How Much Should you Pay for An Adventure Motorcycle? | Real World Comparison (KTM v. Moto Morini)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Why would we compare the off-road oriented, "race ready" KTM 890 Adventure R with the Chinese built, budget oriented Moto Morini X-Cape 649? It may seem an odd comparison, however, the question is, do you really get what you pay for by buying a premium adventure bike? How does the Moto Morini hold up to off roading against the KTM? What about on road performance and comfort? Reliability? We break it all down. #motorcycle #advrider #adv #dualsport #motorbike #ktm #motomorini
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00:00 Specs/Road Test
23:39 Off Road Test
38:11 Which Would We Buy
43:24 Reliability 
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EDIT: Our X-Cape was an early USA model... and details were still being sorted out. A few things that Moto Morini clarified for me post-production. Front suspension travel is 6.9 inches, not 6.3. Rear is 6.5, not 5.6. Weight is actually 514, not 520. Rear preload is adjustable without shock removal. They also pointed out that due to the closed cartridge forks, making some adjustments with compression clickers will make more difference that expected and can help with the bottoming. It's my fault for not taking more time during testing to adjust and re-test. Thanks.
Why not compare the Moto Morini to a V-Strom 650, CB500X or KLR650? We wanted to compare to a bike at twice the price to make a point. We will do other comparisons in the future. Sound off below if you think the KTM is worth the price of 2 X-Capes! (big thanks to Brandon for helping make this film)
X-Cape First Ride Review: ruclips.net/video/3ro-0utw6_o/видео.html
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Pls tag me when you do those reviews,
I don't wanna miss those reviews 😊😊
For 3k more you get a pan America special. 3x the bike.
I love Brandon’s one word summary during the intro. “No.”
For those of us that are travellers as opposed to off road riders , motorcycles that are reliable and and easy to maintain is preferred .
Aka the KTM then? ER6 I had, same platform as the Versys 650, which is the same platform as the Moto Morini was the least reliable bike i've ever had, KTM's 890 has been rock solid though.
That was my reason for choosing a T7 as a bike I built to ride on BDRs and to do the TAT. Simple electronics (none), proven engine makes for a hopefully very reliable package with easy fixes if things go south. Very capable off road that is also priced well.
@@ApocalypseNouille Yes except yamaha's rust to pieces which is the exact trait you don't want in an all weather adventure bike..
@@AntaresSQ01 Not my experience, but ok.
@@ApocalypseNouille I've had 4 long term tester Tracer 9s, 2 GTs and 2 standard, + an MT09. These bikes get more regular service than my own bikes and all of them without fail were covered in corrosion and rust all over. none were older than 2 years, and most of them were under 8k miles. Maybe the T7 is better but I've had this on MT07s too. No other bike rusts and gets corroded quite like modern yammies.
The Morini is a great looking bike. Two things about the cb500x: The engine is surprisingly entertaining, and it's 70 - 100lbs less than the Morini. That's a lot lbs-ses.
Excellent review. Two very different bikes but it was in my opinion a good comparison of whether you want a hardcore off-road bike with good road manners or a simple travelling bike with some decent off-road capabilities. Brandon was a nice addition as well, keep paying him with those water bottles!
Excellent! You got the point of the "comparison." We realize these are two very different tiers of bikes.
Hardcore offroad bike is not this whale, hardcore offroad bike is a 300cc ktm 2 stroke tho. So i dont know which niche huge powerful crossover like that fills.
I owned a CFMoto MT650 and it was the worst bike I have ever owned. I now am happy on my 800DE.
What kind of complaints did you had? I am going to get a CF 650...
@@markuswormann8852 The electronics are not good. with in 1k km my fuel tank sensor went, had the kickstand sensor go bad. When using kickstand to shut down bike (Motorcycle instructor way of doing it) would cause the ECU to mess up and you wouldn't be able to start the bike after with kick stand up with out being in neutral. Blew main fuse somehow, and the main is under the tank not in the fuse box. Some times it didn't start after a stall in neutral, you needed to pump clutch lever to reset the ecu. Poor quality build on the fairings, VERY VIBEY the 180 crank motor will make you feel it, Mirrors were awful they shook and you couldn't see anything out them. The fueling is horrible and the bike at slow speeds is jerky, the ride modes make no difference. Seat was no that comfortable and it allowed for no slide because it was way to grippy. The bike is poorly vented so hot air just blasts into your crotch, city communing in summer was not nice, I ended up making wind deflectors for the fairings. In the end I traded it for a Vstrom. Oh the the CFMoto app is just beyond useless and clunky.
@@Happypillz Thanks for your honesty impressions.That stuff no tester is telling you...
@@markuswormann8852 I recommend taking a nice long test ride which I didn't do. (Stupid I know) Go to a parking lot and do slow stuff. FYI the buffeting is pretty noticable I ended up buying an aftermarket screen. I ended up putting 4k on the bike so I did ride it enough to get a good judgment of it. The heat killed it for me.
That Morini is a seriously good looking bike. I've been riding long enough that I'd want something more like a Taureg, but the Morini would be an amazing casual or beginner bike.
I love all the new bikes, and the Tuareg is such an awesome bike, I absolutely love the suspension and the side profile of the bike, but it has really short gearing that isn't good for highway driving (apparently). As someone who has ridden for a long time, I absolutely hate modern motorcycle gear ratios, because they seem to be stuck in 3rd gear. There seems to be a law that prevents motorcycles from having an overdrive transmission. The manufacturers seem to want to destroy their own engines as planned obsolescence, by making the 6th gear way too low on every model. Even the Transalp is apparently geared way too low. I think people should refuse to purchase a motorcycle unless it has a 6th overdrive-imagine doing 2,800 rpms at 60mph (not 4,700 rpms)..
Your summary on the KTM 890 is probably the most honest review of the 890. The 890’s have quality control/questionable reliability issues but as an owner you live with that because of the performance. Completely my experience, when my current one goes it’ll be the the last though. KTM needs to improve its qc but these are not new issues to KTM so unlikely to change if it hasn’t by now. The Chinese manufacturer’s are well aware of their reputation in the west so at this point in time the reputable manufacturers with long term plans are probably going a step above to loose that reputation. The sit down chat at the end was really good!
Brandon here: so much this! Exactly how I feel. I am a reliability guy, but gosh darn the KTM keeps pulling me in. The riding experience is amazing. Our hard earned money needs more of KTM's respect so we can reliably count on the bike giving us that experience every time we want to go for a ride or not be stranded in Tierra del Fuego.
So far, those new KTMs i've heard, sound like sh*it can. Even the new 1290. Morini engine sounds better. 🙈 only thing that keeps KTM on top, is power, everything else is trash with them.
Can you provide some emperical data?@@TheKraanc
What a great vid! I'm usually a little dubious with collaborative reviews, cause a lot of the time they can be awkward, but you guys are a good team! Very informative, obviously awesome idea for a deep-dive discussion. Super neat stuff, thanks!
I just happy to see more and more affordable new motorcycle on the market again . Not everyone is fortunate enough to buy $16k plus as a motorcycle 🏍️.
Yes! We all win.
That's what used bikes are good for. You can buy a great design with high quality components that has already been tested and validated for the same price (or lower) than a brand new Chinese bike
Yep, used vehicles are a very important part of the vehicle market. Poor people, new people, people just wanting to dip their toe.
Great comparison. Enjoyed the back and forth aswell as the final sit down with both of you.
Brandon did a good job of being a part of this video and provide useful information in a clear way, props to him!
Buying a KTM seem to like a lottery.
My 2021 890 R at 32000 km / 20000 miles has had zero issues.
Valve check at 30000 km was perfect.
Cam loobes perfect.
But...
My first 890 had to be replaced due to gear box problem.
/Chris
Had the 890R, wouldn't consider a Chicom bike. I'm voting for the T7.
You’ll find the KTM parallel twin 889 cc engine is made in China. KTM engines have been made there for years. They make the V twin in Austria. To a lesser degree, some engines are sourced from India. They’re generally all good though.
Awesome job by Brandon! I was having a good laugh at his descriptions of his ride. More collaborations please!
Once again Ian and Brandon, A+. Entertaining and informative, what more could one ask for. Keep up the great work! (Please review the new Tracer 9 GT+, please) 🙂
Funny, clever production- you two bounce off each other well! And, I learnt something as usual...to keep watching you guys.
Thanks for watching!
The regular 890 Adventure gets a 24-month warranty. I think they give the R 12-months because if you ride the bike for the reason you bought it, it's likely to be pretty hammered.
only in the US though. Most other markets, if not all, the R model has a 24 month warranty.
In the EU its mandatory a 3 year minimum warranty for every bike@@k_plax
Think a comparison to the 390 Adventure would be nice. It's got a bunch of the KTM features as standard and slightly more off-road oriented.
Awesome video! Greatly enjoyed this, would love to see more videos like this one
“Feels like a Versys 650” is all I needed to hear. Owned one for years and never really cared for that Kawasaki p-twin. If only it would have had a 270 degree crank.
YES YES YES! So much this. I love its efficiency and reliability but it's a snooze fest of a motor and has all the aural charm of a congested vacuum cleaner.
Great video guys, cheers for the up-load 😎👍
Nice test! Thank you both!!! Next time please talk a bit about lights VS night drive and a drop&lift test. Cheers from Tuscan Hills 🎉
The morini is beautiful 😍😍😍😍
Excellent format Ian, like the approach from you both. Cheers.
If I was in the market for any adv bike I’d go the cheaper route cause I will NOT have to go to a dealer like the market is “training” us to do I.e. Desert X wants us. You look at the Desert X you have to visit a dealership🤣🤣🤣 That’s why the Japanese motorcycles took over mostly the world for that reliability… Almost everyone hates Chinese bikes where most of the engines today are built there!!! I think even BMW makes some there so what’s the hate for?? I’d love to get my hands on a T7 or a Transalp capable off road… Good stuff Ian
Well said.
Brandon is a great addition to your channel, I do enjoy his perspective. Now, regarding the comparison, I think a better choice would have been the CFmoto Ibex and Moto Morini both low priced Chinese Adv bikes.
As always, great, great review! Best on YT!
I am reluctant to buy the Chinese bikes so far, even if I needed a cheap first motorcycle. They are an unknown -they don't have history or legacy behind them (Even if some of them use the names of defunct motorcycle brands, such as Morini). We don't know how reliable or safe they are, or if/how many corners they cut to get to that price. I don't want to take the risk.
I tend to agree. The only thing I can point to is countries like Africa are packed full of small Chinese duel sports and motor bikes for a long time now. It’s all pretty new here for the US market. For those of us used to Honda type reliability it’s tough to stray even for a few grand in savings.
In the ATV world I have seen a lot of reviews of CF Moto quads and you get a lot for your money. Unfortunately I feel like the majority of reviews are more paid sales advertisements than objective. I could be wrong but they just give me that feeling.
Central and South America is packed of Chinese bikes, but the majority are simple small displacement bikes, so they are basically copies of the Japanese motors from the 70's ,
Fortunately here in the USA the pre owned market is very good for those who want to have a reliable bike at a good price.
Great review guys very informative couldn’t ask for anymore thank you 🙏
You've got to admit, the Morini is a more attractive machine (even though just about everything else is worse)
Perhaps I put too much faith in Japanese quality control, but I wouldn't really consider anything not made by Honda, Suzuki, or Kawasaki. It's the main reason why I haven't already sold my CB500X and bought an Aprilia Tuareg 660.
Awesome review guys, really love this review, I've been eyeing this Morini for a while now and you guys made me fall in love with it more even though I know I cannot afford one, it will take me more than 15yrs to save to buy one of the Morini, I just keep watching videos of it since there's no way I can afford one here in Ghana, West Africa.... Thank you guys ❤❤❤
Reading your comment,make me kind of sad.🙁As a Motorcycle passionate man,I can feel your way.I am not a wealthy man here in Germany,but it want take 15 yrs of save for me.
I wish you all the best my friend.May God give you all the joy in life for free.🎉❤
Great review, nice comparison.
Thank you!!
Hello guys, thank you for the excellent review!. I live in Argentina where the economics are crazy as you may know. I bought 10 days ago an X-CAPE 650 brand new and I´m really loving it. Here the price is 13000 US dollars!, but the Suzuki V-strom 650 is 24000 US dollars, so it's a no brainer!
Saw a few Morini’s at my Guzzi dealer. Sharp looking bikes. X- Cape is a heavy bike. However, the lack of dealer network in the US makes the bike irrelevant, good luck getting it fixed or parts.
Fixed and parts no problems, it's getting to a dealer for the warranty period that's a problem. It's cfmoto engine and frame. Copy of versys so anyone that can work on will be familiar with this.
Don't want to be hundreds of miles from a dealer when it breaks
its kawa engine cf moto or anyoen can do. online parts
Good review as usual, thanks. I'll keep my 22 CB500X, thanks all the same. After 8,400 miles on it, not a single issue. It's Honda, reliable, from a company that builds 18 million bikes a year, with a huge support system, etc. It looks good because it was designed by the Italians, has a lot of features, but the problem is that it is built by the Chinese with their near slave labor costs, so what could go wrong. What is "good" factory support from China, three weeks waiting for a parts to clear customs, I think not. Chinese have a issue of quality control after the initial product is shipped, after which it goes down the toilet. That is why there are half million foreigners in China to oversee the production of their company's products to insure the quality of the material use and manufacturing remains the same. However, it may start the trend of the established companies to start putting cruise control on the lower end bikes.
Hi fixento. Actually, we have our Moto Morini USA Headquarters based in Irvine, CA that has a massive inventory of replacement parts and accessories. And the bikes come with a extraordinary 3 Year Unlimited Mileage Warranty. Have a nice day.
No matter what you purchase in life. You will always pay double the price, for the top item. Just to gain the 10%, over the item that is in second place. This comparison also works, when comparing women. 😎
TBH, as ridiculously more expensive as the KTM is, it feels like double the riding excitement in the power and suspension.
@@BrandonC610you won't be ussing those exta HP anyways, think again Rossi.
@@JoseAlvarez-dl3hmTouche! I'm a power junky. 😁That's why I own a KTM and my wife the Versys.
Great duo, i like how you roasted friendly each other at start and then after riding, both were humble =)
Lack of cruise control is honestly a hard stop … I think many who have had CC and covered lots of miles may feel the same
I bought a cruise control for my 98 Honda for $9.00 on Amazon. Of course it’s not as nice as a built in electronic one, but it works to give the hand a short break. To be fair, I rarely use cruise control even in cars.
Id love to have adaptive CC on my cb500x. Id prb pay $2,000 for it lol
@@ducati135 on my bmw r1200rt I use it all the time because trying to manage speed intuitively is a recipe for meeting cops 😂
It was my biggest hang up with the bike. After more than a month since we filmed this, I find the bike even more compelling. Excellent value for the money.
We all survived the last 40+ years without cruise control - part of the riding experience imo.
Cool review. The new kid on the block is interesting. Biggest problem for me is that it's impossible to know how good it is until it's been on the road for a few years. Reliability is key, and for now an unknown factor.
Hey guys, thanks for being honest and real. Really appreciate what you do.
Can you do a video about finding Adventure/Dual Sport riding schools? How do we know a good one from a not so good? Are there national or regional groups known for having great training? Skills like riding in sand/loose gravel, hopping over small fallen trees/potholes/ruts, taking short steep slopes up/down a foot or two at the end of pavement.... the basics mostly. Well I am sure info for all skill level riders would be helpful. Every time I search I find only a couple and there are either no new classes available or they are sold out. Maybe there is specific search terms I should be using besides Adventure Riding Class/school/training?
This spring I was in Italy for 2 months. The Moto Morini was one of the most seen bikes around.
Great video! More Brandon and conparos, please! I'd like to see your opinion on the 1290 R. I know you don't have a video so maybe you have a problem getting one. I'm curious how it compares to a desert x. Seems a strange comparison, but they're about the same price in the real world. Both great on and off road as advertised.
I have taken my Honda Shadow off road a few times, and it was an adventure. I no longer do that after three tube flats, and two tires.
Outstanding reviews, Brandon and Ian. Exceptionally unbiased. Sounds like a better adjustable rear shock, slightly more travel with good compression and rebound adjustments on it (Ohlin?) would really help this bike out. Brembo's are another big + for brake feel. The sit down review at the end is where the value in this video lies. Very, very good point and counter points by two very knowledgeable and credible seasoned Adventure bike owners, calling it out like it is, no sugar coating, no BS.
Thanks! 👍
Great comparison :) Will you be reviewing the Honda Transalp 750? 😎
AS all ways very enlightening. I decided on a 23 klr as my last bike. Based largely on three reviews, and having owned a gen 1. You might increase subscription base; if as well as reviewing some less expensive bikes, which you do, that you also include some inexpensive riding gear. Yes we would all like to own the best, but budget rules many of us. Thank you for the work you do.
They should add cruise control and standard luggage racks and position it as an all-road travel bike.
Well done, great comparison review.
You guys answered a lot of questions us budget oriented folks are looking for!?✌️
Glad you enjoyed it!
While my 2023 ktm 890 adv r has been sitting at the dealer for the past month for a failed abs unit I somewhat question my choice after only owning the bike for 3 months now. Makes me really wonder how the 12 month warranty will go now that 1/12 of it has allready been used up sitting in the dealers mechanics bay.
Shoot man that sucks. I just got the extendo warranty for my 390 just in case anything like this would happen.
@@Ntmoffi funny part is with all the electronics a faulty abs pump caused my headlight to stay on killing my battery while i was at work. Forcing me to use a jump box just to get home. KTM is trying to not cover the repair under warranty because i jumped the bike.
@@FITFO well I'd raise hell then. It's a faulty part which is their problem. Also, never tell them you jumped it whether it's a motorcycle or your car. 😂
@@Ntmoffi ikr the idea in the beginning was to try and speed up troubleshooting with the mechanics so I was as descriptive as possible with videos of the headlight staying on randomly after the key was pulled out even though the abs/mtc light had come on before that. According to the dealer, we have t reached the part of the proccess yet where ktm says or not whether they will cover it or not. We are still in the troubleshooting phase (one month in) but the dealer is already fighting ktm on it. If it comes to it I will raise all hell. There should be no reason I HAVE TO JUMP START A 2 MONTH OLD BIKE!
Excuse my ignorance but why is jumping starting a motorcycle an issue?
Was close to getting the xcape as my first bike but decided for off road was better off with the Himalayan and I didnt want to spend over 10k.
Next bike Id like a Tenere maybe, sat on one recently loved it! Or maybe will trade up my Himalayan for the new one.
Am kinda in love with my Himmy though as its nice to bimble along...(as it stands).
Good choice!
Makes me want a Himalayan on sale now for $4,300 😂
This was interesting! I'm really pining after the 890 and trying to talk myself out of it. Currently on an '18 Africa Twin AS and while I like a lot of things about it, the weight is just too intimidating for me to take it off-road with my lack of dirt experience. I'm not worried about the 890's power as I'd be able to use the electronics to dial it down off-road. I do miss having a more powerful bike-don't *need* it, still want it.
The Morini is 8/10 the price of a Tenere.... You save 20% and get a Chinese bike in Italian drags without a dealer network and unproven QC....
At 5k? Sure! 6?....meh, lemme think...8?! No way.
P.s.
I was born in a morini household. My first rides on a bike were on the back of my dad's Morini 125 up and down the Dolomites.
6/10 of the price here...
Ian, try to adjust the spoiler to almost horisontal. I have found that to be the best position. More wind at throat area but no buffeting. I have Rade Garage tower. It's terrible withot a spoiler in horusontal position. Only slightly tilted up.
Counterintuitive but it works.
/Chris
Great watch 👍
Jan, thanks for super video.
I'm waiting for Kove 800x on US and European market.
It should be shock for Moto socjety.
Greatings from Europę
Czarek
Excellent review.
You failed to mention the Tenere 700, enough, seeing the t7 is not that much expensive. You mentioned the Tuareg 660 more, which is a notch up on the Yamaha price.
What a fun review and comparison with some KTM snob-like and friendly ribbing :)
The X-Cape looks and capability make it seem like a strong challenger and a bit more "adventure/dakar" "adventure-trail" style and capability compared to the more road-style "adventure-touring" bikes like the Versys. If a KLR price was appealing but you want more "adventure" and less "dirt bike" styling plus a smoother engine, this seems like a good choice. Lets be honest, that price range and capabilities is going to make meet the needs of most weekend and commuter riders.
Your numbers are wrong, every KTM dealer adds freight, assembly, dealer fees, plus the $800 fee KTM wants to unlock the dash. Those fees add another $3500 to the KTM price. The Moto Morini dealers in Az are advertising "No added dealer fees" . You pay MSRP plus tax, title, license.
You are so right about the skill vs the bike. Thirty-five years ago, I could drag the pegs consistently because I was fresh out of training, and I rode about 362 days a year. Now, I am slow as can be. Maybe it is age.
Morini for me. Thx for the video guys!
@BigRockMoto I'd love to see you do the same kind of review for the GPX FSE 300R in comparison to both the Euro and Japanese bikes in its class. I've heard the GPX described as a "Euro chassis with a a trail engine" and I admit I'm intrigued about that. Would be amazing to see you review it and compare.
Fun. Thanks!
Only 1yr warranty on the KTM? They are not confident leaving the factory.
I’ve had my 2023 890 R since May, 5400 almost troublefree Central Oregon miles. Except for hard, cold starts and a fast, slow leak on the front tire (new Motoz desert h/t’s fixed that) the new tires did increase the stand over height, stock tires sucked. Watch the kickstand bolt, my backs out even with lock tite. I’m happy w/ the KTM.
Keep Brandon around! That guy is awesome! You guys are like Batman and Robin😂. But I’ll let you decide who is who. Great video as always Ian!
Highly enjoyable review! Not some chatgpt based opinion piece, without the heart and soul you put into this.
I appreciate that!
You should pay $15,700. Which is what my Norden 901 Expedition costs. 😉😁
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Another great video Ian! Appreciate ya! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Where was the off road section filmed in this episode? My son and I want to check it out.
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226 kpa is 1bar / 100 so 2.26bar. 2bar is around 30psi. you can put x bar to psi in google it calculates.
I do that constantly when reading about tire pressures online in your weird imperial units
With the Suzuki v-storm 650xt,800de, out their. All depends on your height and inseam good choices for new riders or experience riders for the price ! Enjoy the comparison of both bikes thank you
Bought an 800DE for my first ADV bike last weekend. Loving it so far.
WHERE ARE THE CRASH BARS
i would like your thoughts on ,better rear shock,fork if needed, and is there options to unlock some ponies, the price for these ,then how does it compare,is it closer in spec vs $ to the ktm
I enjoyed the lighter side of you. Good video.
Kind of an apples to pears comparason with theese two... As som much else in life - all comes down to how much you are able/willing to pay.
I therefore appreciate when you compare the Morini to other bikes that would be interesting for a buyer - in apx the same (similar) price range.
Very interesting to hear you compare it to Honda 500x and bikes like it.
I would wait until it has been on the market for a while to try to get a feeeling of the build quality.
Chinese build, thought out by Italian really makes me hesitate. But I've been wrong before (once in the mid 90's I think it was...).
You are the best on motorcycle rewievs!!
Brandon here: Right! Italy and China collaboration doesn't automatically give you the warm fuzzies for reliability potential, but the Xcape really impressed me with its "Versys" like feel. If I didn't know better, I would have believed the test bike was Japanese.
@@BrandonC610 Dont know where engines are made theese days...
I wouldnt be surprised if Kawasakis Versys 650 engine is made in the same factory. Maybe even the Chineese bought the old engine from Kawasaki to label their own.
In that case you can hope for some Kawasaki quality, and that would be a game changer!
Nice Morini...just like CF Moto 790MT
Great comparo. I’m still going to stay with the 3 bike program having realized one can’t do it all.
Yes! More bikes is usually the right answer. 🙂
Nice video 💯
Really love the KTMs but this 890 is just not an adventure bike. It outperforms most of the competition, but adventure is not a race...
No reliability, not comfy for long distances and too much power, at the end of the day you love it, as long you are near your dealer.
On the other hand the 650 is another class closer to an adventure bike. A daily commuter on which you can turn to any dirt road you like...
Hope to see you on the new gs900 or a desertX ✌️
Can you do a comparison like that with the desert x and the KTM? I would love to see that
Ian
Excellent review video! My Mannequin watched it twice. Great job. He thinks the Moto Morini will get better with the feedback from riders. He also thinks TC and a few riding modes will make it a winner. But, he's just a Dummy...
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The Morini is a great looking bike. It would suit me more than the KTM as i like to cruise off-road and take in the scenery. The dealer network just needs to mature a bit.
26:24 I've rode with him one time and thats what he did to dork in the road and me
Cool video but what would have been perfect was having a middle ground in price, like the vstrom 800 or the transalp (I know still not in the US) or the tenere
Agree, we'd have loved to do that comparison.
we get totally shafted on the cost of bikes in Australia. $27K for that KTM 890R. They have the new KTM 500 EXC-F selling for $20K
Hey man can you review the triumph rocket 3
Only what I would like to add on Morini is slippery clutch
V Strom has tubeless tires! Good video.
How about the xl750 Transalp vs KTM 890? Upgraded suspension on the Transalp, cruise control option can it beat off the possible unreliable KTM and super sticker price?
Brandon is always a great counterpoint addition on dual-ride evaluations. Based on this in-depth on-pavement/off-pavement review, I will definitely consider a Morini. I will definitely not consider a KTM because overall reliability is more important to me than features and hyper-performance.
I’m sorry, do you think a Morini is more reliable than a KTM?
Brandon here: time will only tell, but owning a Versys (which the Morini is heavily derived from) and having thrashed on it, no immediate concerns came up for me on assembly and parts quality - dare I say, it felt very "Japanese."
Ridden some other big name bikes I won't call out over the past 2 years that didn't seem nearly as well built and cost 3x as much, no joke.
Also, owning a newish KTM middle weight, I truly have more confidence in the reliability of this unknown bike compared to recent KTM efforts. It hurts me to say that since the performance envelope is unmatched and I've spent my own hard earned money on it. It will be interesting to see if the durability proves itself and more so, the parts supply and aftermarket farkle network.
You forgot to compare resale value & resale-ability of these two bikes. Frankly, I think the Moto-Morini would be tough to sell even if it was in good condition and not that old. Not so much of a problem with the KTM, I think .
We have to be realistic in the appreciation of the money paid.
Just as a visual opinion, (& 18 years ownership of a GS1150-adv) I'd suggest huge improvement for the Moto Morini would be.
Quality hand guards, (barkbusters !) A proper sump guard, OE off road tyres, & an option to have the front wheel mud guard lifted away from the tyre. Done. 👍
Re- Wind noise & buffeting, My GS is far better with the screen REMOVED ! Anything over 55mph (90kmp) & the buffeting & noise
is mentally debilitating. Maybe the Moto Morini might also feel better without the screen. ?
Ian, I'm following the Tuareg compilations, That bike is ticking a lot of boxes for me, 👍
Thanks for the Vids.
Paid $5300 for my 2017 VStrom 650...brand new. It just goes on dirt roads and is an amazing two lane touring bike,
CF Moto has been making engines in China for KTM for years. Now KTM Own CF Moto.
I found that on my 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI that the wheel strip over the spokes was approx. 70% not over the spokes.
So I replaced it with a couple rounds of black heavy duty Gorilla tape as many shops do for dirt bikes. This was on both wheels.
This probably is the issue with the 890's as you mentioned. Maybe all KTM's?
It's not the size of your TFT but how you use it... geeze. 😏
Other than that, I'd like to see Moto Morini bring the rear travel to the full 6" like the front and slacken the head angle just a bit.
In Australia the CF moto 650 MT adventure type bike has a good TFT screen , big crash bars , and sells for $8290 AUD new.
The Kawasaki Versys 650 2023 model sells for $13500 AUD.
Buy the CF moto you save over $5000…sat on one they appear superficially to be very well put together , no creaks and groans when sitting on the seat .
Solid and aesthetically pleasing 3 yr unlimited km warranty .
But going from observation at local bike shops …a low km CF moto is selling for $6000 .
A low km Versys of similar age ( less than a year ) sells for approx $11000.
In three years a Versys 650 will sell for approx $8000
A CF moto approx $3000.
You go to trade in a CF moto on a $15000 new bike you pay approx $13000 after trade in value of approx $2000.
A Versys 650 traded in on a new $15000 bikes you will pay approx $ 8000 after trade in value of approx $7000.
So over three years the total cost of the bikes is approx the same …. When it comes time to trade.
The whole point though is how often do new Versys buyers find themselves with a bike in the mechanics shop gettting fixed ?
We shall see how long CF moto riders sit with unrideable bikes over 3 yrs …having a 3 yr warranty isn’t much use if you have multiple issues and can’t ride your bike to work or leisure .
It’s a tough choice …mega cheaper Chinese bike …that might be reliable and parts available …that might… have dealers all around the country soon ….Against a proven much more proven yet expensive Japanese bike …with good parts availability and a dealer in every major town and city .
Throwing a spanned in the works the CF moto appeared to be built just as good as a Suzuki Vstrom sitting in the same shop.
Question for you. A lot is being made and likely rightly so that there are not a lot of dealerships currently and it will take years to change significantly. But…given that this bike uses the Kawasaki engine and has so many components that are very familiar to those dealerships…is it fair or safe to say that you could take the Xcape to a Kawasaki.dealership and have them do anything related to oil changes, value adjustments and other engine relations service. Is too much (perhaps) being made of the lack of dealerships? Love your thoughts here?