I feel people give Bruce Timm way too much credit for the success of the DCAU. At the end of the day, he's just a artist. Not taking away from his style made BTAS iconic, but the writers like Paul Dini, Alan Burnett and Dwayne McDuffie made those shows memorable.
@@bentonmarcum8924 well it supposed to be that way, but after the DCAU finished, Timm has been given more creative input and it's for the worse. Hence the Killing Joke film, Batman and Harley Quinn and this dumpster fire.
@@erikbihari3625All Bruce Timm was responsible for in those old shows was the art direction and that’s practically it. Paul Dini, Dwayne McDuffie, and Darwin Cook were responsible for the writing
@@thundergodcid960. Sorry, probably should've written dini there. Also fun fact, not only his wife eventually played squirrel girl for ultimate Spider Man, but that was the first time that characters had prominence beyond being cameo!
Timm was the brain behind the success of warner premiere which now it's closed. It was Timm's idea the Batman of the nineties. You can't say he did nothing for DC in tv shows.
Ironically that show had "diversity" in it but without beating the audience over the head with it. It was just _there,_ nobody made a big point about it or even noticed.
@@riopato2009 it’s literally the most watched show on prime video I think prime video made the right choice lmao just because if you morons like you, I don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s not good not to mention it’s not woke just because they have a few characters that were literally already gay y’all just cry about everything.
Someone here knows nothing about comics. You in case. There are several comic books on Marvel and DC where characters are gender or race swapped, this is called alternate universe. You want ALL of the adaptations to have the same looks of DC Earth-1 or Marvel 616 Universe? That doesnt happen even in comics
Technically Jim and Barbara Gordon were also race swapped in the Lego Batman movie and I’m pretty sure Harley Quin is bi Her and poison ivy being a thing But the penguin as a woman That’s just dumb
@@joeofmacabre07 but are you talking about the plot or the look of the characters? Because being an alternate universe is pretty much a good reason for swapping characters genders and identities. Actually is the only reason.
@@Qwerty-jy9mjNew interpretation of the character with a hidden political agenda. The Riddler in the new Patterson movie doesn't have an agenda. LADY PENGUINA has. Be warned.
Timm wasn't responsible for all the writing. Most of the show are contributions from other writers notably Ed Brubaker who's known for Gotham Noir which should've been a perfect opportunity to incorporate into the story arc. No clue why they didn't go into this direction because it's a decent premise perfect for the time period of this series.
Timm wasn't responsible for any of the writing (aside from one or two standalone episodes). You can thank Paul Dini and Dwayne McDuffie (guy who also wrote Ben 10) for that.
@@thedatatreader Writing rooms. They each contribute their ideas to the scripts and the one who comes up with story generally received on screen credit. I think Timm was involved in the writing. Extremely talented man but his writing is now off the wall wacky, woke and perverted.
Timm has been putting out a lot of garbage lately starting with Killing Joke adaptation and Batman and Harley Quinn. Both of those cartoons was absolute hot garbage.
I don't know; what disappointed me about The Killing Joke is that they didn't stray far from the comic at all when they came to the subject from it. It was practically word for word. Mentally, I just discard the rest, but the other thing is what I really can't get over. I would have liked it more had I not read the comic first.
@@SamtheBravesFan not everyone reads the comics. In fact the majority doesn't. So if the story is good then there's no issue adapting it accordingly. It's when he strayed with the creepy batgirl sex thing that people had a problem with
A lesbian interracial couple in the 1940s, and one of them is an Asian Harely Quin? If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I would have thought someone was joking about how woke things could get.
There was a ghost in the show dude.. 😂😂😂 Trust me when I tell you interracial relationships existed in the 40’s. Many of us are products of such relationships.
Having a proactive, headstrong woman be into proactive headstrong men would be subversive at this point. Not every tomboy and "stROng WOmaN" needs to be gay.
What happened to Bruce Timm is that he doesn't have someone like Paul Dini. The Animated Series is largely credited to Bruce Timm but he wasn't the only one who made it what it was. We have seen what he does on his own. Batman and Harley Quinn = Harley sleeps with Nightwing while he is tied to her bed. Killing Joke = Batman and Batgirl have sex on a roof despite the fact that this is his friend's daughter, she is considerably younger than he is, depending on the continuity she has dated Dick, and he has enough discipline to not cross those lines. Bruce Timm just did these things to satisfy his own fetishes. I remember the commentary for the Superman Doomsday animated movie. When it came to the scene where Lois makes out with Lex Luthor, Timm said that they did it just because it felt so wrong. Bruce Timm is a weird guy who does weird shit and needs someone to handle the scripts, not him.
I went to the theater to see 'Killing Joke' and I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Batman slept with Batgirl. In fact you could feel the awkwardness in that theater as it happened.
I genuinely don’t know why people were excited about this, Bruce Tim has been creatively bankrupt for about a decade or more now, JJ Abrams poisons every IP he touches, and Matt Reeves is a pretentious director with style over substance
I can see why Warner Bros don't want anything to do with this since they took a look at it, and sees that this show won't make any profit. Amazon is a dumbass to pick up since they didn't even promote it or market it just dump into their streaming series. This show will be forgotten like Beware The Batman.
@@MitchTaylor-x8c that's when Trump derangement syndrome started so it tracks lol People on the left were so dumbfounded he won they made it their top priority to virtue signal 'change society' via social engineering through entertainment
Pity. I would love a Batman show set in the 1930's...if it was actually accurate to the era. But here we have lesbians snogging in public, an amazingly diverse police force (I guess there's no need for the civil rights movement. There was no racism and segregation in the '30's apparently.) and a baffling amount of fat characters.
Step one of the "Four steps for ideological subversion" (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985) Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. *To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism,* the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. *Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance.* Communism and Religion Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.” Eliminating American exceptionalism, *fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.* Art is cultural and social history. Batman was created in 1939 and is a part of the personal history of millions of fans of the IP. According to these Liberal activists, the originals were flawed and need to be changed to fit atheistic, Liberal Marxist ideologies. From BBC Arts In Munich, Adolf Hitler staged two exhibitions which defined the way we think about modern art. The Great German Art show displayed the artists he approved of, the Degenerate Art show displayed the artists he despised. In these two exhibitions, mounted side by side in adjacent galleries, the battle lines were drawn between traditionalism and modernism. It’s a battle that’s still being fought today. Do you like art that’s realistic and reassuring? Or do you prefer art that’s experimental or disturbing? Maybe you like a bit of both - in which case, you’re like a lot of people who went to see these shows. The Nazis wanted people to see both shows, but they didn’t want people to make up their own minds. The idea was to see the Degenerate Art show, and see how German art had been debased - and then see the Great German Art show, and see how the Nazis has redeemed it. ---You may have an art gallery in your mind comparing the traditional Batman (or other established IP) to the new "modern audience" versions, coming to the conclusion the modern versions are depraved, bastardized versions of what came before. Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired. You are not meant to accept the "modern" versions, that is only for the small, vocal minority on social media. You are meant to reject the modern art and look for someone, like Donald John Trump, who will come in and do a course correction for the United States, removing the Liberals so we can Make America Great Again. It's simple Hegelian Dialectic (Problem, Reaction, Solution) Republican Agenda Project 2025 *The actions of liberal politicians in Washington have created a desperate need* and unique opportunity for conservatives to start undoing *the damage the Left has wrought (PROBLEM)* and build a better country for all Americans in 2025. It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. *If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place (REACTION),* ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration. This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative administration: a policy agenda, personnel, training, and a 180-day playbook. The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. *With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government (SOLUTION).* The 2025 Presidential Transition Project is being organized by The Heritage Foundation and builds off Heritage’s longstanding “Mandate for Leadership,” which has been highly influential for presidential administrations since the Reagan era. Most recently, the Trump administration relied heavily on Heritage’s “Mandate” for policy guidance, embracing nearly two-thirds of Heritage’s proposals within just one year in office. All of this is leading to a Conservative revolution and a fascist regime being the solution to the growing Liberal Marxist problem.
Excerpt from US Public Law One zero two Dash One Four containing the "Seven laws of Noah" endorsed by every President since Jimmy Carter, with Reagan and Trump being the biggest supporters of the Noah Laws. Whereas Congress recognizes *the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our, great Nation was founded;* Whereas *these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noa/hide Laws;* Whereas *without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos; Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;* Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future; Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world; Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991: Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, “the rebbe”, this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of “education and giving”, the year in which we turn to education and charity to *return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven No/ahide Laws:* The Noah laws are endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Jews, the two religions which dominate the US Supreme Court. Donald Trump is a descendent of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne. Donald Trump is also a huge supporter of Israel and was deemed to be the new "King Cyrus" by Israel. This is the same Trump who received the Kabbalah "Tree of Life" from Hasidic Jews for his support of the nation of Israel, and as we all know, was bailed out of bankruptcy by Jewish bankers many years ago. The same Donald Trump was also called the "greatest supporter of Noah Laws in US History" by Israel national news in 2020 when they urged Americans to vote for him in support of the Noah laws and to combat liberal Marxist ideologies and immorality such as abortion and homosexual marriages. Titus 1:10-16 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Unbelieving Torah Jews) 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 *Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.* (Babylonian Talmud, which the Seven Laws of Noah are derived from.) 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. The following is a partial listing of the No/ahide Laws as derived from the Babylonian Talmud. Three of these Laws require the death penalty by guillotine when broken: Blasphemy, Idolatry and Sexual Immorality. (Note: Unlike in the Old and New Testament teaching “By the mouth of two or more witnesses..”, these Laws only require one accuser for the accused to be brought to the courts and condemned.) Idolatry: Must worship God alone. *Must not worship any man (ie: Jesus) as God.* No idols or statues. Do not bow to idols or statues. Do not offer sacrifices to idols or statues. Blasphemy: Do not curse God. Do not use God's name in vain. *Worship the true God alone, do not worship false gods. (Worshiping Jesus is also seen as blasphemy.)* Murder: Against murdering anyone, self defense is permitted. *Mass murderers will be given the death penalty. (Abortion is classified as mass murder.)* Theft--Do not: Steal. Rob. Overcharge -Have you noticed how many of today’s large corporations seem to be pushing the “progressive” message about “fairness, PRIDE, tolerance, inclusion, diversity, equity” while also overcharging for their products? And how many of these corporations are known to overwork and underpay their workers, reaping huge profits for themselves as they commit wage theft? Kidnap. Move a landmark. (Probably not good for BLM/Antifa activists who tear down historical landmarks.) Do not use false weights and measurements Do Not Covet Sexual Immorality-No: Bestiality Incest *Homosexuality* Justice Laws-Against: Bribery Favoritism Condemning the Innocent Must- *Administer the death penalty* Treat people equally before the law What is the “7 Mountains Mandate” (Dominionism/Dominion Theology)? Supposedly there are 7 “mountains” of global society-Arts and Entertainment, Education, Economy, Family, Government and Military, Media and Religion. (Note: The US voting machines are called “Dominion”.) According to this false teaching, by conquering these 7 “mountains”, the Kingdom of God will be established.
In the series 'Oswalda' Cobblepot (the character's actual name, I kid you not) appears to have two natural born sons - as in sons she gave birth to - so this version of the Penguin is a biological woman for some reason (she goes on to have one of those sons killed in cold blood, and then tries to kill the other one, because one of them betrayed her criminal enterprise - safe to say she isn't going to win any 'mother of the year' competitions). Also, in the comics and broader source material, the Penguin is called the Penguin as a snide nickname referring to his very short stature, rotund build, and generally unprepossessing appearance that loosely resembles a penguin. It is a term of contempt he took for his own as a mob nickname used to inspire fear. In this version, however, the Penguin thing appears to be part of Cobblepot's schtick; a persona she adopts as a component of her cabaret act. She is a tall professional performer (at least in the legitimate side of her business) who is confident, comfortable in her own skin, given to flirting with members of her audience, and is presented as a domineering, somewhat extroverted personality in complete contrast to what the Penguin should be.
The disrespect for the character smh! We always hated penguin and didn't think much of him until we saw him in The Batman where he gave Batman major problems and all he has was a freaking Benz and a measley automatic pistol That chase scene damn near made the movie I can't wait for the HBO Max series idgaf
maybe they thought she was a "Queen/Empress" Penguin. As opposed to "King or Emperor Penguin"...... The "Rockhopper" penguin look Oswald had in The Batman cartoon in the 2000s was done quite well. Voiced by Spongebob Squarepants I believe. People may love X-Men 97 but to me its just as much a hot mess than Caped Crusader. Actually its worse....
Two things were unintentionally hilarious in this show 1.) Catwoman summoning a Black Panther on Batman mid jewel-heist. Did she train it to hide in the shadows and sneak it into the museum off-screen? 2.) Batman hiding on the ceiling to elude the cops...in a hallway engulfed in smoke from the building actively burning down. With no respirator.
I rewatch Justice League and Justice League Unlimited all the time because they’re freaking amazing. Starcrossed and the Cadmus arc are peak fiction. What the hell was this?
@@StarcrossedFlash The whole thing just felt so nonsensical. Hear me out on this. The whole thing is supposed to be a discussion on if superheroes can be a bad thing, with Cadmus bringing up the times that Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid in STAS and the Justice Lords fiasco from JL. Cadmus spends most of their time in JLU preparing for that to happen, even teaming up with Lex Luthor in the process. It just felt so stupid to me because, yes, IRL vigilante organizations could very well be a bad thing, but in the DCU, costumed supervillains and alien invasions are recurring menaces, and superheroes have regularly thwarted them time and time again. So, the whole thing just came across like the government being needlessly paranoid of a bunch of people who have next to reason to ever turn evil. The writers pretty much realized how dumb it was by having the whole thing be upended by Brainiac showing back up, and the only real consequence of it all was King Faraday becoming the JL's liaison. The whole thing just looked like the writers had no idea what message they were trying to get across, and the whole thing is darn near pointless.
@@TheBackseaterYTI disagree……..extremely. It’s not nonsensical to have preparations just in case this superpowered army with no supervision goes rogue. The Justice League had proven themselves time and time again, but the US government doesn’t rely on faith, especially with Legacy, the Justice Lords, and the pure might of the JLU. Not to mention accepting Hawkgirl back, who’s seen as a traitor by everyone but the founding members. It’s not about how superheroes can be bad. It’s about what happens if they start crossing lines. Cadmus was wrong specifically for their brutal conduct and methods of development, but as a concept, they have a lot of merit. Plus, they just prefer having loyalist metahumans for its own sake. If their own metahumans can stop a rogue Justice League, they can stop basically whatever the League can. And Brainiac? This was hinted at since Superman TAS. And his point in all this was amplifying the major flaw of Cadmus: LETTING LUTHOR FUND THE ENTIRE THING! Cadmus was supported entirely by Luthor. Waller admitted that being a mistake herself. They knew he was a snake, and they still let him bite them. Thus, there’s no way the President would let them continue after such a blunder. While their forces were busy losing to the Justice League, Brainiac was about to become an omnipotent android, but that’s where Batman came in, then Waller set aside their differences and had the founding members on standby to stop Luthor. Thus, Cadmus and the League, in a way, came together to stop the puppet master. Pointless? Let’s see……Waller becoming their liaison and deciding to create Terry McGinnis, giving us that masterpiece episode about fate vs free will. Luthor becoming obsessed with Brainiac to the point where he accidentally resurrects DARKSEID, eventually leading to Luthor’s own demise. The Metro Tower to prove that they’re getting closer to the people now.
@@StarcrossedFlash Cadmus ark is a true ending for justice league unlimited for me, I don't like legion of doom in final season and resurrection of Darkside for last episode
The higher the critic score means the harder the movie pushes a political agenda. Today’s critics do not care about entertainment quality. They only care that a movie pushes “the message”.
@@kevinemmers7025 Could it possibly be, also, that times change, and nobody wants to cater to the delicate snowflake feelings of incels and neckbeards, anymore?
@@mattbrendlen Could it be that also the audiences finally said "enough is enough" after seeing the Nth movie pushing the woke message and race-swapping already perfectly well-established characters instead of making new ones and actually being creative?
@@ad1kher0gaming71 It's more likely that the internet is full of crybaby incels who don't understand that you can still enjoy your old sacred cartoons while other people might enjoy this new stuff. Nobody ruined anything... they just made a new thing that you didn't like. Which is fine... it's fine for you to not like things... but you need to stop blaming everything on the "Woke boogeyman"... If you want everything to stay the same and never change, boy have I got some bad news for you, kiddo... My advice would be to go back and watch the old cartoons... and nothing else. And don't forget to call your mommy and have her sing your favorite bedtime song over the phone for you, so everything can go back to the way it was...
Who would have thought that Paul Dini, the guy who struggled with women and self-confidence issues (very relatable for a lot of us), was the true genius of Batman: The Animated Series and Bruce Timm got way too much credit.
I had always assumed Paul Dini was the genius behind the original show. For some reason had thought everyone had always given him the credit. Now I'm confused to hear otherwise.
@@sheshotjfk8375 you should read Dark Knight: A True Batman Story that shows Dini's internal struggles with confidence in life while working for Batman The Animated Series. Guy thought about killing himself at one point. It's an interesting comic.
The worst crime is the new generation of young people saying the writing today of Batman is just as good as the Original Animated Series or Batman Beyond. Those stories were mature stories pretending to be a kids show. They were smart, and respected the audience enough to make you think, rather than just present content for shock value.
@Miguel Angel LS Who are you quoting yourself? Nobodies agreeing with your dismissive comment.
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@@doclouis4236 I'm not quoting myself. It's the feeling I read in the comment. "The series I grew up with were the good ones, unlike the current ones that are all bad". Every series, even BTAS has some problems. But the idea is to put your brain a little in stand by and enjoy the ride. And the "now it's all shock value"... Do I have to bring Bugs Bunny here? Lobo? Sláine? Image Comics in general?
Oh, so you're being a contrarian and not acknowledging any of the points that the guy in the video mentioned or the comment you were originally replying too. Well that explains it. You have recency bias and don't want to admit that you're just lashing out at comments you disagree with.
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@@doclouis4236 I've been reading comics since the 80s. When did you started? I've seen diamonds in comic AND I've seen shit in THE SAME comics. That's why I say that "the comics of today are based on shock value" is a "voluntary alzheimer" comment. In the 80s, 90s, 00s there were LOTS of shock value based comics. And about the video... if he doesn't understand what that version of Penguin is ("is it a trans?") when they say it really clear ("our mother") means either he hasn't seen the series, he has seen it like a porn movie (forward-forward-forward) or was doing "something else" while pretending to see it. Or the worst option: he saw the series but has an ax to grind and doesn't give a shit if what he says is right or not.
But they were really bad people that got killed at the start of the show. When Batman as Bruce Wayne escaped into the water on Penguin's boat I thought he was going to save her son from drowning and then use him to convict his mother. Nope, he unknowingly let him die a horrible death. In fact, Batman let lots of people die in this show including the damsel in distress in the Clay Face episode. If Montanya wasn't there the woman would've been sliced in half because Batman was too busy bumbling around fighting a washed-up actor that was able to be a challenging fighter.
@@riopato2009 Oh, that alone should enrage the Batman fan. He let many people die and shown himself to be a failure against Harley and a hero. A POC female with less training saves him and holds back against a mass murderer. If he had blowback against him beating female Penguin bloody, that would be better than letting her shoot a whole Police Building. The Coast Guard would be in their right to light up the boat and kill the people on the boat to stop her from shooting the cannon or at least give her the death penalty. Showing him nearly die to Harley shows lack of investigation skills and a complete failure.
@@verindictus3639 That's the opposite of woke. Treating women like they can't fight is very patriarchal. Although, now that I think about it, in the supposedly "progressive" current Hollywood, they have made a lot of action movies where women heroines beat up man villains. But I can't think of a single example of a movie where the hero is a man and beats up a woman villain. I guess Hollywood is not as woke as we think it is.
This show made me start rewatching the animated series. BTAS is literally better in EVERYWAY. Animation, characters, grit, i cant think of one area this show succeeds.
“Didn’t hire any GOOD mystery writers” that’s correct both Matt Reeves and JJ Abrams are terrible at writing mysteries. Majority of the issues in this show are similar ones to “The Batman.”
Wow.. as if Harley Quinn being DC's cash cow in recent years wasnt bad enough, but Timm and everyone involved in the show just have to give her the Velma treatment. I'm glad I've been replaying Batman Arkham Knight for months. I put in almost 400 hours total.
In (somewhat half-hearted) defense of Batman/Batgirl, when Barbara Gordon was first introduced in the comics, she was much closer in age to Bruce Wayne than BTAS would later depict her as being.
Bruce Timm went down hill a long while with Batman and Harley Quinn, The Killing Joke. This is what happens when you don't have Paul Dani and many other people who work on the DCAU to work on this show. I have hopes for this show but now seeing him teaming up with JJ Abrams just only make things worst and proving South Park to be right once again. And what really annoys me is that I'm sick and tired of these studios and Hollywood modernization old timeline that won't work back then because for 1940's their sure are lot of diverse people either stick how the timeline works or don't do it at all.
Batman in the show actually says it feels like there’s no point to what he does after he takes down one crime boss and this ends up with the other retaking more territory which is moronic Batman is all about the eternal war on crime as well if he’s taken down one boss this just means he can focus solely on the other. This show is so bad...
I mean, the old cartoon did that once. Batman was a bit weary about the grind. They spelled it out in the dialogue. But in the end, he went right back at it because he knew he had to.
@@SamtheBravesFan And in that episode, his being unable to prevent Gordon from getting shot and being wrongfully blamed by Bullock was enough to break his spirits. He had a reason to feel like quitting was an option.
I’m a BIG Batman fan and this 10 episode season is a slog at times. Placing modern 21st century social attitudes in a show set in the 1940s SIMPLY DOESN’T FIT. It’s unfortunate that institutional racism existed then but that’s the way it was. A contemporary setting would have worked much better for what they wanted to do . But they wanted it both ways and this show makes questionable choices, story-wise. The Batman platform is surprisingly durable and adaptable. But it seems like they made all the wrong choices. I’ll finish the season but I doubt I’ll return to it.
Season 2 has to be an improvement but if Barbara ends up sleeping with Batman, which is obvious this is the setup, then Bruce Timm is solely responsible for ruining a really good potential of a series. Doubt there will be a season 3 after this.
The thing is the could push these social messages by telling engaging stories. A black commissioner of police in 1940? How’d he get there? What did he do to break those boundaries? Who’d he make mad? Who did he take down? Tell THAT story!
The sad thing is, it IS possible to tell a story set in the early-to-mid twentieth century with diverse characters and NOT have it turn into a racial morality play. Simply make the setting as unconventional as the cast. Set it in Greenwich Village in New York, perhaps, and make all the characters bohemian artists and such. Or make them all communists, because then not only would they genuinely believe in racial equality, but they'd all face the same discrimination from society because all communists were considered equally bad. Sure, the show would get called "lefty," but if you do ANY kind of diverse period show you'll get called lefty anyway. You might as well be brave about it.
@@SeasideDetective2 "Or make them all communists, because then not only would they genuinely believe in racial equality..." Oh boy, should someone tell him?
Nothing happened to Bruce Timm. This is him showing his true colors. Paul Dini is the real genius. Keep in mind he was the head writer for the animated series and the first two Batman Arkham Games. Bruce Timm is given too much credit than he actually deserves.
I was upset the entire time watching the show. ( im a adult black man. I have to put this in so people dont think im being racist) Gordan is a Black man. Harley is some type sponge built Asian woman. Penguin is a boss type hyper agressive woman. Catwoman legit pissed me off how chessy she was. The women in the show are about as feminist as you can get. I feel asleep on every single episode.
EXCELLENT REVIEW!!! You're right about EVERYTHING you said. The thing that shocked me THE MOST was that this was the FIRST Batman show that had me falling asleep, and coming back to finish it the next day. The episodes just don't draw me in and it IS a pretty boring show. Batman fights like he just finished his (Tai.,Kwon-Do ) classes .. HORRIBLE action scenes.,
All the D.E.I. in what appears to be the 1930s or 1940s really stuck out like a sore thumb... As an avid history buff It's so hard to not then think to oneself, "So, no need for the civil rights movement in this universe I guess?" and "I wonder if Lois Lane is the editor and chief of the Daily Planet in this universe?" and if you're paying attention to modern comics and D.E.I. tropes "Are they gonna make Harley, Ivy and Barbara a 3 person gay open relationship?". This is around WWII mind you.
I really enjoyed this review . . . you included all the things I felt along the way but articulated them much better. Thanks for not pulling the punches on this one!
Idk what you mean about Bruce and Two Face, Batman was so affected by what happened to Two Face that they had me believing he’d shoot and kill, which is also a play off Batman’s Golden Age. That last episode was masterful.
You're right. They do want to have it both ways. But you know what they say: You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If this is cartoon was accurate to the 1940's, people would find it offensive and problematic, but by making it politically correct, you alienate viewers and people will complain about it.
All the show had to do is make a 40s themed detective noir show that adapts Bill Finger Bob Kane era Batman comics. Instead we get Bruce Timm’s fanfiction of Batman.
I had a tricky time growing up trying to decide whether period pieces were more annoying to me when they hit me over the head with a "People were racist back then!" tirade or when they sugarcoated the period with politically correct casting. I always found the former more offensive: I don't like it when the left preaches at me any more than when the right preaches at me. There is a third option, though. You can always do exactly what filmmakers in the actual '40s did: make everyone white so they'll get along racially, thereby ducking the issue entirely. Yes, people would complain at first, but most of them would come to understand. You can always reboot the show in the present day if the ratings drop too dramatically.
@@SeasideDetective2 This show being bad has nothing to do with having a variety of races in the 40s- it's just poorly written. Race or gender swapping fictional characters can work it's how you write them. Nobody would have cared if the whole show was white hello? How is the left "preaching" at you anyway? By having minorities exist and having two chicks kiss? These things can work but again- it's just bad writing. Even in the original BTAS you had Harley and Ivy borderline together (there's heavy hinting).
But the thing is that the 40s in the series is not OUR 40s. There can be all the differences they want. If it was our 40s, explain Clayface or Nocturne.
Idk about the comic, however What happened to the series, is they hired JJ the destroyer of franchises abrahams to direct the show. When I hear, jj abrams is apart of a movie or show, I have zero interest in it.
Man you nailed this review. The DEI angle was immediately infuriating when I saw Gordon. You cannot explain that for the time period. I was instantly done. The Harley review is spot on in it's insanity and the penguin just about killed me. Like why? Then the she penguin instantly kills a child on speculation alone. Simply crazy.
And now we know Paul Dini was the real creative genius behind the success of the so-called "Timmverse". Now we know that Dini was to Timm what Perlmutter was to Feige.
Except Bruce Timm was fully in charge of the JL shows and while they weren’t on the level of BTAS, they were still fantastic shows. Timm just lost his touch at some point.
@@NEWT8300 But it was Dwayne McDuffie who became in charge of story on Justice League. Remember it didn't have a great first season, McDuffie took over season 2 and it became fantastic. Lt's not think Timm had a perfect record here, his success has largely been due to having fantastic writers and story editors who did their own work and who reigned him in. Remember it was Dini who wrote the best Batman Animated stories and created Harley Quinn.
After the halfway point of this video I was completely over the idea of ever giving this a chance. What a dumpster fire. Oh well, back to playing Batman Vengeance and watching Batman Beyond.
"This is the Batman show that we really wanted to make back then" they say. Ironically, the one that was stifled by TV age rating/child sensitivity is still the superior one even decades later.
TAS had a lot of Paul Dini's involvement who is awesome and respects the DC lore a lot more than Timm, sadly Dini is not involved here besides Bruce Timm sadly now days seems to have fallen under the woke pill. He gave an interview months ago about "it'll be more inclusive, blah, blah, blah" same thing X-Men 97 show did with the Morph non-binary thing, the subtle innuendos at times and some other questionable choices. I think personally both are alright but neither nearly as good as their 90's counterparts to be honest. Not a fan of the race and gender swaps but I guess to be fair here, it's a different universe set in the 40's but I digress. Wasn't a fan of gender swapped Penguin. But yeah, I do wish we could get just a comic show from DC and Marvel without anything PC or any kind of messages involved but we're in 2024 so sadly that ain't going to happen. I'm surprised Catwoman looked as sexy as she does tbh though.
Problem with the race/gender swap in this show, is the fact it’s suppose to be the 1940’s. This show heavily marketed around being an Elseworld period piece. But there nothing here that indicates that. Way too diverse for that time period. There not even a reference to WWII for petesakes? It like they want to keep their cake and eat.
@ffjj3964 Yeah honestly the raceswap especially for the 40's probably wouldn't work, yet at the same time unlike the X-Men show which takes place in the same universe they pretty much said "hmm let's change this character, that character, these relationships, kill off those favs because" The Batman show while no where close to TAS is it's own thing, entirely different universe so from a multiversal perspective it technically makes sense regardless of the flaws. I'm against the race and genderswapping, but at the same time it's an entirely different universe so I find it slightly more tolerable than messing around with an already established universe(Thank God this isn't the same universe as TAS) I think even they knew better especially Timm.... At the end of the day it's still an elseworld period piece and elseworld/alternate reality though, may not be executed the best but it's still another universe regardless. The WWII thing to be fair, Watchmen changed things in history in that universe that didn't happen the same exact way like the Vietnam War for example. That stuff doesn't matter to me as much as what would be more appropriate for that time period.
@@MKF30 Here’s a question: If you plan on doing a Period-Piece, what’s the point to have any about said era? Like you could easy change the look to a modern setting and nothing would change. Like this show suppose to be in an era with no Mobile Phones or Computers, yet that never comes into play. The show doesn’t care about the historical accuracy with society. Any historical events at the time. Or bother with any historical handicaps. So I ask, why did they set this in the 1940’s at all?
@@ffjj3964 I think you can do a period piece so long as you follow *most* rules of that era, but that doesn't mean you have to follow *all* however so long as its a fictional thing you're doing.. Red Son, Watchmen among many other DC elseworlds or alternate universes don't follow real history to a T or they altered things at times, but those stories overall are much better than this one thus people forgive it. Is all I'm saying... They set it in the 40's for that Noir style Batman, personally I wouldn't have done it in the 40's as some of their changes just don't make much sense for that era. However, everything else doesn't have to be 100% accurate/reality since this is fiction too at the end of the day. There's a whole video about how Superman and Spider-Man technically can't work due to real life physics...but do you care about that stuff I ask? All I'm saying is not everything has to be 100% realistic in a fictional piece in general then it's not fiction at that point it's just reality and reality purely is boring. I respect your opinion though and hear ya.
This made me feel so much better. Iv only seen Ep 1. After finishing it I was so disappointed i wanted to find out if im in the minority who think its just badly written Your analysis is spot on. I feel better now.
THANK YOU, FINALLY someone says it how it is 👏 I hate how people defend this new series, knowing the writers are just pandering just to get a season 2 😒 Paul Dini Understands batman
One thing I don't like about the show among others, os how they had Bruce treat Alfred, in no other iterations have I seen bruce treat Alfred like dirt...
the caped crusader had the magic about the looks of the characters, the citys atmosphere and some story plots were decent,,, but race swap and killing of the gingers were an turnoff.
I didn't even get past the first scene of The Penguin singing. At first I thought for myself, on weird The Penguin has a singer that looks like him. After checking the credits, immediately closed the show. Too bad, as he said they had such potential, and I was super excited after watching the opening credits.
I thought the same thing when I watched that scene until after in the boat when Bruce is referring to penguin as she and I was like nope time to shut this bs off
The adaptation of Justice League New Frontier is still the high point in DC’s animated slate. It’s essentially the Green Lantern movie we should have gotten. And it’s brimming with such hope and optimism. And the insert of JFK’s New Frontier speech at the end had me in tears. For anyone who loves everything good about superheroes, I highly recommend reading the graphic novel or watching the movie.
It's crazy that just a few years ago, Paul Dini and Alan Burnett came back three times to write the Batman The Adventures Continue comics and those while flawed at times are way better than what Bruce Timm made for this show.
They made the penguin a from a 4-ft 10 man with deformities and facial features that made him look like a penguin, into a 6 ft 1 woman that has a jewish nose.
The common thread in cinema for over a decade has been BAD WRITING. It’s so bad, even talented directors can’t overcome the garbage writing. Add corporate agenda mandates and it’s a perfect recipe for mediocrity.
I disagree totally. I didn't watch the animated series during the nineties because I watched no TV at all during the nineties. So I decided after watching three episodes of the caped crusader to watch some of the animated series. I could see how if I had grown up on this, I would have been a diehard fan, but I found it ridiculous and too ADHD for my taste. I noticed as I returned back to the caped crusader, I found the focus was much more on relationships between the characters and much deeper tones. I like the new. But hey, that's just my opinion.
Bruce Timm ruins everything Batman related. Remember The Killing Joke adaptation? I rest my case. I just finished watching the last episode and not one stood out as "great". My overall opinion? MEH. I was excited about it until I watched it. It's just left-over, luke-warm BATS with killing and poor stories.
It seems Timm was only good when he had great writers like Dwayne McDuffie, Stan Berkowitz and Paul Dini to back him up. He did Superman Doomsday, which was basically a precursor to Zack Snyder’s edgelord Superman and Batman The Killing Joke, which featured an additional 20 minutes that was basically “Barbara Gordon is thirsty for the Bat-D”
honestly this was all my feelings in a nutshell. Batman and Superman have always been dc's classic fall back on characters when they needed steady money, or a new comic line. And the few episodes they have out feel like a hallow fanfiction that misses every mark but has some interesting idea's that really don't go anywhere.
EVERYTHING coming from Hollywood is mediocre. Hiring based on DEI guarantees mediocre at best. All the best stories are coming out of South Korea and Japanese anime.
If there's one thing I've learned about Bruce Timm over the past few years is that he is part of the crowd that is pushing all this woke garbage. He's just showing who he really is right now.
Agreed with you with almost everything except: -Catwoman: in her first comic appearance she was portrayed as rich and the purple costume with the cape did include high heels. -Their take on Clayface, the original Basil Karlo, wore almost the same thing except the scarf.
Was anyone else getting a bit of a "Velma" vibe from this series? Nearly all the "good guys" were POC, and nearly all the "bad guys" were white males. In fact, I may be wrong, but (in the episodes I've watched so far) has there been any white male who was not either corrupt, a weakling, or an out-and-out villain? Except ffor Batman and Alfred, whom Bruce weirdly calls "Pennyworth" thoughout.
Your reading way to deep into this. Literally one of the villains is an Asian-American Harley Quinn and we have a gender-swapped Penguin too. Firebug wasn't really a villain more of a tool in his episode, Flask and Bullock were the real villains and guess what? Flask is black. We also have Catwoman too. Then there's Noctura who's just a child. It's merely a coincidence. Also Bruce calling Alfred, "Pennyworth", is supposed to be weird! Because he's built up walls and keeps people at a distance! And he slowly undoes that and calls him Alfred in the final episode!
There was one white male GCPD detective who seemed to be a good guy, a good cop and not a pushover, but then he tried to kill Barbara for the money when someone put a hit on her, so...
I just saw the Clayface episode, and I noticed that there's not ONE white blond woman in the glamorous 40s Hollywood 😂😂. All the "sex symbols" are black or dark skinned. Progressive I guess? 😂😂 God, this is so awful
Remember that BATMAN was not his sole creation. It was co created with Eric Radomski. Without Radomski, Dini, Shirley Walker and many other there is not Batman TAS. He alone with a new team always produce trash. He is just a "good" artist, but a horrible writer and director.
JJ Abrams already proved he doesn't understand Star Trek or Star wars. I don't know why anybody trusts him with any IP
It's not about understanding. It's about sending The Message.
Give him doctor who and see if he ruins it, further
It's the mission of the tribe to ruin everything.
To be fair number 8 didn’t give him much to work with number 9
I felt 7 had potential
He pays money... unfortunately not enough for the studios to balance out what they're gonna lose.
I feel people give Bruce Timm way too much credit for the success of the DCAU. At the end of the day, he's just a artist. Not taking away from his style made BTAS iconic, but the writers like Paul Dini, Alan Burnett and Dwayne McDuffie made those shows memorable.
Exactly.
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he thought it was the artist that made BAS a great.? Artists don't control the script they follow the script.
@@bentonmarcum8924 well it supposed to be that way, but after the DCAU finished, Timm has been given more creative input and it's for the worse. Hence the Killing Joke film, Batman and Harley Quinn and this dumpster fire.
You're right
What happened to Bruce Timm?
Paul Dini's absence, that's what.
Thought that killing joke movie was the culprit! Majority best batmite/brave and the bold episodes are his work.
@@erikbihari3625All Bruce Timm was responsible for in those old shows was the art direction and that’s practically it. Paul Dini, Dwayne McDuffie, and Darwin Cook were responsible for the writing
@@thundergodcid960 exactly.
It's like now ex Capcom producer Keiji Inafune would try to claim Mega Man was his sole creation
@@thundergodcid960. Sorry, probably should've written dini there. Also fun fact, not only his wife eventually played squirrel girl for ultimate Spider Man, but that was the first time that characters had prominence beyond being cameo!
Exactly!
Bruce Tim did not write BTAS. Paul Dini and the rest of the crew were the brains behind that show. Bruce just made the art work.
He had more input than that, but yeah, it's important to understand that TAS and rest of DCAU was a group effort.
Paul Dini. Why not do that again?
But it was Timm's idea the concept around it.
Timm was the brain behind the success of warner premiere which now it's closed. It was Timm's idea the Batman of the nineties. You can't say he did nothing for DC in tv shows.
@@brunodelacruz06yeah he made cool designs, caped crusader has good designs too. Just not writing
0:59 you forgot to mention Batman Beyond. Not sure why that’s bothers me so much but that show was awesome and deserves credit
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Agreed.
Ironically that show had "diversity" in it but without beating the audience over the head with it. It was just _there,_ nobody made a big point about it or even noticed.
I still want a live action Batman Beyond movie! I have been waiting since ...oh god... I'm so old.
For me I wanted a Beyond game in the Arkham Asylum games style but unfortunately I don't trust current Rocksteady to do that
HBOmax passing on this was a big sign this show wasn't going to be good.
Yup HBOmax saw it as a cash grab and sold it to Amazon, knowingly pawning them a lemon.
@@riopato2009 I don't blame them.
@@riopato2009 it’s literally the most watched show on prime video I think prime video made the right choice lmao just because if you morons like you, I don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s not good not to mention it’s not woke just because they have a few characters that were literally already gay y’all just cry about everything.
They've already had two universally hated animated shows, in the forms of Santa Inc and Velma, so they didn't want to be saddled with a third one.
@@Adamguy2003 except this is a university hate it it’s either you love it or you hate it no in between
There was no need to make penguin a woman. The batman universe has plenty of women ... heros and villians... in it already.
Exactly, they literally could have put Sofia Falcone if they really wanted a femme crime boss.
Gender swapped Penguin into a woman.
Race swapped Jim & Barbara Gordon black.
Harley Quinn is an Asian lesbian.
I’m out.
Montoya and Alfred are obese.
Someone here knows nothing about comics. You in case. There are several comic books on Marvel and DC where characters are gender or race swapped, this is called alternate universe. You want ALL of the adaptations to have the same looks of DC Earth-1 or Marvel 616 Universe? That doesnt happen even in comics
Technically Jim and Barbara Gordon were also race swapped in the Lego Batman movie and I’m pretty sure Harley Quin is bi
Her and poison ivy being a thing
But the penguin as a woman
That’s just dumb
@@dann_mrtins Ngl, the alternate universe is such a lame reason to justify lazy tv series production
@@joeofmacabre07 but are you talking about the plot or the look of the characters? Because being an alternate universe is pretty much a good reason for swapping characters genders and identities. Actually is the only reason.
Penguin isn't trans here. They LEGIT genderbent Penguin into a woman.
But, why?
@Qwerty-jy9mj just a new interpretation of the character. Same reason why riddler didn't wear a green jumpsuit in the Patterson Batman movie
@@Qwerty-jy9mjNew interpretation of the character with a hidden political agenda. The Riddler in the new Patterson movie doesn't have an agenda.
LADY PENGUINA has. Be warned.
@@r.m.5926not even close to the same thing.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC Actually is. Both are different interpretations of a comic character for the purposes of their respective story lines
My guess, he needed the other writers of Batman TAS to keep him in check.
Timm wasn't responsible for all the writing. Most of the show are contributions from other writers notably Ed Brubaker who's known for Gotham Noir which should've been a perfect opportunity to incorporate into the story arc. No clue why they didn't go into this direction because it's a decent premise perfect for the time period of this series.
Timm wasn't responsible for any of the writing (aside from one or two standalone episodes). You can thank Paul Dini and Dwayne McDuffie (guy who also wrote Ben 10) for that.
@@thedatatreader Writing rooms. They each contribute their ideas to the scripts and the one who comes up with story generally received on screen credit. I think Timm was involved in the writing. Extremely talented man but his writing is now off the wall wacky, woke and perverted.
@@thedatatreader yup Paul Dini is the person responsible for the amazing stories, Timm took all credit though.
at ep 5 and stopped.... This 2024....I think people don't want their batman in the 30/40s
Paul Dini is the Bill Finger to Bruce Timm's Bob Kane
Timm has been putting out a lot of garbage lately starting with Killing Joke adaptation and Batman and Harley Quinn. Both of those cartoons was absolute hot garbage.
I don't know; what disappointed me about The Killing Joke is that they didn't stray far from the comic at all when they came to the subject from it. It was practically word for word. Mentally, I just discard the rest, but the other thing is what I really can't get over. I would have liked it more had I not read the comic first.
@@SamtheBravesFan The Batman Batgirl sex scene was all Timm tho and that was not in the book. And it was cringe imo.
@@SamtheBravesFan not everyone reads the comics. In fact the majority doesn't.
So if the story is good then there's no issue adapting it accordingly.
It's when he strayed with the creepy batgirl sex thing that people had a problem with
The Batman/Batgirl thing turned me so off. What the fuck.
Killing Joke was awesome, what are you talking about?
A lesbian interracial couple in the 1940s, and one of them is an Asian Harely Quin? If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I would have thought someone was joking about how woke things could get.
Not OUR 1940s.
Ah, the usual multiverse excuse then.
There was a ghost in the show dude.. 😂😂😂
Trust me when I tell you interracial relationships existed in the 40’s. Many of us are products of such relationships.
Having a proactive, headstrong woman be into proactive headstrong men would be subversive at this point. Not every tomboy and "stROng WOmaN" needs to be gay.
@@majorlazor5058how common were those relationships and how accepted were they in the 40s?
What happened to Bruce Timm is that he doesn't have someone like Paul Dini. The Animated Series is largely credited to Bruce Timm but he wasn't the only one who made it what it was. We have seen what he does on his own. Batman and Harley Quinn = Harley sleeps with Nightwing while he is tied to her bed. Killing Joke = Batman and Batgirl have sex on a roof despite the fact that this is his friend's daughter, she is considerably younger than he is, depending on the continuity she has dated Dick, and he has enough discipline to not cross those lines. Bruce Timm just did these things to satisfy his own fetishes. I remember the commentary for the Superman Doomsday animated movie. When it came to the scene where Lois makes out with Lex Luthor, Timm said that they did it just because it felt so wrong. Bruce Timm is a weird guy who does weird shit and needs someone to handle the scripts, not him.
Basically vivianne medrano for superheroes?
Jesus
I went to the theater to see 'Killing Joke' and I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Batman slept with Batgirl. In fact you could feel the awkwardness in that theater as it happened.
could Dini have really saved this series from what is most likely its woke writing mandates?
@@hecticstairs hard to say with Abrams and Reeve producing
I genuinely don’t know why people were excited about this, Bruce Tim has been creatively bankrupt for about a decade or more now, JJ Abrams poisons every IP he touches, and Matt Reeves is a pretentious director with style over substance
I can see why Warner Bros don't want anything to do with this since they took a look at it, and sees that this show won't make any profit. Amazon is a dumbass to pick up since they didn't even promote it or market it just dump into their streaming series. This show will be forgotten like Beware The Batman.
I don’t think Matt Reeves is that bad, but I’ll sadly agree with you on the other two fronts.
@@ghostrangerz8273. Most his projects are shared with abrams like alias! You sure?
Matt is good but this def makes me question him.
From what i can tell it was mostly Abbrams and Timm@jingleballs9935
Wait!!! They made Harley ASIAN... And then dressed her in a YELLOW COSTUME?!
Hollywood hypocrisy: making excuses since 2016
Yeah cause her race and costume color are the really important parts about her. What woke garbage
@@MitchTaylor-x8c that's when Trump derangement syndrome started so it tracks lol
People on the left were so dumbfounded he won they made it their top priority to virtue signal 'change society' via social engineering through entertainment
"It's not racist when we do it."
They change her so much, it easier to believe she a new character. Frankly, they might as well just call her “The Jester”.
Pity. I would love a Batman show set in the 1930's...if it was actually accurate to the era. But here we have lesbians snogging in public, an amazingly diverse police force (I guess there's no need for the civil rights movement. There was no racism and segregation in the '30's apparently.) and a baffling amount of fat characters.
If you want a good Batman story that's set during the IRL Golden Age of comics, look up the Batfeed's Batman 1919-1939 series. It's pretty good.
Step one of the "Four steps for ideological subversion" (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985)
Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. *To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism,* the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. *Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance.*
Communism and Religion
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”
Eliminating American exceptionalism, *fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.*
Art is cultural and social history. Batman was created in 1939 and is a part of the personal history of millions of fans of the IP. According to these Liberal activists, the originals were flawed and need to be changed to fit atheistic, Liberal Marxist ideologies.
From BBC Arts
In Munich, Adolf Hitler staged two exhibitions which defined the way we think about modern art. The Great German Art show displayed the artists he approved of, the Degenerate Art show displayed the artists he despised. In these two exhibitions, mounted side by side in adjacent galleries, the battle lines were drawn between traditionalism and modernism. It’s a battle that’s still being fought today.
Do you like art that’s realistic and reassuring? Or do you prefer art that’s experimental or disturbing? Maybe you like a bit of both - in which case, you’re like a lot of people who went to see these shows.
The Nazis wanted people to see both shows, but they didn’t want people to make up their own minds. The idea was to see the Degenerate Art show, and see how German art had been debased - and then see the Great German Art show, and see how the Nazis has redeemed it.
---You may have an art gallery in your mind comparing the traditional Batman (or other established IP) to the new "modern audience" versions, coming to the conclusion the modern versions are depraved, bastardized versions of what came before.
Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired.
You are not meant to accept the "modern" versions, that is only for the small, vocal minority on social media. You are meant to reject the modern art and look for someone, like Donald John Trump, who will come in and do a course correction for the United States, removing the Liberals so we can Make America Great Again.
It's simple Hegelian Dialectic (Problem, Reaction, Solution)
Republican Agenda Project 2025
*The actions of liberal politicians in Washington have created a desperate need* and unique opportunity for conservatives to start undoing *the damage the Left has wrought (PROBLEM)* and build a better country for all Americans in 2025.
It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. *If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place (REACTION),* ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration.
This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative administration: a policy agenda, personnel, training, and a 180-day playbook.
The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. *With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government (SOLUTION).*
The 2025 Presidential Transition Project is being organized by The Heritage Foundation and builds off Heritage’s longstanding “Mandate for Leadership,” which has been highly influential for presidential administrations since the Reagan era. Most recently, the Trump administration relied heavily on Heritage’s “Mandate” for policy guidance, embracing nearly two-thirds of Heritage’s proposals within just one year in office.
All of this is leading to a Conservative revolution and a fascist regime being the solution to the growing Liberal Marxist problem.
Actually some of the rogues being outwardly racist as well as some of the police officers would have brought this to another level.
@@JacobPaul-ix7oc WTF does any of this have to do with this show?
Excerpt from US Public Law One zero two Dash One Four containing the "Seven laws of Noah" endorsed by every President since Jimmy Carter, with Reagan and Trump being the biggest supporters of the Noah Laws.
Whereas Congress recognizes *the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our, great Nation was founded;*
Whereas *these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noa/hide Laws;*
Whereas *without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos; Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;* Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;
Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world; Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991: Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, “the rebbe”, this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of “education and giving”, the year in which we turn to education and charity to *return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven No/ahide Laws:*
The Noah laws are endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Jews, the two religions which dominate the US Supreme Court.
Donald Trump is a descendent of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne. Donald Trump is also a huge supporter of Israel and was deemed to be the new "King Cyrus" by Israel. This is the same Trump who received the Kabbalah "Tree of Life" from Hasidic Jews for his support of the nation of Israel, and as we all know, was bailed out of bankruptcy by Jewish bankers many years ago. The same Donald Trump was also called the "greatest supporter of Noah Laws in US History" by Israel national news in 2020 when they urged Americans to vote for him in support of the Noah laws and to combat liberal Marxist ideologies and immorality such as abortion and homosexual marriages.
Titus 1:10-16
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Unbelieving Torah Jews)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 *Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.* (Babylonian Talmud, which the Seven Laws of Noah are derived from.)
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
The following is a partial listing of the No/ahide Laws as derived from the Babylonian Talmud. Three of these Laws require the death penalty by guillotine when broken: Blasphemy, Idolatry and Sexual Immorality. (Note: Unlike in the Old and New Testament teaching “By the mouth of two or more witnesses..”, these Laws only require one accuser for the accused to be brought to the courts and condemned.)
Idolatry:
Must worship God alone.
*Must not worship any man (ie: Jesus) as God.*
No idols or statues. Do not bow to idols or statues. Do not offer sacrifices to idols or statues.
Blasphemy:
Do not curse God.
Do not use God's name in vain.
*Worship the true God alone, do not worship false gods. (Worshiping Jesus is also seen as blasphemy.)*
Murder:
Against murdering anyone, self defense is permitted.
*Mass murderers will be given the death penalty. (Abortion is classified as mass murder.)*
Theft--Do not:
Steal.
Rob.
Overcharge -Have you noticed how many of today’s large corporations seem to be pushing the “progressive” message about “fairness, PRIDE, tolerance, inclusion, diversity, equity” while also overcharging for their products? And how many of these corporations are known to overwork and underpay their workers, reaping huge profits for themselves as they commit wage theft?
Kidnap.
Move a landmark. (Probably not good for BLM/Antifa activists who tear down historical landmarks.)
Do not use false weights and measurements
Do Not Covet
Sexual Immorality-No:
Bestiality
Incest
*Homosexuality*
Justice Laws-Against:
Bribery
Favoritism
Condemning the Innocent
Must-
*Administer the death penalty*
Treat people equally before the law
What is the “7 Mountains Mandate” (Dominionism/Dominion Theology)? Supposedly there are 7 “mountains” of global society-Arts and Entertainment, Education, Economy, Family, Government and Military, Media and Religion. (Note: The US voting machines are called “Dominion”.) According to this false teaching, by conquering these 7 “mountains”, the Kingdom of God will be established.
In the series 'Oswalda' Cobblepot (the character's actual name, I kid you not) appears to have two natural born sons - as in sons she gave birth to - so this version of the Penguin is a biological woman for some reason (she goes on to have one of those sons killed in cold blood, and then tries to kill the other one, because one of them betrayed her criminal enterprise - safe to say she isn't going to win any 'mother of the year' competitions). Also, in the comics and broader source material, the Penguin is called the Penguin as a snide nickname referring to his very short stature, rotund build, and generally unprepossessing appearance that loosely resembles a penguin. It is a term of contempt he took for his own as a mob nickname used to inspire fear. In this version, however, the Penguin thing appears to be part of Cobblepot's schtick; a persona she adopts as a component of her cabaret act. She is a tall professional performer (at least in the legitimate side of her business) who is confident, comfortable in her own skin, given to flirting with members of her audience, and is presented as a domineering, somewhat extroverted personality in complete contrast to what the Penguin should be.
Lol they took a male villain who
was a tragic, disrespected character
& Turned him into a Mary Sue
badass.
The disrespect for the character smh! We always hated penguin and didn't think much of him until we saw him in The Batman where he gave Batman major problems and all he has was a freaking Benz and a measley automatic pistol That chase scene damn near made the movie I can't wait for the HBO Max series idgaf
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Yeah she wasn't a Mary sue. She got taken out in the first episode and was never seen again
maybe they thought she was a "Queen/Empress" Penguin. As opposed to "King or Emperor Penguin"......
The "Rockhopper" penguin look Oswald had in The Batman cartoon in the 2000s was done quite well. Voiced by Spongebob Squarepants I believe.
People may love X-Men 97 but to me its just as much a hot mess than Caped Crusader. Actually its worse....
I liked the character quite a bit. Is it the Peguin we grew up with? No.. was it a good character, yes.
never knew the 1940s was more diverse and gender inclusive then it is today
The show is not set in the 1940s. Just like the original cartoon wasn’t set in the 30s & 40s. It’s an aesthetic, of a fictional world.
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No you’re wrong caped crusader takes place in the 1940s
@@comichead8431cant say that when they stated they wanted to have it set in the 40s
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Two things were unintentionally hilarious in this show 1.) Catwoman summoning a Black Panther on Batman mid jewel-heist. Did she train it to hide in the shadows and sneak it into the museum off-screen?
2.) Batman hiding on the ceiling to elude the cops...in a hallway engulfed in smoke from the building actively burning down. With no respirator.
I rewatch Justice League and Justice League Unlimited all the time because they’re freaking amazing. Starcrossed and the Cadmus arc are peak fiction.
What the hell was this?
Am I the only one who doesn't like the Cadmus Arc?
@@TheBackseaterYT …………Why? It’s such great storytelling
@@StarcrossedFlash The whole thing just felt so nonsensical. Hear me out on this.
The whole thing is supposed to be a discussion on if superheroes can be a bad thing, with Cadmus bringing up the times that Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid in STAS and the Justice Lords fiasco from JL. Cadmus spends most of their time in JLU preparing for that to happen, even teaming up with Lex Luthor in the process.
It just felt so stupid to me because, yes, IRL vigilante organizations could very well be a bad thing, but in the DCU, costumed supervillains and alien invasions are recurring menaces, and superheroes have regularly thwarted them time and time again. So, the whole thing just came across like the government being needlessly paranoid of a bunch of people who have next to reason to ever turn evil.
The writers pretty much realized how dumb it was by having the whole thing be upended by Brainiac showing back up, and the only real consequence of it all was King Faraday becoming the JL's liaison. The whole thing just looked like the writers had no idea what message they were trying to get across, and the whole thing is darn near pointless.
@@TheBackseaterYTI disagree……..extremely.
It’s not nonsensical to have preparations just in case this superpowered army with no supervision goes rogue. The Justice League had proven themselves time and time again, but the US government doesn’t rely on faith, especially with Legacy, the Justice Lords, and the pure might of the JLU. Not to mention accepting Hawkgirl back, who’s seen as a traitor by everyone but the founding members. It’s not about how superheroes can be bad. It’s about what happens if they start crossing lines.
Cadmus was wrong specifically for their brutal conduct and methods of development, but as a concept, they have a lot of merit. Plus, they just prefer having loyalist metahumans for its own sake. If their own metahumans can stop a rogue Justice League, they can stop basically whatever the League can.
And Brainiac? This was hinted at since Superman TAS. And his point in all this was amplifying the major flaw of Cadmus: LETTING LUTHOR FUND THE ENTIRE THING!
Cadmus was supported entirely by Luthor. Waller admitted that being a mistake herself. They knew he was a snake, and they still let him bite them. Thus, there’s no way the President would let them continue after such a blunder. While their forces were busy losing to the Justice League, Brainiac was about to become an omnipotent android, but that’s where Batman came in, then Waller set aside their differences and had the founding members on standby to stop Luthor. Thus, Cadmus and the League, in a way, came together to stop the puppet master.
Pointless? Let’s see……Waller becoming their liaison and deciding to create Terry McGinnis, giving us that masterpiece episode about fate vs free will. Luthor becoming obsessed with Brainiac to the point where he accidentally resurrects DARKSEID, eventually leading to Luthor’s own demise. The Metro Tower to prove that they’re getting closer to the people now.
@@StarcrossedFlash Cadmus ark is a true ending for justice league unlimited for me, I don't like legion of doom in final season and resurrection of Darkside for last episode
98% critic score.
What a f*cking joke.
The higher the critic score means the harder the movie pushes a political agenda. Today’s critics do not care about entertainment quality. They only care that a movie pushes “the message”.
I say it’s a solid 85%
@@kevinemmers7025 Could it possibly be, also, that times change, and nobody wants to cater to the delicate snowflake feelings of incels and neckbeards, anymore?
@@mattbrendlen Could it be that also the audiences finally said "enough is enough" after seeing the Nth movie pushing the woke message and race-swapping already perfectly well-established characters instead of making new ones and actually being creative?
@@ad1kher0gaming71 It's more likely that the internet is full of crybaby incels who don't understand that you can still enjoy your old sacred cartoons while other people might enjoy this new stuff.
Nobody ruined anything... they just made a new thing that you didn't like. Which is fine... it's fine for you to not like things... but you need to stop blaming everything on the "Woke boogeyman"...
If you want everything to stay the same and never change, boy have I got some bad news for you, kiddo...
My advice would be to go back and watch the old cartoons... and nothing else. And don't forget to call your mommy and have her sing your favorite bedtime song over the phone for you, so everything can go back to the way it was...
There is only 1 successor to Batman the Animated Series....
Batman Beyond.
*Paul Dini* was the genius behind the 90's stuff..not Timm.
It’s another fine day in bizarro world. Their mission is to destroy everything you love.
Who would have thought that Paul Dini, the guy who struggled with women and self-confidence issues (very relatable for a lot of us), was the true genius of Batman: The Animated Series and Bruce Timm got way too much credit.
I had always assumed Paul Dini was the genius behind the original show. For some reason had thought everyone had always given him the credit. Now I'm confused to hear otherwise.
@@sheshotjfk8375 you should read Dark Knight: A True Batman Story that shows Dini's internal struggles with confidence in life while working for Batman The Animated Series. Guy thought about killing himself at one point. It's an interesting comic.
The second I saw Penguin was now a female…turned it off.
The worst crime is the new generation of young people saying the writing today of Batman is just as good as the Original Animated Series or Batman Beyond. Those stories were mature stories pretending to be a kids show. They were smart, and respected the audience enough to make you think, rather than just present content for shock value.
"In my times..."🤦♂
@Miguel Angel LS Who are you quoting yourself?
Nobodies agreeing with your dismissive comment.
@@doclouis4236 I'm not quoting myself. It's the feeling I read in the comment. "The series I grew up with were the good ones, unlike the current ones that are all bad". Every series, even BTAS has some problems. But the idea is to put your brain a little in stand by and enjoy the ride.
And the "now it's all shock value"... Do I have to bring Bugs Bunny here? Lobo? Sláine? Image Comics in general?
Oh, so you're being a contrarian and not acknowledging any of the points that the guy in the video mentioned or the comment you were originally replying too. Well that explains it. You have recency bias and don't want to admit that you're just lashing out at comments you disagree with.
@@doclouis4236 I've been reading comics since the 80s. When did you started?
I've seen diamonds in comic AND I've seen shit in THE SAME comics. That's why I say that "the comics of today are based on shock value" is a "voluntary alzheimer" comment. In the 80s, 90s, 00s there were LOTS of shock value based comics.
And about the video... if he doesn't understand what that version of Penguin is ("is it a trans?") when they say it really clear ("our mother") means either he hasn't seen the series, he has seen it like a porn movie (forward-forward-forward) or was doing "something else" while pretending to see it.
Or the worst option: he saw the series but has an ax to grind and doesn't give a shit if what he says is right or not.
Why the 7 hells would Batman hold back from fighting the Penguin? She killed many people at the start of the show!
Because Woke Batman can't punch a woman!
But they were really bad people that got killed at the start of the show. When Batman as Bruce Wayne escaped into the water on Penguin's boat I thought he was going to save her son from drowning and then use him to convict his mother. Nope, he unknowingly let him die a horrible death. In fact, Batman let lots of people die in this show including the damsel in distress in the Clay Face episode. If Montanya wasn't there the woman would've been sliced in half because Batman was too busy bumbling around fighting a washed-up actor that was able to be a challenging fighter.
@@riopato2009 Oh, that alone should enrage the Batman fan. He let many people die and shown himself to be a failure against Harley and a hero. A POC female with less training saves him and holds back against a mass murderer.
If he had blowback against him beating female Penguin bloody, that would be better than letting her shoot a whole Police Building. The Coast Guard would be in their right to light up the boat and kill the people on the boat to stop her from shooting the cannon or at least give her the death penalty.
Showing him nearly die to Harley shows lack of investigation skills and a complete failure.
Penguin: you wouldn't hit a lady would you?
Batman: ...THE HAMMER OF JUSTICE IS UNISEX!!!!!!!!! *beats the crap outta her*
@@verindictus3639 That's the opposite of woke. Treating women like they can't fight is very patriarchal. Although, now that I think about it, in the supposedly "progressive" current Hollywood, they have made a lot of action movies where women heroines beat up man villains. But I can't think of a single example of a movie where the hero is a man and beats up a woman villain.
I guess Hollywood is not as woke as we think it is.
This show made me start rewatching the animated series. BTAS is literally better in EVERYWAY. Animation, characters, grit, i cant think of one area this show succeeds.
“Didn’t hire any GOOD mystery writers” that’s correct both Matt Reeves and JJ Abrams are terrible at writing mysteries. Majority of the issues in this show are similar ones to “The Batman.”
The moment Batman stupidly let Penguin fire a missile into Gotham City in Episode 1 I knew we were in trouble.
because it was early in Batman's career, when he still made mistakes like that
Batman is character with flaws. He can't always be perfect especially since this is super early in his career
The moment i saw "The PEGGuin" i knew we were in trouble.
😂😂 man u should not watch tv
@@scarecrow730 Agreed, especially when this is the quality of shows we're getting. 😆
It's a Batman universe that nobody wants to see now.
Wow.. as if Harley Quinn being DC's cash cow in recent years wasnt bad enough, but Timm and everyone involved in the show just have to give her the Velma treatment.
I'm glad I've been replaying Batman Arkham Knight for months. I put in almost 400 hours total.
Curious. Did the 10 episodes of Caped Crusader seem like a slog whereas the 400 hours on Arkham Knight seem brisk by comparison?
@@g-unit7625 yes. Every episode was 26 minutes of mindless boring unimaginative storytelling. Each installment felt longer than its running length.
@@riopato2009I still hate the Riddler trophies. Only side quest I haven't finished in City, Origins and Knight.
The Arkham games are all absolute bangers. Not just some of the best superhero games ever made, but some of the best video games ever made.
Watching this show made me want to watch an actual masterpiece, that being the Batman animated series
The reason why Batman TAS and Beyond succeeded is because of Paul Dini. Bruce Timm is there ofc but Paul Dini was the main reason
In (somewhat half-hearted) defense of Batman/Batgirl, when Barbara Gordon was first introduced in the comics, she was much closer in age to Bruce Wayne than BTAS would later depict her as being.
Bruce Timm went down hill a long while with Batman and Harley Quinn, The Killing Joke. This is what happens when you don't have Paul Dani and many other people who work on the DCAU to work on this show. I have hopes for this show but now seeing him teaming up with JJ Abrams just only make things worst and proving South Park to be right once again. And what really annoys me is that I'm sick and tired of these studios and Hollywood modernization old timeline that won't work back then because for 1940's their sure are lot of diverse people either stick how the timeline works or don't do it at all.
One of the best critiques I’ve seen for this show. Glad I watched!
Batman in the show actually says it feels like there’s no point to what he does after he takes down one crime boss and this ends up with the other retaking more territory which is moronic Batman is all about the eternal war on crime as well if he’s taken down one boss this just means he can focus solely on the other. This show is so bad...
I mean, the old cartoon did that once. Batman was a bit weary about the grind. They spelled it out in the dialogue. But in the end, he went right back at it because he knew he had to.
@@SamtheBravesFan And in that episode, his being unable to prevent Gordon from getting shot and being wrongfully blamed by Bullock was enough to break his spirits. He had a reason to feel like quitting was an option.
To put it simply, these people are creatively bankrupt
I’m a BIG Batman fan and this 10 episode season is a slog at times. Placing modern 21st century social attitudes in a show set in the 1940s SIMPLY DOESN’T FIT. It’s unfortunate that institutional racism existed then but that’s the way it was. A contemporary setting would have worked much better for what they wanted to do . But they wanted it both ways and this show makes questionable choices, story-wise. The Batman platform is surprisingly durable and adaptable. But it seems like they made all the wrong choices. I’ll finish the season but I doubt I’ll return to it.
Season 2 has to be an improvement but if Barbara ends up sleeping with Batman, which is obvious this is the setup, then Bruce Timm is solely responsible for ruining a really good potential of a series. Doubt there will be a season 3 after this.
The thing is the could push these social messages by telling engaging stories. A black commissioner of police in 1940? How’d he get there? What did he do to break those boundaries? Who’d he make mad? Who did he take down? Tell THAT story!
The sad thing is, it IS possible to tell a story set in the early-to-mid twentieth century with diverse characters and NOT have it turn into a racial morality play. Simply make the setting as unconventional as the cast. Set it in Greenwich Village in New York, perhaps, and make all the characters bohemian artists and such. Or make them all communists, because then not only would they genuinely believe in racial equality, but they'd all face the same discrimination from society because all communists were considered equally bad. Sure, the show would get called "lefty," but if you do ANY kind of diverse period show you'll get called lefty anyway. You might as well be brave about it.
@@SeasideDetective2 "Or make them all communists, because then not only would they genuinely believe in racial equality..." Oh boy, should someone tell him?
@@patchmoulton5438 Tell me what?
What was the problem with the original Penguin? And what does a female version of Penguin add to the lore or to anything at all?
Thorias, you completely covered everything. Thorough is an understatement. Awesome job.
Nothing happened to Bruce Timm. This is him showing his true colors. Paul Dini is the real genius. Keep in mind he was the head writer for the animated series and the first two Batman Arkham Games. Bruce Timm is given too much credit than he actually deserves.
Then explain the Justice League shows. Apparently those were all Timm.
@@NEWT8300 explain everything after Justice League
@@NEWT8300 one name to explain Dwayne. If you get it you get it if not I can not help you.
@@NEWT8300 Timm's weirdness was infecting those shows, too. Just not to the same degree that he's unleashed now.
So far your’s is the most honest review I’ve heard
I was upset the entire time watching the show. ( im a adult black man. I have to put this in so people dont think im being racist)
Gordan is a Black man.
Harley is some type sponge built Asian woman.
Penguin is a boss type hyper agressive woman.
Catwoman legit pissed me off how chessy she was.
The women in the show are about as feminist as you can get.
I feel asleep on every single episode.
EXCELLENT REVIEW!!! You're right about EVERYTHING you said. The thing that shocked me THE MOST was that this was the FIRST Batman show that had me falling asleep, and coming back to finish it the next day. The episodes just don't draw me in and it IS a pretty boring show. Batman fights like he just finished his (Tai.,Kwon-Do ) classes .. HORRIBLE action scenes.,
All the D.E.I. in what appears to be the 1930s or 1940s really stuck out like a sore thumb...
As an avid history buff It's so hard to not then think to oneself, "So, no need for the civil rights movement in this universe I guess?" and "I wonder if Lois Lane is the editor and chief of the Daily Planet in this universe?" and if you're paying attention to modern comics and D.E.I. tropes "Are they gonna make Harley, Ivy and Barbara a 3 person gay open relationship?".
This is around WWII mind you.
I really enjoyed this review . . . you included all the things I felt along the way but articulated them much better. Thanks for not pulling the punches on this one!
When I was watching this, it felt off and odd, then the Penguin was presented on screen. It was at that moment I turned it off.
Idk what you mean about Bruce and Two Face, Batman was so affected by what happened to Two Face that they had me believing he’d shoot and kill, which is also a play off Batman’s Golden Age. That last episode was masterful.
You're right. They do want to have it both ways. But you know what they say: You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If this is cartoon was accurate to the 1940's, people would find it offensive and problematic, but by making it politically correct, you alienate viewers and people will complain about it.
All the show had to do is make a 40s themed detective noir show that adapts Bill Finger Bob Kane era Batman comics.
Instead we get Bruce Timm’s fanfiction of Batman.
I had a tricky time growing up trying to decide whether period pieces were more annoying to me when they hit me over the head with a "People were racist back then!" tirade or when they sugarcoated the period with politically correct casting. I always found the former more offensive: I don't like it when the left preaches at me any more than when the right preaches at me.
There is a third option, though. You can always do exactly what filmmakers in the actual '40s did: make everyone white so they'll get along racially, thereby ducking the issue entirely. Yes, people would complain at first, but most of them would come to understand. You can always reboot the show in the present day if the ratings drop too dramatically.
@@SeasideDetective2 This show being bad has nothing to do with having a variety of races in the 40s- it's just poorly written. Race or gender swapping fictional characters can work it's how you write them.
Nobody would have cared if the whole show was white hello? How is the left "preaching" at you anyway? By having minorities exist and having two chicks kiss? These things can work but again- it's just bad writing. Even in the original BTAS you had Harley and Ivy borderline together (there's heavy hinting).
"They" this, "They" that. You sound scared.
But the thing is that the 40s in the series is not OUR 40s. There can be all the differences they want. If it was our 40s, explain Clayface or Nocturne.
oh my... 😮💨 thank you for the honest review! So happy to know this piece of media will never be on any of my watchlists.
It's not identity politics. "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past."
Darkseid gave up on the anti-life equation and went with the woke virus.
Idk about the comic, however What happened to the series, is they hired JJ the destroyer of franchises abrahams to direct the show. When I hear, jj abrams is apart of a movie or show, I have zero interest in it.
Yeah seeing him attached to the project is definitely a big red flag. JJ is a hack.
I don't know why on Earth the studios keep giving Abrams big franchise IPs. He destroys every one he touches.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 I 🤔if JJ knows where the bodies are buried?
@@thoriasunlimited4053 It's so weird, he's not exactly had a break-out success, never made a great movie or franchise and yet he's given everything.
@@danielebowman IIRC it was because of his wife. She has a lot of connections in Hollywood.
Man you nailed this review. The DEI angle was immediately infuriating when I saw Gordon. You cannot explain that for the time period. I was instantly done. The Harley review is spot on in it's insanity and the penguin just about killed me. Like why? Then the she penguin instantly kills a child on speculation alone. Simply crazy.
Was really looking forward to this show, as well as your review
You are 100% spot on. I couldn’t get past the first episode.
And now we know Paul Dini was the real creative genius behind the success of the so-called "Timmverse". Now we know that Dini was to Timm what Perlmutter was to Feige.
Except Bruce Timm was fully in charge of the JL shows and while they weren’t on the level of BTAS, they were still fantastic shows. Timm just lost his touch at some point.
@@NEWT8300 But it was Dwayne McDuffie who became in charge of story on Justice League. Remember it didn't have a great first season, McDuffie took over season 2 and it became fantastic. Lt's not think Timm had a perfect record here, his success has largely been due to having fantastic writers and story editors who did their own work and who reigned him in. Remember it was Dini who wrote the best Batman Animated stories and created Harley Quinn.
After the halfway point of this video I was completely over the idea of ever giving this a chance. What a dumpster fire.
Oh well, back to playing Batman Vengeance and watching Batman Beyond.
Bruce Timm isn't a writer. He is a famous artist though.
"This is the Batman show that we really wanted to make back then" they say.
Ironically, the one that was stifled by TV age rating/child sensitivity is still the superior one even decades later.
TAS had a lot of Paul Dini's involvement who is awesome and respects the DC lore a lot more than Timm, sadly Dini is not involved here besides Bruce Timm sadly now days seems to have fallen under the woke pill. He gave an interview months ago about "it'll be more inclusive, blah, blah, blah" same thing X-Men 97 show did with the Morph non-binary thing, the subtle innuendos at times and some other questionable choices. I think personally both are alright but neither nearly as good as their 90's counterparts to be honest. Not a fan of the race and gender swaps but I guess to be fair here, it's a different universe set in the 40's but I digress. Wasn't a fan of gender swapped Penguin. But yeah, I do wish we could get just a comic show from DC and Marvel without anything PC or any kind of messages involved but we're in 2024 so sadly that ain't going to happen. I'm surprised Catwoman looked as sexy as she does tbh though.
Bruce Timm should get visit from russian radical feminazis called the"NutCrackers"! Also where are his purple gloves and guns?
Problem with the race/gender swap in this show, is the fact it’s suppose to be the 1940’s. This show heavily marketed around being an Elseworld period piece. But there nothing here that indicates that. Way too diverse for that time period. There not even a reference to WWII for petesakes? It like they want to keep their cake and eat.
@ffjj3964 Yeah honestly the raceswap especially for the 40's probably wouldn't work, yet at the same time unlike the X-Men show which takes place in the same universe they pretty much said "hmm let's change this character, that character, these relationships, kill off those favs because"
The Batman show while no where close to TAS is it's own thing, entirely different universe so from a multiversal perspective it technically makes sense regardless of the flaws. I'm against the race and genderswapping, but at the same time it's an entirely different universe so I find it slightly more tolerable than messing around with an already established universe(Thank God this isn't the same universe as TAS) I think even they knew better especially Timm....
At the end of the day it's still an elseworld period piece and elseworld/alternate reality though, may not be executed the best but it's still another universe regardless.
The WWII thing to be fair, Watchmen changed things in history in that universe that didn't happen the same exact way like the Vietnam War for example. That stuff doesn't matter to me as much as what would be more appropriate for that time period.
@@MKF30 Here’s a question: If you plan on doing a Period-Piece, what’s the point to have any about said era? Like you could easy change the look to a modern setting and nothing would change. Like this show suppose to be in an era with no Mobile Phones or Computers, yet that never comes into play.
The show doesn’t care about the historical accuracy with society. Any historical events at the time. Or bother with any historical handicaps. So I ask, why did they set this in the 1940’s at all?
@@ffjj3964 I think you can do a period piece so long as you follow *most* rules of that era, but that doesn't mean you have to follow *all* however so long as its a fictional thing you're doing..
Red Son, Watchmen among many other DC elseworlds or alternate universes don't follow real history to a T or they altered things at times, but those stories overall are much better than this one thus people forgive it. Is all I'm saying...
They set it in the 40's for that Noir style Batman, personally I wouldn't have done it in the 40's as some of their changes just don't make much sense for that era. However, everything else doesn't have to be 100% accurate/reality since this is fiction too at the end of the day. There's a whole video about how Superman and Spider-Man technically can't work due to real life physics...but do you care about that stuff I ask? All I'm saying is not everything has to be 100% realistic in a fictional piece in general then it's not fiction at that point it's just reality and reality purely is boring.
I respect your opinion though and hear ya.
This made me feel so much better. Iv only seen Ep 1. After finishing it I was so disappointed i wanted to find out if im in the minority who think its just badly written Your analysis is spot on. I feel better now.
So, what of the odds of this Batman cartoon be actually focused on Batman ? These days you can never be sure.
It's not. Fortunately, I guess, because the little characterization Bruce has is abysmal
Thank you for taking one for the team. Having boycotted woke garbage, I pop my head out now and then just to check if it's safe to return.
TAS had Paul Dini. And some great directors and writers too, like Len Wein. Aaand JJ destroys anything he touches.
THANK YOU, FINALLY someone says it how it is 👏
I hate how people defend this new series, knowing the writers are just pandering just to get a season 2 😒 Paul Dini Understands batman
It's really Paul Dini and Dwayne McDuffie you should credit for the greatest of the DCAU shows.
02:27 says it all. JarJar Abrams destroys another franchise.
I weep for what new Batman lore has become. It's soooo bad.
First of all this Batman looks like wolverine. And the penguin looks like Maryln Manson.
One thing I don't like about the show among others, os how they had Bruce treat Alfred, in no other iterations have I seen bruce treat Alfred like dirt...
the caped crusader had the magic about the looks of the characters, the citys atmosphere and some story plots were decent,,, but race swap and killing of the gingers were an turnoff.
As soon as I saw their penguin, I knew what type of show it would be, so I stopped right there.
I didn't even get past the first scene of The Penguin singing. At first I thought for myself, on weird The Penguin has a singer that looks like him. After checking the credits, immediately closed the show. Too bad, as he said they had such potential, and I was super excited after watching the opening credits.
I thought the same thing when I watched that scene until after in the boat when Bruce is referring to penguin as she and I was like nope time to shut this bs off
He was always this way the only reason the DCAU needed as good as it did was because it had Paul Dini, Alan Burnett and Dwayne Mcduffy
The adaptation of Justice League New Frontier is still the high point in DC’s animated slate. It’s essentially the Green Lantern movie we should have gotten. And it’s brimming with such hope and optimism. And the insert of JFK’s New Frontier speech at the end had me in tears. For anyone who loves everything good about superheroes, I highly recommend reading the graphic novel or watching the movie.
It's crazy that just a few years ago, Paul Dini and Alan Burnett came back three times to write the Batman The Adventures Continue comics and those while flawed at times are way better than what Bruce Timm made for this show.
They made the penguin a from a 4-ft 10 man with deformities and facial features that made him look like a penguin, into a 6 ft 1 woman that has a jewish nose.
The common thread in cinema for over a decade has been BAD WRITING. It’s so bad, even talented directors can’t overcome the garbage writing. Add corporate agenda mandates and it’s a perfect recipe for mediocrity.
1:25 I thought Young Justice was pretty good how the characters grew up as people but not only the character themselves even the animation got better
Everything I've seen has been in agreement that this show is a trainwreck of a dumpster fire.
I disagree totally. I didn't watch the animated series during the nineties because I watched no TV at all during the nineties. So I decided after watching three episodes of the caped crusader to watch some of the animated series. I could see how if I had grown up on this, I would have been a diehard fan, but I found it ridiculous and too ADHD for my taste. I noticed as I returned back to the caped crusader, I found the focus was much more on relationships between the characters and much deeper tones. I like the new. But hey, that's just my opinion.
The best they can come up with is Rule 63. How sad.
Wich one that exactly?
Already know rule 34!😅
@@erikbihari3625 Rule 63 just means changing the character to the opposite sex.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628. Right, are there any other rules? Outdoors kid here.
There's a rules of the internet page on TV Tropes but the rules originated from 4Chan
Bruce Timm ruins everything Batman related. Remember The Killing Joke adaptation? I rest my case. I just finished watching the last episode and not one stood out as "great". My overall opinion? MEH. I was excited about it until I watched it. It's just left-over, luke-warm BATS with killing and poor stories.
Great to see you again 👍
Back in the day, a full season was 60 episodes. Now they barely give you 12 😂. Can't tell a full detailed story in a short time
You can actually it’s been done before it’s just this show doesn’t even have any story to tell it’s just woke shit
It seems Timm was only good when he had great writers like Dwayne McDuffie, Stan Berkowitz and Paul Dini to back him up. He did Superman Doomsday, which was basically a precursor to Zack Snyder’s edgelord Superman and Batman The Killing Joke, which featured an additional 20 minutes that was basically “Barbara Gordon is thirsty for the Bat-D”
Not far off from Batman 66
There since she was
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Yeah, except she was a full grown woman who was a librarian and independent from Prep-Time Man.
Great review man
11:40 looks like Harley is creeping up behind you
honestly this was all my feelings in a nutshell. Batman and Superman have always been dc's classic fall back on characters when they needed steady money, or a new comic line. And the few episodes they have out feel like a hallow fanfiction that misses every mark but has some interesting idea's that really don't go anywhere.
EVERYTHING coming from Hollywood is mediocre. Hiring based on DEI guarantees mediocre at best. All the best stories are coming out of South Korea and Japanese anime.
Go WOKE GO BROKE
If there's one thing I've learned about Bruce Timm over the past few years is that he is part of the crowd that is pushing all this woke garbage. He's just showing who he really is right now.
Agreed with you with almost everything except:
-Catwoman: in her first comic appearance she was portrayed as rich and the purple costume with the cape did include high heels.
-Their take on Clayface, the original Basil Karlo, wore almost the same thing except the scarf.
Was anyone else getting a bit of a "Velma" vibe from this series? Nearly all the "good guys" were POC, and nearly all the "bad guys" were white males. In fact, I may be wrong, but (in the episodes I've watched so far) has there been any white male who was not either corrupt, a weakling, or an out-and-out villain? Except ffor Batman and Alfred, whom Bruce weirdly calls "Pennyworth" thoughout.
Velma (ish) but this show seems to have a lot of people loving it, while I don't recall reading any +ve comments about Velma.
Your reading way to deep into this. Literally one of the villains is an Asian-American Harley Quinn and we have a gender-swapped Penguin too. Firebug wasn't really a villain more of a tool in his episode, Flask and Bullock were the real villains and guess what? Flask is black. We also have Catwoman too. Then there's Noctura who's just a child. It's merely a coincidence. Also Bruce calling Alfred, "Pennyworth", is supposed to be weird! Because he's built up walls and keeps people at a distance! And he slowly undoes that and calls him Alfred in the final episode!
There was one white male GCPD detective who seemed to be a good guy, a good cop and not a pushover, but then he tried to kill Barbara for the money when someone put a hit on her, so...
even Bruce/Batman is a douchebag
I just saw the Clayface episode, and I noticed that there's not ONE white blond woman in the glamorous 40s Hollywood 😂😂. All the "sex symbols" are black or dark skinned. Progressive I guess? 😂😂 God, this is so awful
Remember that BATMAN was not his sole creation. It was co created with Eric Radomski. Without Radomski, Dini, Shirley Walker and many other there is not Batman TAS. He alone with a new team always produce trash. He is just a "good" artist, but a horrible writer and director.