The Pro Display XDR Has Some Competition
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- At CES, Samsung and Dell both announced new monitors that they're hoping will take on Apple's Pro Display XDR. In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David discuss whether they think the new products are intriguing or not.
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I hope Samsung start investing in Dex mode more and this monitor becomes a companion device for it. I also want to see the camera on that monitor be supported on conferencing software like zoom in Dex mode.
Samsung needs to finish Tizen. There is a big gap in the market for tech interested people who want to divest from Google somewhat and don’t necessarily trust Apple either. Samsung is just another corporation, but a legitimate strategy for minimizing how involved you are with one company is to diversify. Windows or Linux laptop and then a separate phone and so on.
Would make so much sense if the features were supported by dex.
If it did (and was 37+" ultra wide), no doubt it would be my next monitor.
Sadly i think Samsung have given up on Dex which is a shame because i thought the concept was awesome
@@mattweller im not sure if i think they have given up, sinnce it receives some feature updates in OneUI 5 recently.
Pp
Loving all the monitor coverage lately. I'm in the market for one right now. Looking into either a mid-range Dell S2721DS 27" or Samsung S60UA 24". I'm happy with either since they're both have good color accuracy and range for my Graphic Designs.
As someone that uses that Dell daily I’m looking for another as it causes eye strain for whatever reason. (Could be many things but if you search it’s a thing)
I have a curved Samsung monitor and I can confirm it is beautiful no eye strain whatsoever
Samsung generally has better naming schemes for all of its products than most of the other companies.
True. If Samsung is great at one thing it's marketing and naming.
What’s wrong with VG27AQ1A and 27HC5R or G5 C34G55T… wait… oooooh…
@@mikaelbiilmann6826 I have VG27AQ1A right now. I wanted Samsung Odyssey G7 though if only it had slightly less curve or no curve.
they should have called that m9 as it comes after m5 m6 m8
Super excited for the S9, hopefully it is priced well.
Marquez has a “Truckla” shirt on!!! Haha! Cool shoutout to Simone Giertz 😊
The M8 is 32" but 4k and Built-In tv. The S9 is 27" 5k
Samsung added a 27" to the M8 line for 2023, but I haven't heard a release date or price yet.
I bought the 27” LG 5K Ultrafine display for $1,100 USD. It’s pretty much the same display LG makes for Apple’s Studio and 5K iMacs. …Hard to beat the price with this image quality. Not as beautiful as the Apple ‘s enclosure - but it gives me everything I want.
Just don’t see a new display topping this value.
Great introduction. Is Samsung ViewFinity S9 another matt screen? I wish it will be a glossy screen like Apple monitors. For me, I can ignore some glares but cannot ignore washed off colors. When most media consumers use a glossy screen like a phone or TV or laptop, I wonder why any media creator will want to use a glossy screen? Apple is again ahead of the pack in my opinion.
Yeah sadly the Samsang Viewfinity S9 will have a matte coating finish just like 99.9% of Monitors out there. Glossy Monitors for PC users (Windows) will always be extremely rare and hard to find. The Alogic Clarity 27" 4K UHD Monitor is glossy, I'm going to pick one up because of this.
Apple actually charges 1k for a matte screen.
I just wish someone made a companion monitor for the 24" M1 iMac. It's a hell of an all-around household computer, but I'd like one extra monitor for it on my desk that at least resembles the specs and looks of the iMac.
I'll bet that's coming. I have believed for awhile that Apple might be slowly phasing out iMacs altogether. They want you to buy a Studio Display/Mac Studio instead. Or XDR Display/Mac Pro. Or.....a 24 inch 4.5K monitor to be named later with a Mac Mini....
i wouldn’t doubt that apple releases a studio display 2 in their upcoming Spring event. Apparently their will me a max studio 2 so it’s possible, just hope it has 120hz
As a Samsung M8 buyer (and felt cheated by these reviewers who don't review a product properly), I can assure you that Apple will kill these comparisons by its quality and colour calibration.
Same here, those reviews does not mention crucial disadvantages of m8. I'm still satisfied user at this price point, but still, It is astonishing that almost none had complain on those viewing angles xD
S9 is IPS not VA
3:11 that is the first time I have ever seen a monitor design and immediate said it was hideous lol
Jesus christ it was like a jumpscare
One thing I did not understand is That you Don't really considering the S9 as a tool for photo and video editing but just as a conférence and industry monitor. 5k, DCI P3 at 99%, 27 inch, and Delta E
Not really the pro display xdr that has some competition rather the studio display i guess…
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This build quality + accessories with a lower resolution and higher refresh rate instead, I would absolutely buy.
Buy the gaming monitors from Samsung they are really good
Why did I get deja vu on the end part about air tags?
did you guys change anything recently? new cam? different post processing? Bit rate? this video is the best color I've seen on the channel. (not that its ever been bad)
Can y’all make a video on these monitors when they come out? Love your stuff all the important info in like ten something minutes
I'm surprised that Apple hasn't made a 120hz pro display yet. That would make it the best monitor at basically everything.
They are coming this year with Apple silicon Mac Pro with mini led Pro Display
Thunderbolt Display port can’t push 6k at 120hz.
They might be able to do 5k at 120hz. But they also don’t have DSC as far as I know, and thunderbolt caps out at Display port 1.4 I think
@@RiceCubeTech USB4 and thunderbolt 4 can do DP40 or DP80, the latter could do 4k 260hz at 10 bit color without DSC, so 6k 120hz should be fine.
@@b127_1 gotcha thanks for the heads up!
Webcam? Most people don’t care about how good it is. As long as you can be seen and not be pixelated will do
Not me, I want to be crystal clear so I can assert my dominance over everyone else in the teams meeting.
@@AndrewC89then just use IVCam with ur phone of buy a Camera
Apple's Webcam: "It took a lot... to be OK." Ouch. Take that, Apple. You deserve it.
Matte finishes will never be as good as glossy for color accuracy and professional work. Additionally 4K @ 32 is questionable DPI. Apple's definitely not worried.
The glossy issue is the glare on screen if you work on a bright environment. I can’t stand working in a dungeon to avoid glare. 😂
@@gugy68 matte finishes only make glare even worse as it makes reflections even bigger.
@@gmcubed not with my Apple Cinema Displays.
TruckLa tshirt, well done.
I feel like no one has made a good monitor yet which is kind of wild
What is a good monitor?
@@akyhne a dream monitor in my mind would be a 38” OLED 8k with 240Hz refresh rate, thunderbolt 4 port KVM with HMDMI 2.1, thin bezels, aluminum alloy material, VESA Mount, inbuilt speakers, inbuilt HD video camera and microphone, gloss finish screen with auto dimming, compatible with PS5.
@@shaynepd Ah, but that's a consumer monitor your want.
The Apple XDR is a prosumer product, meant for color critical work flows, like image & video color editing.
@@akyhne yeah I just wish there was any monitor with those specs on the market would be amazing !
@@shaynepdsounds like a fever dream of a monitor. Good luck running it full 8k 240 on a ps5. There is no connection standard that supports that kind of bandwidth yet. I appreciate the big dreams though.
the LG ultrafine being basically a generic studio display having been the biggest competition until now is actually shameful.
Did you just call the S9 with it's 600 nits a competitor to Pro Display XDR?
Yea none of the specs line up. 27 inch and 32 inch. LCD and miniLed. 5k resolution and 6k resolution. 600 peak brightness and 1600 peak brightness. The Dell ultrasharp 6k 32 inch monitor is probably closer.
Put some damn links for what monitors you are talking about in your descriptions!
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6:09 Viewfinity S8 instead of the S9 you talked about….
Love your t-shirt with the mishmash frankenstein porche car!
I hope that you do a review when it releases!
The one thing that the monitors don’t have is the software integration (adjusting the display brightness from the keyboard)
They probably do. Most monitors support a protocol called DDC which allows you to control the brightness from the computer. But Mac OS doesn't implement it natively. You have to install an application like Lunar or MonitorControl.
@@andybrice2711 I never heard about that, how do you know if a monitor uses DDC
LG monitors do. They have an app (LG OnScreen Control) that lets you change monitor settings via software.
there's an app named twinkle tray that sends ddc to control brightness with the keyboard or by scrolling on the icon on the tray.
I adjust my LG ultrafine 5k display with my mac keyboard
These are competitiors to the the Studio Display, not the Pro Display XDR.
32 inches, 6K on the Dell is obviously an XDR competitor.
@@BookClubDisaster It's not bright enough.
@@ajmarecki I'm sure it's plenty bright enough for me. If you shelled out $5K for a monitor without a stand and enjoy it, congrats. But I'm excited about this XDR Display for plebs like me.
I love how they name it Pro Display XDR and it cant even produce blacks correctly and is ment for YT content creators at best ,since every professional got way better displays
@@BookClubDisaster Chill dude, I own a $200 dell monitor. 600nits just isn't that bright. HDR is crap with that brightness. It's not all about black levels.
I will wait for the S10, 32" 6k with the XDR looks...
Bg music at 10% sound will be sweet 🫰
why do they keep attaching that AirTags stocking stuffer clip at the end of their recent clips, seems strange?
You put up a picture of the Viewfinity S8. The new S9 doesn't have nearly as big a bottom bezel.
Also don't forget the Studio Display webcam does NOT work on PCs or Intel macs.
I've seen that it does, but without the image processing features and 'Center Stage' where it zooms in and follows you around. So it does work, just will look worse and be less feature rich than using it on a mac.
@@alanlaverykind of odd that it only works on apple silicon macs considering the studio display has an a13 chip and onboard storage built into it. In theory those image processing features and center stage should always exist no matter what you use, as the same processor was used in apples other devices which had the same features.
You had me at the thumbnail, unless it’s over $1k then nvm
The lack of symmetry on Samsung's monitor kills it for me
I’m on the Market for a xdr… guess I better be waiting 🎉
Wondering if the S9 body is plastic like the M8?
I literally just bought an M8 dammit!
best is still the Studio Display. 5K, great speakers, the material, fast ports and you can adjust the brightness by using the keyboard. with the samsung screen you need to go to the settings of the samsung monitor
But you can’t connect to a windows pc and the refresh rate is 60, no HDR, webcam is not great
@@shaynepd jepp cam is not so great. could be much better but i don't need it. and my halo benq lamp covers the cam anyways😄 yes only 60 rate but for video editing, photoshop, office... it doesn't matter, maybe for specific games. i only play old school games and HDR content looks pretty good because of the 600 nits. i saw videos people using the studio Display with a pc windows machine, don't now how good it works.
i think the new samsung 5k momitor can be a good alternative to the studio display and also for a better price. i get it: the studio would be even nicer and more attractive if it has the same display technology as the macbooks
@@larrylaffer4304 I agree with everything you just said. It’s shocking there isn’t a display out there that ticks all the boxes, I’m stuck in an endless research loop trying to find a monitor that doesn’t exist even though the technology is there. Will be keen to see this Samsung 5k but it’s going to be a matte display. I might have to wait and see if this anticipated Mac Studio 7k monitor will have better connectivity and pro motion HDR 🤞
How can you compare 32" with 27" ?
the samsung is not a xdr display competitor... it's a studio display competitor.
What’s is the Samsung model? It’s not in the show notes?
We need more glossy monitors ...
one big reason why apple sells well, simple naming and a better website. tf are Samsung and lg and Sony smoking bruh
Aw…! dude got me excited about a 32” 5k display… that would be super interesting, but nah it’s 27” I’m pretty sure, which is also fine, but 32 would have been cooler imo.
Dude, the Dell is 32 inches, 6K.
@@BookClubDisaster yes, I did watch the video dude. 6k 32" is sweet, but then, I saw it...😱 I'm not super fussy about looks, but nah... also, prob outside my budget
5K crammed into 27’’ is actually a better quality screen, because of pixel density… I’ve been stuck with 5K downscaled to 4K at 27’’ for almost a year now (and for almost two years when it comes to the secondary screen) because the only two options in the market are expensive as hell.
If you don’t care about that, and it seems you don’t, you’d likely be better served with a 4K 32’’ TV or something, there’s a lot of those in the market already and they’re very cheap…
It is to support Retina scaling. 5K@27" is exactly 4x the pixels of 1440@27" which means the OS can just scale up 2x from the traditional and native 1440.
Remember when Apple said their monitor was the world's best and compared it to BVM HX310.
The only real competition for Apples studio display is Huawei Mateview 28". How did you guys leave that one out....
No one can beats samsung in display 🔥🔥
LG. LG is ahead
you drunk?
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 i thought lg use samsung displays
@@p.sthedrunkgamer6424 I'm pretty sure LG makes their own panels
@@junoperberry yeah i know, but on some displays the use samsung panels, you can research, i first heard about on LTT, when linus was comparing lg tv to a samsung one, it was a QDoled if im not mistaken, i dont remember, you search about it
Does Marques and co not attend to CES?
I bought the M8 a couple of weeks ago. The display was absolutely crap, my Lg 2k display was miles better. Returned it without a second thought. No way am I buying a samsung monitor again.
So no HDR ?
This video description was likely meant for a different video
OMG why 27"... can't they do something in between like 30"?
The Dell looks the coolest.
I’m confused. Is this actual competition?
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I'm always concern about plug this Samsung Monitors on my Mac and don't wake up fast.
Sadly apple doesn't play well with most monitors, my 4k ultrafine is the only one I have that does with my macstudio and it was a partnership. It's almost like they want us to limit our choices.
@@ggproductions7078Samsung Odyssey G5. Works perfectly fine with my MacBook.
@@dinervc9582 Oh, thanks for letting me know, I will have a look. Have a great day
Samsung Smart TV Features included. I read this as your monitor spies on you.
Does it have 144hz?
I am not a fan of monitor’s built-in cameras and speakers. Those are not ideal for any user who needs dual monitors. On average, a monitor lifespan is at least 10 years, so who doesn’t like to upgrade web cameras and speakers?
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Dell's design is weird it seems upside down for some reason :)
None of these guys seem to know what they're talking about.
First, the Samsung M8 is not at all a Studio Display competitor, as it is neither the same size (32' instead of 27') nor the same definition (4k instead of 5k), which makes the pixel density gap even further, making the M8 an average 32' 4k which will not please mac users in terms of image quality and mac os scaling issues...
They don't even remember whether the screen they are reviewing is 32 inch or not.
- "so it's a 27' 5k, mmh no i'm not sure"
- ''of you're probably reading the specs of M8 instead" (uh, no since the M8 is 4k)
At the end of the review, I still don't even know the size of the monitor, congrats ! I guess the conclusion "the Samsung probably looks just as good as the studio display" is meant to describe the design of the screen and not the spec...
So for those who are wondering, the Samsung VueFinity is a 27 inch 5K.
So it is actually the competitor to the STUDIO display, and not even close to the XDR which is a 6K 32'.
I think lol are confusing Samsung DISPLAYS with their monitors … when I go to Microcenter all the refurbished products are Samsung monitors and it’s atleast 16 of them ..
So outside of working in a company no one else will use the Dell..really?.. NOT!
Ya'll talking about the bezels. Who cares? Obviously I'd love an XDR Display but I'm not rich so for the right price I will gladly snag the Dell: the XDR for plebs.
Took them a couple years to catchup
Just use a magic Markers and paint black.
i am watching this with a samsung m7 4k 43 inch smart monitor. :)
Samsung is putting its “smart TV tech” into its displays? Is that something that one can opt out of? I refuse to buy any “smart” display because I want to own the product I buy; not lease it for the period that the manufacturer wants to allow me to use it.
Ok boss, I hit the like button!!
The M8 is 32 inches
Confused - and where is the competition? Less for less isn't an answer when apple gives you more for more.
Things that never happen....
Those monitors are so small though.
U3223qz has so many problems it’s no even worth it. Have one and the price tag of 1400 euro is a joke.
If the 6k is the same then good night
samsung is 27 inch, this is your profession right? how do u not know that?
Killer business model make something and price it the same as the Apple equivalent.
BRO REMENDER WHO MAKE DISPLAY FOR APPLE ? IS SAMSUNG
Well yeah most companies who need screens aren't going to build a factory. Smartphones have all sorts of outsourced parts. I would wager Apple actually makes more of their phones parts than any other company. Besides the Pixel, the iPhone is the only phone running software made in house (besides Huawei maybe haha).
That means nothing.
LG makes the LCD panel on the studio display.
If it doesn’t have HDR1000 capability, they are not competitors at all.
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Samsung makes top tier monitors. But then you turn them on and have to deal with Samsungs operating system and it just goes downhill from there 🤦🏻♂️
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Samsung wants to be Apple so bad. They are stuck as being..well Samsung, who doesn’t really have an equivalent, but their history and position prevents them from being the same kind of luxury brand that Apple is.
Samsung should buy Dell and try to…actively not be Apple. Finish Tizen as a desktop-mobile OS (leverage the work in Linux from things like Proton and throw money at it to make it usable by normal people…that is literally what Apple did…not the Proton part but the throw money at the desktop until people took it seriously)
Try to beat Microsoft while they are relatively weak and become the desktop standard.
Dell has some experience selling Linux laptops, and Samsung has some experience working with Linux and building Linux software. It makes sense, and would allow them both to achieve their dream of beating up Apple (get intel on it too. They have their own in house Linux distribution, so they also know how to work with Linux. Just flesh out the user experience so that you don’t have to be a tech person to use it for anything more than surf the web and answer emails. But don’t Google it up. Leave the terminal and package manager and bash all there for people that want that but then never talk about it again and make it a full graphical experience for everyone else)
I wish monitor manufacturers would make 5K+ monitors bigger, rather than cramming more pixels into 32-inches. It's far healthier for your eyes to have a slightly lower resolution monitor and place it further away.
Not at all. All else being equal, higher resolution is better for your eyes. Problem is people are clueless about how to scale/zoom/font adjust to make text bigger on higher res monitors.
I feel like the replies have completely ignored what the comment stated. The distance of your monitor matters because you don't have to cross your eyes as much when it is further away. There is a reason that you will find eye specialists and doctors telling you to look at something 20 feet away every once in a while to relax your eyes, the human eyes are not designed to cross and stare at something directly in front of you for hours on end.
It seams like everyone copy Apple design no one is creative than Apple
We speak way too much about those two brands
Maybe I will get me a new Samsung monitor
Samsung 5K in 27 inch? Forget it: unreadable too small letters to read. At least 32 inch needed.
You can pretty easily adjust font and zoom and, as a last resort, scaling settings. I'm shocked how many people don't realize the myriad ways of customizing font. I'm legally blind but using the 5K Studio Display.
Went to a Samsung store,the moment I touched the M8 monitors, it’s decided the studio display is of much better quality and walked away.
Who would think Samsung were good at making screens?
Competition is offering same for less or more for same, after years of development Samsung did neither…
6k sooo necessary lol
Sorry. For me, all new hi-tech displays become more garish and unnaturally sharp. But if you love a synthetic world, please go ahead.