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Thank you for that explanation. I’m a father of 8 athletes. I’ve always been that dad under the impression of early lifting and the potential growth implications. We have changed that with my younger kids and the results have been amazing.
You were studying the impact on weight training and growth plate fractures, but you didn't look into how weight training impacts have on the endocrine system, which controls growth to begin with. How does it impact GH, IGF, T, E, cortisol, etc.
Lot's of farm boys, over the year, who have been lifting feed sacks, carrying 5 gallon buckets of grain/milk, and throwing bales of hay should be proof that moving weight doesn't stunt growth.....
That’s not the same as weight lifting though….that’s actual movement…it’s all most like CrossFit training…I know I’m a farm boy my father never allowed me to lift weights I out grew everyone…6’4 265
@@vensonj it is moving weight. The strongest kids around, pre-weight-training programs in school, were farm kids. Carrying 50 lb sacks of feed, and throwing even heavier balls of hay is strength training. In fact, it is functional strength training. You're loopy if you don't see the similarities.
It's not weightlifting itself it's how heavy and intense you go. The more heavy and intense you go it causes the body to trigger an early production of testosterone leading to premature fusion of the growth plates and leading to an early growth spurt. In order for the body to keep up with the intensity it needs androgens. Meaning you do lose inches as a result.
I've been wondering this for a while do you think it will stunt mine? I'm 15 and 5,8 I am a later bloomer so I think I can grow to 5,11 6 foot but I want to keep working out is it going to affect me?
@@jbf1734First of all I would go for an x-ray to see if your growth plates are still open if you can. It just depends on how long you've been training for and how heavy - intensive your doing your training and your genetics and your hormonal structure will be a factor. Watch your diet as well and make sure you eat well and don't neglect your meals. Feed your body with good nutrition.
Litteraly false. Estrogen closes the growth plates, not testosterone. Infact testosterone is neccesary for development of bones and also height, more of it doesnt make you shorter, it makes you taller. You are not "losing inches" by weight training. Please stop spreading false information and scaring teens into not weightlifting
I remember I started lifting when I was going into 8th grade. I was about 5’4 at the time. At 23, I stand around 5’9 (just over 5’9 in the morning). My dad is 6’2 and my mom is 5’4.5-5’5, my sister stands around 5’7”. What’s weird is I have grown since I was 18 by about 1.5”. I think my height has been mostly genetics, due to my grandpa on my mom’s side being about 5’7 (Eastern European). I think I was going to be in the 5’9 range anyway due to that being the average between my parents. It is what it is. Btw I wear a size 11 shoe and have a wingspan of 72 inches.
The original research was on Welsh coal miner's children and who worked in the mines. It's a myth. We have the same issue here. What's critical is supervision by qualified and competent coaches.
Hi coach Dane! Have you ever thought about starting your own system and having other coaches be certified under your system? I think this is something that a lot of us would want in the future
🤦🏻♂️ the people in the comment section answering this (incorrectly) as if the title was a question. Meanwhile, you literally explained in the video (that they presumably did not watch) that the exact opposite is true.
obviously if a younger person is lifting say a 12 year old. they need a trained adult with common sense supervising them and assisting also making sure the weight is a little lighter than they can handle not a little heavier. not too many sets and not too often as the body is growing anyway at that age. maybe 2 times a week using weights. the rest should be athletic sports. i used to do body weight squats from age 10 onwards. and it helped me with alot of other sprts growing ups. also done lot of abs and oblique exercise. i now realise how i was the skinniest kid in class yet hit the hardest when it came to baseball. the power came from the core
"Stunts your growth, shrinks your p*nis, all your muscle turns to fat if you stop training even for a brief period, if you're not careful you'll accidentally get far to big, men will want to fight you if you get muscular" are just some of the utter B.S things people who couldn't be arsed to train & had no idea of what they were talking about used to spout at me when I started lifting at the age of 13, thirty odd years ago.
Strength training might be safe, promote injury prevention etc. but still the increased load on the bone that creates the benefits on the first place, may work against the growth plates after a certain point of volume and intensity.
Maybe it did for me im only 5’10 my dad is 6’2 and mom is 5’9 and cousins are 6’3 and 6’6 …but again I did a drastic diet in grade 9 to lose 30 lbs of fat in 3 months as well as running for one hour and lifting 6 days a week (without much proper training and resting) … I think nutrition and rest as well as genetics and injury prevention are more important to height than early weight lifting overall
Sometimes genetic mutations and other factors in the womb can make a baby average height or even shorter height even if the parents/family are tall And vice versa Plus 5'10 isnt even that bad infact thats pretty tall for the rest of the world. Even in the US the average height is 5'9.5 so your slightly above average even in the west Its more likely you had shittier nutrition and shittier sleep/sleep quality and also the drastic diet and these all contributed to you being slightly shorter or you just got unlucky and got the wrong genes. You should get leg lengthening surgery,arm lengthening surgery and clavicle widening surgery then use an inversion table to decompress the spine you could add up to 6-10 inches doing this. The arm lengthening and clavicle widening is to balance out the proportions so you dont look goofy
@@nickknack2523 Appropriately designed resistance training programs have no apparent negative effect on linear growth, physeal health, or the cardiovascular system…American Academy of Pediatrics 2020 My masters in exercise physiology, my 2 strength and conditioning certifications and my 35 years of lifting and training tell me you are incorrect.
No. Been lifting since I was 7. Taking brewers yeast and cod liver oil. I'm 6ft 2 and got upto 280lbs. Puberty wise I was average so it's not if I was an early bloomer.
Weight training doesn't effect on growth my coach an throw athlete of 60's and now under him a total of 100-120 athletes had gone through but alot of 95% athletes have 6'1" plus height. IT DON'T EFFECT if proper guidance and good nutrition is given
There are no hair follicles on your palms unless you have an extremely rare genetic disorder called circumscribed hairy dysembryoplasia of palms. It happens if you ma*tu*b*te a lot
Yes, it stunt growth, i'm only between 5 foot 9.5 inches /5'10, i went to the gym from 15 to 17 years old and my brother is 6 foot 2,my sister is a good 5 foot 7, i regrate this every fucking day.
@@GarageStrength maybe,but from 13 to 15 years i was tallish and projected to be between 5 11 and 6 foot, my mom is 5 foot 5 and my dad is my same height but i have also tall grandparents, so if it was only genetics i had to be almost 5 11 or 6 foot
@@Ildoc98 nah it's genetics. Height is not always consistent across siblings and the projected heights are just suggestions based on average data. I have a friend who is 6'3 and has a brother who is 5'5. Anything can happen. You were going to be 5'10 whether you lifted weights or not. It is what it is.
@@Ildoc98 yeah dad's 6'4 mom is 5'2. I have another friend whose parents are both 5'4 and he is 5'10 his brother is 6'. Another friend's mom is 5'3, dad is 5'11, he is 5'5 and his brother is 5'9. There is sometimes a correlation with the parent height, but not always.
Stretching release more growth hormone for bones to grow more room. Carrying weights on the other hand injures your muscle so their growth hormones just means recovering and build new muscle tissue instead of growing bones longer.
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Thank you for that explanation. I’m a father of 8 athletes. I’ve always been that dad under the impression of early lifting and the potential growth implications. We have changed that with my younger kids and the results have been amazing.
Damn bro 8!? Can you pull out of your driveway at least 😂
@@chsjenkins 😆
Nephew broke his growth plate when he was 6 he’s now 6’6” 330
How
Just imagine what a giant he would have been 😢 😂
You were studying the impact on weight training and growth plate fractures, but you didn't look into how weight training impacts have on the endocrine system, which controls growth to begin with. How does it impact GH, IGF, T, E, cortisol, etc.
makes it increase growth factors
Lot's of farm boys, over the year, who have been lifting feed sacks, carrying 5 gallon buckets of grain/milk, and throwing bales of hay should be proof that moving weight doesn't stunt growth.....
That’s not the same as weight lifting though….that’s actual movement…it’s all most like CrossFit training…I know I’m a farm boy my father never allowed me to lift weights I out grew everyone…6’4 265
@@vensonj it is moving weight. The strongest kids around, pre-weight-training programs in school, were farm kids. Carrying 50 lb sacks of feed, and throwing even heavier balls of hay is strength training. In fact, it is functional strength training. You're loopy if you don't see the similarities.
@@davidhuffman145 the way most people lift weights isn’t functional that’s why they are all stiff…you literally agreed with me
@@Me-pw9ld every farm boy I have ever met is 5'10" or better, and most North of 6'2."
No mention of lifting increasing testosterone which increases E2 which seals epiphyseal plates.
Excelent , mi nine years old son do the barbell complex every day and it was so good for his development
GREAT INSIGHTS as usual! Thank you for sharing Dane.
It's not weightlifting itself it's how heavy and intense you go. The more heavy and intense you go it causes the body to trigger an early production of testosterone leading to premature fusion of the growth plates and leading to an early growth spurt. In order for the body to keep up with the intensity it needs androgens. Meaning you do lose inches as a result.
I've been wondering this for a while do you think it will stunt mine? I'm 15 and 5,8 I am a later bloomer so I think I can grow to 5,11 6 foot but I want to keep working out is it going to affect me?
@@jbf1734First of all I would go for an x-ray to see if your growth plates are still open if you can. It just depends on how long you've been training for and how heavy - intensive your doing your training and your genetics and your hormonal structure will be a factor. Watch your diet as well and make sure you eat well and don't neglect your meals. Feed your body with good nutrition.
@@SirCharles913 I've been lifting for like 3 months but nothing rly too heavy max bench is like 130
@@jbf1734 You should be fine with that
Litteraly false. Estrogen closes the growth plates, not testosterone. Infact testosterone is neccesary for development of bones and also height, more of it doesnt make you shorter, it makes you taller. You are not "losing inches" by weight training. Please stop spreading false information and scaring teens into not weightlifting
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God bless you
I remember I started lifting when I was going into 8th grade. I was about 5’4 at the time. At 23, I stand around 5’9 (just over 5’9 in the morning). My dad is 6’2 and my mom is 5’4.5-5’5, my sister stands around 5’7”. What’s weird is I have grown since I was 18 by about 1.5”. I think my height has been mostly genetics, due to my grandpa on my mom’s side being about 5’7 (Eastern European). I think I was going to be in the 5’9 range anyway due to that being the average between my parents. It is what it is.
Btw I wear a size 11 shoe and have a wingspan of 72 inches.
Your dad 6 2 you and him must be disapointed
@@elmasbuscado909u sound dumb one two his mom is super short so it’s not bros fault
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so if you hurt your back can the growrh of spine be harmed?
Excellent video!
The original research was on Welsh coal miner's children and who worked in the mines. It's a myth. We have the same issue here. What's critical is supervision by qualified and competent coaches.
Cool facts, coach! 💯
Hi coach Dane! Have you ever thought about starting your own system and having other coaches be certified under your system? I think this is something that a lot of us would want in the future
🤦🏻♂️ the people in the comment section answering this (incorrectly) as if the title was a question. Meanwhile, you literally explained in the video (that they presumably did not watch) that the exact opposite is true.
obviously if a younger person is lifting say a 12 year old. they need a trained adult with common sense supervising them and assisting also making sure the weight is a little lighter than they can handle not a little heavier. not too many sets and not too often as the body is growing anyway at that age. maybe 2 times a week using weights. the rest should be athletic sports. i used to do body weight squats from age 10 onwards. and it helped me with alot of other sprts growing ups. also done lot of abs and oblique exercise. i now realise how i was the skinniest kid in class yet hit the hardest when it came to baseball. the power came from the core
Good info thanks for sharing, I agree with your analogy
Yes
Could you link these studies for people to rad?
"Stunts your growth, shrinks your p*nis, all your muscle turns to fat if you stop training even for a brief period, if you're not careful you'll accidentally get far to big, men will want to fight you if you get muscular" are just some of the utter B.S things people who couldn't be arsed to train & had no idea of what they were talking about used to spout at me when I started lifting at the age of 13, thirty odd years ago.
Nah thats just them genetics
🔥🔥🔥🔥 thanks Coach
Dane. I see this RPR reset stuff. Says glute ham then erector should fire in that order. Wrong order means back injury. What do you think?
Really helpful one
I'm 40 now and I'd hate to stunt my growth as I progress towards senior citizen
Now do a video about what we should be doing for younger kids (specifically 8 yr old)
Don’t power lift,but do bodybuilding,or callisthenics
Strength training might be safe, promote injury prevention etc. but still the increased load on the bone that creates the benefits on the first place, may work against the growth plates after a certain point of volume and intensity.
Rewatch the video, or, alternatively... get lost.
Please share your opinion without watching the video.
what about growth of spine?
Well what about the claim that the testosterone changes it makes can stunt growth/close the growth plates early?
Whos that kid at 0:26? Hard to believe a 13 year olds squatting more than me
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Maybe it did for me im only 5’10 my dad is 6’2 and mom is 5’9 and cousins are 6’3 and 6’6 …but again I did a drastic diet in grade 9 to lose 30 lbs of fat in 3 months as well as running for one hour and lifting 6 days a week (without much proper training and resting) … I think nutrition and rest as well as genetics and injury prevention are more important to height than early weight lifting overall
Sometimes genetic mutations and other factors in the womb can make a baby average height or even shorter height even if the parents/family are tall
And vice versa
Plus 5'10 isnt even that bad infact thats pretty tall for the rest of the world.
Even in the US the average height is 5'9.5 so your slightly above average even in the west
Its more likely you had shittier nutrition and shittier sleep/sleep quality and also the drastic diet and these all contributed to you being slightly shorter or you just got unlucky and got the wrong genes.
You should get leg lengthening surgery,arm lengthening surgery and clavicle widening surgery then use an inversion table to decompress the spine
you could add up to 6-10 inches doing this.
The arm lengthening and clavicle widening is to balance out the proportions so you dont look goofy
@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 I keep thinking 5ft10 is average.
Yes it does! I put my kids into basketball and swimming to counter-act this!
Edit: This is clearly a joke and there is no need to argue about this
I would strongly consider watching this video to the end.
No, it does not…there is plenty of data that proves this. The American Academy of Pediatrics advocates lifting weights.
It doesn’t. Some studies even show that it’s the opposite
@@nickknack2523 Appropriately designed resistance training programs have no apparent negative effect on linear growth, physeal health, or the cardiovascular system…American Academy of Pediatrics 2020
My masters in exercise physiology, my 2 strength and conditioning certifications and my 35 years of lifting and training tell me you are incorrect.
r/woosh to all of you who didn't realise this is a joke
What is this guys background just a coach/dad ? Not researcher with years of data I’m confused
Do you remember at what age your growth stopped?
Remember, weight training doesn't need to involve any more dangerous powerlifting movements like yoy keep seeing in this video.
im.sure pressure in spine compressed my spine
Hello sir!
No. Been lifting since I was 7. Taking brewers yeast and cod liver oil. I'm 6ft 2 and got upto 280lbs. Puberty wise I was average so it's not if I was an early bloomer.
I have an identical twin. I started lifting around 13 he didn’t . He is and inch and a half taller than me
Weight training doesn't effect on growth my coach an throw athlete of 60's and now under him a total of 100-120 athletes had gone through but alot of 95% athletes have 6'1" plus height. IT DON'T EFFECT if proper guidance and good nutrition is given
I just wanted a yes or mo
Can anyone explain hairy palms?
There are no hair follicles on your palms unless you have an extremely rare genetic disorder called circumscribed hairy dysembryoplasia of palms. It happens if you ma*tu*b*te a lot
@@hypersus8547 how much is a lot?
@@NoPrivateProperty more than 7 times a week
@@hypersus8547 shit
@@NoPrivateProperty quit watching corn
Yes, it stunt growth, i'm only between 5 foot 9.5 inches /5'10, i went to the gym from 15 to 17 years old and my brother is 6 foot 2,my sister is a good 5 foot 7, i regrate this every fucking day.
sounds like genetics...
@@GarageStrength maybe,but from 13 to 15 years i was tallish and projected to be between 5 11 and 6 foot, my mom is 5 foot 5 and my dad is my same height but i have also tall grandparents, so if it was only genetics i had to be almost 5 11 or 6 foot
@@Ildoc98 nah it's genetics. Height is not always consistent across siblings and the projected heights are just suggestions based on average data. I have a friend who is 6'3 and has a brother who is 5'5. Anything can happen. You were going to be 5'10 whether you lifted weights or not. It is what it is.
@@gallafia3771 impossible your brother's friend is that small, do they have the same parents?
@@Ildoc98 yeah dad's 6'4 mom is 5'2. I have another friend whose parents are both 5'4 and he is 5'10 his brother is 6'. Another friend's mom is 5'3, dad is 5'11, he is 5'5 and his brother is 5'9. There is sometimes a correlation with the parent height, but not always.
Does not lifting help release growth hormones?
Stretching release more growth hormone for bones to grow more room.
Carrying weights on the other hand injures your muscle so their growth hormones just means recovering and build new muscle tissue instead of growing bones longer.
The children did not have spotters and the weights they were attempting was too much
This myth will never go away because of all the jacked manlets.
Haha true story
yes, never put your kids into weight training...go see volley ball girls and see their legs...2 meter
C.d.c even says resistance training is safe.