The "Melee" of Competitive Pokemon.

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  • Опубликовано: 14 авг 2023
  • Gen 3 Competitive Singles is, in my eyes, the peak of Competitive Pokemon. Much like the popular eSport "Super Smash Brothers Melee", this 20+ year old game has a dedicated community that prefer it over the newer titles in the franchise, due to it's unique mechanics and balanced Competitive metagame.
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  • @jimothycool
    @jimothycool  11 месяцев назад +35

    Gen 3 OU Tier List - August 2023
    ruclips.net/video/y1XMocSzkjs/видео.html

  • @DkKobaADV
    @DkKobaADV 11 месяцев назад +1009

    Yeah i wavedashed my ttar into my opponents defensive swampert then hit them with a charged rock slide

    • @lulu82o
      @lulu82o 11 месяцев назад +124

      Careful, bc rock slide is -8 on shield after L-cancel and swampert has a frame 6 out-of-shield option in the form of upB hydro pump

    • @playstationarusu
      @playstationarusu 11 месяцев назад +16

      Got a chuckle out of me

    • @markosmywords9202
      @markosmywords9202 11 месяцев назад +9

      @@lulu82oi have no idea what this means lmao

    • @cryochick9044
      @cryochick9044 11 месяцев назад +1

      Celeste enjoyer?

    • @tales9342
      @tales9342 11 месяцев назад +52

      Did he just walk up slowly and Hidden Power Grass?!?!??!?!?!

  • @SirToastyToes
    @SirToastyToes 11 месяцев назад +130

    The Gen 3 VGC circuit was wild, the Pokemon Rocks America tour ended with a tournament in New York City commentated by Hulk Hogan. All Pokemon were legal except Wobbuffet meaning the two finalists were using Groudon, Kyogre and Mewtwo

    • @shevankaseneviratne1724
      @shevankaseneviratne1724 11 месяцев назад +10

      Is there a video of this on RUclips? Sounds amazing

    • @SirToastyToes
      @SirToastyToes 11 месяцев назад

      @shevankaseneviratne1724 ruclips.net/video/c7nVChlTVl8/видео.html&ab_channel=NickHarperPkm

    • @LRXC1
      @LRXC1 11 месяцев назад +8

      Yes! There is lots of ADV VGC content on RUclips, I don’t believe any raw footage of that moment of the event exists though. I could be wrong

    • @corazonfeathers8116
      @corazonfeathers8116 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@LRXC1there actually is! A channel uploaded information about the PCNY and stuff, I think it's im a blissy?

  • @dastardlydwarf6909
    @dastardlydwarf6909 11 месяцев назад +497

    Gen 3 is the goat and the community is amazing! I recommend it to anyone. Thank god showdown and smogon preserve old generations meta games.

    • @IdentifiantE.S
      @IdentifiantE.S 11 месяцев назад +11

      Its a good love letter to the Gen3 !

    • @Aex89
      @Aex89 11 месяцев назад +12

      People don't appreciate the gem that is gen 3

    • @Aex89
      @Aex89 11 месяцев назад +12

      @@viewer6152 okay chill out man, I wasn't making a deep statement, I just wanted to say that I don't see gen 3 getting as appreciated as 4,7 or 5. Nothing more than that , haha. But I still agree with your comment, MOST (95%) Pokémon games have been great but it just needs time to get the appreciation it deserves. But again those are just a portion of the community, either the manchilds that hate the old gens for no reason or the crybabies that hate on new games out of bandwagon. Happens a lot.

    • @noysam3570
      @noysam3570 11 месяцев назад +4

      the current gen wave is harsh lmao

    • @SR64.
      @SR64. 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Aex89what are you talking about emerald is still widely considered the best pokemon game

  • @santiagoacosta3372
    @santiagoacosta3372 11 месяцев назад +142

    This video is a beautiful love letter to the gen 3 competitive scene

  • @Mijzelffan
    @Mijzelffan 11 месяцев назад +452

    most people focus on the physical/special split, but I'm glad you mentioned the lack of risk free powerful moves that gen 4 introduced. Choosing between focus punch and brick break or between giga drain and solarbeam makes movesets more diverse than just slapping on close combat on everything

    • @bluegum6438
      @bluegum6438 11 месяцев назад +65

      The lack of physical special split is not bad, just different. I actually prefer it, it made movepool choices more strategic instead of always picking STAB
      Oh and mixed attackers were reasonably common which is extremely rare now

    • @JesterQueenAnne
      @JesterQueenAnne 11 месяцев назад +25

      ​@@bluegum6438I wouldn't mind the split so much if it wasn't for Dark and and Ghost seemingly having classes switched. Just the thought of Dark being special and Ghost being physical makes me not want to even try.

    • @bluegum6438
      @bluegum6438 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@JesterQueenAnne I personally think it makes sense. As I'm sure you know the only Ghost type move was Lick yadda yadda, and Dark is drawing power from malice, which is kind of "energy" rather than a physical force. A lot of Dark moves involve physical contact, but the stat that powers the damage inflicted is Special. Like an INT infusion in DS.

    • @udonnauchegbu2018
      @udonnauchegbu2018 11 месяцев назад +21

      ​@@bluegum6438I think another reason why it should've been switched was the fact that a lot of dark types back then couldn't take advantage of their higher physical attack stat. You also have Gengar who has two types that were physical even though he was more of a special attacker.

    • @enn1924
      @enn1924 11 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@udonnauchegbu2018that turned gengar into more of a support mon, and ttar is already the best pokemon on the tier so pursuit being special makes it less spammable on physical sets, plus it gives houndoom a niche for being the pursuiter with the highest special attack
      I agree that it is a good change on modern gens and it only works on adv because the power level is way more balanced without braindead risk free moves or every wall having access to roost or recover and immunity to passive damage (I can't speak for gen 1 and 2 because I don't play those tiers)

  • @joelkilchoer4238
    @joelkilchoer4238 11 месяцев назад +46

    Understood. I am going to go make my first gen 3 team with Misdreavus, Roselia, and Sableye as the core

    • @nickel7o740
      @nickel7o740 3 месяца назад

      Reading this is making me wonder how to fit Mawile, Cradily and Chimecho into a semi-competitive team just because I like them.

  • @AaronTats
    @AaronTats 11 месяцев назад +28

    ADV: Melee
    Gen 5: Brawl
    Gen 7: Smash 4
    Nat Dex: Ultimate

    • @crocworks
      @crocworks 11 месяцев назад +11

      Gen 1: Smash 64

    • @fatyoshi696
      @fatyoshi696 11 месяцев назад +6

      Hackmons: rivals of aether workshop

  • @totalphantasm
    @totalphantasm 11 месяцев назад +84

    Your cresselia video in particular really gave me a new perspective on what makes a meta fun. The idea that it’s not about “as many things being usable all at once” but the combination of “types” of play that are possible and the ability for the meta to *change* are most important. The vibe matters

    • @drdca8263
      @drdca8263 11 месяцев назад +9

      This kind of thought leads me to wonder whether there is a nice way to mathematically formalize the thing you said about the meta having a tendency to change over time.
      I saw a paper a while back, which gave one possible formalization of a notion of a game having like, a high skill ceiling, or something like that (I forget the exact details)
      where they talked about the space of strategies for the game having like, many “layers” of cycles, where like, within any particular level, there is a kind of rock-paper-scissors type thing going on, with nothing in the level having a clear advantage over everything else in the same level,
      but where strategies in the next level up will tend to beat strategies in the level below them.
      I think the idea with that was that there would be a linear order on the levels, where better players play strategies at higher levels.
      But, if we want to describe a meta changing over time, rather than just “skill level”, maybe the idea should be modified so that there may be multiple possible incomparable “levels” “above” a given level?
      I suppose we could think of things like, maybe “levels” consist of a distribution over some subset of possible strategies that is (approximately?) a Nash equilibrium when strategies are restricted to that subset, but where some other distribution over some other subset of possible strategies, has a clear advantage over the first one,
      and, where there is a long network of such distributions, where the number of deterministic strategies each distribution is over, is required to be bounded in size to be something small compared to the total number of possible deterministic strategies,
      and where I guess maybe require of the “levels” that no deterministic strategy dominates it?
      And like, if we want to talk about how long the meta can keep changing, that could be depicted/represented/approximated by something about how big the digraph of “this level can become (i.e. is-beaten-by) this level” is, where “how big” is about how long the non-extendable paths in it are.
      Potentially these paths could have loops. If these loops were too tight, I imagine that instead of the community going around in that cycle, would instead move to an average of the places in that cycle, and so wouldn’t really make an active meta. But, longer loops, that seems like something that could happen.
      But, how to make this more precise? I’m not sure.

    • @jakedewey3686
      @jakedewey3686 11 месяцев назад

      @@drdca8263 Read about Nash equilibriums

    • @drdca8263
      @drdca8263 11 месяцев назад

      @@jakedewey3686 I did mention Nash equilibria in my comment?

  • @honjon666
    @honjon666 11 месяцев назад +70

    You know Jim is serious about ADV when the outro music is the og Verdanturf theme. The subversion of expectations in this moment deserves an oscar nomination.

    • @playstationarusu
      @playstationarusu 11 месяцев назад +5

      The outro hit different, cause of Jim's spitting

    • @MacAnters
      @MacAnters 11 месяцев назад +1

      Do you know, perchance, what that rap version is called?

    • @honjon666
      @honjon666 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@MacAnters
      You'll Goin Magneton? Hidden Power Ground Bich
      ruclips.net/video/hVnVyu9K02A/видео.html
      I believe it was one of Viper's songs Jim remixed with Verdanturf theme

    • @MacAnters
      @MacAnters 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@honjon666 Amazing! Thanks a lot!

  • @alexanderspassov4759
    @alexanderspassov4759 11 месяцев назад +165

    Part of the reason I always tune in and stay subbed to Jimothys channel is for the insights on ADV OU. I mainly play Draft League since Gen 7 and I have no idea what a metagame would look like without, rocks, scald, high bp knock off, regen and set up sweepers that need 1 turn to win a game.

    • @ScaryShadow818
      @ScaryShadow818 11 месяцев назад +5

      We still got setup sweepers who only need one turn haha

    • @melikmourali2072
      @melikmourali2072 11 месяцев назад +3

      Yeah but it's in the end of the game to clean up, with a lot of preparation. In gen 7, you send Drizzle Pelipper turn 1, U-turn into Mega Swampert /Ash Greninja and it's gg for most teams :/

    • @LRXC1
      @LRXC1 11 месяцев назад

      You should try ADV draft league!

    • @ultimaterecoil1136
      @ultimaterecoil1136 11 месяцев назад

      @@melikmourali2072no no no you don’t lead peliper on mega swampert rain then sand is up because peliper is too fast to have the rain go up second. You lead a pivot ( probably zapdos) pivot into peliper then uturn into mega swampert. Nat dex rain makes it especially easy cuz you can lead mega swampert.

  • @Evan20000
    @Evan20000 11 месяцев назад +19

    I was a small kid who just finished beating the stadium games with rentals when I discovered Netbattle back in the ADV days and never looked back. Gen 3 singles has so many good memories to me. Gen 3 ubers is also the point where Ubers stopped being just a banlist and became a legitimate tier too in my eyes.

  • @tannerhagen3881
    @tannerhagen3881 10 месяцев назад +5

    The lack of Stealth Rock is also great. In gen 3 you can build a team without spikes, but in later gens Stealth Rock is centralizing the entire metagame which sucks

  • @13luken
    @13luken 11 месяцев назад +40

    Can't wait to see more gen 3 on here. I think a Gen 3 for beginners series/video would be super helpful, because I've opened up the Gen 3 OU teambuilder before because of your videos but it's so intimidating with how different everything is!

  • @brett1908
    @brett1908 11 месяцев назад +6

    Melee and gen 3 are the two competitive meta games that are so nuanced that they’re still alive to this day, melee with its micro spacing and many other techs, and Gen 3 ou with such specific EV spreads and “bad” Pokémon having strong uses being found still, they both constantly innovate even 2 decades later and don’t stay the same even without the presence of patches, it’s sorta like “natural patching” to me.

  • @Aoi_Tori_
    @Aoi_Tori_ 11 месяцев назад +37

    I like the videos when you make Melee comparisons Mr. Cool

  • @May-hem
    @May-hem 11 месяцев назад +13

    It still baffles me you only have 30k subscribers when your content is genuinely great.
    The iron mugulis narrative was a masterstroke and even my bf listens with me now because he finds those little sections so entertaining.

  • @Iamthe2G
    @Iamthe2G 6 месяцев назад +2

    Welp, I'm one of those who couldn't give ADV a try before because of the lack of physical/special split of moves, lack of item choice, lesser amount of Pokemon, etc. But one day, someone named Jimothy Cool showed up in my Yt video suggestions, and after a few days, I decided to watch one of the videos. Now ADV is probably my second favourite meta to play in, only behind gen 7, all thanks to Jim. So Jim, thank you so much for making your love for ADV something others can enjoy, and you can count on me to support the future successor of the Callous Invitational tournament in any way I can

  • @AevitosTrath
    @AevitosTrath 11 месяцев назад +8

    You play Gen. 3 because of everything you are saying in the video. I play Gen three because Dodrio and Camerupt have a niche. We are not the same

    • @richyroa
      @richyroa Месяц назад

      What's camerupt niche?

  • @GLamb3895
    @GLamb3895 11 месяцев назад +16

    This video was excellent. I've been down a retro format rabbit hole of Yugioh and pokemon cards, and this has added the games to that list as well. I find it interesting that stuff like Melee, Gen3 and the other popular retro formats of card games and video games were all around the same time period

    • @Lucrei.
      @Lucrei. 11 месяцев назад +3

      Less corporational oversight I'd guess

  • @GHeinz
    @GHeinz 11 месяцев назад +8

    0:48 i knew jim was a falcon main

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  11 месяцев назад +3

      I used to play Peach actually. I was very bad

  • @bananaspice1967
    @bananaspice1967 11 месяцев назад +26

    Just started out with some gen 3 OU battles, and I have to say it's a lot of fun. Even if I'm losing most games, I'm learning from what I see and changing my team and strats accordingly. Been a lot of fun so far, and I hope to see myself in a tournament one day.

    • @krumplin8992
      @krumplin8992 11 месяцев назад +2

      I had a similar experience too. I feel that low ladder gen 3 has a much higher concentration of good players than any other meta

    • @shiningjoot6369
      @shiningjoot6369 11 месяцев назад +3

      This story has a better plot then most Netflix original series

    • @jasonberezowski2869
      @jasonberezowski2869 11 месяцев назад

      Sit in the chat rooms and you'll find.just for fun ADV tournaments hosted regularly. I'm terrible at competitive pokemon but ADV ou is so interesting that I just keep playing

  • @MelodyTCG
    @MelodyTCG 11 месяцев назад +2

    Gen 3 ou made me appreciate how pokemon were designed in earlier gens
    No physical special split meant there were a lot of mixed attackers for example

  • @BiffTheBanana
    @BiffTheBanana 11 месяцев назад +13

    Man I'm loving all this gen 3 content, it's really cool to see you continue to push it like this

  • @hiwrenhere
    @hiwrenhere 10 месяцев назад +2

    This video felt quite heartfelt in a way other videos didn't. This isn't to say your other videos lack heart, it's just that to me it seemed that the topic here was something you get real genuinely excited about and can talk about at length!

  • @TheMathmath123
    @TheMathmath123 11 месяцев назад +8

    Guys , I'm not sure but I have a sneaking suspicion he likes gen 3 OU

  • @tictacctical3030
    @tictacctical3030 11 месяцев назад +194

    If adv ou is the melee of competitive Pokémon what’s brawl 🧐? Probably bw honestly

  • @SnackMuay
    @SnackMuay 11 месяцев назад +2

    Yugioh has one of these “lightning in a bottle” formats too. It’s called Edison Format, and it’s the metagame of April 2010.

  • @robthenostalgia1592
    @robthenostalgia1592 11 месяцев назад +4

    I started watching this channel for the gen 3 OU content. Gen 3 ou is the most beautiful format for competitive singles I have ever seen and as a melee player since 2015 this is truely the melee of competitive singles. Hopefully this video sparks awareness of the wonders of Gen 3 OU and that more people play not only it but Hoenn Gaiden as well, KEEP IT GOING JIM

  • @Ludvix
    @Ludvix 10 месяцев назад +3

    Love it when I get a video that hits 2 of my super niche interests

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks Ludvix. Love your vids!

  • @Clockwork_Enby
    @Clockwork_Enby 11 месяцев назад +39

    THIS IS THE GREATEST CROSS OVER OF ALL TIME
    Comp Pokémon and the melee community will always have solidarity ❤ lots of us play both melee and showdown :)

    • @alLEDP
      @alLEDP 11 месяцев назад +8

      E.g. not showering?

    • @maagic2031
      @maagic2031 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@alLEDP wow this joke gets funnier every time it is said

    • @skycrimestv7165
      @skycrimestv7165 11 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@alLEDPspeaking as a melee player its always the newer generation players that smell like shit lmao

    • @marcus6918
      @marcus6918 11 месяцев назад

      @@skycrimestv7165the melee community always smelled like shit

    • @Sonicfan640
      @Sonicfan640 11 месяцев назад +2

      Yikes, that sounds terrible and frightening.

  • @ohno5559
    @ohno5559 5 месяцев назад +2

    I think there's something to be said for a lack of options in general. Players don't like their options constrained in competitive games, but it can lead to greater creativity and diversity. Fewer legal options can paradoxically lead to more viable options, because it forces people to use strategies they otherwise wouldn't.

  • @LorenzotheKind
    @LorenzotheKind 11 месяцев назад +5

    As a former active member of the Melee community, I appreciate this take. The values align. Community first, organic competitive environment and embracing progress of the meta. And two fingers to Nintendo 🤭

  • @funkymachine
    @funkymachine 11 месяцев назад +4

    Tyranitar the goat being the fox is such a good representation of old gens

  • @reen6022
    @reen6022 11 месяцев назад +1

    your gen 3 videos are what got me into gen 3 ou, and not only is it now my favorite ou metagame, but it has also helped me appreciate certain pokemon i like to use in the tier, such as metagross, hariyama and dusclops

  • @cookiesversuscream
    @cookiesversuscream 11 месяцев назад +5

    I think there's something to be said for how creative pursuits (or hell, any pursuit in life) are the most fulfilling and "optimal" in tandem with some sort of limitation, because the presence of that limitation is what necessitates the creativity to be used meaningfully such that you can succeed in whatever you're pursuing while staying within its bounds. By definition, limitless potential must allow for anything to be made possible, including an immediate win button, and what's the point of that?

  • @maskofthedragon
    @maskofthedragon 11 месяцев назад +68

    The powercreep from gen 3 to 4 was insane

    • @Dziobothehobo
      @Dziobothehobo 11 месяцев назад +29

      No, the powercreep from gen 4 to 5 was insane.

    • @_M_4
      @_M_4 11 месяцев назад +24

      ​@@Dziobothehobothe powercreep from gen 5 to 6 was insane

    • @gabrielmartinez8292
      @gabrielmartinez8292 11 месяцев назад +23

      @@_M_4 the powercreep from gen 6 to 7 was insane

    • @Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy
      @Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy 11 месяцев назад +21

      ​@@gabrielmartinez8292the powercreep from Gen 7 to 8 was insane

    • @officersoulknight6321
      @officersoulknight6321 11 месяцев назад +26

      ​@@Squirtle_Squad_SupremacyThe Gholdengo was Insane

  • @Lobster222
    @Lobster222 11 месяцев назад +3

    gen 3 is truly the dark souls of the melee of the quake of the starcraft brood war of the third strike of pokemon

  • @shevankaseneviratne1724
    @shevankaseneviratne1724 11 месяцев назад +5

    Thank you for bringing this epic metagame and all its wonderful nuances to our attention!

  • @antonyanez7413
    @antonyanez7413 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks to your channel I discovered gen 3 OU and I love it. Your videos are great but it's amazing when you talk about this gen. Idk, thanks for taking about this metagame ✨✨

  • @OMGHIDE
    @OMGHIDE 11 месяцев назад +3

    Gen 3 is the generation that mainly got into competitive Pokémon. I've never understood it when I was younger but it was so much fun playing with the friends I did make during those days. I second I started learning about all the small things in the game is when it all clicked and EVERYONE in the group caught on. I just have lots of good memories with the games competitive or not.

  • @Flip-a-dip-dip
    @Flip-a-dip-dip 11 месяцев назад +1

    Shoutouts to the person who named all their pokémon after modest mouse songs. Absolutely epic

  • @AnEveryManJack
    @AnEveryManJack 11 месяцев назад +3

    I started following competitive Pokemon in Gen 4, and haven't played since Gen 7. I always heard that Gen 3 was great, but it was never explained like this to me. My understanding was just a lack of powerful moves and no phys/spec split meant it was more balanced away from sweeping. I never heard about the variety and risk/reward plays in the gen 3. It's way more interesting than I thought. Great video!

  • @shadowing507
    @shadowing507 11 месяцев назад

    Great video! Dabbled in the tiniest bit of gen 3 monotype and it was very similar to how you explained... This was awesome!

  • @vincentgaming1619
    @vincentgaming1619 11 месяцев назад +40

    Only if BW OU was actually balanced it would be the best generation. ADV OU is king i must admit.

    • @funkymachine
      @funkymachine 11 месяцев назад +9

      Imo bw "engine" is the best in the series mechanically

    • @the_plague7404
      @the_plague7404 11 месяцев назад +5

      Tbf the sleep system in BW would be fucked no matter the pokemon in the gen, plus gems are absurdly broken if used smartly

    • @juannaym8488
      @juannaym8488 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@funkymachine how so? I genuinenly don't know. I think perma weather and sleep being fucked make it worse mechanically than newer gens

    • @funkymachine
      @funkymachine 11 месяцев назад

      @@juannaym8488 well gen 3/4 has perma weather too, and perma sand at least is fantastic for metas. as well as a few of the modern gen changes we like while still having good things like perma weather and 6.3% crits

    • @the_plague7404
      @the_plague7404 11 месяцев назад +3

      @funkymachine the updated crits system is actually something that made me much happier to pick up the more modern gens. It removes alot of the rng bullshit from matches and I think have a good level of impact now where they will rarely ever flat out win you the game and can usually be played around, but can keep things interesting and some match ups to be less 100% guaranteed. I'm actually quite happy with the level of random bullshit that pokemon throws at you nowadays, with some exeptions like dire claw (and also freeze fuck freeze bring back the P:LA freeze gamefreak)

  • @lucillefrancois150
    @lucillefrancois150 11 месяцев назад +3

    I’ve never met someone who played ADV and thought it was bad. Met some who didn’t necessarily vibe with it, but everyone seems to think it’s at worst playable

  • @yinyun2715
    @yinyun2715 11 месяцев назад +1

    Watching your gen3 ou videos has made me interested in trying out competitive pokemon again with this format

  • @matthewibrahim626
    @matthewibrahim626 11 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing video, completely agree with the point about having less character choices but more depth and room for creativity within those options. Great comparison between games.

  • @YellowHat07
    @YellowHat07 11 месяцев назад +1

    As someone who truly started out with Gen 3, its amazing to see that the competitive format for the generation is being kept alive and seemingly doing well. Ive always found Gen 3 to be easier to get into as theres way less to keep track of, yet still exciting due to the wide roster of pokemon you have.
    This was a great watch! Looking forward to seeing more gen 3 content as well as maybe even getting into it again for fun!

  • @behemiokos414
    @behemiokos414 11 месяцев назад +1

    I played a LOT of gen 3 on netbattle when that was a thing so this video was a trip down memory lane. I always thought it kind of perfected the competitive Pokemon formula but didn't have the words to describe why, and you hit the nail on the head with the phys/special split and everything having a BP of a million. Focus Punch was ALWAYS satisfying to land.

  • @WhyCatsCantFly
    @WhyCatsCantFly 11 месяцев назад +1

    this feels a lot like you're describing vgc as well, every turn is important, and evs are very tight

  • @austriangeorge5609
    @austriangeorge5609 11 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing vid, keep the ADV coverage coming! Truly a blessing for this tier 🙏

  • @jonwind3383
    @jonwind3383 11 месяцев назад +1

    You've been making me want to try this more and more lately

  • @OpIvyPunk
    @OpIvyPunk 11 месяцев назад +4

    One other thing that makes ADV great that you didnt touch upon is the fact that Iron Mugulis hasn't been able to meddle with its meta

  • @spacebiggles
    @spacebiggles 11 месяцев назад +3

    Hell yeah, I love gen 3 OU, I didn't know people still played it

    • @spacebiggles
      @spacebiggles 11 месяцев назад

      And I love it because I love focus punch

  • @chess_fella
    @chess_fella 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is the type of Jimothy content that I subscribed for, ADV stuff, very epic

  • @wario1226
    @wario1226 11 месяцев назад +2

    Up until gen 4, every game was planned to be the last. Game freak had no idea how long they could keep pokemon successful.
    Part of me likes to think they intentionally made gen 3 so well crafted for PVP because they wanted it to live forever. They wanted to make something that would outlive the brand popularity.
    Despite pokemon going stronger than ever, I still believe they succeeded in that assumed goal. Gen 3 could pass the Melee test; emerald will see play long after pokemon games stop coming out.

  • @nicholascarterharris3099
    @nicholascarterharris3099 11 месяцев назад +3

    Also gen 3 music slaps

  • @austinarcher90
    @austinarcher90 11 месяцев назад +2

    another reason why melee has survived this long is because of the players and storylines. i wonder if you did some videos about that it would attract more players. like the smash doc but for gen3 OU. who’s the mang0 of gen3 OU? the hungrybox? the leffen? just curious. great video!

    • @aubueruser7228
      @aubueruser7228 11 месяцев назад

      Well, there’s BKC…

    • @yourdagan
      @yourdagan 11 месяцев назад

      Nobody outside of the few people who do play in the tournaments cares who anyone is. The tournaments are not like Melee tournaments in attracting high levels of spectatorship and coverage.
      There's this dichotomy where people who do follow tournaments say only tournaments matter, but the vast majority of the playerbase only play on ladder and don't even care or acknowledge who's high ranking or who isn't.
      This is a "love of the game" game where you will mostly exist in your own little world unless you immerse yourself in the smogon bubble, which again, most people do not.
      There are some personalities and recognizable names, but you only get recognized for winning all the time, or for bringing something unconventional and succeeding with it. I suppose that's hardly different from Melee fame.

  • @PokemonTrainerJames
    @PokemonTrainerJames 11 месяцев назад

    one of your better videos, a lot of passion really shines through, good job :)

  • @Axel-kk7fr
    @Axel-kk7fr 11 месяцев назад +3

    Gen 3 will always have a special place in my heart. Nothing else quite like it.

  • @calebmorales6288
    @calebmorales6288 11 месяцев назад +1

    Your description of Gen 3 OU reminds me a lot of Edison Format (2010) in the Yugioh TCG. Gen 3 was when I played most as a kid, and I will definitely go on the nostalgia trip to try the Gen 3 OU format soon!

  • @DarthFhenix55
    @DarthFhenix55 10 месяцев назад +3

    For his Side B Dugrtrio uses a gun.

  • @yungtid
    @yungtid 11 месяцев назад +2

    this video is so excellent i feel it could function as an intro to gen 3 competitive

  • @_M_4
    @_M_4 11 месяцев назад +3

    TL;DW: power creep hasn't hit yet and some niche Pkmn can offer defensive utility/counter play (+ no U-turn or SR)

  • @grotn_
    @grotn_ 11 месяцев назад +11

    I feel like gen 4 also has an argument for "the melee of pokemon"

  • @shiningjoot6369
    @shiningjoot6369 11 месяцев назад +2

    This video made me try out Gen 3 OU and I thought I could make Choice Band Fury Cutter Scizor... I lost all 4 of my first 4 games, the first one and 3rd one I barely lost, the 2nd and 4th one I got cheesed

    • @nicolaistuhlmuller8718
      @nicolaistuhlmuller8718 11 месяцев назад +1

      Tbh fury cutter is bad cheese already and really won't work in any meta.

    • @shiningjoot6369
      @shiningjoot6369 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I just ended up using normal strategies and now even though I can't beat any people on ladder atleast none of my friends can beat me

  • @jasonberezowski2869
    @jasonberezowski2869 11 месяцев назад +1

    Old Gen player here. I 100 percent agree with this video. ADV ou is the most fun, fair and enjoyable format and gen in competitive pokemon in my.opinion. it has just enough mechanics without adding stupid things like dyna, megas and tera. It has just enough Pokemon that you can reasonably learn what each one does and what sets it might run, so while its not a perfect information game like chess, a skilled player is able to see what pokemon his.opponent is using and make a game plan.
    There is also much more room for creativity in the teambuilding then people might think. Sure you'll see common things like ttars and spikers and other things that make the meta function, but there is plenty of off meta tech that can surprise you with how effective it can be when played correctly.

  • @thecornhub6561
    @thecornhub6561 11 месяцев назад +1

    Your videos are what got me into playing gen 3 on smogon. I'm not the best at it, but it is so much more fun than just seeing Lado-T/Garg/Tusk 100 times

  • @Duffy_SSBM
    @Duffy_SSBM 11 месяцев назад

    Love this kind of crossover analysis!

  • @Eclipsmon8421
    @Eclipsmon8421 11 месяцев назад +1

    When I played gen 3 OU with a random team of pokemon I heard were pretty good, but fit my playstyle, I was shocked how much fun I had, and it eventually became my favorite generation to play.

  • @Dewy3739
    @Dewy3739 11 месяцев назад

    Jimothy! I love your content!! Your narration reminds of Alt Shift X. You have so much wisdom and game knowledge. Plus your intro skits are hilarious. One of my new favorite poke RUclipsrs. Keep it up dawg.

  • @5imian622
    @5imian622 11 месяцев назад +3

    I'm excited for Jim to reveal what we've been cooking up together >:)

  • @fobbie8385
    @fobbie8385 11 месяцев назад

    I've been playing ADV OU for over a year now and it's super fun and interesting.
    Cooking max SpA Blissey to completely stuff Gengar because I was terrible at team building was a really interesting idea that worked surprisingly well.

  • @RipplePuff_
    @RipplePuff_ 11 месяцев назад +1

    This video was really nostalgic to watch as someone who got into NetBattle around 05-06 before official Pokemon games had WiFi
    I didn't really know much about the meta and mostly played on RPG servers (RIP Smogon RPG), but I would occasionally play on the main Smogon server and despite barely knowing anything about the meta, I got some wins every now and then. Shows how bad people were back then maybe ROFL
    But if Gen 3 is still alive. The 12 year old NetBattler in me might wanna start playing again =]

  • @Nephyyy
    @Nephyyy 11 месяцев назад +1

    Loving all the Gen 3 content! It would be awesome to see tournaments in the colo/XD style at some point!

  • @jeffethegamingadvocate2821
    @jeffethegamingadvocate2821 11 месяцев назад +1

    I run a melee tournament every Tuesday and play gen 4 ou while waiting for people to finish their matches. I see how gen 3 is more melee-like but I love the comparison in general. Cool video

  • @manlikevirus
    @manlikevirus 11 месяцев назад +6

    This is probably your best video ever Mr Jim. Good job

  • @sephiross6438
    @sephiross6438 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hello Jimothy.
    I'm a huge fan of your channel, and I'm doing a colossal project on SD where I make 8 gyms, an e4, and champion for every single main gen format. (Rematch teams included for gens 2 on.) There will be level caps as well, and I'll be sure to use your vids on gen 3 ou mons as guides for specific sets. You're phenomenal and don't let anyone tell ya otherwise.

  • @ntankdjdoom
    @ntankdjdoom 11 месяцев назад

    you inspired me to get into gen 3 ou jim, very cool!

  • @elSteeler
    @elSteeler 11 месяцев назад +2

    ADV for life. I remember the Netbattle days...

  • @DGFTardin
    @DGFTardin 11 месяцев назад +1

    I don't care for gen 3 ou, but you reminded me to go back to my Emerald playthrough, thanks

  • @VersusThem
    @VersusThem 11 месяцев назад +3

    I find it funny that those are precisely the things I dislike from previous generations, explosion is way too punishing and it makes some special threats basically unblockable, and focus punch is fine for the madmans.
    The thing is, in Pokemon showdown, you end up playing hundreds and thousands of games against all kind of opponents, and a lot are not specifically "pros", moves like explosion and a high crit chance and other extremely punishing moves are fine for skill in a tournament but not for statistics of infinite anonymous games, in the long run, you WILL lose a LOT regardless of how skilled you are and to whomever you play against, which is at the same time frustrating as hell, and it makes so that there can't be a person that feels unbeatable, like in chess (which is fine, but a higher skill ceiling is always good)
    And yeah, that goes for, later generations too, one turn setup moves that win a game are awful too, scarfs became mandatory but it's always way too pressing, power creep became insane later on, that's why I like UU and RU much more than OU throughout the gens

  • @playstationarusu
    @playstationarusu 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is a great comparison and I absolutely agree with the similarities you pointed out between Melee and Gen 3. But I almost feel like old school Yu Gi Oh is a closer match. Smash games past Melee were made to be more casual intentionally, whereas Yu Gi Oh is like Pokemon in it's official endorsement of competition, and that the changes it went through was largely due to powercreep that overcentralized new offensive mechanics and strategies.
    In both cases, the new skewed risk/reward kinda invalidates those awesome sleeper picks that can win a match that gen 3 is known for. Really great analysis Jimothy, thank you for the gen 3 love.

  • @Wither1224
    @Wither1224 11 месяцев назад +1

    the opponents gengar waveland off ledge for 6 frames a galint and hit me with a thunder punch at 75 and killed smh

  • @Souliv3
    @Souliv3 11 месяцев назад +2

    Came to learn about Gen 9 competitive, stayed for the gen 3 videos even though I don't even play that format. They're just so interesting

  • @cherryb0ng
    @cherryb0ng 11 месяцев назад +2

    I absolutely love that you made this into a video. I always thought this to be true.

  • @illustrious-jaco
    @illustrious-jaco 11 месяцев назад +1

    i love that they both are somewhat easy to pick up while having the most insane math under the hood

  • @Helm-0
    @Helm-0 11 месяцев назад +2

    I was never into competitive pokemon, i always thought that this franchise was only meant for simple fun and that taking it too seriously was kinda silly, but this video made me actually pretty interested to play this specific format.

  • @griffin8762
    @griffin8762 11 месяцев назад +1

    I love ur occasional adv ou gushing videos, jim 😍😍
    the money got different

  • @armaldoaster97
    @armaldoaster97 11 месяцев назад +2

    Are there any resources someone willing to get into this very old scene can look into to get a jump start?

  • @Shinobu968
    @Shinobu968 11 месяцев назад

    I noticed the modest mouse song names for those pokemon! Good band W team

  • @ArthDragon14
    @ArthDragon14 11 месяцев назад

    Very nice crossover, love melee and pokemon, good taste!

  • @TheEssentialHughJazz
    @TheEssentialHughJazz 11 месяцев назад +2

    This is such a great video. Liked and subscribed. I can tell you that there would certainly be an audience if you wanted to cover the greatest Gen 3 OU matches in smogon history / contemporarily.

  • @Petsinwinter2
    @Petsinwinter2 11 месяцев назад +1

    It's kinda funny how Gen 3 and Melee were both the latest gen game at the same time

  • @Heartache2491
    @Heartache2491 11 месяцев назад

    I won't lie, you make me wanna try out Gen 3 OU :) If I had the time to really get into it, I would

  • @nataledesposito2075
    @nataledesposito2075 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have recently given a try to gen 3ou , it is a lot of fun , it also gives me the impression that mixed attackers are really valuable instead of the new generation in which they have a lot of flaws compared to mono stats attackers , also it opens my mind to a whole different mentality in team building , definitely worth it

  • @MatoVidovic_
    @MatoVidovic_ 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this, never played competitive 6v6 pkmn until end of X/Y so i never felt that attracted to gen prior to gen4 (phy/spec split + prefered gen4 as an old gen in itself).
    But this video brought to light a good ammount of intersting perks.
    I dont think i'll play it, given im already bad enough with modern team building and simpler ev spreads, but i'll at least watch more content about it !!

  • @gospel1326
    @gospel1326 11 месяцев назад

    Awesome video I mostly play modern gens but you got me wanting to mess around with gen 3 🎉❤💪

  • @KanomBaby
    @KanomBaby 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ur such a cool person to listen 2 thanks 4 ur vids na❤