Finding 2023's toughest adventure bike | Ducati v KTM v Yamaha v Triumph v Husqvarna on/off-road MCN

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  • Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
  • #adventure #Motorbike #test
    #Ducati #KTM #Yamaha
    We spent a few days in Sicily testing the best hardcore adventure bikes on- and off-road to find the 2023 winner. Watch the film now, and read each individual review below.
    Ducati Desert X: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-r...
    Yamaha Ténéré 700 World Raid: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-r...
    KTM 890 Adventure R: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-r...
    Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-r...
    Husqvarna Norden 901 Expedition: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-r...
    Insurance quotes based on a 51-year-old male engineer, married, licence held for 9 years, 8 years NCB, no claims or convictions, for social, domestic and pleasure use. Bike is garaged with postcode WA14 4FB and annual mileage of 5000 miles
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  • @barryrose4850
    @barryrose4850 8 месяцев назад +56

    I’m a ktm man but that Ducati is making my wallet twitch. Great video 🏁

    • @motorcyclenewsdotcom
      @motorcyclenewsdotcom  8 месяцев назад +2

      Nice!!

    • @jackson_foto
      @jackson_foto 8 месяцев назад +12

      I went from an 890 ADV R to a Desert X. Zero regrets!

    • @mototrailz
      @mototrailz 8 месяцев назад +23

      Of course the Desert X is better on the road because its suspension are suited for road use but they are horrible off-road especially the rear shock. On the other hand KTM suspensions are amazing off-road but not horrible on road.
      Ducati has a metal tank, really top heavy, impossible to get to the air filter without spending 1h30mins on the bike. Finally KTM is cheaper...so yeah KTM should have been 1st. unless you spend 80 to 90% on the road and therefore a Multistrada or BMW would be a better choice.

    • @tinozampano
      @tinozampano 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@mototrailz You are talking BS, to be brutally honest my friend. But I can feel your frustration as a KTM owner.

    • @brucekendall52
      @brucekendall52 8 месяцев назад +9

      @@mototrailz Your point on air filter is a 100% correct and a deal breaker if you ride proper dirt.

  • @HellDiver_02
    @HellDiver_02 8 месяцев назад +72

    Aprilia Tuareg 660 is missing...i would have loved it in this comparison as T7 is here so why not tuareg?

    • @CuriousGoose
      @CuriousGoose 8 месяцев назад +1

      Hippo Drones has loads of videos on the Tuareg 660

    • @cliff1551
      @cliff1551 8 месяцев назад

      V strom

    • @rjwz28
      @rjwz28 8 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@cliff1551 😂 no

    • @_hold_the_line_
      @_hold_the_line_ 8 месяцев назад

      They are pretty flimsy, saw video of one dropped once and steering all wonky, another video of the whole tower broken off from a simple drop. Something like Yamaha you can drop all day and just scratch the paint.

    • @livingonarock5547
      @livingonarock5547 6 месяцев назад +2

      I abuse mine and have over 15 drops at multiple speeds and even fractured my ankle on a steep technical rocky climb. My crash guards are fully scratched and the tube is even dented but never broke anything on the bike itself. It gets up and shakes it off.

  • @curtishaden-cd6qf
    @curtishaden-cd6qf 8 месяцев назад +15

    Ranked in order of advertising $$ and contributions made to MCN in 2023:
    1 Ducati
    2 KDM
    3 Triumph
    4 Husqvarna
    5 Yamaha

    • @bchdds
      @bchdds 6 месяцев назад +1

      Sadly you are probably probably right, this is what RUclips has turned Into no doubt!

  • @tomarmstrong9722
    @tomarmstrong9722 8 месяцев назад +30

    Four Italian test riders, testing adventure bikes in Sicily, choose the Ducati - What a surprise!😆

    • @Rayban.720
      @Rayban.720 8 месяцев назад +1

      Don t be ENVY tom

  • @JohnnoandGuyTheDirectors
    @JohnnoandGuyTheDirectors 8 месяцев назад +123

    Sounded like the Triumph should have been fifth?

    • @shegocrazy
      @shegocrazy 8 месяцев назад

      Why?

    • @readytoriderentals6597
      @readytoriderentals6597 8 месяцев назад +20

      Yup I agree. His feedback on the triumph didn’t line up with 3rd at all

    • @babyfknblu
      @babyfknblu 8 месяцев назад +6

      felt like decently heavily road biased testing to me... but then again for me even 50/50 would be too road biased

    • @vwchris1119
      @vwchris1119 8 месяцев назад +9

      Triumph always gets the Brit bump.

    • @thedogandduck1712
      @thedogandduck1712 8 месяцев назад

      This presenter is useless.

  • @seanfarley8382
    @seanfarley8382 8 месяцев назад +38

    Shocked you placed the triumph above the Husky

  • @moorepower13
    @moorepower13 8 месяцев назад +31

    Nice to see the simple drz400 come out on top yet again.

  • @davidwood974
    @davidwood974 8 месяцев назад +11

    I purchased the Norden this year, having a blast off and on road

  • @jeffbroadway1381
    @jeffbroadway1381 8 месяцев назад +70

    Not sure when a 500lbs plus ADV became a middle weight ! The Tuareg 660 and the standard T7 are the class of the "middle weight" class.

    • @mototrailz
      @mototrailz 8 месяцев назад +8

      KTM 890 R is lighter than a T7 ...

    • @brianpostlethwaite
      @brianpostlethwaite 8 месяцев назад +9

      @@mototrailz Standard T7 is 450lbs or 204kg KTM 890 is 478lbs 216kg Small difference but noteable. KTM carries more fuel thus heavier.

    • @readytoriderentals6597
      @readytoriderentals6597 8 месяцев назад +10

      Having owned 790,890 and t7, I’ll tell you Offroad the t7 feels like a fraction of the size. The ktms feel like a big whale in a China shop.
      Well, yes, it is true the Ktm has better suspension, more power, and better brakes, and more comfortable on the highway, the T7 is much more confident inspiring and easier to manage when you need to manhandle a bike through technical terrain.
      Most people measure the Ktm in a straight line through bumpy rocks and think it’s better because the suspension is better in a straight line. But try getting off the gravel road and going slow speed and maneuvering through creek, beds, and canyons on real life adventures. Turning those ktm bikes In real life terrain, the Ktm it’s like trying to handle a bull in a China shop.
      T7 much more nimble and able to finesse in 1-3 gear trails. Ktm only really good if you’re going faster through technical terrain like 3-5 gear.

    • @Rdissss
      @Rdissss 8 месяцев назад

      I on the other hand have also had the standard T7, 701 and now 901 Expedition and the 901 is by far better balanced and easier to handle than the T7. The T7 just wanted to tip over all the time and felt overall just cheap in comparison.@@readytoriderentals6597

    • @mototrailz
      @mototrailz 8 месяцев назад

      @@readytoriderentals6597 well i did the lockhart bassin with a T7 and a ktm 890 and yes the geometry of the bike of the T7 is good in the tight stuff but the suspension are so terrible to the point that i broke the kickstand switch (thank god easy fix). On the other hand the 890 gave me better confidence and it never bottomed out and it's not top heavy like the T7. Once you go pass a certain angle on the T7 it's game over. The ktm 890 is the only big bike that does not intimidate you when you go into a gnarly trail like the lockhart bassin.
      ruclips.net/video/8bMhgrKvTVM/видео.html

  • @MotoSwagger
    @MotoSwagger 8 месяцев назад +42

    Another great review guys, mid ADV bikes are my passion! As an owner of a standard but modified T7 I'm biased but would only take this through the Australian Outback out of the lot - the same reason why Landcruisers are used here, reliability and survivability are key factors over performance... having said that I do like the Desert X and KTM 890

    • @alexgordon5227
      @alexgordon5227 8 месяцев назад +15

      I have T7 modified with Ohlins, etc, and just bought myself a DesertX. And I prefer T7 off-road much more.

    • @Birdfeeder795
      @Birdfeeder795 8 месяцев назад

      I’m just gonna leave this here. Ducati DX across Australia.
      ruclips.net/video/xm_kgRz6kRs/видео.htmlsi=CTwWWmk3G7HjFNYi

  • @peterkurth8226
    @peterkurth8226 8 месяцев назад +13

    I was missing the Aprilia Tuareg 660 and the new Suzuki 800 DE in this test!!

  • @tinozampano
    @tinozampano 8 месяцев назад +14

    Fully agree. The Desert X is very capable off and onroad. I may tell this after 18 months on the beauty and much of it on the pegs...
    Regarding maintenance: Ducati has the longest intervals of them all (!) and is unexpectedly inexpensive. Air filter is simply never a problem IF you do not use it Down Under 🤠
    The weight, at the same fuel level, is not much more than the T7, which I also move quite often.
    IMO: T7 slightly better performing on hardcore trails but a disaster on the road. Duc is a powerfull dream came true ❤

  • @jamescampbell4334
    @jamescampbell4334 5 месяцев назад +2

    I've put 8k miles on my 2023 DesertX in 8 months, absolutely stellar motorcycle. Around 2k miles have been off-road.
    Had a set of Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tires installed when the STRs wore out. I'm now riding the DDX 'supermoto' style on the street. Backing it into turns, powersliding out, sometimes lifting the front wheel just for the fun of it.
    Ducati has worked its magic in developing the DesertX. No other motorcycle comes close to its mind warping capabilities.

  • @TriAngles3D
    @TriAngles3D 8 месяцев назад +46

    Yamaha T7 is the bike I'd take on long adventure trails.
    Several reasons, but no silly electronics is up there on top.

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад +15

      The old electronics thing 🤣🤣🤣 it's 2023 not the year 2010 🤣🤣

    • @neilrichardson3986
      @neilrichardson3986 8 месяцев назад +2

      Desert x,my next bike ❤

    • @TriAngles3D
      @TriAngles3D 8 месяцев назад +15

      @@Rust_valleyracing I am a mechatronics engineer...I design things like this.
      But after work I like to ride my bikes not my computers...

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@TriAngles3D you clearly need to get a better paying job to buy a desert x 🤣🤣 I repair bikes , the t7 build quality is like a Fisher price children's toy ,,,,,, garbage . I'll put my old honda xr650r against the t7 any day of week and it will run circles around one on road and offroad and 10 times more reliable than a t7 or any bike built in last 20 plus years , my old xr600r and tt600r will wipe the floor with a t7 for reliability and offroad performance 🤣 on the desert x you press 1 button and all the electronics are turned off , if electronics so bad why is next years T7 getting a quick shifter and a few more electronic tweaks 🤣 you clearly butt hurt the T7 come in last 🤣🤣🤣

    • @MotoGuzziMoto
      @MotoGuzziMoto 8 месяцев назад +20

      Said it was a test of the toughest bike. Hmm, try dropping the bike in 1m of water then clear out the water from the engine and keep riding, ride it off the edge of the road at speed, ride it across the desert in 50 degrees c in Morocco, and through muddy trails in Thailand. Then come back and tell me the T7 came last.

  • @mattguzzim1744
    @mattguzzim1744 8 месяцев назад +21

    Why is the Aprilia Taureg 660 missing!!!!

    • @deanharris9331
      @deanharris9331 8 месяцев назад +1

      Just what I thinking as well.

    • @ShortInterestFilms
      @ShortInterestFilms 8 месяцев назад +5

      Probably due to advertising spend with MCN, who are an ad space after all. Aprilia don’t seem to have a big marketing budget so they probably get overlooked. I’d be interested to hear from MCN why they missed it out.

  • @PwnstarUK
    @PwnstarUK 8 месяцев назад +22

    Great video, surprised the Desert X won over the KTM. There is a KTM 890 R RALLY though,the R is 2nd from top. And I’d want a Tuareg in this test also.

    • @Xplorer.Adventures
      @Xplorer.Adventures 8 месяцев назад +4

      Strange, isn't it? Especially as advertised as HARDCORE test. Ducati, sure, will perform better on pavement but is not even close to Norden in the off - let alone the KTM.

    • @briangc1972
      @briangc1972 5 месяцев назад

      I compared the Tuareg to the Desert X and chose it even though it has less power.

  • @martinbarabe4643
    @martinbarabe4643 8 месяцев назад +11

    Have now 6k km on my DDX. Cannot find anything wrong with it. Loving this bike. Using it 50/50.
    I put on semi rigid rear luggage, crash bars, skid plate, double take mirrors and bark buster hand guards. Now almost bulletproof. Not afraid to take it off road. Love the handling on road.

  • @canerverdi9955
    @canerverdi9955 8 месяцев назад +9

    If you put T7 in this comparision, you should have added Tuareg as well. and what about Transalp and Vstrom ?

    • @peterkurth8226
      @peterkurth8226 8 месяцев назад

      ja genau, die fehlen alle - warum wohl?!

  • @GregoryYepes
    @GregoryYepes 7 месяцев назад

    What an amazing showdown! Thanks for sharing!

  • @AmChris13
    @AmChris13 7 месяцев назад +7

    Im very interested in seeing where the F900GS is going to end up on next years list.

  • @g.skroderis1587
    @g.skroderis1587 8 месяцев назад +12

    Nice test, thank you, still would love to see Aprilia Tuareg 660, since it ranks really high in other tests for Off-road. I believe you can trou out Triumph it is not resonating with me. :)

  • @MrSi73
    @MrSi73 8 месяцев назад +7

    So the Italian bike won in Italy, previously the KTM 690 Enduro won when the test was at the KTM off road centre in Wales.
    Great video but becoming a little predictable

  • @Rohit-fd9nl
    @Rohit-fd9nl Месяц назад

    liked even before watching thank you great content.

  • @terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff
    @terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff 8 месяцев назад +18

    The Rally & Rally Pro has a specific off-road preload setup front and rear to rake it out and steady the front end. Did you adjust the adjustable suspension when using it off road as Triumph suggest in the user manual?

    • @mathewwoodward9728
      @mathewwoodward9728 7 месяцев назад +4

      As ever, I suspect this is yet another review of the RP where it wasn’t actually set up for off road as per the manual, then the reviewer suggests that it didn’t feel right off road.

  • @QuackLoud
    @QuackLoud 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great review. I'll be honest I didn't expect you to pick the Ducati, but it fits with what I'm hearing. Thanks.

  • @AngelPlayStar
    @AngelPlayStar 8 месяцев назад +4

    The only one I see in rally competitions is the T7

  • @flexywing
    @flexywing 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great test, thanks guys

  • @daveo9844
    @daveo9844 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the review 🍻

  • @philipparana9225
    @philipparana9225 8 месяцев назад +6

    The 890 and the norden have the exact same brakes and abs system, same calipers brake lines rotors and pads.

    • @Rdissss
      @Rdissss 8 месяцев назад +3

      Basically the same tank and center of gravity as well.

  • @toltod
    @toltod 8 месяцев назад +4

    Ducati and Husqvarna are the two competing for my garage. Nice Review.

  • @defylifeadventure
    @defylifeadventure 8 месяцев назад +12

    Nice video, and commendable that MCN used a control tyre. Something other videos often miss. IMO we could have done with more action from the actual riding. Also how does the Norden fall below the Tiger given your criticisms of the Tiger were plenty and the Noreen's only criticism was that it wasn't the KTM. Also a bit strange that you're in Italy and completely ignored the Aprilia. The title of the video is "2023's toughest adventure bike" and whilst I don't doubt the Desertx is the most fun, it's far from the most toughest. Drop it a few times and you'll find the KTM is much tougher.

  • @shegocrazy
    @shegocrazy 8 месяцев назад +7

    These bikes are still too big to be hard core off road bikes. Too expensive as well.

  • @jthelakes147
    @jthelakes147 8 месяцев назад +3

    Thank you, interesting review. Pity that you could not include the Aprilia 660 Tuareg, which appears to be getting very good reviews.

  • @raivisverdins5091
    @raivisverdins5091 8 месяцев назад +11

    Whats the reason there is no Aprilia Tuareg 660 in this test? Did no got it? Cos that thing would spark up that company 🙂

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад +2

      It broke down on the way to the test 😂😂😂

    • @duncanorr5926
      @duncanorr5926 8 месяцев назад +1

      I thought the same thing. They never seem to include it in these tests. Seems like the perfect balance to me

    • @raivisverdins5091
      @raivisverdins5091 8 месяцев назад

      I just finished my Romanian Trans Euro Trail on my Tuareg. Baby head sharp rocks on steep hills, huge washouts, really rough riding there. She hadled like a star. Just broke side stand sensor on rocks. But same thing on my mates Africa Twin.. just connected wires and off we were. Fantastic bike!

    • @justsomedude445
      @justsomedude445 8 месяцев назад

      i wish there was an Aprillia dealer near me id have for sure at least looked at that bike but sadly the nearest dealer is 3 hours and 2 mt passes away from me so thats a deal killer @@raivisverdins5091

    • @francescoporcari8597
      @francescoporcari8597 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@Rust_valleyracing cheap joke, superficial person

  • @fishtigua
    @fishtigua 8 месяцев назад +8

    As a 99% road guy, Triumph for me.

    • @johnwilde4953
      @johnwilde4953 Месяц назад

      Genuine question here, not trolling - but if you are a 99% road guy, why would you consider any of these bikes? They are all quite compromised in order to provide some level of off-road ability. I would have thought there were lots of bikes that are far better for the road that any of these?

  • @deepakdongre7712
    @deepakdongre7712 8 месяцев назад +25

    Lovely comparison video there. But as an enthusiast who's also cautious on the wallet- it would be great if the overall cost of ownership could also be included say in a year's time. For me the toughest bikes are those which could bash all kinds of terrain and still get you home even when they're bruised, battered and broken to an extent. If I had to head out in the wilderness without a worry- a KLR or a DRZ would have been my choice.

    • @RoeyHaviv
      @RoeyHaviv 8 месяцев назад +6

      That’s why the T7 is so popular.

    • @iangriffiths9930
      @iangriffiths9930 8 месяцев назад +2

      Cost of the bike and ownership cost should be very high on the list as I don’t think many people would notice a huge difference in performance between all of these bikes…..

    • @tinozampano
      @tinozampano 8 месяцев назад +3

      Kind of disagree. This is about the quality of these bikes and not about if one could afford it. If you looked at it that way, Porsches would always be the worst cars in a comparison😅
      BTW Ducati service intervals are VERY good and prices for maintenance are quite fair, as I can tell from experience...

    • @RoeyHaviv
      @RoeyHaviv 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@tinozampano Ducati also made this bike very hard to work on, even changing the air filter is a project they instruct the owner to have dealership do.

    • @geoffdossor5772
      @geoffdossor5772 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@RoeyHavivchecked the air filter twice on my DX and can say it’s not an ordeal. Actually enjoy the process and it’s a small price to pay for such an awesome bike.

  • @roverroko306
    @roverroko306 8 месяцев назад +6

    Alreday I completly disagree. For me Norden 901 Exp is number one out of this group. Can’t believe you would place that bike behind Triumph Tiger. Those 2 bikes are just not in the same league. Low centre of gravity doesn’t exist on the Triumph, there for it’s top heavy compared to the Norden. KTM is better off road but it’s not even close on road with all the comfort the Husky has got. So no, not good, not a fair test, repeat 😊. Do it all over again because you failed as bike testers.😊😊😅

  • @chrissunde1104
    @chrissunde1104 8 месяцев назад

    Love the "tell it like it is" reviews. Great work.

  • @tHaH4x0r
    @tHaH4x0r 8 месяцев назад +10

    No Honda? If the T7 WR and Norden 901 are there, the Transalp or (base) AT deserve to be there too imho.

    • @2rRas
      @2rRas 8 месяцев назад +2

      Transalp is more asphalt-oriented. But base Africa Twin should be included.

    • @motorcyclenewsdotcom
      @motorcyclenewsdotcom  8 месяцев назад +3

      Hi, we have another video for the road-biased middleweight adventure options. You can watch it here: ruclips.net/video/l-mAvBfD1ps/видео.html

  • @bigwill2711
    @bigwill2711 8 месяцев назад +2

    Did you go through suspension set up? Makes a big difference with the Tiger.

  • @2rRas
    @2rRas 8 месяцев назад +7

    Tuareg 660?

  • @motorcyclehustle
    @motorcyclehustle 8 месяцев назад +3

    Any reason why the Tuareg 660 was left out?

  • @kee7678
    @kee7678 8 месяцев назад +3

    No way. I've tested every one of these bikes and also the Harley Pan Am. Easily the Tiger Rally Pro 900 for me was the best. I enjoyed bits about each, however I can't agree with the reviews here based on the fact that you really need to set up the Tiger for off road and road when you go ride. Did you blokes use the manual at all, the Triumph settings affect the geometry for sure and off road performance? The comfort, quality, performance.....Tiger Rally Pro 900 for me.

  • @redmandubblyou9833
    @redmandubblyou9833 8 месяцев назад +4

    What a fantastic age we live in. You can't go wrong with any of these 5 or the Aprilia. I have one of the 5 but would be stoked with any of them. 😊❤

  • @ponytrishpip
    @ponytrishpip 8 месяцев назад +6

    I own a Rally Pro. Never noticed the gear lever problem. Went for the RP as the KTM was hard work over long distance. I just did not like the look of the Husky or the Ducati. Tenere is just over priced for a basic bike

  • @orpaztron
    @orpaztron 8 месяцев назад +3

    thanks mate- great video. from what I see, most adventure riders don't ride beyond white trails and the majority stays on road. From those who do ride "real of-road", there is a tiny small percentage who ride at the level of the professionals in the video. This means that the differences between the bikes for the average adventure rider will be quite minor if at all. *and a side note- as a KTM adv rider I really can't understand why the wind shields on their adventures old and new are so poor.

  • @davereinhart9933
    @davereinhart9933 8 месяцев назад

    Great review!

  • @davidz8
    @davidz8 8 месяцев назад +3

    More off road, my choice would be KTM, Ducati, Yamaha, Triumph, Husganananana, More on Road, Ducati, Triumph, Hugaivananana, Yamaha, KTM. They are all great bikes with good and bad points.

  • @stefanhansen5882
    @stefanhansen5882 8 месяцев назад

    Great review. Which one would you pick if money wasn't endless?

  • @everettbranscom6536
    @everettbranscom6536 7 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder if they changed the preload on the triumph 900 to the off road setting. Its a game changer, front fork angle increases 3 degrees. Its in the manual but no one ever reads the manual. The preload has on road and off road settings for the fork and shock. Not a fair test if they didn't put the suspension into the off road settings.

  • @DansADV
    @DansADV 8 месяцев назад +6

    Great to see all of these bikes together. Great review. I'd reverse first and second, personal opinion, having ridden both. Desert X suspension needs a lot of money thrown at it to come close to the 890 off road.

  • @alexmoreno8156
    @alexmoreno8156 8 месяцев назад +3

    Why no Aprilia Tuareg 660?

  • @timbrandt7211
    @timbrandt7211 7 месяцев назад

    Awesome video under proper circumstances

  • @paulleggett9735
    @paulleggett9735 7 месяцев назад

    I still like the pre facelift africa twin adventure aport, but then again if the new 1100 is forgotten, what xhamce has the 1000 got

  • @Gofr5
    @Gofr5 8 месяцев назад +4

    I find your lack of Tuareg 660 disturbing.

    • @canerverdi9955
      @canerverdi9955 8 месяцев назад +1

      they stay in bright side🙃

  • @skipole09
    @skipole09 7 месяцев назад +1

    I own a DX..bought it on the spot..they’re incredible bikes..so far reliability is good. Only gripe is wind noise..it’s a pain in the ass on freeway, but I didn’t buy it to be a tourer. It does what it’s meant for damn well, and it’s damn good looking. Like everyone else says though, if I’m in Africa relying on a bike to get me home, I’m taking the T7.

  • @garyevans2582
    @garyevans2582 8 месяцев назад +3

    Ducati is excellent on off road and with some easy adjustments to the suspension (at not cost)can jump and trail smother than the KTM and reliability is good also, with a good Ducati dealership costs are also manageable. Got rid of my race bike and my KTM Enduro and now have the best of both😅

  • @phreenom
    @phreenom 2 месяца назад

    I love my DesertX, such a phenomenal machine. Every ride it gets better and better. Very capable off road, but what surprised me more is how great it is on the road. It's not nearly as bonkers fast as my Monster 1200s, but I feel far more confident in every situation. The way it shrugs off any road irregularities and debris while being super quick through the twisties makes me laugh out loud with glee. And when that super fun road section ends at the dirt, there is still hours of exploration ahead. Only one area it has let me down, long distance high speed highway riding. That wind buffeting is unpleasant... Definitely planning some mods in that department, then it will be nearly perfect.

  • @dawn-moon
    @dawn-moon 8 месяцев назад +11

    I would swap 1 and 2 definitely ! I don't understand how you came to this order. I got the Desert X from my dealer for 1 day and the Desert X wide tank area was making the inside of my knees hurt and all red after like only 1 hour offroad. I'm 1.85m and the pain was irritating me already. The KTM is much more narrow around that knee region, so while standing up offroad, you can squeeze the KTM between your legs ( as you should ) and it didn't hurt my knees at all.
    I was happy to have had the opportunity from my local dealer to try the Desert X ( since they are official dealer for Kawa, KTM and Ducati ), but I was so happy to get my 2023 890R back after it's first 1000km maintenance !
    Also, the Ducati, on slow technical enduro stuff is a pain in the ass because of the top heavy weight. Similar to my old 1190 Adventure R actually. The new generation KTM adventure bike have the fuel tanks ( and weight ) down low to the sides and that makes a noticeable difference ! So to do river crossings and do climb slippery hills, picking up the bike several times when it falls, the KTM offers way more confidence and comfort. The low side tanks also protect the rest of the bike more, way more compared to the Desert X. ( obviously one would need crash bars on the Desert X ). On the KTM it's not really needed when you get the ALU powerparts skid plate. You will probably hit that and the handlebars when falling off to the sides...
    I would advise people to test ride the top 2 for sure and pay attention to this, prior to making a purchase decision.

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад +2

      The difference is the ktm isn't that good on road and they based the review on best all rounder on and offroad , and on road the desert x handles alot better and its alot faster and more comfy better electronics and brakes , the ktm shines off road and don't shine onroad .I think they said this in the vid

    • @dawn-moon
      @dawn-moon 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@Rust_valleyracing so basically they're saying we like riding onroad more... if like myself, you like offroad more, the 1 and 2 position can be swapped...

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@dawn-moon it's the best all round bike for on and offroad, if it was based on reliability the t7 be first and the ktm be last spot 🤣🤣🤪

    • @dawn-moon
      @dawn-moon 8 месяцев назад +7

      @@Rust_valleyracing I think Ducati easily surpasses KTM in regards to reliability issues. Japanese brands normally score better compared to Italians, also in automotive business...so Yamaha is probably nr1 in reliability out of this group.

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад

      @@dawn-moon yeah but the build quality of the t7 is Chinese quality . Only good thing about the yam is the engine and the way it looks 🤣🤣

  • @muratodabasi7276
    @muratodabasi7276 8 месяцев назад +3

    Just surprised a much capable on/off-road bike like Aprilia Tuareg isn't added in the test.

    • @peterkurth8226
      @peterkurth8226 8 месяцев назад +1

      weil sie wahrscheinlich gewonnen hätte, was peinlich für Ducati un KTM wäre!

  • @marianomel
    @marianomel 8 месяцев назад +4

    Great comparison. From the first moment I saw the Desert X being released I knew it was something special. Coming from DH bikes, I can't help noticing a lot of similarities with what you look for in the perfect bike, slim, agility, strength, powerful brakes, responsiveness... This bike just on its own looks like a gazelle thats been trained by some advanced alien civilization ready to win the Olympics, and with the other 4 bikes next to it it just looks like they dont even have a chance. Its just slick. And come on, its a Ducati, if you ever watch how they design, test and perfect their bikes, you will understand what's in the heart and core of these bikes. Just watch the documentary on the Multistrada. It'd be great if you could make a similar test with the 300cc offer. Im guessing the Honda CRF300Rally would win that one. Cheers from Argentina.

    • @mifdhal2792
      @mifdhal2792 8 месяцев назад +2

      Finally a mtb ❤

    • @boudix5737
      @boudix5737 8 месяцев назад

      This is funny that you mention the “Documentary of Multistrada” all the big brands spend millions of dollars to make impressive marketing video’s to deceive us buyers. I just watch them the have a nice feeling, but you can’t trust them hahahaha I’t is full of bullshit like how much hart the engineers and designers and workers have for Ducati, or any other Brand. I worked for 40 years in al kind off Engineering companies and Automotive companies and the truth is that only the management earns top dollar and they rest is just payed mediocre and there is nothing to be proud of to work in an assembly line, although every Managment is playing the “Proud of our Product” Joker. It is the biggest lie in our productive environment.

  • @mwitt41
    @mwitt41 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm very surprised the tuareg 660 wasn't included in this comparison arguably the best mid weight adv currently out there

  • @garethevans7214
    @garethevans7214 8 месяцев назад +1

    Freddie the moto guzzi office is across the car park from the Ducati place in silverstone! Get yourself in there when you drop off the scrambler 👍🏻

  • @leanit5756
    @leanit5756 8 месяцев назад +3

    Unfortunately the lack of dealer network for Ducati, Triumph, and Husky make them non-starters for me. The poor QC and poor customer service of KTM makes it a write off. That leaves the "lamest" bike as my choice.

  • @rvsmairspace6742
    @rvsmairspace6742 8 месяцев назад +2

    First thing that comes to mind without even having watch the video is, where is the Aprilia Tuareg 660?

  • @ultimatist
    @ultimatist 8 месяцев назад +7

    Curious what the running costs and reliability of the Ducati are... there's a reason so many would choose the Tenere, even if it did finish last.

    • @nicksokolis6343
      @nicksokolis6343 8 месяцев назад +3

      The running costs (servicing) won't be much higher than on the Triumph and KTM and it has the longest warranty. The reliability is one of the best. The engine has been super reliable on all of its applications the last 10 years.

    • @tinozampano
      @tinozampano 8 месяцев назад +3

      If you are curious: The beauty is very reliable with the Desmo engine on the market for many years plus the cost are quite okay IMO. Owning it for 18 months now and still fully in love🧚🏼

    • @ultimatist
      @ultimatist 8 месяцев назад

      Thank you both for the reminder that this Desmo engine has been around for a decade. Makes it a very enticing proposition. It's been a good few years for the middleweight ADV bike market!

  • @V.U.1
    @V.U.1 8 месяцев назад

    Doesn’t the Tiger have the top-spec Brembos too? How are the Duc’s brakes so much better? Just curious.

  • @acousticgearhead7820
    @acousticgearhead7820 8 месяцев назад +2

    Is the Tenere Extreme Edition not a thing outside Germany? Uprated suspension of the world raid without the added heft and ergonomic drawbacks of the huge tank. Seems to me to be the more extreme offroad adventure version of the bike.

  • @billboardprint
    @billboardprint 8 месяцев назад +2

    Where is the Aprilia Tuareg? Why take the Nordern which just a KTM in a different clothes?

  • @johnstewart6652
    @johnstewart6652 5 месяцев назад

    whats up with leavin out aprillia toureg. whats goin on.

  • @DragonNova
    @DragonNova 8 месяцев назад +4

    !000cc bike is a middleweight now?

  • @Chrusttee
    @Chrusttee 8 месяцев назад +2

    Disappointed to see essentially two KTMs in the lineup. Would have been cool to see the Transalp or Vstrom 800DE in there.

  • @DCV65
    @DCV65 8 месяцев назад +3

    Maybe you could also do a vid on the servicing costs, and ease of doing maintenance yourself as a comparison to give an idea of what they are all like to actually live with.

  • @sportbikesadventures2354
    @sportbikesadventures2354 8 месяцев назад +1

    What happened with the BMW 850 gs adventure that is a proper off-road machine too

  • @xpeditionpgh
    @xpeditionpgh 7 месяцев назад +2

    Not enough love for the Norden 😢

  • @lyubengeorgiev1751
    @lyubengeorgiev1751 8 месяцев назад +2

    It's quite strange that we don't see the Aprilia Touareg and Suzuki 800DE in this video. They seems to be as a worthy contenders here.

  • @PureEvolution
    @PureEvolution 5 месяцев назад

    defo think the tiger needs to have more rake/trail to give that off road feel back but its how much cost to the road side think will be a hard to find the right setup for both . desert x is a nice looking bike and does feel nice when i got to sit on one at the nec

  • @joshb3929
    @joshb3929 8 месяцев назад +2

    Name of this test is a bit pointless…
    How is “toughest” in anyway related to “most well rounded.”
    Yes, off road ability and on road fun matters but you know what also matters? Which one can I drop 15 times on a challenging route and still be able to make it home.
    Which one can commute week in, week out, then cross a remote section of the TET in the middle of Spain, without breaking down.
    I suspect the KTM would then be at the bottom of the list.
    I also can’t imagine an off road school is ever going to run a fleet of Desert X’s for people to learn on, without bankrupting themselves.
    What you’ve done here is find the most FUN Adv bike. Shock horror it’s the really fast, really expensive one.

  • @SuperCheesyMan
    @SuperCheesyMan 5 месяцев назад

    you guys need to do an update and include the Tuareg and the new Vstrom ....

  • @sidirops
    @sidirops 8 месяцев назад +1

    Good review, but including the 700cc Yamaha and not the the crf1100L? How’s this possible? Never mind the control tyres? Like I said good review but it would have been much more interesting if you have included the Africa twin.

  • @lopsided1
    @lopsided1 8 месяцев назад +2

    I think we need a few more Metzler stickers, maybe some tattoos too

  • @mattguzzim1744
    @mattguzzim1744 7 месяцев назад

    Why is the Taureg 660 missing? And in Italy?!

  • @WeeJaunt
    @WeeJaunt Месяц назад

    Off-road the standard T7 for me seven days a week and twice on a Sunday

  • @Angry-Lynx
    @Angry-Lynx 8 месяцев назад +7

    u involved triumph but no AT, cant take this seriously ;

    • @Gijserklh
      @Gijserklh 8 месяцев назад +1

      Just what I thought!

    • @TheZakkmylde
      @TheZakkmylde 8 месяцев назад

      Same here. But I’m guessing Honda is kinda in a group of its own or considering bike adv bike now being 1100cc yet similar power as some of these.

  • @jessstrauss3964
    @jessstrauss3964 7 месяцев назад

    The Husky bits the Triumph on roads and offroad any day the Husky puts a smile on your face.

  • @31nerf
    @31nerf 8 месяцев назад +13

    The best hardcore motorbike adventure which you can't change air filter easily? Well done Ducati

    • @Rust_valleyracing
      @Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад +4

      I can swap mine out in 20 mins 👍

    • @daveo9844
      @daveo9844 8 месяцев назад +2

      That’s why you run prefilters 🍻

    • @mototrailz
      @mototrailz 8 месяцев назад +3

      @31nerf At least somebody making sense in the comments 👍

    • @31nerf
      @31nerf 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Rust_valleyracing removing de tank? I've seen videos and maybe you master the process but it is a deal breaker for me, and the back wheel's torque, to remove it. I hope the next one they make it better than this one

    • @31nerf
      @31nerf 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@daveo9844 I will look at this option to reevaluate this bike, thanks for the input

  • @angrytuareg
    @angrytuareg 8 месяцев назад +2

    NO Aprilia Tuareg 660 ? but the tenere ? well clearly you missed the bike of the year awards lmao

  • @Dailyrider94
    @Dailyrider94 8 месяцев назад +1

    the toughest adventure bike and only rides for 2 days. If i would wanna travel around the world, Yamaha has proven it's the toughest out there. All the rest is just fun play and marketing. it may not be a fun factor bike but it's realiabillity is what counts. That or a GS for less heavy trails

  • @HChinarroRaat
    @HChinarroRaat 8 месяцев назад +2

    I al missing the Aprilia Tuareg here

  • @TheZakkmylde
    @TheZakkmylde 8 месяцев назад

    From any other videos I’ve seen they had the Ktm and Norden exp much closer in riding experience. Very similar bikes yet not i this shootout?

  • @signore-solomonare1818
    @signore-solomonare1818 Месяц назад

    Many RUclipsr, Motorcycle reviewers have quite positive views of the Ducati Desert X, almost.
    Now, MCN makes it clear which is the best in offroad world for middleweight adventures bike.

  • @petelafontaine4641
    @petelafontaine4641 6 месяцев назад

    Where would the Aprilia Tuareg fit in this shout-out , and why was it not included ?
    If you include a 492 lbs Ducati , in the middle weight you should also include the CRF1100 standard at about the same weight .

  • @wicko2363
    @wicko2363 4 месяца назад +1

    An adventure bike with a metal fuel tank and takes 45mins to service the air filter probably shouldn’t be at the top of the list, IMO. But I don’t ride for 5 miles down green lanes, or a farm in Wales called an “Adventure Proving Ground”. I do however run out of talent frequently and therefore that tank wouldn’t look quite so stylish for very long.

    • @GIGABACHI
      @GIGABACHI 2 месяца назад

      " I do however run out of talent frequently and therefore that tank wouldn’t look quite so stylish for very long. "
      ☝🤣🤣🤣🤣 Don't we all at some point ?

  • @TempusFugit2K
    @TempusFugit2K 8 месяцев назад +2

    Teneré..? Really? Tuareg 660 dances circle around it ! Even the World Raid version... still has an inferior suspension... High center of gravity... maybe Aprilia didn't want to give you one??

  • @adriantompson
    @adriantompson 8 месяцев назад +1

    yam would win all day long,toughest for sure they keep going when all the others are broke down.

  • @gillesgenete9598
    @gillesgenete9598 9 дней назад

    Thanks for review. I made the same tests and found the same conclusion. But I bought the KTM AdvR way cheaper than the Ducati. Aprilia Tuareg 660 is on par with KTM off-road, but the KTM engine is so much more exciting that it's worth the price tag.

  • @guvencdiner5944
    @guvencdiner5944 6 месяцев назад +1

    T7 is more reliable than the others. Best choice for enduro riders.❤

  • @UpsideDownFork
    @UpsideDownFork 8 месяцев назад +2

    Where's the 800DE?!

  • @barryyoung
    @barryyoung 7 месяцев назад

    Love what Ducati have done with this bike.

  • @garymasterson1174
    @garymasterson1174 8 месяцев назад +2

    First class review. Thank you