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Scotty Kilmer: “Those things are endless money pits!”
Absolute hero 😂😂
Imagine watching scotty kilmer
Pretty much every car is a money pit - in the end most cars will be worthless. Still, screaming about it does drive RUclips views...
Can be, and often are, but not necessarily so. The two older cars aren't that complex, there are good specialists around, at least in the UK, and many have had common money pit issues addressed. The Merc is complex, but is significantly newer. Going forward, the older two cars are modern classics. I don't see prices going up that much, but I also don't see them going down any more, although there's always the possibility that they might go down a little if the classic market as a whole collapses. The Merc is by far the most luxurious and easiest to drive and live with, but also the least exciting to own, and it's not as if it doesn't have the potential to be a money pit. It's also going to continue to depreciate. The technology is remarkably current though, and represents a lot of car for the money. Stick with the basic 500 model and you don't have any turbo or supercharger issues, is unlikely to have been driven hard, and has probably done most of its miles cruising on the motorway, totally unstressed. It's also relatively cheap. A very modern and classy car from GBP7-8K. Objectively better than a Bentley Conti GT, except for interior quality, and looks, but the Bentley's centre console is very dated, can have terminal electrical/electronic issues, and can have head-gasket problems that cannot be fixed, ie, there is a significant chance of such being a ruinous money pit.
I always tell people that. Poor people driving 10-15 year old luxury cars with the instrument cluster lit up like a Christmas tree, yet they only have 100 quid in the bank.
The Mercedes is the only one that may be capable of a trip from the United Kingdom to the South of France without suffering a catastrophic failure...
The Merc is certainly the least likely to breakdown, that's for sure.
Never really understood the British obsession with "BADGE SNOBBERY".
Ifyou are driving a 10 to 15 yr old luxury car anyone looking at the number plates will immediately know how old it is and know it's not new.
You aren't fooling anyone.
I worked in the UK for a couple of years years ago.
I drove a loaded Vauxhall Omega estate and a coworker drove a poverty spec Mercedes Benz C-Class.
I arrived at work fresh out of the shower fresh and he usually arrived kinda sweaty.
He said he wouldn't be caught dead driving a sales rep badge car because he was management!
Yes well don’t MAY BE ABLE it is still a Mercedes but at least it’s not an AMG coz they’re even worse
@@lbnewell23 Mercedes Benz have Lexus like reliability compared to a Aston Martin or Maserati...
@@williamegler8771 omega is a superb car
6:18 wrongly placed Maserati during the DB7 description
Ha.
I just spotted & posted that too !
Didn't spot your comment though.
CL500 all Day!
There was never a six-speed automatic on the Mercedes! Either 5 or 7 speed.
Was just going to comment on that but not going to double down. I like this series of videos but they should really do better research to get their facts straight. At least one mistake per episode lately..
True
She’s still fit to this day Christ
All these cars is cool. But Vicki is the best! She is so gorgeous!
She is. I always had a soft spot for her.She has a sexy voice too.
@@hideouslyugly and laugh!
Down bad
The merc just looks irresistible even after all these years 👌🏻
So does Vicky.
Get ready to double that "budget" in the next ten years.
More like 6 months
Very unlikely, IMO! The market is more likely to collapse than continue rising. None are in short supply. The DB7 was made in large numbers for an Aston, the i6s were particularly poorly made, and the potential supercharger issues should be enough to continue to warn buyers off. Prices mentioned in this video are incorrect. CL 500's are from 7-8K for a good one with circa 80K miles, and will continue to depreciate. 3200 prices, although very slowly rising, are from 10K for a decent one with circa 60K miles. DB7 i6 prices are from circa 15K with moderate miles and appear to be softening! There's a manufacturer approved V12 for sale right now for 21K with circa 60K miles, which has been for sale for ages, and can likely be had for even less with a 12 months warranty included. I've seen several V12s with circa 80K miles in good colourways for less than 20K in recent months. Prices are softening. Prices are also softening on DB9s and very much so on Bentley Conti GTs. Best cheaper Aston to buy from an investment standpoint is a Vantage 4.3 manual. Prices softening the slowest, and if there's an upturn in the market, that's where the greatest demand seems to be. Manual cars seem to be where demand is strongest, and the general perception is that the V8s are significantly cheaper to maintain, which isn't really the case, but it doesn't take a genius to see the appeal of a manual Aston in a smaller and lighter package than a DB9, as a weekend B-road weapon of choice for many aspirational people, and IMO, the Vantage 4.3 manual is the car currently available sub-30k that is most likely to firm and even slowly go up in value. Of course, YMMV.
Nigel W I think he’s talking about spending twice to keep them on roads
@@ShenVinny Sorry, my bad. In that case, he could be right!
Nigel W yes I was talking about maintenance and running costs. On these cars you never know how much stuff can cost so it can get really quickly. Speaking from own experience in summer 2017 we bought a Citroen c6 in beautiful condition with a low mileage for around 19k€ and after a couple moths the engine broke and the repair was billed at 15k€ for a new engine+work
Love Fifth Gear, great show and cast. Although this video should have been titled "least reliable and most expensive to fix second hand GT's"
Vicky's talking about the DB7, 6:18 shot of the Maserati !
Does the editor know a straight line from a curve ?
I like Vickys curves...
Love this series by 5th gear.
Me too, I Love so much Fifth Gear, Second Hand Heroes, Best Cheapskate Alternatives, and Team Test Series
Vicky looking 🔥
It is a 7 speed auto in the Merc and this is the one to have!
Bot Maserati and Aston in this generations are notorious for unreliability
The merc looks incredible compared to the others
6:18 That's not a DB7
Have zero interest in any of these but watched because of Vicky! If you have not seen her video driving a 360 Stradale, you should. It was the moment she had me! Miss seeing her and to some extent Tiff and the other bloke on a regular basis! Thanks for the content!
So the Merc is the best built, fastest, youngest,most reliable and the cheapest. Now that’s a lot of car for the money and I wouldn’t even consider the other ones.
Could you choose 3 more notoriously bad choices?
So size does matter!
CL FTW
Merc is easily the best looking...ageing beautifully
So is Vickie.
Mark Cook beat me to it!! ;-)
If you told someone you drove a Maserati and they looked out and saw that thing... they’d laugh you all the way home
Luke Mallory I can appreciate the point you’re making but if my friends laughed at me it wouldn’t be because I bought an old Maserati. They’d laugh me all the way home because I bought a car on brand name alone.
That says a hell of a lot about you... and the people you call friends...
@@iancullington6765 deep
@@lukemallory7832 why the first c70? if i had a choice i would have the volvo 780 as my favorite volvo coupe
@@lukemallory7832 yeah i dont think i have saw a 780 in scotland either but would still have one if i could, plenty people drive 500e or mustangs here so i could suffer a leftie too
There is like 15 Aston Martins for sale in whole country, and prices start from 60000€ Maserati is almost as rare but less money, and there is no services available either of those cars at here. So the Mercedes is only sensible option, and you can get Merc like that for +20000€ but that´s a high mileage car. So I would rather spend that money to 2012 E-class with reasonable mileage.
I like the CL and I really like the Maserati, but the reability is my principal concern.
The Merc... Anytime
You can buy a DB9 for cheaper than a DB7 and it has a V12!
Sani Laca i used to think that too - then I drove a DB9 on a race track - so underwhelming, a V12 eng is simply way too heavy, terrible in the corners - why they’re dying out now, although the sound is good in a straight line but a Lambo V10 way better, and it’s mid engined, so it’s better balanced too. Vicky is right on this one, no offence to the “jag in drag”
BENZ is a CLASS better 👍 but better go for the CL600
Money pit #1, endless money pit #2, endless moneypit #3
0:34
Don't know when this video was first created but a DB7 for £30k ? They're cheaper than that.
You can get a -DB7- DB9 for around £30k and they don't look so dated.
What?
@@mitchelldonachie1798
Oops ! I meant:
"You can get a *DB9* for around £30k and they don't look so dated."
Lewis72 ahhhh, now I get it and I couldn’t agree more. DB7’s look terrible compared to a DB9
Lewis72 a family member has got a DB7 V12 for 37k with 90,000 miles but before he had a inline 6 DB7 for 27k with 64,000 miles, and the I6 literally exploded. Total engine rebuild was needed, he sold it to a Aston Martin specialist for 17k
@@H.K_R
Not really sure what your point is here.
There are 13 DB7s on Auto Trader right now for less than £25k, 5 of them less than £20k.
Conclusion : Big is best.
😂
Maserati for me 😁 Italian cars are my go to for anything
Like stopping on the side of the road every 5 mins ?
On looks alone I'd agree that the Maser is the best, however, when it comes to owning and maintaining it I think the Merc is the clear winner.
@@simonkevnorris new model Mercs arent to be useful or trusted neither , get the old ones , those will last even longer
Can someone explain how these videos look so old ?
In my opinion it's the camera angles that never changed. Aside from the different cars that are featured, this could all be one very long episode of the same, the same and the same.
17 oct 2019..looked
they use old cameras maybe
@@maartenyzer4121 okey smartass even their latest video looks old...
@@maartenyzer4121 and it was posted today you dumb lil shit
There is no better coupe then the CL is on another level!
Seeing how fast the electric cars are coming along.... these three will look like dinosaurs in three years time ;-)
Merc for sure
Clearly the Merc is best pick
I was a little detracted by those pins.
I know. So was I. Id like to see her in black tights.
in what world does a maserati outweigh mercedes on badge value?
Like 20 years ago maybe. Currently when I see a guy in a Quattroporte or Ghibli I think he is an idiot for buying it
Maserati doesn't make diesel vans, trucks and taxis.
@@cypv12 so
In a world where there are multiple wordviews. Certainly since Mercedes became widely used as taxis and introduced the original A-Class, and quality of the most of its offerings took a nose-dive. Of course, Maserati in the 80's and 90's weren't that great, and the current Ghibli and Levante in particular aren't that great either, and the GT hasn't been significantly updated in 13 years, and the Alfieri hasn't been forthcoming, and FCA put Maserati under Alfa, and Alfa decided to take Maserati down-market.
Despite all that, for older people, we remember the racing heritage under the founding brothers, the cars under Orsi ownership and even under Citroen ownership, and even under DeTomaso ownership the cars still offered something a little different.
When Fiat put Maserati under Ferrari's wing things looked up. Even though Maserati and Ferrari were once competitors, it made sense to realign Maserati as an offering to Ferrari customers as an every day 'Ferrari', and an offering to capture those aspiring to Ferrari ownership.
Even now, you say you own a Mercedes, what do you own, an A-Class, a van, a truck, an S-Class, an AMG GT, or what? The brand is arguably the most heavily diluted prestige brand, although it is fair to say that Merc appears to have recently decided to reverse the decreasing quality since the late 90s.
Maserati is again being diluted by FCA under Alfa after resurging under Ferrari, but it's still holding on to poorer man's Ferrari and Aston status or offering alternatives to Porsches, Audis, BMWs, and the likes of the AMG GT, especially as Aston has diluted the Vantage while significantly increasing its price, Audi has blurred the lines between some of its offerings and Lamborghinis, and Porsche put uninspiring flat-fours in the 718s and continued using Audi engines in several models, and most recently offering a very ordinary Audi i4 in the Macan.
It is therefore fair to say that Maserati is not alone in diluting its brand, it just seems to receive more attention for doing so, even though it is still a low-volume maker with only four/five current model lines.
Fact is that the GranTurismo/Cabrio still sells after 13 years with little updating. It was widely thought to be underpowered when launched. It is now underpowered by at least 150-200 bhp, yet it still sells. Infotainment system wasn't updated for 11 years and the current update is essentially two years old already, yet it continues to sell. Why? It remains a beautiful design. Its old-school engine makes a glorious noise. It was a cut-above when it was first introduced 18 years ago, let alone now when almost everything else has gone turbocharged. Despite it being in need of replacement, a good case can still be made for it at its price point. The latest AMG GT 476 is only slightly more powerful and is a little more expensive. The Maser is certainly prettier and is naturally aspirated. The AMG is distinctively German and the Maser is very distinctively Italian. Despite its age, the Maser clearly offers something that still appeals, and that is testimony to a great original design by Pininfarina and the enduring cachet of the Maserati brand.
While Maseratis may not objectively deliver all that they promise, the brand still evokes a promise of something exotic, combining elegance, performance, and aural delight, that even a Mercedes in AMG-guise does not.
All that said, I like Maserati styling and style, and its exotic promise, even if it generally falls short on delivery, and I like many Mercedes offerings that lead in comfort and technology and AMG offerings that are Germanically clinical and brutishly Germanic.
A Maserati owner is often very much an individual thinker who wants something different yet understated, or is someone who wants to give that impression. I think Mercedes owners least desire to express their individuality, but are otherwise much more difficult to define as a single group. There are many reasons and combinations of reasons to want to buy a Mercedes.
In certain contexts, Mercedes can be argued to offer great value for money. Mercedes clearly have widespread appeal.
On the other hand, Maserati is a niche brand, although FCA clearly has other ideas.
Maybe the problem with Maserati at this point in time is that it is undergoing an identity crisis and that reflects poorly on both owners and the brand's relative prestige?
Maserati shouldn't be an illogical choice in the mass market, where Mercedes is clearly a very logical choice, but should be a very logical choice in a niche market where there should be no other choice.
The problem for Maserati seems to be the sustainability of such a niche market for traditional Maserati customers in a world where expressing individual thought more generally is increasing suppressed, and where a mass-market Maserati is an oxymoron.
In such a world, Maserati struggles to maintain its relevance and a widespread recognition of its badge value.
It is a problem that once again Maserati's badge value is in question, but is hardly surprising when FCA seems unable to see Maserati's badge value, develop a strategy for its ongoing sustainability like it has for Ferrari, and see that the world is fully able to sustain a second premium 'FCA' brand. FCA seems determined to do to Maserati what it did to Lancia.
Cut Maserati free like Ferrari. Give it the resources to develop a line-up of three coupes (a GBP60K offering, a 90K and a 120K) and a Qp in three forms, a diesel/electric executive express, a Ferrari-level of luxury sports saloon, and a serious M5 competitor. Put Lancia under Maserati and give it the resources to develop a line-up of three SUVs (a GBP 50K offering, an 80K and a 110K), serious alternatives to the Macan and Cayenne, and something perceived to be a budget Urus, maybe also offered in a Dakar Rally spec primarily aimed at Mid East markets.
Then, I'm sure Maserati (and Lancia) will get the mojo back, relevance back, and regain widespread recognition of the badge value.
Until such a time, I'm afraid Maserati's badge value will remain in question, as it has been questioned here.
Thank you for allowing me this rant.
@@nigel.w good rant but Lancia could barely justify a 50k anything nevermind a 110k SUV haha
Old vidéo ?
Money pit vs Endless money pit vs Endless money pit
I have seen aston martin v8 vantages going for under 30k
JAGUAR XKR - lower price, smooooth and reliable engine, lower running costs, faster, more powerful and much more beautiful than the three alternatives shown.
well I am not british nor 100% inside uk prices but I think that for 30 grand you can get a early 911 997 or a early aston martin vantage v8 can you not? (some british guy?) that are options 10x better than what are here shown
You are correct!
Pretty Vicki♨️,but on the crowded disorganised UK road system,these cars are too expensive and are not viable (unless you go to the South of France every week(l wish!)).
Mercedes CL (C216) from £8'000, the Maserati 3200GT from £9'500 and the Aston Martin DB7 from £17'000. Where do Fifth Gear get their values from they do it on loads of videos unless it's a different time and not near January 2020
Can I suggest BMW 6 series cabrio....future classic
You can get a Maserati 4200 for 15K and under and a DB7 Vantage for 30k and under.
Needs to be a V12 DB7 or don't bother!
She isn’t stupid Mercedes all day long 🇩🇪👍🏽
The R230 SL500 is actually the more accurate "cheap" alternative to the DBS Superleggera and 812SF, instead of the CL500.
SL600 and CL600 are also both possible with moderate miles for less than 16K. Maserati GranTurismo 4.2 with moderate miles is also now readily available from under 20K, and even the 4.7 is now readily available for less than 25K. DB9s are also readily available for less than 30K. Not sure I can agree that either the CL or SL really offer a similar vibe to the DBS Sl or 812 Sf, but IMO are both good sporty coupes with a good, although less bragworthy, pedigree. I think Fifth Gear lost the plot somewhat with what they decided to present as cheap/er alternatives to the DBS Sl and 812 Sf.
When did Mercedes ever offer a 6-speed transmission?
on the r230 sl350 there was a 6 speed seqential transmission option and that is the only one i know of certainly not on a cl500 though
They cut in the maserti instead of the astin
Aston..
Vicky she likes big and big is best
She'll be happy with me then.
Any car can be a money pit. Do research and buy well. Also look at 3rd party warranty etc then you don’t have to worry!
Take the Merc the other 2 won't even make it to Dover
It's the DB7...hands down! That color, the interior and those O.Z. rims📣
£30k is a bit steep for a DB7, that's DB9 money.
I'd get an XK8 for less than half of the DB7's cost.
@@lewis72 I'm sure that's true but the Jag doesn't look like the DB7, I mean look at that front end especially📣
@@klasseact6663
For less than £30k you could get the X150 XK.
They look epic.
I often follow one on the way to work and it looks soooo good.
I would take the Vicki B.
Or buy a Jaguar XK8/R for half that and have great looking car and probs more reliable than all of them ( and yes the jaguar is more reliable than all of them)
#BringTiffBack
The prices in this video are way out. 15K for a 3200 is for a really good one, not the starting price for an average one, which is about 10K. 30K for a DB7 i6 is double what you pay for an average example. There's a manufactuer approved V12 for sale with moderate miles for 21K, and it's been up for sale for ages with the price continually dropping, so you'd get it for even less. And you can get a CL 500 for 7-8K with average miles for those cars (circa 80K) at all times. All three cars represent good value for money right now. Average prices for a 3200 have been slowly rising the past few years, but slowly is the key word. All these cars have highly variable asking prices, especially the 3200 and DB7, but it's easy to rule out the chancers asking way over the odds, either ignorant of the market or trying to drive prices dramatically upward. The DB7 i6 is the least reliable of these and the most expensive to fix, although the 3200 has a tendency to suffer from terminal end-float. The CL 500 is a very different GT to the other two, but you can get an CL 63 AMG or a CL 600 for circa 15K or a CL 65 AMG for less than the 30K Vicki reckons you'll pay for a DB7 i6. If you want a good 3200 in a good colour combo, you will almost certainly need to pay circa 15K, but you should be able to get a good one in the all too common silver or the unloved green from 10K. Higher milers go for less than 10K. Lastly, both the 3200 and DB7 i6 are readily available with a manual transmission, which just might make them relatively desirable going forward, but both have cramped pedal boxes, especially the DB7, so slim feet only, and maybe the autos better suit the character of these cars. PS. Just don't see how the potential costs of supercharger issues can make an i6 DB7 attractive compared to a V12. They otherwise share the same costly issues. PPS. All three cars demand a pre-purchase inspection by a specialist to hopefully avoid buying a money pit!
@Keyser Soze Well, for starters, I'm not little! And, at least as far as prices, I watch these cars every single day of my life and ALL can be readily shown to be 100% correct as at today! So, other people can draw their own conclusions to who is right and who is wrong. You obviously have issues with size, both down there and up there!!!
@@nigel.w i thought you were spot on there mate,dont know why that nugget opened his mouth
You're right on all counts. Only thing on the 3200 float problem is that anything still on the road now has had it fixed. It was so terminal that by about 2015 you'd not be able to find a working one without it being fixed. But don't worry - there's still a breathtaking amount of expensive things can go wrong on them!!!
@@hickster5000 Of course, you are right. But I always allow for the odd exception. Fact is that most 20 yo cars that had inherent problems have had those problems solved by now. And most ongoing problems are down to lack of use. Take IMS bearing issues on 996/986, it is lower mileage cars that are most at risk. But it's not that expensive to replace preventatively, or one can simply regularly maintain such a car and get the oil analyzed every time it's changed looking for metal deposits, etc. Anyway, people need to understand that cars need to be driven to stay in good shape, and that unlike the likes of the typical Toyota, skipped maintenance on cars like these is a road to tears. And that no model of car is completely immune to the possibility of something major going wrong.
so ill informed I can't be bothered to give a detailed response... yawn
I would rather take an XK8 Jag because it's esentially an Aston Martin but even better looking. Only it's way cheaper
Why that aston martin is more expensive??? Its olde model right??
Where is the jaguar xk and bmw 6 Series coupe and Bentley Continental gt and Ferrari 456
Vicki Mmmmmmmmm
Yes, Vicky in tights......
Loved my 3200GT. Tons of character, very exciting to drive. Beautiful interior and exterior, such a pretty car. Also horribly unreliable, a huge money pit, constantly trying to kill you, the heaviest clutch I've ever driven combined with the lightest throttle pedal was a very poor combination. Couldn't possibly recommend anyone ever buy one!
Wot no BMW 650i?
Get your warranty ready.... Oh shit no warranty
Surprised they chose the notoriously ill 3200 rather than the more - relatively - reliable 4200
Three expensive repair disasters waiting to happen. And yes, the Mercedes too. The onboard electrics and computers cost a fortune to fix when they fail (which they do).
Celica gt4 anyone?
Any of these will put you in the poorhouse if something serious goes wrong lol
Autobox in all 3? All but one should have a manual...
The manual in the Maserati is also horrible. The clutch is the heaviest clutch I've ever driven
Factor in another £10k p.a. to run the Aston or the Maserati... The Merc is deadly dull.
Get a 335i coupe instead - much better and much cheaper
not quite in the same category though is it? Also they are known to be unreliable
@tavarish @hooviesgarage @vinwiki
The Merc: 5.3 litres and 5.6 seconds for 0-62 mph, sounded so fast in the day but that’s medium heat hatch stuff in 2020, not that it matters of course.
The designers of the Masserati, Giorgetto Giugiaro’s Italdesign were also responsible for the Morrris Marina facelift, the Ital, well it paid the rent! Pity they didn’t design all of BL’s products from scratch instead of having to work with a monster of a car in the first place, people might have bought them.
Vicky is deff on my to do list 👍✌
Wait the Mercedes is 5.5 to 60 with a 5L V8? My 2006 Lexus IS350 is faster than that stock for stock 🤣
Am I the only one actually watching this video so i can stare at Vikki's legs 😝
Admit you came here because of Vicki.
You are perfectly correct. I saw the tiny image of Vicky in a skirt, and I had to click on it. Black tights would finish it off perfectly.
Best 'GT EVER LEXUS LC 500'
Mercedes
if you can't afford a new one, you can't afford an old one.
Mercedes the best for your money out of these 3 for sure
Buy a manaro vxr 500. 6.0 v8 supercharged, 500 bhp.£20000.👍
I miss the old top gear
There's no competition to the Merc. The Maserati is just plane rubbish and instead of the Aston buy a Jag XK
I am no Mercedes fan, but you have to pass on the other two financial disasters in a nice mask.
The Maserati is the ugly brother to the Aston. The Merc is the stepbrother.
CL500 all the way.
Better quality cameras and editing is needed in 2020 to keep up with others on RUclips👍🏼
The best female car reviewer. She may even be the best including men. Her husband is a lucky man.
@Keyser Soze That's your opinion for whatever that is worth.
Lucky indeed. Lovely Vicky.
Don't get the 3200 Maserati the after facelift 4200 na engine doesn't have as many probelms as the turbo charged 3200
entirely different car, no comparison...
@@iancullington6765 not comparing just avoid the engine that's gonna cost u more money
Unless u really think it drives / sounds better
£ 30.000 for that Aston Martin? I prefer to buy a Volkswagen Phaetom W12, is way more car (engine, space, luxury) and got the half of money in my pockets, or less, and can buy a Mercedes-Benz SLK Kompressor, to have a convertible car as second vehicle
I feel like the Maserati would be a lot more tempting if they didn't ruin their image with the cheaply made FCA partsbin Ghibli and Levante.
I am a big Maserati fan, but I agree 100% that the brand is being taken significantly downmarket with these offerings, and V6 petrols that are grossly underpowered compared to the Alfa Giulia Qf. Putting Maserati under Alfa has been pretty disastrous. And now they've dropped the Ferrari V8 option from the Qp lineup. On top of that no GT replacement or even a significant update in 13 years, and no Alfieri, just another four-door and an SUV aimed at ferrying salespeople up and down the motorway network and doing the school run. I can live with a diesel Qp option for senior executives that do a lot of miles and who may have a Ferrari for weekends, or for the Chinese market, etc, but not the Ghibli and Levante that would have been better marketed under a new sub-brand, such as Orsi or Ettore, and mainly marketed in the likes of Central and South America and the Mid and Far East. I also think that the Ghibli is a little too small and the Qp is a little too big. The previous Qp made more sense, although I personally rather like the design of the current Qp. Again a bigger car for the Chinese market is fine, but not necessarily good for the rest of the world, and again maybe better marketed under a new sub-brand. I suspect FCA will ignore my proposals, but just in case they want to think about them, I only want three million US dollars for taking up my proposals to better align the Maserati brand, which is an absolute bargain in today's corporate landscape.
Look! Another one of those ignorants spreading the "FCA partsbin" bulls**t.
BTW, you know that Ghibli is nothing more than a short wheelbase Quattroporte, right? They share everything, including body panels and interior.
@@nigel.w You can live with a diesel QP which is nothing but a long wheelbase Ghibli, but not with a Ghibli (which, BTW is the same size as the old generation QP)? You deserve a prize for your flawless logic.
@@toshy Thanks!
@@nigel.w I actually owned both a Ghibli and then a QP VI. The interior is exactly the same with some minor design differences.
Merc 7G Tronic 7 Speed box not 6!!
Maserati looks a bit crap as does the Aston, don't you think.
Bmw M6 for minimum 10k
MB
🔱 😍
1) tedious V8 S class in drag
2) Buy this and deserve everything that happens to you and if you have read any of them it won’t help a bit knowing what shat it’s self.
3) bottom end of the market for this car will bankrupt anyone foolish enough to get involved. But I don’t want a jag XJ-S transvestite anyhow.
Sad but true , especially Italian cars , they never get things done properly in automotives
What’s wrong with a Porsche