You are correct, in the fact that the amps sims sound similar using the same IR. However the same can be said for real amps as well. Using the same speaker cab, most amps will sound very similar to each other. However this is where things differ and I'm going to use the Neural plug-ins as an example. Fortin Cali has more fizz in its top end than Granophyre or Gojira and seems a bit more violent. The Granophyre is a bit smoother but has more low end than either Cali or Gojira. Gojira is more balanced in its tone than either Grano or Cali. So yes IRs contribute to the tone, but even if you put each of those three amps I mentioned at 12, use the same guitar with the same pickups, they will react differently to each other. Just like a real amp and speaker.
Great thought out demo man. I'm an IR convert as of just last year. I do love amp sims because of the cool UI graphics haha. I think emissary sounds the worst here and gojira sounds the best.
Thanks for the compliment! I switch between being an IR convert and amp sim convert. But mostly the switch in regards of amp sims is just because the Fortin Cali lacks a delay/Reverb section otherwise it would be perfect in every sense!
wassup dawg, so yeah man, like I got all the IRs free from some Russian pirate bay, 136GB, tested most Marshalls with greenbacks etc in Nameless, Cali etc etc, I can confirm the heads sound allot different based on sustain, the tone...you nailed it, they sound alike, all but Howard Benson by STL, he combined marshall and wizard cabinets...making brutal tight mode Marshall plexi sound, at first I thought its as normal, then I added a ds1 pedal and it screamed...yet tight UNLIKE the rest of the BS. So taking the STL Howard Benson and adding other IRs I still got that tight amp with those cabinets, but I still prefer Wizard cabinets and maybe Jens Brogen downtuned rhythm...just a few..
If you use the stock impulses from the amp sim you’ll probably notice a bigger difference. I like to use the stock impulses in neural Dsp because to me sounds the most real and full. He’s right though, if you use an IR loader you might as well just pick one amp sim you love to use and know how to tone stack because it’s like using an actual amp. Changing out the head won’t make a big difference but changing the cab makes a night and day difference.
Neural's sound actually noticeably better than the rest. I would say that you will be totally covered with one of the Archetypes or one of the Fortin to get most of the tones people might need. I would rank them, in the context of this video: Cali Gojira Omega/STL, sort of equal in quality Nalex Tourmafrost Emissary
Very interesting! I do agree that the NeuralDSP has a more finessed touch to them - the question is, if it's worth the price. In my personal opinion as a avid user/player of these plugins I would say yes, since I play regularly via these plugins and I need "dem feelz". But do they matter to somebody producing music and just wants to dial in a kickass guitar sound? Then stuff like the Nalex Ninja (or for a matter of fact one of all the awesome free plugins available) as well as investing in a set of good impulse responses might be a better choice.
@@PippPriss I believe that there's no need to get all Neural Plugins. That would be too expensive and returns way diminished. If STL is working on subscriptions, then that's even more expensive. You might have forgot to include ML Soundlab. Fluff is probably the only one who's close to be a competitor to Neural in quality and price.
@@ItsNotaTuhmah I never got any decent tone out of Amped Roots, but the problem being definitely me, not the plugin. Also, ML Soundlabs amp Sims tend to behave strange as soon as you mess with the pots, at least that's my feeling. And on the Neural DSP stuff I agree, I guess the most flexible is Gojira currently, followed by Nolly and Plini. STL is on the long run more expensive due to subscription, but they add a new amp each month, so that's cool.
@@PippPriss I agree that ML's knobs are way too sensitive and the few presets on them are terrible haha. They can sound great but need some serious exploration of each amp. The 5034 and Friedman are really good. About Neural, I believe that Nolly can actually do like 95% of things that Gojira does. The 3rd amp on both is quite similar.
Good job man! I liked the video, it's great to see new RUclipsrs out there plugging away and making good progress (it shows that your first videos were like 8 years ago but the more recent content I mean). Editing is really good, quality of audio and video is also really good, keep at it and you'll get to 1000 subs in no time. Keep up the quality content! Check out SilentScreamsStudios, Lee Armitage, Brian Bower, there's a bunch of other guys working in the same space and doing some of the same things. Cheers!
Thanks so much for your nice words! I am trying quite hard to deliver the content which I also would click myself and find interesting, so I really appreciate that. I already am subscribed to a good bunch of the ones you mentioned and connected via Facebook in groups and stuff. One to point out which you haven't mentioned is resington - Graham delivers awesome content and his videos encouraged me to also join the YT-Game ;-)
Definitely only really worth getting one or two at the most because of the potentials they have moreso than the default sound. The Omega has some really damn good sounds and multiple in terms of high gain that are also different to most others, Gojira just has so much in the plugin itself.
First of all, great vid as always. I watched this when it came out but didn't put my hat in the ring lol. Tldr for me is that while Neural is hyped to death, there is a bit of a reason for that. They do sound quite good and ful. They are pro plugins that bring the goods. The price? Well I won't debate all that because there are many things that are dirt cheap that work great and spendy things that should be discounted. NDSP rides that line and they know it. Musings if you're bored and wanna keep reading: When I test sims out these days, I look for how they treat harmonics and low tuned stuff. There are some sims that have a very rounded sound with harmonics. It's smooth and very shiny if that makes sense. Others have this sort of broken, almost fuzz approach to them. So perhaps Nalex will have a smooth crushing tone where Neural Omega will have a more complex and broken up waveform. As always, the IR makes up the end shape of the tone and what people hear. In this I dug Gojira the most. Cheers PS: I've been playing with Vadim's / Vtar amps plugins of the Cali and Raven (cali amp) etc and they are so damn good. Gonna buy all those soon as I've just been playing with the demos. They have the rich complexity like NDSP and only the amp. Sometimes I don't need a full amp cab and EQ suite because I like to work modular style. And also no Ilock. If NDSP ever ditches Ilock it'll be a good day. haha
First off great vid and I always knew this to be true as far as IRs shaping most of the sound. Gojira and Granophyre are almost identical in this test.. thinking about picking up Gojira while on sale, overall great sounding amp from what I've heard.
Great comparison and quality content! I think Neural and Vadim's (not only Tourmafrost, Sunnyhornia and Slowrunner included) stuff sounds best. I hear a lot about the "feel" of these amp sims, what are your thoughts on how to measure this "feel" thing? Maybe something related to the initial response or dynamics of the pick attack? About the 3rd cab, I think it's the way Nolly voices the IRs he captures, with some kind of push in the mids while retaining the other ends. Very well done indeed.
Thanks for watching! I guess a lot of the feel to me personally comes from latency and has not very much to do with the sim being used itself but the drivers of the interface. Also, the IR is what brings an amp sim often to life or kills it for me. But actually, I am so stuck in the rabbit hole, I don't really have an opinion on feel - I just enjoy and play, most amp sims have a good feeling to them. ;-) I also change constantly the amp sims, rotating them around and enjoying different aspects which each one of them.
In my setup they really sounded fairly similar, but perhaps I am somewhat tonedeaf. But even if you are fully right, then I think this is a great way to at least find out that in fact NDSP hits it out of the park. Thanks for watching and commenting!
You are right. The amp sims sound the same with the same IR. BUT: You tested metal amps. I promise, a VOX emulation is far from sounding like a HIWATT or a MARSHALL emulation when it comes to clean to crunchy breakup ;). Gave you a thumbs up!
This actually just proved to me that Amp Sims DO matter. Fortin and Gojira sound fantastic for example. Full, thick tones. Ninja and Emissary sounded not so great. Emaciated with over-emphasized mids. Great comparison!
It's great that you came to that conclusion. I do admit the title is a bit of clickbait. But for playback purposes in full mixes, I guess you quickly reach a point of diminishing returns. I personally dig AmpHub from STL Tones since quite a while.
Let's do a thought experiment Suppose we test many different Amps and Cabs By playing a pure 440hz signal as the input They will all sound extremely similar. Now suppose we have a test signal that contains 440 Hz and 1000 Hz Again, all amps and cabs will sound very similar. The point I'm trying to make is that almost all metal amps have a very peculiar internal EQ that only lets some frequencies pass through. Also, high gain amps tends to make every signal into a square wave, which is then filtered by the Cab So for high gain, metal sounds, it is easier to deduce that all amps sound similar while the Cab is the major determiner of final tone. Things are very different with low gain sounds where the amp is not converting all inputs into square waves. It would be very educational to have a similar video with low and medium gain amps, or settings , and play some blues, pop, rock. I guess the findings will be that the Amp and Cabs both share an important part in shaping the final tone for low and medium gain tones.
A valid point which I can share 100% percent from technical standpoint. Also, nearly all High gain amplifiers have a fairly similar technology based upon them - it's gain staging one way or the other. When we look at circuits of clean amplifiers, then we mostly also will have lesser components and more individual circuits, so there is more headroom to play around to get some vastly different tones. Also, the filters can be designed totally different, because on clean sounds, the frequency range of what sounds appealing to our ears is higher. That all said, I totally suck at clean and crunch sounds, and most plugin users tend to be all about dem chugs, which is why I think that lesson to learn here can be that not only the amp sim is important, but the choice of impulses is very important as well to shape "your" tone! Thanks for watching and contributing to the discussion!
Yep...that's 100% true. High gain amps do sound similar, there's a very little difference between them. In the real world of tube amps, the cabinets are making the biggest difference. For anyone interested, Kristian Kohle does a guitar/cab/mic shooutout and explains why, and demonstrates how much of a difference the cabinet makes when recording and mixing guitar tone. Here's the video ruclips.net/video/bjqs7tXnMm0/видео.html
They all sound so 'honky' in the mid section. theres some frequency around 600-1khz that is rather annoying to hear, its in all of them . i notice this problem a lot with amp sims, im not sure why its so prevalent
Amplex is amazing, in general Nalex stuff is a great "bang for the buck" (for free you can't complain?!). But in all seriousness, the Ninja is amazing as well!
I did not think that I would say this but I think there is a difference, enough to just switch amps IF it is the easier way to find something more suitable. BUT 1. I would not buy amp sims since the free ones from Fluff, Stevie T, etc. are good enough and the cab IR is 100 times more importang.
Nah people, don't be fooled... the IR's provide the final color, and maybe the 60% of the guitar tone, but the amp is real important too... if you don't beliveme try and prove by yourselfers, I did and I find the best ones are Neural DSP, and for my particularly mix, Fortin Nameless was the winner.
The main point of the video, combined with a slightly clickbaity title, was to not show that the amp does not matter, but rather if you have a decent amp sim, maybe the first place to invest are IRs. Me myself, I am an absolute amp sim horder, so I pledge guilty myself, but actually I should spend more time focussing on playing and using what I bought instead of looking for the next rave ;-)
So the moral of the story is: use the Gojira IR with the Gojira amp!?! Everything else sounds crap which I suppose is where mixing comes into play ... something I know nothing about.
there is a different felling from all the amps. The free ones actually sounded bad here no matter the ir. The gojira and the granophyre did it for me. And as for. the debate is it worth the price, it sure is. They do 50% off sales these days so they are affordable for most people these days. Also if you buy one and think that you are not. happy with it it is very easy. to Sell neural plugins second and recover a part of the cost. So its an investment and a good one too.
Yes, they technically do sound different. The narrative is rather that they sound still fairly similar and your money is sometimes better spent in other stuff than yet another simulation. But I cannot judge on this, as I am guilty myself for hoarding amp sims
I am not sure if you watched the video or assuming something based on the title - of course there will be differences and I never neglected that. The core question is if these differences justify the versatility and purchase mentality of hording armadas of plugins for the same type of sound (like I am guilty of myself). Of course, diversity is cool and that, but it also distracts you from what you shall be doing actually - playing music. And it's lighter on the wallet to not go down the rabbit hole as well.
@@PippPriss i see what you mean. Sorry to come across that way. In regards to metal? Sure. Just get one really good suite and stop chasing. I agree 100% Unfortunately... I dont play metal so its a matter of finding that amp that sounds more authentic and less like a clipping plugin lol
I agree to your initial statement, but I suck at those type of tones. I am unfortunately a one trick pony. So somebody else is better to be asked in regard of clean tones. ;-) anyhow x thanks for watching!
I hear big differences between different amps tho... Yes, you don't need to spend ANY money to get a GREAT guitar tone, but man Neural DSP plugins sound just better.
Fair point, although when I want to go analogue I get out my modded Bugera 6262. Built in a Resonance Mod, changed the Preamp tubes and it serves me wonderfully. Together with my Pedalboard (most important the TS808 DIY as boost) and the Marshall 1960AV 4x12, that's my setup and sound, no need for more. Sims to me are so convenient because I am a PC tech guy, so I anyways hang all day around at my PC, and I am totally in the workflow of using Sims. But of course, the AxeFx3 will rival perhaps any tone you can get nowadays. But so does the Kemper and Quad Cortex, all killer pieces of gear.
@@PippPriss yeah I don't play out or anything I just mess around in my basement from time to time The axfx3 replaced my entire rack consisting of lexicon effects, tube preamps, power amps, ect and all my PA gear and pedals. I'm running it as a primary audio interface with a laptop into a pair of Yamaha hsm50s on the desktop and two headrush FRFR12s hanging from the ceiling 6ft from either side of my listening/playing position. Sounds absolutely amazing. Do you have an email address? I'd like to send you a couple clips of the tones Im getting.
@@justincase9173 I do not post my email publically unfortunately, but if you happen to have RUclips, you will find me in the Honest Amp Sim Reviews User Group, VST Plugins World and other Amp Sim related groups. :-)
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Absolutely correct. I tried it too. But ... I won´t stop buying Amp Sim. And IRs and so on. It makes no sense but it makes me happy. 🤣🤣🤣
It does makes sense. Collecting stuff is fun. I myself use only 1-2 of my amp sims but i have 9. Why? It makes me happy to have those options.
You are correct, in the fact that the amps sims sound similar using the same IR. However the same can be said for real amps as well. Using the same speaker cab, most amps will sound very similar to each other. However this is where things differ and I'm going to use the Neural plug-ins as an example.
Fortin Cali has more fizz in its top end than Granophyre or Gojira and seems a bit more violent. The Granophyre is a bit smoother but has more low end than either Cali or Gojira. Gojira is more balanced in its tone than either Grano or Cali.
So yes IRs contribute to the tone, but even if you put each of those three amps I mentioned at 12, use the same guitar with the same pickups, they will react differently to each other. Just like a real amp and speaker.
Great thought out demo man. I'm an IR convert as of just last year. I do love amp sims because of the cool UI graphics haha. I think emissary sounds the worst here and gojira sounds the best.
Thanks for the compliment! I switch between being an IR convert and amp sim convert. But mostly the switch in regards of amp sims is just because the Fortin Cali lacks a delay/Reverb section otherwise it would be perfect in every sense!
also thx so much for the chapterized vid. It's easy to lose track in these comparisons so that helps a lot. 🎸🍻🍻
awesome video.. was wondering the same myself. made me wanna dive more into the world of IRs
Do that! If you are interested, I have a video on my channel where I made some IRs, go grab 'em!
wassup dawg, so yeah man, like I got all the IRs free from some Russian pirate bay, 136GB, tested most Marshalls with greenbacks etc in Nameless, Cali etc etc, I can confirm the heads sound allot different based on sustain, the tone...you nailed it, they sound alike, all but Howard Benson by STL, he combined marshall and wizard cabinets...making brutal tight mode Marshall plexi sound, at first I thought its as normal, then I added a ds1 pedal and it screamed...yet tight UNLIKE the rest of the BS.
So taking the STL Howard Benson and adding other IRs I still got that tight amp with those cabinets, but I still prefer Wizard cabinets and maybe Jens Brogen downtuned rhythm...just a few..
If you use the stock impulses from the amp sim you’ll probably notice a bigger difference. I like to use the stock impulses in neural Dsp because to me sounds the most real and full. He’s right though, if you use an IR loader you might as well just pick one amp sim you love to use and know how to tone stack because it’s like using an actual amp. Changing out the head won’t make a big difference but changing the cab makes a night and day difference.
Nice video man! So all that said what are your favorite IRs? I have STL Nadir and use it a lot. Are there other free IRs you are coming excited about?
Thank you man. Deep down I know this, but how soon I forget. Saved me some coin.
Neural's sound actually noticeably better than the rest. I would say that you will be totally covered with one of the Archetypes or one of the Fortin to get most of the tones people might need.
I would rank them, in the context of this video:
Cali
Gojira
Omega/STL, sort of equal in quality
Nalex
Tourmafrost
Emissary
Very interesting! I do agree that the NeuralDSP has a more finessed touch to them - the question is, if it's worth the price. In my personal opinion as a avid user/player of these plugins I would say yes, since I play regularly via these plugins and I need "dem feelz". But do they matter to somebody producing music and just wants to dial in a kickass guitar sound? Then stuff like the Nalex Ninja (or for a matter of fact one of all the awesome free plugins available) as well as investing in a set of good impulse responses might be a better choice.
@@PippPriss I believe that there's no need to get all Neural Plugins. That would be too expensive and returns way diminished.
If STL is working on subscriptions, then that's even more expensive.
You might have forgot to include ML Soundlab. Fluff is probably the only one who's close to be a competitor to Neural in quality and price.
@@ItsNotaTuhmah I never got any decent tone out of Amped Roots, but the problem being definitely me, not the plugin. Also, ML Soundlabs amp Sims tend to behave strange as soon as you mess with the pots, at least that's my feeling.
And on the Neural DSP stuff I agree, I guess the most flexible is Gojira currently, followed by Nolly and Plini.
STL is on the long run more expensive due to subscription, but they add a new amp each month, so that's cool.
@@PippPriss I agree that ML's knobs are way too sensitive and the few presets on them are terrible haha. They can sound great but need some serious exploration of each amp. The 5034 and Friedman are really good.
About Neural, I believe that Nolly can actually do like 95% of things that Gojira does. The 3rd amp on both is quite similar.
@filo01xx well if you really want hi quality, yes...
Liked and subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
The biggest takeaway from this comparison is that Tourmafrost is a great sounding amp sim.
I knew about the IR impact already.
Good job man! I liked the video, it's great to see new RUclipsrs out there plugging away and making good progress (it shows that your first videos were like 8 years ago but the more recent content I mean).
Editing is really good, quality of audio and video is also really good, keep at it and you'll get to 1000 subs in no time. Keep up the quality content!
Check out SilentScreamsStudios, Lee Armitage, Brian Bower, there's a bunch of other guys working in the same space and doing some of the same things. Cheers!
Thanks so much for your nice words! I am trying quite hard to deliver the content which I also would click myself and find interesting, so I really appreciate that.
I already am subscribed to a good bunch of the ones you mentioned and connected via Facebook in groups and stuff. One to point out which you haven't mentioned is resington - Graham delivers awesome content and his videos encouraged me to also join the YT-Game ;-)
@@PippPriss Focus on what's important to others and you'll grow your channel :)
Archetype cab x tourmafrost is super crispy
Definitely only really worth getting one or two at the most because of the potentials they have moreso than the default sound. The Omega has some really damn good sounds and multiple in terms of high gain that are also different to most others, Gojira just has so much in the plugin itself.
Cali and Gojira were my favorites. Which one did you guys like the most? :)
In this demo Gojira nails it. They all work great, though. :)
Tourmafrost consistently piqued my attention.
First of all, great vid as always.
I watched this when it came out but didn't put my hat in the ring lol.
Tldr for me is that while Neural is hyped to death, there is a bit of a reason for that. They do sound quite good and ful. They are pro plugins that bring the goods. The price? Well I won't debate all that because there are many things that are dirt cheap that work great and spendy things that should be discounted. NDSP rides that line and they know it.
Musings if you're bored and wanna keep reading:
When I test sims out these days, I look for how they treat harmonics and low tuned stuff. There are some sims that have a very rounded sound with harmonics. It's smooth and very shiny if that makes sense. Others have this sort of broken, almost fuzz approach to them. So perhaps Nalex will have a smooth crushing tone where Neural Omega will have a more complex and broken up waveform.
As always, the IR makes up the end shape of the tone and what people hear. In this I dug Gojira the most.
Cheers
PS: I've been playing with Vadim's / Vtar amps plugins of the Cali and Raven (cali amp) etc and they are so damn good. Gonna buy all those soon as I've just been playing with the demos. They have the rich complexity like NDSP and only the amp. Sometimes I don't need a full amp cab and EQ suite because I like to work modular style. And also no Ilock. If NDSP ever ditches Ilock it'll be a good day. haha
First off great vid and I always knew this to be true as far as IRs shaping most of the sound. Gojira and Granophyre are almost identical in this test.. thinking about picking up Gojira while on sale, overall great sounding amp from what I've heard.
The tone is in the fingers and the "voicing" of the cab (or IR)
Great comparison and quality content! I think Neural and Vadim's (not only Tourmafrost, Sunnyhornia and Slowrunner included) stuff sounds best. I hear a lot about the "feel" of these amp sims, what are your thoughts on how to measure this "feel" thing? Maybe something related to the initial response or dynamics of the pick attack?
About the 3rd cab, I think it's the way Nolly voices the IRs he captures, with some kind of push in the mids while retaining the other ends. Very well done indeed.
Thanks for watching! I guess a lot of the feel to me personally comes from latency and has not very much to do with the sim being used itself but the drivers of the interface. Also, the IR is what brings an amp sim often to life or kills it for me. But actually, I am so stuck in the rabbit hole, I don't really have an opinion on feel - I just enjoy and play, most amp sims have a good feeling to them. ;-) I also change constantly the amp sims, rotating them around and enjoying different aspects which each one of them.
They soud slightly different hearing here trough monitors, but its pretty close
All I know is that if I hear that riff one more time i'm gonna jump out the window! 🥴
Well, this video shows something different than intended. Neural plugins sound signifinantly better than the others, with the same IR
In my setup they really sounded fairly similar, but perhaps I am somewhat tonedeaf. But even if you are fully right, then I think this is a great way to at least find out that in fact NDSP hits it out of the park.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
You are right. The amp sims sound the same with the same IR. BUT: You tested metal amps. I promise, a VOX emulation is far from sounding like a HIWATT or a MARSHALL emulation when it comes to clean to crunchy breakup ;). Gave you a thumbs up!
are you using a inpulse response
This actually just proved to me that Amp Sims DO matter. Fortin and Gojira sound fantastic for example. Full, thick tones. Ninja and Emissary sounded not so great. Emaciated with over-emphasized mids. Great comparison!
Yeah, I would have said the same almost: Fortin and Tourmafrost, crappy ones: Ninja and Emissary.
It's great that you came to that conclusion. I do admit the title is a bit of clickbait. But for playback purposes in full mixes, I guess you quickly reach a point of diminishing returns. I personally dig AmpHub from STL Tones since quite a while.
Let's do a thought experiment
Suppose we test many different Amps and Cabs
By playing a pure 440hz signal as the input
They will all sound extremely similar.
Now suppose we have a test signal that contains 440 Hz and 1000 Hz
Again, all amps and cabs will sound very similar.
The point I'm trying to make is that almost all metal amps have a very peculiar internal EQ that only lets some frequencies pass through.
Also, high gain amps tends to make every signal into a square wave, which is then filtered by the Cab
So for high gain, metal sounds, it is easier to deduce that all amps sound similar while the Cab is the major determiner of final tone.
Things are very different with low gain sounds where the amp is not converting all inputs into square waves.
It would be very educational to have a similar video with low and medium gain amps, or settings , and play some blues, pop, rock. I guess the findings will be that the Amp and Cabs both share an important part in shaping the final tone for low and medium gain tones.
A valid point which I can share 100% percent from technical standpoint. Also, nearly all High gain amplifiers have a fairly similar technology based upon them - it's gain staging one way or the other. When we look at circuits of clean amplifiers, then we mostly also will have lesser components and more individual circuits, so there is more headroom to play around to get some vastly different tones. Also, the filters can be designed totally different, because on clean sounds, the frequency range of what sounds appealing to our ears is higher.
That all said, I totally suck at clean and crunch sounds, and most plugin users tend to be all about dem chugs, which is why I think that lesson to learn here can be that not only the amp sim is important, but the choice of impulses is very important as well to shape "your" tone! Thanks for watching and contributing to the discussion!
The cab is 80% of the finel tone, the amp sim effecting also the bite and eq setting but the cab is what we should look after :)
The sound of Stl is amazing
Yep...that's 100% true. High gain amps do sound similar, there's a very little difference between them. In the real world of tube amps, the cabinets are making the biggest difference.
For anyone interested, Kristian Kohle does a guitar/cab/mic shooutout and explains why, and demonstrates how much of a difference the cabinet makes when recording and mixing guitar tone.
Here's the video ruclips.net/video/bjqs7tXnMm0/видео.html
Same thing happens with most physical metal tube amps played through the same cab+mic :p
They all sound so 'honky' in the mid section. theres some frequency around 600-1khz that is rather annoying to hear, its in all of them . i notice this problem a lot with amp sims, im not sure why its so prevalent
There's a free amp sim called amplex by nalex its the only one I've found that sounds good to me I use jens bolgren ir's
Amplex is amazing, in general Nalex stuff is a great "bang for the buck" (for free you can't complain?!). But in all seriousness, the Ninja is amazing as well!
I did not think that I would say this but I think there is a difference, enough to just switch amps IF it is the easier way to find something more suitable. BUT 1. I would not buy amp sims since the free ones from Fluff, Stevie T, etc. are good enough and the cab IR is 100 times more importang.
Nah people, don't be fooled... the IR's provide the final color, and maybe the 60% of the guitar tone, but the amp is real important too... if you don't beliveme try and prove by yourselfers, I did and I find the best ones are Neural DSP, and for my particularly mix, Fortin Nameless was the winner.
The main point of the video, combined with a slightly clickbaity title, was to not show that the amp does not matter, but rather if you have a decent amp sim, maybe the first place to invest are IRs. Me myself, I am an absolute amp sim horder, so I pledge guilty myself, but actually I should spend more time focussing on playing and using what I bought instead of looking for the next rave ;-)
I played on the fortin cali on the real head its totally different through live and different through pc sim
Would love to play a real Fortin Cali! Nobody is jealous over here! :-p
Nice video man. Ya I own everything man. I have 10GB of damn impulses. I d enjoy ownhammer, Celestion, seacow cabs, and choptones are my favorites
So the moral of the story is: use the Gojira IR with the Gojira amp!?! Everything else sounds crap which I suppose is where mixing comes into play ... something I know nothing about.
right on the money :)
there is a different felling from all the amps. The free ones actually sounded bad here no matter the ir. The gojira and the granophyre did it for me. And as for. the debate is it worth the price, it sure is. They do 50% off sales these days so they are affordable for most people these days. Also if you buy one and think that you are not. happy with it it is very easy. to Sell neural plugins second and recover a part of the cost. So its an investment and a good one too.
all sounds different. one thing you missed - PA emulation. stl and nalex need Z-curve IR
Yes, they technically do sound different. The narrative is rather that they sound still fairly similar and your money is sometimes better spent in other stuff than yet another simulation. But I cannot judge on this, as I am guilty myself for hoarding amp sims
I dont know how you can't hear the difference in mids and low end. I can just listening on my phone
I am not sure if you watched the video or assuming something based on the title - of course there will be differences and I never neglected that. The core question is if these differences justify the versatility and purchase mentality of hording armadas of plugins for the same type of sound (like I am guilty of myself). Of course, diversity is cool and that, but it also distracts you from what you shall be doing actually - playing music.
And it's lighter on the wallet to not go down the rabbit hole as well.
@@PippPriss i see what you mean. Sorry to come across that way.
In regards to metal? Sure. Just get one really good suite and stop chasing. I agree 100%
Unfortunately... I dont play metal so its a matter of finding that amp that sounds more authentic and less like a clipping plugin lol
Try some John Mayer or SRV tones. For me, rock/metal sounds are pretty similar in digital amp modelling world, & easier to tweak also.
I agree to your initial statement, but I suck at those type of tones. I am unfortunately a one trick pony. So somebody else is better to be asked in regard of clean tones. ;-) anyhow x thanks for watching!
Direkt mal einen Kommentar für den Algorithmus da lassen. Meddl!
I hear big differences between different amps tho...
Yes, you don't need to spend ANY money to get a GREAT guitar tone, but man Neural DSP plugins sound just better.
Not really.
ruclips.net/video/R9UTtJHfLU8/видео.html&ab_channel=NickLeonard
Fortin...top
90 % is the audio interface quality ,i use Apogee Element 88 ,sounds great on every software
Nah
Get a fractal AxeFx3...you will ditch the sims. I did.
Fair point, although when I want to go analogue I get out my modded Bugera 6262. Built in a Resonance Mod, changed the Preamp tubes and it serves me wonderfully. Together with my Pedalboard (most important the TS808 DIY as boost) and the Marshall 1960AV 4x12, that's my setup and sound, no need for more.
Sims to me are so convenient because I am a PC tech guy, so I anyways hang all day around at my PC, and I am totally in the workflow of using Sims.
But of course, the AxeFx3 will rival perhaps any tone you can get nowadays. But so does the Kemper and Quad Cortex, all killer pieces of gear.
@@PippPriss yeah I don't play out or anything I just mess around in my basement from time to time The axfx3 replaced my entire rack consisting of lexicon effects, tube preamps, power amps, ect and all my PA gear and pedals. I'm running it as a primary audio interface with a laptop into a pair of Yamaha hsm50s on the desktop and two headrush FRFR12s hanging from the ceiling 6ft from either side of my listening/playing position. Sounds absolutely amazing. Do you have an email address? I'd like to send you a couple clips of the tones Im getting.
@@justincase9173 I do not post my email publically unfortunately, but if you happen to have RUclips, you will find me in the Honest Amp Sim Reviews User Group, VST Plugins World and other Amp Sim related groups. :-)