Filming Police in France May Get You 1 Year in Jail If This New Bill Passes
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2021
- Taping police conduct has become the key to holding officers to account- but in France, there’s a new law that could make that public accountability illegal.
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No matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, we should all be against this.
Even though in most countries black lives matter is bullshit. in France the discrimination is clear as day
Hear, hear
@@yungmentalproblems You're saying that black lives don't matter in most countries? Wow, ok David Duke 😂
@@josephstanhope8054 that’s the problem with the name Black Lives Matter for an organization so anyone who disagrees with that group the Generic response is “so you don’t think Black Lives Matter”
Agreed.
So you can record your citizens at will, but against your citizens filming you?
Article 24 is not the worst, the others are worse. What article 24 says is that it is forbidden to film a police officer with the aim of causing harm. The term "harm" is far too imprecise. It means that I can film but I cannot post it on social networks, only to support a trial against police violence for example.
France is aware of its history and what its population is willing to do. The politicians know the only thing between them and the people is the police, so they give them whatever they want. It's really that simple.
@@astronotics531 why would you film police and put that film on social media otherwise ? If it shows police violence, it is not illegal.
@@williamdeschamps5804 I think what he means is with article 24 it's illegal to post it on social networks NO MATTER WHAT the content is. It can only be used in court. For example if you filmed some excessive force or police brutality the only way you can use the footage is to file a lawsuit against the police department and use that footage in court, which is impossible to do for 99.99% of people, which means the police can basically beat the hell out of whomever they want in broad daylight.
Make the police wear body cams, punishment for the police if they do not. They need to be held to a higher standard, with power comes responsibility and transparency.
Freedom of speach is the right to tell people what happened to you.
France is becoming the China of europe
@@John_.Cabell_.Breckinridge if people like you are allowed to spreading misinformation then France will be at even worse position now.
And those leaders wannabe acting like yours, too are destroying France
That bar is very low imho... Freedom of speech is waaay more than that...
Tell that to lefties
@@MLHMODZ Freedom of speech doesn't pertrude to lies and conpiracies though
If there was no cameras police will not have anymore lawsuits.
Tough, if the build is really to pass, they should make it legal to film it and then send it to authorities if there was a case of violence, that should always and always be legal. That way at least it stops the flow of video misrepresenting situations on social media. But in all honesty is should simply be legal. All police should wear body cameras too
Hi, don’t hesitate to show me the part of the law that prohibes people from filming the police
@@kingnathiii1927 the legal system is corrupt and so are the police. Social media and journalists keep them in line as much as they can. The police had access to the video showing the blackman getting assaulted but still decided to charge him. Only when the video was leaked online did they drop the charges and go after the dirty pigs.
Facts 👍
Before cameras, police had plenty of law suits.
Cameras actually help police more than hurt them in court.
Thank God the first guy had a camera in his house, otherwise nobody would've believed him!!!!
*studio
the police officers should get hanged,
@@Gamerstephan yah 3 on one hitting him in the head they could of killed him
Bruh her attempted justification of the law is so bad, they're not even trying anymore
She literally used the US as an example of why filming cops is bad lol as if we don’t already have a widespread problem of police brutality here.
This lady really just said you cannot record the police because they will then not do what they must. If you cannot do your job of policing while being watched you are not policing you are oppressing.
@@shamelessantics3386 yeah what was that about? She misrepresented what the problem with policing in America is. There is a reason police brutality protests were all over Europe because it still happens there
It was basically - "we don't want people to see what the police are doing!!" If their actions are legal and correct they'd gladly want everyone to see that wouldn't they!!
So true. They are protecting bad cops.
The way to stop stigmatising the police is to ask them to stop assaulting people.
Ask them?
Imagine asking a soldier at war “Hey man? Can you stop shooting me please? Thanks bro”. C’mon, it isn’t like they will stop by asking
@@luisitocomunista546 How stupid are you to compare war time to peace?
@@reveirg9 Not literally. It was more of an allegory. It’s useless to just ask them to stop when they are absolutely ready to beat you up. C’mon dude, it’s not that hard to see what I meant
The only thing that banning filming protects police from is accountability.
Why can't anyone listen or pay attention? This is not banning the filming of cops.. film them.. send the clips to the media.. even post them online if you want just blur their faces if you are so worried the government will come after you.
@@SAFbikes Blurring their faces defeats the purpose of accountability, no?
@@reveirg9 you can file a report bruh. Or at least an FIR or however it works in your country.
@frosty snow "The police investigated themselves and found nothing to be irregular."
Cameras don’t lie
Dangerous assumption. Footage can not only be manipulated, but also taken out of context, which can be even worse and harder to see through.
But cops do
Camera never lies but film does
Well they can...and easily with today tech.
@Adam Gagliano can I have a source? I don't know anything about this and I would like to have a source to refer to
DIsgusting
The audacity to even propose such a bill.
This is just disgusting - then who will "police" the police? They were straight ganging up on him mafia-style and beat him like a dog. There are no words for how this makes you feel. Shame on them - those "police" officers deserve being in prison!
I don't know about France, but in America an officer's drinking buddies are the ones who investigate him. It doesn't seem to be working, for some strange reason. Maybe we should try having his mom do it instead, maybe that will be more effective.
In this case it will be the justice system, but when policemen are accused of something here in France, there's an investigation from the IGPN, also called "la police des polices". So policemen are being investigated by policemen...
We can’t repeat it enough I think but : PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO FILM THE POLICE !
@@MikeBurke You mean Internal Affairs? As far as I've heard, pretty much every officer in IA is hated by their fellow cops, so not sure about "drinking buddies".
@@Qdh346_ Thank you for your reply, but I was being sarcastic - just how are they going to gather evidence. Are they going to go with threats like no croissants for you anymore until you confess beating up someone innocent? 😂
Imagine how evil corrupt Emanuel is to even propose such a thing against his own society
France is so problematic sometimes, their approach to secularism is super questionable
@@mdel07304 What has this got to do with secularism though?
They are all corrupt..
How is this Macron's fault? Some personal accountability. The police knew what they did.
@@atomic4650 he went from being a center left politician to going full populist with secularism
Everyone knows this is wrong.
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man them french politicians really want they heads on a stake again
où est la guillotine ?
@@epicspaces9434 elle arrive
@@ATOMICBARRITO vraiment, quand ? j'ai hâte de la voir, elle me manque tellement
@@epicspaces9434 hé, t'inquiète, ça ne serait pas téléviser
@@ATOMICBARRITO j'veux que ça soit téléviser, et que Brad pitt soit là!
Crooked police need to be held accountable. If not then what are they there for besides to destroy lives & freedoms
They stopped a dirty *no-masker* from spreading COVID, they are heroes
@@cottonballs185 You’re trolling lol
So police get no Accountability but citizens do.
She’s talking up about protecting the police but isn’t it the other way are; the police are supposed to protect the people instead of beating them up in their homes?
Nope your politicians you voted for submitted the law and they represent the people. You get and deserve what you ask for. Enjoy
This is just INSANE
My apologies for waking you up too early. I thought you were dead!
Nutted on a dollar homie what you gonna do about it
What’s insane ? To protect policemen’s personal lives ?
@@gd8316 to tell people they cant film police. evidence is needed, police need to be policed by the people they serve. In France it seems like they're taking steps to make police feel more comfortable in wrongdoing.
@@theheadlesslegend Who told you that people can’t film the police if this bill pass ? This bullshit vice video ?
There are a bunch of dictators in Africa hoping this law is passed so they can do the same to their people.
France does have a history of exporting brutality to africa, so the precedent is there.
@@dannyboy4682 oy, don't pretend like innocent African chiefs didn't have their own mind.
@@timurermolenko2013 yeah, but doesn't help that a lot of them work for the french goverment
Now even Vice is trying to finish off Macron... he's done.
Better Macron than LePen. At least France didn't make the same mistake as the USA (and hopefully they won't next election).
@Nefomemes Yet, America chose the worst of the options as their next president...
@@Kyle-lt8dc yea because Trump was amazing 😂😂😂😂
@@robbierobloxrob9830 Trump wouldn't do this though. Trump wasn't amazing at all but he was decent.
“So your telling me the video evidence that can incarcerate a officer for wrong doing .”can get innocent people incarcerated ?
3rd world justice
Cameras are everywhere... there is no escaping the watchful eye of technology
Where is the part that says that people can’t film the police anymore ?
only, if this passes, it'll make that record inadmissible in court.
This is why France is one of the most overrated nations in the world.
At least it’s better than the United states
Not the Nation please. The politicians.
@Rafiquil Alam yes tf it is
@Rafiquil Alam as a Frenchman living in the US I can tell you it is an absolute garbage joke of a country
@@caramelomaldito the nation voted for them
This is so scary and I’m really getting tired of people right getting taken away bit by bit
Evil? The only evil that I see is America forcing ideas into other countries. France will never be the Zoo that America is.
Rights? France isn’t the U.S and just because you American children have all these laws to protect you from the crap you say doesn’t mean France should do the same. All I see Is people like you manipulating other countries to turn into another U.S.
Every policy that denies the public information and asks for blind trust in the institutions is a step closer to fascism.
Public servants should serve the public, not their own interests.
They are not public servants nor have they ever been. Police are servants to their overlords in government and government are servants to the corporations.
No one should be shocked.
Everyone should be disgusted
You know, for years, I've been watching this sort of content about other countries. Where fascist laws were getting passed, where police were beating people up.
I never thought it would eventually happen here, in France. It's getting harder and harder to live through this.
This era of "security" against overrated threats is striking everywhere. Everywhere. Look at the US, look at France. We once were the spearhead of freedom and welfare. Be aware of what's happening in your country. Fascism slithers everywhere ; silently, dangerously.
Here in America, we have free-speech, and the socialist and communist hate it, but only when it applies to conservatives not having free speech. They are a big, fat babies and offended by everything but they are so mean.!!! Gosh, there than in his group of people in the most violent.
In America different immigrants stick to themselves but overtime they will integrate with society but we’ve had so much mass migration since we’ve had the weakest president in office for 2 1/2 years so I don’t know what it’s gonna be like. Joe, Biden, and the Democrats and Socialist have been allowing free-flowing immigration to come into America because they basically want cheap pseudo slave labor.!!! I apologize if that sounds rude, but I’m an American Christian and I am so against slavery and I think it is the most evil institution and I don’t care if it’s hard working conditions or paying people crappy wages. No!! that’s not fair and even if people are unskilled, they still deserve to meet minimum wage!!
My gosh, we have people in America now making twice as much as minimum wage, but Joe Biden’s inflation and the cost-of-living has gone up so much and business owners are greedy and increase the rent 35 to 50% and it’s hard for people earning more in impossible for them to pay the damn bills . Joe Biden’s gotta go!!
Donald Trump was pretty blunt but he was not a warmonger at all and he was not about to allow immigrants to come across the border because he knew what would happen, and that is many of them would be captured and taken into sex trafficking, and others would get jobs and have employers, paying them crappy wages.
You’ve got to remember one thing about France and that is they are one of the snobbiest countries in Europe. Yes! I am American and my aunt go to France regularly and my great grandma was French. My great grandma wasn’t snobby because she was born in America to French immigrants but their culture in France is a bit too proud and Haughty for some. It’s just really really hard for conservative Christians and Muslims to live in the same society. here in America we have a conservative Christians, but we have mostly moderate Christians and they get along with Muslims just fine as long as they’re not practicing sharia law.
Don’t let the media influence you much on the USA because the media is very very misleading and most of the time propaganda! I’m an American, and the crime rate is out of control, because the communist and socialist have taken over and they don’t even charge bail and people murder people and get back out of jail and go out and do it all over again. I live in southern Virginia and it’s getting worse here and it used to just occur up north end Boston, New York, Chicago and out west in California and Baltimore in Maryland but it’s moving south. Please using excessive force and brutality was worse in the 1950s through the 1970s.!!! Bad!! I was a little kid in 1972 and I remember seeing stuff go on and police officers were shooting protesters for protesting in DC over the Vietnam war. That would’ve never happened in the 1980s or today. Besides most Americans, think President Macron is a piece of crap. since Russia invaded Ukraine, the U.S. & UK And NATO have been helping to arm Ukraine, even though they’re not gonna win this war.
I’m not being negative. I’m just saying the truth and that’s because we are not NATO allies and we cannot defend them .
I’m not sure why Putin invaded but it’s evil that a communist country cares nothing about killing innocent people and it’s the same in communist China ! China is WORSE!!
Macron goes over to China for three days and he’s talking to the dictator over there telling him that all of Europe doesn’t have to do with the USA is doing. The only thing the USA and the UK are doing is fulfilling a promise that Russia broke. When Ukraine gave up all of their nuclear weapons, the United States and the United Kingdom promised to help protect them, but not to defend them, and Russia, promise not to invade. Russia broke that promise, and their bombing schools in malls & people’s apartment buildings.. so sad!!
Who the hell in french government said yep this law is gonna be great and cause no issues at all
That’s just one of many such shocking things the Macron administration has done.
recording their abuses is one of the only things citizens can do to protect themselves from corrupt cops, there is no good reason that an officer should be afraid of being recorded unless they are doing something that would cause the public to want to hurt them.
He gets done here in America all the time. The thing is that America is free, speech open society with the freedom of religion and nondiscrimination.. however, there are Democrat socialist who are pretty antisemitic and anti-Christian. The cultural Marxist don’t even realize they’ve been indoctrinated for the past 20 years in school & mostly universities. People who do not go to college in America are a lot better off.. people can go to community college for a semester or a year and get a certificate and get out and make 50,000 a year and people go to college for four years and get out owing 150,000 and student loan debt and they’ll be lucky to make 35,000 a year
That parliament lady trying to explain b.s. for straight 2 minutes.
That law would never survive constitutional scrutiny in the US.
With Biden it easily would. Joe Biden actually just allowed China free reign over your power grid and he is allowing unregulated Chinese propaganda into your home now.
Doesn't matter in america. judges just move court cases to racist white suburbs then get racist jurors to say not guilty to police bashing black people. America has a different system of legal racism.
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@@pablomuzzobar8940 you go to court where your booked. Any change of venue is requested by the defendant. Which is a legal right. If there is a belief that impartiality cannot be applied. So yes they do, but they have the right and many times the judge denies change of venue.
@@pablomuzzobar8940 I'm just talking about the constitutional legal test, that's all.
When the woman was repeating "to protect the ones who protect us" I wish the journalist asked her "Who are you referring to with the pronoun "us"?"
If this passes they’re taking your freedom away, period. They’re just mad because they can’t get away with beating your ass with no consequence.
God as someone studying to become a police officer, I despise cops that acts like that. They make the job of every single good cop much harder...
When I'll graduate I will be extremely happy to wear a body camera. I have nothing to hide and it can even help me against false accusations.
Why would you want a police officer? Chile....
sir im not going to be arguing with you aa to why being a policeman is unideal...you can GOOGLE books, vidz and interviews as to why...im currently in the process myself. You really showed urself when you pulled the "white man bad" card. TAKE UP A BOOK.
You have to study to be a cop??
@Apeman Commeth Don't worry for me I am basically already in, just got to keep going a little more
@@TheExotich1 after high school its another 3 years and then another 6 months yes
Whoever came up with the idea to add cameras to cell phones...THANK YOU.
And France has the balls to say they are advocates of free speech. Filming and code are speech.
They're not banning the filming of police. Pay attention now. Film them, send the footage to the media, even post your footage online and just spend 2 minutes blurring out the officers faces with free software if you're soooooo ascared of filming them.
French people actually don’t say that
Free speech in France only exists when someone makes a depiction of the Prophet Mohammad.
Keep it up vice. Worthwhile story.
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Nothing makes me more proud of my heritage than a French protest. I hope to God France can stop going down this bad path, a law like this spits on the revolutionary spirit. Glad my great papa doesn't have to see what's happened to our homeland.
«Look guys, hes not wearing a mask! Lets not keep a distance, ask why hes not wearing one and beat him up instead»
Lmao all the Europeans telling me “I’m so glad I live in Europe and not the USA.” Your problems are no different then ours homie
100% true.This world fucking sucks. Corrupt politicians are everywhere.
We have it worse in several ways but most don't seem to realize it. No 2nd or even 1st amendments for us (you can get jailed for 'hate speech' in most of Western Europe).
I'm so glad I don't like in USA or Western Europe
Ikr, like yes hail Scandinavia when they have their own problems but people like to glamourize it.
Uuh no Europe is still a thousand times better
Who needs personal liberties.
accountability is over rated anyway
@@forrestl5597 yes, I never take any responsibilities for my actions!
No matter what you believe we can all agree they should not have put that guys bail at 6:44
This law is as crooked as it sounds. No way should a law like this even exist in thought.
So if the police are beating the shite outa someone, no one is allowed to film it for evidence?
You know someone has something really bad that they don't want you to know when they stop you from filming! This is so obvious!
In Spain this Law has been around for a while.
Since 2015 you can’t record the police
So what happens if someone secretly records and anonymously uploads it?
Macron's World
What’s wrong with Macron ?
Corrup and racist cops?
**shocked pikachu face**
6:36
Protect police from what? Do cell phone cameras emit deadly rays to only officers and military personnel?
what name have te song from final of the video? 6:56
If it passes people should sue the police departments for filming their officers with their own security cameras
now this, i like!
"Allowing people to film police as they are doing their jobs creates a stigma against the police."
Uh, no. Police officers abusing their power and acting as though they are above the law creates a stigma against the police. Allowing people to film allows people to uphold the rule of law.
@ 06:10 So she’s saying that filming police is harming them? Stigmatizing them? How? It’s just a record of what happened, nothing more.
How is recording them doing their job stigmatizing them?
She talks about the suburbs, the "zones of no-right" where police (and firefighters) are often assaulted by dozens of individuals. Daily videos of aggressions on police here. Poor french suburbans, disturbed by public servants.
@@williamdeschamps5804
That’s like a prisoner complaining that other prisoners are rough. 😒 natural course of action. Citizens can’t intervene in police business in order to save someone if they witness foul play, now they can’t even record it? So now it’s the police’s word against some random stranger. Any court would be biased.
They should make sure that they weed out all the bad apples from their ranks. Not take away one of the main tools that an innocent person needs to save their (or their loved one’s) lives. 🙄
With overwhelming evidence showing that police lie about records from time to time, how can the government pass such a disastrous law?
@@RojaJaneman you think setting traps and throwing rocks at police or firefighters from tops of buildings is natural course of action ?
@@williamdeschamps5804 where did I say/imply such nonsense?
@@RojaJaneman maybe your prisoner metaphora is not clear enough. But you say a citizen can not intervene ...(not true) and now can not record (not true)
6:24 I don't know how any human being can speak those words truthfully wtf
man I thought Americans justice system was messed up lmao
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Macron is too young by heart, and not fits for president role.
Better him than LePen.
God for bid they have proof when they try to hold them accountable
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If I have to have a camera pointed at me 24/7 while operating a cash register, then I think the men with government issued weapons should also be observed during all interactions with civilians
In many countries, at least police brutality is able to be seen online. If this bill is passed, it’ll be like being blindfolded and having your ears covered as someone is murdered in front of you
More police brutality, it will never stop, they will always beat up on the little guy
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So much for the ECHR. Christ, wtf France?
the way politicians reskin their argument as being for the public good is nauseating.
This is freakin crazy I hope this never passes..stand together against police brutality police harassment
I mean, this is not to put the footage online. Does that necessarily suppress the use of the footage in the court of Law?
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This is insane!!
If this bill passes they should at least make it mandatory for the officer to have their body cams rolling 24 hours on the clock. & if they dont have it on , they should take legal actions on them like suspension if they arrest and assault someone without body cam on
These types of actions would keep me from visiting France.
This is a fondamental right to film the police.
Yes, and this law doesn't say you can not
@@williamdeschamps5804 William es tu avocat ou un fonctionnaire ?
@@vicleg8377 avocat
D’accord, je ne fait que rappeler nos principes moraux 🤷♂️.
@@vicleg8377 les principes moraux en France sont inscrits dans...la loi. Par chance celle-ci n'interdit pas de filmer la police.
The bill should not pass, period.
Why ?
@@gd8316 easy a lot of cops lie and get away with anything if there is no evidence.
@@deathwizard1996 Why would there be no evidence ?
@@gd8316 some cops destroy evidence to cover their crimes. It is pretty simple since there has been past cases where a cop would basically do any crime imaginable and get away Scott free regardless of reasoning.
@@gd8316 with law enforcers it is hard to tell a good cop and a bad bunch of cops that would do anything regardless of moral
The camera inventor deserves a Nobel prize how ever cliché that too is.
2:12 The title is a clickbait lie. It says " *FILIMING* Police in France..." But then you learn the new Global Security bill has a section about UPLOADING VIDEOS OF POLICE TO THE INTERNET and not FILIMING.
France is good at protesting FTP do your thing ✊
There’s to much evil nowadays. Something big is coming.
Evil? The only evil that I see is America forcing ideas into other countries. France will never be the Zoo that America is.
if this happens to you no matter how wrong its better to comply with the police and come out injured than dead
That's some real bull sh*t
If I know France they’re will be anarchy for this
Bunch of bullsht... they should be able to record police. And the United States shouldn't give them aid if they pass the bill
What kind of aid do Usa give to France ?
@@benjamingervais4554 money, not a lot since 2014 but still 14,000 to 25,000 a year
I am against the law, but we don’t need your « aid »we are a rich country as rich as the us
1 year for recording a cop? who ever decided this was a good idea deserves to go back to preschool in the sped class
What's the update on this ?????
"in order to stigmatize the police forces" k.
This seems like fascism....
update?
Make sure nobody has a phone. lol
Thats crazy
If this bill gets passes, the yellow jackets gotta come back out until it's changed. Completely undermines modern freedoms to record in public places
Yellow jackets are out (sadly), demonized by french medias and heavily suppressed in the streets by police.
@@Jeybee84 Damn seriously? Has any change been made that you're aware of as a result of the protests? I'm over in the UK and all updates about the protests kinda just dropped off the map so didn't realize they were still going on
@@Jxrd99 Very minor changes. In the first weeks of the protests Macron took a step back by renouncing to the gas tax increase and some minor welfare aid (on dec 6 2018), and announcing the "Grand Débat" (great debate), i.e. he was supposed to collect the griefs of the french people and then act on it (as of today he did not, so it was just an empty promise). The protests continued however, so he changed strategy and just relied on a repressive method by giving carte blanche to the police (beating people up, shooting in the head with rubber bullet with no particular repercussion, using literal TNT on protestors [GLI-F4] on a widespread level), so people were afraid to go protest (at least 25 people lost an eye, 5 people lost a hand, countless of others were badly injured). In the meantime medias portrayed the yellow jackets as just people breaking stuff for fun and not having any political thought or even being able to. So eventualy the movement died out bit by bit, and COVID put an end to it because protests pretty much stopped in France. A lot of different stuff happened in the meantime, sorry I can just explain so much in a youtube comment, but that's basicaly the big picture. But things did not get better, and ever since Macron gave so much power to the police, they got used to it, and so yeah, you see through the video that it's just getting worse.
Common do a revolt
Your last one was so good. Been waiting on the sequel
This is absolutely unacceptable.
I should probably hide in my bunker. These comments might get wild. Care to join me?
cringe..
Tell me the address my friend osama is on the way with a plane
The future looks dark, I always wonder all the futuristic movies that Hollywood makes and showing that in the future we going to have a lot of violence and police just not doing nothing. Subliminal message? Or just a regular message.
Wish the police were doing nothing, it'd be an improvement at this point 😞
Law rejected by France's top court. Goodbye.
excuse me did i just see a fucking dispensary sign in the beggining??
i thought this was the united states smh
this is 1984
Man I gotta read those translations so MF fast
Apparently, a crowd watching police officers doesn't stop them from doing their job but as soon as the cameras turn on it gets in their way? The only way this could be true is if the police officers are doing something illegal.
In Italy we always say that the French are not okay.
Lol
Dude, do you want a recall of your history during world war II ? Do you ?
@@benjamingervais4554 I think that the present moment is more relevant.
Italy is so great, they all left the country to live around the world.
@@MunchenerFrance All I see is facts👀
Hear no evil, see no evil, share no evil
Yay? I saw this coming a mile away. But I thought it would happen somewhere in the US.
Yeah thats not censorship or anything...