I hope you ballers enjoyed this episode as much as I did! EDIT Sorry about the 360p its something weird with RUclips I waited 11 hours, and uploaded the vid multiple times but it just refused to finish HD processing.
This is like the most wholesome thing to come out of the POE community in a while!!! Thanks for getting him on, super insightful stuff and like you said im sure Chris will be very happy to hear some parts
My previous favorite Baeclast was #32 when we first got a long interview with Jonathan. This is now the best episode, and probably something for everyone in there too.
What a blast listening to Preach share his views and comments about PoE. Every point felt straight and clear, every rant was meaningful and justified. Such a breeze of fresh air in an echo-chambery community we are by nature. It is so difficult to dive into the depths that this game provides, but to see someone do it completely blind and communicating his unaltered first playthrough experience was something so refreshing. Literally every 5 minutes of the podcast i was bringing an image of Chris WIlson smiling uncontrolably behind his laptop screen; it was beautiful.
Nah. I get what you mean but the rants were in no way justified. Preach litearlly doesnt read any of the in game dialogue and then he complains that nothing is explained, i dont get this, this doesnt make sense, blah blah blah blah.
@@flamemano Well, the justification was that the pacing of the dialogue and storytelling through the NPCs was slow and unmotivating, comparing to the fast paced hack-n-slashy gameplay, and thus was skipped and ignored. In justified I don't mean right or absolute, I mean well percepted and explained.
@@stokos123 well that's not exactly what justified means. Regardless, this game has very rich lore; Him asking for ggg to dial some of that back just because he cant be fucked is about as stupid as everything else he said. Another thing is that is also not correct factually. Sure there was some information in the dialogue he was skipping, but a lot of things he didn't know just because he is being kind of a derp. For example, he's a berzerker. If he took even half a second to READ what the things on his class tree does he would know exactly what rage does; He didn't , so he doesn't. He ignored the pop up on the beach and as a result had no idea what support gems were for a while. ITs just pure fucking stupidity. Don't even get me started on all of the nonsense about MORE INFORMATION, only to complain about too much information not even like 5 minutes later> This is literally the exact same kind of nonsense nugi was talking about on the chris wilson baeclast that that lead to chris giving (in my opinion) the most iconic and telling line of that whole interview and this drama as a whole. "so if we drop something, you're upset that we dropped something; but if we drop nothing, you're upset that we dropped nothing"
@@flamemano I believe the literal meaning of justification is to give grounds for, to explain why; something doesn't have to be objective to be justified, especially when that is a subjective opinion. I'm just saying I really enjoyed his views through a prism of a veteran gamer that gets how things should feel and can express his opinions well with words. You almost seem like "trying" to be mad with another player's playthrough, just because he didn't align with what you "feel" like the intuitive way of his experience should be. I'm sure that if you open your scope of criticism a little you will see that this is a subjective thing to comment on. Take it for what it is. You seem really passionate about it, but come across as biased, with all love and respect :)
@@stokos123 Well you're literally wrong because justify means to show or prove to be right or reasonable ; to give a good reason for something. Its not about being objective per se, its about being logical AT LEAST. That aside, you clearly are unable to read. At no point did i suggest that anything "should be" anything. Not knowing about support gems for like 2 hours because you didn't pay attention to the tutorial is stupid; Not knowing what rage does because you cant be bothered to read your class is also stupid. To do these things and then cite a lack of information as your excuse is monumentally stupid. To THEN turn around 5 minutes later and say that there is too much information is just like......the pinnacle of irrationality. This has nothing to do with anyone's opinion; He ignored information that was literally in front of his face. Not a single thing he said in like the first hour in terms of information was even the slightest bit cohesive or logical; Thus not justified
Man, Preach on baeclast is like a dream come true. Must be great for you too, being a long time supporter! Glad to see him on here. His experience and decision to go in blind was extremely interesting to see and especially valuable in seeing how an experienced but new player might approach the game without researching anything
im not, becuase he was wrong about almsot everything he said. Ive been watching his playthrough and he has a really REALLY bad habit of not reading. For him to then come on this podcast and rant about how nothing is explained blah blah blah. Its really really stupid.
@@flamemano that's the point he's fairly reflective of an experienced gamer having very common new player experience good and bad. He gives a perspective to a large audience that's similar to an dude who's played games since he was a kid that's getting into arpgs for the first time. PoE is the biggest arpg in the world by miles im now half way through the episode and his insight being completely segregated from the community is some of the most valuable feedback GGG can get. If there was an easier way to get more unadulterated feedback from players who haven't had their opinion molded by a larger community. This kind of feedback is extremely valuable for any dev that wants to keep improving their new player experience to keep their game growing well into the future. Unbiased feedback in the current community climate is good.
@@loopygordo You seem to have missed the point entirely though. some of his feedback is useful sure, but a large part of it is just him being kind of an idiot. How is ggg going to learn from that exactly?
@@flamemano A lot of things like dont explain everything through text for starters, that would help. Introduce more things step by step and not like it is currently when you hit maps and get introduced to 15 new mechanics (old leagues mostly), reduction of that would help etc.
This was easily the best PoE podcast to date. Getting an outside perspective from a very experienced, professional gamer was such a breath of fresh air. I hope Chris watches this.
Please invite him back for all Baeclasts for the immediate future. I'd love to hear his updates from podcast to podcast and what he thinks when he sees his first new patch notes. This is fascinating.
really hope the core dev team at GGG sit down together and watch it and take notes. there are so many brilliant points made by Preach without knowing all the recent drama anf topics... for example the part about defenses and how the game is fundamentally designed to tank instead of dodge mechanically. all in all one of the best episodes of baeclast, thanks a lot to all you guys!
It's so nice for gaming that Preach is no longer covering WoW and is actually looking at other games. I feel that Preach has a Totalbiscuit-ish-feel to him where he can really cover gaming and call things out that are bad in a fair way.
Yeah definitely. I think the only real difference is that TB was also a pretty smart man and brought some interesting perspectives to things that most people missed. Preach isn't nearly as smart but he's got the willingness to just give things a try, and to just keep on going. He's got dedication to the tasks he sets himself.
This is so amazing! It feels weird to say but I feel like I learned more about the game in this episode than in all the interviews with Chris. Preach, you have no idea how great the is was for the community, especially given the timing
One of the best episodes yet. Preach really seems like the "ideal audience" for this game, getting by with just general game knowledge and the willingness to experiment and learn the mechanics on his own.
Would have been nice to have a voice like Preachs, or someone else very new to the game, for the Chris Wilson podcasts. Not that he is like the "casual" player we picture, but a fresh perspective that isn't so hung up on how things used to be. A nice reminder that this game is still awesome, and has the same magic that hooked me 8 leagues ago.
Man I really hope Preach sticks around. It refreshing as fuck and so enjoyable to watch someone with limited expectations really enjoy themselves in Poe. Reminds me of when I first started playing and reminds me of why I love this game
Amazing podcast, it's been so interesting to watch him play and hear his thoughts. This is the content I love. Also, raiz is a gem. I loved his probing questions to see how Preach really feels about some mechanics
This is a tremendous podcast, I don't know why I haven't seen it before, now I'm a fan. Preach starting poe is one of the most entertaining things, it reminds me of when I started and everything was simpler. Good job, hope to see more
"Do you feel armor has done a lot for you?" "Ha! I don't know!" PoE in a nutshell. Edit: jokes aside, this is a really refreshing take on everything that has to change in PoE. Yeah it's obtuse and complicated and that's part of the charm but it shouldn't be to the point of being straight up counter-intuitive. Hearing Preach describe how he *thinks* armor works while Raiz has the biggest banana-grin just underlines how bad it is.
Lab was fun for many people when it was introduced. And yes I remember crowds whining about traps and how hard it is to get to uber. I enjoyed the lab and I enjoy it even today, but only in small doses :)
@@TheSauronchik I've played PoE since 2012, and the lab has never been fun for me personally, BUT I can understand the appeal for sure. And I love the fact that it's "mini-hardcore" mode (except in the first years I played actual hardcore, so I didn't need that). I started enjoying it more after the awesome recent improvements, and after they fixed the stupid trials. And of course, the enchantment improvements.
This was the only Baeclast I've gone through entirely os far. Probably because I myself am a WoW veteran and PoE noob, so I could really relate to a lot of what Preach was talking about. Love the content, cheers for sharing!
I really like this podcast for the reason that all the talk about PoE is purely in the design sense. When you talk about specific things, because of keeping it spoiler-free for him, you really cut straight to the reasoning without having to deal with the baggage that the community has placed on that specific thing. This might be my favorite Baeclast yet. Preach's view on things is so valuable.
I never played WoW, so I wasn't familiar with Preach until earlier this week. That being said, this was easily one of my favorite episodes ever. He's able to speak on general ideas and ask questions that you guys would never even think to discuss, and then because you guys are trying so hard not to spoil stuff you are taking a different approach in your talking points. Great stuff. Huge Baeclast fan and now a huge Preach fan as well.
Kinda refreshing to hear a new player with no entitlement, who understands that by default he should fail until he invests the proper amount of time to learn and gear up. I think a lot of people get too comfortable with the game and come to resent anything new that challenges them to spend more than a few minutes learning.
People also have to understand that he is a streamer and can spend 10 hours a day playing. And he is also a good gamer from his past in games, and is probably better than 90% of the people who will ever try PoE.
I just love the fact that lab was his favorite part of the game. All those people b**** and moan about it and this completely new person comes in and loves it
This was so great to watch. I started watching this at 3am with the intention to pause it after a few minutes and watch the rest tomorrow. Well it's 6am now.
Love this guy. His perspective of being a high level RPG player but not having the bias of being a veteran Exile is so refreshing. Preach should be a Baeclast mainstay
I'm only a few minutes in but I really want to say how much I appreciate the way Preach is approaching the game. There is so much value in learning something through experimentation and logical deduction - specifically in games which are (hopefully) designed to allow that process to succeed. In the case of PoE I myself would probably get very frustrated these days. Looking forward to watching the rest of the podcast when I get the time!
Amazing how a new player's story puts the whole game into perspective, for me into a perspective how awesome and unique this game is. I'm still a happy PoE player after 8k+ hours. This podcast took any doubts I might have had away.
Absolutely loved this podcast. Preach brings a lot of great experiences and knowledge into the Path of exile sphere. Excellent questions and humor throughout the show as well, Stellar effort by everyone. I hope to see more from Preach in the future about Path of Exile.
This vicarious experience of following along with Preach's first steps into POE is the best content I've seen in ages. It wonderfully articulates POE's intricacy and reminds me of the first few leagues I played. I'm sure his feedback is immensely valuable to devs for marketing to new players. Really hope he sticks with it long enough to face off against the Shaper. I'm sure that might mean a reroll or two though. I feel like a parent watching a baby taking its first steps.
Man, this conversation became so interesting when you told Preach about the current state of the community and he started getting really curious about everything. Such a good podcast, even for someone like me who has been away from POE for quite a while.
Only 1 hour in, and this is the best baeclast episode ever. Those farm to table fresh hot takes from Preach were just making my face numb with how juicy it was. Those takes we've seen 1 million times, but the organic freshness of it made it all the better. It's also delivered by someone who's very articulate. Damn it's good.
That small bit about armour absolutely killed me. It took me about 2 years to figure out how armour worked. A year and a half to figure out it wasn't what I assumed and another 6 months to actually find an explanation that made sense.
This is a BIG lesson in perspective. A friend of mine also recently quit WoW and started playin PoE and we agreed for him to also go in blind without my help until he reaches maps and really needs some help on how to progress further. He played a Cyclone Slayer and it took him around 50 hours to reach maps, because he just didnt know you have to hold Cyclone,s o he always tapped it, jumped in and out of packs with leap slam and used Heralds of Purity Minions to help him with tanking and he didnt see anything wrong with that, because THATS how he thought the game is supposed to play early on and the whole speed clearing and stuff comes in the end game. So despite all that he still had a lot of fun and who's to say that his way of playing is wrong if he has fun palying the game?
This was so rejuvenating and incredible. Finally a voice i feel like that is not represented at all or lost amongst the memeing. The fact that he had sad soo many things baeclast hosts tend to say and what Chris thinks should be just gives for some reason so much validity for those. I dont know why. This Preach fella had some serious preach in him. I fking loved this episode. It was so different. Baeclast 2.0? :O
That was a fantastic podcast. Really very interesting to get the perspective of someone going into PoE blind. Brings me back to when I first played the game way back in the day, but it was a lot different then too.
Really awesome to hear Preaches impressions as a player who never played most ARPGs before (Mainly D2) and having a very fresh perspective as a hardcore gamer from another genre.
I just could NOT stop grinning through this entire segment. Preach is showing those who have both been there, are there, and those who have either no idea or have forgotten just how FUN a pure, fresh take on content without a filter is. The grins from me are not smug, they are the joy of someone familiar with the content, and getting to live it again, mistakes, learning and all. Huge cheers!
2:02:19 preach is very right about this, and this IS a purely QoL change they could and should implement without the game changing - when you (first) buy a currency tab, it should offer to move all your existing currency into it, and have affinity turned on by default. (Same with the other special tabs.)
Preach single handedly accomplishing what forums and Reddit have attempted to accomplish with feedback in a single blind playthrough challenge. God bless you Preach! Glad you gave the game a go!
I think Preach really hits the nail on the head with a lot of his comments. He doesnt care about zooming through the map, he's there for the challenging gameplay and the boss killing. I personally think Boss Mechanics need to be completely overhauled, with a lot more focus on mechanically challenging players and draining their flasks/resources, rather than a box checked for "do you have more than 5k life" and "do you do more than 1 million shaper dps" I'd personally really enjoy boss fights that take longer than 30 seconds, so that would give them a reason to relook at flasks again with the intention of finding a middle ground of power between mapping, and longer boss fights. It would be like bringing a healer with you to a raid boss.
That's the expedition bosses. They are probably the most well made new bosses we have gotten in the last 4years. Deffintly up there with uberElder and uberAtziri. They even have mechanics that interact with the environment they are in. Which is fantastic and a clear magnitude of betterment of GGG boss design, I hope we get more of that from now on. Too bad the expedition uniques are all dead on arrival.
"I could have dodged this, I could have done that... That's the stuff I love..." THIS. The random one-shots and clarity currently existing in POE is way too low. Coming from someone with a modest 4500 hours on primarily HC, that's exactly what I crave AND what I miss. "Why don't the fights reset when you die?!" DUDE AGAIN WITH THE TRUTH. PREACH, KEEP PREACHING.
I really want preach to release a video of things he learns when he finally looks things up just because I think it would be fun and eye opening on things that are overlooked.
I've been subbed to Preach for several years now, and I've been watching bits of his journey, so I knew this would be a good episode, but it was so much better than I anticipated. Great questions and great discussion! I loved hearing Preach's views as a new player to PoE but a veteran to RPGs. Fantastic job by everyone, but I really loved how giddy Raiz was the whole time.
Watched all the way through. Super interesting hearing Preach's perspective and you guys constantly trying to talk around points to not spoil anything was hilarious :D. Thanks for the content!
Man I'm glad to see Preach trying Poe out and managed to be on the show. I've been following him for years. He's a trip. The show made my day. Thanks guys.
It was so refreshing to see Preach playing and to be honest, it brought me back into days when I started to play POE and after 1500h ,I tink poe is not perfect but its dem good game if u like this kind of games
As a hardcore gamer who has only been playing PoE for a few months it was great listening to Preach because that's 100% how it feels and I think people have forgotten how rough it is to be new. Hmm this goes in the map thingy I wonder what it does... whee.... *dies*
Longtime viewer of Preach here, never been to your channel or have it recommended to me before, a couple highlights from Preach's PoE stream of the first day made me start playing the game also, I did "try" back when it released but hated the UI and stuff so never gave it a shot until a couple weeks ago, it's fun but very challenging, I'm currently in Act6. The podcast was quite entertaining to watch :) Cheers
I spent 50 hours on my first play through of the acts listening to story and getting all of the dialogue. I can’t tell you anything about the story. I agree with Preach in having a more engaging story should help the new player experience.
I always like Baeclast, but usually I listen to it while doing something else. This episode, after 10 minutes, I sat glued to the screen and paid attention to every second. This was excellent!
Please interview AvoidingthePuddle/Aris! He started PoE about a league or two ago so he’s still a relatively new player. This league he progressed pretty far into endgame and I think his perspective on the current state of PoE would be super interesting. Also he plays exclusively on CONSOLE.
Alright guys, this was such an awesome podcast! What a pleasure to hear Preach articulate thoughts on the game from a new-player perspective. Big hats off to you for managing not to spoil anything for him, that had to be so difficult. I want to see next episode, when Preach get to higher tiers of PoE content, how it will feel for him moving forward! In the meantime, I have a new streamer to watch on Twitch/RUclips! I think this was the coolest Baeclast so far. Episodes with GGG people are great fun to watch, but this one was truly special! Thanks again, what a great 3 hours :)
Very cool and insightful episode! The fresh perspective of Preach and the descriptions of his experiences must be worth pure gold for GGG and many, many longtime players, to get some new impulses for themselves.
This discussion was fantastic. I literally watched it start to finish with only a tiny break around 2 hours in to get a drink. It was so refreshing. I was legitimately sad when it ended; wtb more preach baeclast.
Everything Preach said was 100% on. He addressed major issues in the game, without even knowing they were issues. The whole cast was smiling as he was telling his damn stories because he had no clue. I was straight up laughing at times because of it lol.
One of the best Baeclasts I have seen yet. I didn't know about Preach up until now, but I can tell that he will be an excellent content creator for Path should he choose to stick around. Here's hoping to him making an appearance on Baeclast again!
Yea that is strange. It feels so bad to wear down a boss by respawning. I think the whole area should reset so you also get loot and XP on the way back to the boss.
It for sure does a job of teaching people to just throw their face into stuff. In reality a new player should be taught that maybe they need to go farm more or upgrade their gear.
im inclined to agree (as a veteran) but there is a need that you can broodforce bosses down, because of the fact that changing your build if u lack damage or survivability is not as easy, more like impossible, when stuck. imagine having no damage for dominus or surivability for his presquads. you can maybe get some adjustments and levels here and there, but if you are mechanically not gifted or just not really prepared u are more likely to quit the game (because then it is a literal "cock block"). there needs to be a way for new players to not feel like you are just not good enough for the game. Hope you get the point
My first reaction when I heard the suggestion was apprehension as I am one of those who just buy the gems needed for progression, throw on my level 1 gear and mindlessly hurl bodies at the campaign until I can play the „real“ game. If the campaign bosses were actual adversaries leveling alts has the potential to be more interesting - or tedious. Not sure about that one.
eyyyyyyyyyyyy small crew but a loving baeclast! been taknig my break from the poe addiction finaly to go strong for some fun in the final month after i deal with some irl shit but lets goooooooooooooooooo PREACH! just gives me soooooooo much time to sit back and listen and enjoy this while i do nothing but rest for the day cheers
At around 26:20 when he talks about people being intimidated by crafting and wanting to trade instead I feel like it's only half true. It is more efficient to spend a set amount of currency for an item you know will be good vs gambling and hoping it will turn out that way. Additionally, as far as crafting through currency is concerned, where are they getting all these exalts to slam?
reminds me a lot of the time when i started 7.5 years ago. I picked a witch and used whatever dropped. Still was the most fun experience i've had. Took me 70 hours to reach lv70. After that i started looking up guides and basically learnt that i played the game absolutely wrong the whole time.
I came across Preach from Asmongold coverage on Blizzard's lawsuits. I quit blizzard games for different reasons and took a break from gaming then tried the PoE hype at the last year and now into my 3rd league. All i can say is i wished i came a long time ago, but as for Preach i started watching his videos about a week ago, and his unguided jump into PoE. I really like Mike and for everything he stands for, very big fan of him now. Welcome to PoE and i am sure you are gonna find a lot of new followers, dont change for anyone and goodluck Preach Gaming!!
I hope you ballers enjoyed this episode as much as I did! EDIT Sorry about the 360p its something weird with RUclips I waited 11 hours, and uploaded the vid multiple times but it just refused to finish HD processing.
Been a fan of you and preach for years, this collab was a godsend, great content!
When/if he stops playing please try and do another interview
This is like the most wholesome thing to come out of the POE community in a while!!! Thanks for getting him on, super insightful stuff and like you said im sure Chris will be very happy to hear some parts
My previous favorite Baeclast was #32 when we first got a long interview with Jonathan. This is now the best episode, and probably something for everyone in there too.
@@Tyrranid that's the plan.
What a blast listening to Preach share his views and comments about PoE. Every point felt straight and clear, every rant was meaningful and justified. Such a breeze of fresh air in an echo-chambery community we are by nature. It is so difficult to dive into the depths that this game provides, but to see someone do it completely blind and communicating his unaltered first playthrough experience was something so refreshing. Literally every 5 minutes of the podcast i was bringing an image of Chris WIlson smiling uncontrolably behind his laptop screen; it was beautiful.
Nah. I get what you mean but the rants were in no way justified. Preach litearlly doesnt read any of the in game dialogue and then he complains that nothing is explained, i dont get this, this doesnt make sense, blah blah blah blah.
@@flamemano Well, the justification was that the pacing of the dialogue and storytelling through the NPCs was slow and unmotivating, comparing to the fast paced hack-n-slashy gameplay, and thus was skipped and ignored. In justified I don't mean right or absolute, I mean well percepted and explained.
@@stokos123 well that's not exactly what justified means.
Regardless, this game has very rich lore; Him asking for ggg to dial some of that back just because he cant be fucked is about as stupid as everything else he said.
Another thing is that is also not correct factually. Sure there was some information in the dialogue he was skipping, but a lot of things he didn't know just because he is being kind of a derp.
For example, he's a berzerker. If he took even half a second to READ what the things on his class tree does he would know exactly what rage does; He didn't , so he doesn't. He ignored the pop up on the beach and as a result had no idea what support gems were for a while. ITs just pure fucking stupidity.
Don't even get me started on all of the nonsense about MORE INFORMATION, only to complain about too much information not even like 5 minutes later>
This is literally the exact same kind of nonsense nugi was talking about on the chris wilson baeclast that that lead to chris giving (in my opinion) the most iconic and telling line of that whole interview and this drama as a whole.
"so if we drop something, you're upset that we dropped something; but if we drop nothing, you're upset that we dropped nothing"
@@flamemano I believe the literal meaning of justification is to give grounds for, to explain why; something doesn't have to be objective to be justified, especially when that is a subjective opinion. I'm just saying I really enjoyed his views through a prism of a veteran gamer that gets how things should feel and can express his opinions well with words.
You almost seem like "trying" to be mad with another player's playthrough, just because he didn't align with what you "feel" like the intuitive way of his experience should be. I'm sure that if you open your scope of criticism a little you will see that this is a subjective thing to comment on. Take it for what it is. You seem really passionate about it, but come across as biased, with all love and respect :)
@@stokos123 Well you're literally wrong because justify means to show or prove to be right or reasonable ; to give a good reason for something. Its not about being objective per se, its about being logical AT LEAST.
That aside, you clearly are unable to read. At no point did i suggest that anything "should be" anything. Not knowing about support gems for like 2 hours because you didn't pay attention to the tutorial is stupid; Not knowing what rage does because you cant be bothered to read your class is also stupid. To do these things and then cite a lack of information as your excuse is monumentally stupid. To THEN turn around 5 minutes later and say that there is too much information is just like......the pinnacle of irrationality. This has nothing to do with anyone's opinion; He ignored information that was literally in front of his face.
Not a single thing he said in like the first hour in terms of information was even the slightest bit cohesive or logical; Thus not justified
been watching Preach for 10 years, and the POE guys for about 7 years - never thought my two favorite game worlds would meet one day
Man, Preach on baeclast is like a dream come true. Must be great for you too, being a long time supporter!
Glad to see him on here. His experience and decision to go in blind was extremely interesting to see and especially valuable in seeing how an experienced but new player might approach the game without researching anything
Only 10 minutes in and I'm really liking preaches perspective as a brand new player.
Same, I hope the GGG devs are taking note of what its really like for a new player :)
im not, becuase he was wrong about almsot everything he said. Ive been watching his playthrough and he has a really REALLY bad habit of not reading. For him to then come on this podcast and rant about how nothing is explained blah blah blah. Its really really stupid.
@@flamemano that's the point he's fairly reflective of an experienced gamer having very common new player experience good and bad. He gives a perspective to a large audience that's similar to an dude who's played games since he was a kid that's getting into arpgs for the first time.
PoE is the biggest arpg in the world by miles im now half way through the episode and his insight being completely segregated from the community is some of the most valuable feedback GGG can get. If there was an easier way to get more unadulterated feedback from players who haven't had their opinion molded by a larger community. This kind of feedback is extremely valuable for any dev that wants to keep improving their new player experience to keep their game growing well into the future. Unbiased feedback in the current community climate is good.
@@loopygordo You seem to have missed the point entirely though. some of his feedback is useful sure, but a large part of it is just him being kind of an idiot. How is ggg going to learn from that exactly?
@@flamemano A lot of things like dont explain everything through text for starters, that would help. Introduce more things step by step and not like it is currently when you hit maps and get introduced to 15 new mechanics (old leagues mostly), reduction of that would help etc.
This was easily the best PoE podcast to date. Getting an outside perspective from a very experienced, professional gamer was such a breath of fresh air. I hope Chris watches this.
i feel like preach basically has very similar views as chris anyway, so i don't see how him watching this would change all that much
I feel like Chris will watch this but do exactly the opposite of everything they talked about on this
Watching a bunch of PoE players struggle not too explain /spoil their game pleases me
It's so unbelievably difficult to not tell someone stuff like that lmao, especially for streamers whose chats ask them these questions day in day out
So true 😂
Please invite him back for all Baeclasts for the immediate future. I'd love to hear his updates from podcast to podcast and what he thinks when he sees his first new patch notes. This is fascinating.
really hope the core dev team at GGG sit down together and watch it and take notes. there are so many brilliant points made by Preach without knowing all the recent drama anf topics... for example the part about defenses and how the game is fundamentally designed to tank instead of dodge mechanically.
all in all one of the best episodes of baeclast, thanks a lot to all you guys!
It feels surreal to witness a collision of two worlds (Preach & PoE) that I have been following since early 2010s
Imagine how I feel getting to actually chat with the guy lol. Never thought it would happen.
It's so nice for gaming that Preach is no longer covering WoW and is actually looking at other games. I feel that Preach has a Totalbiscuit-ish-feel to him where he can really cover gaming and call things out that are bad in a fair way.
Yeah definitely. I think the only real difference is that TB was also a pretty smart man and brought some interesting perspectives to things that most people missed. Preach isn't nearly as smart but he's got the willingness to just give things a try, and to just keep on going. He's got dedication to the tasks he sets himself.
It could be super interesting to get Preach and Chris Wilson on a podcast together
Fully agree with thisn
Yup let the boomers have a podcast for PoE but talk about D2 for 80% of the podcast.
@@WasabiCannon I'd be so down for that too tbh
This needs to happen
Yeah no chris is trash and would ignore every point and go like he has the last month...oh well this is not our interest so no it's our way..
This is so amazing! It feels weird to say but I feel like I learned more about the game in this episode than in all the interviews with Chris. Preach, you have no idea how great the is was for the community, especially given the timing
Also shootout to the main cast for leading the discussion so well!
Preach X Tarke is absolutely my favorite crossover event that I never thought would grace my screen
Preach is a Legend! His "The Problem in the Mists (of Pandaria)" is one of my favorite videos on youtube.
One of the best episodes yet.
Preach really seems like the "ideal audience" for this game, getting by with just general game knowledge and the willingness to experiment and learn the mechanics on his own.
just discovered preach a few days ago and his higlights like discovering "corruption" and stuff are wholesome, funny and cute at the same time :D
The bit about item weight had me in laughing out loud, Preacher has been around the block and seen it before.
Would have been nice to have a voice like Preachs, or someone else very new to the game, for the Chris Wilson podcasts. Not that he is like the "casual" player we picture, but a fresh perspective that isn't so hung up on how things used to be.
A nice reminder that this game is still awesome, and has the same magic that hooked me 8 leagues ago.
Preach: No Spoilers please...
Tarke: *tells Preach the next upcoming charity challenge he's going to be doing*
Man I really hope Preach sticks around. It refreshing as fuck and so enjoyable to watch someone with limited expectations really enjoy themselves in Poe. Reminds me of when I first started playing and reminds me of why I love this game
Amazing podcast, it's been so interesting to watch him play and hear his thoughts. This is the content I love. Also, raiz is a gem. I loved his probing questions to see how Preach really feels about some mechanics
Yea. That raze fella is something else for sure
This is a tremendous podcast, I don't know why I haven't seen it before, now I'm a fan. Preach starting poe is one of the most entertaining things, it reminds me of when I started and everything was simpler. Good job, hope to see more
This is the most interesting podcast I have seen. Preach's perspective is amazing insight.
"Do you feel armor has done a lot for you?"
"Ha! I don't know!"
PoE in a nutshell.
Edit: jokes aside, this is a really refreshing take on everything that has to change in PoE. Yeah it's obtuse and complicated and that's part of the charm but it shouldn't be to the point of being straight up counter-intuitive. Hearing Preach describe how he *thinks* armor works while Raiz has the biggest banana-grin just underlines how bad it is.
"The lab was the best experience I've had in the entire thing so far".
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
Lab was fun for many people when it was introduced. And yes I remember crowds whining about traps and how hard it is to get to uber. I enjoyed the lab and I enjoy it even today, but only in small doses :)
@@TheSauronchik I've played PoE since 2012, and the lab has never been fun for me personally, BUT I can understand the appeal for sure. And I love the fact that it's "mini-hardcore" mode (except in the first years I played actual hardcore, so I didn't need that).
I started enjoying it more after the awesome recent improvements, and after they fixed the stupid trials. And of course, the enchantment improvements.
It was one of my favorite aspects as well when starting out. It faded quickly. The atmosphere, music etc.. is still among my favorites in the game.
It would be my favorite too, if I wouldn't have to constantly worry about losing all progress due to some random disconnect. :(
This was the only Baeclast I've gone through entirely os far. Probably because I myself am a WoW veteran and PoE noob, so I could really relate to a lot of what Preach was talking about. Love the content, cheers for sharing!
I really like this podcast for the reason that all the talk about PoE is purely in the design sense. When you talk about specific things, because of keeping it spoiler-free for him, you really cut straight to the reasoning without having to deal with the baggage that the community has placed on that specific thing. This might be my favorite Baeclast yet. Preach's view on things is so valuable.
I never played WoW, so I wasn't familiar with Preach until earlier this week. That being said, this was easily one of my favorite episodes ever. He's able to speak on general ideas and ask questions that you guys would never even think to discuss, and then because you guys are trying so hard not to spoil stuff you are taking a different approach in your talking points. Great stuff. Huge Baeclast fan and now a huge Preach fan as well.
Kinda refreshing to hear a new player with no entitlement, who understands that by default he should fail until he invests the proper amount of time to learn and gear up. I think a lot of people get too comfortable with the game and come to resent anything new that challenges them to spend more than a few minutes learning.
People also have to understand that he is a streamer and can spend 10 hours a day playing. And he is also a good gamer from his past in games, and is probably better than 90% of the people who will ever try PoE.
@@Oxmosh This in no way he is new really...he also as you said spends10 sometimes up to 20h on a game...there are a ton who do not.
I just love the fact that lab was his favorite part of the game. All those people b**** and moan about it and this completely new person comes in and loves it
Ok, this was a treat, Just realised I have sat here with a grin on my face for 3 hours and cheeks are hurting. Love to you guys!
This was so great to watch. I started watching this at 3am with the intention to pause it after a few minutes and watch the rest tomorrow. Well it's 6am now.
Love this guy. His perspective of being a high level RPG player but not having the bias of being a veteran Exile is so refreshing. Preach should be a Baeclast mainstay
Raiz and Preach seem like lost brothers, their logic is literally the same and I like it haha!
This has got to be the best Baeclast ever! Tarke, please do more videos like these.
The most "honest review" of PoE I've ever heard.
It is so interesting seeing new players experience PoE :)
I'm only a few minutes in but I really want to say how much I appreciate the way Preach is approaching the game. There is so much value in learning something through experimentation and logical deduction - specifically in games which are (hopefully) designed to allow that process to succeed.
In the case of PoE I myself would probably get very frustrated these days. Looking forward to watching the rest of the podcast when I get the time!
"Somebody must have done something to the world. Must be that Kitava fellow..." No, Preach... It was you...
Amazing how a new player's story puts the whole game into perspective, for me into a perspective how awesome and unique this game is. I'm still a happy PoE player after 8k+ hours. This podcast took any doubts I might have had away.
"That Kitava Fella"...gotta love Preach! We may have a new Baeclast member to rotate in.
Absolutely loved this podcast. Preach brings a lot of great experiences and knowledge into the Path of exile sphere. Excellent questions and humor throughout the show as well, Stellar effort by everyone. I hope to see more from Preach in the future about Path of Exile.
This vicarious experience of following along with Preach's first steps into POE is the best content I've seen in ages. It wonderfully articulates POE's intricacy and reminds me of the first few leagues I played. I'm sure his feedback is immensely valuable to devs for marketing to new players. Really hope he sticks with it long enough to face off against the Shaper. I'm sure that might mean a reroll or two though. I feel like a parent watching a baby taking its first steps.
Man, this conversation became so interesting when you told Preach about the current state of the community and he started getting really curious about everything. Such a good podcast, even for someone like me who has been away from POE for quite a while.
Only 1 hour in, and this is the best baeclast episode ever. Those farm to table fresh hot takes from Preach were just making my face numb with how juicy it was. Those takes we've seen 1 million times, but the organic freshness of it made it all the better. It's also delivered by someone who's very articulate. Damn it's good.
That small bit about armour absolutely killed me. It took me about 2 years to figure out how armour worked. A year and a half to figure out it wasn't what I assumed and another 6 months to actually find an explanation that made sense.
This is a BIG lesson in perspective. A friend of mine also recently quit WoW and started playin PoE and we agreed for him to also go in blind without my help until he reaches maps and really needs some help on how to progress further. He played a Cyclone Slayer and it took him around 50 hours to reach maps, because he just didnt know you have to hold Cyclone,s o he always tapped it, jumped in and out of packs with leap slam and used Heralds of Purity Minions to help him with tanking and he didnt see anything wrong with that, because THATS how he thought the game is supposed to play early on and the whole speed clearing and stuff comes in the end game. So despite all that he still had a lot of fun and who's to say that his way of playing is wrong if he has fun palying the game?
This was so rejuvenating and incredible. Finally a voice i feel like that is not represented at all or lost amongst the memeing. The fact that he had sad soo many things baeclast hosts tend to say and what Chris thinks should be just gives for some reason so much validity for those. I dont know why. This Preach fella had some serious preach in him. I fking loved this episode. It was so different.
Baeclast 2.0? :O
That was a fantastic podcast. Really very interesting to get the perspective of someone going into PoE blind. Brings me back to when I first played the game way back in the day, but it was a lot different then too.
Preacher jumping into PoE when the game is the hardest it has ever been, lmao.
Very cool talk. Good questions. Very fine answers. No spoilers added a little bit of spiciness to it. Good laughs. What a cool guy. Amazing episode.
Really awesome to hear Preaches impressions as a player who never played most ARPGs before (Mainly D2) and having a very fresh perspective as a hardcore gamer from another genre.
I just could NOT stop grinning through this entire segment. Preach is showing those who have both been there, are there, and those who have either no idea or have forgotten just how FUN a pure, fresh take on content without a filter is. The grins from me are not smug, they are the joy of someone familiar with the content, and getting to live it again, mistakes, learning and all. Huge cheers!
Love Baeclast, Love Preach
I needed this
2:02:19 preach is very right about this, and this IS a purely QoL change they could and should implement without the game changing - when you (first) buy a currency tab, it should offer to move all your existing currency into it, and have affinity turned on by default. (Same with the other special tabs.)
Preach single handedly accomplishing what forums and Reddit have attempted to accomplish with feedback in a single blind playthrough challenge. God bless you Preach! Glad you gave the game a go!
Honestly I don't think a lot of people had that many issues getting to maps with 50+ hours.
And well, preach does this for a living
I think Preach really hits the nail on the head with a lot of his comments. He doesnt care about zooming through the map, he's there for the challenging gameplay and the boss killing. I personally think Boss Mechanics need to be completely overhauled, with a lot more focus on mechanically challenging players and draining their flasks/resources, rather than a box checked for "do you have more than 5k life" and "do you do more than 1 million shaper dps"
I'd personally really enjoy boss fights that take longer than 30 seconds, so that would give them a reason to relook at flasks again with the intention of finding a middle ground of power between mapping, and longer boss fights. It would be like bringing a healer with you to a raid boss.
That's the expedition bosses. They are probably the most well made new bosses we have gotten in the last 4years. Deffintly up there with uberElder and uberAtziri.
They even have mechanics that interact with the environment they are in. Which is fantastic and a clear magnitude of betterment of GGG boss design, I hope we get more of that from now on.
Too bad the expedition uniques are all dead on arrival.
"I could have dodged this, I could have done that... That's the stuff I love..."
THIS. The random one-shots and clarity currently existing in POE is way too low. Coming from someone with a modest 4500 hours on primarily HC, that's exactly what I crave AND what I miss.
"Why don't the fights reset when you die?!"
DUDE AGAIN WITH THE TRUTH. PREACH, KEEP PREACHING.
I really want preach to release a video of things he learns when he finally looks things up just because I think it would be fun and eye opening on things that are overlooked.
Thnx Tarke for setting this up, loved it. Mike is brilliant at gaming tbh, its quite impressive in what he is figuring out
Preach: imagine this exaggerated, unrealistic build exploit example
poe players: that sounds like a regular build
I've been subbed to Preach for several years now, and I've been watching bits of his journey, so I knew this would be a good episode, but it was so much better than I anticipated. Great questions and great discussion! I loved hearing Preach's views as a new player to PoE but a veteran to RPGs. Fantastic job by everyone, but I really loved how giddy Raiz was the whole time.
Preach's comments on being greedy but getting one shot off screen and the whole RaizQT questions are so satisfying.
Watched all the way through. Super interesting hearing Preach's perspective and you guys constantly trying to talk around points to not spoil anything was hilarious :D. Thanks for the content!
Super fun cast. Thanks for everyones time and input.
Preach doing a sorta blind playthrough of PoE has given me faith to try and attack the game again
Man I'm glad to see Preach trying Poe out and managed to be on the show. I've been following him for years. He's a trip. The show made my day. Thanks guys.
"I do not want to run that campaign over and over again that sucks"
Chris wilson sad pepe face :(
Thats ok, Chris would make you like campaign, and trade, and clicking splinters.
It was so refreshing to see Preach playing and to be honest, it brought me back into days when I started to play POE and after 1500h ,I tink poe is not perfect but its dem good game if u like this kind of games
I love Preach! I’ve been watching his Drama Time videos for years, haven’t missed one. He’s seriously ones of the funniest dudes on the platform.
As a hardcore gamer who has only been playing PoE for a few months it was great listening to Preach because that's 100% how it feels and I think people have forgotten how rough it is to be new. Hmm this goes in the map thingy I wonder what it does... whee.... *dies*
Longtime viewer of Preach here, never been to your channel or have it recommended to me before, a couple highlights from Preach's PoE stream of the first day made me start playing the game also, I did "try" back when it released but hated the UI and stuff so never gave it a shot until a couple weeks ago, it's fun but very challenging, I'm currently in Act6. The podcast was quite entertaining to watch :) Cheers
Such a great episode, nice one lads.
I spent 50 hours on my first play through of the acts listening to story and getting all of the dialogue. I can’t tell you anything about the story. I agree with Preach in having a more engaging story should help the new player experience.
I remember one lady calling me Not a cockroach.
I always like Baeclast, but usually I listen to it while doing something else. This episode, after 10 minutes, I sat glued to the screen and paid attention to every second. This was excellent!
I hope he keeps up playing and you can do a follow up on this episode. It really was one of the most entertaining Baeclasts to date.
I look forward to Preach doing Shaper for the first time, that will be entertaining based on his style 👌
This was great. I haven't played POE in a while but it was nice getting to hear preach talk about it from a new player perspective.
Please interview AvoidingthePuddle/Aris! He started PoE about a league or two ago so he’s still a relatively new player. This league he progressed pretty far into endgame and I think his perspective on the current state of PoE would be super interesting. Also he plays exclusively on CONSOLE.
Thx, bwen looking 4 a console Poe Content creator
Great episode, been following preach journey, and it's been a blast.
Welcome to Poe preach :D
Alright guys, this was such an awesome podcast! What a pleasure to hear Preach articulate thoughts on the game from a new-player perspective. Big hats off to you for managing not to spoil anything for him, that had to be so difficult. I want to see next episode, when Preach get to higher tiers of PoE content, how it will feel for him moving forward! In the meantime, I have a new streamer to watch on Twitch/RUclips!
I think this was the coolest Baeclast so far. Episodes with GGG people are great fun to watch, but this one was truly special! Thanks again, what a great 3 hours :)
Very cool and insightful episode! The fresh perspective of Preach and the descriptions of his experiences must be worth pure gold for GGG and many, many longtime players, to get some new impulses for themselves.
This discussion was fantastic. I literally watched it start to finish with only a tiny break around 2 hours in to get a drink. It was so refreshing. I was legitimately sad when it ended; wtb more preach baeclast.
You hit the sweet spot with this colab TC You're on a roll mate, stay healthy 👍👍👍
Cheers!
Everything Preach said was 100% on. He addressed major issues in the game, without even knowing they were issues. The whole cast was smiling as he was telling his damn stories because he had no clue. I was straight up laughing at times because of it lol.
One of the best Baeclasts I have seen yet. I didn't know about Preach up until now, but I can tell that he will be an excellent content creator for Path should he choose to stick around. Here's hoping to him making an appearance on Baeclast again!
The point about bosses not resetting around 44:00 in is such an elephant in the room for the campaign to me. I'm so glad it got brought up by Preach!
Yea that is strange. It feels so bad to wear down a boss by respawning. I think the whole area should reset so you also get loot and XP on the way back to the boss.
Not every boss needs to be Izaro.
It for sure does a job of teaching people to just throw their face into stuff. In reality a new player should be taught that maybe they need to go farm more or upgrade their gear.
im inclined to agree (as a veteran) but there is a need that you can broodforce bosses down, because of the fact that changing your build if u lack damage or survivability is not as easy, more like impossible, when stuck.
imagine having no damage for dominus or surivability for his presquads. you can maybe get some adjustments and levels here and there, but if you are mechanically not gifted or just not really prepared u are more likely to quit the game (because then it is a literal "cock block"). there needs to be a way for new players to not feel like you are just not good enough for the game.
Hope you get the point
My first reaction when I heard the suggestion was apprehension as I am one of those who just buy the gems needed for progression, throw on my level 1 gear and mindlessly hurl bodies at the campaign until I can play the „real“ game. If the campaign bosses were actual adversaries leveling alts has the potential to be more interesting - or tedious. Not sure about that one.
eyyyyyyyyyyyy small crew but a loving baeclast! been taknig my break from the poe addiction finaly to go strong for some fun in the final month after i deal with some irl shit but lets goooooooooooooooooo PREACH! just gives me soooooooo much time to sit back and listen and enjoy this while i do nothing but rest for the day cheers
This is such a great listen!
I feel like Preach when I play Last Epoch. Got the game a couple days ago and having a blast. After thousands of hours into poe it feels super fresh!
48:12 this moment is so hilarious. "We are poe players. We never sleep."
Welcome to POE Preach! good to see you join one of my favorite games of all time. I hope you enjoy your adventure here.
At around 26:20 when he talks about people being intimidated by crafting and wanting to trade instead I feel like it's only half true. It is more efficient to spend a set amount of currency for an item you know will be good vs gambling and hoping it will turn out that way. Additionally, as far as crafting through currency is concerned, where are they getting all these exalts to slam?
Great podcast, Preach was great to listen to! Thanks for the interview boys!
reminds me a lot of the time when i started 7.5 years ago. I picked a witch and used whatever dropped. Still was the most fun experience i've had. Took me 70 hours to reach lv70. After that i started looking up guides and basically learnt that i played the game absolutely wrong the whole time.
If you had the most fun, was it actually wrong?
@@cr0mag732 maybe not. but struggling less would have made it even more fun
This was better than interviewing Chris Wilson. And Chris WIlson would improve his own game 100000% by watching this video.
I am so chuffed that Mike's finally enjoying PoE :D Was waiting for years for this to happen!
fantastic podcast. the guy is pure joy to hear.
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I came across Preach from Asmongold coverage on Blizzard's lawsuits. I quit blizzard games for different reasons and took a break from gaming then tried the PoE hype at the last year and now into my 3rd league. All i can say is i wished i came a long time ago, but as for Preach i started watching his videos about a week ago, and his unguided jump into PoE. I really like Mike and for everything he stands for, very big fan of him now. Welcome to PoE and i am sure you are gonna find a lot of new followers, dont change for anyone and goodluck Preach Gaming!!