The Mig-29 Is Still Relevant | BVR Vs F-16 Viper | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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We've heard a lot about the Mig-29 in the news lately with the whole Ukraine Russia thing but in this video we want to look and see exactly how relevant the Mig-29 is and if given all of its shortcomings, if it can still be competitive if you play your cards right.
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If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
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Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed the video see you in the next one.
any chance of getting the download link of the battlefiend sountrack :)
Is the MIG-35 available?
F 22 vs Su 47
Would it be possible to do some 2v2 or 4v4 videos like this? I would be very interested to see how tactics change when you have a wingman or in a small flight group.
He made a 3v3 BVR video once
I was literally about to say this. The jousting method isn't accurate and it's not how BVR usually works.
A 4v4 infared and guns only dogfight series would be amazing. I really don't like fights at 20 NM.
id like to see 1 vs 1 vs 1, just for kicks, but dont know if 3 sides are even possible .
@@theaceofspades485 There’s not enough bvr videos in his channel to be honest. Only dogfights.
Heck yeah, lovin some more Mig-29 gameplay. Just got into DCS myself and I’m absolutely loving flying my FC3 Mig! Keep up the good work GS!
I just started playing DCS last week with my best friend who currently in Europe with the Air Force. We're both starting with the Mig-29!
Welcome to the party guys!
What mig 29 would u recommend I’m flying the su27 rn and how dose the mig compare to the su27?
if you start getting into it PROPER make sure to get the fa18
@@K0S9000 I honestly don't know mate, I fly the F-14. I'd like to get I to the SU though.
I feel like the mig-29 has the unfortunate distinction of having old airframes fielded against newer, upgraded fighters. Radar, missiles and avionics (not to mention engines) from the 80s isn't a fault of the design.
If eagle dynamics would upgrade the mig-29 too a mig-29sm that would be great
The Mig-29 is actually not as old as the F-15 Eagle for example.
And the thing is the 80s Tech is STILL very accurate and can knock down any sizable object in the sky, the only issue is short range.
the biggest problem the mig had was always being outnumbered , and not only that its was always an enemy with AWACS,and latest tech, e.g. Yugoslavia & Iraq
@@JazzJaRa the old version of F15 cannot carry A120C-5
The Mig-29 airframe is fantastic, the Soviets have shown frequently that they have a deep understanding of aerodynamics and have produced some impressive aircraft (prototype or series).
Its the systems that let it down, even more so with less trained crew, that will struggle with getting any situational awareness at all.
Not speaking about the capability of the airframe, but the quality of build, back in the '80s I got up close and personal with a Mig 29 at the Abbotsford Airshow. No one was standing anywhere near an un barriered Mig 29 on the ramp (day before the show). I got close enough to stick my head up in the wheel well. I was an aircraft metalworker at the time and looked at the metal work and rivets with a metal workers eye. It was a mess of ill fitting sheet metal, under driven, overdriven, and dumped rivets.
MIG 35 is the upgrade that 29's deserved but far too late.
@@gaiofattos2 But is fatter. The trick would to fit as much as good electronics without dumping the weight ratio to shit.
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus USN TF30 engines were held together with locktite. I had to rebuild seventy three of the bastards because the USN maintenance routine was the equivalent of super gluing pieces of duct tape to a zip tie.
@@KarolusTemplareV dont think its fatter
Love it. Takes me back to the Novalogic days with their battle space for the Mig-29, F-16, and F-22. So much fun. Only one I had was the Mig-29, flew the crap out of it.
Yep Novalogic F-16, Mig-29. Good to see a comment from someone who played those, like me.
I like the Mig 29 and Su 27
You know you're not new here when you feel your chest tighten on hearing "We might be good" in defensive BVR.
Amazing video as always :)
I'm just getting into DCS myself with the Mig-29, your Fulcrum videos have been a huge help for me! Thanks a ton mate, love your work.
I flew mig-29 in competition last year, and found it to be fine against the 16s and 18s
Understanding how complex the grey zone in performance works will yield some surprising results. The fulcrum is much closer to the viper/hornet than people give it credit for.. DCS pilots really suck at moderating themselves which isn't an issue in the hornet/viper since the aircraft will prevent you from over-overpulling (as an example)
That's a very good point! Being able to moderate control inputs can be difficult depending on the person's hardware also. E.G, no HOTAS
The first fight was a thing of beauty! Also the Tacvew was particularly helpful this time. Job very well done - thanks!
thanks Tim, and thanks for coming to watch, much love.
Nice to see the mig-29 bvr stuff, I’ve been meaning to learn some tactics for it.
What you said about the f16 radar is interesting. I have a friend who is a maintenance
Chief for an F15 squad. He told that his guys always beat the f16s in drills because they can lock them up before the f16s can even see them on radar, because of the relative size difference in the radar array.
AFAIK, regardless of scanning and tracking method and technollogy used, radar dish diameter still plays a massive role in a radar's detection range, unsurpissingly the bigger F-15 has a radar with a bigger diameter, and therefore, range.
Always been my favorite MiG. We have one on static display at a local air and space museum and I've always loved those leading edges.
You do not know how happy I was to see the MiG-29 give the viper a good fight. Absolutely loved it
LOVE your running commentary on your thoughts and strategy as you track your quarry.
Also with the design on the Mig-29 it's short range and reliance on GCI and it's not so great avionics package Radar especially, did hamstring it. Not helped by the Soviet/Russian doctrine of rigid control of all fighters along with the inexperience of some pilots as well. We look in DCS as flying it more to Western norms which does make it a potent Point Defence fighter and a very good replacement to the Mig-21. Also when the Mig came out the F-16 was still only Sidewinders and gun... though I would like to see a Blk 10 or 15 EFM F-16 to have a real hotrod as these apparently where the lightest and best thrust to weight versions... Also again another excellent video and walk through.
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Well done. Big fan of the victory laps after each engagement.
This tracks with anecdotes I heard from pilots who trained against this plane in exercises. One guy called it "The pop-up threat from hell"
The roll at the end..... Красива! :D Best looking airplane ever. Joyful that we share the love of it.
Hell yeah New Growling Sidewinder Video! I'm sure it's gonna be Hella Good as always!
You should do a fighter unknown BVR fight, where you choose American and Russian fighters at random, I think that would be pretty cool
9:29 "I'm just gonna hold my crank" *giggity* 😆
Before someone with no sense of humor comments, yes I know what the crank is in reference to BVR.
Man watching this reminds me of Falcon 3.0 LAN tournaments with the brand new MiG-29 DLC back in the early 90s. How far the tech and available info has come since then.
Hey mate, been seeing your dogfight videos quite a while and wondering if you were using VR all this time or track IR. Though from what I've seen, it's mostly track IR but maybe I'm wrong. Anyhow, brilliant showcase of DCS 👏
the 29 full fidelity module will be amazing, sadly its years away
Guess what 😊 🎉
@@snwilliam6886i know, hopefully by the end of the year
@@Swatmat Amen
When that BattleField Theme kicks in!
whenever I use that tune I wait for this comment lol.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Begs the question. Would GS ever go and do some highlight videos from ye olde Battlefield flying days?
Really enjoyed this style instead of just canon work. Really nice change of pace
I often carry the fox 1 R 27 in addition to the R 77 on my Mig 29 to get a long range shot, out of the AIM 120 MAR and it works quit well to surprise enemys with a early warning and make them defend befor getting a missle of. I continue to BVR fight with fox 3 from there obviously, but one or another fox 1 at the beginning can't hurt for me
At 16:35 it looked like there was a very small chance for the missile to accidentally hit your own plane, is that something that can happen under very very specific circumstances?
Love your vids GS thanks for making my Tuesday better
Oh... and I literally just bought the Mig-29 to spice things up when I am burnt out of the F-16
People like to be vocal about the differences between airframes, but often the truth is that performance comes down to pilots and not planes (or missiles). Only when there is an overwhelming tactical disadvantage, do tactics and skill become less effective.
Visuals in that daytime are totally breathtaking except for 3:33 where the missile trail looks like a Jane´s game from the 90s
Mig-29 got a lot of support from the mountain ranges in this case. Could you do a scenario where there are no places to hide, like cities and plain grounds?
That "sunglass" hud panel is so cool
Only drawback to the 29 we have in DCS is no datalink, which the later 29s have. But hey I would settle for a high fidelity model
I love how the 29 flies, but the way the HUD in Russian aircraft works with the horizon confuses me. And I always end up smacking into mountains.
You should do a BVR fight against the F-15 Eagle in the Fulcrum.
And I still want my Gripen Vs Tomcat BVR fight.
Cool vid GS.
I love you man, I literally asked for it yesterday
i don't care when you recorded this this video got made because of me (jk)
1:24 it does display the signal strength, its the little line looping around the plane icon
That view at 5:32 with the shade down just looks amazing
At 9:27 you can see a missile exploding in the top right corner. Probably good you didn't recommit stragith after not seeing a missile trail!
F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk
F-16I Sufa VS F-15S/MBT
MB-339 Aerimacchi VS Viggen
PLEASE😁🙏
Tactics work well in this scenario, but I’m wondering what tactics would you do against the same aircraft in a flat terrain scenario? Great video!
without any hills to hide behind I know what tactic I'd be doing. Pucker up and pray.
Rnd 2. Is holding your crank a new move? Red Flag? Top Gun?
Ohhh, these two were made to tango with each other!!
They said it couldn't be done...🤣
6:40 "combat tactics mr Ryan"..
Great video. The 29 is still a threat in the hands of the right pilot.
in this particular case
Man this really makes me want to delve into my FC3 aircraft I've had for around 10 years!
I am glad to see the Mig-29 is still relevant. It's one of my favorite aircraft to shoot down when I'm flying the F-18.
I wish you'd make that top 5 best aircraft for Air-air 2022 version, considering how much has changed with the aircraft there
There has nothing realy changed. His old top plane video is still up to date
@@Mike_Romeo for example: The F-14 has had a lot of stuff changed on it's flight model (I.e flaps jamming, Phoenix behavior, thrust characteristics) and so has the Russian missiles and the Amraams.
First: I deeply respect you expertise. I have none except in an historical and documentary way. There are DOG FIGHTS as in WW1 or WW11 and then there are dogfights when you shoot a missal at a radar identified cursor point on a screen . This is why I wish that Ukraine could have some recent model F15s and appropriate supplementary weaponry.
Good little short and competent BVR session brother.
F-16 / Mig-29 from Spectrum Holobyte (Falcon 3.0 and 4.0) got me into sims. classic fight.
Hey GS can you do some videos on BVR/ACM against enemies who like to terrain mask with out radar mainly use boresite modes? I see a lot of people using this method to avoid having to go defensive and get in range to where defensive maneuvers are too late. Great videos though, I'm here for every single one of them!
I like the 2v2 or 4v4 ideas
Realistic flight numbers would be awesome
I think your channel is awesome and informative thank you
Like the MIC drop at the end!🤙🏾
Hey GS not sure if you'll see this but if possible could you make a series of tutorials for BFM there seems to be a plethera of content on youtube for BVR but not nearly as much for BFM Im currently flying the 16 and I reliably go positive on your open conflict server in bvr but whenever I try to hop on DCS dogfighters to do guns only I get slapped around pretty hard. Mainly its just a lot to take in and I especially struggle maintaing visual on the enemy after the merge or if I lose lock. Anyways l'm loving the content you put out its helped me a lot keep up the good work and i wish you all succsess.
the MiG 29 is a beautiful bird :) I wish there was a full fidelity MiG29 in DCS
Knowledge about the platform and tactics to put it to use. Thanks GS!
I see Mig-29, i smack that like button
If you are trying to control the fight why not launch a missile in STT? Most of us would think the missile was pit bull and defend immediately.
loved this one. would love to see what you can do in the f4 phantom tho!
There is sadly no F-4 for this sim yet.
@@Mike_Romeo wdym? i’ve seen GS go head to head with f-4 phantoms in older videos.
GS the "Ghost" of DCS 👏👏👏
Just purchased the 29 and she’s really growing on me. Idk, I like her better than the flankers. Fun flying something other than U.S. jets
"She is still deadly" -yeah, for the pilot too :D In our Polish Air Force no one wants to fly them. First the ejection seats were decapitating the pilots because of lack of original documentations and usage of domestic parts. After that two pilots died because of engine problems. Those are just old bastards, even if still in service and nothing can make them younger
Anywhere I can find reports of this?
funnily enough i frequently see them flying over my house doing fun manoeuvres often, saw them today in fact
And these are the planes zelenskyy wants??
@@CharlieThunder24 They're the planes his Air Force is already trained to fly and operate.
@@CharlieThunder24 they have literally no other option since crew is not trained in western type of aircrafts.
Please make a video of Sukhoi Su-30 MKI Vs F-15EX Eagle II
Hey you
Keep up the good work loving it!
After the f-15 the MIG-29 has always been my favorite for pure as looks
which version of battlefield sound track ur playing?
The Growling Sidewinder version. It was made by someone else only for him. You wont find it anywhere else.
Man every time I see your videos.... I still get mesmerized by the DCS graphics
Babushka at this point, but still dangerous.
"I'm just gonna hold my crank" 😆
Ah Mann I was waiting for this
Awesome videos mate as always.. but I notice you spend lots of time on the ground hypothetically in a combat theatre within ranges of ir sams and AAA.. how would you change your tactics change if you couldn't go below say 10,000ft.??? Apologies if this question has been asked before..
You stay above 10k feet. Just be aware of the minimum abort range. You can stay higher if you turn cold earlier, which could cost your situational awareness.
love the longer vids!
Right On you are a heck a a pilot
ww2 aircraft making a return soon?
Bring back the Aermacchi MB-339.
Love that killer’s chuckle.
A pilot's ability or inability to obtain SA can make up for or negate any inherent disadvantages or advantages of an aircraft.
At 10:24, what's happening to the hud? It's almost like it's taking off it's sunglasses
Mig-29 vs F-35 from Poland pls!
It’s not just the aircraft but pilot training,maintenance and tactical and strategic doctrine, the MiG 29 is a very good aircraft but somewhat long in the tooth….
How does that Fight Go without Mountainous terrain to hide behind - Do you think you could still sneak closer to him like that without him knowing?
Was that the MiG-29? Or pilot strategy plus good enough missiles. Couldn't all this have been done in a MiG-21 with archers and a comparable radar outfitted?
Ya of course pilot skill matters it’s up to the pilot to get the most out of the aircraft.
Archer? I assume you mean the Vympel (R-77)
No, the problem is MiG-21 cannot carry a comparable radar because
1. It's a smaller fighter so there is less space in the nose
2. it's single engine cannot provide enough electrical power to the radar
@@GrowlingSidewinder The problem is you're too damn good :) Think of the cockpit time you've clocked compared to 99% of DCS players, and your knowledge of airframes, tactics and methodical approach to dogfighting is probably superior to 99%. Unless the match is heavily lopsided against you (any fourth gen vs F-22/Su-57), you have a good chance of prevailing. Even when you fought a highly skilled opponent like that Rafale pilot, he was probably way more aggressive in DCS than he would be in real life, giving you openings. Longshot is certainly capable, and he has his moments, but he's not as methodical and consistent IMO.
Hey GS!
I want to get into DCS, but i don't know what graphic card to get.
I have the option of either gtx 1660 super or rtx 3050 for the same price (400usd) or rtx 3060ti (650 usd)
In my computer i already have a i7 10700kf processor, 16 gb ram, 1 tb ssd, and 1tb hdd.
What would you reccomend if i wanted medium to high level graphics?
Thank you in advance.
More is more and DCS will will make use of all the GPU. Get the 3060ti, it has twice the performance of the 1660 and 3050 and most importantly 8GB VRAM Instead of 6. DCS is very performance hungry and you want the best of the best for it.
What Mike said, get the 3060 Ti.
Dude you are just a phenomenal pilot!
You should do some more bandit unknown videos
First Comment Yea :D :
Play the D9 with its Gyro Gunsight !
Day 72 of asking gs to fight the f22 in a warbird
Honestly, I’d imagine most late war aircraft would reasonably have a chance in the merge, but not much else. Would be very interesting to watch, to be sure
Keep it up!
GS what do you use to make dcs look so good? External ray tracing or RTX?
Don't think there ever will be any raytracing in DCS, probably far too difficult to integrate in that old engine and make it run acceptably well too...
@@julian974 no that isn’t what I mean. Is he using the features of NVIDIA’s RTX or using an external program
@@GlitchyGamers18 He’s using a RTX 3080.
Great video! :) what is the song in middle of the video, between the two rounds?
I want to see a full fidelity mig29smt model.
As soon as I saw the viper pilot carrying bags I knew who was gonna win...
I honestly want to know what was going through that viper pilot's head when he didnt even attempt to fire an amraam when gs got close.
well, he can easily drop the bags, and I also had a centerline bag which I also dropped. and when you get close and they don't fire an amraam 9/10 they couldn't see you/on radar or visually, thats luck tho lol you don't often get that lucky thats why getting inside the MAR to go to the merge is real risky business.
@@GrowlingSidewinder do you put an awacs in these missions? Or is it pure SA cause the F16 looks like he is having trouble finding you in these fights. Also I know you can drop bags but his climb is gonna be less and speed at the launch of his aim120 is going to be less.
@@GrowlingSidewinder those conviently placed mountains did also help you a lot 😅
Okay now do it against the f22 raptor
can you do a vid showing the difference between staying high and going low when a missle is coming towards you
well, if you stay high you will die. Not much of a video in that boss. Always dive.
i enjoyed this vid