Inside the Rebellion Against France’s Retirement Reform
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2023
- France is in turmoil after a dozen violent, nationwide protests against President Emmanuel Macron’s raising of the country's retirement age from 62 to 64 years of age, opening the possibility that voters will turn to far-right populist Marine Le Pen.
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I'm a french protester and i'v gotta say this documentary has flaws.
Why are french people mad is not due to the fact that we cant comprehend deficit. It's about the fact that when it comes to big firms during covid or for EU terrible electric market, there are billions raining. Every time cuts needs to be made its the hard working class that gets the short hand of the stick. Basically same reasons as yellow vests.
!!!! well said. Why not raise income tax immensely on Pharma corporations who bathed in cash during the pandemic but railway workers and trash collectors instead? This is the oppression of working class people which is being revolted against specifically.
Ok. That's a bit more nuanced than others. Most seem to not want to face the possibility that the previous pension arrangement was not sustainable.
I still question whether protests (as much as i really do about the French enthusiasm for them) are really the suitable response in all cases. Let's assume the pension plan absolutely was on the verge of collapsing and the use of emergency powers to push it through was legitimate. (Yes. I have doubts too.). Macron avoided a crisis and did somethibv he knew would ruin his reputation forever, but he didn't just avoid the situation and hand the problem to the next government. Historians would eventually describe his actions in positive terms, right?
In that scenario, the energy invested in protesting would possibly be better channeled into proposing an alternate solution to a complex economic and fiscal situation. I mean more than the simple proposals from protesters that are typically offered. Why not commit all the same time and resources into creating an alternate proposal that Macron's team did this one. Economic models and forecasts, statistical analyses of population changes and pension costs. And so on ...
I one hundred percent agree with this, vice is looking at this at face value and not how this has been a continued struggle against oppression throughout europe about government overstep
what has flaws is your lack of thinking skills and limitless arrogance
@@truereligiontedu it's because vice is made up of libtards
The biggest issue is that whenever theres a crisis, its the working class that has to "tighten the belt" and pay for the deficits created by large companies and billionaires not paying what they should in taxes (where the tax brakcet is already very favorable for them)
This is not about paying for some imaginary deficit. This is about decreasing salary (precisely: the socialized part of salary, that funds pensions among other things) to increase the rate of profit. He who understands the tendency of the rate of profit to fall can more or less predict the future.
Rlly i think european got highest tax rate, in indones company tax only 19%
Wow. Are you THAT ignorant? The French Government (Socialist) has run out of OTHER people's money. IT isn't the Corporations or the Billionaires. IT is the mismanagement of the money the Government has let get get out of control. Second, the Entitlements the Socialists promise....there isn't enough to go around. The "isms" don't work. France is a perfect example of this....they have CHANGED their Constitution many times because they can't get their : morality together, their financial house in order, and the Utopia promised is impossible.
I think this point is valid in the U.S but not in France. The French pay very high taxes.
Yeah and because they have money and can buy citizenship and political clout, they can run away to any part of the world to avoid paying taxes and avoid being confronted by the people they exploited.
The retirement age quoted for the US is deceptive. Yes one can retire at 66 but one doesn't get the full benefits amount payment unless ones retires at 70! And even that is not enough to live on.
Not sure what age group you belong to but mine is at 67, which is the same in France. If I wait till 70, my monthly increases by 8%. Although you can withdraw at 62 with reduced benefit in the US, 67 is at Full benefit. The French have another criterion: you must complete 42 years of work. Now it's 43. In the US, it's only 10. Their top Social Security monthly payout is about the same as the US ($3500-3600). In both systems, SS alone is not enough, the worker needs other sources like a pension or 401k and personal retirement/aavings account.
You can't even retire at all in the USA. USA lacks universal healthcare. Thus you need 6 figures set aside just for the healthcare expenses of old age alone... No retirement here is death unless your one of the fortunate few in reality.
And U die after 5 years.( Average) Sad
@@user-gz4ve8mw9l Old people over 65 and people with disabilities can have medicare which is government healthcare.….Keep making lies
Even IF I retire my current 401K won’t be enough to live for a year. College graduate. Lives paycheck to paycheck. One mortgage. Sadly my retirement will be when I die.
That young man said it.
When he mentioned that, at 33 retirement is far away for him but he's doing it for others, for those who are 60 and are being denied. Helping your fellow human, that's the key.
working for 2 years to fix a shitty fiscal situation -> "denied" lmao
Nous français ne sommes pas comme les américains où un feu dans la cuisine c'est bien tant qu'il n'est pas dans le salon. Non, nous sommes un seul peuple, une seule France.
@@MIZRAIM1906 bruh
@@MIZRAIM1906 Karim Benzema
@@cornelius_b It is what it is.....
Ibrahim is such a solid ass dude. I'm always impressed with hardworking honest family men. Rooting for your family Ibrahim! ✊🏾🎉
I'm also rooting for Ibrahim keep up the great work 😊
Same ❤
French here.
There are various reasons why people are marching. Some because of the retirement age : we know that low level job are physically tiring and people doing this job tend to live less than the average life expectancy, working more means working "to death" . The reform and the lack of revenue is just a political decision. There were various others source of revenue who could have been implemented ( putting back ISF, increasing salary and so on contributions... ) the ration 2:1 is true but during that time the productivity of each worker increased so not really relevant . But most of us are in the street for various political reasons and this reform is just the last straw.
What lacks in the US but is strong with the French workers is a class conscious. That’s what makes the difference. They see themselves in solidarity with other workers and know who their enemy is (the rich). Here, the working class is too busy fighting each other
@Fritiof Geisler read any book oml
ok so because I am no longer poor and have a lot of money I am a enemy
We’re not talking about the wealthy middle class or your grandpa that built his company from the ground up you nincompoops. We’re talking about billionaires and abusers of power that control our politics, media, and economy.
It's all by design, divide and conquer
Here in the US most of the wealthy elite have fooled the working class into believing they are acting in their best interests. The Democrat Party is founded upon that deception.
As a french, I laugh really hard when you said that "This reform is necessary" during the interview with the politic. There are other solutions to fund the pensions. Like taxing the most important entreprises and the richs. Most of the french are against a society where you pass all your life to work, we don't want this neoliberal and capitalist system, where the poorest work and die for the rich !
Taxer les riches aidera quasi pas le déficit économique de la france (car ils partiront). Regarde comment marche le système économique avant de parler de ça… (et oui c’est nécessaire car le seul autre moyen c’est taxer tt le monde)
@@zenitheleum tu as bien appris ta leçon. C'est exactement ce qui a motivé le gouvernement a supprimer l'ISF. Or si cela était remis en place on aurait déjà 5 milliards, et comme évoqué d'autres solutions sont possibles. Rien que la lutte contre la fraude fiscale peut ramener 80 milliards, de même avec une réduction des niches fiscales et un impôt plus progressif, aller un dernier exemple pour la route de gabegie financière, la cotisation sur la valeur ajouté des entreprises (CVAE) qui a été supprimée et qui rapportait aussi plusieurs milliards. Je répète, l'allongement de la durée de travail pour financer les pensions n'est qu'un choix politique néoliberal et capitaliste, d'autres choix étaient envisageables. Les riches vont continuer à se gaver pendant que les pauvres vont mourir au travail.
@@zenitheleum écope et frémis
@@scarabix3D : "There are other solutions to fund the pensions."
Ouhais ouhais... y a toujours un plan B... on ne sait jamais trop ce que c'est mais promis y en a un...
Faut arrêter de rêver ! : |
Les pensions sont payées par les actifs. Le système est comme ça !
Plus il y a de retraités, plus il faut ponctionner !
Lower bommer pensions
Funny how the average retirement for united states is 66-78 and my dad retired 3 years ago and is turning 63 this year. He still expects me to retire just like he did. I am 27 and my generation will likely never retire at this rate. When that lady said "people are dying on the job" it made me wish people here would realize this and group together against police and governing powers that be.
Retirement is a dream far beyond the horizon of just owning a home or not being in massive debt.
We will be lucky if we survive the creation of super intelligent AI.
its funny to know "there will be no retirement" anymore and thats sad cuz we shouldnt live with this mindset cuz there has to be retirement. and with this mindest its not that extreme and protests wont form cuz its a "crawling" process and not a hard cut.
Support police!!!
🖕workers
I plan to never "retire". I dont see the purpose of sitting around waiting to die. Rather work doing something I enjoy until Im dead. I say this as a 25 yo.
We in the States need to actually do something about our situation instead of allowing this digital binary to dictate how we're supposed to feel. Solidarity with France!
We don't even have universal healthcare in the USA... were so beyond screwed.
@@user-gz4ve8mw9l Then we should do something about it! The digital binary must be broken!
Digital binary? It's too binary in the US. Nothing to do with digital.
Nobody is doing anything about it because if we did they literally bomb the citizens. America doesnt gaf
@@spateri728 left and right, rich and poor, college graduates and high school graduates, diploma holders and tradesmen, politicians and media, white and black, man and woman, trans and cis, straight and gay, police and criminal, sympathy and anger. Division, division, division. Most opt out and choose to leave society to crumble. They no longer care.
At 6:10 did he really say "we spent billions of dollars supporting firms and have to pay for it by taking money away from workers".
No he said 10s of billions of EUROs. Dollars aren't used in Europa
Welcome to capitalism.
@@gallectee6032 shut up you communist. Every country around the world spent money propping up companies because of lost revenue during covid. You know what caused that? government regulations.
You know why the government spent money propping them up? because they provide employment and investment. This was largely the same regardless of company size. Small businesses were able to apply for support as well due to loss of income.
what do you think would happen if all these companies shut their doors, wrote off their entire workforce, pulled operations from their country. Covid restrictions end and HUGE numbers of people have no job to go back to, economy stagnates further etc etc.
You guys just say derrrrrr workers means of production deerrrrrrrr capitalism bad derrrrrrrrrrr we want free money!
Get a clue. Socialism has slammed the breaks on every economy it has ever been applied to in history and communism has murdered countless millions.
Yes, and on top of that they believe that "we don't understand this reform" even if 3/4 of french people are against it...
So apparently 75% of the French population is stupid. And of course it seems that only Macron's supporters (mostly people already retired) are smart people...
10 minutes of a video is not long enough to display all the lies and the total disrespect of this government towards an entire country.
It's probably just the lack of english language knowledge... The billions spent are spent to protect jobs, without those billions there would be no jobs to strike. Now, the deficit is huge and they have to cut it, the only way of cutting a deficit is by making more money, the only way to do that is prolong (I mean by 2 years, that's crazy I would rise it by at least 7 years) the working age. France is an old country every year the number of workers is decreasing, hence less taxes, hence less money, hence bigger deficit. It's extremely logical but people usually don't think logical but with sheep mentality.
The french really love their revolutions dont they
Yesss🎉
A very Brit thing to say though
They really love their dignity. As an Englishman I wish we had their guts and self respect.
They love anything that lets them avoid work, France looks worse and worse as the years go by
@@person.X.agreed
As a French : we are not convinced that this reform is necessary because it is NOT.
The poorest workers are already dying at work before getting to even live their retirement.
We will NOT agree to let even more workers die while working. If we want a pension reform : we want it to become BETTER, like at 60 instead of today's 62 for example, not worse.
Good on you for staying aware. The rich lie to sound reasonable making these cuts to the things you have earned rightfully. There are more solutions available such as immigration and taxing rich more. Good to know you are not allowing yourself to believe their lies. Those lies...that sound somewhat reasonable on the surface is how the US became the way it did. We stopped fighting. We let things get this bad. Our working class fights each other rather than the rich who TRULY caused our issues. Don't ever let what happened here happen to you. Love from the US🇺🇸
They are working extra for the European Union who will us taxes paid by French to send to other countries like greece or poland...
Im from the netherlands and alot of money go to poorer EU countries
je suis aussi français mais je pense que c'est nécessaire qu'il font ca. I'll speak in english for the others, however, as mentioned prior the worker to retired ratio is nearing 1:1, this won't allow for the lavish 62 yearold retirement age and cost. Compare it to any other EU country, we have the lowest one alongside four other countries.
How many years has French life expectancy increased since the retirement age was set at 62 - 15? 18? Sometimes, if you want to have a society, you have to act like a member of it, and even - !quelle horreur! - take one for the team. Grow up, 🤡.
@@detenteworld are statistics convincing then ? In France : if you are in the 5% of the poorest workers you have 25% risk of dying before being 62 years old.
It's FACTUAL and yes, it is the same in other countries and you know what ? It's obviously something that the rest of the world should change. What is even the point of saying that ? "in other countries people die too so you should die. Stop trying to improve your way of life".
Apparently you agree with the idea of working till you die. Have fun.
Much respect for the french people, they stand for their rights no matter what, stay strong.
What's their long-term plan, though? The average lifespan of French people has increased from 70 in the 1960s to 82, yet the retirement age has stayed the same. That means that pensions have to fund people for 20 years rather than 8 years. France has one of the earliest retirement ages in Europe, and it's not even close to countries such as Denmark (67) or the UK (66). There are 5 million more pensioners in France than there were in 2001. What do the protestors think will happen in 20 years when there are another 5 million extra pensioners and fewer workers to fund it.
@@1815matt It may be that the current retirement age isn't solid long term, however bypassing the parliament to enforce unpopular change is undemocratic and stuff like that shouldn't happen without repercussions.
@@1815matt the government will be slowly increasing that age, imagine being 64, and they increase it to 67
@@1815matt The reason there 5 million more pensioners in 2022 than 2021 is because of the boomer generation. That trend will not continue. It's the same in the US. The boomers are all retiring and it's putting strains on retirement systems across the globe.
Respect for which French people ? Because the young French people are getting screwed. And standing up against what ? Basic math ?
En: It's ironic that those who put in the law, won't even have to reach anywhere near 64 to retire.
FR: Ironiquement, ceux qui ont adopté la loi n'auront même pas à atteindre l'âge de 64 ans pour prendre leur retraite.
Productivity goes up, company profits go up, the number of billionaires goes up, but wages and working hours stagnate, and now they want to increase the retirement age. That’s what’s making people mad. The unfairness.
zen....the japanese came up with hybrid cars
They need to tackle the root of the problem instead of increasing the retiring age. Instead of them trying to find alternative solutions, they would rather push the problem to the younger gen to front the bill. Enough is enough. Solidarité avec le peuple de France.
What is the root of the problem, in your opinion? And what are some alternatives that you'd support?
@@d0lvl0 tax the rich
Without their workers, they make no money. The workers should not be working longer so the rich can avoid paying taxes. It's completely unfair and even stupid to allow oneself to be screwed over like we do in the US. Full respect to the French for standing up to tyranny.
@@d0lvl0 Somewhere along the lines, pension has been mismanaged causing it to collapse without the additional contribution of everyone.
@@ZentaBon are you uninformed are you just downright stupid? France has already passed an exorbitant tax-the-rich reform. That in itself caused many rich Frenchmen to leave the country. How much more will you tax them? If their capital fled the country, who will fill the gap in investments?
@@d0lvl0 Pay hasnt kept up with the rise in productivity. If corporations actually paid living wages, people will actually have enough savings and social security to live off of after retirement. Defict is result of corporations refusing to pay livable wages, exploiting the workers. You should know that your taxes are going rise to make up for the deficits created by the corporations.
My retirement age is 67 don't even think i will make that number.
I would rather go to prison than working after age 60.
Costs the state more to keep you there, good option 👍 👌 😊
@@masih9595 Working is good your for your health.
mine also, 67 and by the way the age in germany is 67 and not 66. I do hope and think that you will make it . Me, ,myself i just want to be with my son again and my life i once had before retirement...but this will never be. So i take a deep breathe and get outside to feel the spring as long as i can or stay inside alive argueing with a lot i can not change.🤣🤐🤔🤫🤭🤧🤒😷😴🤠
@@n3gi_ you must be drunk, to type that crap.
I have seen several reports on this issue in a few different languages. This is the first one that does not clarify what workers are saying when asked the "it's only a couple of years" question: it would be a first step towards bigger bites in their pensions the future, exactly like it happened in other countries. This story makes the workers seem unreasonable. Not only you show in the beginning how the French (probably the ones who have been screwed less on several different fronts by the Thacherist BS, precisely because they still struggle hard when needed) seem privileged compared to how everyone else is "normal", you give voice to a top govt official and not to the equivalent in the unions (it's the random guy in the protest on one side, and the president's wing man on the other...).
Love how vocal the French people are to their government. All these governments worldwide are taking too much from its people
Go France, stand up for what you want!
Not a word on police violence, demonizing the protesters, unions being strong harmed, alternatives to the reform, etc. Very lackluster piece guys.
Retirement Reform was so passively passed here in Brazil. We should be more like the French.
Well that’s what happens when you elect a criminal into power
Sad this country don't have the balls to do this we to worried about losing material things
It's in part because we know the police will kill us with little to no regard and face no consequences. The French don't have that mental barrier to cross which makes things like this easier to happen, which is why this happens every few years in France for one thing or another.
Its not about balls its about being divided lol in the past we had the strongest unions ever
@@Student0Toucher there was a time...for sure....gramps arrived to Ellis Isle and told us stories of nearly starving,being beaten fighting for fair unions and no child 🚸 labor..
It's sad, but then again....The US cops are heavily armed compared to the French ones.
Your community can’t even stop robbing wal marts.
Workers of the World, Unite~! 🚩
My retirement age is 72 in the Netherlands (depends on different things, currently the average is 66 and 4 months, but can be much higher). Many people of my generation (I'm 35) will never reach retirement. The weird thing is, it pegged not to actual increase in life expectancy, rather predicted life expectancy in the future. So even if life expectancy drops like it has in the past 5 years, they still increase the retirement age with the argument that they "believe life expectancy will rise again".....
Work is pretty chill in the Netherlands. I remember people skipping work whenever the weather was nice.
@@thewirah1 That really depends on the sector and employer. There are over 1,5 milion working poor, living below the poverty line. They can't skip a day of work, can't go on holiday and depend on food banks to feed themselves and their children. Your casual dismissal is a slap in their face. Please be aware of your privilege...
Life expectancy it's the most surrealistic excuse. Not ones does knowledge when will leave it this planet. Actually now becomes more contaminated and dangerous than time ago. The only reason does make some common sense there is cutting economic expenses or recovery costs from the pandemic expenditures that alias it's one obligation than any government must to confronting if they are disasters situations must protecting their's citizens from that.
Yeah I wish we had the protest-culture of the French, but at least the housing protests are a hopeful sign.
@עילג ישראלי Depends style of life as healthy and peaceful behaviors. Not always possible for someone having big family's and poorly heavy jobs.
This is what we need, solidarity with France 🇫🇷
This is what true democracy is like. Solidarity to France.
I'm French. Great Vice 's doc.👍🏻🇫🇷. Its just the beginning
on est là
This video is repeating some of the condescending framing that the French government makes all the time. The people aligned with this movement know that something needs to be done with the pension system. The government is acting like they are just stupid and that the government is simply making the hard, but correct decisions. This is not the case. Before this reform was rammed through there was tons of discourse in France about how instead they could make other changes, like taxing the extremely wealthy more, who have seen their wealth rise rapidly during covid. Of course this move would be intolerable to Macron, which is why he does not even contemplate it. Instead he is attempting to go in the wrong direction by burdening the working class even more, and leaving the his wealthy friends in their privileged position untouched. This is antithetical to any kind of societal progress we should be striving for.
I admire the French nation for how they can unite and fight for their rights is something amazing nowadays!!
Why do other European countries keep their heads down and do nothing about it?!
Well done France!!
Solidarity to France! 🇫🇷🇫🇷
Good luck France 🇫🇷
If only the us would wake up and do this
Several things you must understand : although we can stop working at 62, there is also a number of trimester we must work to be eligible for full pension, otherwise we only get a percentage of the pension. For this reason, since people do longer studies, we typically don't retire at 62, and it's common for people to work until 65. Macron also got rid of arduousness criterias allowing people with hard, physical jobs to retire earlier ; which means that most people working physically demanding jobs will die before they even get to retire. Meanwhile the richest people in the country got even richer during COVID-19 and somehow we, workers and youth, must pay for the reform?
I'll also add that now, we're not just angry about the retirement reform. We're angry about the obvious attempt to normalize privatization of services which will only cost the working class even more money ; we're angry about the blatant disregard for the social unrest that has been brewing for literal years, and angry at the undemocratic practices that allowed this reform to pass in the first place.
Nice to see a good summary of the real protest reasons !
Must respect for the French!
USA
one beautiful thing: people who can't be in the streets but have the same ideas than the strikers were invited to give money donation for the ones who are in the streets and won't be paid. almost 3 millions euros were collected.
Love and solidarity to France
Thank you!
Bruv there not at war 😂
@@thepatriot47 so you can’t say love and solidarity?
@@aquasnippy no 🗿
As a Frenchman, thanks for the video. It's a bit short however. It's not about material comfort or balancing the economy, it's about quality of life. There's plenty of money in France. The richest man on Earth right now is French, the richest woman is French too. Enough is enough. We shouldn't have to oppose our gouvernment for making our life more decent. It's supposed to be its duty. Dignity is a basic need and a fundamental right. Let the elders have some rest.
Never let what happened in the US happen to you. Trust me it's FAR WORSE. I am glad it seems you are not at risk. Spread the word as much as possible. Don't get stuck working to death with no vacation like we do. With unaffordable healthcare. Those posts online of people paying $50k USD for simple surgeries are real. They are not jokes. That's what happens when people do nothing to prevent the decay of the quality of life. PLEASE continue. Keep what you've rightfully earned. Please!!
@@ZentaBon I'm really sad to hear what's happening in the US. I'm well informed with what's going on in your country. To see so many politicans (and people) stand against healthcare even though it could solve so many of your problems is saddening... As a Frenchman, I wish US citizens the best in the future to come. This struggle will be a long cold night, but not lonely as you'll always have friends all around the world. I wish all Americans could remember the "a tiny ripple of hope" speech Robert Kennedy has given, it is such a gift.
@@arty3738 thank you very much Arty. Not only for your kind words but for keeping an eye and looking out. Stand strong. I admire your dedication, your courage, your solidarity. Never let the lies from the rich permeate. Never let the rich cause you to fight your follow working class like we did. Never give an inch...or, centimeter. :) Teach your children not to as well. Use the US as an example of why not if you must. I will continue here to have hope. It's harder here. We lack the same class Consciousness here. We've allowed the rich to convince us to fight amongst ourselves, blaming fellow working class citizens for the issues caused by the rich. We protest each other rather than protesting the rich.
So, you are against capitalism? the rich people that earned that money should pay for you?
@@tuanoful You do not make billions through hard work, you make them thanks to cheap labour, public aids and greed. The balance has to change!
I wish we as americans did this to protest the government and corporations
Occupy Wall Street again?
Don't count on it. Most are too comfortable and busy filling their minds horizons with sports, gambling, and celebrity bs.
Not just the US, we in the UK are just as apathetic. Too many of the population are happy to watch so called celebrities rather than confront issues that will affect them.
@@wts7759 you too?!
@@theempoweredman7353 afraid so..
Stay strong. Tax the rich. The working class shouldn't be picking up the tab that the rich should be picking up. The rich only have what they have because of the working class. Without workers, they'd have no money.
They could just move away. 😂
@@truthseekers864 sure. The rich are like leeches. The working class should not have to endure worse conditions to maintain a population of rich people who aim to take everything the working class has.
But always be careful, when politicians say: "We will tax the rich, rich and give it to the poor" they mean "we tax middle class and give it to the upper class".
@@Shadow25720 Trump all day but people are too dumb to get it.😂
@@Shadow25720 yep, I've seen that too.
Go France! xD I'm so jealous seeing your country so unified.
Macron has done one thing : everyone hates him now in unity
How can it be so unified while Macron having a big far right contender
unified? Lol the people are losing. They dont even have guns to stop the tyrants. The protestors got steamrolled by police
Excellent work as always!😊
If the United States’ working class would realize the power they have and were to strike, we could bring this entire country to a halt.
Talk to your coworkers. Organize your community. Together we’re unbreakable.
Especially since they've got _guns_ for part of that very reason
The enemy in the USA is always the opposing political party. It’s very convenient.
@@wtfdtreats You mean we.
We're too busy Runnin' on Dunkin' to revolt. It's hard to stand up for your rights when you're too obese to stand up.
if americans act out of like they get shot. just look at what happened with the george floyd protests. unfortunately it’s just not an option for americans. our government has no issue with killing us.
Based. Solidarity with the workers.
The nationalists will return. Enough of your foreign gay druggie nonsense. Ditch
I love the French 😂, they're more American than we ever were
Not really lol dude wants socialism…Most Americans never wanted socialism just strong unions and socialized healthcare
@@Student0Toucher lmao who said socialism? No country is fully socialist. Most are capitalism and socialism hybrid
@@Student0Toucher No they don’t… they want fairness. Americans will give their money to billionaires just because then complain they don’t have money for rent, etc. If you want to see socialism at work, look at Canada. Yet Canada still offers more than America with guaranteed pensions as well. Americans live paycheck to paycheck then toss around socialism claims. Other countries see this as a ruse, keep falling for it.
@@Student0Toucher That's socialism tho lol.
@@dima9171hat’s not socialism💀💀 Socialism is Workers Democracy
Can we get an update on this situation?
It is NOT only about the retirement reform. There is so much more going on
Zack Amor :: You're right ! Once this "reform" settles in ... other "reforms" will be coming ...
Stay strong France, here in the US we have to many sheep
I like how their logic is that the French people have it so good, they should just give up some of what they've fought to have so the government can have it easier.
Cameraman is always safe.
The main political referent of the protest is Melenchon, with la France Insoumise and more in general the NUPES, it is NOT Le Pen. Stop trying to smear the protester as possible fascist supporters.
We need to join together like the French people have. Our govt in the US, both left and right is NOT for it's people. They are out for themselves.
Yes you should.dont let govs walk all-over you
What's the update??... it'll be June in a couple days. Does anyone know??
The people of France are doing the right thing. I hope Le Pen doesn’t get elected to anything though, there needs to be a strong alternative to her far-rightism and Macron’s centrism.
It exists : it's called "NUPES" with the main political party being "La France Insoumise" but for some reason you don't hear about them almost at all even though they almost got elected to run the country with Mélenchon.
Recent polls have shown that Le Pen's party has grown all the while NUPES has remained stagnant or lost a bit of support. How do you explain this 🤨
@@Gserrano27 :: Le Pen appeals to the lowest of the low. In this climate of hate, the far-right will usually perform well.
I remember when I first started working the retirement age I agreed to was 55 in California and I never agreed to anything else
It's terrible what they are doing to people and it certainly shows them as the souless creatures they are
We should steal money from Russia and give half of it to retirees!
Yeah retirement age is one point, but you should have mentionned that the French have to pay for 43 years the taxes that are dedicated to retirement before, in Germany and in the UK it's only 35 ! We are not at all spoiled brats ! We pay a lot of monney on taxes here, and when I say a lot, it's not a joke at all !
Cassel said nothing to Ferracci to challenge the neoliberal framing of the discussions around the pension reform. Raising the retirement age is not the only option.
We need this in the US
Law or protest?
@@thepatriot47 jesus wept
@@toyotaprius79 " just gimme the answer man" Jesus said calmly
@@thepatriot47 protest is law, we have the right to do this in the US to advocate for worker's rights
@@newbladey ok thank you
looks like the other 99% of the human population is getting sick of the 1% telling us what to do
Meanwhile in the USA, retirement age is 65 and likely going up to 70 soon and 70% of millennials will just never retire at this point.
Kudos to the French! Take note USA. Whites and Blacks United against the system. Don’t let them divide you. You can’t do anything if you’re all divided and it goes further than skin colour, I see Americans divided over race, sex, politics, etc. PLEASE UNITE!
I know so little about what is going down (don't hate) but I wanted to know what were some of the alternatives since the video did not show any or have someone speak on it.
Find the money elsewhere. Ppl used to retire at 55. Research shows that blue-collar workers especially cost companies more if they work longer than 55. Even white collar workers are significantly less effective after 60.
France is going to lose out if this passes. This is long term stupidity for a short term problem.
Can we do this in america but with corporation taxes
There must be a lot more to it than what's being reported here, because the numbers totally make sense to me. If the retirement income is being solely funded by the people who are working and you don't have enough workers to fund the retirement income of the people who have already retired then of course you have to raise the retirement age so you have more people contributing. Like the politician said, people have gotten used to an exorbitant amount of government support during COVID and it has to stop. That young woman claiming that she'll be "worked to death" if she has to work an extra two years is a completely ridiculous argument. I actually laughed when she said that.
Love how the subtitles dont go with whats actually being said in French
It's so hard to work in the public sector 😢
I got chills watching this, hope this goes down in history and power to the people
It will not. It's typical french protest + riots. Yellow west protest barely change anything and this one is already change nothing because Constitutional Council gave a green light to Government's pension bill and Macron signed on Friday. It's done.
In the UK, you can still work as hard you want, but if your wages are not making ends meet then you get support on top of your wages or more support to find a better job at least. Also the retirement age is higher in the UK, because we have a aging population (so not enough young people I guess) which is a serious problem.
well thats nice, in the US it's the opposaite xD if you have no money we give you money and healthcare, but not enough to live... to encourage your lazy ass to work (sarcasm). Then once you get a job (required to take any job offered) then you get cut off from the healthcare and the money :) and then you are basically just as bad off as you were before, yeay! lol
Not everyone gets that support as the system is designed to be difficult
Help the U.S by allowing some Central American immigrants…Much better than immigrants from Middle East as they are Catholic and Latin countries are European influenced
UK has many disadvantages and issues but if you want to work and provide for your family you absolutely can. This country has incredible opportunities. Some people can easily make money and support families coming over without any knowledge of English or any skills. They just appreciate the opportunities to work and make the pay is usually very good.
@@Ouroboros542 if you went outside isnstead of browsing youtbue you know it isn't that bad. You are just dramatising stuff to make the uk sound interesting, I know cos I live in yorkshire and that isn't a rich place in the uk.
bro at 0:56 couldnt stop looking at you lol
Americans, remember that our government raised the retirement age to 67... But yeah....
In Denmark we work until 67 years.
What French people have been doing for themselves will indirectly improve the rest of the world's quality of life, too. Greedy governments around the world loooove to copy each other's "best practices" and "ground-breaking reforms", so if French people succeed at this, then there's a chance for the rest of us to be able to retire before we die, because some governments may stop and think before raising the retirement age even further.
I'm not so sure about that. They previously protested the gax tax a few years ago and successfully got it shut down, and yet, countries across the world, especially here in the US, are getting ready to pass similar legislation
There are some noises here in the States about raising Retirement age to 75.
Other countries @ 65: Damn, even Im still working.
when is vice covering what's happening in Palestine i would love to see it.
Retirement age isnt just raised by 2 years, it's effectively raising to 67 for most workers. That's why French are so mad, also because tyrant Macrons reasoning is unjustified (he refuses to discuss a tax rise on the rich for example, is raising the defense budget touting "independent European security" in Beijing, yet complains about deficit) and his methods are undemocratic. He does not have the votes to do his "agenda", the voters rejected him in 2022 and he lost his parliamentary majority. Guess when he started using his dictatorial measure to push his (the rich's) agenda through? Exactly. The moment he lost his majority. Instead of compromising and working with opposition to pass it like you are supposed to in a democracy, he again resorts to that anti-Democratic provision of the constitution. Macron through his mouthpiece has been forcing through his agenda numerous times since he lost his majority. This is not a "nuclear option" for him, and it isn't justified even if it was. The "reform" (cut) is opposed by much of educated population and working class, experts and laymen. He has lost the confidence of anyone in the country who isn't an ultra rich boomer, the same demographics that he needed to win his election btw.
The youth has always rejected him. And no, we dont need to defend his agenda pushing because "if we dont then we may get the far-right le pen 😱😱😱😱😱" this pathetic attempt at a diversion is some ridiculous rich people propaganda, you can oppose both le pen and this. People know that what Macron is doing here is already far-right and Le pens agenda. French people are not stupid, they see right through her, and most people don't support that kind of politics in France.
People are now realizing the Republic must be completely overhauled so we don't have this issue again, and Macron must go. Sorry for bad English.
People wouldn’t want to retire if they weren’t wage slaves.
This documentary is missing a lot of key points of the french pension reform. This pension reform will make it so that each person needs to work a certain amount of months so that they can accumulate enough points to have their full pension. This means that most people will not even retire at 64 but will have to work longer to get that full pension.
Women that have children will have to work longer because of this point system. There is also the issue of " regime spéciaux" (special regimes). These are special pensions for certain jobs such as the railway workers. They are getting rid of most of the special regimes except for the president's, ministers and other members of gouvernement (of course🙃 ). A nother big issue is that during covid te EU signed accord with backrock for them to take care of European pensions funds. We fear that this reform is the first step for retirement in France to go from state controlled to private.
This was already the case before the reform. The Touraine law (2014) make it impossible for people that have started workind at 25 years old to go on retirement with full pension at 62. And the EU didn't signed anythnig with Blackrock on the pension.... And even if France goes into capitalisation of pensions that would be better for everyone and a good solution for the current crisis. Sweeden has this and it's working.
in 5 years they will raise it to 67
Imagine If the US had this level of political activism... French people are involved and paying way more attention then people here in the USA. That's why the French have such robust worker's rights. Unfortunately the USA has too much "pull yourself by your boot strap", " self made man", individual above all mentality. This leads to our in inability to fight for the greater good, it's always, what's in it for me?how is it effecting me? Narrow minded thinking. Keep fighting Frenchies!!!
it would be extremely hard to control crowds if everything was covered in something slippery
Why is there even a retirement age anyways. What does it even mean? In American it’s like 65. Is that the required age or something? And how is that if I hear about 35 yo billionaires retiring? Or are they just choosing to not work and calling it retiring?
... I never had to collect garbage, but my whole working life consisted of physical labor, I raised two children, bought and maintained an ordinary house with my wife and partner, and - after forty three years my wife and I still live in that house ... I retired at the age of sixty-five.
I am Ibrahim's brother ... not in race, not in nationality and not in age ... but in spirit.
I mean I'm going to be real and as fair as I can be here. While I don't agree on Macron doing an undemocratic procedure to push a bill through and I agree with Protests on that, I also do see the clear graph of an aging population and a declining birthrate being a major problem. Something needs to be done, and the whole idea of "we can't do it this way" is the reason, not just France, everyone is in this similar situation. Something needs to be done, and we can't kick the can down the line any longer, and people need to figure something out soon.
Our productivity is 100x that of Middle Ages yet we're working more hours. The problem is, all that wealth is going to the 1% at the top. There is plenty of wealth to be distributed, but it's the corporate interests that keep stumbling economic democracy.
Thank you! And it would also be more accurate to stop calling a procedure undemocratic when it does not break any constitutional rules. This reform was necessary and the French will NEVER agree with any kind of reform anyway. Other governments abdicated over social security, labor law, education...so on and so forth. Macron has the guts to carry on without trying to placate those who shout the loudest.
What that graph ignores is the fact that instead of forcing everyone to work more, the government could have raised taxes on the the extremely wealthy, especially after their unprecedented gains in wealth during the pandemic.
Except we don't have a declining birth rate. Maybe try researching the topic before sharing an opinion based on ignorance.
@@yanis905 The reform is not necessary. Many economists explain in detail why it's not. Macron is a neo-liberal pig that wants to transform the country into something it's not. A person's value should not be solely about their productivity. He wants productivity to go up, what the hell does he want us to produce during the climate crisis?
He's peddling neo-liberal thinktank policies from the 2000s.
Of course it was undemocratic, he severely limited the time they were allowed to debate, and then pushed it through without a vote, using a bit of legislation that was intended for the annual spending budget.
Macron can't walk the street anywhere in France, and now the world. Harass the midget gofo wherever he goes.
Everyone who believes that the protest is only about retirement ages has not opened their eyes in the past 3 years...
Please journalists, do your job… 62 yo is the minimum age of retirement. But in France we have to work for 43 years to get the full pension, otherwise, you will get a portion of it. So the first graph is completely false! In fact, if you had an unemployed period, were student until 25 yo / 27 yo, you can but you wouldn’t retire.
This reform is also unfair for early workers who’s started before they are 21 yo (they worked 43 years, but cannot retire)!
Aside of it, the government can’t stop removing taxes for big companies and for rich people (they even did it during the protest with the CVAE) and now they say the budget is in trouble…
We are protesting also because the parlement couldn’t vote for this law, the government pass it anyway by forcing it and reinterpreting our constitution! For those interested, they use a corrected finance law project, which is supposed to be used only for the budget of the next 3 months (the retirement has like a 40 years impact…) which allows them to use the famous 49.3 articles that bypass the parlement, we are fighting for this also! What’s next??
I wish the journalists talk about all of this, and how the French democracy is attacked by this way of passing laws.
In the USA the retirement age is 67. No wonder we have the oldest president in history.
Meanwhile in germany.
German Politicans:" We will increase retirement age requirements from 64 to 68."
German people: " I dont think thats nice but ok..."
German Politicians: (whoop that went smoothly) "soon we will increase it to 70 years of age."
Best case scenario for Germany, as a country, is for the workers to die as soon as they can’t work anymore. That’s how the world works now and will continue to work somewhat for the next 100 years.
@@adurpandya2742 With advancements in technology, work hazards will decline while healthcare and life expectancy will become better. Instead of dying, more people will live longer, and more old people will need to be supported by the young workers
@@V.A.B.-31 there is no real proof? What world are you living in? China alone has tremendously increased the livelihood and lifestyle of its people and lifted hundreds of millions from poverty. Same goes with India although it is far slower than China. Both countries have their problems, yet their people's lives has become a lot better compared to a few decades ago. This is also true with southeast asia. As China's labor rises, labor-intensive factories will leave China and go somewhere else (i.e. South East Asia and Africa). Deadly diseases that were once fatal are now easy to cure. And if there's no war, the situation will keep on gradually becoming better albeit it being far slower for the worker class compared to wealthy entrepreneurs. I don't know how blind are you to not see the advancements or are you disregarding it because it doesn't fit your narrative? Yes, capital will congregate into the top people's hand. That's a given already unless you stop using the services and products that their businesses offer. But of course, you can't because they have made life ultra-convenient.
@@roanlancephil9915 Nah, the advancements in technology are not invested billions into to help you my friend, it is to replace you and get rid of expenses. Nobody is having babies in the west so nobody is gonna pay for your healthcare and retirement.
@@roanlancephil9915 or we could just implement lifespan restrictions
I'm in France and disappointed that this report misses the hypocrisy of tax cuts and shelters for the government's big business friends, cuts that could easily cover the gap. I wonder if raising the retirement age has an added benefit for big business: it creates a larger supply of labor which can further reduce wages, without changing productivity.
They're living much better than US workers it looks like. The problem is the bailouts for the rich at the expense of the workers.
What’s really weird to me in the USA retirement at 65-67 is SO dumb when you look at the Unemployment numbers and those only reflect people who apply for unemployment- the real number is way higher. Specifically what jobs are they? Is there really not a better pool of people or ai.? There’s Nothing dignified being a 60 year old breaking into a career in fast food. Besides, Don’t we rely on those family members to watch children?
America is in a dire situation indeed. I don't understand why so seem to believe so much in individualism. A lot of people won't have pensions and the elders don't have time for their grand children. You don't have universal health care and basically no warranties at work. Greetings from Costa Rica!
@@TR4R I will say, the failure of the social security system is helping fuel the talk about individualism. People point to it as a failure of socialist programs.
Boomers are putting a strain on retirement systems across the world.
My gram is still working at 67 and will most likely continue to work until she physically is unable to. Then she will have barely any money to live on. We do not take care of our workers or elders in the USA. The dream truly is nothing but a dream now.
@@joeb134 republicans are squeezing the life out of the social security plan and trying to kill it now. Wbich would be worse for our people.
Plus republicans are trying to raise the retirement age here as well, and in Iowa they made it legal for 14-17 yearolds to work our most dangerous jobs from meat factories to fish canning to coal mining. Kids were protected for a very long time now until repugnicans got greedy again.
Yup. I have a co-worker over 60. She was supposed to be retired 3-4 years ago. But her benefits were not enough so she came back to work. She cannot survive without her job. Sad. The French are right. There’s a time to work and a time to rest and enjoy the rest of the life they have. Cannot work till 67-70. Plus the young ones need jobs. % unemployed of young 18-25 is too high in France.
Americans could learn a thing or two from France and the rest of the world on how to protest/revolutionize, they keep raising the retirement age in america and trying to take away social security and all we do is bend over and take it hence why things are getting so extreme here cause they know we ain’t gonna do sh*t, keep at it France ✊🏾
i think two big pieces of information that were left out are that (1) a big part of the deficit is directly linked to macron reducing taxes on big fortunes and companies. with these taxes its been proven that the reform would be much less necessary. and (2) though france has one of the earliest retirement ages in france, that doesn't really matter - the amount of years you have to work to get your full pension is the more important number. with this reform, france would become the only country in western europe to require over 40 years of work to achieve a full pension.
thanks, that's a good, clear assessment of many things the video left out. I'll admit, I'm an American who's been viewing these French protests with genuine bewilderment. They say we as Americans like to "work to death" but in reality we just want jobs that we like and that give us purpose. For instance, with the job I currently have, I never really want to retire. I love my job. If I retired I'd be bored. But it's not because we want to "work to death".
Considering that France has a history of such reaction against pension reform, it looks like Macron should have put the reform through more cautiously and slowly to lessen the chance of such reaction to it. Using 49.3 to force it through was a mistake.
*_LET'S GO!_* 🤟
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Workers of the world could learn a thing of two from France.
Fellow Americans, it's our time
It's not about the pensions only, it's a lot more than that. We are fighting for power to be in the hands of people and not a small minority
Took you guys long enough to report this