From 3:57 to 4:12, he explains the high sensitivity ,noise reduction, sharpening and over processing of images, not only verbally but also by changes in the video to help the viewer understand it visually as well! That's brilliant! 😁
I've come to deeply appreciate how you explain these topics. I do I.T. and I find myself overexplaining pretty often and accidentally confusing people by trying to be too clear. You have mastered the art of teaching without overwhelming the listener. Thanks for everything you do!
Very true. Definitely a good skill if you need to engage with non-technical audiences professionally. Getting the idea across cleanly and without seeming patronizing.
When we all rely on camera processing, there's no reliable way to measure and judge "better" anymore, but this is a leading issue in a lot of neural network and AI tech. Developers can always guide it, but who decides what and how decisions are made when a chunk of those decisions aren't and can't be made by humans (devs or users)? We're living in strange times.
I would guess at least some companies run tests similar to what MKBHD did to figure out what style people like most. Other companies might just rely on for example some photography professionals opinion. Some might do both.
This has nothing to do with AI lol. There was never a way in the first place to judge what arbitrary configuration is the best. Marques prefer the look on the iPhone, maybe someone in Asia will prefer the look of the Xiomi. None of these strategies is "better" than the other.
Yep! A great explanation for why I have to manually adjust every iPhone photo I take in order for the image to come out as I would like. Generally I find the phone prefers over exposure to light everything in frame, and in the process loses so much mood and subtlety. Almost every shot I take requires a tap on the brightest part of the screen and then further decreased exposure by a step or two from there. Said in another way, the photos are not just photons and camera processing, but also user processing. Not to mention any post-processing (which I personally avoid).
His explication is soothing and at the same time very informative not every body can do that. Sometimes I try to explain it like he does but never get it across like he does. It's his natural niche.
This is prime journalism. This amount of attention to details, story telling is really world class. Thanks Marques for showing the meaning of being a master of your craft.
@@dragonsaige lol sometimes i say to myself why am i not a ytuber, literally you can find your own flock of sheeple (no off3nc3 to any1) and make money out of them, all you gotta do is tell them what they want to hear, even not, you will eventually find another flock that will like what they are hearing.... I am not talking about this guy specifically (actually puts some work in the video, watched him and others to decide which phone to take as an upgrade) but in general.
"Partly Photons, but Primarily Processing" is the most eloquent way of explaining modern smartphone cameras that I've ever heard. Great video, Marques.
I liked the quadruple P's, but coulda have been a quintuple with just the standard Peace straight after. "Partly Photons, Primarily Processing...Peace".
but when it s primarily photons and partly processing (or not proc), phones camera get shot down ( xperia line) by almost everyone...so.....processing is the trend.
@@vaudou74 I get what you're trying to get at, but nope! Old Pixels and Sony Xperia 1 mk 2, 3 and 4 takes the best most naturalistic true to life photos hands down. Because both the new Pixels, Samsungs and iPhones have an over sharpening, an over saturation, an over exposure and an over processing in general issue! And not a small one.. And regarding the iPhones in particular.. They always had this strange off putting green/yellow tint/tone as far as I can tell. Maybe not so much on the first three or four models, but from then on for sure, as far as I can remember. It has become better. I.e. less of an issue with every new model. But it's still there. Oh, and you forgot to mention that btw! In fact.. correct me if I'm wrong here.. But I don't think that MKBHD ever mentioned it. And pretty much no other tech reviewer either. Anyhow.. that green/yellow tone/tint is horrendous! And the damn phone seems to add it to every picture by default.. yyiiiikes! Makes all people look like they are being seriously ill/sea sick, lol! And let's not even start venturing into the "beauty-mode-by-default-smoothing-China phones".. 🥴😖😫😫
Very interesting insight! Recently switched from 11 Pro to 14 Pro, and feel like the difference is fairly insignificant (for the purposes for which I use the camera), leading to the question "what is happening with iPhone camera?"
Activate the pro mode. With that enabled the pictures suddenly are insane. The level of detail is unmatched with any smartphone. Also the processing is much different. Especialle with brightness set to -0.3 pictures look superb.
This is a Brilliant video. Not only did you break down this complex topic so well, however created & edited the special effects to show people want you are talking about deserves an award
Yes they sell so much because it is a status symbol. Even though, like his tests prove, people don't prefer the camera. For stills at least. If other phones like pixel could catch up in the video department things could change.
@@en_vy we need good competition because as of now we are losing fast! Look at flagship phone prices now versus a few years ago it’s turning into the Nvidia gpu prices situation but getting worse
A lot of my friends with newer iPhones often ask me "what phone have you got?!" because my photos are so clear and vibrant. I have an iPhone 11 and I think it takes much better photos than my friends 12s and 13s. After watching this video I think I'm just going to upgrade to an 11 pro.
I used to love my iPhone XR and changed to a 12pro and the camera was worse. Then changed to 14pro and even worse. Now I’m thinking about to downgrade to 11.
I think when you initially purchase a phone, it should have a survey option when setting up the camera app to allow you to pick from photos you prefer over others. Therefore the software can personalize to the user's liking.
This is such a smart idea, a sort of small test , maybe show a variety of photos of different subjects and have you pick through and then calibrate the camera according to your selections.
Agreed. Like that's a billion dollar idea right there. Similar to Apple's Photo Styles (or whatever you call it) where you can actually adjust the processing of the photo, but more user-simplified, powerful, and in-depth.
I think you’re correct with this. I personally wish we could get more of the “preview” pic vs what the post processing pics look like. Take a sunset pic for example, they look different on the preview vs what actually saves to the camera roll (iPhone 14 pro max). This works well on some pics but I’d prefer the most natural / real looking pic myself.
I’m not happy with the focusing distance of the 14 Pro. I had a much easier less frustrating photo taking experience with the 11 Pro I upgraded from. Not to mention the 14 Pro screen I’ve had for 2.5 months has way more scratches on it than the 11 Pro that I had for 3 years… it’s taken several steps back this generation
well, at least you paid the non-inflated price for this one. I, as a European, upgraded from my 11 Pro Max to a Pixel 7 Pro, partly because of increased prices (1449€/$ for the base 14 Pro Max). I don't know how I would feel if I actually spent that kind of money on a worse experience ^_^'
Scratches💀…bro that’s a you problem get a damn screen protector and this is with any phone or even any device and just be careful and there should be no scratches 😂🤣everything else you said was fine but the scratches is a human error
This video explains a lot. When I moved from the iPhone 8 Plus to the 12 Pro, I was convinced the 8 Plus took better photos. Now I know why - because they were processed a lot less. Apple really needs to up its camera game. What looks good in a lab will be very different in real-world photography scenarios. Why compute at all - we should have full control over editing or leaving the pic in its original form.
Same for me from iPhone XR to iPhone 14 Plus. The camera is trash u less outside in bright light. Trying to take a photo of an item with words on it u have to pull camera back 8-10 inches to get it to focus and then sometimes have to zoom in also
The photos per se aren’t worse, but the processing. If you use an app that don’t do processing at all in both phones you would see the 12 pro is better - more detail, sharpenes, light etc.
I like your channel because you dont just "review" and "compare" but also give analysis data, and reasons, even researching physics and engineering behind it.
Cheers for including a clip from our blind camera comparison! I personally agree about the iPhone not necessarily improving lately for photos. I was just chatting with a friend who says he now shoots video and pulls frame grabs from that for his photos because of how much better it looks, overall. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve thought for a while that my iPhone’s video quality looks better than the photo quality, and could never figure out why. Nice to see someone find this to be true as well.
I saw someone doing a Camera A B Test between the 14 Pro and an iPhone 7 and the 7 genuinely won at least for video, because the 14 Pro is just oversharpened and the 7 was pleasantly soft with enough detail, which is just what you want in a video camera
Is Apple likely to improve this with future versions of iOS? Could the iPhone 13 with iOS 17 improve upon this (having more accurate light representation instead of lighting up the entire face of a person) since its just a software thing or would I need to get a new phone?
im so glad this is being addressed. nearly every photo i take i look at, and I see the software processing it a couple seconds after and it makes the image look worse in my opinion.
OMG, I'm glad someone finally brought this to light. I've had iPhone 13 Pro for more than a year. I upgraded from iPhone XS. At first, I was excited about the camera performance, especially in low light. However, then I started noticing the heavy processing mentioned in the video and unnatural subject overexposing. Also, any photos with high contrast scene look like a very bad HDR overprocessing. As a result, despite having a phone with incredibly capable camera sensor and lens (we would've only dreamed of this 5 years ago), many of my photos just look like overprocessed rubbish. It feels absolutely crazy to me that there's not way to turn these "smart" background processes. Now I would much prefer my photos the way they come straight out of camera just on my old iPhone XS. I don't think this is this really what Apple wanted to achieve with this? Well, perhaps the issue will get elevated since it's getting more attention. Thanks for bringing this to light Marques!
Same here with iPhone 14 Pro. The AI image processing is doing worst than ever with this new module even when RAW Is Turned on. Image sharpening is way off, HDR is too agressive and low Light photos are noisy with no texture. Ultra wide camera is much worst than main
You are right! They look so overprocess. I have a Sony mirroles camera as well and the difference is night and day betwen them. They need to solve this problem, no one want’s a photo that process, it dosn’t look real. If you have rare hair, the HDR is so agressive that you see trew the hair like crazy.
I completely agree. Sometimes I refer to even taking a picture in certain scenarios where I know it’ll just be over edited rubbish. I have the 14 pro max and I haven’t had any good pictures since the X. I really wish you could turn it off.
This reminds me of someone in a podcast saying that it's increasingly hard to distinguish between good and bad TV series, since when everything looks so good these days you are fooled into thinking the story, acting, everything is good, and you don't understand why you are left with a feeling of emptiness inside after watching it. The same feeling is increasingly true with watching photography, as images with bad composition, uninteresting subject matter, etc, still look technically perfect and professionally exposed. Technical tools aimed to help laypeople get better result end up creating this eerie unnaturally "perfected" version of reality, largely devoid of anything interesting.
@@robertmusil1107 I would like to add a similar title, Project I.G.I. I mean the graphics are not even close to newer FPS games but, man, the storyline is so well put together that the game feels like a "real" mission and not some senseless dogfight. Some other titles could include Stronghold: Crusader, Age of Empires II and such games.
A little grain, and dirtiness really help ground the photo in reality, maybe it’s why polaroids are so popular as it often encapsulates your experience with that moment.
The interesting part in the blind test for me was how important accurate representation of dark skin tone is. I spent a lot of time between images asking "Which one is more accurately representing the tone of Marques' skin?" because some were absolute trash, and that was the easiest thing for me to differentiate in pictures.
@@LJdaentertainer bro this is how I talk. I took it really personally when I played around with ChatGPT and it's writing read exactly like every essay I've ever written.
This might be my favorite video of yours and I’ve been watching since the OG days. As a professional photographer, I’ve always had trouble explaining to others that the phone camera test doesn’t mean much to me because of several different factors. There is just so much that goes into what I personally look for in a photo that an average person doesn’t understand because they’re simply looking at the final processed photo and that’s it. Thanks for making a video I can share with orhers!!
This leads to a very interesting debate on what's "good" and what's "liked", and why what's "good" is considered so and why the qualities you judge things on (and perhaps most experts judge things on) have to be different from what the common mass judges things on.
@@Xenaman 😂😂😂 People like you are everything that is wrong with this world. I recently discovered his channel and as a fellow creator I find his work extremely impressive and inspirational. I know I appreciate kudos, so why not extend them to him on a job well done? Get out of here with your meaningless negativity.
Man, the live changes to the image while explaining the overprocessing was yet another impressive feat of this video, I hope the editor is making as much money as he/she should. Said it once, will keep saying it, this is the best tech channel. I just love this channel!
That's not even impressive. The hell?? You literally just insert photos on editing software and add text to. Why impressed with that? Literally every video does picture insertions
Exactly this happened with my friend. He had iphone 14 pro max on a trip but did not like overprocessed photos at all. He was more pleased with my 2016 $250 pocket camera as it gave very realistic image with details and some real depth effects.
I really want to focus on what Marques is talking about but just simply amazed at how the editing team of this channel is mind blowing. The quality of production, the simplicity yet when you think deeply, you realized that it was really complex. Now I know the reason why MKBHD don’t upload as often as any other channel does because one MKBHD video is produced meticulously. Simply mind blown! 🤯
Love the real time visual representation through animation and editing, makes it so easy to understand what you're talking about. Like when you say over-sharpened, it's not as jarring as seeing it happen then you're like ok that's bad. Great work man, keep it up!
Ive seen hundreds of smartphone camera videos and for some reason this one just really helped me understand everything that goes behind the software and what a picture actually is. So thank you very much!
This explains a lot. Just recently I was using a Pixel 4a, while my daughter has a 13 Pro. We both love taking photos, usually with a lot of people in the shot and everyone, *everyone* including me kept getting blown away how the 4a's photos could perform toe to toe in terms of image quality, sometimes even better and all of the time when it comes to low light shots. A few weeks ago I made the move to a 14 (regular). Although the camera experience is better (and the ultra wide is awesome).. I cant help but compare its photos back to my 4a and prefer those.
I think something is wrong with my Pixel 4a because it takes some of the worst photos I've ever seen on a smartphone from the past 5 years. Compared to my family who also own a 4a or other Pixel model
So, I’m an audio engineer as well as an artist, & I can say that the same saturation of processing is happening in the audio world just as much as the visual. Over processed vocals or photos are never good 🎈
@@MennoNehernot autotune in a lot of circumstances. you can usually tell if the autotune is supposed to be intentional. if you’re left guessing whether they want you to hear it or not, that’s a bad autotune job
Thank you man for making this video. It helps me confirm I'm not seeing things lol. I have both an iPhone 14 pro and Pixel 6A. I find myself reaching for my 6A for photo taking most every time. Especially low light. The 14 pro does major over processing in 48mp mode with low light situations. It's terrible. I have to turn off, so to speak, the 48mp res for low light. The 6A just works, love it.
I've always 'watched' MKBHD videos, but recently I started really 'enjoying' them because of all the little details that raise the bar in production quality. Best tech channel ever.
The level of editing in MKBHD’s videos gets better and better every time. The first 60sec, while may not seem like much, was perfect introduction to how photos are processed and illustrated beautifully.
I’m so glad you spoke to this. I just upgraded from the XS to the iphone 14 max pro last month, and was driving me crazy how much it auto enhances the photos. Still a great camera system but I like keeping photos as natural as possible.
@@nikthesinger RAW is terrible for the average user, it has basically no processing and huge file size, it is meant for photographers that edit the photos later through software like photoshop and lightroom. A much better option is to get a more feature-rich camera app like Halide and tweak it to your liking. It will still produce relative small file sizes and process them to your liking. Apps like that can react much quicker than apple purely because they can release updates every few days, thus they tweak based on feedback at a rapid pace.
Then you need to buy a real camera, not a sh&thole with a tiny diaphragm. The quality of the image depends on the amount of light absorbed. which is proportional to the lens diameter.
The blind test was great, kudos MKBHD. I have both the Pixel 7 Pro and the 14 Pro Max and use both on a daily. Yeeeaaaahh, while the 14 Pro Max has it's strengths, if you wanted to just take a photo, dang the 7 Pro is something else. Like iPhone isn't bad whatsoever, it just needs tuning.
You are doing well @HelloHorizon having the world's best photography phone for your photos and the world's best video phone for your videos. Happy days for you bro. 👍
I love the way you talk 😂 its so real doesn't sound forced or over rehearsed or like your reading a script. Sounds so good. I'm a public speaker and I have to say keep up the good work bro
I'm glad you mentioned this as I've noticed something is definitely up with the 14 Pro camera. Over the last few weeks, I've had a couple times where I take a picture of something indoors and the quality is just...not up to par like it usually would be. Then I grab my Pixel 7 Pro and it captures exactly what I was hoping to get with the 14 Pro. I usually keep the iPhone on me as a reliable way to get a great pic and excellent video at any time, but now I can't really trust it with pics. It'll be P7P for pics and 14 Pro for videos only.
This is incredible, Marques. Your way of explaining stuff would have me sit down and listen about anything. You could explain why water is wet and I would sit there listening quietly for hours.
@@lateral1385 then why did you acknowledge my comment? This proofs that my comment has grabbed your attention which is why you read and replied to it. 🤣🤣
"Pictures from your phone are partly photons, but primarily processing" Great work Marques. You went an extra mile on this video, and we appreciate it.
This vid was insanely good and interesting. I love videos where it doesn't feel like there is a script, rather just an interesting conversation. Marques really knows how to explain his thoughts well!
Perhaps in the next blind camera test, include a "control" picture taken with a proper camera (like DSLR) that's meant to be the "accurate" representation of the scene in the picture. That way we can compare the pictures with how they should look like. Or it can be treated just like another regular picture, and from the result we can see if we tend to like certain looks more than the reality itself.
yes!!! this should be done to compare. If not we would be comparing opinions. My blue is not the same as your blue. (remember the gold-white vs. blue-black dress)
What if I tell you every DSLR also takes a lot of subjective decisions to create the jpg you are looking at on a screen? On the topic of photo vs reality va objectivity there is a whole library of philosophical books written. It’s all not so easy (but very interesting).
I held off on watching this video because I didn't think I cared but this might now be my favorite MKBHD video. I use both an iphone 13 pro and a pixel 6 daily and its crazy how well your deep dive into this summed up my feelings. Every picture I take of my family, I always use the pixel because unanimously we think it looks the best(Real Tone doing its thing). but in pretty much any other scenario I usually grab the iphone for things like speed to open the app, microphone and video quality. Absolutely amazing content
I feel like I haven't taken a single photo of myself that i like with my Samsung s20 ultra since I've had it. this video really explains a lot of the reason why. I always feel like it's trying to give me what it thinks I want, instead of taking a picture of what it sees. especially in low light selfie mode. I take photos to remember moments and I want them to look like how they looked in real life, not overprocessed with altered colours!
I have the note20 ultra and I completely agree!! I'm finally upgrading to the s23 ultra this year and I'm hoping they fix all the trees issues I have with the camera
@Easton Cornelius I really hope so too! I'm considering that phone for when i upgrade, these camera issues have been a huge reason why i havent upgraded already. I miss my note 8, I loved that phone and the camera so much. sad to hear the note 20 had issues too, damn!
same with my s22, the software turned every photo into an ugly overcolored & oversharpened mess. what helped the camera immensely was simply abandoning the stock app and install gcam, there are so many parameters that you can change! after some fine tuning the photos started to look really nice and natural. get gcam and the configs for your phone model you will be amazed.
@@Schnoizl Another option to help (specifically with oversharpening) is the Camera Assistant setting that you can access now. It was a labs/galaxy store add on in One UI 5 but now it's built in for 5.1 and you can remove the sharpening processing by setting "Picture Softening" to Medium or High. Compare some images of foliage especially and you will see a world of difference and far more natural looking images!
@@emmapaplinski3151 I notice hardly anyone talks about the S20 Series... Especially the Ultra. Everyone either has/had a base S20, or S20 FE.. The Scene Optimizer is also something you could turn off and the colors then become more natural.. I would also play around with the camera settings a bit as well to get a natural looking image. Samsung is known to give SO MANY features and I think it's best to utilize them while they're there. Pro Mode is also another thing I recommend since you can adjust the colors before even taking the shot. As you might know, there's Expert Raw now so you can take a photo through that and edit it in Adobe Lightroom..
Man, seriously. Never stop making videos. Hadn't watched a video of yours for nearly a year. But I opened this one up and it feels like 2011 again. Hats off Marques🤲🏿
@@russellgoldman7431 he's always been excellent. He always delves deeper into the subject or product instead of just saying " woah" " wow" etc and just spouting out buzzwords and specs already listed.
I know I really regret ditching my iPhone 11 Pro for the 13 Pro. I take lots of pictures of my work, which tend to be very small machine components. The camera on the 11 worked really well for this. I could get super clear photos that were extremely detailed. The 13 looks just as you said- over processed. I like the 3D scanner on the 13, but it’s not worth the camera downgrade.
Thank you for validating what I have been feeling man. I went from the 13 Pro to the 14 Pro and have found that the regular pictures on the 14 Pro have a ‘blandness’ to them in comparison to the 13 Pro. I have been resorting to either Portrait mode to just recording videos to get those desired results. I’m hoping Apple keeps tweaking the software to get the 14 Pro back on track - in my humble opinion
Love the way you take a deep dive into a topic and notice even the smallest details and then manage to explain them so good.. Keep up the good work, love the channel✌️🙏
How much time does it take you (all) to do the research and create a video like this? Your reviews are by far the best on youtube, hands down. Really well done and thank you for doing this.
I'm really glad you made this video because for the past few years, I've been feeling like iPhones have been doing more software processing on photos than they had before (and in a poor way). I've had the iPhone 6, 10R, 11, & 13 and my favorite camera was actually on the iPhone 6. I haven't had the 13 long enough to notice it, but, on the 10R and 11, I had moments where I'd take a photo that appeared to be a really nice photo. But then, I look at what happens after the photo is processed and it messes with the lighting in different areas (specifically faces - like you mentioned) when in actuality, I wanted the lighting conditions I was shown prior to snapping the photo. It honestly bugs me quite a bit, because the correction the iPhone tries to take on lighting different areas of the photo can (and have) easily ruined the photo and what I was trying to accomplish. Here's to hoping it just gets better 🤷♂
I noticed this problem already with the 13pro. I upgraded in 2021 to the 13pro from 6s and man did it looks insanely over processed. I actually preferred the overall look from my ancient 6s despite the noise and other issues with it. Shame they're still getting it wrong, these are not cheap phones.
I was looking all through the comments why no one's noticed or saying anything about the intro. It took me by surprise, obviously new year new intro but its soooo good. Just perfect with the sound.
9:15 This video is gold. I experienced this on vacation just this week where the iPhone 14 Pro did over sharpening and lighting of the faces to the point where it seemed weird and I ended up just taking pictures from my old OnePlus 7 Pro.
Incredibly in depth look at the camera + software relationship! Thanks Marques. I've been using the iPhone 14 Pro a lot for photos since September and I just couldn't figure out why the photos lacked lustre... unlike the video which actually performs much better in my experience than the 12 pro and 13 pro.
Marques...I've been watching you for a long time man, longer than I guarantee you could really guess. I have to say that this is absolutely your best video. The topic of the video is important, and both Apple and Google should listen very carefully to what you're saying. BUT, aside from that...the story of this video was absolutely perfect. The style in which you decided to convey this particular message was perfect. This is your shining example of everything you've learned being on this platform coming to a head to set the high standard for what a Consumer Tech video can be on RUclips. Majos kudos to you and your entire team. Y'all are absolutely killing it.
@@imyusuf The editing part actually has relevance to the content in this video. Like how the effects were actually changing while he was talking about them.
Really enjoying you summing up using alliteration in these recent videos. Every second of your videos show the hardwork you guys are putting in. Keep up the great job.
I feel like next time separate 'Best Photo' and 'Best Video' awards would be better, because whilst iPhone wins in terms of video, giving it 'Best Camera' is misleading in terms of photo quality, and might mislead people to buy the wrong phone for their needs
The camera is one of the reasons why I'm holding onto my iPhone 11 Pro Max for as long as I can. It seems like the 11 series was a really good sweet spot for iPhone cameras and I don't want to let it go for a camera that's advertised as being "better" but performs worse in real life circumstances.
Amin sister!!! I got 14 pro and after shooting editing for a day, give it my wife. Keep my 12 pro. I checked images I post from my XS Max. Even then they look better then new 14 pro. And biggest problem my editing workflow just now working on new iPhone 14 at all. Images to processed. And by trying to desaturated or reduce the contrast or sharpness only make thing worse. So yeah. Not for me for sure.
Man, Marques is one of the few ultra-popular RUclipsrs that is so good at breaking things down in a practical way...and isn't also annoying. Weird to say, but it's very rare 😅
The title grabbed my attention, as I have been experiencing this. Going from 4 -> 5c -> 6s -> XR -> 13 Pro, the 6s was my last phone that didn’t have noticeable camera quirks. While optical zoom is really nice, I feel that the basics have suffered from engineering efforts being split between so many separate cameras. The camera auto-switching behavior of the 13 Pro can be very hard to work around at times.
@@mafiaboy011 i think he’s talking about the fact that when you press the “3x” label in the camera app, the iphone automatically decides whether it’s gonna use the true optical zoom or crop into the main lens’ image (with the latter causing a lot of noise)
Great video Marques. I liked how you explained the details of cell phone photography and how different this video was in comparison to your typical review videos. This video was great because you explained something very complex in a very simple, understandable manner to the general public. Happy 2023 to you!
I noticed this on my iPhone 13 Pro Max. I hope a software update can make the older generation of iPhones' cameras better, and that it's not limited to just the next gen of iPhones that have a camera that doesn't produce over-processed photos.
Wishful thinking my friend. If it enhance already existing iPhone camera features then yes but any new camera features is going to be the new iPhone exclusive only
Now i understand why i prefer the camera of my gf,s galaxy, compared to my iphone. I always thought it was about the len,s quality, but now i see it,s the software. Thanks Marques!
I'm so glad someone said it, ever since the 12 I've felt like the camera on iPhone Pro models is not up to par and literally no one ever mentioned it in their reviews
@@ovrxpsd beyond the actual quality, i really appreciate that he respects viewer's time and doesnt prolong his videos longer than they need to be with meandering bullshit like most youtubers
I'm a photographer and I've used iPhones often with great results. My 12 Pro was incredible and always reliable. Got the 14 Pro about a month ago and I'm not pleased at all.
@@remyd8767 Not really. The photos come out looking overly processed. Night photos are complete crap. But, I will say that the video is quite impressive....I don't make many videos but it's really good and the in camera stabilization is amazing. Not impressed with the photos.
@@jimcappelletti9788if you’re a photographer…use Pro RAW for photos. If you have problem with file size…there is a shortcut that can be downloaded to minimize that size
I'm still using an iPhone XS. This model was the last one to have the option to store both the HDR and the "normal" picture on every shot. I'd say about 80% to 90% of the pictures look better in the processed, HDR mode, but that 10 to 20% of less processed pictures include some that are just beautiful, while their HDR versions are unusable. Apple removed the option to store the normal picture from the iPhone 11 on, which to me is a huge mistake.
Still using Xs here, i compared with 12 and they were so contrasty and unrealistic colours, i expect that 14 is even worse. This is the reason i'm using more my olympus now.
The RAW option can be enabled at least in 14 Pro’s native camera app. But it is still doing some crazy automatic editing to the photos most of the times
I tend to always shoot raw with my 14Pro and quite often use other apps (Lightroom mostly) so I don't notice the heavy lifting of the Ai - BUT - on the very odd occasion when I use the front camera for a quick selfie you can literally see the photo pop after its taken. Its like all hell has been let loose and the Ai has gone mad trying to do stuff with skin smoothie, tone mapping and who knows what else. Give users a means of delving into the settings and switching off some of the Ai stuff, leave it on as default for snaps, but allow a degree of control for those of us who want it
I have had my Pixel 6 Pro since day one. Google has done a great job updating and fine tuning the Pixel camera. I also think with Google using their Tensor chips that played a role in their tuning pictures and overall OS functionality. Great video!!
Same here. The Pixel 6 Pro is the best phone and smartphone camera I ever used by far. To imagine how well Google Pixel photography will improve in 3, 4, or even 5 generations of Tensor SoCs
I've owned a P6P since launch. I haven't seen a single meaningful camera update. The camera even still distorts audio like crazy when shooting 4k60 video, but not 4k30. Selfie video is still super noisy. Portrait mode still has unnatural blur and tons of over sharpening at 2x. They haven't updated or fixed anything in the camera.
The large difference in your skin tone between all the photos was one of the things that really jumped out at me, even between some photos that looked pretty similar otherwise . I'd never realised phones had processing specifically for skin tone, fascinating!
I’ve been complaining about iPhone’s post processing ruining photos for years now. Everyone who upgraded from an iphone 8 or even 10 or below has the same complaint - looks great in the viewfinder, completely (and irreversibly) ruined after processing…
Its content like this that makes me a huge fan of your Marques! Love these insights! I encourage you to do more such insightful videos as these videos are what differentiate you from the rest of the tech youtubers - anyone can do a review but only a few can understand and present such insights! Thanks Marques!
I upgraded from XR to 14 Pro Max and one thing which I hate about this phone is when I click a photo and open it, the phone takes a second or two for optimising/processing that photo and then it looks better to me. That delay was not there in previous iPhones and that is what I don’t like…hope it gets improved in future updates.
The optimisation after clicking picture is making it worse poor quality and smudgy and not sharp like Pixel Google pixels gonna crush iPhone camera if Apple doesn’t work on their photo processing algorithm
@@willc2883 this bothers me to no end. Especially with detailed, up close shots. The highlights get blown out every time and sharpness is cranked to the max
From 3:57 to 4:12, he explains the high sensitivity ,noise reduction, sharpening and over processing of images, not only verbally but also by changes in the video to help the viewer understand it visually as well! That's brilliant! 😁
Omg I can’t believe it either .. Wow just Wow 😂
thats mkbhd for ya :D
I love how much attention for detail is put for a RUclips video
also did not notice, very nice
Efforts 🔥👏
I've come to deeply appreciate how you explain these topics. I do I.T. and I find myself overexplaining pretty often and accidentally confusing people by trying to be too clear. You have mastered the art of teaching without overwhelming the listener. Thanks for everything you do!
Totally agree. Excellent comment!
Very true. Definitely a good skill if you need to engage with non-technical audiences professionally. Getting the idea across cleanly and without seeming patronizing.
This comment makes me think you’re on the spectrum
So true
Him and dave2d are really good at explaining things in layman's terms
You promote cobalt slavery? Wtf
When we all rely on camera processing, there's no reliable way to measure and judge "better" anymore, but this is a leading issue in a lot of neural network and AI tech. Developers can always guide it, but who decides what and how decisions are made when a chunk of those decisions aren't and can't be made by humans (devs or users)? We're living in strange times.
Yeah
I would guess at least some companies run tests similar to what MKBHD did to figure out what style people like most. Other companies might just rely on for example some photography professionals opinion. Some might do both.
Mamoru Oshii was onto something.
it's been like this since years tho when it comes to smartphone cameras
This has nothing to do with AI lol. There was never a way in the first place to judge what arbitrary configuration is the best. Marques prefer the look on the iPhone, maybe someone in Asia will prefer the look of the Xiomi. None of these strategies is "better" than the other.
Yep! A great explanation for why I have to manually adjust every iPhone photo I take in order for the image to come out as I would like. Generally I find the phone prefers over exposure to light everything in frame, and in the process loses so much mood and subtlety. Almost every shot I take requires a tap on the brightest part of the screen and then further decreased exposure by a step or two from there. Said in another way, the photos are not just photons and camera processing, but also user processing. Not to mention any post-processing (which I personally avoid).
Honestly I hope Marques makes videos forever because these kind of sit down, calm explanations of everything tech is what I am here for
His explication is soothing and at the same time very informative not every body can do that. Sometimes I try to explain it like he does but never get it across like he does. It's his natural niche.
With the way AI innovation is going, he might very well continue making videos forever as a digital avatar or something similar
Petition to make Marques immortal.
Totally agree 👍
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This is prime journalism.
This amount of attention to details, story telling is really world class.
Thanks Marques for showing the meaning of being a master of your craft.
What prime journalism lol? He conducted supposedly scientific tests, and then completely ignored the results to call iphone the best camera
@@dragonsaige then he made a video to talk about iphone camera problem xD
@@dragonsaige Congratulations on completely missing the point as explained in this video.
@Darkfarfetch what exactly is "woke skin tone"?
@@dragonsaige lol sometimes i say to myself why am i not a ytuber, literally you can find your own flock of sheeple (no off3nc3 to any1) and make money out of them, all you gotta do is tell them what they want to hear, even not, you will eventually find another flock that will like what they are hearing.... I am not talking about this guy specifically (actually puts some work in the video, watched him and others to decide which phone to take as an upgrade) but in general.
"Partly Photons, but Primarily Processing" is the most eloquent way of explaining modern smartphone cameras that I've ever heard. Great video, Marques.
I liked the quadruple P's, but coulda have been a quintuple with just the standard Peace straight after. "Partly Photons, Primarily Processing...Peace".
but when it s primarily photons and partly processing (or not proc), phones camera get shot down ( xperia line) by almost everyone...so.....processing is the trend.
@@vaudou74 I get what you're trying to get at, but nope! Old Pixels and Sony Xperia 1 mk 2, 3 and 4 takes the best most naturalistic true to life photos hands down. Because both the new Pixels, Samsungs and iPhones have an over sharpening, an over saturation, an over exposure and an over processing in general issue! And not a small one.. And regarding the iPhones in particular.. They always had this strange off putting green/yellow tint/tone as far as I can tell. Maybe not so much on the first three or four models, but from then on for sure, as far as I can remember. It has become better. I.e. less of an issue with every new model. But it's still there. Oh, and you forgot to mention that btw! In fact.. correct me if I'm wrong here.. But I don't think that MKBHD ever mentioned it. And pretty much no other tech reviewer either. Anyhow.. that green/yellow tone/tint is horrendous! And the damn phone seems to add it to every picture by default.. yyiiiikes! Makes all people look like they are being seriously ill/sea sick, lol!
And let's not even start venturing into the "beauty-mode-by-default-smoothing-China phones".. 🥴😖😫😫
The blind test sounds like a great idea and entertaining result. More of these tests would be appreciated
Very interesting insight! Recently switched from 11 Pro to 14 Pro, and feel like the difference is fairly insignificant (for the purposes for which I use the camera), leading to the question "what is happening with iPhone camera?"
I switched from 11 pro max to 14 pro. And I feel it’s much better quality of picture and video
O hi didn't expect to find you here
@@nohjh93 that's just your apple brain coping with how much money you wasted by buying an apple product
same. Returning my 14 pro. It's not worth the money
Activate the pro mode. With that enabled the pictures suddenly are insane. The level of detail is unmatched with any smartphone. Also the processing is much different. Especialle with brightness set to -0.3 pictures look superb.
This is a Brilliant video. Not only did you break down this complex topic so well, however created & edited the special effects to show people want you are talking about deserves an award
What’s happening is they will still sell in unimaginable numbers with no end in sight
I hate how Apple won't release imessage on androids
@@en_vy I have an android...I've never struggled to message anyone lol
Yes they sell so much because it is a status symbol. Even though, like his tests prove, people don't prefer the camera. For stills at least. If other phones like pixel could catch up in the video department things could change.
@@en_vy we need good competition because as of now we are losing fast! Look at flagship phone prices now versus a few years ago it’s turning into the Nvidia gpu prices situation but getting worse
@@en_vy Switch.
A lot of my friends with newer iPhones often ask me "what phone have you got?!" because my photos are so clear and vibrant. I have an iPhone 11 and I think it takes much better photos than my friends 12s and 13s. After watching this video I think I'm just going to upgrade to an 11 pro.
I used to love my iPhone XR and changed to a 12pro and the camera was worse. Then changed to 14pro and even worse. Now I’m thinking about to downgrade to 11.
I think when you initially purchase a phone, it should have a survey option when setting up the camera app to allow you to pick from photos you prefer over others. Therefore the software can personalize to the user's liking.
This is such a smart idea, a sort of small test , maybe show a variety of photos of different subjects and have you pick through and then calibrate the camera according to your selections.
Agreed. Like that's a billion dollar idea right there. Similar to Apple's Photo Styles (or whatever you call it) where you can actually adjust the processing of the photo, but more user-simplified, powerful, and in-depth.
I would love that function. For the lazy ones you can just add some preset calibrations made from professional photographers
Quick, patent this before Apple does!
That’s brilliant idea in my opinion
I think you’re correct with this. I personally wish we could get more of the “preview” pic vs what the post processing pics look like. Take a sunset pic for example, they look different on the preview vs what actually saves to the camera roll (iPhone
14 pro max). This works well on some pics but I’d prefer the most natural / real looking pic myself.
Probably has to do with the fact that you think what’s shown to you on the screen looks perfect when you hit the shutter button
The Pixel has an option to "save as preview"
How do you see the preview on iPhone?
@@Anankin12 so does samsung
@@Anankin12 but I think it might just be for the selfie cam
Im not quite sure
I’m not happy with the focusing distance of the 14 Pro. I had a much easier less frustrating photo taking experience with the 11 Pro I upgraded from. Not to mention the 14 Pro screen I’ve had for 2.5 months has way more scratches on it than the 11 Pro that I had for 3 years… it’s taken several steps back this generation
Just use a screen protector
In terms of the focusing distance, it’s because of the larger sensor.
Try up close ultrawide photos or step back and take a 2X shot
well, at least you paid the non-inflated price for this one. I, as a European, upgraded from my 11 Pro Max to a Pixel 7 Pro, partly because of increased prices (1449€/$ for the base 14 Pro Max). I don't know how I would feel if I actually spent that kind of money on a worse experience ^_^'
Scratches💀…bro that’s a you problem get a damn screen protector and this is with any phone or even any device and just be careful and there should be no scratches 😂🤣everything else you said was fine but the scratches is a human error
Why don't you have a screen protector
This video explains a lot. When I moved from the iPhone 8 Plus to the 12 Pro, I was convinced the 8 Plus took better photos. Now I know why - because they were processed a lot less. Apple really needs to up its camera game. What looks good in a lab will be very different in real-world photography scenarios. Why compute at all - we should have full control over editing or leaving the pic in its original form.
same and its so annoying
Same for me from iPhone XR to iPhone 14 Plus. The camera is trash u less outside in bright light. Trying to take a photo of an item with words on it u have to pull camera back 8-10 inches to get it to focus and then sometimes have to zoom in also
thats why for actual photography i use 3rd party apps, no processing done, its natural picture, they look so much better then the native camera app
The photos per se aren’t worse, but the processing. If you use an app that don’t do processing at all in both phones you would see the 12 pro is better - more detail, sharpenes, light etc.
@@rnsantiagowhich app? Because I keep going bk to my xs to take photos because the 15pro isn’t looking as good
I like your channel because you dont just "review" and "compare" but also give analysis data, and reasons, even researching physics and engineering behind it.
be for real there is zero technical explanation in this video lmfao the dickriding is crazy. It's a good video but nothing like you mentioned
Cheers for including a clip from our blind camera comparison! I personally agree about the iPhone not necessarily improving lately for photos. I was just chatting with a friend who says he now shoots video and pulls frame grabs from that for his photos because of how much better it looks, overall. 🤷🏻♂️
Between watching the video and seeing you comment, I’m subscribing
I’ve thought for a while that my iPhone’s video quality looks better than the photo quality, and could never figure out why. Nice to see someone find this to be true as well.
Totally agree, especially in darker scenes! The iPhone 14 Pro night mode looks like a pixelated oil painting now.
I saw someone doing a Camera A B Test between the 14 Pro and an iPhone 7 and the 7 genuinely won at least for video, because the 14 Pro is just oversharpened and the 7 was pleasantly soft with enough detail, which is just what you want in a video camera
Is Apple likely to improve this with future versions of iOS? Could the iPhone 13 with iOS 17 improve upon this (having more accurate light representation instead of lighting up the entire face of a person) since its just a software thing or would I need to get a new phone?
im so glad this is being addressed.
nearly every photo i take i look at, and I see the software processing it
a couple seconds after and it makes the image look worse in my opinion.
This the smartest, clearest, most well done explanation of smartphone image processing I've heard on RUclips. Kudos.
Do not interact with them
OMG, I'm glad someone finally brought this to light. I've had iPhone 13 Pro for more than a year. I upgraded from iPhone XS. At first, I was excited about the camera performance, especially in low light. However, then I started noticing the heavy processing mentioned in the video and unnatural subject overexposing. Also, any photos with high contrast scene look like a very bad HDR overprocessing. As a result, despite having a phone with incredibly capable camera sensor and lens (we would've only dreamed of this 5 years ago), many of my photos just look like overprocessed rubbish. It feels absolutely crazy to me that there's not way to turn these "smart" background processes. Now I would much prefer my photos the way they come straight out of camera just on my old iPhone XS. I don't think this is this really what Apple wanted to achieve with this? Well, perhaps the issue will get elevated since it's getting more attention. Thanks for bringing this to light Marques!
I don’t know why this was never mentioned before
Same here with iPhone 14 Pro. The AI image processing is doing worst than ever with this new module even when RAW Is Turned on. Image sharpening is way off, HDR is too agressive and low Light photos are noisy with no texture. Ultra wide camera is much worst than main
You are right! They look so overprocess. I have a Sony mirroles camera as well and the difference is night and day betwen them. They need to solve this problem, no one want’s a photo that process, it dosn’t look real. If you have rare hair, the HDR is so agressive that you see trew the hair like crazy.
I completely agree. Sometimes I refer to even taking a picture in certain scenarios where I know it’ll just be over edited rubbish.
I have the 14 pro max and I haven’t had any good pictures since the X. I really wish you could turn it off.
Indoor iphone photos are not that good than xiaomi and google pixel
This reminds me of someone in a podcast saying that it's increasingly hard to distinguish between good and bad TV series, since when everything looks so good these days you are fooled into thinking the story, acting, everything is good, and you don't understand why you are left with a feeling of emptiness inside after watching it. The same feeling is increasingly true with watching photography, as images with bad composition, uninteresting subject matter, etc, still look technically perfect and professionally exposed. Technical tools aimed to help laypeople get better result end up creating this eerie unnaturally "perfected" version of reality, largely devoid of anything interesting.
I dunno about that. Lot of people agree the Avatar movies are the best looking movies of all-time but have mediocre stories.
Yes, you're spot on!
@@robertmusil1107 I would like to add a similar title, Project I.G.I. I mean the graphics are not even close to newer FPS games but, man, the storyline is so well put together that the game feels like a "real" mission and not some senseless dogfight. Some other titles could include Stronghold: Crusader, Age of Empires II and such games.
A little grain, and dirtiness really help ground the photo in reality, maybe it’s why polaroids are so popular as it often encapsulates your experience with that moment.
@@robertmusil1107 BattleBit is a decent example
The interesting part in the blind test for me was how important accurate representation of dark skin tone is. I spent a lot of time between images asking "Which one is more accurately representing the tone of Marques' skin?" because some were absolute trash, and that was the easiest thing for me to differentiate in pictures.
Nice talk chat GPT
That's the weird part. What if have never seen mkbhd in real life.
@@CarlJohnson-iv7sn I'd imagine someone with such a high production value would colour-correct their skin tone in videos.
@@LJdaentertainer bro this is how I talk. I took it really personally when I played around with ChatGPT and it's writing read exactly like every essay I've ever written.
And that’s also the reason why a test with other skin tones will give you completely different results.
Marques...your team and you, are making one of the most educational and easy to understand technical videos on RUclips. Great work.
This might be my favorite video of yours and I’ve been watching since the OG days. As a professional photographer, I’ve always had trouble explaining to others that the phone camera test doesn’t mean much to me because of several different factors. There is just so much that goes into what I personally look for in a photo that an average person doesn’t understand because they’re simply looking at the final processed photo and that’s it. Thanks for making a video I can share with orhers!!
Copy and paste and this was my exact thinking. I love this guy. He's so on it.
Yep, also, reduce the resolution and size of the photos, and you're left out with the first impression.
This leads to a very interesting debate on what's "good" and what's "liked", and why what's "good" is considered so and why the qualities you judge things on (and perhaps most experts judge things on) have to be different from what the common mass judges things on.
Meat rider
@@Gjd94 hmm. Weird.
You seriously put out some of the highest quality content around. Just everything about it is fantastic. Keep doing you my man - you kill it.
Killing is bad
@@SarmadTechLab Lol. Not in this case. I think there’s a translation issue there 😁
@@SarmadTechLab 😆
Another ass kisser😔😔😔
@@Xenaman 😂😂😂 People like you are everything that is wrong with this world. I recently discovered his channel and as a fellow creator I find his work extremely impressive and inspirational. I know I appreciate kudos, so why not extend them to him on a job well done?
Get out of here with your meaningless negativity.
Man, the live changes to the image while explaining the overprocessing was yet another impressive feat of this video, I hope the editor is making as much money as he/she should. Said it once, will keep saying it, this is the best tech channel. I just love this channel!
That was my favorite part, too!
You can rest assured the editor is making bare minimum probably like an average salary of like 60 grand a year maybe 70 grand.
@@ZxAMobile
"bare minimum"
"70 grand"
pick one
That's not even impressive. The hell?? You literally just insert photos on editing software and add text to. Why impressed with that? Literally every video does picture insertions
Exactly this happened with my friend. He had iphone 14 pro max on a trip but did not like overprocessed photos at all. He was more pleased with my 2016 $250 pocket camera as it gave very realistic image with details and some real depth effects.
I really want to focus on what Marques is talking about but just simply amazed at how the editing team of this channel is mind blowing. The quality of production, the simplicity yet when you think deeply, you realized that it was really complex. Now I know the reason why MKBHD don’t upload as often as any other channel does because one MKBHD video is produced meticulously. Simply mind blown! 🤯
Love the real time visual representation through animation and editing, makes it so easy to understand what you're talking about. Like when you say over-sharpened, it's not as jarring as seeing it happen then you're like ok that's bad. Great work man, keep it up!
The intro and animations in this video are next level, keep it up Marques!
Every. Video.
I mean it’s the whole team working
@@rspec122 how tf is this simpin
@@rspec122 I swear that there are people who probably only watch the intro and dont care about the content. Its annoying.
Dang! Marques' content is still getting better.. the only one that can beat Marques' content is Marques himself, he is really second to none.
Ive seen hundreds of smartphone camera videos and for some reason this one just really helped me understand everything that goes behind the software and what a picture actually is. So thank you very much!
This explains a lot. Just recently I was using a Pixel 4a, while my daughter has a 13 Pro. We both love taking photos, usually with a lot of people in the shot and everyone, *everyone* including me kept getting blown away how the 4a's photos could perform toe to toe in terms of image quality, sometimes even better and all of the time when it comes to low light shots.
A few weeks ago I made the move to a 14 (regular). Although the camera experience is better (and the ultra wide is awesome).. I cant help but compare its photos back to my 4a and prefer those.
Buy pixel 7 or wait for our dear pixel 8❤️💯⚡⚡⚡
I think something is wrong with my Pixel 4a because it takes some of the worst photos I've ever seen on a smartphone from the past 5 years. Compared to my family who also own a 4a or other Pixel model
@@markowalski1 reset
@@infinitysaiyan No he should just wait for the iphone 16 or 17
🧢 they’re terrible
So, I’m an audio engineer as well as an artist, & I can say that the same saturation of processing is happening in the audio world just as much as the visual. Over processed vocals or photos are never good 🎈
Autotune! Ugh!
What do you guys think of Dolby's audio recording app? As a musician who uses those recordings to record sketches of songs, I'm quite impressed
@@MennoNehernot autotune in a lot of circumstances. you can usually tell if the autotune is supposed to be intentional. if you’re left guessing whether they want you to hear it or not, that’s a bad autotune job
And Auto tune has gotten so ubiquitous that you don't know what a singer's voice actually sounds like anymore.
Not the same at all lmao
Thank you man for making this video. It helps me confirm I'm not seeing things lol. I have both an iPhone 14 pro and Pixel 6A. I find myself reaching for my 6A for photo taking most every time. Especially low light. The 14 pro does major over processing in 48mp mode with low light situations. It's terrible. I have to turn off, so to speak, the 48mp res for low light. The 6A just works, love it.
I've always 'watched' MKBHD videos, but recently I started really 'enjoying' them because of all the little details that raise the bar in production quality. Best tech channel ever.
The level of editing in MKBHD’s videos gets better and better every time. The first 60sec, while may not seem like much, was perfect introduction to how photos are processed and illustrated beautifully.
I’m so glad you spoke to this. I just upgraded from the XS to the iphone 14 max pro last month, and was driving me crazy how much it auto enhances the photos. Still a great camera system but I like keeping photos as natural as possible.
It’s not natural at all
@@albertocoss734 shot in raw that s it
shoot Raw or select a preset style and adjust it to your liking.
@@nikthesinger RAW is terrible for the average user, it has basically no processing and huge file size, it is meant for photographers that edit the photos later through software like photoshop and lightroom. A much better option is to get a more feature-rich camera app like Halide and tweak it to your liking. It will still produce relative small file sizes and process them to your liking. Apps like that can react much quicker than apple purely because they can release updates every few days, thus they tweak based on feedback at a rapid pace.
Then you need to buy a real camera, not a sh&thole with a tiny diaphragm. The quality of the image depends on the amount of light absorbed. which is proportional to the lens diameter.
This is a very long winded way of MKBHD admitting they're an apple shill.
The way you included the cinematography at 3:57 of the various smartphone camera processing (lighting, sharpening , etc.) is dope!!!
The blind test was great, kudos MKBHD.
I have both the Pixel 7 Pro and the 14 Pro Max and use both on a daily. Yeeeaaaahh, while the 14 Pro Max has it's strengths, if you wanted to just take a photo, dang the 7 Pro is something else.
Like iPhone isn't bad whatsoever, it just needs tuning.
You are doing well @HelloHorizon having the world's best photography phone for your photos and the world's best video phone for your videos. Happy days for you bro. 👍
These videos are the best and most honest commentary on technology. Thank you for all this great content.
IPhone still on same , beta this beta that, it's not new technology, same thing.
Ehhh... not when it comes to Tesla and Elon.
I love the way you talk 😂 its so real doesn't sound forced or over rehearsed or like your reading a script.
Sounds so good.
I'm a public speaker and I have to say keep up the good work bro
I am glad this is getting highlighted by tech reviewers like Marques. Hope Apple takes note and gets this fixed ASAP.
If it doesn't hurt their stock price, they won't care.
They won't fix it because they don't care about you, your thoughts, only your money😅😂
I'm glad you mentioned this as I've noticed something is definitely up with the 14 Pro camera. Over the last few weeks, I've had a couple times where I take a picture of something indoors and the quality is just...not up to par like it usually would be. Then I grab my Pixel 7 Pro and it captures exactly what I was hoping to get with the 14 Pro. I usually keep the iPhone on me as a reliable way to get a great pic and excellent video at any time, but now I can't really trust it with pics. It'll be P7P for pics and 14 Pro for videos only.
Just like me 😂
Same feeling on 13 pro max.
this is the way
Dang you got the newest apple and google phone.
So you happen to have both these phones ? Yeah !?
This channel has basically been my tech class. Learnt a lot. Thanks Marques.
one channel should not be your main source of anything.
3:56 to 4:12 was outstanding how he explained and gave you examples all in secs. That's MKBHD for you.
Did anyone notice he actually did all the things in the video starting from 03:57 while he was speaking on it? Hats off to the creativity!!
This is incredible, Marques. Your way of explaining stuff would have me sit down and listen about anything. You could explain why water is wet and I would sit there listening quietly for hours.
actually an interesting question^^
Your dumb this guy has been biased since 8 years ago when he was skinnier than a pole
I confess that you are truly correct, Marques talks a lot 😅🤣
And he can’t be bothered to acknowledge your comment
@@lateral1385 then why did you acknowledge my comment?
This proofs that my comment has grabbed your attention which is why you read and replied to it. 🤣🤣
Love your high sensitivity, noise reduction, & over sharpening edits you made to the video when discussing those issues
"Pictures from your phone are partly photons, but primarily processing"
Great work Marques. You went an extra mile on this video, and we appreciate it.
This vid was insanely good and interesting. I love videos where it doesn't feel like there is a script, rather just an interesting conversation. Marques really knows how to explain his thoughts well!
I’m starting to like the endings more and more!
For me, the IPhone X it was the best phone ever.
The pictures I took were just breath taking!
Perhaps in the next blind camera test, include a "control" picture taken with a proper camera (like DSLR) that's meant to be the "accurate" representation of the scene in the picture. That way we can compare the pictures with how they should look like. Or it can be treated just like another regular picture, and from the result we can see if we tend to like certain looks more than the reality itself.
yes!!! this should be done to compare. If not we would be comparing opinions. My blue is not the same as your blue. (remember the gold-white vs. blue-black dress)
What if I tell you every DSLR also takes a lot of subjective decisions to create the jpg you are looking at on a screen? On the topic of photo vs reality va objectivity there is a whole library of philosophical books written. It’s all not so easy (but very interesting).
@@cores163 I know, that's why I quote the "accurate" part. it can never be a perfect way to depict reality, but it can be close.
The real question is, why hasn't a standard such as this been set and used in all previous camera comparison videos?
This should be a top comment
BEAUTIFUL INTRO!!!!!!!!!! EVERY YEAR IT GETS SO MUCH BETTER
I miss the music :(
Animation is top of the line as usual though
I held off on watching this video because I didn't think I cared but this might now be my favorite MKBHD video. I use both an iphone 13 pro and a pixel 6 daily and its crazy how well your deep dive into this summed up my feelings. Every picture I take of my family, I always use the pixel because unanimously we think it looks the best(Real Tone doing its thing). but in pretty much any other scenario I usually grab the iphone for things like speed to open the app, microphone and video quality. Absolutely amazing content
the pixel is better in every way. if you want to take pictures, you shouldnt use anything else. google pixel stays on top fr
@@ilovechiefsosa I think a person who actually uses both would have a better idea of what works better in what situation than you.
@@valacftw who are you again? randoms fr be getting outta line
@@ilovechiefsosa who are you
@@ilovechiefsosa and you’re any less of a random? actual toddler logic 😂 you’re in here blindly stanning a smartphone you absolute npc
I feel like I haven't taken a single photo of myself that i like with my Samsung s20 ultra since I've had it. this video really explains a lot of the reason why. I always feel like it's trying to give me what it thinks I want, instead of taking a picture of what it sees. especially in low light selfie mode. I take photos to remember moments and I want them to look like how they looked in real life, not overprocessed with altered colours!
I have the note20 ultra and I completely agree!! I'm finally upgrading to the s23 ultra this year and I'm hoping they fix all the trees issues I have with the camera
@Easton Cornelius I really hope so too! I'm considering that phone for when i upgrade, these camera issues have been a huge reason why i havent upgraded already. I miss my note 8, I loved that phone and the camera so much. sad to hear the note 20 had issues too, damn!
same with my s22, the software turned every photo into an ugly overcolored & oversharpened mess.
what helped the camera immensely was simply abandoning the stock app and install gcam, there are so many parameters that you can change!
after some fine tuning the photos started to look really nice and natural.
get gcam and the configs for your phone model you will be amazed.
@@Schnoizl Another option to help (specifically with oversharpening) is the Camera Assistant setting that you can access now. It was a labs/galaxy store add on in One UI 5 but now it's built in for 5.1 and you can remove the sharpening processing by setting "Picture Softening" to Medium or High. Compare some images of foliage especially and you will see a world of difference and far more natural looking images!
@@emmapaplinski3151 I notice hardly anyone talks about the S20 Series... Especially the Ultra. Everyone either has/had a base S20, or S20 FE.. The Scene Optimizer is also something you could turn off and the colors then become more natural.. I would also play around with the camera settings a bit as well to get a natural looking image. Samsung is known to give SO MANY features and I think it's best to utilize them while they're there. Pro Mode is also another thing I recommend since you can adjust the colors before even taking the shot. As you might know, there's Expert Raw now so you can take a photo through that and edit it in Adobe Lightroom..
Man, seriously. Never stop making videos. Hadn't watched a video of yours for nearly a year. But I opened this one up and it feels like 2011 again. Hats off Marques🤲🏿
I didn’t originally like him but watched him some. But his videos are absolutely EXCELLENT these days.
@@russellgoldman7431 he's always been excellent.
He always delves deeper into the subject or product instead of just saying " woah" " wow" etc and just spouting out buzzwords and specs already listed.
@@lukky6648 he’s a superman and Neeraj from India should like him
Sameeee
I know I really regret ditching my iPhone 11 Pro for the 13 Pro. I take lots of pictures of my work, which tend to be very small machine components. The camera on the 11 worked really well for this. I could get super clear photos that were extremely detailed. The 13 looks just as you said- over processed. I like the 3D scanner on the 13, but it’s not worth the camera downgrade.
turn on the native 40 megapixel setting
Do you ever used the Apple Pro RAW?
@@dennyyohanes8677 the reason why sony sells less is because of all those complicated stuffs..
Just wait till they drop a software fix. It's not like you have to live with bad software (assuming you get an update)
i’m the opposite lol my iphone 11 camera sucks. pictures only come out good when i’m in good lightning and my .5 camera is always pixelated
Thank you for validating what I have been feeling man. I went from the 13 Pro to the 14 Pro and have found that the regular pictures on the 14 Pro have a ‘blandness’ to them in comparison to the 13 Pro. I have been resorting to either Portrait mode to just recording videos to get those desired results. I’m hoping Apple keeps tweaking the software to get the 14 Pro back on track - in my humble opinion
@@HighlySalvy use the ProRAW image and edit it, first dialing down on all the lighting correction.
@@andreasbrand3191 how? In the picture app?
If people stopped buying a new phone every year that 'be nice
All my photos on the 14 pro are blurry
Why upgrade after a year?
Nobody ever compares the RAW photos taken by smartphones... something I would like to see one day
Love the way you take a deep dive into a topic and notice even the smallest details and then manage to explain them so good.. Keep up the good work, love the channel✌️🙏
How much time does it take you (all) to do the research and create a video like this? Your reviews are by far the best on youtube, hands down. Really well done and thank you for doing this.
He’s got a whole team with him
@@AVVideo247 I’m sure he’s aware, that’s probably why he put “all” in parentheses
He and his whole team moves on this and are on top 5 youtubers of the whole world. If they don't know, no one would.
8 hours
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I'm really glad you made this video because for the past few years, I've been feeling like iPhones have been doing more software processing on photos than they had before (and in a poor way). I've had the iPhone 6, 10R, 11, & 13 and my favorite camera was actually on the iPhone 6.
I haven't had the 13 long enough to notice it, but, on the 10R and 11, I had moments where I'd take a photo that appeared to be a really nice photo. But then, I look at what happens after the photo is processed and it messes with the lighting in different areas (specifically faces - like you mentioned) when in actuality, I wanted the lighting conditions I was shown prior to snapping the photo.
It honestly bugs me quite a bit, because the correction the iPhone tries to take on lighting different areas of the photo can (and have) easily ruined the photo and what I was trying to accomplish.
Here's to hoping it just gets better 🤷♂
True.
Even I like iPhone 11 photos more than my iPhone 13 Pro
Bought recently. 😢
Please do a follow up to with video. iPhone 15 and 15 pro have not improved significantly.
I noticed this problem already with the 13pro. I upgraded in 2021 to the 13pro from 6s and man did it looks insanely over processed. I actually preferred the overall look from my ancient 6s despite the noise and other issues with it. Shame they're still getting it wrong, these are not cheap phones.
Let's take a moment to appreciate the intro animation. Marques don't disappoint, keep it up.
I was looking all through the comments why no one's noticed or saying anything about the intro. It took me by surprise, obviously new year new intro but its soooo good. Just perfect with the sound.
9:15 This video is gold. I experienced this on vacation just this week where the iPhone 14 Pro did over sharpening and lighting of the faces to the point where it seemed weird and I ended up just taking pictures from my old OnePlus 7 Pro.
Dear Apple:
Please provide an option to completely turn off computational photography. That’s all. I love you.
as a photographer, i love how smart your videos are. you really know these stuff.
Incredibly in depth look at the camera + software relationship! Thanks Marques. I've been using the iPhone 14 Pro a lot for photos since September and I just couldn't figure out why the photos lacked lustre... unlike the video which actually performs much better in my experience than the 12 pro and 13 pro.
Marques...I've been watching you for a long time man, longer than I guarantee you could really guess. I have to say that this is absolutely your best video. The topic of the video is important, and both Apple and Google should listen very carefully to what you're saying. BUT, aside from that...the story of this video was absolutely perfect. The style in which you decided to convey this particular message was perfect. This is your shining example of everything you've learned being on this platform coming to a head to set the high standard for what a Consumer Tech video can be on RUclips. Majos kudos to you and your entire team. Y'all are absolutely killing it.
You haven't seen then his Tesla auto test drive . Dude risked his life for content and v
This was a really done video. Insane how machine learning / ai has significantly tuned captures to perceived quality.
This video is so insanely well edited and composed. Great work.
The great videos are more about content and very very less about how they are edited.
@@imyusuf That makes no sense. The fact that editing can be an integral part in the quality of content can be observed repeatedly in this video.
@@imyusuf The editing part actually has relevance to the content in this video. Like how the effects were actually changing while he was talking about them.
@@ritzkashyap8288 iPhone 14 pro max is just a copycat of Nothing phone 1 😂😂
@@matpk I think you might have a concussion. Get it checked ASAP.
Really enjoying you summing up using alliteration in these recent videos. Every second of your videos show the hardwork you guys are putting in. Keep up the great job.
I feel like next time separate 'Best Photo' and 'Best Video' awards would be better, because whilst iPhone wins in terms of video, giving it 'Best Camera' is misleading in terms of photo quality, and might mislead people to buy the wrong phone for their needs
The camera is one of the reasons why I'm holding onto my iPhone 11 Pro Max for as long as I can. It seems like the 11 series was a really good sweet spot for iPhone cameras and I don't want to let it go for a camera that's advertised as being "better" but performs worse in real life circumstances.
Amin sister!!! I got 14 pro and after shooting editing for a day, give it my wife. Keep my 12 pro. I checked images I post from my XS Max. Even then they look better then new 14 pro. And biggest problem my editing workflow just now working on new iPhone 14 at all. Images to processed. And by trying to desaturated or reduce the contrast or sharpness only make thing worse. So yeah. Not for me for sure.
@@future3422in some way maybe. Overall no. But for regular user its for better, no doubt. Especially if you did not upgraded every year or two
My iPhone 11 Pro makes everyone looks aged and there’s no depth in my landscape photos. Useless for anything other than screenshots now
@@user-vj1nq5vf4ywhat are you upgrading to
I’m using my iPhone 11 still
Please throw that junk and get a pixel xD
Man, Marques is one of the few ultra-popular RUclipsrs that is so good at breaking things down in a practical way...and isn't also annoying. Weird to say, but it's very rare 😅
Your vids are becoming more and more like a Data Analytics project. Amazing as always! 💪🏼
The title grabbed my attention, as I have been experiencing this. Going from 4 -> 5c -> 6s -> XR -> 13 Pro, the 6s was my last phone that didn’t have noticeable camera quirks. While optical zoom is really nice, I feel that the basics have suffered from engineering efforts being split between so many separate cameras. The camera auto-switching behavior of the 13 Pro can be very hard to work around at times.
I still have a 6 … thanks for this one! BTW, apparently Apple will no longer be updating 6’s starting this year, but still not giving up mine!
pixel7 pro can switch betwenn all three cameras in 4k 60fps video mode which even 14 pro cant do right now
@@mafiaboy011 i think he’s talking about the fact that when you press the “3x” label in the camera app, the iphone automatically decides whether it’s gonna use the true optical zoom or crop into the main lens’ image (with the latter causing a lot of noise)
@@majkoo yeah, and good. You wouldn't want the iPhone user to have too much control and freedom, would you? /s
I'm so happy you're still making videos :)
Great video Marques. I liked how you explained the details of cell phone photography and how different this video was in comparison to your typical review videos. This video was great because you explained something very complex in a very simple, understandable manner to the general public. Happy 2023 to you!
this guy simply mastered youtube. consistent uploads, consistent information being pushed out. MKHB is one of the best youtubers to grace this planet.
It’s not that he mastered youtube, it’s that there will always be technology to talk about. Thats why news channels never die.
You are a shoe licker
I noticed this on my iPhone 13 Pro Max. I hope a software update can make the older generation of iPhones' cameras better, and that it's not limited to just the next gen of iPhones that have a camera that doesn't produce over-processed photos.
Amen!
Wishful thinking my friend. If it enhance already existing iPhone camera features then yes but any new camera features is going to be the new iPhone exclusive only
You call a 13 pro max older generation? Lol wtf
Apple will unlikely bring new features to older iPhones.
@@jcap8391 classic brainwashed marketing mentality… anything a year old is “antique” and “useless”.
Now i understand why i prefer the camera of my gf,s galaxy, compared to my iphone. I always thought it was about the len,s quality, but now i see it,s the software. Thanks Marques!
I'm so glad someone said it, ever since the 12 I've felt like the camera on iPhone Pro models is not up to par and literally no one ever mentioned it in their reviews
I usually never pass on an MKBHD video and each time, it just seems the your videos just keep getting better. I love this.
I noticed that I never skip on MKBHD videos
His videos are so clean and professional yeah no way I’m missing them
@@LeesReviews69 right? it feels like he’s doing US a favor by letting us watch his content. lol
@@ovrxpsd beyond the actual quality, i really appreciate that he respects viewer's time and doesnt prolong his videos longer than they need to be with meandering bullshit like most youtubers
I'm a photographer and I've used iPhones often with great results. My 12 Pro was incredible and always reliable. Got the 14 Pro about a month ago and I'm not pleased at all.
Its been 5 months. Are you better pleased now with iphone?
@@remyd8767 Not really. The photos come out looking overly processed. Night photos are complete crap. But, I will say that the video is quite impressive....I don't make many videos but it's really good and the in camera stabilization is amazing. Not impressed with the photos.
@@jimcappelletti9788yea night mode is terrible, specially if there’s faces in photo
@@jimcappelletti9788have you used the 13 ?
@@jimcappelletti9788if you’re a photographer…use Pro RAW for photos. If you have problem with file size…there is a shortcut that can be downloaded to minimize that size
Your videos have been WAY MORE philosophical lately... I love them! Keep it up
I'm still using an iPhone XS. This model was the last one to have the option to store both the HDR and the "normal" picture on every shot. I'd say about 80% to 90% of the pictures look better in the processed, HDR mode, but that 10 to 20% of less processed pictures include some that are just beautiful, while their HDR versions are unusable. Apple removed the option to store the normal picture from the iPhone 11 on, which to me is a huge mistake.
yes I remember my older iPhone would never process as heavy as my newer one
Still using Xs here, i compared with 12 and they were so contrasty and unrealistic colours, i expect that 14 is even worse. This is the reason i'm using more my olympus now.
I guess you could try using an app that lets you save natural RAWS , (non proraw)
The RAW option can be enabled at least in 14 Pro’s native camera app. But it is still doing some crazy automatic editing to the photos most of the times
@@jaans3712 Best option is a third party photo app that lets you take raw images (not proraw)
I tend to always shoot raw with my 14Pro and quite often use other apps (Lightroom mostly) so I don't notice the heavy lifting of the Ai - BUT - on the very odd occasion when I use the front camera for a quick selfie you can literally see the photo pop after its taken. Its like all hell has been let loose and the Ai has gone mad trying to do stuff with skin smoothie, tone mapping and who knows what else. Give users a means of delving into the settings and switching off some of the Ai stuff, leave it on as default for snaps, but allow a degree of control for those of us who want it
I have had my Pixel 6 Pro since day one. Google has done a great job updating and fine tuning the Pixel camera. I also think with Google using their Tensor chips that played a role in their tuning pictures and overall OS functionality. Great video!!
Same here. The Pixel 6 Pro is the best phone and smartphone camera I ever used by far. To imagine how well Google Pixel photography will improve in 3, 4, or even 5 generations of Tensor SoCs
I've owned a P6P since launch. I haven't seen a single meaningful camera update. The camera even still distorts audio like crazy when shooting 4k60 video, but not 4k30. Selfie video is still super noisy. Portrait mode still has unnatural blur and tons of over sharpening at 2x. They haven't updated or fixed anything in the camera.
Best tech youtuber for sure
The large difference in your skin tone between all the photos was one of the things that really jumped out at me, even between some photos that looked pretty similar otherwise . I'd never realised phones had processing specifically for skin tone, fascinating!
I’ve been complaining about iPhone’s post processing ruining photos for years now. Everyone who upgraded from an iphone 8 or even 10 or below has the same complaint - looks great in the viewfinder, completely (and irreversibly) ruined after processing…
Its content like this that makes me a huge fan of your Marques! Love these insights! I encourage you to do more such insightful videos as these videos are what differentiate you from the rest of the tech youtubers - anyone can do a review but only a few can understand and present such insights! Thanks Marques!
That's why you're the best Marques! Amazing explanation one more time :)))
I upgraded from XR to 14 Pro Max and one thing which I hate about this phone is when I click a photo and open it, the phone takes a second or two for optimising/processing that photo and then it looks better to me. That delay was not there in previous iPhones and that is what I don’t like…hope it gets improved in future updates.
This infuriates me, I go from a great photo to one that is unusable. I love love photos but now I have to shoot raw to get anything useable.
The optimisation after clicking picture is making it worse poor quality and smudgy and not sharp like Pixel
Google pixels gonna crush iPhone camera if Apple doesn’t work on their photo processing algorithm
I believe you can turn that feature off in Photos setting. It’s the toggle about optimising HDR image. Hope it solves it for you
@@willc2883 this bothers me to no end. Especially with detailed, up close shots. The highlights get blown out every time and sharpness is cranked to the max
Absolutely