Waste Oil Burner Nozzle Design Principle MASTERED (DIY) prt1
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TypicaL 40k watt waste oil burners use about 4 liters of waste per
hour I have built units that use up to 2 gallons per hour or about
145,000 watts I use oil burners for many things mostly for burning
tree stumps out of the ground, waste oil burners work great for
forges or smelting metal. Ive built many types of waste oil burners
from syphon nozzle waste oil burners to drip feed to vaporizer
coil waste oil burners . these also can be used to build a furnace
and heat very large areas . the most efficiant waste oil burner
i have biult is a siphon nozzle
atomizer and it uses about 4 liters of waste oil per hour .
do not burn transmission oil it is toxic .Oil Burner Designs
Drip Style
Low Tech. No atomization.
Natural Draft possible (no electricity)
Mother Earth News’ design is widely used. Designed in 1970’s.
Today’s motor oil has additives that resist degradation and allow engines to run
at higher temperatures. In effect, waste oils are now much harder to burn cleanly
and likely require preheating and atomization.
Conventional fuel oil burners
Modest efficiency improvements over time - although overall burner design hasn’t
changed much
As homeowners upgrade to modern heat pumps, these old style burners are
ubiquitous in scrapyards and can be purchased for very little cost.
Most can be operated without modification with up to 20% biodiesel. (B20)
Predictable issues with higher ratios of biofuels - ‘gelling’ and damage to rubber
seals. Commercial biofuel safe pumps and preheaters available.
Very convenient, tight design.
Siphon Nozzle
Requires high capacity air compressors
LP can be used in lieu of air
Fuel pumps not required
Preheating for reliable viscosity
“Constant level device” to maintain consistent fuel flow
Simple DIY nozzles can be made from off the shelf hardware
Manufactured nozzles available for retrofitting gun style burners for Waste Oils
Babington Style
Fuel flows OVER nozzle, rather than through nozzle
Imagine fine mist from a whale’s blowhole
Filtration matches your pump - not your nozzle
Requires sump and pump
Same preheating issues with alternative fuels DISCLAIMER: In this video description contains affiliate links, which means
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Sorry about the crappy music , it was a phase ...
I like it
sorry , what did you sat , I fell asleep.lol.
Lots of clear and detailed information in this video, so thanks for that! You make it straightforward for others to build the same atomizer design. And you are correct. That is the Venturi effect, which is also how carburetors work.
I know of one thing that may help your viewers. At least where I live (southern Wisconsin) many hardware stores (True Value, Ace and similar, not home centers like Menards, Lowe’s or Home Depot) carry a rack of individual K&S brand hobby metals. I recently bought two pieces of K&S brass tubing for a different project for under $3 total, and they were marginally larger than what you used in your video.
Yep i use to buy alot of K&S
WHAT IS UP WITH THIS MUSIC, why we raving while making a oil burner
Why not rave to it?
@@jackhandyy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Double the fun, wooooohooooo
Why not?
@@spacecadet0 LOL legend
Thank you so much sir, I am making an kerosene/diesel burner based on the Lune Valley Burner, but I did not understand part of the patent drawing. Your video is the exact information I needed! I have an ASME Code and Stamped 1000lb in weight Steam Power Boiler (~7HP) on my steamboat. I have been burning coal/wood/propane - just getting into the oil burner realm. Thanks again!
No problem , let me know if you have any issues
I attempted this 20 years ago , until finally I used a hand held paint gun a develbis modified head caps into a high volume at low pressure to achieve a stream fog into a fire tube that was perforated , had a previous problem with air becoming a problem controlling temperature ,I worked it out with liquid air ,for my waste oil heater , ,like your technique thanks for sharing
WE CAN SEE THE MIST PERFECTLY.... job well done!!!!
Amen
Retired, Veteran
We love u bro , no joke man , i wouldnt lie to you about something like that
that bag of scrap.
I have been working on using oil to heat my shop for a few years now , and I can say with an reasonable amount of certainty that you would have to have one hell of an heater to need that much oil at any time . All of my designs use tiny amounts of oil although I have thought about using air several times but then there is the added cost of running the air compressor
I build Industrial heating systems
Lawrence Johnson
How does the system you have work mr. Lawrence? I rebuild transmissions and would like to burn that oil for heat.
Hello, after trying to burn the oil as if it were wood , I had little luck as the wood stove could be run at low temps/oil consumption but if I tried to turn t up much , then there would be an runaway extremely fast. It seemed that with all of the designs that I found for this style of furnace on you tube, they were just interested in burning the oil not using it as an fuel source. I finally found that if I ran it with zero fire box pressure but still with plenty of draft then the thing would run just fine. I'm sure that auto trans fluid would burn the same as cooking oil as they are both about the same viscosity . I'm running my furnace with about two drops an second fuel flow but my shop is real small. I have no fans on the fire box or and injector pressure on my inlet line gravity feed . also, I am using charcoal to aid in starting my burner as it will get up to temp pretty fast and then the oil will take over from there I hope this can help you
Automotive brake line for the siphon tube.
Come is 3/16, 1/4, 5/16..and had fittings already flared on it. 👍
Thanks for the demo
Gosh you are down to earth just like so many of us. Many of us are just trying to make things happen with the stuff that we have, I happen to have the ability to get waste oil from a used car lot. That is my way of coming up with waste oil. So the waste oil is free but how do I get this up to burn efficiently, is what I'm thinking. Being able to watch your content is absolutely priceless, I assume you will be selling this particular item on eBay of which I have seen many of your other items on eBay for sale, thank you for selling. Sometimes it's just easier to buy it than spending the time to make it myself
I like the music, this must be a life changing oil burner atomizer.
It actually was
It looks like this design would work nicely for atomizing boiled linseed oil or similar rust protection into automotive body panels. I even already have that pile of brass pipe lying around.
Impressive dynamic engineering. Excellent.
Dude has a cable tie holding the battery in his verynear caliper. I'm subscribing. Believe it!
LMAO
Well explained, excellent work. You just saved me sooo much fiddling around. Very much appreciated!
Turns out thats my job homie , just kinda fell ass backwards into it . Glad i could help , i recommend a slightly larger pentsock for the oil
How about a 1/4" copper pensock for the oil ?
yes a larger penstock would do this thing some justice but the jet size must remain the same for the air flow parameters to stay within combustible ratio's
to be clear ,the nozzle must stay the same size but im assuming you know what i mean by penstock. im sure you know what i mean but for the guy who asked its just a delivery tube thats larger then the nozzle , it increases flow by reducing restriction
Thank you
This will help me in my coming business
Thanks mate. Really appreciate the information you contained in this video 👍
Fellas , i just wanna thank everybody for their support, views ,likes and comments
@Johan Rodrigues dumb people tend to concentrate more with crappy background music!
But you need energy to make it work, which is more costly,so thumbs down.
How much air flow is needed for bernouli principle to work 100 liters/minute ... 200 liters/minute..... 300 liters/minute.
Because i need to buy one, and i don't know what flow rate to expect from this video
@@adi.olteanu.1982 i assume you mean air flow ? it can work on as loww as 70 LPM air
Well done thank you for sharing.
Wow your work is impressive. I remember having a conversation about the syngas generator but didn't realize I was missing out on some top notch content. Keep up the good work, and best of luck.
It is an airbrush system. It will only be good if you adjust the intake, either of oil, or air. I think you can use a paint gun, along with an air compressor, obviously. Perhaps, a refrigerator compressor would do. Thanks for the idea.
Well thanks for the input , we actually tried the ac compressor and it didnt work, its about 10% of the air you need
yes it is , and i even considered buying a cheap harbor freight paint gun but another guy did it and the air flow was not enough , he also had to ad gas or some other fuel to get it to burn
Круто ! Очень круто 🔥!!!
Эту горелку можно устанавливать в любую печь, и использовать любое топливо, хоть масло хоть дизель, бензин, спирт и получать много энергии !!!
I very much appreciate the editing, cutting out the unnecessary stuff. It made this very enjoyable
Looks a lot like my screw together no tools required power washer... but smaller. I like it.. going to make an edition to my shop rocket heater just for the heck of it. As always great video.
Awesome video..Principle behind this looks similar to that of a Paint spray Can..
Yes but spray cans don't spray enough fuel as i also have tried this . if a paint sprayer sprayed as much as an oil nozzle the paint would be to wet
@@NOBOX7 That's true 🤝..I think spray can's would have a smaller nozzle..
Well Nobox 7 I am a believer, it work Just completed mine with water luckily as you suggested and Got a nice bath in the process because as I tuned the fuel line I left it unsoldered at the back where the fuel should enter,so the air blew it out and back fed into the water bottle. Once that was fixed that was it. Just as you said the optimal place for the fuel line is flush with the face of the cap.
Glad to here you got one working , im making another tonight as i had to sell my last one , but hey i got $70 for it
That needle valve? If you wanted to try it. Get hold of a old Binks model # 7 spray gun. It is a siphon gun not a gravity gun. and you can get Many different needles and spray nozzles.
You have obviously put a lot into this. The question I have is, how much electricity (or how little) does this require when operating? I would need something that puts out much less heat, and I see that you can turn down the oil feed, but how low can the air pressure go? Electricity is expensive and air compressors use lots of it.
He makes a mini version of that snail shaped burner, and I'm getting one-pretty sure you can run it off a commercial HD air pump like they use in hydroponics, I'm going to test it. Those only use 30-60 Watts depending on size, see the *Boysal Burner* on YT for an example, that's the best design I've seen that doesn't require an air compressor.
I've done all these types of atomization tests some years ago cooperating with other experimenters on Yahoo groups wastewatts, Babington burners, and siphon nozzels. Now days you don't have to fabricate your own nozzles as you can buy a siphon nozzle for around $40 that is designed for waste oil burners! We never went to 75lbs pressure, usually 14lbs on heated oil or just siphon and maybe 20lbs on preheated air. Burns real clean!
Those nozzles suck and you still gotta buy valves and fittings so no its not $40 at all
An old paint spray gun can be very useful for this setup, very adjustable.
It's the pieto or pietol effect that draws fuel through via a stream of passing gas creating a low pressure zone to cause the draw. The venturi effect is where a narrowing of an opening causes pressure to be converted into velocity. Yes I see from your drawing that your jet is a combination of the two effects.
Do you mean Bernoulli's principle?
Just buy a cheap harbor freight paint gun that uses gravity feed, adapt it to fit your application. Good video none the less
Would a brake line not work reasonably well and be much easier to acquire?
There are fraction, number, and letter drill bits. Look up a drill chart to see how accurate things can get! Cheers
A lot of these parts can sometimes be sourced from model shops
I built one of these nozzles tonight and was able to substantially simplify the build.
Parts list written verbatim as it appears on my receipt:
1/4" FIP brass cap
1/4" MIP x 2" Nipple Brass
1/4" x 1/4" x 1/4" FIP Tee Brass
Two 1/8" barb x 1/4" MIP Adapter Brass [might want to use a larger size for the oil, depending on viscosity and output requirements.]
1/4OD x .170 ID vinyl tube [the 1/4" OD tubing fits tightly on the 1/8" barb. you can test your chosen diameters at the home improvement store with the displays]
On hand
1/4" Copper Tubing x ~4"
The assembly is pretty much as you outline, except that you solder the copper tube to the 1/8" barb fitting, omit the elbow, and use another 1/8" barb on the bottom side of the tee. The copper tube replaces the specialty brass tube and omits the need for the reducer fitting. The assembly is highly adjustable from three connection points to get the orifice just right. The oversized copper tube caused no issues during testing, it draws a venturi just fine. It is aided with gravity, but it will eventually prime even above the reservoir.
I used no teflon tape and soldered no joints (aside from the copper tube). It worked just fine testing with water; no leaks. I plan to add jam nuts to the connections to keep adjustability depending on what oil I'm using at the time.
I was absolutely BLOWN away by how well this came together with my limited machining skills. I didn't even have the right size drill bit and was wallering out the hole in the cap until the tube fit through. The atomization was INCREDIBLE!
I pulled the cord off my bench AC compressor and don't remember how it was wired, I couldn't get it to start, so I used a regular air compressor for testing, began at 90 PSI and it was about 60 when my bucket fell off the stool I stopped the test. There was no noticable drop in atomization. A little sputtering though, I think that was liquid delivery issue. Higher head or a larger hose should resolve this.
The sputtering was caused by your lack of Teflon tape
@@NOBOX7 Interesting. The connections seemed to be air tight, but I did a water dunk test and found leaks everywhere. I wrapped all connections in teflon tape and proceeded.
I found your video on AC compressor wiring - got that running! Many thanks for that vid.
Sputtering was still a problem, but this time it was clearly an airflow problem.
I wanted to see what this burner could do so I hooked up my air compressor and set the hose at 60PSI. If there was sputtering, it's not apparent!
I just published a test video. watch?v=wDVTvXDllks
I will be ordering those craft metal tubes as this is honestly WAY too much power and fuel. I'd need a bigger compressor to make much use out of it.
Diesel injectors work great to.. and you can find them at junkyards and are built for heat.
For dirty fuel?
Not without pressure and cannot be siphon fed.
One question i hope you see this message, i know its a old video but can you put an elbow on before the air intake and connect propane to use as a startup help, like OkiScrapper did on his wast oil burner.
now a multi lead angular groove right around the tip of the nozzle to spin the air out. maybe some secondary tiny jets to cut spin the atomized stream.
in my dreams . but man thats is bad ass idea , i can see it in my head . the jets would cause some desirable eddies also
NOBOX7 yup! That was my job when working on huge oil refinery furnaces! If you could get it to spin your efficiency would sky rocket! I would adjust the nozzels and get that perfect spin. The engineers freaked out because they had never seen such good performance when I was adjusting they came out to check their instruments to see if they were working right. It has to be perfect though. Adjustable jets are needed.😉 But hey you did a fine job brother!
Good job , that's a nice setup, can't wait to see it run.
Great build smart man MUSIC NOT NEEDED>
Isn't it more efficient to have the flame heat draw the air up into the burn chamber directed to create vortex so that greater heat can be stored in housing for less oil consumption it's utilizing every bit of thermal heat without loss out exhaust piping
Great design, just 1 problem as I see it
What’s to stop the nozzle choking up when put in the confines of a cylinder as the heat of that magnitude will have flames bouncing back at the nozzle
Very good video, thank you so much! I am just building waste oil burner for aluminum furnance.
Now I have some ideas how to make it. At the moment I don't know which diameter of the small tube I have to choose? Maybe I have to test it. Waste oil is more viscous than diesel.
Best regards from Germany.
I'm impressed, too. But what can you tell us about that blue vise? Who made it and what are the purposes of the asymmetrical features?
Muito bom, em breve irei construir o meu forno para fundir alumínio. valeu pela dica
Why not use a regular oil burner nozzle ? They cost less than $20. and they come rated with different gal per hr and various spray angles / patterns . I do like seeing your build and think you did a great job.
Some time in the future I would like to build a vaporizer system that works without any kind of electricity.......
The ones you can by dont work the same , those chose manufacturing over functionality . also by the time you by all the rest the stuff you need this is way cheaper , i can build a nozzle with 2 valves for $24 connectors and all . Plus they are made in china so im good...
Your video is great, but if you could make it a little more shaky by jolting the camera all over the place it would be a lot better. Just a friendly suggestion.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Great tutorial. If you haven't already, please consider a video showing how to make a small oil burner and foundry setup.
Cheers
O melhor video sobre queimadores de óleo, autor demonstra do inicio ao fim a construção do queimador e no final mostra o funcionamento, assim deveriam ser os videos do you tube, didaticos servindo p´ra alguma coisa.
Obrigado pelo feedback positivo meu amigo
Looks cool !! I kinda see what you did. Nice
i don't know if its just a Chicago thing but i've had access to the needed tubing for years at my local ace hardware, well almost every ace stocks ks metals. if wished they sell even smaller tubing, the ID is about .023 inches and OD of about 1/16 inch.
Very good info and awesome music!
K&S-brand metal materials, including the tubing you used, is available in a well-stocked hobby store that caters to the model airplane and model railroad markets. The brand can also be found in some hardware stores, though maybe not their entire line.
ive used the stuff since i was little in many projects and im lucky enough that my local hardware store socks most of their products,
@@jamesluck2969 .......with free SHOES !!! lol
Guys i mixed up fip and mip , forgive me , didnt notice at the time
You had me @10:50 "Vena contracta" 😍
LOL i appreciate your Joy
Excellent!!
What about chamfering the end of the tube,just a bit! Leave fat face edge but have a small chamfer. Let the air get closer to the id of the tube??!
Wow...
Nice job sir...
Just a thought could you try a dye in the water 💦 that s showed up with a black light. It's just a thought that you may be able to see the fine mist of the jet
Check out the glass place in montreal they have 2 or 3 sizes of brass tube 1/16-3/32.... don't know of bigger sizes but they have your tube
You could also champfer the inside of the spray nut to and champfer the stem of the oil nozzle to create a more concentric nozzle. just a thought
Analization sounds about right. Harbor freight sells a cup gun that mimics this assembly . either way better plan on filtering or pain in the orifice will occur.
Fantastic set up bro . Can’t wait to see it burning oil
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Judging from the thread pitch and the od of the pipe nipples you are using 1/8 npt not 1/4 npt. 1/8” npt has 27 threads per inch and 1/4” national pipe thread is 18 threads per inch. Correct me if I am incorrect in this observance
You could tap four holes 90 degrees around the oil spear, and put small screws in them that would push on the spear and make it adjustable.
Very good work ! how do you inject the oil in the burner ? is it by gravity ?
a tip for a cutting torch may simplify this
Good job, you are the best
Could use a cheap harbor freight paint airbrush to accomplish this...? 🤔
no it doesn't work well , trust me bought many
That will make a decent flamethrower.
Good info--Do you have a link or the name and where you bought the small torch that you solder the pipe together with. Thanks
What about using a spray gun tip
How much copper base metal can melt sir ? I wanted to melt 100 kg ,is possible with same design
Yes we can
Thanks for the video man, it was informative. I accept that you aren't a professional videographer, and am not going to make snide comments about it being shakey. (sorry seeing that repeatedly in the comments annoys me for you). I have a question, and did not see it asked, in this configuration, roughly how much oil does this consume per hour? I'm looking at a home foundry, and doing research on the delivery methods, and this looks amazingly promising, but I'm also seeing guys melting iron at a gallon per hour flow rate, and even atomized I'm guessing you are running much more than that. This looks like it would open a gateway to the nine hells when it gets burning.
Hello John , it can melt cast iron in 8 minutes using 1/2 gallon of oil
think the brass tube is used for the icemaker of a fridge , either that or brakeline
I know im probably way late on this lol...but if maybe you could use a laundry detergent or CLR to a water mix and a good 4' black light setup it would illuminate your spray pattern making it visable. Basically any type of safe liquid containing phosphates.
Nice video !!! did you take them apart and do it again ? the threads had solder on them.
Man what you could do with our little machine shop!
something came to mind what about an spraygun conversion?
I already used parts from a spray gun , they work perfectly btw.
What you made there is an air brush..... 😁
I was thinking gravity fed spray gun
How long are the pipes
what is the difference between oil bunker burner vs. diesel burner? do the burner is the same but can be fueled with different products?
hope i can ask advise and thank you
Diesel burners cannot burn oil but oil burners can burn diesel
Get a oil nozzle ( Boiler)G P H no 6 or heaver... angle of spray at 100 psi.. waist oil will need filtering and pre heating..i would think.
Could you just hook an air compressor to the pump mechanism on an antique torch? Now I gotta try that...
Awesome concept for waste oil or diesel or kerosene atomization. Curious though why you (later video) used it with a relatively inefficient 90 degree air horn. Curious if this design could be used with something more like a propane Venturi burner (like the steel forging guys use) but using this nozzle in the place of the straight propane nozzle... also of note, common propane is only pressurized around 8psi, yet that is enough to draw in sufficient oxygen in a propane Venturi burner, curious how low of compressor psi your siphon design can function on. Also I’m very curious how large of a compressor is needed to supply the flow requirements of this design. I’ll likely build my own to mirror your siphon setup, but I will try using a propane style Venturi burner to house it in and see what I can get. I just purchased the 2mm brass tubing for the oil (I will start off with a 50/50 mix of waste motor oil and diesel) and see if this can generate enough heat (inside of a forge) to reach forge welding of steel temperature. Worst case I might need to make 2 burners, just hoping my little 5hp compressor (and 80 gallons of tank capacity) can keep up
If you examine the chronology of it all you will see that it was development process , nothing better at the time was on youtube , i had to roll up my sleeves and do it myself , it took months of tinkering . this is all old news , i dont use this design any more
@@NOBOX7 yeah I just stumbled into this video haha, gonna take me a few days to watch all of them. Just watched the 8 minute iron melt, that burner design looks pretty darn efficient with the air preheat chamber that is kinda coffin shaped... maybe I’ll replicate that setup. Thanks for the reply, I’ll be watching a bunch more of your burner stuff for sure!
would one of these be suitable for a foundry furnace for say, aluminum or brass casting? looking for an alternative to swapping out propane tanks every other day. LOL
Yes email me if you want one contact info is in description
Wouldn't that work for a snow cannon as well?
yes it will
COPPER OIL PRESSURE LINE ? MODIFIDE PAINT GUN ?
I was wondering how this worked!
You never lit it, does it work?
I'm not very familiar with this since I'm in southern California but most automotive engine crankshaft and cam bearings contain cobalt, chrome, lead, and manganese so if we were to atomize and burn the waste oil from those engines wouldn't we be potentially putting lead hexavalent chrome and cobalt vapors and particulates into the space we're trying to heat?
Doesn't really matter inside a furnace
What are you using to ignite the atomized fuel?
Always wondered how those worked. Thanks!
It's like a simple airbrush
That tubing can be purchased at a hobby store that sells model stuff
Harbor freight paint gun a lot less work but good job
its like a paint gun nozzle
just found your videos glad I did. for now with my budget I'm working with smith's little torch. and I didn't want the hassle of running out of oxygen and prices to refill I found a free oxygen concentrator and I keep lots of propane all ready camping, cooking, heating etc emergences. until I find the best route for me on an HHO setup. i see you using the same torch with your own tip made. i didn't find a video of your playlist yet about the mod. Im looking for a rosebud style or any tip really i can make or buy other than the store-bought ones price. for silver melting small ingots with my propane/oxy set up now or how far i can push this little torch I know its not ideal for melting 1-3 oz of silver but this set up is at a jewelry bench inside so trying to do most work there with one or two torches and not going out to the workshop every 15 min for something. plus workshop area is used for woodworking knife making, metal grinding, welding, auto working/painting so dirtier condition out there. any thoughts or tips would be great. looking at your Amazon store now. Im new to youtube stuff I didnt see how to contact you, so if this is the wrong place please delete this. thanks liking the videos
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Hey Brother , my number and email is in most of my video descriptions , contact me if you need help , i have 2 amazon stores , one is a storefront that contains items that i do not sell the other contains the foundry burner i sell and the steam torch
I also have a website and a ebay
@@NOBOX7 thanks for info and fast response will talk more soon. i like the your dry hho. you see alot of chinese made ones out there for sale but not a lot of output. just dont know how long they would last.
nice idea however your design looks a little to complex. Search for Babington burner. it is a much simpler design and achieves a very good atomization. His burner designs were used by the US Army in the food ration heaters and they were using heavy motor oil.