My dad be telling me that because I lifted a 20 lb dumbell once in middle school that I stunted my growth. Like bruh you and me and the same height smh...
Plus bodyweight exercises force kids to move a lot of weight, such as a push up....and kids sprint and jump, dance, etc. Crazy how people can't let the fear of weights go. It's even safer because you can vary the resistance perfectly.
where? no where do I see anyone pushing 235 nor doing reps other than the clip of them front squatting. literally all other lifts are singles and no where near 235lbs...
The one girl in the middle of the video looked to be pulling at least 240 in that rack... She's got two 45lbs steel/iron wheels and a either 5s or 10s on each side... Plus there's the weight of those bumper plates, and Olympic bars are 45lbs... I'll go ahead and call it 255lb... Either way, she's ridiculously strong in the deadlift... When I saw those three wheels I instantly thought 315lbs plus change cuz you recognize weight ranges by the wheels on the bar due to experience over the years.
Early on the post and the comment section has an avg IQ of 80 as of now, with people demonizing weightlifting for kids and promoting bodyweight exercises, which is funny because it assures you they think there is difference between using barbells/dumbells and using your own body to create resistance. Yes, lifting young probably won't bring about a lot of hypertrophy gains, but it definitely will bring strenght gains and it's a great way to ensure they develop a balanced body, keep their ormones and metabolism healthy and it will help with posture. Also really usefull on the mental health side of things
Honestly I feel like the best part is forming a good habit. A lot people have a hard time consistently weight training as an adult, but if you build the habit young, it tends to stick.
Body weight exercise is strength lifting lmao just safer and better for kids, they should learn first how to do proper push ups, then pull ups, not jump straight away to swinging heavy dumbbells for shitty curls or ego deadlift, which some of y’all obnoxious dbags are preaching 🤣
Dude I swear everytime I think of a genuine fitness question or concern you put out a video about within 2 days. One time it happened literally seconds after I finished my thought, it was kinda freaky ngl..
"Great weight lifters aren't very tall" Could easily be explained by mechanical lifting factors that favor lifters with a more compact frame vs lifters with longer frames.
i have another theory, as a short torso long legs gal. The most athletic people i have seen are usually long torso short leg people (not in endurance but lifting, calisthenics, gymnastics). I can’t unsee it anymore but might have a confirmation bias. My theory is that the weight distribution and center of mass is just ideal for this sort of body type and therefore performance is optimised. Don’t quote me tho
@@thegreat9481 Kind of, yes lol. Unless your child has degenerative bone diseases or some congenital issue.. I’ve lifted since I was 12, now I’m 6’2” and I’m only 18. The only impact it had was now I’m crazy strong 6 years ahead of most people
@Bolang no it's not, it doesn't stretches your "bones" (that's like saying it can stretch metal) it stretches your ligaments and joints, and then once you land it'll shrink back to its usual size because your joints are literally like sponge 🧽
This comment section is a case study into people sticking to their unsubstantiated, preconceived notions when in the face of overwhelming evidence and counterexample. It's like trying to tell your grandma that eating fat doesn't make you fat -- they grew up with that idea and feel like they are betraying themselves if they change opinion.
Also bones grow due to pressure and release of pressure. Like astronauts lose bone density because in zero g the body breaks down bone cells because it's not needed
Been lifting in the adult gym since age 10. It defintiely did not stunt my growth at 6'3. Although maybe I could have grown to 9 ft tall. Hard to say tho.
Yea right. And even if that was true, it depends what u were doing there, body weight? Light controlled compound movements? Either way ur low back and hip problems probably because u were dumb enough to lift at 10. But most likely this is fake cus no commercial gym out there allows kids lol
The bone can also slip at the growth plate. Running lands with 2-3x the bodyweight. Jumping from a height offers great loads too, so while injuries are possible, they are probably not going to stunt height. Using steroids young could stunt height.
Is it OK for kids to get brain washed by having their eyes glued to a screen and then end up weird vegetables? Or is it best to have them push their limits? I know what I'd rather my kids do!
There is a middle ground between sedentary life and deadlifting four times your weight at 9. Just get 'em to run around a bit. Take them to a damn park.
This is actually accurate because my grandpa is 6 foot four, but he was really into sports from a young age and he grew up on a farm, but he had a football injury that injured his growth plate. The doctors thought he was gonna be at least 67, but he’s only 64 now Basically growth plate injuries can happen in any sport
Powerlifters are different from bodybuilders. It’s true that a lot of top bodybuilders are short, because their proportions make their muscles seem huge.
I started early and I'm 5'9. My dad is 6'3. It could be just bad luck though. You could say my moms genes could be the culprit because she was 5'6 but I got nothing else from her. I look exactly like my dad, just a lot shorter. I look so much like him that if he went to court to contest that I'm his, the judge would have locked him up for wasting the courts time.
I look like my dad but am shorter than him as well and I did not lift weights at a young age. I'm also taller than most guys on my moms side so I like to think of it like I got the middle of both genes since I'm in between both sides height wise lol
5'6" for a woman is average. There's a possibility you inadvertently damaged your growth plates. Or it could be genetics. My guess would be since your dad is 6"3 and you are his spitting image that you probably damaged your growth plates.
@@tylerdurden4080 5’6 is actually above average. Average, at least in the US, is 5’4. But genetics are more complicated than that. It’s entirely possible that he had shorter grandparents, great grandparents, etc. Your height isn’t only determined by your mother and father’s heights. 5’9 is the average height for a man in the US. You shouldn’t worry about anything to do with injuring your growth plates.
You might look exactly like your father, but you are still your mothers son. I look a lot like my mother, but I’m double-jointed like my father and have a good degree of muscle even without training, similar to him as well.
@@tylerdurden4080 I might have messed something up but being 5'9 isn't the end of the world. There are a lot of bigger problems someone could have. Back in the 90s I could dunk if you gave me enough attempts so I always thought if I was 6'3 like the old man I could dunk in games easy. I probably just needed to work harder on it. I was about 220 rocked up so it wasn't easy. These guys today are monsters though. I see people flying at 5'9.
my idea on stronger lifters being shorter is that if they are shorter, it's not as hard to make the weight cut cause the bones aren't as long and such, and can therefore have a little more muscle
Consider for a moment that organisms in micro gravity (space) grow bones that are longer, but less dense. Consider also that lifting, especially compound lifting, could be thought of as being somewhat similar to being in a sort of "higher gravity" stimulus, which could potentially cause bones to develop shorter, but more dense. All I'm saying is that there may be mechanisms at play that are as yet unclear given the current scientific understanding. Still, height isn't everything.
I'm 33 and I really remember hearing that from most or all of the boomer adults I knew when I picked up those old crappy sand filled plastic weights for the first time as a kid.
I can see why tho. Doesn’t you bone density get stronger. I can see that effecting the growth. Idk and idc I’m probably not gonna have my kids training heavy or at all anyways.
You should try to get them into bodyweight fitness at least if you are scared of them weight training, I think everyone agrees it's good for kids to be active
That article talks about height specifically and not the health/development of bones. I'd like to see if there are any other issues with bones that aren't related to height or with joints or tendons
Most of the tall weightlifters didn't start until post puberty. Injuries are common especially in powerlifting, a vulnerable spot should be taken seriously and it's better for children to lift light if at all
"Are you gonna _train_ a kid? Not unless you're a criminal mastermind... Kids need to _exercise_ and that exercise needs to be _play_ ". -Mark Rippetoe
I mean, you can turn (safe, obviously) training into a game, it will help kids associate exercising with games, so it'll be easier to keep them active as they become adults
Lack of exercising kids is criminal. Obese children... That's CRIMINAL. Encouraging a love for lifelong physical fitness, including weight lifting, is a blessing!
I think it’s fine as long as they don’t lift super heavy, like going for 1 rep max for squats or deadlift. You know how most amateurs deadlift with the cat back trying to max out, you really want those people teaching their kids to do the same?
Resistance training can technically indirectly stunt growth somewhat because the resources for growing taller can be sorta drained into muscle recovery and hypertrophy. However, it shouldn’t be a problem if you just make your child eats in an adequate surplus to remedy any supposed height “theft,” plus lifting weights causes the release of growth hormones, so we just have to keep the different factors in mind.
The issue is that kids are reckless. You'd need to be on their arse all day for them to keep proper form and not give in to the weights. Children are just more prone to injury due to their lack of self-awareness, so better safe than sorry.
All the guys that I know who weight lifted as kids are around 5'6. The average height is like 5'10 so I dunno if it was the weight lifting, but something happened. Maybe the little kid bodies don't get enough calories to build muscle and also grow taller, just a guess.
That would be a problem in their nutrition, even then I doubt it. Were they extremely malnourished and emaciated? If not, it's probably just genetics. Most of the guys at my gym are 6ft+ despite some starting at 14, 15 years old.
Yea, same. All the boys in high-school that would do weight training are barely taller than me or they're the same height as me. I'm a women that's 5'6. 5'5 is average for a women.
I'm dead-on 6ft in the morning and like 1cm less in the afternoon which is just a short-term difference. People also shrink with age but I don't think there's enough studies to prove whether or not weight lifting stunts a childs growth, there's just so many variables.
It has nothing to do with how tall you end up being. Until you are in your late teens your bones are still growing at the ends and heavy weight training can damage the ends of the bones.
I've been told they stunt your growth because they put more stress on how fast you're growing, and not growth plate injuries. It sounds reasonable, but as a 14 year old, I don't really care about my height anymore even if I'm like 5'3.
I remember folks in my family saying that weightlifting before you're done growing will limit growth. I doubt there's empirical evidence for that but the truth of the matter is, kids need to RUN AROUND and PLAY, not sit around and watch TV or play on an Ipad. Get those kids outside even if it's "cold", let them be kids and let them relax after they've worn themselves out.
I dont mind kids weightlifting. I do mind parents leaving their children unsupervised like the gym is a daycare while they go workout. Had some kids nearly hurt themselves and others the other day dropping barbells all over the place.
@@speedinturtle00Performance of a barbell squat is *_powerlifting,_* no matter who preforms it. If you want to exercise, then exercise. This isn't it.
Up until age 13 the child should be practicing GPP (general physical preparedness) and perfect technique with a broomstick. Heavy exercises should include sled work which doesn’t have spinal compression. Look up Louie Simmons and Westside Barbell.
From an adaptation standpoint 5’8” to 6’ is the optimal range for lifting weights. People in this height range tend to have perfect anthropometry for lifting, so it’s actually possible the body would limit height to adapt to the stress. It depends on when you start and how you lift. I don’t think it’s a one size fits all answer though.
@@tomashorst9544 I think equating training to visiting the mechanic may not be accurate. Secondly, training can and will cause wear and tear a) because that's the way the body works the net positive far outweighs it bit saying their is none is not being realistic b) no body least of all kids will have perfect form everytime all the time there will be damage and damage under heavier weight will be more significant so let that begin when they are further along their growth.
@@9snaga you know lifting weight doesnt mean going nuts with heavy weights and doing 6 exercises for every body part You can just adjust your training for your needs, and also you can teach your kids good form with only the bar/dumbell then increase the weight slowly and of course watch them There are ways to prevent things
@@9snaga This is not taking into account the fact that wear and tear is far more likely to happen in untrained individuals, or the body's capability to heal and adapt to its situation. Not to mention the fact that children are in general more resilient than adults. Yes it is true that an injury early on by sports can be life changing, but why are we not having this argument about other sports that are practiced far more amongst children and have a much higher injury risk like most contact sports?
Kids don’t need to lift weights before the age of 12. Have them do sled pulls, running, jumps and bodyweight workouts. I dunno, like a playground maybe
My bro deformed his hip bone lifting something stupid when he was very young. Not sure if bones are at more risk or not at that young age. As long as they are not going for 1 rep PRs, probably fine.
I still don't like kids below high school age lifting because any injury they sustain will be stuck with them for the rest of their lives. It's also very difficult to get little kids to focus on just about anything, which I'm sure is true for focussing on squat form while hundreds of pounds are on their back. There's also no reason a 6 year old needs to be "pushing their limits" or "training hard", just keeping them active and eating healthy food is the best way to promote childrens' health imo.
can be fixed by 1- if you dont like it then just dont squat, there is other leg exercises 2- use light-moderate weights. Lifting weight isnt just lifting as much as you can 3- With proper form and not ego lifting the kid wont get injured. Yes you could say they wont focus bla bla, well you get them to focus, start with little things like curls then build up to more complex things (be aware we are here talking about 8yr-10yr old above not 5yr olds) Funny enough sports like football, soccer, basketball, or even running and jumping has a higher injury ratio than weight lifting 4- Then just dont push them to their limit, the point here is to make it an habit and get them to be more active and healthy overrall lifting weights isnt just about putting the most weight and doing super complex movements you adjust your training for your needs and goals.
@@justduro15271. I am aware there are other leg exercises, squats were just an example. 2. Injuries are still very possible even with a moderate load. Just think of how many times people have hurt their backs moving furniture in their house. 3. Yes with proper form you won't get injured, but even professional powerlifters get injured sometimes when lifting. Also lifting injuries are often things like strained or torn muscles/tendons, which are quite severe, arguably moreso than some of the common injuries from other sports like rolled/sprained ankles/wrists or even dislocations. For the record I also don't think young kids should be playing American Football either. 4. Habits can still be built up easily until much later in life so there's no reason to start weightlifting so soon. Encouraging kids to play team sports is a much better way to get them to enjoy exercising because it's fun to work out with friends, and it will still build healthy habits.
Man, I don't know. I have three siblings, two brothers. I'm 6'4", my younger brother is 6"5" and my middle brother is 6". He is one of the shortest guys on my father's side of the family. He also religiously lifted weights in our garage gym when he was a kid all the way through his high school years. Our father passed when we were all kids; it was his personal therapy. As adults, we all contribute his shorter height to the weights
A more realistic and most likely correct explanation is that extra weight pushing down on your joints and spine compress your joints and force your body down during the important phase of development as a child It's the same as growing up on a planet with greater gravity The forces are pushing you down against your upward growth The basketball argument is just stupid, Basketballers don't lift heavy weights often and usually teams choose taller players as it has an advantage it not that basketball makes you tall😂
I call Bullshit on this. I started lifting weights at 12, I've only grown 1" since then. I literally stopped growing overnight. I'm now the short arse of my family at 6'2"... Even my sisters are 6'4" - 6'5". My father was 6'1" at 12, then 6'5" by 15 and settled on 6'7" fully grown. I'm the only one who started weights in my childhood and as soon as I started lifting heavy- looking for bulk- I stopped growing really, really quickly
For me, the problems started when I loaded my body up beyond what my powerlifter step father warned me not to go past, weight wise. I was so painfully skinny, all I wanted was to bulk up... It definitely was not normal to stop growing at 12 in my family
Dude, that doesn't proves shit. It could just be your genetics and that's how tall you could really grow, plus growth plates injuries usually happens to only one of your bones, it's extremely rare for you to injure all of your growth plates or even injure all of your growth plates from your lowerbody. people who have growth plates injuries usually have longer femur than the other for example.
@@icaroalbuquerque8363 It's the very sudden bride to a halt at 12 that I find interesting... That's highly unusual for a male to stop growing at 12 when I was so healthy and growing at the same rate as everyone else in my family- then within 6 months of me starting gym, my growth plates hardened
If anything it should be the opposite since training of any kind produce testosterone and HGH. Of course, the more intense the training is, the more of these hormones you'll release, but it also increases cortisol, so train hard but also smart
Not how it works. But let’s say that IS the case and use the example for a young boy. Increase in weight training, increase in testosterone subsequent increase in aromatization of testosterone into estrogen compared to not lifting weights. Estrogen is what causes growth plates to harden into adult bones. Height development halted.
@@Smllc22318 lol no.. site a source or get that bs out of here! Natural amounts of test are not converted to E! Why would the body produce it just to throw off hormones when we are literally made to lift heavy things! That’s dumb! This is an issue with exogenous hormone therapy/abuse and is even mitigated then by correcting dosage. Stop spreading misinformation and scaring parents bro!
@@Smllc22318 I’ve lifted weights from a young age and in 6’2” and stronger than 99% of the population. So explain to me how that happened if what your saying is factually accurate.
@@Smllc22318 I was one of the strongest kids in my entire high school as a freshmen. Would not have been if I didn’t start young so please keep your bs to yourself!
@@Shvabicu im not about to argue with you. My original point still stands very tall and clear on it’s own. The injury part is what is going to change their gait for the rest of their lives No one said anything about other sports. I said the injury part. Go ahead and finish your day. You have my permission
@@DominicChrisitianMom He has a good point, If you think like this you would be better off discouraging your kids from playing sports since the likelihood of them getting injured is 3 fold that of weight lifting.
@@lol._.1450 he doesnt have a relevant point. You can say sports have a higher incidence of injury and still say the injury received from weightlifting (it does occur frequently) will effect gait. . And you know what if a child plays sports and get injured it also effects gait. Tell me how what i said was wrong? The internet loves to gaslight people. Prove my statement wrong. Injury from Weightlifting doesn’t change gait? You can create imbalances with weightlifting, you can hurt yourself from too much load, heck you can even drop a plate on your foot. Im not even negating what he said but he doesnt like that i can write stuff too so he replies with an irrelevant fact🤣🤣 . Yall just like to argue. He may as well just said the sky is blue. And that would be true but not negate what i said. Please go away with him. You have my permission 🤣🤣🤣 gotta get back to power washing the floors of my home gym Also, I’d discourage my kids from playing American Football, bodybuilding with steroids or boxing… im sure there are more. Some sports ARE NOT safe for longevity. So those are the sports I WOULD encourage them to stay away from . So what is YOUR point again? Everything that glitters ain’t gold.
I have always believed that youth resistance training is important but must be monitored. Don't let a developing body and yet to be properly disciplined mind injure itself. Unhurried and nutritional deficiencies, and especially both, all stunt growth during development.
I see no problem with my kid getting into lifting. He's almost 10. One thing I would not let him do is take supplements, even legal stuff. Just healthy foods with plenty of protein, and Flintstones vitamins!
“Proper supervision and technique” is the key term. Now… go into any gym around the mid day rush, and tell me how many of those people have proper form. And then you understand the problem XD Those are the same people that will teach their kids bad form
Which is why there are choachs in most gyms, is not that hard to go and ask you know Fuck you can even learn proper form by just watching videos and practicing
@@justduro1527 Those coaches are not necessarily any better. They do still fall into my categorization of people. Same with a lot of videos on the internet. They are not always correct or safe to follow. But that isn't the point. A child will always look to their parent for guidance before a stranger, so if you have a parent teaching bad form on a squat, deadlift or benchpress, then that child will more likely injure themselves or develop form that will encourage future injury. That's why unless you have a marginal understanding of physiology, I would highly recommend spending money on a good coach for your kid and vetting that coach intensely.
Most of the people that are doing squats deadifts and other *dangerous* exercises in my gym have mostly perfect form idk if u actually go to gym or talk about social media
@@AlpnzAMV If you genuinely think the majority of those people have mostly perfect form you either are going to a powerlifting gym, or you yourself do not know what "mostly perfect" form is. pick one.
It's a pretty good comparison. Lots of people think basketball will make their kids taller as the "body is forced to adapt". Basketball is 99% endurance running and 1% jumping though. Ultimately, there are a lot of motivated and promising athletes who end up shorter than they'd like to. If height was correlated to any exercise, they would just do that and not end up short.
Alot of the gyms we see today were not actually around back in the day. That would make proper supervision one thing to completely rule out.I wander if we could some reform thier?
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My dad be telling me that because I lifted a 20 lb dumbell once in middle school that I stunted my growth. Like bruh you and me and the same height smh...
Plus bodyweight exercises force kids to move a lot of weight, such as a push up....and kids sprint and jump, dance, etc.
Crazy how people can't let the fear of weights go. It's even safer because you can vary the resistance perfectly.
Im dead 😂. So what stunted your dads growth then 🤔
sandbells can also be an even safer option since they don't do much when dropped
Did he also lift a 20 lb dumbell?
@@joskevermeulen3271Are you sure he is also not a late bloomer or just got another growth spurt?
we not gonna mention the 12 year old reppin 235
Right!? Lmao
where? no where do I see anyone pushing 235 nor doing reps other than the clip of them front squatting. literally all other lifts are singles and no where near 235lbs...
we dont know the weight of the plates
Son I guarantee you those are 10lbs bumper plates
The one girl in the middle of the video looked to be pulling at least 240 in that rack... She's got two 45lbs steel/iron wheels and a either 5s or 10s on each side... Plus there's the weight of those bumper plates, and Olympic bars are 45lbs... I'll go ahead and call it 255lb... Either way, she's ridiculously strong in the deadlift... When I saw those three wheels I instantly thought 315lbs plus change cuz you recognize weight ranges by the wheels on the bar due to experience over the years.
Early on the post and the comment section has an avg IQ of 80 as of now, with people demonizing weightlifting for kids and promoting bodyweight exercises, which is funny because it assures you they think there is difference between using barbells/dumbells and using your own body to create resistance.
Yes, lifting young probably won't bring about a lot of hypertrophy gains, but it definitely will bring strenght gains and it's a great way to ensure they develop a balanced body, keep their ormones and metabolism healthy and it will help with posture.
Also really usefull on the mental health side of things
Honestly I feel like the best part is forming a good habit. A lot people have a hard time consistently weight training as an adult, but if you build the habit young, it tends to stick.
And we need it now more than ever with our sedentary lifestyles! Kids need to move and stay active and their parents should be doing the same
Body weight exercise is strength lifting lmao just safer and better for kids, they should learn first how to do proper push ups, then pull ups, not jump straight away to swinging heavy dumbbells for shitty curls or ego deadlift, which some of y’all obnoxious dbags are preaching 🤣
Man, thanks for shedding a light on this topic! Myself I believed this during my youth and I'm finally seeing that this belief is wrong
Dude I swear everytime I think of a genuine fitness question or concern you put out a video about within 2 days. One time it happened literally seconds after I finished my thought, it was kinda freaky ngl..
literally same
"Great weight lifters aren't very tall" Could easily be explained by mechanical lifting factors that favor lifters with a more compact frame vs lifters with longer frames.
That’s what I was thinking! Yeah they’re going to be great if point A and B are closer together 😂
It's also because there isn't a lot of sports that short people can compete in.
@@JuggoJuggo us short kings and queens excel in strength 😎 I dig it
Eddie Hall 6'2"
Brian Shaw 6'8"
Hafthor Bjornson 9'12"
Nutrition is also probably important. If they get enough calcium and protein to sustain both the normal and the adaptive growth, that might help maybe
I believe many great power lifters are short because they have an easier time moving the weight bc they need to move it less, right?
It’s basically the swimmers illusion.Professional lifters are short because it helps them be more successful
easier to put on muscle
i have another theory, as a short torso long legs gal. The most athletic people i have seen are usually long torso short leg people (not in endurance but lifting, calisthenics, gymnastics). I can’t unsee it anymore but might have a confirmation bias. My theory is that the weight distribution and center of mass is just ideal for this sort of body type and therefore performance is optimised. Don’t quote me tho
A lot of misinformation about this topic. My son lifted weights with me for years with no negative impacts.
Yeah because your son speaks for everyone lmfao
Thanks for sharing. Did he grow up to a normal height in your family ?
@@thegreat9481 Kind of, yes lol. Unless your child has degenerative bone diseases or some congenital issue.. I’ve lifted since I was 12, now I’m 6’2” and I’m only 18. The only impact it had was now I’m crazy strong 6 years ahead of most people
@@3xotic4mbition Im not arguing in favor of anything I just find it funny he thinks his son is all encompassing 😂
@@thegreat9481 I mean it is all encompassing besides few exceptions which parents already should be aware of
Having kids sit in a chair 8 hours a day then be glued to their ipad the rest of the time is okay with these people
These are also the same people who think deadhang can stretch your bones and increase your height lmao
All that shit is irrelevant retard, both can be bad
@Bolang no it's not, it doesn't stretches your "bones" (that's like saying it can stretch metal) it stretches your ligaments and joints, and then once you land it'll shrink back to its usual size because your joints are literally like sponge 🧽
@@berserker706Yeah lol, but deadhang does decompress your spine so I guess some people consider that as “stretching your bones”
You can do that and weighlifting.
At the same time.
This comment section is a case study into people sticking to their unsubstantiated, preconceived notions when in the face of overwhelming evidence and counterexample. It's like trying to tell your grandma that eating fat doesn't make you fat -- they grew up with that idea and feel like they are betraying themselves if they change opinion.
Wow you were not kidding
True. Most RUclips comments are made by morons.
"overwhelming evidence"
@@noellundstrom7447 well yeah, there is a ton of studies debunking the stunning your growth myth
It literally say there is no evidence that doesn't mean there are evidence of the opposite
Also bones grow due to pressure and release of pressure. Like astronauts lose bone density because in zero g the body breaks down bone cells because it's not needed
Woahhhhh!That first little girl is strong!! Jaw dropping
Been lifting in the adult gym since age 10. It defintiely did not stunt my growth at 6'3. Although maybe I could have grown to 9 ft tall. Hard to say tho.
6'3 is tall enough lol
Yea right. And even if that was true, it depends what u were doing there, body weight? Light controlled compound movements? Either way ur low back and hip problems probably because u were dumb enough to lift at 10. But most likely this is fake cus no commercial gym out there allows kids lol
@@rog69 my parents worked there so they let me in
@@rog69 how do you know he has lower back and hip problems he said nothing about that lol
@@Danheron2 damn bastard edited his comment, curseeeee himmmm 😠
The bone can also slip at the growth plate. Running lands with 2-3x the bodyweight. Jumping from a height offers great loads too, so while injuries are possible, they are probably not going to stunt height. Using steroids young could stunt height.
Is it OK for kids to get brain washed by having their eyes glued to a screen and then end up weird vegetables? Or is it best to have them push their limits? I know what I'd rather my kids do!
There is a middle ground between sedentary life and deadlifting four times your weight at 9. Just get 'em to run around a bit. Take them to a damn park.
@@IncredibleMD Nah my kids gonna be jacked (not shredded it's not healthy) at a young age.
@@lol._.1450 if you yourself are not shredded, you have no place trying to get your kid to be.
@@stevenwynn646 I'm not shredded because I value my libido and testosterone levels and don't want to use PEDS to get lean.
@@stevenwynn646 Also I said jacked not shredded.
This is actually accurate because my grandpa is 6 foot four, but he was really into sports from a young age and he grew up on a farm, but he had a football injury that injured his growth plate. The doctors thought he was gonna be at least 67, but he’s only 64 now
Basically growth plate injuries can happen in any sport
"Heavy weight lifters are tiny"
Aren't like all the top strongman's living giants? Like 190+?
Powerlifters are different from bodybuilders. It’s true that a lot of top bodybuilders are short, because their proportions make their muscles seem huge.
Great to know the science on it 🔬. This is a concept I grew up with as well.
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I started early and I'm 5'9. My dad is 6'3. It could be just bad luck though. You could say my moms genes could be the culprit because she was 5'6 but I got nothing else from her. I look exactly like my dad, just a lot shorter. I look so much like him that if he went to court to contest that I'm his, the judge would have locked him up for wasting the courts time.
I look like my dad but am shorter than him as well and I did not lift weights at a young age. I'm also taller than most guys on my moms side so I like to think of it like I got the middle of both genes since I'm in between both sides height wise lol
5'6" for a woman is average. There's a possibility you inadvertently damaged your growth plates. Or it could be genetics. My guess would be since your dad is 6"3 and you are his spitting image that you probably damaged your growth plates.
@@tylerdurden4080 5’6 is actually above average. Average, at least in the US, is 5’4. But genetics are more complicated than that. It’s entirely possible that he had shorter grandparents, great grandparents, etc. Your height isn’t only determined by your mother and father’s heights.
5’9 is the average height for a man in the US. You shouldn’t worry about anything to do with injuring your growth plates.
You might look exactly like your father, but you are still your mothers son. I look a lot like my mother, but I’m double-jointed like my father and have a good degree of muscle even without training, similar to him as well.
@@tylerdurden4080 I might have messed something up but being 5'9 isn't the end of the world. There are a lot of bigger problems someone could have. Back in the 90s I could dunk if you gave me enough attempts so I always thought if I was 6'3 like the old man I could dunk in games easy. I probably just needed to work harder on it. I was about 220 rocked up so it wasn't easy. These guys today are monsters though. I see people flying at 5'9.
I saw that girl lift 6 plates at the start and took that personally
That little girl is adorable 💖💖💖💖💖
Who else thought that little girl was back squatting 4 plates?
People let little kids play sports where injuries are much more common than lifting injuries but don't have a problem with that smh
my idea on stronger lifters being shorter is that if they are shorter, it's not as hard to make the weight cut cause the bones aren't as long and such, and can therefore have a little more muscle
Nice to see the greatest weightlifter of all time in your shorts
Consider for a moment that organisms in micro gravity (space) grow bones that are longer, but less dense. Consider also that lifting, especially compound lifting, could be thought of as being somewhat similar to being in a sort of "higher gravity" stimulus, which could potentially cause bones to develop shorter, but more dense. All I'm saying is that there may be mechanisms at play that are as yet unclear given the current scientific understanding. Still, height isn't everything.
I'm 33 and I really remember hearing that from most or all of the boomer adults I knew when I picked up those old crappy sand filled plastic weights for the first time as a kid.
This is the one argument from SU I disagree with. You can't compare basketball to the heavy compressive force that powerlifting puts on spine.
I can see why tho. Doesn’t you bone density get stronger. I can see that effecting the growth. Idk and idc I’m probably not gonna have my kids training heavy or at all anyways.
You should try to get them into bodyweight fitness at least if you are scared of them weight training, I think everyone agrees it's good for kids to be active
That article talks about height specifically and not the health/development of bones. I'd like to see if there are any other issues with bones that aren't related to height or with joints or tendons
Most of the tall weightlifters didn't start until post puberty. Injuries are common especially in powerlifting, a vulnerable spot should be taken seriously and it's better for children to lift light if at all
The taller weight lifter started lifting later in his life & not at a young age
"Are you gonna _train_ a kid? Not unless you're a criminal mastermind... Kids need to _exercise_ and that exercise needs to be _play_ ". -Mark Rippetoe
You can do both. We start teching kids math and writing at a young age too. Why wait for physical education only?
@@JohnSmith-om6tf physical education is good. "Training" in this message meant having five year old kids do programmed barbell training.
Who says lifting can't be fun
I mean, you can turn (safe, obviously) training into a game, it will help kids associate exercising with games, so it'll be easier to keep them active as they become adults
Lack of exercising kids is criminal. Obese children... That's CRIMINAL. Encouraging a love for lifelong physical fitness, including weight lifting, is a blessing!
I think it’s fine as long as they don’t lift super heavy, like going for 1 rep max for squats or deadlift. You know how most amateurs deadlift with the cat back trying to max out, you really want those people teaching their kids to do the same?
that little lass put me to shame .
Look, let your kids enjoy their sports when they’re kids. Once they get to high school if they want to be competitive let them.
Resistance training can technically indirectly stunt growth somewhat because the resources for growing taller can be sorta drained into muscle recovery and hypertrophy. However, it shouldn’t be a problem if you just make your child eats in an adequate surplus to remedy any supposed height “theft,” plus lifting weights causes the release of growth hormones, so we just have to keep the different factors in mind.
The issue is that kids are reckless. You'd need to be on their arse all day for them to keep proper form and not give in to the weights. Children are just more prone to injury due to their lack of self-awareness, so better safe than sorry.
Only decent argument I've seen against
Those little ones look like ants: all limb but pulling heavy!
Kids should just stick to being kids and enjoy life the metabolism is already stupidly high
All the guys that I know who weight lifted as kids are around 5'6. The average height is like 5'10 so I dunno if it was the weight lifting, but something happened. Maybe the little kid bodies don't get enough calories to build muscle and also grow taller, just a guess.
That would be a problem in their nutrition, even then I doubt it. Were they extremely malnourished and emaciated? If not, it's probably just genetics. Most of the guys at my gym are 6ft+ despite some starting at 14, 15 years old.
@@acoverdc9272 fitness and weightlifting are two different things
@@Donut.Pon4ik Two different but very related things.
Maybe they didn’t eat enough compared to the calories they were burning ? Or just coincidence
Yea, same. All the boys in high-school that would do weight training are barely taller than me or they're the same height as me. I'm a women that's 5'6. 5'5 is average for a women.
Lifting heavy weight early spikes androgens and estrogen levels which then close the growth plates sooner.
Exactly
I'm dead-on 6ft in the morning and like 1cm less in the afternoon which is just a short-term difference. People also shrink with age but I don't think there's enough studies to prove whether or not weight lifting stunts a childs growth, there's just so many variables.
It has nothing to do with how tall you end up being. Until you are in your late teens your bones are still growing at the ends and heavy weight training can damage the ends of the bones.
Someone didn't bother listening to the video or read the mentioned study.
I've been told they stunt your growth because they put more stress on how fast you're growing, and not growth plate injuries. It sounds reasonable, but as a 14 year old, I don't really care about my height anymore even if I'm like 5'3.
I remember folks in my family saying that weightlifting before you're done growing will limit growth. I doubt there's empirical evidence for that but the truth of the matter is, kids need to RUN AROUND and PLAY, not sit around and watch TV or play on an Ipad. Get those kids outside even if it's "cold", let them be kids and let them relax after they've worn themselves out.
I simply worry that squats and deadlifts can compress your spine (thus making you shorter)
I dont mind kids weightlifting.
I do mind parents leaving their children unsupervised like the gym is a daycare while they go workout.
Had some kids nearly hurt themselves and others the other day dropping barbells all over the place.
What you pictured isn't resistance-training. It's powerlifting. Not the same thing. Adults subjecting children to this constitutes child abuse.
Bro what
There isn’t a single power lifter in this video 😂
@@speedinturtle00Performance of a barbell squat is *_powerlifting,_* no matter who preforms it. If you want to exercise, then exercise. This isn't it.
@@aliendroneservices6621 praying for you 🙏🧎♂️🙏
What stunts growth is not enough sleep and enough food/supplements. Also don’t sleep with lights on or electronics to close around you
Up until age 13 the child should be practicing GPP (general physical preparedness) and perfect technique with a broomstick. Heavy exercises should include sled work which doesn’t have spinal compression. Look up Louie Simmons and Westside Barbell.
From an adaptation standpoint 5’8” to 6’ is the optimal range for lifting weights. People in this height range tend to have perfect anthropometry for lifting, so it’s actually possible the body would limit height to adapt to the stress. It depends on when you start and how you lift. I don’t think it’s a one size fits all answer though.
My thing is wear and tear so early. Body weight, mastery of whatever skill and endurance above all.
Training does not cause wear and tear, it prevents it. This is like saying bringing your car to the mechanic will make it break down faster
@@tomashorst9544 I think equating training to visiting the mechanic may not be accurate. Secondly, training can and will cause wear and tear a) because that's the way the body works the net positive far outweighs it bit saying their is none is not being realistic b) no body least of all kids will have perfect form everytime all the time there will be damage and damage under heavier weight will be more significant so let that begin when they are further along their growth.
@@9snaga that’s why kids shouldn’t train to failure and only under direct supervision and after they are mature enough to control weights
@@9snaga you know lifting weight doesnt mean going nuts with heavy weights and doing 6 exercises for every body part
You can just adjust your training for your needs, and also you can teach your kids good form with only the bar/dumbell then increase the weight slowly and of course watch them
There are ways to prevent things
@@9snaga This is not taking into account the fact that wear and tear is far more likely to happen in untrained individuals, or the body's capability to heal and adapt to its situation. Not to mention the fact that children are in general more resilient than adults. Yes it is true that an injury early on by sports can be life changing, but why are we not having this argument about other sports that are practiced far more amongst children and have a much higher injury risk like most contact sports?
Kids don’t need to lift weights before the age of 12.
Have them do sled pulls, running, jumps and bodyweight workouts. I dunno, like a playground maybe
Somewhat true, mostly because they are more likely to get injured handling weights improperly
I injured my growth plate at 14 playing basketball. Weight training is probably safer than high velocity/impact sports for kids.
Dang that sucks
The number of people that believe that you stunt your growth by weight lifting is ridiculous.
No evidence can also mean it's never been formally studied.
The knee injury is a straw man as is confusion of correlation with causation.
My bro deformed his hip bone lifting something stupid when he was very young. Not sure if bones are at more risk or not at that young age. As long as they are not going for 1 rep PRs, probably fine.
The stronger the kids, the more chores they could do at home.
I still don't like kids below high school age lifting because any injury they sustain will be stuck with them for the rest of their lives. It's also very difficult to get little kids to focus on just about anything, which I'm sure is true for focussing on squat form while hundreds of pounds are on their back. There's also no reason a 6 year old needs to be "pushing their limits" or "training hard", just keeping them active and eating healthy food is the best way to promote childrens' health imo.
can be fixed by
1- if you dont like it then just dont squat, there is other leg exercises
2- use light-moderate weights. Lifting weight isnt just lifting as much as you can
3- With proper form and not ego lifting the kid wont get injured. Yes you could say they wont focus bla bla, well you get them to focus, start with little things like curls then build up to more complex things (be aware we are here talking about 8yr-10yr old above not 5yr olds)
Funny enough sports like football, soccer, basketball, or even running and jumping has a higher injury ratio than weight lifting
4- Then just dont push them to their limit, the point here is to make it an habit and get them to be more active and healthy overrall
lifting weights isnt just about putting the most weight and doing super complex movements
you adjust your training for your needs and goals.
@@justduro15271. I am aware there are other leg exercises, squats were just an example.
2. Injuries are still very possible even with a moderate load. Just think of how many times people have hurt their backs moving furniture in their house.
3. Yes with proper form you won't get injured, but even professional powerlifters get injured sometimes when lifting. Also lifting injuries are often things like strained or torn muscles/tendons, which are quite severe, arguably moreso than some of the common injuries from other sports like rolled/sprained ankles/wrists or even dislocations. For the record I also don't think young kids should be playing American Football either.
4. Habits can still be built up easily until much later in life so there's no reason to start weightlifting so soon. Encouraging kids to play team sports is a much better way to get them to enjoy exercising because it's fun to work out with friends, and it will still build healthy habits.
That little girl is strong af holy crap
It does stunt groth if you dont eat enough because it takes energy for growing into muscles.
Was it a systematic review?
Man, I don't know. I have three siblings, two brothers. I'm 6'4", my younger brother is 6"5" and my middle brother is 6". He is one of the shortest guys on my father's side of the family. He also religiously lifted weights in our garage gym when he was a kid all the way through his high school years. Our father passed when we were all kids; it was his personal therapy. As adults, we all contribute his shorter height to the weights
I’m the tallest in my family and the only one that lifted weights when I was a kid 🤷
@@speedinturtle00 Yea, lifting might not have any effect; I really don't know. Just sharing my personal experience
When i was 11 i grabbed a barbell to feel the weight. Now i am 1 meter tall.
Seems like my kids will be getting pushed into the gym asap lol
it stuns growth period. sauce?? trust me bro
ive seen it time and time again
Midgets fill out their frame much faster that's why they look super jacked
Who is this little blonde girl?? My goodness she is crazy strong
I started weight training at 7. I'm the tallest in my family.
A more realistic and most likely correct explanation is that extra weight pushing down on your joints and spine compress your joints and force your body down during the important phase of development as a child
It's the same as growing up on a planet with greater gravity
The forces are pushing you down against your upward growth
The basketball argument is just stupid,
Basketballers don't lift heavy weights often and usually teams choose taller players as it has an advantage it not that basketball makes you tall😂
I call Bullshit on this. I started lifting weights at 12, I've only grown 1" since then. I literally stopped growing overnight. I'm now the short arse of my family at 6'2"... Even my sisters are 6'4" - 6'5". My father was 6'1" at 12, then 6'5" by 15 and settled on 6'7" fully grown. I'm the only one who started weights in my childhood and as soon as I started lifting heavy- looking for bulk- I stopped growing really, really quickly
For me, the problems started when I loaded my body up beyond what my powerlifter step father warned me not to go past, weight wise. I was so painfully skinny, all I wanted was to bulk up... It definitely was not normal to stop growing at 12 in my family
you could also have just taken the shorter end of the genetic toothpick
Dude, that doesn't proves shit. It could just be your genetics and that's how tall you could really grow, plus growth plates injuries usually happens to only one of your bones, it's extremely rare for you to injure all of your growth plates or even injure all of your growth plates from your lowerbody. people who have growth plates injuries usually have longer femur than the other for example.
@@icaroalbuquerque8363 It's the very sudden bride to a halt at 12 that I find interesting... That's highly unusual for a male to stop growing at 12 when I was so healthy and growing at the same rate as everyone else in my family- then within 6 months of me starting gym, my growth plates hardened
@@danielbrealey2924 I agree that it's unusual, but it doesn't prove that it was really the catalyst for anything, coincidences exist
But being fat brings all the problems to those who don't take care of themselves.....
If I’m not mistaken. The common belief is that, lifting is okay, but no weight on the shoulders/over-head pressing.
If anything it should be the opposite since training of any kind produce testosterone and HGH. Of course, the more intense the training is, the more of these hormones you'll release, but it also increases cortisol, so train hard but also smart
Not how it works. But let’s say that IS the case and use the example for a young boy. Increase in weight training, increase in testosterone subsequent increase in aromatization of testosterone into estrogen compared to not lifting weights. Estrogen is what causes growth plates to harden into adult bones. Height development halted.
@@Smllc22318 lol no.. site a source or get that bs out of here! Natural amounts of test are not converted to E! Why would the body produce it just to throw off hormones when we are literally made to lift heavy things! That’s dumb! This is an issue with exogenous hormone therapy/abuse and is even mitigated then by correcting dosage. Stop spreading misinformation and scaring parents bro!
@@Smllc22318 I’ve lifted weights from a young age and in 6’2” and stronger than 99% of the population. So explain to me how that happened if what your saying is factually accurate.
@@Smllc22318 I was one of the strongest kids in my entire high school as a freshmen. Would not have been if I didn’t start young so please keep your bs to yourself!
@@3xotic4mbition go back and read where i said thats not how it works.
5 year olds in ancient times were Shepards.
wait. you mean that’s the reason the wives tail of stunting growth is a thing, because the olympians are short? we’re doomed.
The injury part is what is going to change their gait for the rest of their lives if they are not supervised.
Injury risk in team sports is massively higher
@@DominicChrisitianMom again you're mistaken. Nearly ANY sport has higher injury risks than weightlifting
@@Shvabicu im not about to argue with you.
My original point still stands very tall and clear on it’s own.
The injury part is what is going to change their gait for the rest of their lives
No one said anything about other sports. I said the injury part. Go ahead and finish your day. You have my permission
@@DominicChrisitianMom He has a good point, If you think like this you would be better off discouraging your kids from playing sports since the likelihood of them getting injured is 3 fold that of weight lifting.
@@lol._.1450 he doesnt have a relevant point.
You can say sports have a higher incidence of injury and still say the injury received from weightlifting (it does occur frequently) will effect gait. . And you know what if a child plays sports and get injured it also effects gait.
Tell me how what i said was wrong? The internet loves to gaslight people.
Prove my statement wrong. Injury from Weightlifting doesn’t change gait? You can create imbalances with weightlifting, you can hurt yourself from too much load, heck you can even drop a plate on your foot. Im not even negating what he said but he doesnt like that i can write stuff too so he replies with an irrelevant fact🤣🤣 . Yall just like to argue.
He may as well just said the sky is blue. And that would be true but not negate what i said. Please go away with him. You have my permission 🤣🤣🤣 gotta get back to power washing the floors of my home gym
Also, I’d discourage my kids from playing American Football, bodybuilding with steroids or boxing… im sure there are more. Some sports ARE NOT safe for longevity. So those are the sports I WOULD encourage them to stay away from . So what is YOUR point again? Everything that glitters ain’t gold.
doesnt weightlifting also strengthen the bones i remember once watching a video bout something like that
I have always believed that youth resistance training is important but must be monitored. Don't let a developing body and yet to be properly disciplined mind injure itself. Unhurried and nutritional deficiencies, and especially both, all stunt growth during development.
“Anybody who raises their children differently from how I raise mine is endangering their children and needs to be stopped”
So all those kids that grow up on farms doing farm work are short right?
Didn’t weight lift til like 16 and I’m 6’5. But I agree with you, don’t really think it stunts growth
I see no problem with my kid getting into lifting. He's almost 10. One thing I would not let him do is take supplements, even legal stuff. Just healthy foods with plenty of protein, and Flintstones vitamins!
make sure he do his exercises with proper form
Lmao Flintstones vitamins are supplements. Dumbest thing I've read in a long time
@@Shvabicu supplements consist many different things except vitamins too. That's whathe meant obviously
@@jouunoo9365 no, he didn't know what he was talking about
No whey protein?
It won't necessarily stunt growth but it will increase your risk of growth plate fracture, which will most definitely stunt growth
Yeah, it can stunt growth if the kids aren't careful and become injured. Given how carefree kids can be I would say it's still risky.
Only with bad form will have a risk of growth plate fracture
This is very unlikely and can only happen if you lift with very bad form. Not to mention this can happen in any other sport
The real question is exactly how common is the sort of instruction necessary to uphold that data in practice?
But was the study using heavy weight?
can kids lift heavy weight?no
Take myself as example. Startet lifting 3 years ago. Now I am 16. And I have grown a lot since then. I am 192cm btw
@@fabioooh heavy relative to BW, like the small girl squatting 80 kg
@@ExecutionSommaire that girl is an exeption ,most 10yo cant squat past their bodyweight
@@fabioooh yeah but that girl's case is precisely why people raise concerns. I don't think anyone would be afraid to have their kid squat 30 kg.
I want to lift weigts but my parents don’t allow me because “I will get injured”
“Proper supervision and technique” is the key term. Now… go into any gym around the mid day rush, and tell me how many of those people have proper form. And then you understand the problem XD
Those are the same people that will teach their kids bad form
Which is why there are choachs in most gyms, is not that hard to go and ask you know
Fuck you can even learn proper form by just watching videos and practicing
@@justduro1527 Those coaches are not necessarily any better. They do still fall into my categorization of people. Same with a lot of videos on the internet. They are not always correct or safe to follow. But that isn't the point. A child will always look to their parent for guidance before a stranger, so if you have a parent teaching bad form on a squat, deadlift or benchpress, then that child will more likely injure themselves or develop form that will encourage future injury. That's why unless you have a marginal understanding of physiology, I would highly recommend spending money on a good coach for your kid and vetting that coach intensely.
Most of the people that are doing squats deadifts and other *dangerous* exercises in my gym have mostly perfect form idk if u actually go to gym or talk about social media
@@AlpnzAMV If you genuinely think the majority of those people have mostly perfect form you either are going to a powerlifting gym, or you yourself do not know what "mostly perfect" form is. pick one.
@@stevenwynn646 perfect form might be an overestimation but most of them have good form
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Can you recommend some written material for programming for kids?
Finally my mom can stop saying that I need a boulder over my head so I stop growing (I’m only 6 foot)
I think kids should mainly learn the fundamentals, form, and basics nothing crazy. And then when they are around 16+, let ‘em go crazy.
I’m 13 years old, and I’m 5’8. Definitely didn’t “stunt my growth”
That’s a bad comparison to basketball you were doing good 😂
It's a pretty good comparison. Lots of people think basketball will make their kids taller as the "body is forced to adapt". Basketball is 99% endurance running and 1% jumping though.
Ultimately, there are a lot of motivated and promising athletes who end up shorter than they'd like to. If height was correlated to any exercise, they would just do that and not end up short.
Alot of the gyms we see today were not actually around back in the day. That would make proper supervision one thing to completely rule out.I wander if we could some reform thier?
It’s parents responsibility to watch their kids and lift weights with them. Parents should already be doing this in the first place
@@3xotic4mbition yeah but the countries gotta come around.It can get very mother pushes the birdies out the nest but we don't have to be.
@@justintaylor4076 it’s true man :/
How many kids are gonna use correct form, exactly 💀
you cant sustain weiglifting without correct form . Everyone learns to use correct form at some point
@@AlpnzAMV even if its too late and theyve destroyed their body 💀💀
That's why you should be actively teaching them
Yeah tell this to my parents 😒
Let's talk about thor, second strongest man (after eddie hall), he is 6'3. eddie is 6'1.
Doesn't Eddie Hall have the heaviest deadlift
@@MONGOTV1r6 he has
@@אדיראלעד-ד3מ then why do you think Thor is stronger