@@itsapittie they can send him more to prove their quality. Their ammunition seems good but that darn Remington has unfortunately added a dark cloud over this review.
They took a big risk only sending 60 rounds. They were lucky there were enough left to pin the misfires on the gun. That said with the primer situation being what it is there's a good chance they're using primers slightly on the harder side - S&B, Murom, something like that.
I was about to type a comment talking about known issues with the Remington 783s accuracy, but then I saw the "tragedy" and realized "nah, clearly no longer an issue".
It's 100% luck of the draw, my neighbor's 783 is a great shooter. But do you really want to trust luck when it comes to getting a solid rifle? I'll let you be the judge.
That was a shocker but an act of kindness.... If you have a dud of a ballpoint pen, some folk will just throw it back in the drawer and let another person be disappointed by it later. Other people will throw the pen away right there. The 783 rifle could have been sold or given away or something else, but that is like letting somebody else find out that they have a pen that won't write. I'm here for that retirement with 21 gun salute.
In my experience, most self-inflicted GSWs have a distribution of 1 shot to one victim. I’m going to have to consider this situation an ‘assisted’, which would make Paul the Jack Kevorkian of old guns.
I seem to recall a Palestinian terror group leader who was "hiding out" in Iraq before Gulf War 1 committed suicide (the official CoD) in his apartment by shooting himself several times. In the back. I'd say it speaks to the depth of his remorse.
A couple of years ago when I was the range officer at our local shooting range, a guy brought a brand new Remington 783 sight in his scope for deer hunting. His shots were all over the place, so he asked for some help. Upon inspection of the rifle, I noted that it had .270 on the barrel in large block numerals. Our member was shooting .270 ammo. I grabbed a round and stuck the point in the muzzle. It went right in with room to spare! I grabbed a 30-06 round and it fit snuggly. So, Remington took a .30 caliber barrel, cut in a .270 chamber, stamped .270 on it, then stuck it on a “.270” rifle and sold it. Wow. Unbelievable, except was there and saw it with my own eyes. Would never ever buy a Freedom Group era Remington product.
😳😳😳 Dang! That IS unbelievable! I do believe YOU, however, and am shocked at Remington! That's some pretty brazen either failed QC or flat out outrageousness!
Be happy that they didn't do It the other way around, a .30-06 through a .270. Although if they did any quality control they would probably have found it out pretty fast.
You will see this more and more as "firearms companies" are bought by "investment groups", who have no idea about let alone practical knowledge of firearms, that then make decisions based off their desire for profit with no care for safety let alone accuracy for the end user. I hope the owner of that accident waiting to happen firearm sued the company and got a lot more than just a proper rifle from them to replace that -insert your own explicatives here-.
As a gunsmith I can assure you that the 783 was depressed and there was nothing Paul could do. If you actually take the time to read the manual provided with the 783, it lists being a target for a better rifle as a primary use.
For some reason - I can re-imagine the listed item in the 783 ' s manual, designating its primary use to be targeted for total annihilation by a better rifle, as having some significance in being socially applicable to certain self-loathing unnamed multi--transverse-entity groups ...
@@jazeenharal6013 Yeah, I do that to people some times - I will slightly rewrite it a bit to make it maybe more easily understandable . Ok, fact check that for me and tell me if I improved its coherence .
I have a .223 700 and a .308 700. They both perform flawlessly, but they're over 20 years old. I have a newer 870 that I bought because I regretted selling my old one and it's crap. I ended up replacing it with a Mossberg 500.
A 700 5R capable of accepting both 7.62x51 nato and 300 win mag was the primary sniper rifle of both the army and marines for decades. Being good at making an expensive rifle doesn't make you good at making a cheap rifle and vice versa. Remington just isn't competent when trying to build to a lower price point. Compare that to Savage who makes famously decent $350 rifles but is unimpressive at higher price points.
I had a 30 year old Pontiac Fiero sitting in my front yard. This broad, a couple of houses down, gets the dog catcher on my to remove it. So I traded it for a brand new, in the box, 783. 300 Win mag. 5 Years now and I've never shot it. I'm to afraid. Well the car didn't run either so I guess it was a fair trade.
I own a 783 in 300 win mag, camo stock, it kicks a little but not terrible. Mines a tack driver. Gets about 1.25 MOA at 100 yards. Don't consider that bad at all
Shoot that rifle Brother ! I've shot a Ruger bolt action rifle in that caliber. It's not as bad as some say. Just keep your eye back from the scope of it has one. Let me know how it was after you try it
Right! Extreme-Spread is a key outcome. Those various velocities will usually result in a different POI and can explain the "flyers". The Standard-deviation is another that should be included. Ideally, the target work and chrono should be done with the same groups. For all we know those flyers could have been even far more than the ~60+/-
Glad to hear the Omusha performs well. That was a pretty good group out of the Colt if the two flyers were really just you. Thanks for always providing good content.
I suspect the 783's fate was already sealed before the video began. It wouldn't surprise me if that rifle has been bedeviling Paul or the crew for years and it was used to make a what could have been a mundane ammo test into a much more entertaining production. Thank you Paul!
I missed the bit when he said what rifle it was, but when I saw a bolt action with a scope I thought now we will see what 223 can really do. The results came as quite the shock, pretty pathetic when a much better group can be easily achieved with open sights. I hadn't realized the 783 was known for being a bad rifle, having never looked at a bolt action in that caliber.
@@fiveowaf454 Despite what some say/believe, being a bolt action does not automatically make it more accurate than an AR or other semi auto offering. That said, the Remington 700 line built under Freedom Group and later Remington Outdoors Group were utter garbage majority of the time. The new company that's running Remington now rebranded as Rem Arms seems to be doing better on the QC and fit/finish issues previous ones had. But they certainly aren't cranking them out in great numbers and missing many deadlines and quotas on stuff. I've seen some of the Ruger Ranch rifles in .223 and Savage Axis rifles in .223 be incredibly accurate though. Most are capable of 1 MOA out of the box. But to be fair, there's a lot of stock standard factory AR's that can do that too.
@@Predalien195 I realize bolt guns are not automatically more accurate, I have an AR Varmint rifle that is far more accurate than most bolt action rifles, there are a lot of factors that make a firearm accurate, beyond purely the action type. However, my point was that given we usually see Paul Harrel shooting his Colt AR with iron sights and other similar setups, when doing anything involving 5.56/223, my immediate thought on seeing a relatively large scope on a bolt action rifle was that it was specifically chosen because it was accurate, to see what the tested ammunition could really do - unfortunately the joke was on me, when we saw what the rifle actually did, it was specifically chosen for the opposite reason, because it was so awful to provide entertainment.
@@d2bergler I missed Remington because my wife distracted me, but when I saw the large scope on a bolt action rifle I assumed we were going to see some tight groups, any way it was good for a laugh.
That’s the best thing that could’ve happened to that model 783. If anyone needs a prime example of why Remington failed, that model is one fine example.
@@levergatRapha they sucked when Remington first bought them because all the Marlin manufacturing was still being done as it had been for a hundred years, entirely by hand using passed down instructions and minimal actual blueprints. Remington had to basically create the modern manufacturing from scratch. By the mid 2010s, Remlins weren't too bad. I have one from 2017 and it works just fine. I also have a V3 that runs like a sewing machine and my dad has a couple 1911 R1s that do the same. Remington screwed up quite a few things in their last years, but everything they made at the end wasn't trash. That being said, may Freedom Group and Cerberus burn in Hell, and all hail the new era of Ruglins. Ruger + Marlin appears to be a very good fit. Just remember Marlin was nearly dead back in 2008, so if nothing else you have Remington to thank for the fact that they still existed in 2021 for Ruger to buy.
@@herbderbler1585 good riddance I guess, but paying more than 1k usd for a 1895/336 45-70 rifle with a worse lockup strength than an original Winchester 1886 when chiappa, pedersoli 1886 are on the same price point is stupid. And ruger should reintroduce the 96 in both 22 and 44 instead.
@@levergatRapha The reason Remington had problems with Marlin was due to the horrendous old equipment Marlin was using at the time. Once they stopped production, reverse engineered the rifles as Marlin had no drawings and started production on the new equipment the rifles were very good, unfortunately by that point Remington had too many other financial issues to keep going. It as undoubtedly a costly mistake in terms of whatever they paid for Marlin without considering the state of their machinery and the fact it wouldn't survive the move from one factory to another and couldn't be operated by people who hadn't been "educated" over time in how to fudge results on the clapped out machines. It's very reminiscent of my 73 Triumph Tiger built on machinery that was dug out of the rubble of the Coventry factory after the Germans bombed it, the workers would use all sorts of initiative and jerry rigging to get parts with the right tolerances. I have a number of Marlins and the two Remlins I have are fantastic, equaling the fit an finish of the others.
@@levergatRapha I think you are letting your bias show, nothing wrong with the lock up strength of the Marlin rifles, look at the +P rounds people put through in 45-70 it's a very strong rifle.
When I was a kid, (maybe 1980-81?) I remember a gun store in Indiana that sold Mausers and Carcanos placed in a metal trash can, and marked $15-20 each. Those days will never return. However, I do wonder if we’ll see the day when old Remington 783’s are placed in metal trash can and marked $15-20 each.
I live in southern Indiana. I'm pushing 60 years old. I remember the days when people sold single barrel shotguns for $25. And $25 for used Marlin model 60's and RG revolvers.
I know a couple of people who own an old K98k. Those rifles still produce groups around 1" at 100m with iron sights. They also work very reliably. $15-20 seems a little ambitious forr the 783 based on the performance demonstrated in the video.
I had a Remington 783 in 30-06 that produced the same type groups with various types of ammunition. I traded it for a AR type looking 12gauge which I’m not allowed to use anymore because I’m Canadian 🤷🏻♂️
I think the ammo shortage is why you're seeing all these new manufacturers crop up. It must be worth the start up costs, to get new ammo production going, because given the prices ammo is going for, it allows for new guys to to make their money back, and turn a profit to reinvest and grow bigger, so as to eventually truly compete with old hands like Winchester and Remington.
@@FoAmY99 No doubt the current prices combined with the strong demand there has been for many years makes it an attractive business proposition, ultimately it could be one of the few positives to come from the recent mess if it transfers in to a stable supply down the road and competition achieves sensible prices. At some point if the Russian ban continues, which their attack on the Ukraine has no doubt sealed, there is a lot of slack there in the supply chain to be taken up by someone somewhere in the world.
Paul I just want to say thank you for the time and effort you put in to making these videos and sharing all this valuable knowledge with us you are one of the most if not the most skilled person on this platform when it comes to ballistics and shooting firearms in general your videos are always very professional and detailed.
As someone who has struggled with depression, and had multiple suicide attempts... ... I actually found that really hilarious, lol! For real, if you can't learn to laugh at the darkest things in life, you will be forever miserable. I really appreciate the humor, especially the deadpan delivery! Love your videos, Paul! Keep 'em coming!
I guess you're one of those "if at first you don't succeed... try, try again" type people. This is one case where you should be thankful that you are so unsuccessful. :)
Excellent!! it was great to see how the rifle can make such a huge difference in accuracy. Sorry for the loss of your Remington. Guess it went the way of its parent.
I’ve been watching your videos for years it seems and I have to say I appreciate your honesty and candor. Your skill at plinking is very high and I enjoy your tongue in cheek humor!
I own a Remington 700 adl made in 1989 I bought it from my cousin who maybe shot 1 box of ammo through it until I bought it. it’s the best rifle I’ve ever owned and I love it. I’m sad to see what Remington became over the years when I was little Everyone always loved Remington and Remington was the standard by which all others were judged. It’s a shame what happened to them.
You know Paul is both smart enough and honest enough to understand when it's a failure of his gun, rather than the ammo he's shooting, and he is not afraid to sacrifice it if it is not performing like it should. Weaker men would hesitate. Props to you!
@@rollastudent But if the Colt can strike them fine, and the accuracy is notably poor with every ammo, then it IS the rifle's fault, not the ammo. She's dead Jim - let her go. :p
@@CalzaTheFox ARs generally have heavier springs to deal with military style primers, and that was only testing 55 FMJ. It just seemed like a gimmick to shoot up the rifle
I read a comment the other day criticizing Mr. Harrell's targets comparisons between ammo when shooting off hand. At the 4.08 mark when the gun goes click and not bang he was rock steady. There was no discernable movement of the firearm when the trigger broke. That folks is a man with excellent shooting fundamentals and what making a shot counts is all about.
I worked at a gun store for a few years. We returned a couple dozen 783s in that time. The only rifle we returned more of was a savage 64. The most memorable return I had was a 783 in .270 Winchester. Guy said that the bolt wouldn't close. So I grabbed a snap cap and tried to close the bolt. Rammed all the way forward, the bolt was still 1/2" out of battery! Upon closer inspection it appeared that someone had run the .270 Winchester reamer to the correct depth for a .308 Winchester or similar length cartridge. How that got past QC I have no idea.
Why were the savage 64s returned so much? I had one that I shot often and I found as long as you cleaned the mags with a q tip and lubed the slide it was a darn good rifle for the cost.
@@nigeltheoutlaw Quality control was all over the place. Most of the ones returned wouldn't feed (live ammo or snap caps). Most of the issues could be resolved with a new magazine, but being a bigger store they just returned it instead of swapping mags. If I had to guess we probably returned 5% of them or so. Probably 90% of those were magazine issues. I can't remember exactly what the most common issue was anymore, but I think it was the magazine sitting too low resulting in the bullet nose hitting below the feed ramp. I did have some people with other firearms that said it stopped working and I told them to try cleaning and that worked. Most of the savage 64s would be returned within 2 weeks of purchase. The store frequently put them on 25% off sales and there would be a flood of returns a week or two later. To be clear, I'm not saying that they are all crappy. Just that a higher than average number have issues. I know a few people who are quite happy with them.
@@ExF1Guy I see, well I suppose at that price point it's to be expected you're skimping on more than a little. I definitely can see the magazines being a problem, they were a little finnicky. Thanks for the answer.
Beautiful twist of comedy I never saw coming. Even after having seen every video over the years. Question I saw somewhere else. Who is your favorite RUclips gun personality, and why is it Paul Harrell?
Paul, thanks to this video I got some of this Omusha 55gr .223 and shot it through my 18" Odin Works .223 Wylde barreled AR. Don't have a chrono so I can't speak to that, but accuracy and consistency were pretty impressive. Thank you.
This is why Paul puts "air quotes" around the phrase , "we are at "the range" today". I think the day I take and set up a rifle downrange to use as a target for another rifle to shoot at is the day I need to find a new "range". Still a great video. Thanks, Paul.
All the newer ones came about after the time of Remington's being sold off by Du-Pont , and their quality took the proverbial nosedive . Never owned a 788 , but I wish I did .
Part of me is glad that Paul let the 783 go the way it did and he didn't sell a 'bad' rifle to another. another part of me sad to see that we may never know what the problem was, if it was fixable or just the scope? Brings up my question: When or how do we know when a firearm has outlived its useful life ?
I'd say look down the barrel and see how worn it looks, but someone would probably just tell me how dangerous that is. I'm not really sure if you can wear out the barrel anyway, the little parts inside would probably go first most of the time.
Glad to see the new ammo manufacturer is willing to let such a public, fair review be made. Too bad Remington sucks at making firearms, but that's nothing new.
I knew you would bring out your AR15 rifle it's your rifle of choice I do believe. Excellent presentation I loved your touch of humor at the end thanks Paul.
I love watching Paul, but he rarely makes me laugh as hard as when his rifle committed suicide. Please keep up the great work Paul. I don't even shoot any AK platform rifles and I still watched your 2 part video on choosing ammo for them.
I would like to see you shoot any of those ammos through a Savage Axis 223, to see what kind of groups you get. I have always been pleased with mine, no matter what brand of ammunition I used.
In general Savage rifles are outrageously accurate for their price. One year I was ill before the dear hunt and didn't get my rifle sighted in with the new scope. I felt quite self conscious as I went to a range who would sight it in for you as I was told to place it on the rack with a number of other rifles belonging to people in line for the same. Here were all these really expensive rifles with fancy stainless, some with carbon fiber, me with my Savage 110 in 30-06. I watched a number of rifles being sighted in placed in the gun vice and the guy adjusting them. Eventually it was my turn, I had only bore sighted it with the bolt removed. He fired some shots and then was shaking his head and picked the rifle up looking at the barrel markings on the side, my heart sank and I asked him what's wrong, turned out it was the accuracy of the rifle that was bemusing him, incredibly accurate. Long story short my rifle was by a long way the quickest he sighted in that day and the most accurate. I left feeling quite elated the rifle I had just about stolen from Walmart on clearance many years before for $180 with a scope had held it's own against the thousands of dollars rifles that had also sat in the same rack, none of them received a bemused shake of the head for their performance.
It is seldom touched on that some guns just don’t like some ammo. Always a good idea to test a variety in any gun to see what it likes best. Always a joy. Information is power. Thank you for sharing some of that power with us poor mortals!😬👍
So, one thing that is interesting is that Omusha .223 Remington seemingly has hard primers like 5.56. I wouldn't have destroyed the Remington 783 over it. Rather, I'd have installed a stronger striker spring and tried again.
I think the accuracy caused it to kill itself, I'm guessing that's been a long term issue, otherwise efforts would have been made to see what was wrong with it. So I'm guessing a long term problem, that could not be resolved, in which case it deserved to die. You can waste a lot of time and ammo on a duff rifle trying everything because you want it to work.
Ah, thank you Mr. Harrell. You have a dry sense of humor that made my inability to sleep, more humorous. Some kids grew up watching cartoons and some kids grew up watching Paul Harrell. I wouldn’t know, as I came much before youtube… but if I had kids, or have kids in the next couple years l, they’ll grow up watching Paul Harrell.
I hated school when I was a child, with a couple of exceptions. History/social studies, gym, and physical science. Of all the firearm channels on RUclips, I could not figure out why Paul's Channel always kept me coming back. Then it dawned on me, his channel is a science and history, and on those few moments when he jumps around, a "gym" class. We've been watching an educational program the whole time. Now, if I could only get him to change my grades from Mrs. Moore's English Lit. class. Yes, it's been more than thirty-five years, but one could hope.
This video was posted 30’seconds ago but I’m going to comment as if I watched the whole thing already…..hey Paul….you know you don’t SLAM the revolver ejector rod right?!?
I am very glad to see the problem has been fixed and that the ar is still fixing problems just like it has been for about 70 years. Lol great video thanks
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I bought a 700 in .270 win circa 2008...I think I must have gotten some of the last nice rifles Remington made. It's an excellent shooter, easily shoots halfish MOA groups with the right handloads. It's taken a lot of deer and its fair share of varmints as well
@@AnarchAngel1 From what I have seen, most of the 700s around that time were still good. The problem was that far more bad ones came through then they should but that doesn't mean most or even a majority were bad.
@@AnarchAngel1 Ive got a broken watch that's right twice a day... just messing with ya; I love my 870's and even an 1894 "Remlin" manufactured in 2017. That being said, it's unfortunate that a manufacturer as historic and beloved as Remington, has allowed poor production quality to stain an amazing name. I hope they work out the problems and start producing the firearms we all know they are capable of.
Up and coming ammo manufacturers are taking a huge risk sending their wares to Paul. He WILL tell you how good it is.
It is only a risk if their ammo isn't good.
By now they probably know a lot of people trust Paul's results. That can be a good or a bad thing depending upon how it turns out.
@@itsapittie they can send him more to prove their quality. Their ammunition seems good but that darn Remington has unfortunately added a dark cloud over this review.
They took a big risk only sending 60 rounds. They were lucky there were enough left to pin the misfires on the gun.
That said with the primer situation being what it is there's a good chance they're using primers slightly on the harder side - S&B, Murom, something like that.
If the company wants to be critiqued then why not you learn where the ammo falls short and then you can make adjustments to make better ammo
I was about to type a comment talking about known issues with the Remington 783s accuracy, but then I saw the "tragedy" and realized "nah, clearly no longer an issue".
It's 100% luck of the draw, my neighbor's 783 is a great shooter. But do you really want to trust luck when it comes to getting a solid rifle? I'll let you be the judge.
Kinda a shame to just destroy the rifle AND scope, maybe for YT views(?)……has the 783 been looked at by a competent gun smith?
@@dullonion797 Scope and sling was a waste
@@Estoc_Bestoc_ Maybe it was a Chinese made Nikon scope. If so, the scope may have been culpable.
@@dullonion797 It has, and the competent gunsmith noted that it is full of holes. And it’s a Remington.
The “suicide” of the 783…didn’t see that one coming at all. 😲
No 783, Don't, Stop, Don't stop. Well we did everything we could. It was inevitable.
That was a shocker but an act of kindness.... If you have a dud of a ballpoint pen, some folk will just throw it back in the drawer and let another person be disappointed by it later. Other people will throw the pen away right there.
The 783 rifle could have been sold or given away or something else, but that is like letting somebody else find out that they have a pen that won't write.
I'm here for that retirement with 21 gun salute.
In my experience, most self-inflicted GSWs have a distribution of 1 shot to one victim. I’m going to have to consider this situation an ‘assisted’, which would make Paul the Jack Kevorkian of old guns.
I seem to recall a Palestinian terror group leader who was "hiding out" in Iraq before Gulf War 1 committed suicide (the official CoD) in his apartment by shooting himself several times. In the back. I'd say it speaks to the depth of his remorse.
Arkancide, if you ask me.
A couple of years ago when I was the range officer at our local shooting range, a guy brought a brand new Remington 783 sight in his scope for deer hunting. His shots were all over the place, so he asked for some help. Upon inspection of the rifle, I noted that it had .270 on the barrel in large block numerals. Our member was shooting .270 ammo. I grabbed a round and stuck the point in the muzzle. It went right in with room to spare! I grabbed a 30-06 round and it fit snuggly.
So, Remington took a .30 caliber barrel, cut in a .270 chamber, stamped .270 on it, then stuck it on a “.270” rifle and sold it. Wow. Unbelievable, except was there and saw it with my own eyes. Would never ever buy a Freedom Group era Remington product.
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Dang! That IS unbelievable! I do believe YOU, however, and am shocked at Remington! That's some pretty brazen either failed QC or flat out outrageousness!
Be happy that they didn't do It the other way around, a .30-06 through a .270. Although if they did any quality control they would probably have found it out pretty fast.
You will see this more and more as "firearms companies" are bought by "investment groups", who have no idea about let alone practical knowledge of firearms, that then make decisions based off their desire for profit with no care for safety let alone accuracy for the end user.
I hope the owner of that accident waiting to happen firearm sued the company and got a lot more than just a proper rifle from them to replace that -insert your own explicatives here-.
As a gunsmith I can assure you that the 783 was depressed and there was nothing Paul could do. If you actually take the time to read the manual provided with the 783, it lists being a target for a better rifle as a primary use.
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For some reason - I can re-imagine the listed item in the 783 ' s manual, designating its primary use to be targeted for total annihilation by a better rifle, as having some significance in being socially applicable to certain self-loathing unnamed multi--transverse-entity groups ...
@@kablammy7 I had to read those twice to get the gist, but I wholly agree with you lmao
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Yeah, I do that to people some times - I will slightly rewrite it a bit to make it maybe more easily understandable .
Ok, fact check that for me and tell me if I improved its coherence .
@@kablammy7 no, it's fine. It's circuitous, but still understandable.
It's been said before and I will say it again we need Paul Harrell action figures
I bought a shirt from Paul when I met him at a gunshow in Centralia, I never buy merch, it has held up well and I would buy another from him.
-- With the Kung-Fu grip :)
@@MarkJacksonGaming That has a string you pull that makes it speak with Shatneresque... pauses.
@@sski Ha! I stand. Entirely corrected.
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Remember when Remington was the standard in American bolt action rifles? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
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I have a .223 700 and a .308 700. They both perform flawlessly, but they're over 20 years old. I have a newer 870 that I bought because I regretted selling my old one and it's crap. I ended up replacing it with a Mossberg 500.
A 700 5R capable of accepting both 7.62x51 nato and 300 win mag was the primary sniper rifle of both the army and marines for decades. Being good at making an expensive rifle doesn't make you good at making a cheap rifle and vice versa. Remington just isn't competent when trying to build to a lower price point. Compare that to Savage who makes famously decent $350 rifles but is unimpressive at higher price points.
Even the worst post 64 example of a Winchester Model 70 was always a nicer rifle than the 700 in my opinion
I bet they're made in Chinka or some place like that.
I had a 30 year old Pontiac Fiero sitting in my front yard. This broad, a couple of houses down, gets the dog catcher on my to remove it. So I traded it for a brand new, in the box, 783. 300 Win mag. 5 Years now and I've never shot it. I'm to afraid. Well the car didn't run either so I guess it was a fair trade.
I own a 783 in 300 win mag, camo stock, it kicks a little but not terrible. Mines a tack driver. Gets about 1.25 MOA at 100 yards. Don't consider that bad at all
If you wanted to sell it, send it my way to my ffl. I'd gladly take another one lol
In the late 80's, my friend owned a 1985 Fiero. Good times.
Shoot that rifle Brother ! I've shot a Ruger bolt action rifle in that caliber. It's not as bad as some say. Just keep your eye back from the scope of it has one. Let me know how it was after you try it
why are you a coward?
Thanks for adding the +/- range!
That +/- range is one of the many reasons I handload.
Right! Extreme-Spread is a key outcome. Those various velocities will usually result in a different POI and can explain the "flyers". The Standard-deviation is another that should be included. Ideally, the target work and chrono should be done with the same groups. For all we know those flyers could have been even far more than the ~60+/-
Yes please also include the standard deviation!
Glad to hear the Omusha performs well. That was a pretty good group out of the Colt if the two flyers were really just you. Thanks for always providing good content.
Yeah, having a horozontal deviation we always may call it wind inconsistency :)
I suspect the 783's fate was already sealed before the video began. It wouldn't surprise me if that rifle has been bedeviling Paul or the crew for years and it was used to make a what could have been a mundane ammo test into a much more entertaining production. Thank you Paul!
I missed the bit when he said what rifle it was, but when I saw a bolt action with a scope I thought now we will see what 223 can really do. The results came as quite the shock, pretty pathetic when a much better group can be easily achieved with open sights. I hadn't realized the 783 was known for being a bad rifle, having never looked at a bolt action in that caliber.
@@fiveowaf454 Despite what some say/believe, being a bolt action does not automatically make it more accurate than an AR or other semi auto offering. That said, the Remington 700 line built under Freedom Group and later Remington Outdoors Group were utter garbage majority of the time.
The new company that's running Remington now rebranded as Rem Arms seems to be doing better on the QC and fit/finish issues previous ones had. But they certainly aren't cranking them out in great numbers and missing many deadlines and quotas on stuff.
I've seen some of the Ruger Ranch rifles in .223 and Savage Axis rifles in .223 be incredibly accurate though. Most are capable of 1 MOA out of the box. But to be fair, there's a lot of stock standard factory AR's that can do that too.
@@Predalien195 I realize bolt guns are not automatically more accurate, I have an AR Varmint rifle that is far more accurate than most bolt action rifles, there are a lot of factors that make a firearm accurate, beyond purely the action type. However, my point was that given we usually see Paul Harrel shooting his Colt AR with iron sights and other similar setups, when doing anything involving 5.56/223, my immediate thought on seeing a relatively large scope on a bolt action rifle was that it was specifically chosen because it was accurate, to see what the tested ammunition could really do - unfortunately the joke was on me, when we saw what the rifle actually did, it was specifically chosen for the opposite reason, because it was so awful to provide entertainment.
@@fiveowaf454 I heard Remington and my first though was that it must have been an older model because there was no way that Paul would own a POS.
@@d2bergler I missed Remington because my wife distracted me, but when I saw the large scope on a bolt action rifle I assumed we were going to see some tight groups, any way it was good for a laugh.
Very glad to see that you got the videos back.
The Remington 783 rifle soon to be featured on Forgotten Weapons.
Never Known Weapons
lol at the ending. Love you, Paul. You're a great speaker. I didn't hear a single um or ah or any filler words. I really enjoy your videos.
All the other guns in Paul's collection have taken notice and have stepped up their training regimen. They don't want to be "that guy. "
That’s the best thing that could’ve happened to that model 783. If anyone needs a prime example of why Remington failed, that model is one fine example.
Nope, Marlin firearms were.
@@levergatRapha they sucked when Remington first bought them because all the Marlin manufacturing was still being done as it had been for a hundred years, entirely by hand using passed down instructions and minimal actual blueprints. Remington had to basically create the modern manufacturing from scratch. By the mid 2010s, Remlins weren't too bad. I have one from 2017 and it works just fine. I also have a V3 that runs like a sewing machine and my dad has a couple 1911 R1s that do the same. Remington screwed up quite a few things in their last years, but everything they made at the end wasn't trash.
That being said, may Freedom Group and Cerberus burn in Hell, and all hail the new era of Ruglins. Ruger + Marlin appears to be a very good fit. Just remember Marlin was nearly dead back in 2008, so if nothing else you have Remington to thank for the fact that they still existed in 2021 for Ruger to buy.
@@herbderbler1585 good riddance I guess, but paying more than 1k usd for a 1895/336 45-70 rifle with a worse lockup strength than an original Winchester 1886 when chiappa, pedersoli 1886 are on the same price point is stupid.
And ruger should reintroduce the 96 in both 22 and 44 instead.
@@levergatRapha The reason Remington had problems with Marlin was due to the horrendous old equipment Marlin was using at the time. Once they stopped production, reverse engineered the rifles as Marlin had no drawings and started production on the new equipment the rifles were very good, unfortunately by that point Remington had too many other financial issues to keep going. It as undoubtedly a costly mistake in terms of whatever they paid for Marlin without considering the state of their machinery and the fact it wouldn't survive the move from one factory to another and couldn't be operated by people who hadn't been "educated" over time in how to fudge results on the clapped out machines. It's very reminiscent of my 73 Triumph Tiger built on machinery that was dug out of the rubble of the Coventry factory after the Germans bombed it, the workers would use all sorts of initiative and jerry rigging to get parts with the right tolerances. I have a number of Marlins and the two Remlins I have are fantastic, equaling the fit an finish of the others.
@@levergatRapha I think you are letting your bias show, nothing wrong with the lock up strength of the Marlin rifles, look at the +P rounds people put through in 45-70 it's a very strong rifle.
Man, the marketing guys at Remington are never gonna sponsor Paul! 👍👍👍
The ammo side seems ok.
There is no more Remington!
Let's be honest, if you were trying to market Remington Firearms under the Cerberus years you probably envied that 783 getting put out of it's misery.
Who needs them when you have Pop Tarts. It's where a man belongs.
Thorough and objective test. Objective as in I’m satisfied with your results. Thanks.
When I was a kid, (maybe 1980-81?) I remember a gun store in Indiana that sold Mausers and Carcanos placed in a metal trash can, and marked $15-20 each. Those days will never return.
However, I do wonder if we’ll see the day when old Remington 783’s are placed in metal trash can and marked $15-20 each.
I live in southern Indiana. I'm pushing 60 years old. I remember the days when people sold single barrel shotguns for $25. And $25 for used Marlin model 60's and RG revolvers.
Some Wal marts had these on clearance less than $100.00 before the pandemic.
My wife's grandpa told me how he bought his M1 carbine from the CMP for $20. He had to bag groceries all week to buy it.
More like placed in a metal trash can, then collected by the garbage men and dumped in a landfill
I know a couple of people who own an old K98k. Those rifles still produce groups around 1" at 100m with iron sights. They also work very reliably. $15-20 seems a little ambitious forr the 783 based on the performance demonstrated in the video.
It's really nice to see some .223 testing with a rifle that isn't an AR
It was nice and I was quite excited until he got onto the targets and lack of groups.
Mr. Harrell thank you again all your information is greatly appreciated...
I had a Remington 783 in 30-06 that produced the same type groups with various types of ammunition. I traded it for a AR type looking 12gauge which I’m not allowed to use anymore because I’m Canadian 🤷🏻♂️
Have fun “not” using it.
You absolutely better still have it. But of course, you shouldn't because you wouldn't want to break the super legitimate and very important laws.
Fuck Canada laws. Use that firearm to. Change things. It's never too late.
sounds like the 783 had a shot pattern like a 12 gauge.
Happy Friday. Thanks Paul for all you do!
Even in this ammo shortage it seems like there's always some new brand ammo coming out. Which is good
Agreed, the more the merrier, more competition will help prices stabilize and be as low as they can be, given material and labor costs.
I think the ammo shortage is why you're seeing all these new manufacturers crop up. It must be worth the start up costs, to get new ammo production going, because given the prices ammo is going for, it allows for new guys to to make their money back, and turn a profit to reinvest and grow bigger, so as to eventually truly compete with old hands like Winchester and Remington.
@@FoAmY99 No doubt the current prices combined with the strong demand there has been for many years makes it an attractive business proposition, ultimately it could be one of the few positives to come from the recent mess if it transfers in to a stable supply down the road and competition achieves sensible prices. At some point if the Russian ban continues, which their attack on the Ukraine has no doubt sealed, there is a lot of slack there in the supply chain to be taken up by someone somewhere in the world.
@@FoAmY99 It's not a new manufacturer, it's imported Denel PMP ammo.
Did you re-fire the "dud" rounds in the Colt? Curious if a second strike did the job.
Paul I just want to say thank you for the time and effort you put in to making these videos and sharing all this valuable knowledge with us you are one of the most if not the most skilled person on this platform when it comes to ballistics and shooting firearms in general your videos are always very professional and detailed.
RIP rem 783, shale be forgotten but not missed.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video
As someone who has struggled with depression, and had multiple suicide attempts...
... I actually found that really hilarious, lol! For real, if you can't learn to laugh at the darkest things in life, you will be forever miserable. I really appreciate the humor, especially the deadpan delivery!
Love your videos, Paul! Keep 'em coming!
Glad you're still with us. 😁
I guess you're one of those "if at first you don't succeed... try, try again" type people. This is one case where you should be thankful that you are so unsuccessful. :)
Suicide isn’t funny. I have been there.
Call someone for help.
Glad you are still here.
It can happen to anyone.
I'll keep making them if you keep watching.
@@PaulHarrell this is one of many reasons why you are my favorite youtube channel
Hello from the UK Mr Harrell. Great content again. I Haven't missed an episode yet! 👍
Best use of a 783 ever. POS doesn't quite cover it.
Excellent!! it was great to see how the rifle can make such a huge difference in accuracy. Sorry for the loss of your Remington. Guess it went the way of its parent.
Two videos within a week? Hell yeah!
I’ve been watching your videos for years it seems and I have to say I appreciate your honesty and candor. Your skill at plinking is very high and I enjoy your tongue in cheek humor!
That was awesome. I had a feeling the “tragedy” was going to actually be a comedy.
Yet another memorable video by Paul Harrell, thank you! And RIP Remington rifle.
Another video from Paul so soon? Right on! Wow I've never seen that much disdain for a weapon not even the judge!
I own a Remington 700 adl made in 1989 I bought it from my cousin who maybe shot 1 box of ammo through it until I bought it. it’s the best rifle I’ve ever owned and I love it. I’m sad to see what Remington became over the years when I was little Everyone always loved Remington and Remington was the standard by which all others were judged. It’s a shame what happened to them.
You know Paul is both smart enough and honest enough to understand when it's a failure of his gun, rather than the ammo he's shooting, and he is not afraid to sacrifice it if it is not performing like it should. Weaker men would hesitate. Props to you!
If the other ammo brands didn’t have issues in the Remington, it’s more likely that Omusha uses harder primers, not really the rifle’s fault
@@rollastudent But if the Colt can strike them fine, and the accuracy is notably poor with every ammo, then it IS the rifle's fault, not the ammo. She's dead Jim - let her go. :p
@@CalzaTheFox ARs generally have heavier springs to deal with military style primers, and that was only testing 55 FMJ. It just seemed like a gimmick to shoot up the rifle
I read a comment the other day criticizing Mr. Harrell's targets comparisons between ammo when shooting off hand. At the 4.08 mark when the gun goes click and not bang he was rock steady. There was no discernable movement of the firearm when the trigger broke. That folks is a man with excellent shooting fundamentals and what making a shot counts is all about.
I worked at a gun store for a few years. We returned a couple dozen 783s in that time. The only rifle we returned more of was a savage 64.
The most memorable return I had was a 783 in .270 Winchester. Guy said that the bolt wouldn't close. So I grabbed a snap cap and tried to close the bolt. Rammed all the way forward, the bolt was still 1/2" out of battery! Upon closer inspection it appeared that someone had run the .270 Winchester reamer to the correct depth for a .308 Winchester or similar length cartridge. How that got past QC I have no idea.
Why were the savage 64s returned so much? I had one that I shot often and I found as long as you cleaned the mags with a q tip and lubed the slide it was a darn good rifle for the cost.
@@nigeltheoutlaw
Quality control was all over the place. Most of the ones returned wouldn't feed (live ammo or snap caps). Most of the issues could be resolved with a new magazine, but being a bigger store they just returned it instead of swapping mags. If I had to guess we probably returned 5% of them or so. Probably 90% of those were magazine issues.
I can't remember exactly what the most common issue was anymore, but I think it was the magazine sitting too low resulting in the bullet nose hitting below the feed ramp.
I did have some people with other firearms that said it stopped working and I told them to try cleaning and that worked.
Most of the savage 64s would be returned within 2 weeks of purchase. The store frequently put them on 25% off sales and there would be a flood of returns a week or two later.
To be clear, I'm not saying that they are all crappy. Just that a higher than average number have issues. I know a few people who are quite happy with them.
@@ExF1Guy I see, well I suppose at that price point it's to be expected you're skimping on more than a little. I definitely can see the magazines being a problem, they were a little finnicky. Thanks for the answer.
@@ExF1Guy Damn that could have been a big lawsuit if it was way too long instead of way too short
Great Video Paul, as always very informative and just damn enjoyable.
Beautiful twist of comedy I never saw coming. Even after having seen every video over the years. Question I saw somewhere else. Who is your favorite RUclips gun personality, and why is it Paul Harrell?
Thanks for making the Omusha .223 video.
Perfect timing, Mr Harrell.
Dear Mr. Harrell, as always for me, this was time well spent. Thank you.
Thank you for keeping the great content coming, Paul.
No comment, just a Thank You from all of us who watch your videos.
We know you guys put in a lot of hard work for these videos.
Although the rifle couldn't perform all that well, it still hurts seeing a rifle being destroyed
The scope on a .22 for close range?!?! Blessings
yeah, a little bit. but it's his to destroy, and it was faulty. still makes me wince a little though.
It’s a Remington so…
Once upon a time that was a reputable name ⚰️ 🪦
From how people regard the 783, that rifle was destroyed before it even left the factory. Or so it would seem, anyway.
Being me, someone who tries to fix every thing, I immediately wanted to find out what was wrong with it, now it will never be able to tell us.
Thanks Paul. Can't wait for the 800K subscribers show!
Hello there👋👋,how are you doing today?hope you’re having a good day?God bless you!!❤️
That ending
Paul, thanks to this video I got some of this Omusha 55gr .223 and shot it through my 18" Odin Works .223 Wylde barreled AR. Don't have a chrono so I can't speak to that, but accuracy and consistency were pretty impressive. Thank you.
Remington 783: "I have information that could lead to the arrest of Hil-"
Thanks for the great content, good to see the ammo business growing.
Good to know it was the rifle, for a minute I was thinking that Paul does better shooting offhand with iron sights 😀
love the content paul ! you truly are an inspiration ! really helped me sharpen my mind ! much love paul ! keep it up !
Friends don't let Friends buy a remington.
Sincerely sorry for your loss!! Great content as always 😊 Thanks for your Great continued genuine stuff!! God Bless!!
As a regular, I like to see the seasons change in your gun range.
This is why Paul puts "air quotes" around the phrase , "we are at "the range" today". I think the day I take and set up a rifle downrange to use as a target for another rifle to shoot at is the day I need to find a new "range". Still a great video. Thanks, Paul.
Man that Remington 783 was really depressed 😂
Took the lockdowns hard.
Glad you're still out there Paul.
Other than the less well finished Model 700's in disguise, I think the last decent budget centerfire rife Remington put out was the Model 788.
I totally agree,had a 788 in 22-250 most accurate rifle I ever owned ( being young wanting something new) I sold it 😢thirty something years ago 😢
Had a 788 in 6mm and loved it!
788 in 222 was my go to for years very accurate.
All the newer ones came about after the time of Remington's being sold off by Du-Pont , and their quality took the proverbial nosedive .
Never owned a 788 , but I wish I did .
Ruger american.
Thanks Paul! While watching you shoot I was wondering why your groups were wide. Glad the 783 decided to make the world a better place... be Safe Bud!
Part of me is glad that Paul let the 783 go the way it did and he didn't sell a 'bad' rifle to another.
another part of me sad to see that we may never know what the problem was, if it was fixable or just the scope?
Brings up my question: When or how do we know when a firearm has outlived its useful life ?
The scope isn’t responsible for the three “duds.”
Judging from the other comments, it appears that the 783 is known for accuracy problems. Remington has had QC problems before their decline.
I'd say look down the barrel and see how worn it looks, but someone would probably just tell me how dangerous that is.
I'm not really sure if you can wear out the barrel anyway, the little parts inside would probably go first most of the time.
Thanks from Texas Mr. Harrell
Glad to see the new ammo manufacturer is willing to let such a public, fair review be made. Too bad Remington sucks at making firearms, but that's nothing new.
They're not a manufacturer, they're an importer.
I knew you would bring out your AR15 rifle it's your rifle of choice I do believe. Excellent presentation I loved your touch of humor at the end thanks Paul.
I love watching Paul, but he rarely makes me laugh as hard as when his rifle committed suicide.
Please keep up the great work Paul. I don't even shoot any AK platform rifles and I still watched your 2 part video on choosing ammo for them.
You are correct Sir .
I've decided to get some Belom 7.62x39 just because of that review. Barnaul is okay in my AK103 clone build.
Another great video from the man! Thanks Paul for sharing your expertise. I enjoy your videos- keep on shooting!
RIP Remington 783 ⚰️🪦
These are the highest chronograph readings I have seen on Paul's channel.
22 inch barrel in .223, 21 inch barrel in 5.56.
May be the twist on that poor Remington was 7” and 55gr were over stabilized ? R.I.P. Remington. Paul’s calm anger is scary 😂
Man you gotta love this guy! Paul is numero 1
Hello there👋👋,how are you doing today?hope you’re having a good day?God bless you!!❤️
RIP to the 783
Thanks for all the great content your channel provides. Sorry about the 783.
We know a tradesman shouldn't blame their tools for bad work, but with Paul we learn a shooter can blame his ammo for bad shooting
Are you serious? He’s got a great group with different ammo. It clearly wasn’t him.
@@bowencreer3922 um... did you read the comment? that's basically what the guy said.
a tradesman shouldnt blame his tools for bad work unless the tools are too broken or horribly made to do the job intended
lol gay
As a wiseman once said “a good craftsman doesn’t blame his tools, but he doesn’t shop at harbor freight either”
Great video... 👍🏻 thanks Paul.
F J B
I would like to see you shoot any of those ammos through a Savage Axis 223, to see what kind of groups you get. I have always been pleased with mine, no matter what brand of ammunition I used.
In general Savage rifles are outrageously accurate for their price. One year I was ill before the dear hunt and didn't get my rifle sighted in with the new scope. I felt quite self conscious as I went to a range who would sight it in for you as I was told to place it on the rack with a number of other rifles belonging to people in line for the same. Here were all these really expensive rifles with fancy stainless, some with carbon fiber, me with my Savage 110 in 30-06. I watched a number of rifles being sighted in placed in the gun vice and the guy adjusting them. Eventually it was my turn, I had only bore sighted it with the bolt removed. He fired some shots and then was shaking his head and picked the rifle up looking at the barrel markings on the side, my heart sank and I asked him what's wrong, turned out it was the accuracy of the rifle that was bemusing him, incredibly accurate. Long story short my rifle was by a long way the quickest he sighted in that day and the most accurate. I left feeling quite elated the rifle I had just about stolen from Walmart on clearance many years before for $180 with a scope had held it's own against the thousands of dollars rifles that had also sat in the same rack, none of them received a bemused shake of the head for their performance.
@@fiveowaf454 👍👍👍
Savage rocks. Mine is better than me.
"No 783, don't do it....."
Thanks Paul, I needed that hearty laugh today. 🤣🤣🤣👍
Hello there👋👋,how are you doing today?hope you’re having a good day?God bless you❤️
It is seldom touched on that some guns just don’t like some ammo. Always a good idea to test a variety in any gun to see what it likes best.
Always a joy.
Information is power.
Thank you for sharing some of that power with us poor mortals!😬👍
that rifle failed with several types of ammo.
And can you imagine a Remington rifle that doesn't like Remington ammo?
@@PaulHarrell must have some family resentment issues or self loathing. all too common with those suicidal types...
@@PaulHarrell self-hate, that may have played a role in its unfortunate mental breakdown.
My rifle takes what i give it, or it hits the road.....
I dont care if thats financially stupid
This is the best video you’ve done yet. Keep up the amazing work Paul !
So, one thing that is interesting is that Omusha .223 Remington seemingly has hard primers like 5.56. I wouldn't have destroyed the Remington 783 over it. Rather, I'd have installed a stronger striker spring and tried again.
Especially if he didn’t have failures with the other brands.
Paul didn't do it. It suicided....
I think the accuracy caused it to kill itself, I'm guessing that's been a long term issue, otherwise efforts would have been made to see what was wrong with it. So I'm guessing a long term problem, that could not be resolved, in which case it deserved to die. You can waste a lot of time and ammo on a duff rifle trying everything because you want it to work.
I think the cost of that piece of crap was well worth the entertainment we all got out of it
Ah, thank you Mr. Harrell. You have a dry sense of humor that made my inability to sleep, more humorous.
Some kids grew up watching cartoons and some kids grew up watching Paul Harrell.
I wouldn’t know, as I came much before youtube… but if I had kids, or have kids in the next couple years l, they’ll grow up watching Paul Harrell.
I miss the Pop Tart intros
One of my favorite pass times watching Paul Harrell video!! And. Cold beers 🍻🍺
That's the second firearm that committed suicide on your watch...
@@markatthemission I recall a Henry, Hank. Lever-action.
@@markatthemission A Henry Rifle... Took itself out pretty much the same way. SMH...
Too funny, nice you were able to diagnose that the issue was the rifle.
AK > AR
💥🔫🤠 YEE HAW
Nicely done as usual! Always great to see you do a review!
I cant believe youtube didn't give him a strike for what that Remington done to itself lol
Just the opposite. RUclips would probably like to see all guns do that to themselves.
@@Kriss_L except for the fully automatics handed out to Ukrainian civilians. Aaaand the ones given to the talybanman. Those are ok.
I hated school when I was a child, with a couple of exceptions. History/social studies, gym, and physical science. Of all the firearm channels on RUclips, I could not figure out why Paul's Channel always kept me coming back. Then it dawned on me, his channel is a science and history, and on those few moments when he jumps around, a "gym" class. We've been watching an educational program the whole time. Now, if I could only get him to change my grades from Mrs. Moore's English Lit. class. Yes, it's been more than thirty-five years, but one could hope.
I'm in mourning for that Remington rifle.
Excellent comparison. Thanks for your presentation.
This video was posted 30’seconds ago but I’m going to comment as if I watched the whole thing already…..hey Paul….you know you don’t SLAM the revolver ejector rod right?!?
Split casing!!!11!11!!!!
**pretends to drink whiskey like a little bitch**
@@dr.floridamanphd it’s too dangerous, you can’t damage your makeup hand
@Unknown User yeah, those steel cases sure like to stick. never buying those for a revolver again.
@@ricpla6930, good point, sir.
I am very glad to see the problem has been fixed and that the ar is still fixing problems just like it has been for about 70 years. Lol great video thanks
How about some holster testing?....ease of use, weapon holding strength etc
Do you keep the holster in the pocket of your 1982 vintage hunting jacket?
Buy a Safariland ALS. In my opinion it’s the best balance between speed and retention for duty use.
I love my Urban Carry Lockleather holster.
If you’re looking for AIWB I love the Tier 1 Concealment AGIS holster. Most comfortable holster I’ve ever worn for my Glock 19 and you have a spare mag.
I have two Urban Carry lock Leather holsters. Love em.
Before bad rifles go to sleep, they check under the bed for Paul Harrell.
At least Remington is keeping to their consistent (decade plus) tradition of producing crap. Great video as always!
I bought a 700 in .270 win circa 2008...I think I must have gotten some of the last nice rifles Remington made. It's an excellent shooter, easily shoots halfish MOA groups with the right handloads. It's taken a lot of deer and its fair share of varmints as well
@@AnarchAngel1 From what I have seen, most of the 700s around that time were still good. The problem was that far more bad ones came through then they should but that doesn't mean most or even a majority were bad.
@@AnarchAngel1 Ive got a broken watch that's right twice a day...
just messing with ya;
I love my 870's and even an 1894 "Remlin" manufactured in 2017.
That being said, it's unfortunate that a manufacturer as historic and beloved as Remington, has allowed poor production quality to stain an amazing name.
I hope they work out the problems and start producing the firearms we all know they are capable of.
Love the vid Paul. Good info and made me laugh. Great stuff, please keep it coming!