Ironclad (2011) - Templars VS Danish Mercs! (English Castle Siege)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- This is what happens when your budget is somewhat "big", but definitely not big enough for what you're attempting to do. F - for effort?
Nah, I still enjoyed the movie and in some cases it actually provides spectacular scenes.
But in general, I can't help it, it screams "cheap" at me.
It's a shame, some Kingdom of Heaven vibes but fell short, a lot short.
Even in this way it is definitely worth watching, but it could have been more memorable, epic even. Just like Kingdom of Heaven. I bet they tried, but what do I expect from project of this magnitude being backed by the UK council... They really needed the Hollywood money for this one. Just saying...
Acting was decent, I particularly liked Paul Giamatti's portrayal of King John.
Oh yeah, and it was pretty bloody, if you into that kind of thing ( like me), that is always a bonus in my book.
Give it a try!
Fun fact, it was also common for Templars to train their armored horses to bite the necks/throats of enemy infantryman during battle. They were extremely skilled on horseback
Brutal
I wonder if they gave the the horse a command to kick as well
@@VoltLuck17 Horsemen of the Ottoman empire did train their horses to kick on command, thereby using their horse as a weapon.
Then you woke up
but they can't bite through chainmail and/or padded armor
One thing I most appreciate about this movie is how it depicts Thomas Marshal's sword fighting style, using real historical HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) swordsmanship techniques like Halfswording and Mordhau (Hilt Strike) in the clip here
Shows that Knights had a fighting style that was just as sophisticated and precise as Samurai, not just swinging swords wildly in a clumsy manner like big budget Medieval movies and TV shows like to do
Thx for the insights!
I’ve been saying the same thing ever since I saw this movie. Such a beautiful dance he performs and accurate to the Templar Knight fighting style. Details like this make movies great
@@brandonfritz5410 Well we don't really know what the Templar fighting style was. Especially given that they were primaruly Cavalry. But the use of various parts of sword (such the pommel and hilt) is realistic assumption.
@@Giagantus Fists also
I know you're trying really hard but I gotta ask.
What part of hema has giant telegraphed overhead swings that can cut 1/2way through a person and spinning around in circles?
Despite all historical inaccuracies, during the time this movie came out it was like a breath of something really realistic action. Apparently I always noticed concept of defending a castle being heavily outnumbered, like 30 men are able to fight back an assault of 200-300 attackers using their fortification advantage.
oh it works.... that's why soldiers loath house to house fighting.... the defenders usually have the advantage.
i cant remember the name of this stand, but it was some revolt againts the french crown in late medieval history. Where 100 men (some rebels but apperantly they had military expience from the contingent of some unhappy noble) fortified and held some small hill at a crossroad, from where the french army roughly around 10 000 men were supose to go through (so they can go pillage the lands and punish these "rebels"). These men held back the entire french army there for almost 6 hours before a relief force came in the back of the french army and routed them.
Yeah, that was kinda why they put so much time money and effort into building them. It really wasn't a very long sighted plan to lure American tourists to England.
@vasilandrikov2179 Lincoln and Rochester both had long sieges in this conflict but the one where they mine one corner (this one) was Rochester. You can still see where they dropped the corner, and the patch up job they did on it. The rest of it looks like it was made yesterday and probably will do in another 1000 years time.
EDIT: sadly the outcome was not as this movie portrays. It eventually fell and John took it, only for the French to land when shortly afterwards while on his way to meet the ftench he died of dysentery (a bunch on monks poisoned him when he stayed at their Inn on his way and tragically died, of, urm 'dysentry". So yeah he did die but probably not as they confidently say at the end, and he did eventually squash this siege and no templar was allowed to forget his oath and they didn't all live happily ever after. Other than that it was, well, somewhat accurate.
@@juanmacias418untill jdams were invented
best budget to action ratio you will ever see
I'd say so, although Downrange (2017) is pretty damn close too.
I can't see anything, the camera is too shaky and too zoomed in
also when you see any dude without helmet, you know he have the power of plot armor and strength of thousand man!
If I ever make a medieval tv show I’m getting this director for the pilot.
Why not :)
I feel you but the double bladed axe is an utter travesty.
Overly shakey camera
Better off getting the fight choreographer tbh
I'll have vikings with machineguns.
And seige engines,yes and not only one but 2 of them. And people tossing rocks because that's what we do now.
The "Danish" soldiers speak Hungarian almost all the time (in this movie) it was funny to me to hear my mother language in a random movie scene I've found
Might have been shot in Hungary. So many things are nowadays
Tartom a kaput! :)
The for sure not speak Danish 😅
Kinda ridiculous that they portrayed the Danish troops as bloodthirsty vikings even though the viking era ended like 200 years ago at the time this scene takes place
@@TheMiist From what I read, the film was shot in Wales.
Camera man: Mr.Director, how much camera shake do you want?
Directory: How much do you got?
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Terrifically entertaining movie. James Purefoy played the character of Marc Antony brilliantly in the HBO series ROME. He was equally brilliant playing the emotionally hardened and battle hardened Templar in IRONCLAD. This movie is kind of a Magnificent Seven, meets The Alamo, meets Kingdom of Heaven, meets The Messenger, type of movie.
While this movie in particular is definitely not all that historically accurate, i'd argue that in spite of this fact - it's still more so than many/most other films set in the same time period, especially when it comes to the combat/choreography. I think people have a real problem with reviewing/analyzing films as if they exist in a vacuum. When analyzing how historically accurate/realistic a film or tv-show is, you have to compare it to all other existing films and tv shows, while also keeping in mind the budget that the film creators had to work with when making them.
Agreed, exactly my point in my description.
I’ve heard a good way to describe it is to get the vibe and feel of the time, even if it’s not entirely accurate, authenticity of period over accuracy I think is the term
Better than most woke BS today ,including the marvel rubbish.
@@terryharris1291 Amen! Politically speaking i actually am a socialist, so I'm not necessarily opposed to some of the "woke" messages themselves. The problem i have with "woke" films and tv-shows is the fact that these messages/themes are so blatantly and incompetently implemented. They always have horrible writing, which of course includes horrifically written 2-dimensional characters who seem to exist solely to advance specific narratives. For instance - i have no problem with a badass female heroin protagonist per-se, what I hate is when they are written to be these infallible and over-powered Mary Sues, like say - Rey from the Star-Wars sequel trilogy or something. Not to mention the fact that so many of the creators nowadays seem to take pride in annoying the fuck out of so many of their potential viewers/fans. Everyone, regardless of their political/social points of view, are all at the end of the day -deserving of being able to go see a movie without being preached to for two straight fuckin hours!
I like this film a lot the castle fight scene at the end is just the best Blood, Swords and Glory. Love the Templar Knight he's my favorite character
Love or hate this film Paul Giamatti is incredible in it
his acting was great, it surprised me alot seeing him in it.
He pretty much does well whatever type of character he portrays great actor.
Despite what ever flaws This film has, it definitely has a great cast of actors
If I remember correct James Purefoy said in an interview that during some of these scenes they blasted Motorhead - Ace of spades on set. Always found that kind of funny.
5:16 For Honor top heavy over a minion
Amazing swordsmanship and great use of the Greatsword
greatsword in that time dosent exist 😃
@@aleksandarjankovic39 link to article/articles or it didn't happen...
@aleksandarjankovic39 those ones did. Thats about the right time frame for em. The true "Greatsword" however, did not.
Archers firing from the same distance as the trebuchets, lmfao.
Yeah... they could shoot further
@@eggsiclefishstick5569 Do you mean the archers could shoot further? If so then sorry but no, they couldn't.
The Warwolf trebuchet built in 1304 for the siege of Stirling Castle could project a rock 200 yards. My own 75lb yew longbow can just about match that. Yew warbows lifted from the Mary Rose (and written about in 13th and 14th Century documents) had draw weights of 140-180lb with effective ranges of up to 400yds. That's largely how the Battle of Crécy was won in 1346 - the superior range of the English longbow compared with the Genoese crossbows.
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@@davidjames2145 I think he is talking about the trebuchets being able to shoot further
@@rigopogr2113 I got my first two sentences back-to-front. 🙄
Archers could unquestionably shoot further than a trebuchet. The main part of my response was therefore correct; longbows could outdistance a trebuchet. Whether the archers could actually disrupt the trebuchet operations though is a different question.
@@davidjames2145 there's no way you can do that.
Archers shooting further than an artillery piece? It can not.
Need proof of that than off books and paper
5:14 I like how they equated going apeshit with a greatsword to someone throwing a grenade.
"I cant catch a break! Everytime shit happens to me!"
meanwhile, your very own ancestors on an average wednesday in 1215:
wasn't the best movie ever but i enjoyed it for sure. one little detail i liked was the symbolism of his white surcoat. i think after he breaks his vow of silence it looks quite a bit grimier, and after he breaks his vow of chastity he stops wearing it altogether. you can visually see him making his own peace with leaving the order.
“CLEAR!!!”
Epicness follows soon after!
Those trebuchets are no joke!
I think if I were one of those ladder dudes I would get my buddies and offer to help with the trebuchets for a few more hours.
Finally someone using greatsword like it should be used
I love how fast the men on the trebuchets were working
they have an exact replica at Dover Castle...its huge
I'm a simple man.
I see Paul Giamatti.
I click video.
Kings have no other weapons than their Words & their Swords. THE KING
Great movie with some historic foundation. I've watched it three times and would watch it again.
After King Agamemnon was killed in Troy and Mark Anthony suicided in Alexandria, both respawned in the middle-ages and became friends...
That was the most awesome medieval action scene I've ever seen
For me personally it would have to be the Kingdom of Heaven (2005), but this one could be a close second in term of combat indeed. Joan of Arc (1998) has some decent fight scenes too and more recently The King (2019).
I might've enjoyed the one on one fights if the editing wasn't so choppy for each fight.
Oh the dreadful "shaky cam" and "action" cuts.
Sadly, it was probably needed because none of the actors were "competent fighters" and the scenes would look ridiculous without it - just a hunch.
well the movie was made 11 years ago so tech was still catching up
Maybe they could have toned the choppiness down a tad-bit, but it didn't really bother me. We all know they were trying to enhance the chaotic feeling of battle.
Ironclad is one of my favorite movies
Holy shit it got more graphic than I expected when I saw the face being smashed in like DAMN
that gigantic Templar sword! badass
If that was a claymore i might like it
When in doubt, attack!
The catapults and arrows seemed to be doing a great job against the castle walls and its defenders. I am no siege expert or anything, but I guess the only reason why an army wouldn’t continue pounding them with catapult and arrow fire, would be that you’d want to take the castle mostly structurally intact, rather than one that was pummeled to the ground by catapult fire.
Otherwise, why bother to send your men in that early instead of just continuing to pummel them from a distance for at least a day or two.
Agreed. I mean, there was like 6 knights plus some peasant defending it against a hundred. I think they thought job done.
The real castle that this movie is based on has a mote to, which would have complicated things for breaching the wall. While your troops are filling in the moat to make a path to the wall, your heavy siege engines are working on bringing down the wall so you can breach with out climbing. Climbing like you saw in the movie that the defenders could manage the army attacking, even though they had several dozen defenders. Arrows is debatable, however bring the wall down to make an opening you can just walk through is quite effective. Storming the castle is a time thing, if you need the castle now, storm it. other wise it's much better to wait and starve them out, though this could take months.
Arrows were expensive
@@matthewhoppe3643 yes they where, granted they had plenty of time to make them. Garrison would run out of supplies eventfully to make them, however rocks are very nice. The group sieging the castle, plenty of time and option to get resources to make arrows.
@@matthewhoppe3643 : Arrows may have been costly, but paying to replace actual solders had to be a lot more costly I would think - especially mercenaries.
I've never paid much attention to this movie since that last time I saw it, around 10 years ago. Now that I'm a learned man, especially in the field of medieval stuff, this movie is pretty cool! Sure it has some inaccuracies here and there but from the action point of view, it was pretty realistic (for an action movie). Also I appreciate Marshal's Templar look. Surcoat over lamellar armor with chainmail underneath (maybe even a gambeson under it) is a pretty tight dripWear a helmet and dude's practically invincible in real fight.
Damn, nice to see someone using ACTUAL historic longsword techniques in a fight scene like this. Would have been nice to see a little more rotation when he was fighting in the courtyard to keep his attacks and parry’s going, but thats just a personal wish. Cant complain when we actually get a realistic fight!
6:48 Purefoy so badass
one of James Purefoy's best performances imo.
Agreed.
This, Solomon Kane, and Rome, the trifecta
@@williampoole1742 trifecta? never heard of it, nor could I find it on IMDB - with james in it
@@pibmovieclips No no 🤣 I was saying those three that I listed are the James Purefoy trifecta in my opinion, as in the three best movies of his
@@williampoole1742 ME STUPID POTATO, ME NOT COMPUTE WHAT YOU SAID, ME ONLY 2 IQ, ME MAYBE DO BETTER NEXT TIME...
Look, it's BOVINE! Lo, there do I see my...
This is... Pure... Beautiful
4:55 "you hit em! Hard!"
5:15 Him: *decapitates a man in half*
Literally lol
Cleaves. Decapitation is the removal of the head.
Decapitated in half
In small castle like that it would have around 20 positions for each man to defend, sort of like the film 300, only so many man can attack what is not there. There is no 2 mile wall perimetre.
The only issue was the lack of moat here, or they would of had to only use trebuchets, and the stone that was used to build these castles in england was notoriously strong, also the design to deflect projectiles. The mistake they made was throwing small numbers, a few hundred in to each attack instead of the entire army, also not utilising night attacks, or diseased corpsed catapulted in. But it is a film. Very strong fortress for the size. The Normans when they took island also took the knowledge of building these castles from france all the way to constantinople. Before the battle of hastings english castles were not much more than wooden attempts.
The actor who played King John kills it. Wait a minute! That's Paul Giamatti in a blonde wig!
I would say MVP of the movie, followed by a close second by James Purefoy.
Jesus, this is brutal but said in Templar
One of the best Medieval Era War Movie and way better than the cheesy King Arthur series. Haha !!!
Behind you! CLEAR!
While watching the video, it occurred to me; if I were a commander, I would place damp straw around the castle.I would set fire to this straw, create a smoke shield, block the enemy's line of sight, and wait at the ready behind the smoke screen. I made a calculation with artificial intelligence. Smoke from 1 ton of moist straw can reduce visibility to 0 in an area 10 meters high and 5 km long. This process takes approximately 2 hours. If you ask what will happen after 2 hours 🤷 I don't know, let the king think about the rest 🤣
5:19 Beckett pulls off a triangle attack woth AOE! 🤣
CLEAR!!!!
This was probably a huge battle that had 30 extras fighting it, the series SHARPE was the same for me, with very few extras trying to replicate a battle of 1000s
You have to work with what you have. I liked Sharpe too.
the technique Marshal is using is called Half-swording. It utilizes the full length of the longsword from its tip to the pommel but it's best you do it when using gloves our you're bound to lose some fingers.
That would be technically a great-sword, no? Long-sword still technically still a single hand weapon?
@@pibmovieclips not sure actually. Best look it up
@@pibmovieclips I very much apologize of being late, but most of the time you'd use a long-sword with a two hands, either in a half-swording position (as OP said) or just holding the grip with two hands.
I don't know but I don't think half-swording was used with great swords, since I never really used one.
I've always been fascinated with trebuchets. I made a small version of one when I was in highschool for physics class and I luckily got the best score then all the other projects. Mind you I still failed physics class with a 48%. I hate pysics.
I can relate, I just didn't fail physics. Makes no difference. Trebuchets are cool as F.
I mean the trebuchets were a little unnecessary but overall great depiction of what medieval warfare was like
3:20 DUDE.... TALK ABOUT REALISTIC HOW TF DID THEY EVEN DO THIS LOL
Lindybeige sent me. They must have had massive oil refinery projects in 13th Century for all these weirdly massive and explosive trebuchet balls.
Lindy knows my channel? O.O
@@pibmovieclips Nah, he just reviewed the movie, sorry.
@@mrviking2mcall212 That's what I thought :D, it's OK
That long sword cutting that man near in half 👏
A claymore or English variant I think?
Mark Antony vs Ulfric Stormcloak, AMAZING FILM! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Wait? Ulfric is in the movie? Who was the voice?
@@pibmovieclips Vladimir Kulich, he plays the Viking mercenary leader.
@@Emperor.Penguin. Holy shit! you for real?
That dude was beyond awesome in in the film The 13th Warrior as Buliwyf - i need to make video about that movie soon. Last time i tried YT didn't allow it, but I'll make it a special with voiceover to make it a pass. that movie deserves it :)
¡Vaya realismo! Esa carnicería se ve tan pero tan real que "Corazón Valiente" ("Brave Hearth") se le queda chiquita 🫣
my ancestors fighting my ancestors with the help of my ancestors and their allies, my other ancestors
my only gripe with this epic film is I wish the archer had lived longer he was so cool, just legolas like picking off barbarians in this scene would have loved it to have continued through the film!
4:55 Marcus Antonius saves Frodo
6:34 Agamemnon says, "and don't f***ing come back!"
I forgot how frantic(terrible) the camera angles and edits are, but still a good gem for those who like medievil battle scenes. Seriously, there isn't a single shot during the action that doesn't contain a cut or a violently moving camera for more than 2 seconds in this entire movie lol.
I really think it is out of necessity; I think they have tried static camera shots and didn't like it - looked too scripted unnatural.
You really need the actors of being able to do what they are doing on screen before you can utilize static shots,
else it looks looks ridiculous.
Shake cams are popular because it hides the inconsistencies of the actors, and it makes it look a lot more hectic than it would be in a static shot - making it more action-like.
Not a phone in sight just people being people. Truly a simpler time
XD
Love it. The actors faces seems familiar. Like I already saw them somewhere else
I had the same feeling! Then I realized, the main templar was the bad guy in resident evil one.
we need more medieval movies with gore like this...
Templars vs Vikings
Those "Danes" are speaking Hungarian.
Yess....en is ugy gondolom
It's the medieval version of a CIA covert operation
Lőjetek, gyerünk, támadás, nyissátok a kaput, visszavonulunk, biztosan elhangzik😅😅😅
Still one of the best fight scenes ever
I wouldn't go that far, and I love gore. But certainly well done job with the budget they had.
Is that a joke?
Just watched last night. Epic
The Danes being portrayed as pagan barbarians is hilarious.
This is Rochester castle, I love round the corner from it😂😂
This movie was awesome I just finished watching it
5:15 awesome!!
I had to check it again if I have seen it correctly the first time I saw this. Producers had some balls to show this, and yes, I find this awesome too.
"Loose!" - At last. Mostly they say fire which is ridiculous.
Touche
Why can’t I find this movie anywhere? Not even Amazon has it?
It's definitely on Amazon, at least UK Amazon.
Holy crud! I get it, it was brutal back then. 😊
Templars were protectors of all Christians and were betrayed by the monarchs; the fact that they don’t have emblematic monuments is…. Disappointing. Rest in Peace Milites Christi ✝️
And murdered thousands of pagans
The Danish people speak Hungarian 😂😂 lol
Such as for example:
- open the gates! ( nyissátok a kapukat! )
- back to camp! ( vissza a táborba! )
It is soo funny!😂😂😂
So it’s basically GoT + Kingdom of Heavens, nice
What weapon was Beckett using? That was like an axe polearm! So sick
halberd?
Honestly, actors did their part here, but the director / editor failed this scene.... the filming was painful and jumpy, the build up of the scene was a let down, and the flow was hard to stay w/ due to the 500000 jump cuts w/ shake cam!! Sorry actors, you did your part.
A trebuchet has a fire rate of about two shots per hour. After every shot you have to wait till the weight didn´t swing anymore, and then you have to bring the arm down with the winch and reload. In this movie it looks like the shoot 10 rounds a minute.
That is interesting, I wouldn't imagine one shot could take longer than 10 min to reload myself, but I have never looked into it or seen anybody mentioning rate of fire in any video I ever watched on the subject.
How great this would have been without the shaky cam.
Living those times would be a miracle if you make it to your 30s
People died in their 30s on average, yes
i love seeing costumes reused between films. some of the danes wear the brigandines found on the northumbrians in vikings.
POV Me defending a seige in bannerlord
King john was still the winner in the end his descendents ruled england and Ireland for 300 years
Outstanding film
Outstanding scene. Even tho no way those archers are shooting that far lol
I'm just glad it exists in the first place. Beggars can't be choosers.
Not like we get many movies with medieval theme in the first place.
2H sword, Grand Master mastery
Glorious!!!
i dont care what history nerds claim. i love this movie. the historical accruacy police think every movie need to be accruate. this movie is pure fun.
I used to be one of them, but then I started thinking,
If it can make up for it's historically innacuracies with like... the actual quality and how good the film is, then I'll allow it.
I think this scene is exactly that, historically innacurate but good enough that it doesn't even matter.
Oh shet! Its mark Anthony!!!! XD
Splitting people in half in another timeline and borrowing their meme-phrases? Thats soldiering.
Spliting guy on half and shield behind him rise score of movie from 6.5 to 7.5
The drunken cameraman is making me seasick!
Deus Vulte! Sempre.
Has the cameraman had too much coffee? The shaking is just too much.
I think it will be the other way around. Dude has normally coffee instead of blood, but decided to quit...
This was a fun movie to be an extra in, albeit wet
You one of the extras?
@@TheShadowFox1 yup
Damn! Spanish (Hispanic) mercenaries in the ranks
@@vastpiano5552 I is not hispanic innit...
Sometimes i wonder why they dont just push the ladders off
For real, but just the fact it was actual tool commonly used for sieges means it probably wasn't as easy to do as we imagine.
@@pibmovieclips I’m guessing they would’ve just sent men to hold the ladder or tie a weight on top to stop it from falling
@@anaraschulz9814 I remember Lindybeige explaining this one before, but I have already forgotten what he said about it. All I know is that it made sense - it wasn't so easy.
What is the option? Charge for the gate and you end imprisoned behind the iron gates. Build a seige engine and it will be in range of archers. But even then it wouldn't be able to punch a hole big enough to make it possible to walk through the rubble. For that we'll need some modern artillery. Castles were taken by starvation or by treason. The defender never needed to stand on the wall, they had windows to shoot with crossbow. Then the question remain what kind of king didn't had their own army if they were important enough. The castle was the last resort after the battlefield and not a place you went to win a war.
it's easier if people just start climbing, impossible with more people on ladder.