Baeclast #75 Chris Wilson vs The PoE Community
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2021
- Chris Wilson the Lead Developer of Grinding Gear Games joined the cast to have a frank discussion about the current state of Path of Exile, the failings of 3.15, what players should expect from 3.16 / 3.17 and ultimately PoE2. This was a really important conversation to have so massive thanks to everyone involved!
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There was a lot of pressure going into this episode so I really do hope you guys enjoyed it and that everyone can take something away from the show that they are happy with.
Loved the podcast! I hope to have more of these mid league podcasts talking about goals and the future of the game!
You all were great!
Lots of things to takeaway! This is a great example of what healthy interactions can look like inside gaming. Many outside of gaming meme or caricature those within gaming. Everyone today conducted themselves in such an exemplary way. Any industry professional that is involved with direct client/customer interactions could learn a ton from today's discussion. Thanks again to you and the rest of the hosts and Chris!
What an absolute unit! Thanks to Chris and all of you guys for doing this!
Poe used to be u build all dmg n life then as you get gear u could drop dmg to get defences... But when stuff like sirius dom mods basically tell you you need wayyyy more dmg nothing can be wasted elsewhere, kinda lame. Plus ms skills not having i frame for stuff is like ok take away 75% of player skill mattering, not to mention Sirius beams special hinder n other cheese crap like doors.... Take away the doors now that we don't have flasks and dodge... Doors were absolutely garbage cheese mechanic n they removed our anti cheese tech. Last they need to stop stacking rng i'm tired of the only choice i get in the game is get fkd by 3 rng or 5 rng who cares rng is all just the same damn casino gimmick like cmon.
A huge thank you from our team to each of you for hosting this and for taking on the expectations of the entire community. We really appreciate it.
Love all you guys ❤️❤️❤️
Awesome stream. Buff Harvest
Thank you for engaging. I'll be playing for a year soon and there's just so much content/builds that I am not close to bored- just my hands hurt so keep working on the less clicking/piano requirements
Thanks for doing this, it was both interesting and enlightening
GGG ♥️ PoE for life - LetsGo
Impressed by this discussion. My favorite thing when not playing POE is discussing POE. This was by far the best, most constructive interaction I've ever seen in the midst of a tense air in the community. Two thumbs up to cast of Baeclast & to Chris Wilson. This is exemplary community/design engagement and should be studied by others in the industry as something to aim for.
Yeah I agree. I have a fulltime job and a family so my time watching/listening and reading about POE is actually a lot more than my playing time. 😅😅😅
@@davidpowell3469maybe you didn't watch it lol. Chris decided? Yeah you definitely didn't watch it lol
It's only worth studying if it leads to positive change. Right now it's just lots of talking and damage control by a guy who sees the bottom line being eroded by the changes they've made to the game. GGG has promised an awful lot in the past and with a few exceptions, they don't deliver. Hold off on buying that golden modem trophy for a bit.
@@davidpowell3469 yes, because the players who put in 3 hours a week should definitely have the same power level as those who play it professionally and put in over 7 hours a day. There's a gap between the 1% and the 99% for a reason, and anyone who wants that gap and thinks that gap should close is fooling themselves
PoE is fun and I appreciate their openness as the game works through changes - a hurt WoW fan
Huge thanks Tarke Cat for mentioning the lack of any servers down here in South Africa, I'm sure a lot of players down here thought their intentions for no closeby server was financially based. Great podcast, very informative questions, keep it up!
Timestamp perhaps? SA servers would be amazing!
3:02:00
I mean. Let's be honest. You build infrastructure when you believe you can make substantial use of it doe long enough that it pays for itself and then some.
South Africa is hardly known for its infrastructure...mmm... staying in the hands of those who built it. Especially if the owners are deemed to be the wrong skin color.
Omg they mentioned us in the Podcast, uhm yes please bring SA servers to POE??? :D Been playing and supporting for 4 years! Will love to get local ping instead of 150ms!
Ping has come down over the years from 200 to 150ish but ye, hopefully they can get an SA server soon.
Just wanted to say that as a long time player of the game, I'm VERY appreciative of this episode of Baeclast. I feel like this did a lot for trying to bridge some of the miscommunication between GGG and the community. When CW said "we've been afraid to talk about some of these things with the community" at the beginning, that made me more sad than even some of the nerfs I disagreed with. Largely because the communication between GGG and the community is one of the strongest and most defining pillars of PoE imo. Here's to hoping this is going back to roots (for lack of a better phrase) on that and regaining the much loved and desired open dialogue between the company and the community.
It was 4+ years ago, they don't give a shit now, whatever community likes, GGG dev's destroy.
@@Lubet0TheGreat See, you're the exact type of person who's part of the problem and why they don't communicate with us as much as they used to. Overstating and personal attacks. You should discuss THE CHANGES, not the people.
@@thesunryze4658 I expressed my observations for the last 1.5 years. The community's voices fell on deaf ears. I remember back in the day, GGG released 1 month challenge league only for SC, there was a community outrage and the devs worked extra hard 2 more days and released equivalent league also for HC, now that's the company I fell in love with. Now there is a 500 pages thread about harvest and 95% of the people are against nuking it, they did it anyway, the same with trading, the same with item pollution, rare items are worthless, 0 chase item from endgame bosses, random one shots, QoL changes people want like not clicking on 321321321 different orbs and currencies, have you seen the game without item filter, it's out of control. And yet they don't address any of those problems. Players deal too much damage? GGG's response: nerf every support gem. Problem solved in their eyes, but the 100s of non-meta builds who did enough damage before but now are worthless are the collateral damage. The same think with harvest, by nerfing it they killed so many non-meta builds who can't function without the mechanic. It's killing a fly with rocket launcher every time. Also the performance problems are out of control, the chinese censorship is everywhere, textures aren't loading what league now, isn't that more serious problem than switching Headsman with Bane of legends and visa versa.
@@thesunryze4658 And you're the type of person that for some reason values words more than actions. This interview is usual protocol for GGG's damage control. Same with all the manifestos lately. I'll personally reserve my judgement until they ACTUALLY do something.
@@Lubet0TheGreat Well, I mean, what you're saying is half true half wrong. Players point out issues, but give bad solutions. GGG aknowledge these issues (like Chris did in this video) but explain that they are trying to find the best solution to fix it. It's not the game we used to know, it's way more complex, and therefore problem solving has also became way more complex, especialy if now they have game longevity in mind.
"95% of the people are against nuking it" first, random statistic. second, false statistic, polls have been made on reddit with around 50/50 agreement, and that's the most reliable statistic we have, which isn't reliable at all.
"rare items are worthless" they've been working on that since Heist, Chris said during this video that they are STILL working on that.
"0 chase item from endgame bosses" Chris said new league should have very good uniques, and if it doesn't it's a fail because that's one of their big goals for this one league.
"random one shots" adressed in the video, working on it.
"QoL changes people want like not clicking on 321321321 different orbs and currencies" shards now drop in stack more often, flask changes were motivated by this (but it's a fail, he aknowledged that), they say they are working on pickup range etc... so, adressed in the video.
"have you seen the game without item filter, it's out of control" he adressed that in the video as well. They are working on it.
I mean, can you understand that it takes time to implement proper solutions which will not hurt the game in the long run / will be pointless after 2 more leagues ?
I better have them take 5 to 10 leagues to fix something properly once it's been brought up by the community, than 1 league to get a shitty fix and call it a day.
Let's continue
"Players deal too much damage? GGG's response: nerf every support gem. Problem solved in their eyes, but the 100s of non-meta builds who did enough damage before but now are worthless are the collateral damage" He said they are looking into that, they're not happy with it, and therefore claiming "problem solved in their eyes" is a straight up lie.
"the chinese censorship is everywhere" wtf ? he said they have 0 implication with the development of the game. Please, give an example.
"isn't that more serious problem than switching Headsman with Bane of legends and visa versa." Different teams working on different issues, and switching 2 nodes take a few minutes, fixing engine related issues or whatever big scale issue require dozens of hours of team effort, and more.
Should be clear that you're talking complete bullshit now. It's fine having concerns, I do as well, but if you can't understand game development in general, just don't talk about the topic and simply say you're unhappy instead of making false accusations. You're having unrealistic expectations.
To everyone involved (including Chris Wilson): Good job on the interview.
This has got to be one of the most informative POE discussions I’ve heard in recent years. Some of the questions were really blunt (Raiz was brutal lol) but they absolutely needed to be asked. Kudos to y’all for doing this
That's very respectable. This is the reason I love Chris and GGG.
No lol on the raiz stuff tbh, straight up rude
@@sss-si5tl remove yourself instead. he brought up excellent points the others didnt talk about
@@Ajoscram I was feeling the same thing, seemed excessive
@@theugliestguy858 I don't like how his general demeanor seemed hostile and rude when asking some questions. Perhaps he could've phrased things differently. But that's just my opinion, not sure why my character is in question over saying that lol
I don't want to go into whether I like the answer of CW or where the game is or even where it is going. just want to say that I really appreciated this pod cast, thank you Tarke and Baeclast team for their time and effort.
Back to AoE Music and Grim Dawn! LETS GOOOOOO! RIP Classic WoW, RIP PoE, RIP Grandma
I think it's amazing that the lead developer would spend so much time on a live stream and to be so candid about what the past thinking was, and what's going on with future development. I'd love for him to do this again, maybe once per quarter.
I love the idea of reducing the map pool to 100 and regions to 4 , it just makes so much more sense.
100 core maps and maybe add some league specific/themed maps?
My only reservation with that is Atlas passives... we can't just have each region absorbing all passives and having 2x points as that would severely hamper it and only having 4 "builds" you can make for your atlas at any given point might not be enough
@@rosco3 There are some pretty useless and unintuitive Atlas passives that no one ever takes, I'm assuming they'll get rid of those and reorganize everything accordingly.
@@serakayle7903 well, yes but are they half the passives?
And they need to rebalance to account for only 4 combinations, which gives less control to players
So it's not just pure upsides, but I'm all for it if the implementation is good enough
@@rosco3 I'm sure they'll figure it out :D The implication is good in nature so we can only hope that the subsequent effect of this change is also good in the overall scheme of things. TLDR; dw, it's GGG, they got this ;)
I just have to give it to Chris on this one, he was incredibly transparent, the most transparent and honest I've ever seen a game developer/designer be. Being open to discussing new developments in the next league before the marketing has went out is great (when necessary), of course he didn't want to spoil everything, but discussing the flask changes and whatever else is great.
Honestly more of this kind of thing happening would be a godsend, not having a prepared list and having a discussion with a more informal/personal tone where it's Chris talking, not PR, is great as it lets us get an idea on what he *actually* thinks. Being able to say that certain things were failures is a good step, of course time will tell whether lessons are learned.
wrong he has to be or the community gets him fired. GGG right now is likely trying to undo everything since they lost a lot players and even some shareholders have posted they are clearly doing it wrong if a majority leave.
@@LadyVixenGames Fired? It's his game u goon
@@LadyVixenGames Conspiracy andy
@@LadyVixenGames Shareholders have posted? Are you an idiot? The only shareholders are Chris, Jonathan, Erik and Tencent. Shut the fuck up if you don't know shit.
I have to give Chris huge props for this. He went in, knowing he was getting bent over with questions, and still plowed through it. What an absolute stand-out guy. Huge kudos to the studio for dealing with this and taking the L in strides. This is why I play POE.
He had no choice
@@Jfernandez83 Ofc he had. He could have hired some pr people to do the job for him
cause chris is a chad, and poe is his dream game. thats why
@@Rustygiz if he did the pr people would tell him that it would ruin his image. He is somewhat forever locked in this position of face to face communication with the community, not that it's a bad thing.
@@Jfernandez83 There is always a choice. Chris could have just as easily said, "No." But he didn't. And he didn't say "No" all while knowing it could be uncomfortable, could have adverse consequences, could cause friction within his company and within the player base. Saying he had no choice is just naïve. Not recognizing the choice he made to do this episode is just ignorance.
Huge congratulations to everyone involved in putting this episode together. You all did such a wonderful job despite so many people anticipating otherwise. Some really cool solutions presented to problems the game is currently facing. Chris and GGG's willingness to get in front of the message and talk directly to the players and creators in the community is admirable.
Great interview guys. Hats off to the questions that were asked even when the person asking them might not have necessarily felt that way. Really great job!
I absolutely loved Chris going on an 'accounting in New Zealand' rant :D
I was just there going "But I Do have an accounting degree" XD
Get rolled, reddit
Was hilarious to see all the streamers just completely zone out :D
@@SaigenSyndrome Yeah. Though Chris did explain it quite well, it still seemed like most of them were like "Wake me up when he speaks our language again" :D
4 zones in the atlas instead of 8 is gonna feel so good, specially for a slower player like me, I haven't even got all 32 stones yet
yeah even for me who plays like 6-8 hours a day it's a chore
Ive played plenty (for someone who works full time anyway) and i've only just done the first sirus fight. Although i have 5 characters around lvl 85-90 so that might be the bigger issue.. :D
That's the thing that got me hyped the most in whole video ngl, I hate farming all conquerors/stones each league, playing only a couple of hours a day casually turns that process in one entire month just dedicated to unlock the atlas
same here
Actually I have NEVER gotten 32 Watchstones period. (Outside of buying them for a challenge after maven came out.)
RaizQT was amazing, becoming the voice of the "average player". I couldn't have been more pleasantly surprised.
100% I don't understand how he gets so much hate. The dude does not take Chris's shit and thank him for it.
100% agreed this guy is just being honest and calling out Chris when he just goes to bs mode and start spewing nonsense to cover themselves.
The only part of the podcast i just couldnt understand is chris' stance on deterministic drops from bosses / chase items. How is it more fun for a rhoa to drop a super rare armor piece than the boss thats actually wearing it? How can we chase for chase items if there are fewer and fewer places to chase said item? Nobody wants to play 200+maps with the goal in mind to get a brass dome for example
Ye it's called a chase item for a reason ... U have to be able to chase it ... It shouldn't just be a random drop that drops everywhere ... There should be 1 2 maybe 3 big places to farm it at worst and it should be target farmable in those places
Because there is a disparity between the definition of a chase item. Ideally, a chase item is one of ridiculous power that can be seen as a target goal over very long play - HH, Hateforge, Repl. Shako, etc. But to many others, a chase item is a target-farmable drop that serves to be a hefty upgrade - Starforge (haha sike), Atziri's Disfavour (haha sike x2), Soul Ripper, etc.
In my opinion, the latter should be the main dish of Path of Exile. That style of loot pooling where you target-farm that item you so desperately want is what made Borderlands 2 so extremely successful, and is why Borderlands 3 initially flopped until they later made the shift back to the BL2 style of loot. It hones your focus and gives you a linear goal, and linear doesn't always mean easy. That's what I think.
Further, I think there should be a bunch of chase items as well, as long as they remain absurdly, *exceedingly* rare to drop. When you have a bunch of leagues or characters where you perform badly or as dissatisfied with your own performance, it's great to have the game say "here man, have some fun for a chance."
@@Chaooo Target farming is the essence thah PoE desparetly needs. Grim dawn was so fun but i find it hard to enjoy PoE anymore even with same playtimes.
It’s simple he likes trade league and he wants to have a reason to kill the rhoa. PoE has been a mapping game a lot longer than it’s been a bossing game. Bosses became big the last few leagues and Chris is on the mapping side. Personally I like maps as well. They are more zoomy and less one shot potential
@@DrD3V1 I'm really not sure if Chris is on the mapping side. He already said in the future that he LOVES bossing content, loved it back in D2 and wants more meaningful reasons to farm bosses.
Great work guys, amazing insights. Whether you agree with Chris' takes or not, big props to him for taking plus 3 hours to sit down and talk about the game to this level of depth. Not many companies/games go this far (just look at blizzard as an example)
Many years ago I rocked up to the ggg offices, played some magic with Chris, and talked game design, and recipes. After a couple of hours of chat, I was fully convinced that he can be trusted with my favourite game, and it’s growth. Hopefully this podcast and others can convince other people too.
Man as just a guy who plays the game, I *SUPER* appreciated Raiz going in like that. I totally understand the necessity of playing ball when you're a content creator and you don't want to lose something as rad as the fuckin' CEO coming onto your podcast for a 3 hour interview but, man. Hearing somebody actually ask hard questions and not pull punches was so refreshing.
Like don't get me wrong, you guys all did great and I enjoy all your takes, but whew lad hearing Raiz just lay it out there 👌
Thank you all. This was fantastic and reassuring.
I had no idea who you are before these podcasts, Tarke, but damn you did a commendable job in moderating this conversation! Great job to the streamers and hats off to Chris for taking a stand! Watching this podcast was exceptionally entertaining and informative for what might be coming! Very good content and thanks for doing this
That was great, I deeply enjoyed the conversation. I hope these meetings occur more frequently! Thank you guys and Mr. Chris Wilson to dedicate your time for us.
I haven't touched the game since ritual but I have to say I'm extremely grateful that this game has a well connected rapport with the devs and to have devs like them who communicate directly. Thanks for making it happen Tarke and the bois
I loved the podcast. You did a great job as a host (as did others) and if anyone accuses you of being a shill after this, well, I'd consider them quite delusional. Huge appreciation for you and other hosts!
Thanks for the podcast hosts and CW, I appreciate you taking the time.
Really appreciate what you have done with the questions going out of your way to represent the most popular game modes. Fantastic job guys. Baeclast is basically saving PoE. Raiz MVP!
Haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but I'm glad it's now uploaded so that I can
I liked every comment for Tarke engagement even though I don’t agree with all of them. Chris was great, but I think we still have to wait and see what happens in 3.16.
Great podcast.. Good questions and good answers... Happy to see RaizQT ask some very "in your face" questions and not holding back.. I am and will probably forever be a fan of GGG and PoE.. Love the game, love the current league and honestly i cant wait to have more fun and enjoy this game in the years to come... To Everyone at GGG and the cast of Baeclast, good job!
Excellent interview guys, thanks to you all and Chris for taking the time and effort to pull this off. Much appreciated.
3h30 of no holds barred interview, with tons of pressure from a massive nerds horde that would have said you guys screwed up no matter what: huge props to you guys.
Great Baeclast, but honestly kinda shocked at how the chat was treating Nugi specifically whenever he'd try to ask questions. Nugi is a hugely knowledgeable player, and if he has a question for Chris I wanna see it answered. I think Nugi is spot on about flasks and I think he was able to successfully explain to Chris his view, whether he gets it and or agrees we'll see.
Disagree
@@fucgoogle4559 same, but why
@@whydidyoutubeaddthis I agreed with what Nugi said about flasks, I just can't stand listening to him. Reminds me of a college student always trying to sound intelligent instead of just getting to the point.
First time on twitch? Big amounts of people always equal booing and spaming pepegas
@@marcinchreptowicz6843 Nope been on Twitch a very long time. Yes, chat in general has some toxic crap, but this was different.
I really want to express my personal gratitude to Chris Wilson for doing this. Just like my job, just like my friends, just like any other video game there were parts I loved and parts I didn't love so much, but it was the willingness to communicate about it all that really means the world to someone like me that doesn't have much to look forward to in life outside of the games I enjoy after work each day.
Much respect to the content creators for asking as many questions as they could with the time constraints and multiple directions that the conversations went.
I'll be there for 3.16 and beyond.
I really enjoyed this awsome podcast. You guys did an excellent job in question selection so thx to everyone working on it!
I really appreciate that Chris did say so much about future content despite marketing effects.
@Tarke Cat I think you did incredibe good job in hosting/managing the podcast
Sorry to see the issues that have occurred after this (and even preceding) for the Bae-cast but do appreciate the depth and breadth of the interview and putting yourselves in the firing line.
The flask changes are fine. I love that I literally only need to hit 2-3 flasks MAX when I'm doing stuff, when they are needed.
I love this shit, I love this cast team hearing your discussions and a big thank you to you guys doing this, especially Chris I really appreciate this time/insight. Thank you
Chris always makes me excited for what's to come and glad to be a part of this community. Great job with the interview everyone and great questions!
Was listening to it live, I gotta say possibly best Baeclast ever, good shit. Raiz went ape man, that's what I wanna see
Its not merely that, it comes from a good place and we should appreciate that first.
Raiz had balls going hard and I’m glad he did. He made sure the community was heard.
Great interview and huge appreciation to everyone for putting this together and agreeing to sit down to it. Lots of really cool insights, and I remain excited for more PoE in the future as I continue to play PoE now!
Awesome podcast, awesome responses from chris! Congratulations for everyone involved, you guys did an amazing job
thanks for interview, it's nice to see ggg/Chris reaching out to community to discuss state of things.
Watched someone restream on RUclips so I could pause and watch while at work. Hopefully it's something you look into doing so I can watch your feed next time. Great job with the interview.
I can't multistream to twitch and RUclips at the same time as a twitch partner.
It's not perfect, but you can watch the twitch vod while the twitch stream is still live. Usually like 1 hour after the stream starts, it will be available in the vod section so you can do this.
@@gorillagrip913 Thanks good to know with pauses for work calls I did get behind an hour for sure.
I'm a wow veteran no matter what, I wish we could have this kind of discussion with other devs. I love that that Chris seems to care a lot about how the interept the game, I don't love PoE but I play it from time to time. But I love the interaction from GGG no matter what please keep it up! :)
Wow players are like vegans, you will never have to wonder if they play wow. Dont worry they will tell you.. jk jk
thanks for taking the time to have this discussion/interview! All Six of you are awesome!
Huge respect for Chris, very informative and transparent podcast. A rare thing to see nowadays with big titles.
Incredible job today guys, really, to everyone involved.
Reminder to everyone: don't be a dick to Chris, GGG, or any of the content creators involved.
Let's go Blues!
Reminder to Jack Gorcyzca: I don't recall anyone appointing you Douche-In-Chief, so don't tell me who I can or can't "be a dick" to.
@@VideoHostSite lmao
@@VideoHostSite clown
Something helpful in helping GGG represent the build diversity they're seeing in their data would be expanding the PoE Ladder so that maybe users down to level 90 or 80 can be seen.
Perhaps it's a lot of data to manage on GGG's end but it would help separate the top-end of players and provide more representation of middlings players
This would be huge. I usually start to look at ninja to tinker my build pretty around yellow maps. But that means I'm chasing items that are on the same characters holding a headhunter
To 90 at most. Showing build that can't get to 90 doesn't really make sense since you can get to 85 at least with basically anything through sheer determination no matter how viable it is. Build diversity doesn't mean there's ten working builds and 100 builds that can't do anything.
@@Draugo "through sheer determination" and _time_
I'm sure I'm not the only player who likes playing the trade league because it's interesting and fun, but also works a 9-5 and only has a few hours to play on the weekends. I'm really very happy when I get a character to level 80 before a league ends! I, and many other players, just don't have a lot of free time to throw at the game. And that doesn't mean we're bad players, or that our opinions have no value, it just means we are forced to approach the mechanics differently than they seem to be intended. A lot of end-game atlas progression relies on a pretty heavy time investment; I've literally never gotten to shaper in a league because I don't have enough time over weekends to get that far before the 3 months run out. I think it would in fact be valuable to show, yes, level 90 characters, but also some sort of broad spectrum analysis of characters closer to 80, because there's many of us who just don't have the time to spend on leveling that far.
@@lollyblizowo4343 This is not meant as dissing your comment, but as someone whose been playing since closed beta I can say that the time component is heavily influenced by the build. With better builds getting to lvl 90 and decent way into maps takes maybe around 24 hours even if you're playing slow and in SSF. For a three month league there's plenty of time even if you're playing couple of hours during weekends. The experience when playing with a viable vs non viable build is like two different games.
I'm not against playing the way you want with the build you want, but when GGG is saying they're "increasing the build diversity" they are either lying or accounting for even randomly generated builds that won't work.
@@Draugo thank you for being so kind, and you're right of course; I do better when I'm following a build guide than when I'm dicking around trying to make flicker strike work on a 10c budget lol
But like. I'm the farthest I've ever gotten within a league right now, and I'm playing ziz's exploding srs because I'm used to how srs works, and I've still only barely dropped one tier 3 map. I haven't even run it yet because quite frankly I don't think I'd be able to beat the boss at this point. I haven't managed to get my hands on the last few pieces of gear I was supposed to have by this level, mostly because trade has been _wack_ this league and I can't seem to get anyone's attention. That's kind of been a good thing, honestly, cus it means I'm having to figure out div cards so I can try to get the items myself, but it's slowed me down even more than I usually am, and this is the furthest I've ever gotten. Part of it is my own inexperience, hands down. I have played since just before Breach, but when I started I was 100% piggybacking off a friend, and I took a break for about a year and a half after breach; I remember playing Delve when it released. Which means I only really have a couple years at most of playing the game ~for realsies~ and the consequence of that is that to a degree I still don't know that campaign all that well, simply because I haven't run it enough, and that just inflates my time problem even more.
Summoners are a fairly slow breed of build, and tend to need a couple specific items to really get going in the endgame, I know that, so my choice was probably poor and I probably should have stuck to, idk, maybe that seismic/exsanguinate trapper everyone's talking about. But I dont think that means the srs isn't viable, necessarily; it just takes more investment than I seem to be able to give. And I think it could help ggg to have this sort of thing on the ladder too, because by limiting themselves to such a high level of character they _only_ see the Most viable, Most played builds, and build diversity _is_ garbage right now, and they might actually finally stop nerfing the little skills if they saw that 'Oh look they work but they work slowly and require babying. Huh.'
Idk mate, I'll be completely honest with you the best build i ever made was a bleed cyclone back in Legion, and, more than anything, I'm dissapointed about the nerfs to defence that made that kind of build Very Stupid, Very Rippy. Like I know, I'm sure I could get to endgame if I watched a few videos and picked up a pob for sst. I don't really want to though. That feels like giving up. Learn the skill ggg wants you to play, and play as intended. But I like srs, and I like cyclone, and I'm not kidding about the flicker strike I've never quite gotten off the ground. And in the end I'm not too upset that I can't ever seem to get to proper endgame, because I can mostly only blame myself. On the game's side it all comes down to the depressing lack of build diversity, there Just Aren't enough skills that work well enough to make it to endgame. And on mine it's a time thing. Maybe one of these days when I finally get that degree I've been making googly eyes at, I'll get a job that let's me have real weekends instead of just Sunday. My experiences are not even close to universal, and I know that, but I still like. Want to feel heard. Idk this turned into a mini-rant somewhere, I shouldn't be writing youtube comment essays before I've had coffee in the morning, Clearly. Thank you for responding to my original comment, I really appreciate getting a chance to see where you're coming from and actually discuss the situation as it's happening, it's nice to talk to someone who's been playing for so long and really knows how the system works.
Thank you Bae team and Chris for doing this....only good things can come from keeping GGG in the loop and interacting and understanding the whole player base as much as possible.
This was a really interesting interview, some solid questions, quite informative, and entertaining. Thanks for this to Baeclast, and to GGG. Let's be honest, how many companies at the end of the day do something like this lets be real here. Well done.
This level of community involvement from the POE team and CEO is precisely why I love this game.
Also with the icon dropping better item monsters, it has issues with stuff like legion. I rarely play super fast builds, so rather than trying to tag as many monsters as possible in a legion (which is how I think it should be), I instead run around looking for the specific monsters with symbols about them, because that is just better drops overall.
Super Impressive conversation. You guys seemed well prepared and that made for an excellent discussion. I admire how well Chris did responding to questions on the fly, in no way is that easy to do at that level.
Thanks for doing the interview. I think HARD MODE (Masochism mode) was an excellent idea that sounds like a hell lot of fun. I'm eagerly looking forward to it. Peace!
What an amazing Podcast, u guys did an amazing job, and a huge thank you to chris as well for doing what he did, its not easy as a lead developer to just come out and face the "wolfes", amazing job, and again a big thank to you to Chris Wilson and a huge thank u to all u guys for delivering such a great podcast.
All the conversations about poe's problems aside, I just love when Chris is talking about masochist mode, he's talking about it more like a friend who is trying to hook you into a game rather than some businessman trying to market you a product
You guys were amazing with your questions. I did not expect that. I could have never done that better. Very, very solid and my respect for that talk.
i'm glad some actaul confrontational but respecful questions were asked and not just yes manned through the topics. gj guys.
I think you guys did a great job. There's no other podcast I'd sit and listen to for 3.5 hours. This kept my interest the entire time. Ignore any negativity that came from this, those people aren't worth listening to in the first place.
The thing I was most interested in hearing was the defensive options to ailments since currently, like Chris said, it is mostly mitigated by flasks. Nice to hear that they are discussing on adding more options in the tree, jewels, skills, etc. in order to combat this.
MAGNIFICENT! Thank you Chris Wilson, big admiration here, thank you all for that Baeclast. Keep going PoE!!!
Sitting here in 2023, a few days of Exilecon with tons of PoE2 news incoming, watching this. This is why we, I, love this company, these people, the game. Almost have a small little tear in the corner of the eye. This game will NEVER go away.
GG Chris and all of GGG!
Insisting right now that the only correct name for hard mode is "Ethical Mode."
I second this xD
only if it's written EtHiCaL MoDe so people know that's sarcasm and not a comment on them as people for playing normal softcore trade.
@@michaellopate4969 ethical poe is sarcasm in itself. I think it's enough.
01:19:00 cycling maps in and out like zana mods, i really like that idea.
I am glad this was able to happen, very enlightening.
Great source of insight on the path of GGG ;) it was needed. very usefull to me. thanks a lot guys .
Honestly, I came in with a complete negative mindset but was left with a smile on my face. It's great that the streamers were sharp and asked potent questions. More importantly, it takes heart for Chris to recognize the current state of the game and this podcast was sorely needed. Some of the burning questions relating to vision, difficulty, speed, and game mechanics were answered. While others, can only be answered as the new leagues roll.
Regardless, Path of Exile is definitely a black-hole that sucks in the appreciation and the disgust of players due to its innovative ARPG mechanics. I am glad that you guys care enough to identify the faults and fix them and that's a great thing and puts you above many other game developers.
Cheers! Hoping to see a game that is loved by everyone in the near future.
“Hard Mode” sounds amazing!
Great job with the interview and Chris did a fantastic job answering everything he could.
I think you guys really delivered and asked tough questions and really helped highlighting some of the core problems PoE faces right now.
If this is something that is to occur regulary, I'll always enjoy every second of it. Also I think it really helps the community getting an insight of the way GGG acts and "thinks", especially with future developement in mind or systems planned.
Chris is such a babe and incredibly sweet. Never see such caring and thoughtful CEOs anywhere in both the video game industry and outside of it.
For me a CHASE item is a "power" item something thats a huge improvement to my character usually in the 4-10 ex range ,something achieveable but really really desirable , replica furrals fur , a good watchers eye , bottled faith , something when I get, I get excited to equip and would have my heart POUND if it drops for me
Ok mate! GGG give a Atziri's disfavour to this guy. I agree 100% I would go a step further and say it would be nice to have some build defining uniques
They killed almost all chase items except headhunter (most broken thing in the game) and watcher's eye, but watcher's eye is a gambling simulator so it will stay for sure, we know Chris loves gambling. How a 1c common unique sword that drops in lvl 51 zone better than super rare sword that drops from end game boss with phases who to face you need to defeat his 4 guardians in T16 maps and combine their fragments. It's beyond idiotic.
@@Lubet0TheGreat you're really typing nonsense under every comment. Starforge is the only one that got hit too hard and even there, you're wrong saying terminus Est is strictly better. Terminus Est is great for entry level, cheap crit builds, but Starforge can be vastly superior AND also works with non crit builds. Items like voidforge or atziri's disfavour are no longer BiS, but they are still really strong. In case you don't know, even after the nerfs, lots of people on the ladder were using Atziri's disfavour instead of crafted rares because it costs much less, and is plenty enough to shit on the game.
It's pretty clear you're hating on the game and looking at it through a completely deforming lens. I agree on the topic of needing more chase uniques, but old chase uniques aren't irrelevant, they just aren't BiS anymore.
@@thesunryze4658 A chase item is literally that- An endgame item that is rare (rare being low drop chance), and is BIS. Being a viable and "decent" endgame item unique that drops often doesn't make it chase. If fact, that is why the old chase items aren't even "chase" items anymore. Quite the opposite really. They have become common uniques now. So in this case, that guy was right. There are basically only a few "chase" uniques left in the game. And that's not only due to nerfs to the chase uniques, but just from the power creep crafting and drop buffs as well. In your example. Atziri's disfavour is literally not a chase item.
@@darkevilazn Well according to your logic, if to be a chase item it had to be BiS, that means starforge and Atziri's disfavour have NEVER been chase items. I refered to them has being BiS in the past because it was the only realistic BiS item for "non mirror tier crafters" players, but Insane rares have always been better than those 2.
That alone makes your logic falls apart..
There's more nuance than that to the concept of chase items. Atziri's Disfavour was considered chase item because it was the strongest option for its cost range (by cost I mean either straight up currency cost, or time to farm it), same for Starforge.
Also you're completely missing another point : an Item being build enabler can make said item a chase item. In that case we're not talking about raw power. A good example would be Inpulsa when it used to be hard to drop. It was considered a chase item, and never have been BiS, it just enables a specific playstyle.
PS : Also, first comment was mainly motivated because he claimed Terminus Est is 100% better than Starforge, which is wrong. I've seen this dude in many comment sections recently and he keeps speaking complete lies and bullshit. Strangely, he seems to never answer to me when I call him out, this is why I answered in the first place. I'm ofc not against people sharing their thoughts but this guy has been amplifying every little annoying thing, or just making straight up lies because he has to find a reason to be as mad as he is.
Incredibly important episode and an amazing job from everyone
Thank you to the cast of Baeclast and Chris. This was necessary and a big step in the right direction.
Thank you Tarke for thinking of us South Africans :D
The transparency from GGG is one of the reasons I will always be a fan and avid player!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
MAGNA KEK
I apreciate that they are not just silent but want to communicating us their ways of Viewing things and so many things i hated but chris Wilson can explain his view point so clear and easy that i often thought" i dont like it, but i understand what they want to acomplish". Hope they never stop communicating in such a personal way
Thank you for making this video and posting it. I thoroughly enjoyed it! I love Chris and poe, this is a healthy and good discussion
This discussion is really good.
It shows what is the currently biggest problem with the game: the people with the greatest visibility in the community (the streamers) are too opinative!
The streamers are not game developers! They have no clue on how to create a balanced game that is not stagnant...
So interesting when discussing UI they want people to focus on playing the game not editing the screen but then i have to run 4 different tabs of trade, download loot filters and run 3rd party programs to have an enjoyable experience.
Man, I loved this. Most things make sense and I can't wait for brutal mode
Hats off to everyone involved. Amazing podcast all around. Turned out really well despite the toxic climate thats been surrounding PoE lately. This is a great example of a healthy discussion. Way to go for sure. Thanks.
Dear God the only buff I want right now is to Poe trade site. Id love it of I could message less than 20 people to trade for something.
It’s not the site, it’s the lack of people playing. Without major buffs in 3.16 you will see identical situation unfold next league as well.
@@ivchekal a buff to the site is somewhat of a figure of speech. there is plenty of what I want to trade for and people online, but not a single one of them will answer the trade request. That is what drives me nuts.
@@cnaisbitt5013 Yeah, I would say it is all related to economy which is destroyed due to lack of people. If someone is days away from quitting the league they likely won’t engage in trading as frequently, hence you get a situation where you ping 20 people without a reply.
Raizqt: Sounds like a challenge for reddit, sorry
Chris: Oh no, please no
I seldom leave my commentaries in any type of videos, wether I feel positive or negative towards the discussed topics.
But this time, I feel like I have to.
Thank you guys for this thourough and transparent interview.
You guys did you best, I have no doubts, and you went further and beyond to ask questions about topics that do not interfere with your own PoE experience, for the greater good of the community (even if a major part of the community shits on you personally and the game in general).
Chris was a beast, and my respect for him and GGG as an organisation grew even more.
I'm not enjoying this league AS MUCH as I enjoyed some previous ones, but I still login and play, because let's face it, there's really no competition for PoE atm, and it doesn't give me the right to slander everyone that enjoys and defends the game. It's how I was raised, respect is paramount.
It's refreshing to see such a candid posture by Chris, admiting errors (that we ALL make), taking notes and promising discussions with the dev team regarding many issues present in the game.
All in all, it was quite refreshing, and well done to everyone involved!
Thank you Tarke, Octavian, Nugi, Raiz and Ziggy. Thank you GGG and in particular Chris.
Hoping for a better future, both in-game and outside of it.
Keep going strong, the silent supporters are still here, even if we don't make our voices hear as much as the vocal critics.
EDIT: If everyone was so critic with themselves like they are towards others, the world would be a much better place
one most important thing required.... since GGG doesn't like players killling mobs outside of their screens, i hope they made it the mobs doesnt kill us off screen as well
I, personally, REALLY want hard mode. That is the change I need for this game to be interesting. I want hard mode BAD.
I want hard mode, but not for me. I want hard mode so that the main game doesnt become hard mode.
@@ShardtheWolf BROOO I honestly think that would be a great idea. I love doing the sweaty, hardcore leagues that you die over and over and its more pain than fun BUT some days I just want to turn my brain off and go "Haha Mara go brrrr!!"
"we want monster to have a chance to attack/players to not off screen monster"
and we get literally one shot by expedition monster/influenced monster from another screen among with nerf to flask, damage, mobility, gem, defences all at once! And on top of that get perma cursed on maps with curse mods, oh and slap in monster immunity to damage/block chance and petrification!
We know your good intentions, but the execution is worrysome. Thanks Baeclast and Chris for the show
Tujen archers fuckin me up
@@dinho178 lmao so true
"We want loot drop from monsters to be better than craft"
Me waiting my tailwind elusive onslaught boots to drop from a random rare mob.
Thank you Baeclast and Chris Wilson for making this happen; this is the kind of discourse gaming communities should be having. This is leadership. This is the kind of communication that keeps games alive and thriving, now and in the future. Chris disclosed a LOT of information in this that no regular company would. The transparency is really great to see, and really is appreciated. Thank you all for your time and energy.
edit: I wanted to mention: typical companies have god awful PR, and literally do not communicate ANYTHING at all, or just defend their philosophies and are literally working against their playerbases (WoW, I come from there, I get it), whereas here we have a coming together of content creators and the literal big boy of a company talking about the game, and certain things about company policy, workflow, and even some financial data.
I ask you, fellow PoE'ers: what other company does what they just did today?
Regardless if you agree with the direction the game is headed in, Chris deserves some serious recognition for what he does in this interview. I have never seen an active developer of a game go out of their way this much to ensure that there is clear communication with the community of their game. Meeting all of the current chaos and outrage head on and addressing it directly is not only admirable but also takes some serious fortitude. The same goes for the Baeclast cast, being the ones that have to try and do a well enough job of interviewing to satiate the entire community is not easy and should be recognized. You guys did a great job, nice work.
I think Chris needs to do another of these but with Softcore guys like Grimro, Ghazzy, Tuna etc
I can relate more to someone playing hardcore trade than I can to people that always get a headhunter after the first week
@@Max.Volume Yes but the vast majority of gamers are softcore players...
@@rico4974 Yea, including me. I'm saying that the concerns of the top percentage of players aren't going to be more representative.
I know that Chris said that disclosing the details coming in 3.16 would take away a lot of the hype that they can build up during the marketing run. It's honestly had the opposite effect for me and I'm super hyped for the next league!!
This was awesome. Thank you Chris and Cast for it.
Thank you Tarke so much for bringing up the South African local gateway situation; even though large MS-Azure and AWS data centres having been setup locally over year or two ago, we still seem to run under the radar when it comes to region support for many games. Too many hardcore characters have been lost due to high latencies.
mad props to everyone on this excellent discussion. im especially impressed with chris and the GGG team. i cant remember a single game that has lasted this long and communicated this well consistently
"chase items" are supposed to have a place where you can farm them, thats why its "chase" and not "flail about until you get it".
Yea seems he basically wants it where you make a build around the one you drop and can't target farm any :/
It's a chase item, because you can see it out there and "chase" towards after it.
If the chase is just farming enough to be able to liquidate stuff and then buy that chase item, where was the chase?
@@DayOfCasual I think the only way we can have that in practice is for soulbound items. Let's just take the example of somebody who just found a chase item; what are you going to do WITH that chase item? It seems natural that you would want to get another copy so you can sell it, because it's a chase item- thus valuable. This ends up with the chase items naturally becoming more common, and with the increase in supply, the price drops to the point where it's more efficient to buy the item than to farm it.
I'm not exactly advocating for soulbound items (I would need to really think through it more); I'm just pointing out the difficulty in having items that are both chase and tradeable.
@@xrexii7538 I have chased HH and mirror for 3000+ hours and still didn't see them drop naturally. Is it considered enough or i should chase them even more? Since these 2 items aren't tied to a certain boss or league mechanic.
AMAZING job interviewing chris guys! Thanks for asking the uncomfortable and hard to ask questions!
I always get reminded why I've been hooked since closed ALPHA whenever CW and his co-workers explain their future plans for POE and what their ambitions are. Thank you CW and thank you Baeclast!