I bought a watch off Nate in a Facebook group, not even realizing he was the owner of cicio, what a stand up humble dude, who does life the right way!! I laughed about it after and asked him hey are you the owner of cicio, spoke about another passion we shared besides watches, vouch for everything he does, even selling watches lol
Best interview yet!!! Hands down!!! If you don't listen to this interview with an open mind and every shop stops fighting, this industry won't survive. When keeping it real, this is the interview to listen to!! After this I only would want to take my cars here and only here. Customer service comes first not the car. Every single car breaks!!! Everyone's stock car also breaks but what dealerships or mechanic shops has the best customer service and then you only take it there just like getting your hair cut, done, etc . He hits so many points and facts!! Best interview 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Man Nathan is a class act. Love that he sees it the way he does - the pie is plenty big. Help people within reason, value your customer’s experience and build relationships.
I know Cicio personally, worked with him for years, and he is a top notch crazy obsessed person always doing the best job possible and doing things the right way. His team is amazing and very much the same. His attitude and non stop learning really shows in his results and success. He’s a true leader and inspires me all the time. I love seeing good people succeed.
Cicio performance built my buddies GTR after someone else had screwed it up, and after Cicio got their hands on the car, it was an absolute animal and just worked. If I had a platform they worked on, it would definitely go to them. Great interview, guys!
Yes folks need an actual definition of what each map does as Cicio said each map could be same timing and boost just different traction settings so saying map 5 out of 9 means zero 💀
@@AaronJones-bt1ye facts Aaron I think Cicio should expand to other markets pretty level headed guy seems to care about the customer service experience we need more of that in this industry
Cicio is the best in the business, hands down! If they were located in the midwest, I would never even contemplate getting out of the car scene but unfortunately untrustworthy, money grabbing, lying shops have forced me to walk away, even though cars are my passion
Great interview and podcast Tukes. Keep up the great work. Cicio performance is a solid company all around. I’m proud to have my car built by them. Great folks that truly know what they are doing.
There’s nothing more refreshing than a successful businessman that has no problem, or shame saying these three words. “I DON’T KNOW”. Saying it not just sometime, but every time he truly doesn’t know. That’s called honesty. Which in turn’s someone who you can be assured’s filled with both genuine care, and humility. That’s that man Nathan Cicio. For real. I’d love nothing more than to have He, and his shop of professional enthusiasts build me a car someday. I’m a BMW guy, and by the sounds of it they like the V10’s. I wonder how they’d respond to an S85 BMW E30 build!
The buisness side was interesting and I'm glad there is shops out there with that mindset. Some shops have a name and 1 fast car you see a couple times a year and never hear from otherwise. Great listen 🤙
This dude is great. I’ve worked for many shops and they suck at running it like a business. I would love to work this man. He knows how to get things now
Hearing that people don’t understand map switching to the extent that they think say map one is slower than 3 is ridiculous. It’s just a name for the map it doesn’t designate speed, power, etc.
Dope interview as well as the vic one. I've noticed you always seem intrigued when people mentioned dsm's. It makes sense now since your best friend has one and you guys have been trying to get it running. Almost all the original shops that worked on the platform on the island have moved on and even bigger companies like AMS which got its' start in business with the platform no longer support it. I no longer work on the platform as much as i used to. But if you need a hand to get it going and some advice i can give a hand. I'm local and live in suffolk
Excellent vision, a happy customer with a built car will continue to build cars for the rest of their lives. Moving platforms and moving builders and tuners
The reason why the map thing isn’t discussed is because for the most part, people do it the way most people think they do… the higher the map, the more power…. Like 95% of the time. C’mon
As a lifelong BMW guy who grew up with friends who started with Hondas, and then grew into BMW’s and way beyond. It’s truly all the same. Fast forward twenty years now. One of my original Honda buddies who now owns a shop and races Ferrari cup cars, but also works on literally everything from Unimogs, Lambos, and everything in between had said it best. I asked him the exact same question Nate was asked about mid interview. He replied almost identically to him. Paraphrasing of course by saying, “dude at the end of the day people are just intimidated and don’t want to step out of their comfort zone of what they know. Whether it be the status of the car, its prestige, and or the potential cost of putting their hands on them”. Furthermore, he exclaimed saying “In reality when fully building, blowing up, and tearing down a twin turbo 911 for example’s no different than doing the same with a k20, and once you’ve done it 100 times over it’s the same thing no matter what the car or engine you’re doing it to is”. In retrospect he simply said a car is a car, an engine is an engine, and that they’re all mechanical. Every last one of them function’s in a near identical fashion. Things are just put together and assembled differently and they’re just built by different people in different countries. You learn through the experience of not being afraid, trial n’ error, owning your mistakes, and not giving up. If you want it bad enough you’ll figure it out, and it’ll happen for you no matter what. It’s up to you on whether, or not you want to take what’s for the taking. Only you can hold yourself back in this industry. This example pretty much applies to every area of everyone’s life when seeking something better and more advance than what they already comfortably know.
I’m not a cicio customer but have only heard fantastic things about their service. This podcast title should be “2 hours of Nathan cicio spitting straight facts”
He is 100 per cent correct. I've been running my own shop for the last 12 years, and im not going to lie. Calling back isn't my atrong point. But there is just so much to the automotive and perfornabce industry that it's simply not liable to be on top of all aspects in this industry
Listening to the term we should help each-other out as a shop help fixing problems works if all shops spend the time to learn! But shops pop up all the time, and teaching a new shop how to set up a car with years of learning and spending money on a shop car, and the employees learning that work there and leave to open there shop to build the same car, just doesn’t work or even workers building cars at home with customers shop owners, worked to get in the door, what I’m saying is it’s not just the big 5 shops it’s the ppl really building these cars cheaper to make more money to build there own cars that create issues, as a shop owner for 35 years I’ve seen it I’ve lived it and it never works out sharing what you learn with other shops, as buying the car for the shop spending money to learn the platform and having a worker steel you set up and build it at home with no overhead hurts the shops .. my 2 cents
I’ve been saying this for years. Way to many high school age boys in the comments of the “map 5” posts, as the person proceeds to race half powered cars with a self proclaimed “street king” pat on the back with their “undefeated” title and the only real competition they’ve seen is themselves on a dragy setting records. Gotta love seeing dragy records posted but they can’t put up a real number at any event on prep 👀 (not referencing Cicio)
Honestly i love the business talk. i own a detail buisness gleamingson autodetailing. This is very interesting and helpful. Also tukks your videos are amazing man!!! Ive learned so much listening. Thank you.
Please bring on Hank iroz in Las Vegas for the Daza community you’ve brought out the b58 S58 guys mpowerhouse let the Daza community get some love too 😂
He is 💯 correct when it he speaks about making 💴. There are other businesses that have better returns on investment other than the automotive industry.
To solve the "Slingshot" problem @ TX2K etc..... they should install TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) on every participant's car and if it goes more than 50% or 40% before the green light, its DQ aka RED light! 🤷
this is a very very good minset of..help the car guys compared to.. i need this customer to come to me. exactly the same when you pull up at the lights and someone has the same car built...why be cocky and an asshole..you obviously share the same passion and ran into someone else that also does it..thats called meeting friends nor making enemies. This man has a much better view on the market. help eachother to grow together.
Next, use your platform to get us a track in tri state again. Having to go to Island or Cecil is criminal… there 200 drag cars sitting parked or for sale in tri state or in process of moving to Florida cause of no tracks
Fact it’s actually sad to see all the tracks close up in the tristate everyone is taking it to the street and they shouldn’t have to travel to island just to make a pass or test or get some type of data
One option that might sound crazy try to get as many car people to buy land around a drag strip or a track in order to preserve it. There are a lot of car people with a lot of money, an acre out by a drag strip usually is usually around 40k. It helps preserve the culture around a drag strip and they can counter any arguments at the town hall. Porsche clubs america, mustang owners clubs, Corvette owners clubs,Camaro clubs, mercedes clubs, SCcca, NASA , bmw owners clubs, should all be pushing members to buy land near the strip or track. I know it seems like a lot of work, but you should get in touch with them to try to coordinate something.
30 mins in and all the man’s said is everyone should help everyone and not make any money whilst sitting over a million deep in an r8 with a 20k watch on 😅 yep looks like he might be breaking even from them 4 shops
Wanted to add to this-when he’s saying you can’t make great money in this industry… maybe you’re not all that great at business and setting up partnerships with companies that you work with to get better deals. He really just kept repeating himself
I’m sure this dude is doing well, but I think he’s saying the high performance car industry is a difficult industry to make money in. It not that he doesn’t make money, but the time and effort that they put in doesn’t equal the pay in a different industry.
@@joe_okhman When? The only thing he remotely talks about that COULD apply to UGR is racing and having the fastest cars and talking shit. Outside of the UGR is the standard. Cicio is cool with UGR on the private fb group.
33:08 the only reason the industry wouldn’t exist in 20 to 30 years is if climate change is at a catastrophic levels. And trust me, at that point we’re not gonna be worried about cars. But if we do exactly what he’s talking about, and link arms, and try to save the planet while growing the industry, then you have the best of both worlds and you can still have petrol engines.
UGR did it first much respect to Cicio but UGR has some badass streetcars not a fan of KC & a lot of those dudes but those cars are ridiculous on & off the street
When he is talking about needing to crack the ECU/TCU, why aren't they running stand alones? Honest question, I run my 3 cars on stand alones but they are all 90's Japanese cars.
All these cars have integrated systems that need to work with each other for all the features to work properly. As he has mentioned these are all street cars and every amenity works on them. Going with standalone will not properly work with the rest of the car. If you building a full on race car then that’s a different story, where your stereo and climate control doesn’t need to work or even be present.
@@phillie9284 Understood. I figured and just wanted confirmation. I know current ECU's are getting better and better and re-flashing has been more common. Wasn't sure if this was what they were trying to accomplish. Appreciate the response!
Different V10 here but all of Nth Motos built engine cars (which is most) are all on a stand alone MoTeC ECUs and have full factory functionality and then some.
@96gaiden Modern ECUs control everything so replacing with a standalone is a huge task. A 1990s ecu mostly controls the engine. Modern cars have thousands of modules etc You could be spending years trying to reverse engineer n create all the same functionality as an oem ecu on a standalone
I bought a watch off Nate in a Facebook group, not even realizing he was the owner of cicio, what a stand up humble dude, who does life the right way!! I laughed about it after and asked him hey are you the owner of cicio, spoke about another passion we shared besides watches, vouch for everything he does, even selling watches lol
This dude is easily the most respectable guy that's been on the show. We need more of this kind of dude in this world
Best interview yet!!! Hands down!!! If you don't listen to this interview with an open mind and every shop stops fighting, this industry won't survive. When keeping it real, this is the interview to listen to!! After this I only would want to take my cars here and only here. Customer service comes first not the car. Every single car breaks!!! Everyone's stock car also breaks but what dealerships or mechanic shops has the best customer service and then you only take it there just like getting your hair cut, done, etc . He hits so many points and facts!! Best interview 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
i actually enjoyed the beginning with all the talk abt the business and politics side of the industry
Man Nathan is a class act. Love that he sees it the way he does - the pie is plenty big. Help people within reason, value your customer’s experience and build relationships.
One of the best explained podcast. For all the up and coming Racers.
I know Cicio personally, worked with him for years, and he is a top notch crazy obsessed person always doing the best job possible and doing things the right way. His team is amazing and very much the same. His attitude and non stop learning really shows in his results and success. He’s a true leader and inspires me all the time. I love seeing good people succeed.
Cicio performance built my buddies GTR after someone else had screwed it up, and after Cicio got their hands on the car, it was an absolute animal and just worked. If I had a platform they worked on, it would definitely go to them. Great interview, guys!
He’s speaking facts about shops flirting with insolvency month to month.
Shops need to learn from this guy. This is how shops supposed to be run than robbing peter to pay paul and taking 2 years to build a damn car.
What does map 5 even mean…. Nothing 😂😂😂 …pretty good interview
Yes folks need an actual definition of what each map does as Cicio said each map could be same timing and boost just different traction settings so saying map 5 out of 9 means zero 💀
@@AaronJones-bt1ye facts Aaron I think Cicio should expand to other markets pretty level headed guy seems to care about the customer service experience we need more of that in this industry
@@AaronJones-bt1yenobody is that dumb to think that’s it. We all know a higher map means more power.
Cicio is the best in the business, hands down! If they were located in the midwest, I would never even contemplate getting out of the car scene but unfortunately untrustworthy, money grabbing, lying shops have forced me to walk away, even though cars are my passion
Awesome interview
T1 next please 🙏
Great interview and podcast Tukes. Keep up the great work. Cicio performance is a solid company all around. I’m proud to have my car built by them. Great folks that truly know what they are doing.
There’s nothing more refreshing than a successful businessman that has no problem, or shame saying these three words. “I DON’T KNOW”. Saying it not just sometime, but every time he truly doesn’t know. That’s called honesty. Which in turn’s someone who you can be assured’s filled with both genuine care, and humility. That’s that man Nathan Cicio. For real. I’d love nothing more than to have He, and his shop of professional enthusiasts build me a car someday. I’m a BMW guy, and by the sounds of it they like the V10’s. I wonder how they’d respond to an S85 BMW E30 build!
Love this episode. Solid genuine guy. Told it how it is and the praise he gives his crew, team and partners is golden.
Wow, never thought Nathan would be such a normal and humble dude. Awesome guy!
That was a long detailed answer on what set them apart but makes so much sense. Good job to you guys at Cicio Performance!
Great mentality of owning a shop, would love that to be the standard, not the exception.
The buisness side was interesting and I'm glad there is shops out there with that mindset. Some shops have a name and 1 fast car you see a couple times a year and never hear from otherwise. Great listen 🤙
This dude is great. I’ve worked for many shops and they suck at running it like a business. I would love to work this man. He knows how to get things now
Hearing that people don’t understand map switching to the extent that they think say map one is slower than 3 is ridiculous. It’s just a name for the map it doesn’t designate speed, power, etc.
Yeah it's really not that difficult to understand, idk why people choose to die on that hill
This man is spot on we need more like him
Great interview. I love this dudes perspective and drama in the modern car industry.
Street Alpha> Go Soft
Very nice video from the guest. Really enjoy these.
Dope interview as well as the vic one. I've noticed you always seem intrigued when people mentioned dsm's. It makes sense now since your best friend has one and you guys have been trying to get it running. Almost all the original shops that worked on the platform on the island have moved on and even bigger companies like AMS which got its' start in business with the platform no longer support it. I no longer work on the platform as much as i used to. But if you need a hand to get it going and some advice i can give a hand. I'm local and live in suffolk
Nathan has so much knowledge and experience and it shows
Excellent vision, a happy customer with a built car will continue to build cars for the rest of their lives. Moving platforms and moving builders and tuners
The reason why the map thing isn’t discussed is because for the most part, people do it the way most people think they do… the higher the map, the more power…. Like 95% of the time. C’mon
As a lifelong BMW guy who grew up with friends who started with Hondas, and then grew into BMW’s and way beyond. It’s truly all the same. Fast forward twenty years now. One of my original Honda buddies who now owns a shop and races Ferrari cup cars, but also works on literally everything from Unimogs, Lambos, and everything in between had said it best. I asked him the exact same question Nate was asked about mid interview. He replied almost identically to him. Paraphrasing of course by saying, “dude at the end of the day people are just intimidated and don’t want to step out of their comfort zone of what they know. Whether it be the status of the car, its prestige, and or the potential cost of putting their hands on them”. Furthermore, he exclaimed saying “In reality when fully building, blowing up, and tearing down a twin turbo 911 for example’s no different than doing the same with a k20, and once you’ve done it 100 times over it’s the same thing no matter what the car or engine you’re doing it to is”. In retrospect he simply said a car is a car, an engine is an engine, and that they’re all mechanical. Every last one of them function’s in a near identical fashion. Things are just put together and assembled differently and they’re just built by different people in different countries. You learn through the experience of not being afraid, trial n’ error, owning your mistakes, and not giving up. If you want it bad enough you’ll figure it out, and it’ll happen for you no matter what. It’s up to you on whether, or not you want to take what’s for the taking. Only you can hold yourself back in this industry. This example pretty much applies to every area of everyone’s life when seeking something better and more advance than what they already comfortably know.
The Intros are getting better each time 🔥🔥🔥
I’m not a cicio customer but have only heard fantastic things about their service.
This podcast title should be “2 hours of Nathan cicio spitting straight facts”
I heard him say VA at the end, say huh!! 804 in the house. This was an excellent interview.
Great pod and interview!
I love how level headed Nathan is.
Awesome podcast love what you’re doing keep it up. I hope you are able to interview Nth moto or Calvo!
Definitely a refreshing perspective. Great interview.
He is 100 per cent correct. I've been running my own shop for the last 12 years, and im not going to lie. Calling back isn't my atrong point. But there is just so much to the automotive and perfornabce industry that it's simply not liable to be on top of all aspects in this industry
The new intro is dope 🔥
Listening to the term we should help each-other out as a shop help fixing problems works if all shops spend the time to learn! But shops pop up all the time, and teaching a new shop how to set up a car with years of learning and spending money on a shop car, and the employees learning that work there and leave to open there shop to build the same car, just doesn’t work or even workers building cars at home with customers shop owners, worked to get in the door, what I’m saying is it’s not just the big 5 shops it’s the ppl really building these cars cheaper to make more money to build there own cars that create issues, as a shop owner for 35 years I’ve seen it I’ve lived it and it never works out sharing what you learn with other shops, as buying the car for the shop spending money to learn the platform and having a worker steel you set up and build it at home with no overhead hurts the shops .. my 2 cents
Great interview, if only more were like him were the customer comes first in this industry, bullshit he doesn't make good money though.
1 lap of america is a sick event.
Very good interview we need to listen to practice this if we are not
I’ve been saying this for years. Way to many high school age boys in the comments of the “map 5” posts, as the person proceeds to race half powered cars with a self proclaimed “street king” pat on the back with their “undefeated” title and the only real competition they’ve seen is themselves on a dragy setting records.
Gotta love seeing dragy records posted but they can’t put up a real number at any event on prep 👀 (not referencing Cicio)
Bad thing about RUclips is that it’s free and good thing about RUclips is that it’s free.
Honestly i love the business talk. i own a detail buisness gleamingson autodetailing. This is very interesting and helpful. Also tukks your videos are amazing man!!! Ive learned so much listening. Thank you.
How long until your Supra is done?
when are we Getting Underground Racing video?
Cicio Is A G. Hope that’s an Italian Last Name ha.
Please bring on Hank iroz in Las Vegas for the Daza community you’ve brought out the b58 S58 guys mpowerhouse let the Daza community get some love too 😂
He got lesson from last meet. 1scamf30
Daza life
I second this comment
Yessir!!! Been waiting for hank to get his episode
He had 1stockf30 out. Who put on for daza
Can you do one on transmission shops?
Check out Vengeance Racing. You should definitely talk to Ron and his team.
Nathan was great 👍🏽
cicio is a G...calls em like he sees em..
Atlanta ain't hot? Shit literally be 98 degrees. That's hot to me.
Amazing interview!
If Cicio starts doing BMW stuff the market is going to explode with really fast BMW M cars
S58 platform is doing well already too
He is 💯 correct when it he speaks about making 💴. There are other businesses that have better returns on investment other than the automotive industry.
there is a Gm enginner who started a car shop in texas who can tune those c8 transmissions
Great interview!
To solve the "Slingshot" problem @ TX2K etc..... they should install TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) on every participant's car and if it goes more than 50% or 40% before the green light, its DQ aka RED light! 🤷
Yea but then cars can’t brake boost or get on anti lag
This industry will be forever.
This was a great podcast the information was A1
lol how cicio throws shade at the situation he had to deal with Peter from Poland @11:05
I was like, 2.5 hrs no way I'm watching.......
I lied. 😅😂
this is a very very good minset of..help the car guys compared to.. i need this customer to come to me. exactly the same when you pull up at the lights and someone has the same car built...why be cocky and an asshole..you obviously share the same passion and ran into someone else that also does it..thats called meeting friends nor making enemies. This man has a much better view on the market. help eachother to grow together.
Next, use your platform to get us a track in tri state again. Having to go to Island or Cecil is criminal… there 200 drag cars sitting parked or for sale in tri state or in process of moving to Florida cause of no tracks
Fact it’s actually sad to see all the tracks close up in the tristate everyone is taking it to the street and they shouldn’t have to travel to island just to make a pass or test or get some type of data
Not one damn drag strip in Vermont
One option that might sound crazy try to get as many car people to buy land around a drag strip or a track in order to preserve it. There are a lot of car people with a lot of money, an acre out by a drag strip usually is usually around 40k. It helps preserve the culture around a drag strip and they can counter any arguments at the town hall. Porsche clubs america, mustang owners clubs, Corvette owners clubs,Camaro clubs, mercedes clubs, SCcca, NASA , bmw owners clubs, should all be pushing members to buy land near the strip or track. I know it seems like a lot of work, but you should get in touch with them to try to coordinate something.
Where can I watch the whole thing?
30 mins in and all the man’s said is everyone should help everyone and not make any money whilst sitting over a million deep in an r8 with a 20k watch on 😅 yep looks like he might be breaking even from them 4 shops
Exactly
Wanted to add to this-when he’s saying you can’t make great money in this industry… maybe you’re not all that great at business and setting up partnerships with companies that you work with to get better deals.
He really just kept repeating himself
I’m sure this dude is doing well, but I think he’s saying the high performance car industry is a difficult industry to make money in. It not that he doesn’t make money, but the time and effort that they put in doesn’t equal the pay in a different industry.
Hold on hold on I’m in the engine room of the boat I own from not making money owning performance shops
That car doesn’t have a million in it, a lambo maybe but not an R8.
This entire interview was a sales pitch👌 those who know.....know!
Gintani have a machine shop. They pretty much do everything in house too.
At the moment Their engine development is done by Magnus Motorsports in Toronto
Right? Right? Right? RIGHT!
Amazing talk from the guy!
Right?
Chameleon tuning has a just as fast r8 Long Island ftw
And Nobody cares 😂
Please bring UGR
Bring on GLANZER PERFORMANCE HUGE NAME in the LS WORLD
Hello of an intro! Great podcast as usual #AMRY
Lick the boot
He is hinting at underground racing way to much lol😅
how so?
Sheepey*
@@mishaisspeed outsourcing the build
@@mishaisspeedjust listen it's all between the lines
@@joe_okhman When? The only thing he remotely talks about that COULD apply to UGR is racing and having the fastest cars and talking shit. Outside of the UGR is the standard. Cicio is cool with UGR on the private fb group.
We need an interview with the OGs UGR
Exactly
33:08 the only reason the industry wouldn’t exist in 20 to 30 years is if climate change is at a catastrophic levels. And trust me, at that point we’re not gonna be worried about cars. But if we do exactly what he’s talking about, and link arms, and try to save the planet while growing the industry, then you have the best of both worlds and you can still have petrol engines.
Cicio performance always stood out amongst other company’s that dabbled with the same platforms that Green R8 is just gorgeous
UGR did it first much respect to Cicio but UGR has some badass streetcars not a fan of KC & a lot of those dudes but those cars are ridiculous on & off the street
10:00 idk man, calvo is fucking raking in the dough 😂
#AMRY LETS GOOOOO
Slurp slurp slurp slurp
If he did start on the BMW G80, he would be the guy I’d send my car to.
STREET ALPHA DRINKING GAME
Drink everytime the guest mentions "the industry" or "linking arms"
This mf Tukes really killing the whole entire game rn. 🔥
i need a book on how to make my car the most aerodynamic
Nathan is savage 😂
Fact check... The drag coefficient of the R8 is in the 0.3x range. The GTR is 0.26.
You can tell a person who is a manager by the number of “right” you hear
Poor people act like they have money. Rich people act like they don't.... but then say shit like "I spend all my time in the engine room on my boat".
@39:10 we need more business talk
PRODUCT PEOPLE PROCESS fundamentals
Please bring on Demitri from Prime Motoring
Mannn drop the Leeky interview already
When he is talking about needing to crack the ECU/TCU, why aren't they running stand alones? Honest question, I run my 3 cars on stand alones but they are all 90's Japanese cars.
All these cars have integrated systems that need to work with each other for all the features to work properly. As he has mentioned these are all street cars and every amenity works on them. Going with standalone will not properly work with the rest of the car. If you building a full on race car then that’s a different story, where your stereo and climate control doesn’t need to work or even be present.
@@phillie9284 Understood. I figured and just wanted confirmation. I know current ECU's are getting better and better and re-flashing has been more common. Wasn't sure if this was what they were trying to accomplish. Appreciate the response!
Different V10 here but all of Nth Motos built engine cars (which is most) are all on a stand alone MoTeC ECUs and have full factory functionality and then some.
He's talking more about the c8. They were first to crack it
@96gaiden
Modern ECUs control everything so replacing with a standalone is a huge task.
A 1990s ecu mostly controls the engine. Modern cars have thousands of modules etc
You could be spending years trying to reverse engineer n create all the same functionality as an oem ecu on a standalone
Crazy coz i wanted to start a speed shop when i get my shit right...
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