Why Snapdragon is Windows Secret Weapon
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
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Chapter Titles:
0:00 Why This Matters
1:04 Windows on Snapdragon
2:10 How It's Different
3:42 Challenges
4:50 Performance
7:56 Qualcomm Lab
9:14 Final Thoughts 
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Imagine referring to Microsoft's "Recall" as a must have feature unironically.
it's a must have feature if you're an overbearing boss and your employees work from home. Surveillance tech is really digging in in the corporate space.
If a huge company promises "VIP" access to report on various new features etc then some people will say whatever it takes to keep that "VIP" avcess
@@robsquared2 at this rate just put them on probation if you can’t trust your workers that badly Jesus Christ
it looks very useful tbh, being able to comb through my pc history and roll back would be very useful.
Recall is such an awesome feature; I have so often than not wished to have a history for the whole computer and not just for the browser. It might not be helpful for everyone but is definitely super helpful for me.
People always be forgetting that Windows RT was ARM
how about Windows CE and Mobile then 😅
@@richardwang9315 Were those devices not largely powered by RISC/MIPS CPUs?
Most people would rather forget Windows RT ever existed 😅
because they tried to forget about it since it was horrible
I worked for surface support during that time period, those tablets were absolute trash. If the store went down they were literally worthless.
I feel like bill gates is in the background holding a shotgun
He is holding the lubricant
you mean satya nadella
@@junior-OGhe’s middle management, just like all the imports.
This was a whole lot of nothing with words that were clearly chosen carefully lol
And edited extensively
Welcome to bigger channels where they are just mouth pieces. No actual content just whole video of ad so they can get free hardware and can't say anything negative about the product.
Same shit as all the content creators.
Yet, here we are....
Yeah... It can be entertaining
ARM in general is a really good thing, but MS should start thinking about why many people in general hate Windows 11. It looks more like adware or spyware, instead of an OS :( . I think that will affect how people will treat this new ARM era on the Windows side.
The biggest issue with windows (before all their privacy invasive stuff) was that it was just bloated as shit, especially if you have a lower end pc let’s say 4gb of ram then like 1/4 to 1/2 of that ram is devoured by just the OS which would make it so that if you had windows on a laptop like I just said it would probably fail to run terraria
Every company is all about recurring revenue streams or rent seeking behavior. It's the end stage of capitalism.
You don't think every other OS does the same? Talk about hypocrite At least I trust my data with Microsoft
@@estiennetaylor1260 Not like this :( . I know that nobody is a saint, but I'm using MacOS regularly as well and it feels less of an adware type of experience. I also don't like that MS changing things without giving you the option to revert, like the task bar that I don't like at all and every time MS brings out an update, I have to patch it again to bring back the old one. That is just one of the reasons why I'm not really using my Surface Laptop that much nowadays.
@@petersziraki7672 MacOS has their own built in telemetry that crapple keep track of every user regardless. Never had any problems with Windows updates since it's all automatic after I configured it.
I can't wait for Windows+snapdragon and Linux+snapdragon in tablet and most Mini PC YEA.
Im just confused why this huge push comes after they announced the removal of android apps on windows. Imo this would be perfect reason to double down on that.
That would mean Microsoft has a clue of what they're doing on the consumer side.
I suspect it's Googles fault. They wouldn't allow the play store to be included out of the box.
@@davidneale530 don't need the Play Store, they just need to make apk installable by default without the Amazon Store dependency and workarounds.
They did?
Dang, I've not been using W11 for a while(been back on W10 and Linux Mint) but android apps were the main reason I was considering Windows 11 again.
I have no problem with the OS itself except how corporate and dull it feels in comparison to all previous iterations, but aside from Android apps, it does nothing Windows 10 doesn't already do.
I'm excited, I am planning on getting the Dev kit
While ARM coming to laptops is great, but oh god recall is a huge attack vector for bad actors or for even Microsoft to exploit in the future.
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh For now, sure. In the future, who knows if you can or cannot turn it off. Also, Microsoft has a history of turning things back on when rolling out an update.
It should never have been opt out, it should be opt in @GarrusVakarian-to2uh
Good video! I'm suree Qualcomm did the work. If this initiative fails, it'll probably be because of Windows being Windows.
4:53 devices ship in 10 days but he don't have access to final hardware, what?????
He’s been using a pre-production unit for the weeks he’s been testing.
Videos are filmed before they actually come out yknow
@@extra4542 sure but how unready this thing is if devices that will ship in 10 days were flashed in factory 28 days ago. So that would be considered final hardware and software then. I being using prototype for over a month and it was perfect for me.
embargo
@@marcinoo97 he’s been testing for SEVERAL WEEKS. It’s not like they’re sending him new ones everyday to keep up to date.
I can't stand all these AI crap, windows 10 for life!
From an Article I read Microsoft might charge a fee for extending security support and updates up to 3 years
Womp womp
I love Windows 11 and can't wait for Copilot + PC running Lunar Lake.
Thats exactly why i moved on from windows recently...
@@ok1lad159 Interesting take when every OS does the same thing under the hood 🤣🤣
Put this chip in a handheld please. I want 10+ hours of battery on my handheld
😂
You have had qualcom chips in smartphones for about a decade or more.
@@miker6570 you think I don't know that buddy? I want the X Elite Chip in a handheld. I want the power, compatibility with Windows, and efficiency.
@@LuciusAugustusRex Someday we'll have chips with Apple's efficiency, Intel's power and AMD's graphics that don't drain the battery in a single hour.
That is the day handhelds will truly peak.
@@LuciusAugustusRex the GPU sucks azz. What are you going to use it for? Browsing? 😂 Plus you need a fan for better cooling
It has been 1 year and it is still not out yet, this is so dumb, the snapdragon x elite is probably gonna be terrible.
This is a hater and nothing else
I can't comprehend why people are still watching Austin Evans video in 2024. He has a 2010s vibe. Gone is his time.
Windows tablets and handheld will be insanely crazy
Why would you not compare the performance of the high water elite chip to the M3 Max chip rather than the M3 chip? You know the one that also has 12 performance cores.
Not the same price bracket.
@@ivand5699Such a shitty excuse lol
@@ivand5699 but they’re using battery claims for the 15W chip with performance claims from the 80W one.
@@lordv1le859 the battery life claims are associated with the task like RUclips playback, the 15w and 80w chip are the same, just a higher tdp ceiling, the 80w chip while playing RUclips video will not operated at 80w.
So what you'd want to take away if you were interested in the tech itself, is the single core parity, rather than the multi core scores. The fact that they're beating M2 and almost equalling M3 single core scores while being on an older silicon tech node (M3 is 3nm and X Elite is 4nm) is pretty cool. At the end of the day, it's not just about the marketing hype of who's beating who, it's about presenting a viable alternative in the windows (and Linux) space to challenge the MacOS stranglehold. ✌️
Snapdragon X Elite is the brainchild of 3 former and integral Apple ARM chip designers who left and opened their own chip company, designed a promising chip very similar to M series Apple SoC and then Qualcomm bought them and rebadged that chip in mobile form. Thanks Apple.
Thanks to those engineers
It is hard to overstate how hard it is to take you seriously when your content jumps around so much.
Austin is getting buffed up
when does the embargo lift. I want 1 because of 2 things. performance and battery life. the ai is cool and scary at the same time.
My confusion is why AMD hasn't panicked yet?
Snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀 🚀
look at what Apple has to do with high end compute. Changing architectures only works when you are ready to drop compatibilty with everything, or if your usecase is low performance so translation layer is easy. When apple attempts to do something with more compute (e.g Apples recent push into gaming), nothings really happening there. So any usecase where the native software needs a LOT of compute. The low end performance and use case does not cater to the reason why Windows is the largest used OS on the laptop/desktop space. AMD has no reason to panic. The fact that Qualcomm had to put graphs comparing against intel's raptor lake already tells you that they're trying to obfuscate information, as AMD was more performant, lower power consumption, and had a significantly better igpu, than intel does.
amd strix go brrrr
AMD 9 HX 370 has same almost same performance as desktop ryzen 7700. At very low tdp ,these are 3rd party benchmarks.
is there any word on if the devices will be easy to remove windows and install another OS as would be nice to get rid of Windows and install something like Linux or BSD on it and not have to deal with all the built in A.I. rubbish but as of yet nothing at all has been stated if the devices are locked to Windows or not, if the devices are locked to windows then I see this as a step backwards for laptops but here is to hoping they are just as open as the x86 platform because if not I see a lot of people avoiding them as x86 has stayed around due to its openness compared to almost every other platform that come after it.
The funny thing about it is once you have a code base of apps that run under windows on Arm, that code base is important, A modern cell phone processor snapdragon 8 gen 3 or soon gen 4 probably could be a laptop replacement for a lot of people. (If you can live in 100% Arm native apps.)
Imagine Samsung Dex with Windows.
Can SD X Elite do virtualisation like VirtualBox, VMware?
Ive been waiting forever for the hardware to catch up. Finally
Love myself a good old style austin evans video
All this Snap Dragon X Elite hype is really throwing up my Red Flag. Seems like they are Honey Dicking, otherwise the product should speak for itself if its that Good
THAT "EVER" IS NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH 😅
Do any of the laptops have Exchangeable upgradable or even dual slot ssds ?? I love my desktop Its modularity But for me to buy a Windows laptop over a Mac book The SSD would be a factor could baby move me over . Also I hate recall.
My Lenovo gaming laptop has two slots for nvme SSD’s. I think most of their latest laptops do. However I am not sure if any have the new copilot plus chips.
@@rogeliocano9536 that's just it. Lenovo is pretty good about it. So is Acer. HP can be hit and miss. But I've been to a few other sites and there's nothing about it. doesn't mean it's not there but they don't list it. I feel like I heard one of them Maybe has it but I can't remember where I heard that..
Pro tip: Avoid HP, (to a lesser extent Dell) HP and especially HP laptops if you want any semblance of upgradeability.
I've used laptops for years, and HP almost always use not just soldered in eMMc which is among the slowest storage options, but seldom have upgrade ports for it outside of USB sticks, and have everything else soldered too, like RAM, CPU, wi-fi card, etc.
I've had many ASUS laptops and they've even had swappable CPUs (assuming you can find more [Socket X] CPUs for it online), my last one let me swap out my i5 for an i7, add a bigger SSD(not m.2 though) and upgrade the 4GB RAM to dual 8GB sticks.
Personally, I'd suggest ASUS and Lenovo over the vast majority of other manufacturers if laptops are the way you want to go.
And if it has HP anywhere on it, don't even sample it, you will be disappointed.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker Good to know. Thanks.
I think he will buy that DELL there.
I am eagerly waiting for these laptops ..
I went with the galaxy book4 edge 16" 1TB X1E-84-100 since is the only one i found with this SoC wonder if i did a mistake since not a lot of youtubers are mentioning it specifically.
Im also preordered on the SS NX 16" i like the form factor
Will they sell one without an OS?
I am so excited for the future of ARM. It's so cool.
Too soon to say, but I would be pretty surprised if it's a bigger leap for windows than moving from hard drives to solid state drives. This seems on par, and it's certainly a massive leap for mobile computing.
Will there be an equivalent to the Mac Mini using these new chips? Or are they all laptops?
Qualcomm is targeting laptops first and will come out with their desktop equivalent for AIO and small form factor PC.
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh really? Nice. I might pick one of those up. I don’t need a laptop, but I've got an open slot on my KVM.
I just want to know if the battery is really that good. Microsoft is notorious for lying about the battery life of their Surface lineup, which usually only get a fraction of the number of hours they suggest on their website, e.g. stating 16 hours for the Surface Pro 8/9 but you usually get around 4ish hours at best, and I am not talking about gaming or graphic intensive workload. I really hope the battery performance on these new Copilot PC Windows laptop will last all day so that I don't need to find a power outlet every time I work at a cafe or the library.
I think it will be, apple said the same thing about their MacBooks until they moved to arm and actually hit those marks or better
I'm sorry but I'm not feeling Co-Pilot Plus with Windows Recall. My Surface Laptop 5 only has 8 GB of RAM. I don't plan to update this laptop anytime soon.
Needs to come to server and desktop to break into wider support. imo it'll be dead within 3 years unless they get into every space including gaming and beat the competition performance wise. They've essentially reimagined atom processors and that didn't go well.
Can't wait to see them in real world. The success of the new Microsoft/Qualcomm lineup totally depends on Windows experience on these machines and by that I mean app support and Windows based traditional gaming. If those two fail on launch, this will also be another mistake by Microsoft to push without it polished.
How did you manage to provide zero useful information in that video
Why should I get a new laptop when my old Acer and Dell laptops from 10 years ago still run so well? Good battery life and good performance are out there since 15 years ago.
JUST BRING BACK AUTHENTIC WINDOWS PHONE ALREADY
Can’t uninstall Copilot. Seems like forced mass surveillance.
They all do this, it's just what we're stuck with now.
iOS? Stuck with Siri
Android? Stuck with Google
Windows? Stuck with whatever Microsoft's AI is called.
At this point, the only option is to choose which one you distrust the least with your data and run with it.
this kind of video reminds me why i like "This Is" a lot more. At this point, the This Is channel is the main channel to me lol
They only need ONE thing in order to be competitive, and that is app compatibility. The computers could be faster than the worlds fastest super computer with a battery life of years and it still wouldn't sell if you can't run anything on it.
Microsoft told me the same things in the windows RT days.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
They’re at least not starting with e-waste machines this time.
Windows on ARM is great, imagine if they did something like a Windows phone or something.
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And actually supported it.
MO' POWER BABY! ! !
LIGHTNING⚡ LIGHTNING⚡LIGHTNING⚡
Great breakdown
The Skynet laptops are getting closer to being released.
My motorola with a snapdragon is the slowest phone ive ever bought 😅 my s10 plus is fast idk about snapdragon. Its crapola
Whenever these big releases are upon us and companies hold events for RUclipsrs, you can really figure out who can be easily bought and who is actually honest and realistic in their videos. This cornball is the former
People seem to forget it was Apple who did it first. When Apple used PPC chips, they were RISC CPUs. ARM chips are RISC CPUs. X86 intel and AMD are CISC CPUs. Back then it was well known Apple PPC PC would outperform any Intel or AMD chip of the same size and would often be double the speed. A 400 PPC would be equivalent to a 800 Intel or AMD in other words. So to see Apple silicon or qualcomm chips outperform Intel or AMD chips today is not saying much.
I really don't get why people need to concern themselves with unplugged performance. It is advised that the more charge cycle the less the max capacity of battery n the best way is to just keep it at charge all the time(we can also limit max charge).
Is this why apple devices battery tends to degrade very quickly because the users constantly use it unplugged??
Imagin Austin crawling for sponsors....
You look like an able version of Martin Philips from Kill Tony
what about Visual Studio developers??? any word??
Yes ithas arm version, but i dont know if net Maui is support windows arm executable
This is the future!
It's a shame every Lenovo tablet I have ever used runs like a slug on valium. Tell me why I should try a Lenovo PC. 😂😂😂
Not picking anything up you are laying down here... I will wait for proper information. I don't doubt that they will be fast chips, but my worries are about the OS.
Apple was able to force all devs to get their apps running on ARM... I don't see this happening with Windows.
Why all the dislikes? Any controversy I missed? Haven't beem watching for a while
5:39 I kind of think it’s scary that Qualcomm won’t let people talk about benchmarks…
I’m cautiously optimistic about the performance, I’m cautiously pessimistic about Microsoft
windows 11 Recall is total bs and should not be a major feature to show off
I'm more amazed this wasn't a temu/wish video
lets wait and see how lunar lake compares
But does it run AVX2 compatible apps now?
Iirc avx2 is x86 contingent, so there’s no avx code in arm compiled apps. but don’t quote me on that
@@CalmDinosaur-jz9ej It won't be in ARM compiled apps. The question is if for the X64 compiled apps the new Prism emulator will emulate it so that these apps and games work. If you use HWInfo on an older version of Windows 11 you see their old emulation only had SSE and no AVX of any kind which is very limiting. If they fixed that with Prism thats big, if they didn't fix that however that can prevent some programs / games from running.
aww i wanted the red laptop its looks guess the idea of the snapbook is dead
I was really frustrated to see that. Microsoft is the only one offering more than sixteen gigs of ram.
I must have looked through twenty different models and couldn't find anyone offering thirty two and sixty four options, even though the chip set supports it.
I know there's been a lot of drama surrounding Asus' warranty service lately, but they have a nice looking Vivobook S with the Snapdragon X Elite for $1299.99 at Costco. 🤓
@@shaneterrell I had the Asus 13" one that looks like a really thick Surface. The battery burned out on. It took me all of 20 minutes on customer service to explain to them. The steps I had taken and then they gave me an RMA and I got it back about four weeks later, like brand new. So I haven't really had the same experience as a lot of people with their customer service. Then again that was a year ago.
@@RobertTowell Nice, thanks for the firsthand account!
I generally prefer Windows 2-in-1s, but the Costco Asus Vivobook is tempting me with the 15" 3k OLED, X Elite, and 32gb of ram for only $1299.
My name is Shane and I'm a tech addict. Lol
I don't know if the products are getting worse, Austin is getting older or I'm just getting more jaded but his corporate butt kissing has seen better days.
Yes
Yah, he is really seems to be a very, very casual tech user for someone with a tech channel. No deep diving into anything like Modern Linux Gaming, or new CAMM memory or anything like that. It is usually "I wasted $1000 on ebay". Not a lot of though on how AI Workflow Tools baked into your OS may be a bad thing as well in an already arguably bloated OS. Not to even talk about the privacy/ownership issues Windows has. Local AI does not mean private.
This whole push for this chip and all the A.I. BS in Windows 100% puts me off anything to do with Snapdragon & Windows, I stopped using Windows on all my mobile devices years ago and moves like this make me glad I did, I now only use Windows on my main gaming PC all my laptops and other desktops run Linux or BSD, for me Windows is a Gaming first OS as we all know no matter how good Linux gets its Gaming support still not as good as Windows but all this A.I. stuff they keep adding just puts me more and more off wanting to use Windows on more devices.
For portable working laptop, I don’t really care Intel or Qualcomm or whatever, but price. With some patience, you could find a brand new m1 MacBook Air for $600~700, or even less. This snapdragon laptop, IMO way too expensive.
Great video alright 😀
so the snapdragon arm chip is a glorified modified M chip from Apple, the wintel people have been crapping on apple's M chips with soldered ram soc, but now that the same tech is being put into windows machines, now it's all good lol
Nope, those people will likely stick with intel lunar lake. This is for people who respect the portability and performance of the m series but want it on their preferred platform
Kinda sad to think, one feature killed the hype for the new processor and laptops.
I would love to know if they can run a GPT4all local LLMs. If so, does it expose the NPU to use and how efficient it is compared to the GPU or the CPU?
No, NPU is a new Windows API
Sure !
i want a surface laptop
Why not just build an arm version of windows
Snapdragon is on the Ferrari F1 car
Now theres about to be a 3rd competitor. Intel and AMD better watch out.
The whole Copilot/Recall thing makes these a no go for me no matter how decent the devices may be
Turn it off
@@christianr.5868 it can't ever be turned off
@@a.mirandahsr yes it can, it’s an option in the settings. And it’ll be off by default. Also the pictures take up physical space of your hardrive. So they can’t really get away with turning it on without you realizing if you watch your storage. That, and they’re fucked if they access any of your information remotely. Legally and just as a company. Peoples passwords and bank information openly available, I can’t imagine they’d be stupid enough to attempt that
Everyone is talking about how great these laptops are, yet no one has mentioned the expandability of the ram or the storage, nor mentioned the ports and their specs 😤
I still don't even know if they would include ethernet ports and, if so, what their speeds are.
That's the kind of video we want 😐
@@bader51500both surface pro and surface laptop 7 have replaceable SSD’s. Don’t have interest in the other products so I haven’t checked for them
@@bader51500as for ram. I’m pretty sure it’s soldered since it’s arm
@@christianr.5868
I know, but I hoped they have a some kind of technology that allow you to add more ram, similar to swap on x86 architecture (I know it's software based, so it had nothing to do with the architecture, but I doubt they will add it to the arm version of windows 11).
I believe the storage is soldered on, too, since they use eUFS, but maybe they added an extar m.2 or even a sata header for more storage.
It would be incredible to have a snapdragon x laptop. On anything but fucking windows
Qualcomm have been working with Linaro to have Linux support straight away.
@@davidneale530 honestly, that’s the move. Microsoft has been making bad moves since windows 8. 10 was okay. 11 is an absolute dumpster fire
Can't wait for Snapdragon chips to be mainstream and run Linux on it. Yes pls battery life.
Did you happen to run any benchmarks....
Embargooooo
Damn they paying everyone.
biggest question! what about upgradability?! if the snapdragons arm s*** doesn't let us upgrade at least our storage... it's terrible. it will be just mac that I'm avoiding. also Microsoft re call... that's a no
Can’t speak for the other devices but surface laptop 7 has a removable ssd, just have to take it apart, and the surface pro 11 has a removable ssd that’s much more accessible. There’s a compartment on the back of the device that holds it
Also for recall, I’m just gonna turn it off. Pros of arm outweigh the cons for me personally
Man, this is just a 13 minute advertisement about snapdragon. They must have paid Austin a very nice amount of money for this, because I can't believe that he would do this as a normal video. Still, handy to watch if people have insomnia. They will drop off to sleep after 2 minutes! Sorry you had to do this Austin. You are better than this.
They've been hyping up this thing for so long yet there's not a single actual product/laptop review
I think Apple M Series procesora or Intel or AMD are more powerful than that. I think M3 Ultra or M4 is the Goat.
Hi Austin! That’s all. Just trying to rebalance the negativity.
To that person at Microsoft who wants a Macbook. Just buy a Macbook and leave us alone.
9th Qualcomm 4TW
Snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀 🚀
Maybe we’ll see a proper windows phone now…
Why is no one giving concrete news on these for gaming. It's all vague marketing BS.
This video should be labeled as Ads. A bunch of PR words with zero substance.
Day 7 of asking for a 2024 pc build