Amazing how you show us the difference between black and brown EQ s in the analyzer, much better than other youtubers just talking about it while you actually show the difference in the analyzer, Amazing!
First time anyone’s explained the routing. I never understood “chan out” or “spit”. Wow I that makes so much sense. Still don’t get the “chan out” on the eq?
Great David! I have 3 plugins "on the table" at the moment.... SSL Channel Strip 2, Waves SSL Channel (not the ev2), bx_console 4000E... Your video is a year old, so I assume some of it was released later. What do you think of the bx_console SSL 4000 or the newer SSL native channel strip 2?
Thanks for the demo! I can hear the impact the plugin has on the transients just running through it. Curious if you'd ever try the SSL native content too? One of the benefits of the Waves SSL is that the saturation content happens in line with the plugin. The SSL native has a separate plugin for saturation. I really like the fidelity of the SSL Native most as far as SSL emulation plugins go. The plugin dr visuals were really insightful in showing row impact of even activating the eq circuit. The high mids sound very good in the Waves and the top end seems sweeter. Definitely a tempting tool to get!
I usually just use Logic’s test tone generator and sweep the alias free sine wave up to Nyquist. If I don’t hear any shirps (sounds like many sine waves). Then I’m happy.
Nope. SSL produced several eq's: E series O2 type (Brown Knob) - this is the oldest. 232 type (Orange Knob) - sometimes referred to as Pultec 242 type (Black Knob) - Views on this one are very polarized. At customers request it was often built into new G series consoles however many studios retro-fitted G EQs into their previously Black EQ desks. It has as many critics as fans. G Series 292 type (G Series Pink Knob) - Basically the same as the Black but with a frequency divider on the low mid freq and a multiplier in the high freq which substitute the BELL switch present on all the other ones (this would be my personal fav SSL channel eq)
@@mixbustv It's nice to know I'm not the only one who likes the G series pink knobs as well. A lot of my favorite 90s hip hop records were mixed on an SSL 4KG. I have a thing for that sound. I just love it.
I just copped this, because I own the bundle, haven't been able to really use my waves plug ins yet, but I'm excited. Just getting my arsenal situated.
I hope someone does an SSL channel strip shootout before black friday. :P Was demoing the PluginAlliance SSL4k strips yesterday, and today they drop this!
@@mixbustv Waves update plan though :( - You're right is actually is a nicer plug, and now I'm stuck. Only person on the planet without an SSL channel strip in his VST folder! Haha - Thanks for the videos, David. They're very informative!
Love ur channel- still crunching on what you told me about my hardware mixing methods lol- I think you were right - it’s called the tyranny of numbers lol Dan
if I understand correctly the ssl by ssl is based on a digital unit with the eq curves of the 4k console. So no analog saturation simulation. Also the q values on the eq seems to go less narrow
It's based on a different analog channel, and then - to be completely honest - it's not a given just because it's by SSL, SSL has been making hardware (up until now), Waves has always been making plugins, so..
Hey David is using a Motu M4 here, I am thinking of buying either an audient id14mkii or motu m4 which one would be wise of me to buy? Please tell me, wonderful followers of mixbustv. TIA
I'm a bit confused, you are using an M4 already.. Both are great interfaces anyway, the main difference is you can expand the Audient and you cannot expand the M4, but if you don't care about expanding, get MOTU
@@mixbustv holy shit dude getting a reply from you is not something I expected! Thank you so much! I literally learned so much from you overtime. And yes, what I asked for was- which one should I buy and you gave me the answer, I'll buy motu no matter what. Cheers mixbustv
Amazing review as always man!!! How about aliasing? As there is no oversampling in Waves plugins, this may become an issue. But yes, they have done a great job!!!!
On another video someone used plugin Dr. with the EV2 and used the LF at 100Hz yet in Plugin Dr. the bell was at 70Hz. Do you get the same thing? Also on his i7 Mac 4Ghz he was getting about 15% cpu usage per instance. Do you get much from it? Thank you for the video.
That's how the console is. And no with my computer I never noticed or pay attention to CPU, I can run 100+ of really heavy plugins (I'm talking Weiss DS-1 heavy) and I'm at half CPU usage. I could probably open 1000 of these
I can give you the answer here what the problem is i also had a 4000euro imac pro with i7 quadcore 4 GHZ and 32gb, load 1big synth cpu 10% the problem is that the power has to be distributed via mainbord, 5k monitor, fan, harddisk, windows pc get more power so load more plugins since I have a windows pc I load 100x more because there is enough power coming in and it doesn't have to be distributed! i mac have 1 power cable windows pc 2 and you can choose the power you want at windows, apple device have anorexia inside
@@valachi2598 thanks, good to know. I’m on Windows so just curious of how much CPU it uses. Makes not much sense if it uses a lot as typically you would put many instances of a channel strip on tracks to get that flavour of sound.
well, a good design improvement over the orignal waves series, they were maybe the first going into ssl emulation (apart from oxford which had the three mode eq with ssl emulation on mode 3). The only thing maybe I still missing is the possibility to have a "mix" control on compressor for parallel processing like brainworx stuff, and maybe control over attack....but neither real ssl has these features so it's ok. I like so much also the improved meters, now they feels like real professional meters, way better than old wave ssl channel.
@@mixbustv I would agree with that. Their SSL strip is in my opinion one of the worst ssl strips going. Regardless of the “TMT” personally the UAD is the best end to end version for me. The best Eq I’ve heard is the acustica sand. I love the console one I have an actual SSL strip in my rack and the acustica really holds its own along side it. I used the old SSL E on occasion and it does a good job however I find the CLA mix hub thing sounds like utter phasy trash to me
As per manual: Line controls the input level to the plugin. As gain increases, so will harmonic distortion. Range: -20 dB to +20 dB Everyone with this aliasing, it's not 2008 anymore
@@mixbustv I'll have to do some tests, the way the harmonics were changing as you changed the input looked a bit like aliasing foldback with some phase changes. There's enough false marketing in the plugin world that I don't trust manuals, etc. But I do think its about time waves did a new version of the SSL stuff. Prior to this there are tons of better options than the old waves SSL collection in SSL emulations.
On a total sidenote; I somehow zoomed in on the word 'review'. Technically this is a view. There is no revision: you are not viewing something you have seen before (like a film, sports game or theater show), instead you are viewing something you see for the first time. English isn't the only language with this problem. In my native Dutch we use recensie, lit. from Latin origin recensus. A census is a judgement, but I'm not sure how we are re-judging something that we are viewing / judging for the first time. So it should be a view and a censie. I mean, if all words would work like that, when I enter a building for the first time I would return... Silly word: review.
@@mixbustv Thanks for the reply. What would be the correct knob to do that with on the EV2? I see the “IN” knob on the SSL-G, but I’m seeing that specifically on the EV2. Excuse my ignorance.
@@mixbustv I took it upon myself to compare the user guides from Waves for both plug-ins. Per my understanding of the literature, on the EV2, the “LINE” knob acts the same way as the “IN” knob on the G-Channel as both knobs on the respective units adjust the input gain. Confusion cleared. If my understanding is flawed, please correct me.
To have more distortion you can use mic and line pre at the same time. Sound really good to give life to electric guitars and synths. Kinda decapitator built in. Really cool
Their going after Brainworx, which I really like. I will likely switch to this one because I’m sick of not being able to dial in specific settings on the bx version and the adjustable gain will offset the advantage of bx’s TMT.
It's interesting, in their official video Waves describes the black and brown in an opposite way...they say black is the warm, rounded sound while brown is the gritty, aggresive option.
Thanks for the vid! Would be great to have the SSL Ultraviolet EQ in plugin format. Though SSL are working on premium plugins based on the Fusion and the Ultraviolet EQ is in their sights. I have SSL native plugins and just love working with them. Might just have to head over to waves and pick up this EV2 and check it out.
Thanks David! This update definitely has a sound that I prefer over the old SSL E-Channel plugin but this one sounds a lot closer to Waves most recent SSL console emulation with CLA Mixhub. I'd have to put them head to head myself but I think I still prefer CLA Mixhub. Something about that sucker. I'd also like to put them both up against SSL's most recent Native Channel Strip 2. Thanks again! ✌🏼
If I got up one morning to find that my virtual console strip plug ins had become real, I would have to sit on one of the API's whilst eating off a Neve and sleep on a bed of EQ knobs on top of my SSL bunk.
..great sounding plugin, i wish that some company could make a midi controller mixer who can control any ssl plugin..kinda real ssl console with at least 24 channels...it could be amazing...regards and thank u for your great videos...by the way..whats the name of the song? its amazing...
Thanks Dave you are the best in class of bringing across the essence of anything. Real stalwarts in the engineering and teaching in audio world. Remember Jesus love you bro blessing.
I seen a lot of people say this is really just CLA Mixhub with the SSL logo on it. I actually like CLA Mixhub, but since I have that, I really don't see the need to get this one. Honestly I think their classic SSL channel strip sounds a little bit better. Also... This will get me hated for this one, but I personally think SSL Native sucks. I think people are brainwashing themselves because it's SSL's own plugin. SSL makes great hardware, but their software sucks. My opinion. 🤷♀️
I haven't watched the entire video, literally just clicked play. But Waves... Urgh, wish I had've gone Plugin Alliance or UAD in some cases. Waves business model (sell plugins cheap but only provide updates for 12 months after initial purchase) is so shitty - that $29 plugin will cost you so much more if you need the latest versions that supports newer hardware/architecture.
I mean I see folks running Windows 7 with old versions of plugin that could be considered legacy nowadays. Treat it like any piece of hardware, once it runs then you don't ever need updates unless we're talking serious flaws in coding
Why bother with these SSL clones when SSL themselves makes plugin versions of their hardware? I understand most people don't have $300 to spare but if you really want an SSL plugin I suggest you save up because no clone will come close to their native Bus Compressor or Channel Strip. You'll be getting the true sound from the people who developed the hardware instead of from manufactures who add their own tonal colouration so that it fits with the rest of their product line-up.
I'm sure the SSL plugins will be great, but let me ask you this: Waves has been making plugins for 30 years. SSL has been making hardware for 30 years (or more). Why are you under the impression that an hardware manufacturer is better than a software manufacturer when trying to make software? SSL will have to go thru the same exact process than any other manufacturer to capture the hardware sound and make it into a plugin. So, one company has been doing this for decades, the other just started.
@@mixbustv The point I was making was that when you buy a Waves SSL plugin, you're buying an SSL-style plugin with Waves colouration that was made to fit sonically with the rest of their line up, where as if you bought it from SSL the plugin was made with reference only to the hardware and was not skewed one way or another so that it fits a more diverse brand aesthetically, which is what most manufacturers like Waves do when emulating hardware. When you buy from Waves you're buying a SSL-style plugin with Waves colouration and sound, where as when you buy an SSL plugin you get SSL colouration and sound. SSL is only emulating themselves, so why not go straight to the source?
Waves is not adding their own color. They modeled exactly a SSL channel strip they had in their office. Any color was to sound like the hardware. Now on to SSL Native. It is a direct import of the algorithms from the C200 digital console which was supposed to sound similar in many ways to the SSL XL9000K. Except without console color / saturation. Just because SSL makes it doesn't mean it is automatically better. Matter of fact Harrison is also guilty of this too. Their DAW is nice, but their plugins suck. SSL is the same. They haven't been plugin makers for long and they cut corners. The dedicated plugin makers have more experience recreating and reverse engineering analog gear to make into plugins. Testament to the excellent quality of Waves products is yes they are used in many number one billboard hits by the best engineers in the game. Now I prefer Brainworx plugins personally only because of that AMEK channel strip, and their SSL strips sound really nice too. Especially the 9000 J. Waves doesn't emulate those consoles so Brainworx is the only game in town for what I like. But Waves is not trash. They make excellent plugins. My 2 cents.
Waves is a little late to the party. They sat on the old version for years, whilst everyone else was offering better, updated options. Most people probably have 3, or 4 SSL emulations at this point and don't need another.
Funny because I've been preferring and using "the old one" up until I got C1 in every mix, and it was always better than the "updated versions". Same for some of their "very old" plugins. New, doesn't equal better all the time, but marketing will make people believe anything
really nice mix, not like today modern shit with tons of lows and overpowered snares, just simple rock mix like back in the days of ns 10 era with the convenience of todays technology, great plugin demonstration you're goat
So the first release was not 100% Now they have a second version And still not getting close to the real thing SSL plugin and PluginAlliance all claim is the best emu Long live music
Are there people who still use Waves plugins and get excited when they re-release their previous plugins with a new GUI and make you pay for GUI updates? What a scammers company with outdated plugins.
@@mixbustv yeah the most used 10 years ago when they had the monopoly, but nowadays they are by far the most hated plugins company because of their scam policy.
This plug is not a scam, if you already own the SSL bundle it is free. That being said it is heads and tails better then the original so it is not a re release with a new skin, not at all. This version of the SSL channel is the best out there currently, it is better and more accurate then the BX, and it smokes the over saturated UAD version. This plug is actually better then SSL's own version of the 4000 E. It is subtle but there in the depth and tightness of the sound stage. Waves is still one of the best plug in companies in the biz and you may think that what ever you have is better and that is fine. They were the first to emulate and all other companies have copied them since, they are the only company that offers live sound solutions including networked and DSP solutions. UAD is great and I like much of their stuff but their DSP cards are Dinosaurs now and everybody invested in that system is gonna get it right up the butt in another year or two. If you don't know what FPGA sounds like you will cause all these companies are gonna switch over to it in the near future cause DSP can not compete. Long story short, Waves is no more of a scam then any other Plug in company and they happen to make some fantastic plug ins on par with the best.
@@metalplatedfacejob you wrote all this for nothing honestly and you wasted your time. I will not change my mind, Waves really sucks as a company and their analogue emulations are the worst. And regarding their SSL emulation, it’s know by everybody that BX version and the new SSL Native are way better than Waves. Those who generally say that Waves has the best SSL channelstrip are those who never tried anything else and never tried or listened to a real SSL.
seems like a missed opportunity. Why didn't Waves take the workflow of the CLA Mixhub and implement it in this SSL emulation? That bucket approach was kinda good idea
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This dude is super smart and gives of MEGA Chad energy. Big fan
I love how fast you go through the eqs. Watching you work opened up something new for me. Thank you for the education and great video!
Interesting routing options, I tested it now and yes it makes a difference in the sound. Thanks for the explanation.
Amazing how you show us the difference between black and brown EQ s in the analyzer, much better than other youtubers just talking about it
while you actually show the difference in the analyzer, Amazing!
First time anyone’s explained the routing. I never understood “chan out” or “spit”. Wow I that makes so much sense. Still don’t get the “chan out” on the eq?
Channel out swap the position of the eq pre or post compression
Nice reviews ´So Clean & Simple ´ . Your channel is amazing.
Great David! I have 3 plugins "on the table" at the moment.... SSL Channel Strip 2, Waves SSL Channel (not the ev2), bx_console 4000E... Your video is a year old, so I assume some of it was released later. What do you think of the bx_console SSL 4000 or the newer SSL native channel strip 2?
I'd pick the old one over those, I'd pick Console 1 over everything else
Thank you for the video david👍
Thanks for the demo! I can hear the impact the plugin has on the transients just running through it. Curious if you'd ever try the SSL native content too? One of the benefits of the Waves SSL is that the saturation content happens in line with the plugin. The SSL native has a separate plugin for saturation. I really like the fidelity of the SSL Native most as far as SSL emulation plugins go. The plugin dr visuals were really insightful in showing row impact of even activating the eq circuit. The high mids sound very good in the Waves and the top end seems sweeter. Definitely a tempting tool to get!
The ssl native by ssl is a beast hands down
I like how the gain reduction is right next to the dynamics section. The brainworks is off to the side, not a big deal but smarter.
Does it produce any aliasing? At 44.1 kHz sample rate.
I can answer my own question. No it does not, at least it’s not audible. Thanks for a great channel 😃
@@jimmyfredriksson4798 any aliasing under -100db with normal use is inaudible unless it's a distortion box than you need to oversample the plugin
I usually just use Logic’s test tone generator and sweep the alias free sine wave up to Nyquist. If I don’t hear any shirps (sounds like many sine waves). Then I’m happy.
Link to the plugin is Dead ;)
Fixed
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That plugin Doctor is also pretty sweet!! Great review David.
Isnt the brown knob ssl 4000g and black knob 4000E?
Nope. SSL produced several eq's:
E series
O2 type (Brown Knob) - this is the oldest.
232 type (Orange Knob) - sometimes referred to as Pultec
242 type (Black Knob) - Views on this one are very polarized. At customers request it was often built into new G series consoles however many studios retro-fitted G EQs into their previously Black EQ desks. It has as many critics as fans.
G Series
292 type (G Series Pink Knob) - Basically the same as the Black but with a frequency divider on the low mid freq and a multiplier in the high freq which substitute the BELL switch present on all the other ones (this would be my personal fav SSL channel eq)
@@mixbustv It's nice to know I'm not the only one who likes the G series pink knobs as well. A lot of my favorite 90s hip hop records were mixed on an SSL 4KG. I have a thing for that sound. I just love it.
As always, best reviews, you rock David!
Hi David.. thanks for the review...is this version a significant improvement over the older e channel strip or is it just a little bit better?
I wouldn't say significant
I just copped this, because I own the bundle, haven't been able to really use my waves plug ins yet, but I'm excited. Just getting my arsenal situated.
Hi. U use pro tools on PC. Stability work on windows?
Has been for about 20 years
I love anything SSL style.
Thank you, David!
Another great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, BTW, do you use this SSL plugin like a channel trim, too?
Yes, altho' I'm using Softube 4K for the most part
Is that mic knob a kind of saturator?
Excellent! Thanks for this. Didn't hear about this plugin. I use the old version and love it. And yes, I like using the split button also.
This on modern style vocals?
Absolutely
I hope someone does an SSL channel strip shootout before black friday. :P
Was demoing the PluginAlliance SSL4k strips yesterday, and today they drop this!
You can demo this and yesterday's demo will be forgotten :D
@@mixbustv Waves update plan though :(
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You're right is actually is a nicer plug, and now I'm stuck.
Only person on the planet without an SSL channel strip in his VST folder! Haha - Thanks for the videos, David. They're very informative!
Love ur channel- still crunching on what you told me about my hardware mixing methods lol- I think you were right - it’s called the tyranny of numbers lol
Dan
Wow I have these exact stems lol.. great video man!
Solid explanation 👏🏾👏🏾
Best review, hands down. Mix!
Awesome review and demo my friend! You super duper Rock!!!🔥 🔥 🔥
But, since there's an actual original ssl by ssl... wouldn't that be better?
if I understand correctly the ssl by ssl is based on a digital unit with the eq curves of the 4k console. So no analog saturation simulation. Also the q values on the eq seems to go less narrow
The SSL Channel Strip 2 is based on the 9000J console, I think.
@@WisdomHouseCreative 9000K I think
It's based on a different analog channel, and then - to be completely honest - it's not a given just because it's by SSL, SSL has been making hardware (up until now), Waves has always been making plugins, so..
If ssl do that they will concurrate themselves
Hello. Are the stems available somewhere ? I really like the song.
Regards
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I don't watch anyone else reviewing plugins. If it's on your channel, I'll check it out (and most likely buy it) if not, don't care. GOAT
Hey David is using a Motu M4 here, I am thinking of buying either an audient id14mkii or motu m4 which one would be wise of me to buy?
Please tell me, wonderful followers of mixbustv. TIA
I'm a bit confused, you are using an M4 already.. Both are great interfaces anyway, the main difference is you can expand the Audient and you cannot expand the M4, but if you don't care about expanding, get MOTU
@@mixbustv holy shit dude getting a reply from you is not something I expected! Thank you so much! I literally learned so much from you overtime.
And yes, what I asked for was- which one should I buy and you gave me the answer, I'll buy motu no matter what. Cheers mixbustv
Check out the Fuse Audio VCS-1, its a very competitive alternative!
The VCS-1 is not emulating SSL consoles, it's a pure digital approach. Just the design is similar
Awesome review! The only thing is you didn't showcase the Mic preamp and line input/-20db pad for more distortion and clipping .
Amazing review as always man!!! How about aliasing? As there is no oversampling in Waves plugins, this may become an issue. But yes, they have done a great job!!!!
At last!!!Good review!
On another video someone used plugin Dr. with the EV2 and used the LF at 100Hz yet in Plugin Dr. the bell was at 70Hz. Do you get the same thing? Also on his i7 Mac 4Ghz he was getting about 15% cpu usage per instance. Do you get much from it? Thank you for the video.
That's how the console is. And no with my computer I never noticed or pay attention to CPU, I can run 100+ of really heavy plugins (I'm talking Weiss DS-1 heavy) and I'm at half CPU usage. I could probably open 1000 of these
I can give you the answer here what the problem is
i also had a 4000euro imac pro with i7 quadcore 4 GHZ and 32gb, load 1big synth cpu 10% the problem is that the power has to be distributed via mainbord, 5k monitor, fan, harddisk, windows pc get more power so load more plugins
since I have a windows pc I load 100x more because there is enough power coming in and it doesn't have to be distributed!
i mac have 1 power cable windows pc 2 and you can choose the power you want at windows, apple device have anorexia inside
@@valachi2598 thanks, good to know. I’m on Windows so just curious of how much CPU it uses. Makes not much sense if it uses a lot as typically you would put many instances of a channel strip on tracks to get that flavour of sound.
Of course you would be FAST on this. Thank you! I bought it as well. Great channel.
I had it for a while :D
well, a good design improvement over the orignal waves series, they were maybe the first going into ssl emulation (apart from oxford which had the three mode eq with ssl emulation on mode 3).
The only thing maybe I still missing is the possibility to have a "mix" control on compressor for parallel processing like brainworx stuff, and maybe control over attack....but neither real ssl has these features so it's ok.
I like so much also the improved meters, now they feels like real professional meters, way better than old wave ssl channel.
I think the plugin alliance sound more better + the TMT ,what do you think???
PA, doesn't oversample their SSL, isn't??
@@MrKalimag neither does waves also, some of the TMT channel strips on PA like the lindell 50 and 80 have up to 16x oversampling
No it doesn't. I personally think they only have like 5 plugins worth it in general but their strip is pretty low even in their list
@@mixbustv I would agree with that. Their SSL strip is in my opinion one of the worst ssl strips going. Regardless of the “TMT” personally the UAD is the best end to end version for me. The best Eq I’ve heard is the acustica sand. I love the console one I have an actual SSL strip in my rack and the acustica really holds its own along side it. I used the old SSL E on occasion and it does a good job however I find the CLA mix hub thing sounds like utter phasy trash to me
Thanks David!
In terms of SSL plug-ins I’ve been in love with CLA mixhub for the last two years. Which of the two do you prefer and why?
I've never tried mixhub
Hmmm.... the harmonics on the input are based on level? or was that just an increase in aliasing as the level changed?
As per manual: Line controls the input level to the plugin. As gain increases, so will harmonic
distortion.
Range: -20 dB to +20 dB
Everyone with this aliasing, it's not 2008 anymore
@@mixbustv I'll have to do some tests, the way the harmonics were changing as you changed the input looked a bit like aliasing foldback with some phase changes. There's enough false marketing in the plugin world that I don't trust manuals, etc. But I do think its about time waves did a new version of the SSL stuff. Prior to this there are tons of better options than the old waves SSL collection in SSL emulations.
can you use these plugins with Final Cut Pro??
which headphones are you using?
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Which is better ssl EV2 or BBN105 Neve?
Never tried the Neve
Du you think it’s „better“ than the new SSL native Channel Strip2? I would love to see a comparison 🎧
The channelstrip2 is 9000K. Different console model.
you're a wizard
On a total sidenote; I somehow zoomed in on the word 'review'. Technically this is a view. There is no revision: you are not viewing something you have seen before (like a film, sports game or theater show), instead you are viewing something you see for the first time. English isn't the only language with this problem. In my native Dutch we use recensie, lit. from Latin origin recensus. A census is a judgement, but I'm not sure how we are re-judging something that we are viewing / judging for the first time. So it should be a view and a censie. I mean, if all words would work like that, when I enter a building for the first time I would return... Silly word: review.
Why have I not heard of plugin doctor... that seems like a very, very fuckin' useful tool.
Random question, but I notice you always gain stage tracks with the SSL-G channel. Can the same thing be done with the SSL EV2?
Yes it can (I now use Console 1)
@@mixbustv Thanks for the reply. What would be the correct knob to do that with on the EV2? I see the “IN” knob on the SSL-G, but I’m seeing that specifically on the EV2. Excuse my ignorance.
@@mixbustv I took it upon myself to compare the user guides from Waves for both plug-ins. Per my understanding of the literature, on the EV2, the “LINE” knob acts the same way as the “IN” knob on the G-Channel as both knobs on the respective units adjust the input gain. Confusion cleared. If my understanding is flawed, please correct me.
Hey, nice review, please do a review of the new VSC-1 console by Fuse Audio, this plugin is very interesting, I think you will like it.
Please do a test with ssl native channel 2
It is a great review, i have two questions: 1- it worth to buy? 2 - Is it better than Brainworx version?
To have more distortion you can use mic and line pre at the same time. Sound really good to give life to electric guitars and synths. Kinda decapitator built in. Really cool
Their going after Brainworx, which I really like. I will likely switch to this one because I’m sick of not being able to dial in specific settings on the bx version and the adjustable gain will offset the advantage of bx’s TMT.
assuming the TMT is and advantage lol
@@mixbustv haha yes, any advantage would be marginal for sure!
It's interesting, in their official video Waves describes the black and brown in an opposite way...they say black is the warm, rounded sound while brown is the gritty, aggresive option.
David, did you mix that in your headphones? What's the model? Great video btw, very informative!
Yes I did, Senns HD600
it kill my cpu big tiime. did i do something wrong?
I wouldn't know, with my computer I never notice anything
Bro I love your Reviews, but do we really need another SSL channel plug-in?
I don't know, you decide
is it dsp heavy as the CLA one?
nope
for me yes. completely put my computer on his knees
Thanks for the vid! Would be great to have the SSL Ultraviolet EQ in plugin format. Though SSL are working on premium plugins based on the Fusion and the Ultraviolet EQ is in their sights. I have SSL native plugins and just love working with them. Might just have to head over to waves and pick up this EV2 and check it out.
The whole point of the SSL eq is the circuit, having it in plugin form, eh.. not sure it's gonna work
Its the same exact thing as cla mixhub with more input saturation
Great demo! This plugin does take up more CPU than the other plugin. Definitely a better plugin though. 👌
Damn best review I’ve watched in months thank you 👌🏿
Dude, I wish I could mix this fast. And this well. LOL
Thanks David! This update definitely has a sound that I prefer over the old SSL E-Channel plugin but this one sounds a lot closer to Waves most recent SSL console emulation with CLA Mixhub. I'd have to put them head to head myself but I think I still prefer CLA Mixhub. Something about that sucker. I'd also like to put them both up against SSL's most recent Native Channel Strip 2. Thanks again! ✌🏼
If I got up one morning to find that my virtual console strip plug ins had become real, I would have to sit on one of the API's whilst eating off a Neve and sleep on a bed of EQ knobs on top of my SSL bunk.
Lol you goose
Yeah! I already own 754 channel strip plugins. One more can't hurt. 😉
Nice! I wonder if they'll overhaul the G series, too. :D
..great sounding plugin, i wish that some company could make a midi controller mixer who can control any ssl plugin..kinda real ssl console with at least 24 channels...it could be amazing...regards and thank u for your great videos...by the way..whats the name of the song? its amazing...
Hi, great demo, however it would be nice if you timestamp videos so we can jump back and forth
I am happy with the sound of it but CPU usage is absurd on this one :) And I have already gotten used to not caring for CPU resources :P
Thanks Dave you are the best in class of bringing across the essence of anything. Real stalwarts in the engineering and teaching in audio world.
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I seen a lot of people say this is really just CLA Mixhub with the SSL logo on it. I actually like CLA Mixhub, but since I have that, I really don't see the need to get this one. Honestly I think their classic SSL channel strip sounds a little bit better. Also... This will get me hated for this one, but I personally think SSL Native sucks. I think people are brainwashing themselves because it's SSL's own plugin. SSL makes great hardware, but their software sucks. My opinion. 🤷♀️
I haven't watched the entire video, literally just clicked play. But Waves... Urgh, wish I had've gone Plugin Alliance or UAD in some cases. Waves business model (sell plugins cheap but only provide updates for 12 months after initial purchase) is so shitty - that $29 plugin will cost you so much more if you need the latest versions that supports newer hardware/architecture.
Exactly
I mean I see folks running Windows 7 with old versions of plugin that could be considered legacy nowadays. Treat it like any piece of hardware, once it runs then you don't ever need updates unless we're talking serious flaws in coding
Why bother with these SSL clones when SSL themselves makes plugin versions of their hardware? I understand most people don't have $300 to spare but if you really want an SSL plugin I suggest you save up because no clone will come close to their native Bus Compressor or Channel Strip. You'll be getting the true sound from the people who developed the hardware instead of from manufactures who add their own tonal colouration so that it fits with the rest of their product line-up.
I'm sure the SSL plugins will be great, but let me ask you this: Waves has been making plugins for 30 years. SSL has been making hardware for 30 years (or more). Why are you under the impression that an hardware manufacturer is better than a software manufacturer when trying to make software? SSL will have to go thru the same exact process than any other manufacturer to capture the hardware sound and make it into a plugin. So, one company has been doing this for decades, the other just started.
@@mixbustv The point I was making was that when you buy a Waves SSL plugin, you're buying an SSL-style plugin with Waves colouration that was made to fit sonically with the rest of their line up, where as if you bought it from SSL the plugin was made with reference only to the hardware and was not skewed one way or another so that it fits a more diverse brand aesthetically, which is what most manufacturers like Waves do when emulating hardware. When you buy from Waves you're buying a SSL-style plugin with Waves colouration and sound, where as when you buy an SSL plugin you get SSL colouration and sound. SSL is only emulating themselves, so why not go straight to the source?
Waves is not adding their own color. They modeled exactly a SSL channel strip they had in their office. Any color was to sound like the hardware. Now on to SSL Native. It is a direct import of the algorithms from the C200 digital console which was supposed to sound similar in many ways to the SSL XL9000K. Except without console color / saturation. Just because SSL makes it doesn't mean it is automatically better. Matter of fact Harrison is also guilty of this too. Their DAW is nice, but their plugins suck. SSL is the same. They haven't been plugin makers for long and they cut corners. The dedicated plugin makers have more experience recreating and reverse engineering analog gear to make into plugins. Testament to the excellent quality of Waves products is yes they are used in many number one billboard hits by the best engineers in the game. Now I prefer Brainworx plugins personally only because of that AMEK channel strip, and their SSL strips sound really nice too. Especially the 9000 J. Waves doesn't emulate those consoles so Brainworx is the only game in town for what I like. But Waves is not trash. They make excellent plugins. My 2 cents.
got it immediately, since it's approved by SSL themselves. great real life review!!! Cheers
Shame they didn’t design the layout to fit the SSL UC1!
Missed opportunity IMO
you got big forearms bro
Whoa there guy
Waves is a little late to the party. They sat on the old version for years, whilst everyone else was offering better, updated options. Most people probably have 3, or 4 SSL emulations at this point and don't need another.
Funny because I've been preferring and using "the old one" up until I got C1 in every mix, and it was always better than the "updated versions". Same for some of their "very old" plugins. New, doesn't equal better all the time, but marketing will make people believe anything
really nice mix, not like today modern shit with tons of lows and overpowered snares, just simple rock mix like back in the days of ns 10 era with the convenience of todays technology, great plugin demonstration you're goat
So the first release was not 100%
Now they have a second version
And still not getting close to the real thing
SSL plugin and PluginAlliance all claim is the best emu
Long live music
Too bad 80% of the billboard records have the old ones in them and no records have the new ones you mentioned but ok
No no no. No more snake oil channel strips.
Please keep the "snake oil" comment for the snake oil channel
Review with no conclusion, final thoughts?? Thanks David for the effort tho.
Yes! I wouldn't want to see anyone else review this, also Bella's track is so 🔥🔥
Not another SSL pseudo analog wannabe.
Not another expert in the comments wannabe.
Are there people who still use Waves plugins and get excited when they re-release their previous plugins with a new GUI and make you pay for GUI updates?
What a scammers company with outdated plugins.
You mean the most used by basically averyone?
@@mixbustv yeah the most used 10 years ago when they had the monopoly, but nowadays they are by far the most hated plugins company because of their scam policy.
This plug is not a scam, if you already own the SSL bundle it is free. That being said it is heads and tails better then the original so it is not a re release with a new skin, not at all. This version of the SSL channel is the best out there currently, it is better and more accurate then the BX, and it smokes the over saturated UAD version. This plug is actually better then SSL's own version of the 4000 E. It is subtle but there in the depth and tightness of the sound stage. Waves is still one of the best plug in companies in the biz and you may think that what ever you have is better and that is fine. They were the first to emulate and all other companies have copied them since, they are the only company that offers live sound solutions including networked and DSP solutions. UAD is great and I like much of their stuff but their DSP cards are Dinosaurs now and everybody invested in that system is gonna get it right up the butt in another year or two. If you don't know what FPGA sounds like you will cause all these companies are gonna switch over to it in the near future cause DSP can not compete. Long story short, Waves is no more of a scam then any other Plug in company and they happen to make some fantastic plug ins on par with the best.
@@metalplatedfacejob you wrote all this for nothing honestly and you wasted your time. I will not change my mind, Waves really sucks as a company and their analogue emulations are the worst. And regarding their SSL emulation, it’s know by everybody that BX version and the new SSL Native are way better than Waves. Those who generally say that Waves has the best SSL channelstrip are those who never tried anything else and never tried or listened to a real SSL.
I swear I won't come back to this channel if I keep see the same old dude talking about mastering. I sick if him.
We have no control over what RUclips places as ads, jsyk. The guy who places ads does tho, he targets my and other channels alike
@@mixbustv I'm sick of him but I love you content.
EV2 is great, but is a CPU hog.
soooo coool
too bad its waves
This dude looks ridiculous.
Oh don't be bitter because you asked me out and I said no, come on, you will find your soulmate someday, you're a funny guy Morgan no face Freeman
@@mixbustv LMAO touche my man.
seems like a missed opportunity. Why didn't Waves take the workflow of the CLA Mixhub and implement it in this SSL emulation? That bucket approach was kinda good idea