Guys who use peds while active players to break records set by legends get mild suspensions. But one of the greatest is band for life for managerial mistakes. I'm against this ban
Rose saw a Sign every single day he came to the ballpark that said no betting on Baseball. He did anyway. Then LIED about it for another 15 years . He ain't getting in
It's like Pete himself has said and it is absolutely true. He said, and I quote, "If I had been busted for drugs instead of gambling, I'd still be managing the Reds and baseball would be paying for my rehab." Daryl Strawberry is a prime example. A drug addict who took illegal drugs WHILE PLAYING the game and the Yankees offered to pay for his rehab. Gambling AND drug use are BOTH violations of MLB rules and policies, but Strawberry did not receive a lifetime ban from the game. Without Pete Rose in the hall of fame, there is no hall of fame, and him receiving a lifetime ban from the game is a travesty. The commissioner could easily reinstate him with the stipulation that he could never hold another job in MLB. After all, as Pete also said, he has more records than Michael Jackson. PUT HIM BACK IN!!
Gambling is far more damaging to the game, or has the potential to damage the game far more than roids. Roids put butts in seats, fixed games could completely destroy the owners' profits because nobody wants to watch a fixed game, even if fans suspected that it was fixed they wouldn't go or watch on TV. Baseball isn't pro wrestling.
Nope. Pete did far more damage to the game by disrespecting the game by gambling on it. He then did even more damage by rolling the dice in 1989 and not coming clean to Uebberoth. He then did even more damage by not coming clean when they showed him the evidence and he still decided to fight it. He then did even more damage by denying about it for 15+ years and lying about it. He then did even more damage by still lying about it today. Don't think for a minute that Manfred did more damage than Pete Rose because it is simply not true.
@@roland7584 To be fair, Manfred is also damaging the game by injecting leftwing politics. Moving the all-star game out of Atlanta was completely unwarranted. Allowing Krapler of the Giants to disrespect the anthem is unconscionable. And the DH sucks ass - 9 players, 9 gloves, 9 bats, that's baseball. What's next? Unlimited substitutions? Only your 4 best batters will hit? This isn't football or basketball. Why are the owners and Manfred trying to appeal to ignorant leftists who have zero sense of tradition and history?
@@ThekiBoran What sport hasn't made similar decisions? If you're going to call out Manfred, you may as well call out all the commissioners of other sports. I hate the DH, but I didn't know the it was a leftwing conspiracy. The only difference between baseball and the NBA and NFL is that baseball has been the poster child for its entire life for the government to get involved when it shouldn't be. I didn't see Congress take the NFL into hearings over steroids, but they used baseball at the time to turn the country's eyes away from the housing mess they had created before it all blew up. I didn't see Congress take the NFL in for what their plan would be for CTE which is a far worse issue than steroids ever could be. Baseball has made only 1 good decision in the last 40 years and that was banning Pete Rose for life. Everything since then, they've walked on egg shells and got it wrong until the game was losing so many fans that there was nothing they could do but change rules to try and keep the younger generation interested. It's too bad they were too stupid to realize that none of the rule changes would work, and they haven't even gained the younger crowd but they've also lost a large part of the 40 and over crowd, so now they're screwed.
@@roland7584 I never said the DH was a leftwing conspiracy, you're just being an anus. And I don't g.a.f. about other sports. And the market should determine the cost of money, not the central bankers who are to blame for the boom/bust cycle and the debauchery of our unconstitutional fiat currency.
I'm just about sure that we all know what is going to happen. After Pete Rose dies and is not around anymore, THEN Pete Rose will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. In my opinion the Baseball Hall of Fame will never be up to date or in other words complete until his legacy in baseball attached to his name is next to the other Baseball Greats. Its sad that he won't be able to enjoy it but that's the unwritten deal that we all know to well that happens in many aspects of life.
I agree that Pete rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Should have been there a long time ago. But if you think he's going to get in after he dies? Three little words; Shoeless Joe Jackson.
@@ronfowlermusic Ron Santo didn't bet on baseball did he? Pete is not getting in when he dies nor will he get in after his kid dies nor will he get in after 10 other commissioners come in to decide. There is nothing to decide.
He will never get in. Not now. Not THEN. Not ever. Joe Jackson is still waiting and he didn't lie for 30 + years. Pete did this to himself. Yes it is sad that he did this to himself but it's not sad that he won't be able to enjoy it. He sealed his fate with Uebberoth when he decided to gamble one more time and not admit to betting on baseball. At that point, MLB spent a ton of time and a ton of money proving the evidence that they already had that Pete thought wasn't enough to take him down. He made that decision to gamble on games; no one else put him up to that. He made the decision to not admit it to Uebberoth; no one else put him up to that. He denied it and lied about it for 15+ years; no one else put him up to that. He still lies about pieces of it today; no one else put him up to that. He deserves every bit of nothing that the Hall of Fame has given him.
The commissioner is a very smart man. And obviously a good dancer. He danced around a lot of issues in order not to deal with them directly. I do agree that you cannot put Pete in a position to be able to influence the game, much as it pains me to say because I absolute love these guy. I would love to see him on the field as a manager or as a coach because i am a fan of baseball and as he said correctly, he has been the greatest ambassador of baseball. More so though, he does belong in the Hall of Fame because of his on the field accomplishments. Pete only real mistake by the current rules is that he got caught before he got in the Hall of Fame. My point being, how many guys did a lot of bad things that we are only finding out about now that are in the Hall of Fame? Are they getting their plaques pulled down from the walls? Cobb, supposedly a murderer and a bigot. Wagner, wouldn't play a game with a Negro on the field. Mantle, an adulterer and alcoholic. Remember Wade Boggs and Margo Adams? How about the ones that are not even Hall of Fame worthy that still have been given second and third and eighth chances? Steve Howe back in the 80s? Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry? I'll even say this: even if Pete bet on the Reds to lose and then manipulated the game, what he did on the field as a player deserves merit into the Hall of Fame. How can you keep those accomplishments out of the building that's supposed to represent the best in baseball?
As much as it pains me, I'll agree. Pete does not belong in a position to be able to influence the game. That means as a manager, coach, any place where you can be on the field to talk to anyone influencing a game themselves. But when all is said and done, Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame without question. If we took out everybody did something wrong in life, half the people in the Hall of Fame, probably more, would not be in there right now. That being said, Pete's only mistake was getting caught before he got into the Hall of Fame.
@@bhk5150 This is not about doing something wrong in life. It's about Rule 21 that was in place that everyone knew especially Pete since he walked into a MLB clubhouse more times than anyone on the face of the earth. He bet from the clubhouse. What kind of egotistical fool do you have to be to do that right before game time day after day as if they'll never catch you? His mistake wasn't getting caught. It was the fact that he did the betting in the first place. He is the one that has tainted the game and now this story lives for so long and rips the very fibers of the game for no reason because this story has to be talked about all the time. There is no comparing him to what others did. This is about Pete and only about Pete. He did it. Be broke the rule that gets you permanently placed on the ineligible list.
@@roland7584 he dodged the question about whether he should be in and would he vote for him. And of course he should answer the questions, he’s the BASEBALL commissioner for heavens sake.
Lots of judgements here against Pete Rose for a sin he has admitted to and asked forgiveness. He has had the passion of his life taken away from him. Some people mention getting different sets of morals if one believes Mr. Rose has done his time, asked forgiveness but should still be banned. I suggest that these people not only need to get another set of korals..... they need to actually GET a set of morals. Showing someone grace and forgiveness is amongst the best things we as humans can do.
In 2020, with so many sports and entertainment options, I'm glad baseball has taken such a narrow-casting philosophy...they've just made baseball easy to ignore. Despite loving no sport more as a kid, wanting to be nothing more than a player, MLB has made me not care at all about baseball
This is not a difficult question. You can have a vote & still prohibit Pete from being hired. The Commissioner can do this. MLB is a private business. What's in "the best interest of baseball"? (to quote Bowie Kuhn) Let Pete be voted on in 2023. One vote. Let the BBWAA speak. Up or down. If it's "nay" then this saga ends. Period.
Give me a break. Pete has enormous accomplishments in baseball that cannot be denied. Petes's violation has nothing to do with his baseball accomplishments. Get over yourselves and acknowledge his records. Hall of Fame for sure.
And that's true. The commissioner has no say on whether the Hall of Fame inducts a banned player. But, at the same time, the Hall of Fame's position is that any player banned from baseball will not appear on a Hall of Fame ballot.
What hall of fame "guy"? The responsibility starts and ends with Pete Rose to not get on the permanently ineligible list to begin with. Once he did that, all bets were off. (no pun intended)
i want know just how big is this list and how many of those guys on list are hof worthy or still alive ? i would think that would matter , also are any of those guys on list trying work in baseball ? wow, most people dont know mays and mantle were banned, for working at casinos, but they both are in hof ... fergie jenkins was banned and he made the hof... alomar has been banned but remains in hall...
if he cant be in the hall of fame take his memorabilia out of the hall of fame. Show his milestones but wait you cant be a member. People have gambled and gotten away with it for a long time, i assure you he aint the only one to gamble, probably even as a manager. Rob manfred certainly doesnt understand what punishments are if you give players a pass and only punish a team, gm and manager for 1 year. What did rose, or the black sox do that was any worse than that. Especially shoeless joe. How can you bat over 500 in the world series and be accused of tanking at the same time.
I have been a BaseBall fan for 50 years...until Pete Rose is re-instated, I will not purchase any MLB merchandise, tickets to games, events, clothing, hats, memorabilia...you name it...
Have you read what they offered Rose in 1989 to come clean and he refused? It is why a lot of HOFers are against his inclusion into the hall. Watch Jonny Bench's answer when asked should Rose be allowed into the Hall on this very show. Bench was there and knew what Rose was offered. I'll tell you what Rose was offered, first a mere suspension, the FBI would get the IRS to drop its tax evasion charges against Rose and finally the FBI would get the NJ mobsters to forgive Rose's $500,000 of debt. All Rose had to do was publicly apologize and go into rehab for his gambling addiction. If Rose had done that he'd be in the Hall today, but instead he refused and even tried to bully the Commissioner Bart Giamatti, the Yale professor. Giamatti dropped the hammer on him and he spent 5 months in federal prison for tax evasion and how he paid off his debts is anyone guess, but he did finance cocaine deals. Here's an article that shows it all. www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/03/21/rose-investigator-pete-belong-game/25112355/
@@MountainFisher It's true that Rose is a complete idiot on about everything except on baseball. On that he is a genius. He and his lawyers probably made a mistake on not taking the suspension. Rose is a a cocky SOB for sure. He is still the hit king and what he did on the baseball field cannot be denied. I personally could care less if he gambled on baseball as long as he didn't bet on the Reds to lose. Johnny Bench and Pete Rose never saw eye to eye. Rose was always the Cincinnati hometown boy. I think Johnny never could get past that.
@@MountainFisher You know what's up. That is exactly why Rose deserves everything he has gotten. He put MLB through all this pain and all the fans through it for 30+ years when he was given multiple chances to take that first deal. What a fool!
the stupidity of the whole thing is pete is not in cause of something that happened long after he played as a manager... for a moral issue... pretty sure no other hof member was judged or denied for moral chaacter... and again if you think pete in the 90s or whenever was he got caught was first only player to do it.. you really crazy
If he bet as a player would you have the same stance? It's not moral character that he is being judged on. It's Rule 21 that he broke that got him put on the permanent ineligible list. Permanent means forever. Forever is still going on today and when the sun comes up tomorrow that's still part of forever.
@@roland7584 thats where it gets jumbled, cause yeah hes perm unelligable to work in mlb.. but where is the art that he shouldnt be able make the hof as a player , wich really has nothing o do with gambling at all..?
@@arlichar11 He disrespected the game by betting and breaking Rule 21. Nothing is jumbled except Pete's brain when he was playing and managing and forgetting about the rule that was in every clubhouse of every stadium. He claims he didn't read the fine print yet he can read those little notes he wrote with the baseball betting lines. Everyone including Pete knew what would happen to someone gambling on the game. He knew the Whitesox story as well as anyone. Nothing is jumbled when it comes to this.
The outcome of the game? Really? What about steroids? How about cheating with computers? The outcome of the game. Really? Hypocrites. Now baseball is using gambling to make more revenue. Hypocrites. More money. Greed to the max. I hope the whole thing falls apart. A little humility goes a long way. I will not step in a major league park. I would rather watch the little league.
It's plain and simple that he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. It's plain and simple he got himself banned from baseball and deserves everything he has gotten thus far and hopefully it stays this way.
If you don't think betting on baseball while you are still playing and/or managing is terrible wrong, you people need another set of morals. It could completely ruin baseball. It is a lot worse than just betting on games legally. Their actions can decide the outcome of games. He was warned of this yearly. He knew Joe Jackson and others were banned for life before. He did it anyways and so he should be punished accordingly.
He was warned of this daily. He walked into a Major League clubhouse more than any other person and he saw the sign and knew exactly what would happen.
If they reinstated Pete and he could manage again it would be a boost and shot in the arm for mlb ,the likes we have never seen before .Post china flu he would pack stadiums in every city his team played in . With todays technology and social networking he d never be able to place a bet anyway .Baseballs a drag these day s , and Cooperstown NY could use the revenue , not to mention the cities of baseball.
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Guys who use peds while active players to break records set by legends get mild suspensions. But one of the greatest is band for life for managerial mistakes. I'm against this ban
Rose saw a Sign every single day he came to the ballpark that said no betting on Baseball. He did anyway. Then LIED about it for another 15 years . He ain't getting in
Well said.
So if he bet on the games as a player what would your stance be?
It's like Pete himself has said and it is absolutely true. He said, and I quote, "If I had been busted for drugs instead of gambling, I'd still be managing the Reds and baseball would be paying for my rehab." Daryl Strawberry is a prime example. A drug addict who took illegal drugs WHILE PLAYING the game and the Yankees offered to pay for his rehab. Gambling AND drug use are BOTH violations of MLB rules and policies, but Strawberry did not receive a lifetime ban from the game. Without Pete Rose in the hall of fame, there is no hall of fame, and him receiving a lifetime ban from the game is a travesty. The commissioner could easily reinstate him with the stipulation that he could never hold another job in MLB. After all, as Pete also said, he has more records than Michael Jackson. PUT HIM BACK IN!!
The question for Manfred is why hasn't he canceled his membership at Augusta National.
This man has done FAR more damage to the game than Pete ever did...
Gambling is far more damaging to the game, or has the potential to damage the game far more than roids. Roids put butts in seats, fixed games could completely destroy the owners' profits because nobody wants to watch a fixed game, even if fans suspected that it was fixed they wouldn't go or watch on TV. Baseball isn't pro wrestling.
Nope. Pete did far more damage to the game by disrespecting the game by gambling on it. He then did even more damage by rolling the dice in 1989 and not coming clean to Uebberoth. He then did even more damage by not coming clean when they showed him the evidence and he still decided to fight it. He then did even more damage by denying about it for 15+ years and lying about it. He then did even more damage by still lying about it today. Don't think for a minute that Manfred did more damage than Pete Rose because it is simply not true.
@@roland7584
To be fair, Manfred is also damaging the game by injecting leftwing politics. Moving the all-star game out of Atlanta was completely unwarranted. Allowing Krapler of the Giants to disrespect the anthem is unconscionable. And the DH sucks ass - 9 players, 9 gloves, 9 bats, that's baseball. What's next? Unlimited substitutions? Only your 4 best batters will hit? This isn't football or basketball. Why are the owners and Manfred trying to appeal to ignorant leftists who have zero sense of tradition and history?
@@ThekiBoran What sport hasn't made similar decisions? If you're going to call out Manfred, you may as well call out all the commissioners of other sports. I hate the DH, but I didn't know the it was a leftwing conspiracy. The only difference between baseball and the NBA and NFL is that baseball has been the poster child for its entire life for the government to get involved when it shouldn't be. I didn't see Congress take the NFL into hearings over steroids, but they used baseball at the time to turn the country's eyes away from the housing mess they had created before it all blew up. I didn't see Congress take the NFL in for what their plan would be for CTE which is a far worse issue than steroids ever could be. Baseball has made only 1 good decision in the last 40 years and that was banning Pete Rose for life. Everything since then, they've walked on egg shells and got it wrong until the game was losing so many fans that there was nothing they could do but change rules to try and keep the younger generation interested. It's too bad they were too stupid to realize that none of the rule changes would work, and they haven't even gained the younger crowd but they've also lost a large part of the 40 and over crowd, so now they're screwed.
@@roland7584
I never said the DH was a leftwing conspiracy, you're just being an anus.
And I don't g.a.f. about other sports.
And the market should determine the cost of money, not the central bankers who are to blame for the boom/bust cycle and the debauchery of our unconstitutional fiat currency.
Pete Rose is a hall of fame wrestler
I'm just about sure that we all know what is going to happen. After Pete Rose dies and is not around anymore, THEN Pete Rose will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. In my opinion the Baseball Hall of Fame will never be up to date or in other words complete until his legacy in baseball attached to his name is next to the other Baseball Greats. Its sad that he won't be able to enjoy it but that's the unwritten deal that we all know to well that happens in many aspects of life.
He should be on the HOF... It's been too long
I agree that Pete rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Should have been there a long time ago. But if you think he's going to get in after he dies? Three little words; Shoeless Joe Jackson.
It's the Ron Santo rule.
@@ronfowlermusic Ron Santo didn't bet on baseball did he? Pete is not getting in when he dies nor will he get in after his kid dies nor will he get in after 10 other commissioners come in to decide. There is nothing to decide.
He will never get in. Not now. Not THEN. Not ever. Joe Jackson is still waiting and he didn't lie for 30 + years. Pete did this to himself. Yes it is sad that he did this to himself but it's not sad that he won't be able to enjoy it. He sealed his fate with Uebberoth when he decided to gamble one more time and not admit to betting on baseball. At that point, MLB spent a ton of time and a ton of money proving the evidence that they already had that Pete thought wasn't enough to take him down. He made that decision to gamble on games; no one else put him up to that. He made the decision to not admit it to Uebberoth; no one else put him up to that. He denied it and lied about it for 15+ years; no one else put him up to that. He still lies about pieces of it today; no one else put him up to that. He deserves every bit of nothing that the Hall of Fame has given him.
Faye Vincent screwd Petes chances
Big time
The commissioner is a very smart man. And obviously a good dancer. He danced around a lot of issues in order not to deal with them directly. I do agree that you cannot put Pete in a position to be able to influence the game, much as it pains me to say because I absolute love these guy. I would love to see him on the field as a manager or as a coach because i am a fan of baseball and as he said correctly, he has been the greatest ambassador of baseball. More so though, he does belong in the Hall of Fame because of his on the field accomplishments. Pete only real mistake by the current rules is that he got caught before he got in the Hall of Fame. My point being, how many guys did a lot of bad things that we are only finding out about now that are in the Hall of Fame? Are they getting their plaques pulled down from the walls? Cobb, supposedly a murderer and a bigot. Wagner, wouldn't play a game with a Negro on the field. Mantle, an adulterer and alcoholic. Remember Wade Boggs and Margo Adams? How about the ones that are not even Hall of Fame worthy that still have been given second and third and eighth chances? Steve Howe back in the 80s? Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry? I'll even say this: even if Pete bet on the Reds to lose and then manipulated the game, what he did on the field as a player deserves merit into the Hall of Fame. How can you keep those accomplishments out of the building that's supposed to represent the best in baseball?
There has to be a price to pay for bad decisions.
@mikesalyers4914 Hmmmm, evidently not? The Astros still have a world series. How bout that?
I doubt Pete would do what he did before come on lets make some sense here.
What part of permanently banned do you not understand?
Manfred is a good man, and he made the right call by keeping Pete Rose on the ineligible list.
looks like a liar and a coward who is afraid to say anything. You can tell this guy cant stand PEte Rose. THese peopel are the ultimate hypocrites.
@@R2B2YT Talks in circles and in the end said nothing. A total worm, would make a perfect politician.
As much as it pains me, I'll agree. Pete does not belong in a position to be able to influence the game. That means as a manager, coach, any place where you can be on the field to talk to anyone influencing a game themselves. But when all is said and done, Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame without question. If we took out everybody did something wrong in life, half the people in the Hall of Fame, probably more, would not be in there right now. That being said, Pete's only mistake was getting caught before he got into the Hall of Fame.
@@bhk5150 This is not about doing something wrong in life. It's about Rule 21 that was in place that everyone knew especially Pete since he walked into a MLB clubhouse more times than anyone on the face of the earth. He bet from the clubhouse. What kind of egotistical fool do you have to be to do that right before game time day after day as if they'll never catch you? His mistake wasn't getting caught. It was the fact that he did the betting in the first place. He is the one that has tainted the game and now this story lives for so long and rips the very fibers of the game for no reason because this story has to be talked about all the time. There is no comparing him to what others did. This is about Pete and only about Pete. He did it. Be broke the rule that gets you permanently placed on the ineligible list.
You’re not wrong. But that doesn’t mean that the decision can be made in the future.
Yes he should be in the hall of fame! Funny how he dodges the question
What question did he dodge? It's amazing he should have to answer any questions regarding this gambling clown.
@@roland7584 he dodged the question about whether he should be in and would he vote for him. And of course he should answer the questions, he’s the BASEBALL commissioner for heavens sake.
Lots of judgements here against Pete Rose for a sin he has admitted to and asked forgiveness. He has had the passion of his life taken away from him. Some people mention getting different sets of morals if one believes Mr. Rose has done his time, asked forgiveness but should still be banned. I suggest that these people not only need to get another set of korals..... they need to actually GET a set of morals. Showing someone grace and forgiveness is amongst the best things we as humans can do.
He also lied about it for many years. Had he shown contrition and been forthright from the beginning, he would probably be in there.
Amen
@@1981lashlarue I agree, his denial over the many years is one of the biggest issues. He brought it on himself.
Put him in already!!!
In 2020, with so many sports and entertainment options, I'm glad baseball has taken such a narrow-casting philosophy...they've just made baseball easy to ignore. Despite loving no sport more as a kid, wanting to be nothing more than a player, MLB has made me not care at all about baseball
This is not a difficult question. You can have a vote & still prohibit Pete from being hired. The Commissioner can do this. MLB is a private business. What's in "the best interest of baseball"? (to quote Bowie Kuhn) Let Pete be voted on in 2023. One vote. Let the BBWAA speak. Up or down. If it's "nay" then this saga ends. Period.
Give me a break. Pete has enormous accomplishments in baseball that cannot be denied. Petes's violation has nothing to do with his baseball accomplishments. Get over yourselves and acknowledge his records. Hall of Fame for sure.
Do you realize people have analyzed this in far greater detail than whether or not climate change even poses a threat !
thats funny the hall of fame guy said its your responsibility
And that's true. The commissioner has no say on whether the Hall of Fame inducts a banned player. But, at the same time, the Hall of Fame's position is that any player banned from baseball will not appear on a Hall of Fame ballot.
What hall of fame "guy"? The responsibility starts and ends with Pete Rose to not get on the permanently ineligible list to begin with. Once he did that, all bets were off. (no pun intended)
Yes he should be able to manage TODAY!
What a stooge no wonder baseball is in the dumps
i want know just how big is this list and how many of those guys on list are hof worthy or still alive ? i would think that would matter , also are any of those guys on list trying work in baseball ? wow, most people dont know mays and mantle were banned, for working at casinos, but they both are in hof ... fergie jenkins was banned and he made the hof... alomar has been banned but remains in hall...
if he cant be in the hall of fame take his memorabilia out of the hall of fame. Show his milestones but wait you cant be a member. People have gambled and gotten away with it for a long time, i assure you he aint the only one to gamble, probably even as a manager. Rob manfred certainly doesnt understand what punishments are if you give players a pass and only punish a team, gm and manager for 1 year. What did rose, or the black sox do that was any worse than that. Especially shoeless joe. How can you bat over 500 in the world series and be accused of tanking at the same time.
Give us a list of the players that have "gambled and gotten away with it for a long time".
Disgraceful with the Holier than thou attitude. Can’t even respect the man’s contributions to the game.
When did he say he didn't respect what Pete did on the field? You are hearing voices in your head.
I have been a BaseBall fan for 50 years...until Pete Rose is re-instated, I will not purchase any MLB merchandise, tickets to games, events, clothing, hats, memorabilia...you name it...
LOL
Have you read what they offered Rose in 1989 to come clean and he refused? It is why a lot of HOFers are against his inclusion into the hall. Watch Jonny Bench's answer when asked should Rose be allowed into the Hall on this very show. Bench was there and knew what Rose was offered.
I'll tell you what Rose was offered, first a mere suspension, the FBI would get the IRS to drop its tax evasion charges against Rose and finally the FBI would get the NJ mobsters to forgive Rose's $500,000 of debt. All Rose had to do was publicly apologize and go into rehab for his gambling addiction. If Rose had done that he'd be in the Hall today, but instead he refused and even tried to bully the Commissioner Bart Giamatti, the Yale professor. Giamatti dropped the hammer on him and he spent 5 months in federal prison for tax evasion and how he paid off his debts is anyone guess, but he did finance cocaine deals. Here's an article that shows it all.
www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/03/21/rose-investigator-pete-belong-game/25112355/
@@MountainFisher It's true that Rose is a complete idiot on about everything except on baseball. On that he is a genius. He and his lawyers probably made a mistake on not taking the suspension. Rose is a a cocky SOB for sure. He is still the hit king and what he did on the baseball field cannot be denied. I personally could care less if he gambled on baseball as long as he didn't bet on the Reds to lose. Johnny Bench and Pete Rose never saw eye to eye. Rose was always the Cincinnati hometown boy. I think Johnny never could get past that.
Haha.. I just saw your pictures on your social media. Busted!
@@MountainFisher You know what's up. That is exactly why Rose deserves everything he has gotten. He put MLB through all this pain and all the fans through it for 30+ years when he was given multiple chances to take that first deal. What a fool!
the stupidity of the whole thing is pete is not in cause of something that happened long after he played as a manager... for a moral issue... pretty sure no other hof member was judged or denied for moral chaacter... and again if you think pete in the 90s or whenever was he got caught was first only player to do it.. you really crazy
If he bet as a player would you have the same stance? It's not moral character that he is being judged on. It's Rule 21 that he broke that got him put on the permanent ineligible list. Permanent means forever. Forever is still going on today and when the sun comes up tomorrow that's still part of forever.
@@roland7584 thats where it gets jumbled, cause yeah hes perm unelligable to work in mlb.. but where is the art that he shouldnt be able make the hof as a player , wich really has nothing o do with gambling at all..?
@@arlichar11 He disrespected the game by betting and breaking Rule 21. Nothing is jumbled except Pete's brain when he was playing and managing and forgetting about the rule that was in every clubhouse of every stadium. He claims he didn't read the fine print yet he can read those little notes he wrote with the baseball betting lines. Everyone including Pete knew what would happen to someone gambling on the game. He knew the Whitesox story as well as anyone. Nothing is jumbled when it comes to this.
The outcome of the game? Really? What about steroids? How about cheating with computers? The outcome of the game. Really? Hypocrites. Now baseball is using gambling to make more revenue. Hypocrites. More money. Greed to the max. I hope the whole thing falls apart. A little humility goes a long way. I will not step in a major league park. I would rather watch the little league.
Weasel.
Pete deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame… plain and simple.
It's plain and simple that he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. It's plain and simple he got himself banned from baseball and deserves everything he has gotten thus far and hopefully it stays this way.
If you don't think betting on baseball while you are still playing and/or managing is terrible wrong, you people need another set of morals. It could completely ruin baseball. It is a lot worse than just betting on games legally. Their actions can decide the outcome of games. He was warned of this yearly. He knew Joe Jackson and others were banned for life before. He did it anyways and so he should be punished accordingly.
He was warned of this daily. He walked into a Major League clubhouse more than any other person and he saw the sign and knew exactly what would happen.
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If they reinstated Pete and he could manage again it would be a boost and shot in the arm for mlb ,the likes we have never seen before .Post china flu he would pack stadiums in every city his team played in .
With todays technology and social networking he d never be able to place a bet anyway .Baseballs a drag these day s , and Cooperstown NY could use the revenue , not to mention the cities of baseball.
Do you think he’s a hall of famer or not dude it’s a simple question
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