What does the Bible say about women pastors? Does the Bible restrict a woman from serving as a pastor? Source Article: www.gotquestions.org/women-pa...
I am a female and after studying the word and being in the church I'm in now, I realized this is true. I don't feel angry and resentful. God knows what's best! 😊
Obedience is better than sacrifice. It's about respecting God's power structure. After all at the end of the day we will all be judged based off of scripture. There are many mysteries that we still don't know and may never know. But this is very clearly laid out
What a breath of fresh air to find this comment. It’s a beautiful thing to submit to God’s order. We all want to do what is right in our own eyes in many areas, but it hurts to see the divide between men and women in this issue. Thanks for speaking up
@leonardvelasquez4162 Brother, it's clear you are either trying to be funny or cause some sort of division. She clearly stated after studying the word she realized the structural system that was laid out in creation and the church. I didn't see anything in regards to her saying she was a pastor.
Yes there is so much need, it seems to me an issue of the flesh or spiritual warfare with the devil whispering in the ear distracting woman from a holy calling to lead women or children- are they not just as valuable to lead as men?? The bible even says elsewhere older women should train the younger woman. There is plenty of other work to be done!
Elder women can teach younger women how to keep their households and children well. Titus 2:4-5 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
And in teaching children, which include boys, they then raise godly, balanced, well rounded and mature men who will love and respect their wives, treat other ladies with honor and respect, and become strong and godly fathers of children (boys and girls) being taught by these godly women. The cycle goes on and on.
What about college ministries? Can a woman teach a mixed congregation if she’s not officially a pastor and she’s just teaching people at a college fellowship? Be honest, please.
Sounds nice but not biblical. Must be the husband of one wife. Pastors are male. Follows the order of creation. Women are not to usurp authority over men. Being a pastor automatically expresses authority over people.
@@samuelgely4532 Well..well...in your haste to comment you totally missed what the OP is saying. Women that humble themselves before God will not want to be in the position of Pastor as, it is God's way for it not to be.
True, very true. After all why would Christians prevent someone anybody from sharing, preaching and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ? Only Satan would want to prevent that, and Satan can influence people to prevent others from sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ, including women who want to preach.
Oh lucky God has you to speak for him, perhaps you can rebuke God about the things he has wrong according to your superior inteligece 😂 you arent arrogant much! 🤦🏻♂️
I love this ministry because they pulled no punches on this subject & many others. Having integrity & a biblically consistent theology is not easy- but it matters. Bravo Got Questions Ministries! 👏
@@aerong1130 because if women are not allowed to speak at all then why are they asked to cover their head while praying or prophesying, as those things require speaking. also, it's difficult to claim that prophesying is not "exercising authority". this verse is central to most of the arguments in favour of women being allowed to speak in church.
@@baloyishane3223 you are correct. However, it does not address the apparent contradiction between this statement and the interpretation of the passage in 1 Timothy 2 that it refers to all women not being allowed to speak in all churches.
I use this ministry a lot to help me understand. They have never led me wrong. So thankful for their keeping to the Word of God and also backing up what they believe by Scripture as we are supposed to do. A great ministry and right on the mark. So thankful .
Hi Carol, I'm glad we're like minded on backing up what we believe with scripture. That being said, are you aware that there isn't a single scripture of Jesus saying anything like "I am God," which is taught as fact in probably 80-90% (my guess) of the world's Christian churches?
@slothrocket8540 If I said there's no "I" in "team"... you wouldn't take that literally, right? Same thing here. A lot of the language in scripture is nuanced like this. Here's what Jesus is saying: John 17:11 (AMP), talking about the disciples, "...Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which you have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are." John 21-23 (AMP), still talking about the disciples, ""that they all may be one; just as you, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us..." "... that they may be one, just as We are one..." You get the picture.
Thank you Got Questions for teaching what the Bible clearly says in 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Culture conforming churches do not want clarity on this issue so they can do what they want instead of what God's Word says, but God has spoken and His message is clear.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Luke 20:36 For they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 context! Gal 3 is about salvation....not about qualifications for pastoral office! Without context you twist the meaning. Titus 1 clearly says...."husband of one wive". 1 Tim 2 is CLEAR and they are both about teachers
I'm 65 years old and as a Christian that's read the Bible.A pretty good bit.I've always thought this way but I really appreciate how this was done, It was not done in a bad spirit but with loving kindness , Thank you for this lesson and my god bless 🙏
If a book written 2000 years ago and compiled by men, goes against equality, yes. The West has improved a lot in education, healthcare and rights since the separation of Church and State.
Excellent teaching!!! The best I have heard so far! My sisters don't get upset with me. If you want to know what is true and acceptable to God, ask in all humility and the Holy Spirit will reveal it to you.
I never knew a woman could not pastor a church. When women preach the gospel it always felt wrong in a big church that they own. Now I know why thank you for sharing.
Donelle I post on this a lot. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. Women can have any valid position/title in our time. Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood of believers. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired. About 4 minutes to read it.
Neither can a man 'pastor a church'. This concept is alien to the NT church; we have a body of differently gifted people all growing together. We have overseers who help us by teaching, organizing, prompting pastoral care of each other...there is no 'one-man circus' in the NT at all. The NT documents show men and women together engaged in the life of the church, the gifts of the Spirit are not sex-differentiated. Our current habits have produced the lazy Christian in droves, not a group all studying the word and discussing it, testing our ideas against it like the Bereans.
@@user-iz8np3vv4ithere is a lot more biblical support for complementarianism than egalitarianism… You should listen to Mike winger’s sermon series on this topic! He actually started as an egalitarian but after doing research he could not honestly believe it was biblical anymore. Egalitarian arguments just don’t hold water.
@@graysonrowe9780 Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i Deborah was not a pastor but rather prophetic in her passing on divine words as she settled disputes as her role as a judge. She was a prophetess not a pastor. She is a great example of how God can you use a woman mightily through spiritual gifts that he has given us all.
@@rocketscientisttoo Hi David Benjamin. Thanks for the inquiry. These are convictions from the Holy Spirit that is present in me. That's what I meant. And I'm glad to be taught thru this video. :) But yes, it is true to Scripture.
Thank you “Got Questions” this helps me spread the gospel to family, friends, and neighbors whom I love dearly, and it helps me as well. May God continue to bless this ministry. 🙏🏽🙏🏼🙏
1 Tim 2: 11-12 is not a matter of interpretation at all. It is a matter of ignoring scriptures. I just left an SBC church that I thought was at least mostly conservative. Women started leading church services (women who weren't even members) and that caused me to start asking questions of the leading deacons and pastors. I found out the leadership is not at ALL conservative but far left. The leading pastor told me "I support (Creepy) Jo as long as he supports Godly principles." You can imagine my retort. Needless to say that was the crux of the conversation and I told them to immediately remove my name from the member roll. Thank God I found a Godly church in 2 weeks.
You need to completely come out of mans church's for they are all corrupt . Go to the Bibles Church called the Body of Christ and just do as Jesus Christ told us. As He said , anyone who hears his Words and does them are his brothers , sisters and mother.
@@misha-elministries5246 - You cannot condemn all churches because most are corrupt. The Word does command us to assemble regardless of our opinions. I found a great church who preaches the Word hot. It's a Free Will Baptist church, very small but Godly.
@@redfaux74 The Body of Christ is the only Church . This Church is a Holy Priest Hood of which all are born again . I am glad it is Hot . If you would like to get even hotter just read the Word of God and do it. God Bless.
Wow. Great example. One study found that whoever is the bread winner is usually considered head, not gender. They also found that when a woman makes more money than her spouse (is superior) she no longer desires him. So yes, when woman attain this power or perceived power, it will most likely end in divorce. Obviously there are .ore factors involved but that is definitely true what you said
Absolutely. Even if they don't claim to want to rule over their husband, the "equal" to each other lie also creates divorce. Nowhere in the Bible is there allowance for arguments in the household. The man should seek his wife's counsel and get her input, as God can certainly speak through her, give her wisdom and additional insight he might lack, but that is not an opening for her to ARGUE her point or FIGHT for what SHE wants. Men are predisposed to both defend and please women. Paul mentions this as a reason not to get married as the man's primary desire will be to please his wife as opposed to focus on the ministry and serve God. Also, what was Adam's sin? He listened to his wife(out of a desire to please her) and NOT the command of the Lord. So the idea that women need to fight and argue with their husband or be trampled upon is absurd. But yet there is so much strife in Christian homes, not just worldly people's homes, because of this false teaching that the husband and wife are equal in their position in the marriage. Two headed creatures are always a gross mutation and of course never fair well, so it doesn't work in nature, or any organization, especially the home. Even Jesus is subordinate to the Father, and ONLY did His Father's will, and He's perfect, so His own will would be perfect, yet he chose to be submissive and obedient to the Father's will.
Because as early as the beginning of time, woman’s desire is to rule over authority with man. See Genesis 3:16 when God instructed women to have their desire be under men’s, but nature of women is to do the opposite.
@@brenthair1228Exactly! Sadly. They shirk their responsibilities. They leave decisions for wives, do not be the spiritual leader in the home etc. I keep asking my ( Christian) husband to read us the Bible, pray, have daily devotions, take us to church and he refuses.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 when it says that their os no male or female in Christ, it is talking about inheritance. You might not know this, but back in the day son's were the only ones that got inheritance, and daughters did not. The verse you are referring to tells us that both brothers and sisters in Christ will share in his inheritance (a.k.a. the Kingdom of God). Galatians has nothing to do with females being able to pastor a Church. You are miss reading the Bible, and putting your own beliefs into it. When you read the Bible you shouldn't do it with any bias, or to make a point true that you already preconceived as true in your head. Change your way of thinking to match God's word, don't change God's word to match your feelings.
I started something at my church today. A second in charge for our region in the denomination came to speak, after that we held a meeting of sorts to talk about the pastor stepping down (he wants to, not because of sin). Everything was going pretty good until he asked if anyone held objections to women preaching, I was the only one who disagreed. It didn’t go down well, it hurt seeing that I hurt someone, but I can’t back down. Even if it means to be excommunicated from the gathering. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
@@SalsaSippin_ that’s because your conscience isn’t seared. It’s been explained multiple times in the New Testament that women aren’t supposed to hold that office
Sadly, my husband and I were given no option but to leave our church because we held to the view that scripture teaches that women are not to be pastors and hold this teaching authority over men. At first we thought we could continue in fellowship there by 'agreeing to disagree' on this issue but things were made clear when we raised an issue on false teaching being brought via the lady pastor. They would not countenance any questioning of the pastors leading and we were ' out of order', causing disunity and failing to display the fruit of the spirit. God has since brought us into fellowship at a Biblical church and we know without a doubt that God had his hand on us. We must pray for those 'trapped' in churches that practice error that the Lord gives them the courage to be Bereans and not be harmed by personal attacks coming from the leaders of such churches.
It shouldn't be up for debate because the Bible is VERY clear. God has created men and women differently in their places and for a reason. If you break that created order that God has established, you break the Fifth Commandment. Men should not look like women and women not look like men. If a woman serves in a man's role, she dishonors her head. It is an even greater sin for a man to appear like an effeminate woman because he dishonors his Head, Christ.
Even Deborah the judge in the Old Testament was subject to the high priest, who was always a man. Consistently in the whole Bible, in each hierarchical echelon of ecclesiastical authority, there was always a man at the top. This is true for Deborah, Priscilla, and any other woman.
So you shall come to the Levitical priests OR the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 After Deborah decided, that was it. "Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict..."
1 Timothy 2:12 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” Feminists hate God and His Word. If they loved God they would obey Him.
verse 15 says women are saved through childbirth and only if they continue in faith, love, holiness and self-control. This contradicts John 3:16 Jesus' own words and Paul in Ephesians 2:8-10 and note he has introduced works - if they continue in. Is this God's word?
@@michaelicornelius 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. There are no contradictions in the Word of God. You are treating the Word of God like a Chinese Buffet. Taking a little here and a little from there to form your own theology. There is such a thing as dead faith or believing in vain. This will not save you. The Bible defines the Bible. When you see words like “the world “ you should do a word search in the King James Bible to see how it’s used throughout the whole book. For instance Jesus also said: John 17:9 “I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.” King James Version (KJV) There are 2 kinds of people. Children of God and children of the devil. Children of God believe the Bible even if they don’t understand it. That is saving faith. Children of the devil don’t believe the Bible. They say it isn’t true. They say it’s full of contradictions. They will burn in hell for all eternity gnashing their teeth.
Thank you for a very apt explanation about this, there's a lot of resistance in the church over this which is sad because it is man resisting the will of God. Let's humble ourselves before the Lord our God
This video explains this very well, this can be difficult to accept for there are some amazing women of God out there good speakers yet God has a plan and we have to follow it obedience to the Lord
Thank God for this ministry. Its vast amount of contents are biblical and easy to understand. I will continue to financially support and recommend this ministry to others.
And also tell every girl that preaches the word of God that she is going to hell. She has no business converting people to Jesus and causing people to repent and live holy
I relocated about a year ago and have been shopping for a church, I didn't realize how many churches do have woman Pastors, the last 4 churches I have tried!! It was not on their website so I didn't know until I got there.
Good job, you'll find an obedient church soon. A church who takes the word of God seriously and doesn't try to use reasoning skills and false interpretations to veer away from scripture clear teaching
@user-iz8np3vv4i Actually, it is about gender, God created men and women differently and has given them different gifts and different roles. Who are we to question it.
@@lauraswanson6161 What God did regarding Deborah was His will. That must be accepted. A teaching/doctrine that is against what God actually did must be false. I suggest my short essay on Deborah. A Judge was a pastor, according to scripture. A Judge could teach as he/she gave a verdict, according to scripture. A Judge could judge homicide cases, according to scripture. There was no way to alter or appeal a Judge's verdict, according to scripture.
I'd avoid any church with a 'pastor'. Find one with a community of serving elders who are humble, kind, knowledgeable, both men and woman (see Titus) and not lovers of money: check the cars they drive on that one! Find a church where all are encouraged to exercise and develop their gifts, where there is real teaching: you know with workbooks, readings (of related articles and papers), eager learning of Greek to read the NT it its first language. The check on teaching is if young people get to college age and they know their Bible, the creeds and what they mean and can answer the 7 basic questions in ordinary conversational language: why do you believe in God? Why are you Christian? Why do you read the Bible? Did Christ rise from the dead? Why do you attend church? Why is there evil and suffering in the world? and Doesn't science disprove the Bible?
Great video right here. This should forever put to rest the evil spirits in people that get triggered and take a non-Biblical argument on the subject matter while pretending it is OK biblically speaking for a women to pastor a church or teach/preach to men.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first then Eve; Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1st Timothy 2:11-14)
See my comment in chief above, but does this permit men to 'exercise authority' over women? I think not. Our authority is the word of God, and we handle it as the Bereans did: searching the scriptures, not to confirm our post Roman Catholic church culture, with a 'leader' instead of a community of servants, but to find where we must follow it and not our culture that deprecates the gifts of women if they don't match our cultural prejudices.
You say this with a weird tone. Eve was deceived and Adam ate too…so NO God does not give men permission to exercise authority over women. For BOTH men and women, the ONLY authority they submit to is the Word of God.
Thank you for explaining the roles of men and women in the church. Some preachers do not explain clearing why women are not allowed to preach but teach. I am every glad came across this video.❤
To the women watching this, wanting to lead and teach: 1. Check your intentions (NOT your heart) to make sure it's what GOD wants you to do. 2. If you're not married, teach children in a Sunday school - you never know if those children have a Godly mother figure in their lives. 3. If you are married, teach and advise your husband. A Godly man will receive wise counsel from his wife and share it with a general congregation. After all, it's not your words or his words, it's the Holy Spirit's words. 4. If you are an older or widowed woman, teach younger women. There is so much need for Godly role models for young women. "The harvest is ripe but the workers are few."
@@bernhardtgerbrandt6021 Trust me...we God fearing wives do advise our husbands. They will listen to us, take into consideration what we say and as said, share should it be of sound doctrine. It's called a relationship not a dictatorship
The harvest is ripe but the workers are few ?, wasn't Jesus referring and talking about reaching the lost in this verse, because the church didn't come into existence until pentecost.
I have something to point out a question rather...Paul said I forbid he didn't say God forbids. Could this be a preference of Paul or was this a command from The Lord. There were female Prophets. If a woman teaches and someone gets saved and have a true conversion is their conversion null. I'm not posing this question to cause division or an argument. I'm just provoking thought.
All scripture is inspired by the Spirit of God,whether is paul's suggestion or God's command. All of it is still God's word. . Jesus said i will gather goats to left and sheeps to the right. All those he said depart from me,they did heal people,they did save people in the name of Jesus but they were not working for Jesus. I hope you answered.
@@SiceloKhumalo-mx9fi yes but only if you are to use your life for His ministry , paul said if you can stay away from all temptations and commit exclusively for ministry, you should do so , because a person who is unmarried has lots of time for the ministry But if you are going to be tempted and swayed it is better to be married Paul wanted men to be like him so the gospel could be spread near and far but not at the risk of committing adultery also paul takes care to say this is his thinking
Excellent and perfect precise Biblical explanation! Such simple and to the point answers to this important issue! It's my prayer that this ' Eye Opening Message ' brings about a much-needed change, in the lives of so many women who have not realized the value and necessity to submit and surrender their bloated EGOS in obedience to the scriptural instructions, clearly and explicitly written in the WORD OF GOD!! That beautiful song 'ALL TO JESUS, I SURRENDER, ALL TO HIM I FREELY GIVE' confirms the believer's willingness to voluntarily surrender just EVERYTHING, which includes one's bloated EGO!! Once the Ego! goes, it will become natural for the child of God to live in obedience to the word of God!! This will come true, when God's people humble themselves and in one accord, pray to our Father in Heaven!! Our God says that, HE WILL answer the prayers of His Children, when they truly obey Him!! Heavenly Father, THY WILL BE DONE! Amen!
I noticed on the “Got Questions” iOS app, the video associated with this title says it “has been removed by the uploader.” Also, the above video, here on RUclips, was uploaded only 3 weeks ago. - Was there a change to this video? - What up with the app video?
One of the best examples I’ve ever read was “Roles”, also illustrated in the Godhead: 1) The Father’s role is to set the plan for salvation, sending the Son. 2) The Son’s role is to proclaim the Gospel and die for our sins completing the Father’s Plan. 3) The Holy Spirit’s role is that of calling us to God’s saving Grace. Each member having equal value and importance (One God, three persons), yet each one playing a specific role. As such men and women have equal value, but in God’s perfect design have been assigned different roles.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
My wife and I have been having such a hard time finding a church. Almost all of them we’ve been to have some form of women amongst the pastoral staff. We can’t continue to attend them. If they’re so open about ignoring such a clear part of scripture, what else are they willing to ignore?
@@user-iz8np3vv4i Debrah was not a part of the post Christ church, which is what 1 Timothy addresses. Men and women are absolutely created equal. Having different roles as commanded by the Bible doesn’t equal inequity. I highly suggest you read Paul’s letters again.
@@flightTime123 It's not about roles. It's about men and women being perfectly equal spiritually. My short post 'Complementarianism' is below. Complementarianism That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are. The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can they teach men. So why is that? The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make any sense. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also embrace her position in the lower tier. A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women. A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but they aren't, but they are, when did that start? But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. -excerpt 1 Timothy 2 It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb. So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i men an women can be created equal but have different design. Scripture is pretty supportive of that. And again, you’re still ignoring Paul’s letters.
@@flightTime123 Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did must be a false doctrine. A Judge had the authority, in scripture, to execute men for certain sins. If a man refused the verdict of a Judge on any matter, the penalty, according to scripture, was execution. God ruled Israel through Deborah, since she was a Judge. Taken from my essay: A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: ...since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
What if women recieve a word from God and feel led to share it? Not as pastors or as authoritative persons, are we allowed to speak publically or privately about the word God has given, even if men are present? The other day I felt led to speak to my dad about things, was it considered me taking authority over him to share it? Or what about if someone is a false prophet/ speaks untruthfully about the word? Are we not allowed to correct them? I understand we all have our own roles, and God is often in the quiet places, making it even more beautiful that women serve in silence, but in scenarios like I mentioned, what are we meant to do?
Women can very much talk and preach about the word of God just not in a preachers or a priests position. Spread the word of the lord to the ends of the earth
Paul says in corintheans that both men AND WOMEN can prophesy and even speak in toungues. So of course you can. But must follow same rules as men, meaning dont interrupt someone when they are prophesying, and dont speak in toungues unless you have an interpreter or if someone is already speaking in toungues. We must wait our turn.
I ain't going to be Happy or Free until Jesus comes back to Rule..do away with all these offices...Jesus is the Head of the Church....Jesus is the Bridegroom... Jesus is The True Shepherd/Pastor and owner of His Flock..not PreacherMan...he only protects and cares for himself and his wolf pack who in turn protect and cover up for him...Welcome to the Modern Day Church..it looks nothing like the Church in Paul's day...Today's Pastor in the Pulpit range from Misogynists to Drag Queens on the other end...I hope and plead every day For Jesus to come back and put right what has been going wrong since before Constantine took over the Church and established the Modern Day Church as we see it to day both Catholic and Protestant as well as Great/Mega and Small/Local...Follow Jesus not Mere Mortal Men...I don't care how high his office is on Earth...if it ain't Jesus I'm not going to Follow IT...'cause Today's Preacher Man is anything but a REAL MAN...Jesus is a REAL MAN and O'SO MUCH MORE ! I BEG FOR JESUS TO COME BACK SOON SO THE WORLD AS WELL AS THE CHURCH CAN JUST SEE FOR ONCE IN THEIR LIFE WHAT A REAL MAN LOOKS LIKE....HE"S NEITHER A MISOGYNIST NOR A DRAG QUEEN...HE IS THE KING OF KINGS!! HE IS THE GOOD SHEPHERD...HE IS MY BEST FRIEND...HE HAS BECOME MY ONLY FRIEND ONLY HIM AND HIS WORD DO I PUT MY TRUST...THE MODERN DAY CHURCH IS NOTHING BUT THE WHORE OF BABYLON AND HER PIMP PREACHERMAN IS THE FALSE GOD BAAL/DAGON !
@@butterinacat I agree. The first people to proclaim that Jesus was risen were women. So obviously there is nothing wrong with evangelizing. The problem lies in women trying to teach and lead the body of Christ. That's not our place.
@@jananelson8556dear soul please be careful of your words and use kindness. Do not speak against the Lord's ministers for you will be held accountable for what you say that slanders and hurts others. Men in leadership are not misogynists. Although Jesus is the true Head, He did assign shepherds to feed His Flock so if you speak against them you are speaking against the Lord. Offices are put in place to help maintain order and authority in the church. However He is the true Head. He desires we be submissive to those who watch over our souls and not grieve them for we shall give an account to God for that
@@aran1162 Okay...so a friend brought up a question at the course of our Bible study yesterday. She wants to know why Jesus cast out demons into pig's also knowing well that was someone's business. And what he meant when he said "let the dead bury their dead".
@@racheal8062 This is an excerpt taken from the“Got Questions” website. “The Bible doesn’t explain to us Jesus’ reasoning, but displaying His sovereign power over demons could be one reason why Jesus sent them into the pigs. If the pigs’ owners were Jews, Jesus could have been rebuking them for violating Mosaic law which forbids Jews from eating or keeping unclean animals such as swine (Leviticus 11:7). If the swineherds were Gentiles, perhaps Jesus was using this miraculous event to show them the malice of evil spirits under whose influence they lived, as well as displaying His own power and authority over creation. In any case, the owners were so terrified to be in the presence of such spiritual power that they made no demand for restitution for the loss of their property and begged Jesus to leave the region.” When it comes to the dead burying the dead, Jesus was referring to those who were spiritually dead, and have no interest in God.
I know two women who serve as pastors to a church that has no permanent pastor. They are seeking one. But these two women are filled with the Holy Spirit, and they preach the gospel of the blood atonement of Christ, and people have been born again through their preaching, so how can that be wrong?
So, they're "filled with the Holy Spirit" while acting in rebellion to the word?? The Holy Spirit agrees with the word. He doesn't oppose it. The spirit of rebellion can also fill a person. And pride feels wonderful. The only way to test a spirit is by the WORD.
@@josephbreaux2668 Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant, makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul. Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications of elder that he himself put forward. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings. But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus A full post on this is available. Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 To answer your question, *yes.* If someone willfully goes against the words of God recorded in the Bible, then they are not truly obeying God. Women CAN be helpful in many ways and serve many roles. God created women for this reason: "Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him *a helper* fit for him.” God wanted men to have wives and not be alone, however, some people can remain single as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 7:8. Women, specifically wives, MUST submit to their husbands: "Wives, *submit to your own husbands,* as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:22-23) Truly, Jesus Christ is our true role model "Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." (Hebrews 12:2)
1. How many number of versions of Bibles have been created till date ?? 2. Can someone post reference Link about different versions of Bibles. 3. Can someone list combos of Christian denomination - Bible version used
The different 'versions' are different translations from the same early manuscripts. They differ in style of language, national readership (so British and US translators differ), and 'tone' desired. Some are for simpler readers, others for more skilled readers. I hope you are not falling into the 'trap' of thinking the different 'versions' are different texts teaching different things.
Mike Winger is doing an exhaustive series on women in ministry currently. Would highly recommend a listen if you’re interested in learning more about what the Bible teaches on this subject!
Even comparing contexts, it seems to me that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 bears generally the same meaning and reasoning, even if it doesn't mention the reason in as many words.
Women in the Bible with ministerial calling: Apostle Junia (Romans 16:7) Prophetess Deborah (Judges 4:4-5) Prophetess Miriam "Mary" (Exodus 15:20) Prophetess Huldah (2 Chronicles 34:21-22) Prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36-37) Pastor Priscilla (1 Corinthians 16:19) Deacon Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) Yet, somehow, people still assume women cannot be Pastors. There's five clear examples of women holding a role of higher authority than a Pastor and another who was a Pastor in the Bible. What? You just skip over that when reading the Bible?
each of these can be broken down to show they're still not approved... Romans, for example, simply says she was well regarded among the Apostles, not that she was an apostle.. They knew her and she had a high reputation.. Deborah was only given power because the men in the nation at that time were weak and not obeying God. It was a very bad time for Israel. Had any other man been worthy he would have been selected. We can continue down through scripture in FULL context and see they're not Pastors, etc..
@@ryanbussell24 Never did I state they're all pastors. Moreover, how far do you go to twist Scripture to accommodate your belief? Regarding Junia, I understand the debate for there is not much detail written about her; yet, the rest of the women with ministerial calling have a full account on their story and that's not even discussing all women used such as Sara, Rebecca, Leah, Rachel, Ruth, Queen Esther, Mary, Joanna and Mary Magdalene, etc. Many men were called in times when Israel was in great rebellion. Do they not count? Have you read not about the Prophet Samuel, the Prophet Jeremiah or men like Jonah and Hosea? Which of the Prophets were called because men were great and obedience was flourishing? On the contrary! Yet, you state women like the Prophetess Deborah were not legitimate b/c men were weak and rebellious; despite the fact, that through HER, God called a man to liberate Israel from Canaan. So, were there men to be used or not? God still called Barak. Even so, Israel's sin was not as terrible until the time of the kings and the Prophets then, that we know of, were men such as the Prophet Isaiah and the Prophet Amos - do they not count since Israel was way worse in comparison to the time of the Judges? Which, none of these male Prophets held such role for the King of Israel and Judah were the ones who judged cases and made rulings. Only a woman, Deborah, was elected by God to be both a Prophetess AND a Judge. What? Did God make an error? Go down the list, and actually read, how God used these women as He does with any man He calls. The glory is not of the vessel, but of Him who fills it, be it man or woman. Don't change Scripture, simply b/c YOU find fault or error in what God has done, does and will always do for HIS glory and not mankind's. If you wish, continue down the list - considering the full context of the female vessel used by God. Truly, I'm curious to hear how far people go to change Scripture. Men are called to be Pastors, such as women, yet I've given a list of women with most having a higher role of authority than ANY male pastor. How so? The Bible has the answer, but so many DON'T understand, which is why His people perish from lack of understanding.
@@Man.of.God30 I don't need to twist scripture.. I can clearly read 1 Corinthians 11 and 14. I can read 1 timothy 2. Titus 1 and 2. And we could go into a LOT of differences.. New Covenant vs Old Covenant. The NT church has different rules than the OT.. This could easily eliminate Deborah, Rachel, Ruth, Esther, etc. A judge is not a pastor. Paul also never says a woman can't speak in prophesy. God selected Deborah at that time because there were absolutely no other options available. He had options with Samuel and Jeremiah, etc. In having to select Deborah there were no other options. Zero. But Deborah still had to answer to a man. Even if she didn't, one exception doesn't invalidate the rule. Especially if God makes that exception. God absolutely can and does use women to do many things. No one is arguing they can't lead other women or children. But they are clearly, multiple times forbidden from having pastoral leads over men. You can't be the husband of one wife if you're a female. You can't ignore 1 timothy 2:12-15. God can and will use women to do great things. But they do not and can not meet the qualifications listed in the NT to be pastors over a church.
@@ryanbussell24 I'll restate it for a third time: not all of them were pastors. A Prophet does not equate a Pastor - different ministry (same with being a Judge. Theyre different). Yet, one has a higher spiritual authority than the other. Its written: "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." (1 Corinthians 12:28). Paul never said that a woman ought not to lead, teach or speak in a congregation. If that were true, than the Prophetess Miriam who, alongside her two brothers, was used to lead Israel out of Egyptian slavery, the Prophetess Huldah who taught the High Priest, other priests and King of Judah the Law of God, and the Prophetess Anna who spoke to the congregation about Christ would all have been in the wrong. However, they were not, for it was the Spirit of God in them that operated and moved. What Paul explained, which he didn't invent, was in accordance with what God established from the time of Adam and Eve after their transgression. That a woman, NOT women, would submit to HER husband, NOT the entire male sex, in and out of the Church. This does not include nor obligate the Spirit of God to not teach, administer or manifest His glory through the use of women. Since when does the flesh, or physical male form supercedes the will of God in the Church? It does not. Sincere question: from where do you derive and subsequently conclude that God did not have a choice but to use Deborah? It makes ZERO sense. But, HOW and WHY do you believe that? On the other hand, not even concerning women, does God NEED men to operate? If there was such a rule, than it was made as an "exception" many times (revisit the my initial list mentioned). There's isn't such a rule, thus I state that you're twisting Scripture. You even contradict yourself because you say they're allowed to prophesize, but then state they cannot speak?? Which is it? Yes or no? The Word of God doesn't contradict itself. You're twisting it, hence the contradiction on your part. Obviously, the husband of one wife would include the female equivalent: a wife of one husband. If we go down that debate than only Adam was kicked out of Eden b/c Scripture ONLY states that man was kicked out. As well as lust, it'd exclude women since it only reads that men should not lust after women. We can't pick and choose when one part means one thing and another means another. The Bible was made for the teaching, instruction and blessing of both men and women. For when we come to Christ, He abides in us and it isn't the physical form that moves in the supernatural but His Spirit in us, be it man or woman. This is spiritually discerned. So, yes, women, just as men, can also be pastors. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:27-28). Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it. Things such as the burnt offerings and being stoned to death, etc. no longer apply. But, where does the Law change in regards to women and men in regards to their sex or societal role? It didn't. God still uses both men and women for all callings in ministry and married women still have to submit to her husband. What change are you referring that, you believe, occurred?
I always go to 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9 on the subject of pastoral (and deacon) qualifications. "The Husband of one wife" v1 of 1 Timothy 3:1. says it all.
This is why I don't follow organized religion. Too many 'traditions of men' involved. I trust the Voice of God, His Holy Spirit. The Bible says that before Jesus's return young men AND women will prophecy and see visions. Thank you. God bless you 🙏🏼🕊
Glad you mentioned original sin ~ for if it is said that Adam (Man) came before Eve (Life), and Eve means "before an event occurs", then which came first, my friend, the atom or the eve? Believe what you will ~ exoneration does not grant immunity from liability, ask any Justice of the Peace. God Bless ~ Much Love ~ Stay Safe
Adam named his help mate Eve because as he said she was the mother of all. I dont know what google search you pulled that out of but you need to get you a 1611 King James and study
The topic of women's ordination has been a matter of debate in different religious organizations for many centuries. Evidence from history indicates that in ancient societies, there were respected lineages of female priests. However, as Catholicism gained prominence, it became evident that the priesthood became a source of power and wealth accumulation. As a result, only men were allowed to hold the role of priesthood. It is important to mention that during the time when Jesus Christ lived two thousand years ago, he treated both men and women equally.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Reply for it if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. That is how a woman could judge men of their sins, including homicide. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
Thank you for your stand on this truth. It is unfortunate that there are so many rebellious women who call themselves Christian but are indoctrinated by feminism. 1 Samuel 15:23 NKJV [23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. / REBELLION is idolatry because a rebellious person sets their opinion or desire above the word of God. Therefore they set up themselves above God. They Idolize their own desires and wants above Gods word. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; [4] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
If we are talking about the modern, western office of pastor, is there anything specifically in the Bible relating to women? We do take certain renderings and interpretations of scripture and apply them to women today but that's different.
To say Jesus was ok with a woman being a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, but Jesus would be strongly opposed to a woman being an elder in a small church in the New, makes no sense. This is all Paul. Paul had a number of false, contradictory and confusing teachings. He was very much a man of his time and his pride. I've looked at several of Paul's teachings, should you want a study. He doesn't come out well.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 Didn't Jesus also say to judge righteous judgement? Judge not lest ye be judged is not a warning to not judge but a warning to judge correctly because of the severity of judging wrongly.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 the Bible never said judge not, it says "judge not lest ye be judge" based on the golden rule, stop haft quoted scripture, Jesus himself said "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge 👉righteous judgment." John 7:24 KJV The same Jesus who said "judge not lest ye be judge."
So what if there is no man to stand up and take the position of the pastor and there is a qualified Deaconess to fill in until a man is found to fill the position. Is that church to close it’s doors or allow the deaconess to fill in until a man is found
If a man and woman are stranded on an island and the man is a sinner, according to some of these people, she would have to wait 20 years until they could be rescued so that another man could teach him about Christ. SMH. If they could only hear themselves.
@@Omatimestwo You’re showing frustration because someone is voicing his obedience to Gods plan, it’s not about our opinions, the only thing that matters is what was Gods plan. When you go against Gods plan you are following your plan over Gods. My question to you is do you believe your plan is better than Gods?
Peace be unto you. Brothers and sisters, it is written "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." 1 Corinthians 14:40 King James Version 40 Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 King James Version 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
(Sorry for the VERY, VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be espoused) Your title has...is debates from many Centuries! And, in these 3 verses in the Bibles": Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall "rule over thee". 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. Now this: Jacob had 12 Sons; That God made 12 Israelite Tribes. Why didn't God use Dinah? Later, Jesus chose 12 male Disciples. Why didn't Jesus chose several female Disciples? There are NO female books writers, in the Bible. Why? And that is 66, mostly long books now. But earlier, it had 80 books. Still written by ALL males. Why? Ans God made King Solomon; the greatest "wisdomed" person ever. And Jesus made St Paul THE greatest wisdomed. 2nd ONLY to Solomon. Thus...I believe this: When God created Adam; he put many wisdom's. But when he created Eve from Adam's Rib; she had LITTLE wisdom's. For IF she had great wisdom; she WOULD have said, "NO" to satan! And much more! End of Story, and I rest me case... ...In any case Kind Sir and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant, makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul. Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications of elder that he himself put forward. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings. But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus A full post on this is available. Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
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I am a female and after studying the word and being in the church I'm in now, I realized this is true. I don't feel angry and resentful. God knows what's best! 😊
Obedience is better than sacrifice. It's about respecting God's power structure. After all at the end of the day we will all be judged based off of scripture. There are many mysteries that we still don't know and may never know. But this is very clearly laid out
What a breath of fresh air to find this comment. It’s a beautiful thing to submit to God’s order. We all want to do what is right in our own eyes in many areas, but it hurts to see the divide between men and women in this issue.
Thanks for speaking up
@ericrichter7933, you're welcome. May God bless you.
@leonardvelasquez4162 Brother, it's clear you are either trying to be funny or cause some sort of division. She clearly stated after studying the word she realized the structural system that was laid out in creation and the church. I didn't see anything in regards to her saying she was a pastor.
@@CalebJefferson-jj1rr "I didn't see anything in regards to her saying she was a pastor."
You didn't see it because it wasn't there!
Very well explained (and I am a woman). This video also clarifies the unique and important work we need to do in our own role.
Yes there is so much need, it seems to me an issue of the flesh or spiritual warfare with the devil whispering in the ear distracting woman from a holy calling to lead women or children- are they not just as valuable to lead as men?? The bible even says elsewhere older women should train the younger woman. There is plenty of other work to be done!
Very true
Elder women can teach younger women how to keep their households and children well. Titus 2:4-5 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
And in teaching children, which include boys, they then raise godly, balanced, well rounded and mature men who will love and respect their wives, treat other ladies with honor and respect, and become strong and godly fathers of children (boys and girls) being taught by these godly women. The cycle goes on and on.
What about college ministries? Can a woman teach a mixed congregation if she’s not officially a pastor and she’s just teaching people at a college fellowship? Be honest, please.
It's not about men vs women. It's about both men and women humbling themselves in front of an Almighty God.
Sounds nice but not biblical. Must be the husband of one wife. Pastors are male. Follows the order of creation. Women are not to usurp authority over men. Being a pastor automatically expresses authority over people.
@@samuelgely4532 Well..well...in your haste to comment you totally missed what the OP is saying. Women that humble themselves before God will not want to be in the position of Pastor as, it is God's way for it not to be.
It's about women NOT SUBMITTING to the Word of God.
True, very true. After all why would Christians prevent someone anybody from sharing, preaching and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ? Only Satan would want to prevent that, and Satan can influence people to prevent others from sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ, including women who want to preach.
Oh lucky God has you to speak for him, perhaps you can rebuke God about the things he has wrong according to your superior inteligece 😂 you arent arrogant much! 🤦🏻♂️
I love this ministry because they pulled no punches on this subject & many others. Having integrity & a biblically consistent theology is not easy- but it matters. Bravo Got Questions Ministries! 👏
and yet the video conveniently forgot to mention 1 Corinthians 11:5. because that would complicate the argument they are trying to make
@@adburltv How would it?
@@aerong1130 because if women are not allowed to speak at all then why are they asked to cover their head while praying or prophesying, as those things require speaking. also, it's difficult to claim that prophesying is not "exercising authority". this verse is central to most of the arguments in favour of women being allowed to speak in church.
It was stated in the video that women are allowed to prophesy and pray. Watch the video again.
@@baloyishane3223 you are correct. However, it does not address the apparent contradiction between this statement and the interpretation of the passage in 1 Timothy 2 that it refers to all women not being allowed to speak in all churches.
I use this ministry a lot to help me understand. They have never led me wrong. So thankful for their keeping to the Word of God and also backing up what they believe by Scripture as we are supposed to do. A great ministry and right on the mark. So thankful .
Hi Carol, I'm glad we're like minded on backing up what we believe with scripture. That being said, are you aware that there isn't a single scripture of Jesus saying anything like "I am God," which is taught as fact in probably 80-90% (my guess) of the world's Christian churches?
@@charlestiraco8634 What? John 10:30 Jesus says "The Father and I are one."
@@slothrocket8540 Hello sloth. Do you believe it's possible that this scripture can mean more than one thing?
@@charlestiraco8634 What are you asserting it means other than Jesus and the Father are one?
@slothrocket8540 If I said there's no "I" in "team"... you wouldn't take that literally, right? Same thing here. A lot of the language in scripture is nuanced like this. Here's what Jesus is saying:
John 17:11 (AMP), talking about the disciples, "...Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which you have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are."
John 21-23 (AMP), still talking about the disciples, ""that they all may be one; just as you, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us..."
"... that they may be one, just as We are one..."
You get the picture.
Thank you Got Questions for teaching what the Bible clearly says in 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Culture conforming churches do not want clarity on this issue so they can do what they want instead of what God's Word says, but God has spoken and His message is clear.
Wait what message? Bible is clearly contradictory on almost all issues
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
@@arthurmarsch6211 Bible isnt contradictory at all. Only to those who clearly havent read it in full.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 context! Gal 3 is about salvation....not about qualifications for pastoral office! Without context you twist the meaning. Titus 1 clearly says...."husband of one wive". 1 Tim 2 is CLEAR and they are both about teachers
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 that's not about female pastors.....
I'm 65 years old and as a Christian that's read the Bible.A pretty good bit.I've always thought this way but I really appreciate how this was done, It was not done in a bad spirit but with loving kindness , Thank you for this lesson and my god bless 🙏
Christians need ask the question: Can God's biblical Word overrule your heart or the word of your culture?
Amen!
@@Praise___YaH So according to the scriptures that you claim to interpret, I have to be a MAN to serve the Lord.
Yes that is a good thought to ponder
Wokeness overrides the Bible sadly.
If a book written 2000 years ago and compiled by men, goes against equality, yes. The West has improved a lot in education, healthcare and rights since the separation of Church and State.
This is one of the most well covered explanations and answer to the "Can Women be Pastors" subject.
Very well said! Clearly and eloquently!
Beautifully put together!
Excellent teaching!!! The best I have heard so far! My sisters don't get upset with me. If you want to know what is true and acceptable to God, ask in all humility and the Holy Spirit will reveal it to you.
You don't have to ask, it's already been answered and written in His word.
I never knew a woman could not pastor a church. When women preach the gospel it always felt wrong in a big church that they own. Now I know why thank you for sharing.
Donelle
I post on this a lot.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
Women can have any valid position/title in our time.
Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center
it supports a two-tiered priesthood of believers.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood...
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired.
About 4 minutes to read it.
Neither can a man 'pastor a church'. This concept is alien to the NT church; we have a body of differently gifted people all growing together. We have overseers who help us by teaching, organizing, prompting pastoral care of each other...there is no 'one-man circus' in the NT at all. The NT documents show men and women together engaged in the life of the church, the gifts of the Spirit are not sex-differentiated. Our current habits have produced the lazy Christian in droves, not a group all studying the word and discussing it, testing our ideas against it like the Bereans.
@@user-iz8np3vv4ithere is a lot more biblical support for complementarianism than egalitarianism…
You should listen to Mike winger’s sermon series on this topic! He actually started as an egalitarian but after doing research he could not honestly believe it was biblical anymore. Egalitarian arguments just don’t hold water.
@@graysonrowe9780
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i Deborah was not a pastor but rather prophetic in her passing on divine words as she settled disputes as her role as a judge. She was a prophetess not a pastor. She is a great example of how God can you use a woman mightily through spiritual gifts that he has given us all.
Very solid teaching here! It confirms my convictions.☺️
MINE 2😍
So. is it solid teaching BECAUSE it confirms "your" convictions or because it is true to the text of Scripture as God has revealed His will for us?
@@rocketscientisttoo Hi David Benjamin. Thanks for the inquiry. These are convictions from the Holy Spirit that is present in me. That's what I meant. And I'm glad to be taught thru this video. :) But yes, it is true to Scripture.
thank you for making this video. It is very helpful.
Knowledge is really needed!!
Thanks
Wow, this was explained so wonderfully, thank you Got Questions ❤️🙏
Yeah start telling all these girls to quit preaching the gospel or else they are going to hell where there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth
@@user-mq8qp1ll5l Women preaching does not send them to hell. You are connecting dots that don't even exist!
Thank you “Got Questions” this helps me spread the gospel to family, friends, and neighbors whom I love dearly, and it helps me as well. May God continue to bless this ministry. 🙏🏽🙏🏼🙏
Thank you for tackling this topic. You did a good job.
1 Tim 2: 11-12 is not a matter of interpretation at all.
It is a matter of ignoring scriptures. I just left an SBC church that I thought was at least mostly conservative. Women started leading church services (women who weren't even members) and that caused me to start asking questions of the leading deacons and pastors. I found out the leadership is not at ALL conservative but far left. The leading pastor told me "I support (Creepy) Jo as long as he supports Godly principles." You can imagine my retort.
Needless to say that was the crux of the conversation and I told them to immediately remove my name from the member roll. Thank God I found a Godly church in 2 weeks.
You need to completely come out of mans church's for they are all corrupt . Go to the Bibles Church called the Body of Christ and just do as Jesus Christ told us. As He said , anyone who hears his Words and does them are his brothers , sisters and mother.
@@misha-elministries5246 - You cannot condemn all churches because most are corrupt. The Word does command us to assemble regardless of our opinions. I found a great church who preaches the Word hot. It's a Free Will Baptist church, very small but Godly.
@@redfaux74 The Body of Christ is the only Church . This Church is a Holy Priest Hood of which all are born again . I am glad it is Hot . If you would like to get even hotter just read the Word of God and do it. God Bless.
What church did you find? Sounds like you found a confessional Lutheran one (not ELCA)
@@Dilley_G45 I answered that above.
This could be the reason for so many divorces today. The woman wants the authority over her husband.
Wow. Great example. One study found that whoever is the bread winner is usually considered head, not gender. They also found that when a woman makes more money than her spouse (is superior) she no longer desires him. So yes, when woman attain this power or perceived power, it will most likely end in divorce. Obviously there are .ore factors involved but that is definitely true what you said
Absolutely. Even if they don't claim to want to rule over their husband, the "equal" to each other lie also creates divorce. Nowhere in the Bible is there allowance for arguments in the household. The man should seek his wife's counsel and get her input, as God can certainly speak through her, give her wisdom and additional insight he might lack, but that is not an opening for her to ARGUE her point or FIGHT for what SHE wants.
Men are predisposed to both defend and please women. Paul mentions this as a reason not to get married as the man's primary desire will be to please his wife as opposed to focus on the ministry and serve God. Also, what was Adam's sin? He listened to his wife(out of a desire to please her) and NOT the command of the Lord.
So the idea that women need to fight and argue with their husband or be trampled upon is absurd. But yet there is so much strife in Christian homes, not just worldly people's homes, because of this false teaching that the husband and wife are equal in their position in the marriage. Two headed creatures are always a gross mutation and of course never fair well, so it doesn't work in nature, or any organization, especially the home.
Even Jesus is subordinate to the Father, and ONLY did His Father's will, and He's perfect, so His own will would be perfect, yet he chose to be submissive and obedient to the Father's will.
Because as early as the beginning of time, woman’s desire is to rule over authority with man. See Genesis 3:16 when God instructed women to have their desire be under men’s, but nature of women is to do the opposite.
My experience is that the husband has vacated his responsibility and the wife fills the void
@@brenthair1228Exactly! Sadly. They shirk their responsibilities. They leave decisions for wives, do not be the spiritual leader in the home etc. I keep asking my ( Christian) husband to read us the Bible, pray, have daily devotions, take us to church and he refuses.
I LOVE this. Thank you so so much for sharing!
I don’t agree
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 but the Bible does
@@DrDoerk Read Galatians and acts (Bible)
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 when it says that their os no male or female in Christ, it is talking about inheritance.
You might not know this, but back in the day son's were the only ones that got inheritance, and daughters did not.
The verse you are referring to tells us that both brothers and sisters in Christ will share in his inheritance (a.k.a. the Kingdom of God).
Galatians has nothing to do with females being able to pastor a Church. You are miss reading the Bible, and putting your own beliefs into it.
When you read the Bible you shouldn't do it with any bias, or to make a point true that you already preconceived as true in your head.
Change your way of thinking to match God's word, don't change God's word to match your feelings.
Another virtuous post. Thank you.
Thank you so very much for this teaching!
I started something at my church today. A second in charge for our region in the denomination came to speak, after that we held a meeting of sorts to talk about the pastor stepping down (he wants to, not because of sin).
Everything was going pretty good until he asked if anyone held objections to women preaching, I was the only one who disagreed. It didn’t go down well, it hurt seeing that I hurt someone, but I can’t back down. Even if it means to be excommunicated from the gathering. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
Good for you that you listened to God and not women’s ego
My church occasionally has a woman do the pastoring. I do not like it.
@@SalsaSippin_ that’s because your conscience isn’t seared. It’s been explained multiple times in the New Testament that women aren’t supposed to hold that office
Sadly, my husband and I were given no option but to leave our church because we held to the view that scripture teaches that women are not to be pastors and hold this teaching authority over men. At first we thought we could continue in fellowship there by 'agreeing to disagree' on this issue but things were made clear when we raised an issue on false teaching being brought via the lady pastor. They would not countenance any questioning of the pastors leading and we were ' out of order', causing disunity and failing to display the fruit of the spirit. God has since brought us into fellowship at a Biblical church and we know without a doubt that God had his hand on us. We must pray for those 'trapped' in churches that practice error that the Lord gives them the courage to be Bereans and not be harmed by personal attacks coming from the leaders of such churches.
Hey so ten months out how did that work out?
Very well done!
It shouldn't be up for debate because the Bible is VERY clear. God has created men and women differently in their places and for a reason. If you break that created order that God has established, you break the Fifth Commandment. Men should not look like women and women not look like men. If a woman serves in a man's role, she dishonors her head. It is an even greater sin for a man to appear like an effeminate woman because he dishonors his Head, Christ.
amen
Do you believe that women can’t say anything in the church at all?
yep
@@rambo_4_christ7 They cannot teach men that sayeth the scriptures
@@kM-ij2ly you sure that’s the proper context?
Even Deborah the judge in the Old Testament was subject to the high priest, who was always a man. Consistently in the whole Bible, in each hierarchical echelon of ecclesiastical authority, there was always a man at the top. This is true for Deborah, Priscilla, and any other woman.
So you shall come to the Levitical priests OR the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do.
-excerpt Deuteronomy 17
After Deborah decided, that was it.
"Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict..."
Clearest explanation I have heard. Amen.
Crystal clear message.
Excellent teaching and very clear.
Strange coincidence that having female pastors is relatively a new phenomenon, as is feminism.
It's shameful.
And nations are dying.
In Judges there was a female Judge named Deborah who even led men into battle.
@@creyzi4j Deborah did not pastor a church. That is what God is referring to.
@@unclerhombus maybe not a church. But it was under the date/palm tree. Could you call that one?
VERY well done! ❤
1 Timothy 2:12
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
Feminists hate God and His Word. If they loved God they would obey Him.
verse 15 says women are saved through childbirth and only if they continue in faith, love, holiness and self-control. This contradicts John 3:16 Jesus' own words and Paul in Ephesians 2:8-10 and note he has introduced works - if they continue in. Is this God's word?
@@michaelicornelius 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
There are no contradictions in the Word of God. You are treating the Word of God like a Chinese Buffet. Taking a little here and a little from there to form your own theology.
There is such a thing as dead faith or believing in vain. This will not save you.
The Bible defines the Bible. When you see words like “the world “ you should do a word search in the King James Bible to see how it’s used throughout the whole book.
For instance Jesus also said:
John 17:9
“I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.”
King James Version (KJV)
There are 2 kinds of people. Children of God and children of the devil.
Children of God believe the Bible even if they don’t understand it. That is saving faith.
Children of the devil don’t believe the Bible. They say it isn’t true. They say it’s full of contradictions. They will burn in hell for all eternity gnashing their teeth.
What@@michaelicornelius
That was very clear and a great traching on the subject. Amen. ❤
Thank you for a very apt explanation about this, there's a lot of resistance in the church over this which is sad because it is man resisting the will of God. Let's humble ourselves before the Lord our God
This video explains this very well, this can be difficult to accept for there are some amazing women of God out there good speakers yet God has a plan and we have to follow it obedience to the Lord
I disagree
Which is why I don’t blindly follow Iron Age writings
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 Why?
@@arthurmarsch6211 Why?
Where in the Bible does Jesus himself proclaim that a woman can not preach?
Thank God for this ministry. Its vast amount of contents are biblical and easy to understand. I will continue to financially support and recommend this ministry to others.
And also tell every girl that preaches the word of God that she is going to hell. She has no business converting people to Jesus and causing people to repent and live holy
Beautifully explained, Thank you.
Beautifully explained & I agree totally 🙌🏾
I relocated about a year ago and have been shopping for a church, I didn't realize how many churches do have woman Pastors, the last 4 churches I have tried!! It was not on their website so I didn't know until I got there.
It's not about gender. Deborah was a Judge over Israel.
A Judge, according to scripture, was the most important
spiritual leader of that time period.
Good job, you'll find an obedient church soon. A church who takes the word of God seriously and doesn't try to use reasoning skills and false interpretations to veer away from scripture clear teaching
@user-iz8np3vv4i Actually, it is about gender, God created men and women differently and has given them different gifts and different roles. Who are we to question it.
@@lauraswanson6161
What God did regarding Deborah was His will. That
must be accepted. A teaching/doctrine that is against
what God actually did must be false.
I suggest my short essay on Deborah.
A Judge was a pastor, according to scripture.
A Judge could teach as he/she gave a verdict, according to scripture.
A Judge could judge homicide cases, according to scripture.
There was no way to alter or appeal a Judge's verdict, according to scripture.
I'd avoid any church with a 'pastor'. Find one with a community of serving elders who are humble, kind, knowledgeable, both men and woman (see Titus) and not lovers of money: check the cars they drive on that one! Find a church where all are encouraged to exercise and develop their gifts, where there is real teaching: you know with workbooks, readings (of related articles and papers), eager learning of Greek to read the NT it its first language.
The check on teaching is if young people get to college age and they know their Bible, the creeds and what they mean and can answer the 7 basic questions in ordinary conversational language: why do you believe in God? Why are you Christian? Why do you read the Bible? Did Christ rise from the dead? Why do you attend church? Why is there evil and suffering in the world? and Doesn't science disprove the Bible?
This is Awesome .
very well explained GOD bless you
Thank you so much.
I am a woman that does not believe women are to be pastors.
I applaud you for taking the word of God seriously, stay blessed sister
Better not say that to Joyce Myers
Your feelings and opinions don't matter. Scripture rules and your doctrine is false.
I am glad the bible explained it and we should follow the word of God AMEN.
Great video right here. This should forever put to rest the evil spirits in people that get triggered and take a non-Biblical argument on the subject matter while pretending it is OK biblically speaking for a women to pastor a church or teach/preach to men.
Totally, absolutely agree with this short video. I've learned NOT to argue with God and His inspired Word.
Amen! 🙏🏻
Was she really deceived when she was created after? Adam should have told her oh no, but he ate also.
Thanks... will use this as a study tool.
This is a fantastic presentation of this, thank you so much. God bless you! And thank you for being true to the Word.
BEST explanation i've heard on this teaching...i agree totally!!
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first then Eve; Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1st Timothy 2:11-14)
See my comment in chief above, but does this permit men to 'exercise authority' over women? I think not. Our authority is the word of God, and we handle it as the Bereans did: searching the scriptures, not to confirm our post Roman Catholic church culture, with a 'leader' instead of a community of servants, but to find where we must follow it and not our culture that deprecates the gifts of women if they don't match our cultural prejudices.
You say this with a weird tone. Eve was deceived and Adam ate too…so NO God does not give men permission to exercise authority over women. For BOTH men and women, the ONLY authority they submit to is the Word of God.
But Adam took part in eating the forbidden fruit. They both were punished along with the serpent.
Then how can she prophesy? Where is the teaching gift called pastor in the bible? Please use common sense.
Thank you Got Questions for standing up for Biblical Truth! We live in a time where churches are abandoning scripture
Thank you for explaining the roles of men and women in the church. Some preachers do not explain clearing why women are not allowed to preach but teach. I am every glad
came across this video.❤
To the women watching this, wanting to lead and teach:
1. Check your intentions (NOT your heart) to make sure it's what GOD wants you to do.
2. If you're not married, teach children in a Sunday school - you never know if those children have a Godly mother figure in their lives.
3. If you are married, teach and advise your husband. A Godly man will receive wise counsel from his wife and share it with a general congregation. After all, it's not your words or his words, it's the Holy Spirit's words.
4. If you are an older or widowed woman, teach younger women. There is so much need for Godly role models for young women.
"The harvest is ripe but the workers are few."
Wives don't teach and advise their husband's. The husband's teach their Wives and their children. He is the gate keeper.
@@bernhardtgerbrandt6021 Trust me...we God fearing wives do advise our husbands. They will listen to us, take into consideration what we say and as said, share should it be of sound doctrine. It's called a relationship not a dictatorship
@@bernhardtgerbrandt6021 In his video is, correctly, spoken about authority roles. Not about advising.
The harvest is ripe but the workers are few ?, wasn't Jesus referring and talking about reaching the lost in this verse, because the church didn't come into existence until pentecost.
@@theirmom4723 uh no one saying it's a dictatorship. But this poses a question, does that mean women can't give bad advice, I'm just asking.
I have something to point out a question rather...Paul said I forbid he didn't say God forbids. Could this be a preference of Paul or was this a command from The Lord. There were female Prophets. If a woman teaches and someone gets saved and have a true conversion is their conversion null. I'm not posing this question to cause division or an argument. I'm just provoking thought.
All scripture is inspired by the Spirit of God,whether is paul's suggestion or God's command. All of it is still God's word.
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Jesus said i will gather goats to left and sheeps to the right. All those he said depart from me,they did heal people,they did save people in the name of Jesus but they were not working for Jesus. I hope you answered.
: The bible was written by people who were carried by the Holy Spirit
If Paul wrote it, the Holy Spirit inspired him to
@@baloyishane3223 Paul also think people should stay single, should we do that?
No one gets saved because of the pastor or false pastor. The work is of the Holy Spirit. John 6:44
@@SiceloKhumalo-mx9fi
yes but only if you are to use your life for His ministry , paul said if you can stay away from all temptations and commit exclusively for ministry, you should do so , because a person who is unmarried has lots of time for the ministry
But if you are going to be tempted and swayed it is better to be married
Paul wanted men to be like him so the gospel could be spread near and far but not at the risk of committing adultery
also paul takes care to say this is his thinking
I must say I was pleasantly surprised by this video. It is spot on.
Thank you for explaining this so clearly. God’s order is perfect and I feel at peace when I follow His way.
Brilliantly explained .
Excellent and perfect precise Biblical explanation! Such simple and to the point answers to this important issue!
It's my prayer that this ' Eye Opening Message ' brings about a much-needed change, in the lives of so many women who have not realized the value and necessity to submit and surrender their bloated EGOS in obedience to the scriptural instructions, clearly and explicitly written in the WORD OF GOD!!
That beautiful song 'ALL TO JESUS, I SURRENDER, ALL TO HIM I FREELY GIVE'
confirms the believer's willingness to voluntarily surrender just EVERYTHING,
which includes one's bloated EGO!!
Once the Ego! goes, it will become natural for the child of God to live in obedience to the word of God!!
This will come true, when God's people humble themselves and in one accord, pray to our Father in Heaven!!
Our God says that, HE WILL answer the
prayers of His Children, when they truly
obey Him!! Heavenly Father, THY WILL BE DONE! Amen!
I noticed on the “Got Questions” iOS app, the video associated with this title says it “has been removed by the uploader.”
Also, the above video, here on RUclips, was uploaded only 3 weeks ago.
- Was there a change to this video?
- What up with the app video?
Very well explained amen.
One of the best examples I’ve ever read was “Roles”, also illustrated in the Godhead:
1) The Father’s role is to set the plan for salvation, sending the Son.
2) The Son’s role is to proclaim the Gospel and die for our sins completing the Father’s Plan.
3) The Holy Spirit’s role is that of calling us to God’s saving Grace.
Each member having equal value and importance (One God, three persons), yet each one playing a specific role. As such men and women have equal value, but in God’s perfect design have been assigned different roles.
No they haven't.
@@dagwould This was a beautiful comment. You're objection perhaps shows the gaps in your knowledge
Thank you for speaking the Truth.
Thank you.
Amen; the scriptures are quite clear on this matter.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
My wife and I have been having such a hard time finding a church. Almost all of them we’ve been to have some form of women amongst the pastoral staff. We can’t continue to attend them. If they’re so open about ignoring such a clear part of scripture, what else are they willing to ignore?
I suggest my short essay on Deborah. A Judge was
a pastor, according to scripture. Men and women are
perfectly equal spiritually.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i Debrah was not a part of the post Christ church, which is what 1 Timothy addresses. Men and women are absolutely created equal. Having different roles as commanded by the Bible doesn’t equal inequity. I highly suggest you read Paul’s letters again.
@@flightTime123 It's not about roles. It's about men
and women being perfectly equal spiritually. My short
post 'Complementarianism' is below.
Complementarianism
That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than
Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are.
The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding
certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can
they teach men. So why is that?
The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant
is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in
leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the
lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited
from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make
any sense.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower,
at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines
their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to
complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because
God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also
embrace her position in the lower tier.
A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women.
A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be
a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but
they aren't, but they are, when did that start?
But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.
-excerpt 1 Timothy 2
It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we
have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders
are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability
that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This
inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman
in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb.
So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because
an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not
sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the
spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i men an women can be created equal but have different design. Scripture is pretty supportive of that. And again, you’re still ignoring Paul’s letters.
@@flightTime123
Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God
actually did must be a false doctrine.
A Judge had the authority, in scripture, to execute
men for certain sins. If a man refused the verdict of a Judge on any matter, the penalty, according to scripture, was execution.
God ruled Israel through Deborah, since she was a Judge.
Taken from my essay:
A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time.
The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as
King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet.
God ruled Israel through the Judges.
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Also:
...since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
What if women recieve a word from God and feel led to share it? Not as pastors or as authoritative persons, are we allowed to speak publically or privately about the word God has given, even if men are present? The other day I felt led to speak to my dad about things, was it considered me taking authority over him to share it? Or what about if someone is a false prophet/ speaks untruthfully about the word? Are we not allowed to correct them? I understand we all have our own roles, and God is often in the quiet places, making it even more beautiful that women serve in silence, but in scenarios like I mentioned, what are we meant to do?
Women can very much talk and preach about the word of God just not in a preachers or a priests position. Spread the word of the lord to the ends of the earth
Paul says in corintheans that both men AND WOMEN can prophesy and even speak in toungues. So of course you can. But must follow same rules as men, meaning dont interrupt someone when they are prophesying, and dont speak in toungues unless you have an interpreter or if someone is already speaking in toungues. We must wait our turn.
I ain't going to be Happy or Free until Jesus comes back to Rule..do away with all these offices...Jesus is the Head of the Church....Jesus is the Bridegroom... Jesus is The True Shepherd/Pastor and owner of His Flock..not PreacherMan...he only protects and cares for himself and his wolf pack who in turn protect and cover up for him...Welcome to the Modern Day Church..it looks nothing like the Church in Paul's day...Today's Pastor in the Pulpit range from Misogynists to Drag Queens on the other end...I hope and plead every day For Jesus to come back and put right what has been going wrong since before Constantine took over the Church and established the Modern Day Church as we see it to day both Catholic and Protestant as well as Great/Mega and Small/Local...Follow Jesus not Mere Mortal Men...I don't care how high his office is on Earth...if it ain't Jesus I'm not going to Follow IT...'cause
Today's Preacher Man is anything but a REAL MAN...Jesus is a REAL MAN and O'SO MUCH MORE !
I BEG FOR JESUS TO COME BACK SOON SO THE WORLD AS WELL AS THE CHURCH CAN JUST SEE FOR ONCE IN THEIR LIFE WHAT A REAL MAN LOOKS LIKE....HE"S NEITHER A MISOGYNIST NOR A DRAG QUEEN...HE IS THE KING OF KINGS!! HE IS THE GOOD SHEPHERD...HE IS MY BEST FRIEND...HE HAS BECOME MY ONLY FRIEND ONLY HIM AND HIS WORD DO I PUT MY TRUST...THE MODERN DAY CHURCH IS NOTHING BUT THE WHORE OF BABYLON AND HER PIMP PREACHERMAN IS THE FALSE GOD BAAL/DAGON !
@@butterinacat I agree. The first people to proclaim that Jesus was risen were women. So obviously there is nothing wrong with evangelizing. The problem lies in women trying to teach and lead the body of Christ. That's not our place.
@@jananelson8556dear soul please be careful of your words and use kindness. Do not speak against the Lord's ministers for you will be held accountable for what you say that slanders and hurts others. Men in leadership are not misogynists. Although Jesus is the true Head, He did assign shepherds to feed His Flock so if you speak against them you are speaking against the Lord. Offices are put in place to help maintain order and authority in the church. However He is the true Head. He desires we be submissive to those who watch over our souls and not grieve them for we shall give an account to God for that
Thank you
Very good
Thank you got question ministry🙏❤
I got a question tho.🤔
What is it?
@@aran1162 Okay...so a friend brought up a question at the course of our Bible study yesterday.
She wants to know why Jesus cast out demons into pig's also knowing well that was someone's business. And what he meant when he said "let the dead bury their dead".
@@racheal8062 This is an excerpt taken from the“Got Questions” website.
“The Bible doesn’t explain to us Jesus’ reasoning, but displaying His sovereign power over demons could be one reason why Jesus sent them into the pigs. If the pigs’ owners were Jews, Jesus could have been rebuking them for violating Mosaic law which forbids Jews from eating or keeping unclean animals such as swine (Leviticus 11:7). If the swineherds were Gentiles, perhaps Jesus was using this miraculous event to show them the malice of evil spirits under whose influence they lived, as well as displaying His own power and authority over creation. In any case, the owners were so terrified to be in the presence of such spiritual power that they made no demand for restitution for the loss of their property and begged Jesus to leave the region.”
When it comes to the dead burying the dead, Jesus was referring to those who were spiritually dead, and have no interest in God.
@@Gloriagal78 Thank you very much
God bless you for me...
Psalms tells us that our God is in heaven; He does whatever he pleases.
@@racheal8062 You’re so very welcome, dear sister. May the Lord bless you also.
I know two women who serve as pastors to a church that has no permanent pastor. They are seeking one. But these two women are filled with the Holy Spirit, and they preach the gospel of the blood atonement of Christ, and people have been born again through their preaching, so how can that be wrong?
Either you believe The bible is the inspired word of God or it isn't. It's about God's order not man's feelings.
So, they're "filled with the Holy Spirit" while acting in rebellion to the word?? The Holy Spirit agrees with the word. He doesn't oppose it.
The spirit of rebellion can also fill a person. And pride feels wonderful. The only way to test a spirit is by the WORD.
@johndodson8464 thank you! My thoughts exactly. GOD'S WORD ISN'T FOR WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT!
@@josephbreaux2668
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant,
with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would
strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant,
makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul.
Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications
of elder that he himself put forward.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one
MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in
Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings.
But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus.
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
A full post on this is available. Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
Very well explained!😀
Excellent Biblical teaching on this subject.
Amen God design for the church and family Jesus is coming soon
So if Jesus comes soon do you think the woman is sining by serving God? Women preachers helped me allot on my walk with Christ.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 To answer your question, *yes.* If someone willfully goes against the words of God recorded in the Bible, then they are not truly obeying God.
Women CAN be helpful in many ways and serve many roles. God created women for this reason: "Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him *a helper* fit for him.” God wanted men to have wives and not be alone, however, some people can remain single as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 7:8. Women, specifically wives, MUST submit to their husbands: "Wives, *submit to your own husbands,* as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:22-23) Truly, Jesus Christ is our true role model "Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." (Hebrews 12:2)
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 you should read Wesley's response.
1. How many number of versions of Bibles have been created till date ??
2. Can someone post reference Link about different versions of Bibles.
3. Can someone list combos of
Christian denomination - Bible version used
The different 'versions' are different translations from the same early manuscripts. They differ in style of language, national readership (so British and US translators differ), and 'tone' desired. Some are for simpler readers, others for more skilled readers. I hope you are not falling into the 'trap' of thinking the different 'versions' are different texts teaching different things.
If the bible dose'nt include what Paul said concerning this (inspired by the holy sprit) then it's a problem.
Absolutely true I agree
very timely.
Thank you for this study! Yes, this topic is a very heated debate, but there must be some black/white answers to this.
Judges 4 and 5.
An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender.
Mike Winger is doing an exhaustive series on women in ministry currently. Would highly recommend a listen if you’re interested in learning more about what the Bible teaches on this subject!
I'm watching his series right now!
It's great!
He is very Biblical in the series!
Mike winger misses the overarching theme throughout scripture.
Even comparing contexts, it seems to me that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 bears generally the same meaning and reasoning, even if it doesn't mention the reason in as many words.
Well done! One aspect that is often neglected is that the Biblical role of elder/pastor is misunderstood and is really the core issue.
Women in the Bible with ministerial calling:
Apostle Junia (Romans 16:7)
Prophetess Deborah (Judges 4:4-5)
Prophetess Miriam "Mary" (Exodus 15:20)
Prophetess Huldah (2 Chronicles 34:21-22)
Prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36-37)
Pastor Priscilla (1 Corinthians 16:19)
Deacon Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2)
Yet, somehow, people still assume women cannot be Pastors. There's five clear examples of women holding a role of higher authority than a Pastor and another who was a Pastor in the Bible. What? You just skip over that when reading the Bible?
each of these can be broken down to show they're still not approved...
Romans, for example, simply says she was well regarded among the Apostles, not that she was an apostle.. They knew her and she had a high reputation..
Deborah was only given power because the men in the nation at that time were weak and not obeying God. It was a very bad time for Israel. Had any other man been worthy he would have been selected.
We can continue down through scripture in FULL context and see they're not Pastors, etc..
@@ryanbussell24 Never did I state they're all pastors. Moreover, how far do you go to twist Scripture to accommodate your belief?
Regarding Junia, I understand the debate for there is not much detail written about her; yet, the rest of the women with ministerial calling have a full account on their story and that's not even discussing all women used such as Sara, Rebecca, Leah, Rachel, Ruth, Queen Esther, Mary, Joanna and Mary Magdalene, etc.
Many men were called in times when Israel was in great rebellion. Do they not count? Have you read not about the Prophet Samuel, the Prophet Jeremiah or men like Jonah and Hosea? Which of the Prophets were called because men were great and obedience was flourishing? On the contrary! Yet, you state women like the Prophetess Deborah were not legitimate b/c men were weak and rebellious; despite the fact, that through HER, God called a man to liberate Israel from Canaan. So, were there men to be used or not? God still called Barak. Even so, Israel's sin was not as terrible until the time of the kings and the Prophets then, that we know of, were men such as the Prophet Isaiah and the Prophet Amos - do they not count since Israel was way worse in comparison to the time of the Judges? Which, none of these male Prophets held such role for the King of Israel and Judah were the ones who judged cases and made rulings. Only a woman, Deborah, was elected by God to be both a Prophetess AND a Judge. What? Did God make an error?
Go down the list, and actually read, how God used these women as He does with any man He calls. The glory is not of the vessel, but of Him who fills it, be it man or woman. Don't change Scripture, simply b/c YOU find fault or error in what God has done, does and will always do for HIS glory and not mankind's. If you wish, continue down the list - considering the full context of the female vessel used by God. Truly, I'm curious to hear how far people go to change Scripture. Men are called to be Pastors, such as women, yet I've given a list of women with most having a higher role of authority than ANY male pastor. How so? The Bible has the answer, but so many DON'T understand, which is why His people perish from lack of understanding.
@@Man.of.God30 I don't need to twist scripture.. I can clearly read 1 Corinthians 11 and 14. I can read 1 timothy 2. Titus 1 and 2.
And we could go into a LOT of differences.. New Covenant vs Old Covenant. The NT church has different rules than the OT.. This could easily eliminate Deborah, Rachel, Ruth, Esther, etc.
A judge is not a pastor. Paul also never says a woman can't speak in prophesy.
God selected Deborah at that time because there were absolutely no other options available. He had options with Samuel and Jeremiah, etc. In having to select Deborah there were no other options. Zero. But Deborah still had to answer to a man.
Even if she didn't, one exception doesn't invalidate the rule. Especially if God makes that exception.
God absolutely can and does use women to do many things. No one is arguing they can't lead other women or children.
But they are clearly, multiple times forbidden from having pastoral leads over men. You can't be the husband of one wife if you're a female.
You can't ignore 1 timothy 2:12-15.
God can and will use women to do great things. But they do not and can not meet the qualifications listed in the NT to be pastors over a church.
@@ryanbussell24 I'll restate it for a third time: not all of them were pastors. A Prophet does not equate a Pastor - different ministry (same with being a Judge. Theyre different). Yet, one has a higher spiritual authority than the other. Its written: "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." (1 Corinthians 12:28).
Paul never said that a woman ought not to lead, teach or speak in a congregation. If that were true, than the Prophetess Miriam who, alongside her two brothers, was used to lead Israel out of Egyptian slavery, the Prophetess Huldah who taught the High Priest, other priests and King of Judah the Law of God, and the Prophetess Anna who spoke to the congregation about Christ would all have been in the wrong. However, they were not, for it was the Spirit of God in them that operated and moved. What Paul explained, which he didn't invent, was in accordance with what God established from the time of Adam and Eve after their transgression. That a woman, NOT women, would submit to HER husband, NOT the entire male sex, in and out of the Church. This does not include nor obligate the Spirit of God to not teach, administer or manifest His glory through the use of women. Since when does the flesh, or physical male form supercedes the will of God in the Church? It does not.
Sincere question: from where do you derive and subsequently conclude that God did not have a choice but to use Deborah? It makes ZERO sense. But, HOW and WHY do you believe that? On the other hand, not even concerning women, does God NEED men to operate? If there was such a rule, than it was made as an "exception" many times (revisit the my initial list mentioned). There's isn't such a rule, thus I state that you're twisting Scripture. You even contradict yourself because you say they're allowed to prophesize, but then state they cannot speak?? Which is it? Yes or no? The Word of God doesn't contradict itself. You're twisting it, hence the contradiction on your part.
Obviously, the husband of one wife would include the female equivalent: a wife of one husband. If we go down that debate than only Adam was kicked out of Eden b/c Scripture ONLY states that man was kicked out. As well as lust, it'd exclude women since it only reads that men should not lust after women. We can't pick and choose when one part means one thing and another means another. The Bible was made for the teaching, instruction and blessing of both men and women. For when we come to Christ, He abides in us and it isn't the physical form that moves in the supernatural but His Spirit in us, be it man or woman. This is spiritually discerned. So, yes, women, just as men, can also be pastors. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:27-28).
Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it. Things such as the burnt offerings and being stoned to death, etc. no longer apply. But, where does the Law change in regards to women and men in regards to their sex or societal role? It didn't. God still uses both men and women for all callings in ministry and married women still have to submit to her husband. What change are you referring that, you believe, occurred?
NICE!! 👌🏾🙌🏾
I always go to 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9 on the subject of pastoral (and deacon) qualifications. "The Husband of one wife" v1 of 1 Timothy 3:1. says it all.
It says that women who are in ministry and men who are in ministry must be under authority, that’s your answer, according to Scripture.
This is why I don't follow organized religion. Too many 'traditions of men' involved. I trust the Voice of God, His Holy Spirit. The Bible says that before Jesus's return young men AND women will prophecy and see visions.
Thank you. God bless you 🙏🏼🕊
If you trust the voice of God then you would be trusting the Bible. Heb 1:1 and 2 Tim 3:16.
so you want to follow your heart and the sins of this world instead of trusting God's word
Glad you mentioned original sin ~ for if it is said that Adam (Man) came before Eve (Life), and Eve means "before an event occurs", then which came first, my friend, the atom or the eve?
Believe what you will ~ exoneration does not grant immunity from liability, ask any Justice of the Peace.
God Bless ~ Much Love ~ Stay Safe
Adam named his help mate Eve because as he said she was the mother of all. I dont know what google search you pulled that out of but you need to get you a 1611 King James and study
The topic of women's ordination has been a matter of debate in different religious organizations for many centuries. Evidence from history indicates that in ancient societies, there were respected lineages of female priests. However, as Catholicism gained prominence, it became evident that the priesthood became a source of power and wealth accumulation. As a result, only men were allowed to hold the role of priesthood. It is important to mention that during the time when Jesus Christ lived two thousand years ago, he treated both men and women equally.
This is the best explanation I have ever heard. God bless you man. I give God the glory.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Reply for it if desired.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
That is how a woman could judge
men of their sins, including homicide.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
Thank you for your stand on this truth. It is unfortunate that there are so many rebellious women who call themselves Christian but are indoctrinated by feminism. 1 Samuel 15:23 NKJV
[23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. / REBELLION is idolatry because a rebellious person sets their opinion or desire above the word of God. Therefore they set up themselves above God. They Idolize their own desires and wants above Gods word.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; [4] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
If we are talking about the modern, western office of pastor, is there anything specifically in the Bible relating to women? We do take certain renderings and interpretations of scripture and apply them to women today but that's different.
Paul has A LOT to say about women. My question is what did Jesus say?
To say Jesus was ok with a woman being a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, but Jesus would be strongly opposed to a woman being an elder in a small church in the New, makes no sense. This is all Paul. Paul had a number of false, contradictory and confusing teachings. He was very much a man of his time and his pride.
I've looked at several of Paul's teachings, should you want a study. He doesn't come out well.
Sadly the church today does not follow what Paul wrote in 1 Timothy.
Didn’t the Bible say judge not less ye be judged?
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 Didn't Jesus also say to judge righteous judgement? Judge not lest ye be judged is not a warning to not judge but a warning to judge correctly because of the severity of judging wrongly.
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 the Bible never said judge not, it says "judge not lest ye be judge" based on the golden rule, stop haft quoted scripture, Jesus himself said "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge 👉righteous judgment."
John 7:24 KJV
The same Jesus who said "judge not lest ye be judge."
@@justinbrentwood1299 exactly he/she just putting emphasis on the judge not and leaving out the rest.
@@qfranklin2777 Knowing the Bible is not going to get you to heaven. Satan knows the Bible more than you do.
So what if there is no man to stand up and take the position of the pastor and there is a qualified Deaconess to fill in until a man is found to fill the position. Is that church to close it’s doors or allow the deaconess to fill in until a man is found
I would wait.. Its not about what you want its about what God wants and to listen, obey and serve him. For he has Blessed you.
If a man and woman are stranded on an island and the man is a sinner, according to some of these people, she would have to wait 20 years until they could be rescued so that another man could teach him about Christ. SMH. If they could only hear themselves.
@@Omatimestwo You’re showing frustration because someone is voicing his obedience to Gods plan, it’s not about our opinions, the only thing that matters is what was Gods plan. When you go against Gods plan you are following your plan over Gods. My question to you is do you believe your plan is better than Gods?
Peace be unto you. Brothers and sisters, it is written "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
1 Corinthians 14:40
King James Version
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
1 Corinthians 14:33-34
King James Version
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
Can we address the Greek word for Authority in this verse?
(Sorry for the VERY, VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be espoused)
Your title has...is debates from many Centuries! And, in these 3 verses in the Bibles":
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall "rule over thee".
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
Now this: Jacob had 12 Sons; That God made 12 Israelite Tribes. Why didn't God use Dinah? Later, Jesus chose 12 male Disciples. Why didn't Jesus chose several female Disciples?
There are NO female books writers, in the Bible. Why? And that is 66, mostly long books now. But earlier, it had 80 books. Still written by ALL males. Why?
Ans God made King Solomon; the greatest "wisdomed" person ever. And Jesus made St Paul THE greatest wisdomed. 2nd ONLY to Solomon. Thus...I believe this: When God created Adam; he put many wisdom's. But when he created Eve from Adam's Rib; she had LITTLE wisdom's.
For IF she had great wisdom; she WOULD have said, "NO" to satan! And much more! End of Story, and I rest me case...
...In any case Kind Sir and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant,
with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would
strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant,
makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul.
Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications
of elder that he himself put forward.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one
MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in
Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings.
But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus.
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
A full post on this is available. Be careful of the teachings of Paul.