i shouldnt be surprised the guy with weatherby in his handle picked the nosler! i think both of these chamberings are going to be with us basically forever. i think the PRC will be the most common by a long shot but the 28 is gonna win the hearts of the hotrodders and the extreme range crowd. me personally, i want to see the 6.8 western necked up to 7mm and .308 and see what happens. there is a reason why the 7 saum and the .300 wsm stick around and i think factory versions of those with more freebore in a tighter spec chamber with longer bullets in short action would be hunting perfection.
If you look the pub data the 7mm prc uses less powder. Using h1000, it uses 10gr less powder, so you'd get an extra 14 rounds per pound of powder. With powder availability these days, that's something I'm looking at more and more.
Isn't it interesting how that works? For a 300 WBY I could put 89 gr of H1000 for a 180 gr bullet that is going 3143 FPS. For a 300 RUM 90 gr of H1000 only gives me 3071 FPS.
Don’t shoot magnums if you are worried about powder burn. That’s about the stupidest comparison I have ever heard. The whole point of shooting a 28 Nosler is to launch heavy high BC bullets as fast as possible. It beats the 7prc in all hunting situations
Powder burn efficiency can effect recoil, barrel life, and accuracy. If you compare 300 win mag to 300 wsm in 165 grain bullets you will find the same kind of situation. As the case gets longer you get less speed for your buck and more wasted bang for your buck.
@Dave-cf2ng i agree hornady boys keep acting like they invented something new. And somehow they got everyone to buy a slow shooting gun to shoot deer when the only thing it is good for is 800- 1000 yd target shooting. The 243 way outperforms the 6.5 Creedmoor the 270 way outperforms the 6.5 prc and the 7mm rem mag and 7mm prc are practically the same cartridge. If i want a better than 7mm rem mag ill would get a 28 nosler
I have both. The 7 MMPRC was $45 a box and the 28 nosler was $94 per box. Both factory hunting ammo performs amazingly well. The Hornady shooting ELDX 175 in the nosler shooting ABLR 175. Noticeable difference in recoil but The muzzle brake and/or suppressor reduces recoil dramatically. Both are very handleable for hunting situations.
Good analysis! The 28 Nosler is just more a good thing. It’s impressive as a hunting cartridge. The 7mm PRC is shooting 6% slower, but with 21% less recoil. Either one is a good cartridge. I would pick the 7mm PRC for availability, and barrel life.
If I was building a custom rifle right now it would be a 7Mag with an 8 twist barrel and I wouldn't handicap it with a SAAMI chamber. I'd throat it for the heavies and it will exceed what the 7PRC does with a thousand times better brass availability, as well as the option to still shoot the dozens of factory loads available for it. Hornady 's marketing department got guys thinking that the 7PRC has "better ballistics" which is garbage. It just has a better chambering spec in factory rifles. That's it. 7mag has more case capacity, and with a barrel change you can beat the 7PRC every day of the week. 7PRC is just the easy button for those who buy into hype and don't reload.
28 Nosler seems a little bit "overbore". Quite the barrel burner and I am not a huge fan of that but I have to say... its performance is something else for those looking for more. Personnally, I think I would prefer the more "reasonable" 7mm PRC or the 6.8 Western. With well over 2000 ft.lbs at 400 yards, flat trajectory and managable recoil, what is not to like?
I own a 28 Nosler and it is a fantastic shooter and I find the recoil to be very manageable As for burning out the barrel......I have been told to expect to shoot around 800 rounds before the barrel will be shot out. I don't plan to be out "plinking" with this gun, it's my long range hunting rifle so for me to shoot more than a box of shells pre-season would be a stretch. So at 20 rounds per year give or take it will be a very long time before this barrel will need to be replaced.
That 7 PRC is with 2” shorter barrel as compared to 26” for 28 Nosler. So probably still a bit slower than the 28 Nosler but not quite the disparity as compared. Great video though, you earned a new subscriber. I’d pick the 7 PRC.
7PRC is going to be an excellent cartridge. It was developed really smartly for the market, where it’s optimized for factory rifles and factory ammo which 80% of shooter choose. It’s velocity is more than adequate for all big game across the world short of some big 5 and Asian buffalo (with the right bullet construction).
I shot a 7mm stw for years so I’m familiar with speed. For me the 7 prc would be the better choice. It uses less powder and has less recoil . As you mentioned the barrel life will be shorter on the nosler and case life also be shorter. I’ll have the 7 prc once more rifles are chambered for it. I have the 6.5 prc and it’s a wonderful round
This is my favorite comparison you've ever done. Hornady designed this round in a different way than I thought they would. I was hoping they would take a 300 PRC and just neck it down to 7mm. A lot of friends agree. But Hornady made it much More tame. I've mentioned before that my custom chamber 28 Nosler has a 300 freebore and I run 195 Berger's at 3200 FPS. All I can say is if you build something like this, get a good muzzle brake because without one it punches like Mike Tyson 🤣. I wish I lived closer to you cuz you would have a lot of fun with this gun. Absolutely wonderful comparison! Thank you very much!
haha, that's exactly what my 28Nos shoots. 195 EOLs at 3200. It's a hunting rifle, not a range rifle. I've got plenty of other rifles for that. When it's time to kill stuff, the 28Nos gets the nod. With the brake or a can, it's no different than anything else. Without the brake...yeah, no thanks!
@@ReloadingWeatherby what’s ur point? That’s not a value of 60 buck? Nosler makes great stuff but I will not pay what they want for factory ammo. Also nosler brass will be more expensive to load. Along with the bullet. I also believe the 7prc is a more accurate cartridge. As I have shot both. 7prc is easier to shoot. Now with them both weighing the same 28 Nosler is going to recoil more so that will affect the shorter for accuracy as well. For me me there is such little difference between these I have to go with the one that’s easier to shoot and more accurate and cheaper. But that’s just my 2 cents 😂
@Quest for the perfect load Nothing wrong with picking the 7mm PRC. My point is the ABLR is a much more premium bullet. It performs much better on game than the ELD-X. But... you definitely are paying more for the Nosler name.
I was at Scheels last Thursday. About 4 types of 7mm PRC, no hunting rounds. Plenty of ammo. Scheels does online purchases. Dahlonega Armory usually has the best prices for rifles. They usually have 7PRC rifles.
@@Roninx1980 Never tried that heavy of bullet, but I doubt it would with the factory twist rate. Mine is my mule deer rig so I'm happy with a 150gr Barnes at 3300+fps. That load maintains enough speed to still perform properly at about 650 yrds.
Yo RW… A fun comparison is 7PRC vs 300WSM… The fun part is not the differences but the similarities in both downrange performance and recoil. They are darn near interchangeable with… arguably… a slight edge to the PRC in the 168-175gr bullet weight class. Both are great choices for heavy hitting long range elk/moose cartridges. Cheers!
A lot complain about recoil but for a long range rifle, which these two cartridges are designed for, imo it should have a brake on it to help stay on target and watch your hits. Esp if all you do is shoot steel or are hunting fields where you arent walking around much and just are stationary. And i always have hearing protection even hunting so its not a problem. Or at vary least use brake for most load development and practice then remove it, dial in a few shots without it for hunting.
I’m going 7mm PRC.I don’t reload and don’t want to reload. I do however want a longer barrel life. I also will probably never shoot over 500 yds.More like 400 and below. If you’re shooting long distances you SHOULD get lots of practice which brings the barrel life issue up more.
With every new endeavor, there's the known-unknown and the things we learn as we go. We don't know how long the barrel life will be with 7PRC. People had to learn about barrel life as they went along with 28 Nosler. If we find out 7PRC has a similar barrel life to 28 Nosler, will that effect people's choices? In my opinion, the Weatherby magnums are still better choices from a standard production rifle.
I’ve always liked the 28 nosler and have been wanting one, either way I like the nosler or prc, prolly would also go 28 nosler, but after thinking it over and price of ammo I’d like 7mm prc and found a rifle 762$ where the 28 nosler is $1300
You can buy a Nosler 28 in a model 48 from Sportsmans Warehouse when they have their after Christmas sale for about $1,000. And sometime Nosler has close out sales after Christmas too! I have bought a couple of Nosler for my boys since they came out. I have even re-barreled one and it was about $600. For a stainless barrel. I have 3 guns being built in the shop right now and one of them is a 7 Rem mag. It will do anything you need in North America for hunting! My sons love the 28 Nosler but I would personal rather hunt with a 300wsm which I have in a Sako 85!
I pick the 28 Nosler every time. I've had a custom 28N since 2015. It is a lights out caliber in every condition. I have a 26" Brux barrel with a nice muzzle break. I can shoot it all day. I handload and shoot the 195 Berger EOL + Retumbo (78.4gr) + Federal Gold Medal Magnum Match primers. I am getting 3015fps, I keep a moderate load because it is very effective, easy on the brass and barrel. This is a new barrel, last one I changed around 800 rds, but really didn't need to. Accuracy degradation ended up being due to a firing pin spring that was damaged. I will easily get 1000-1200 out of this one.
In your first example if they both have 24 inch barrels, you're only about a 100 to 120 ft per second difference. Not enough for me to have that much extra recoil and be a barrel burner.
@Reloading Weatherby then I would wonder what a 26 inch barrel on the PRC rifle would perform like? Shorter barrels are becoming more popular because of suppressors and brakes. I don't like brakes and suppressors aren't legal in Canada. I sold a Browning x-bolt in 7mm rem mag and kept my Weatherby Vanguard because I liked the 24inch barrel on the Vanguard vs the 26 inch on the x-bolt.
Thanks for the breakdown. I think it was a pretty forgone conclusion that 28 Nosler was going to win easily from a performance perspective, just like 300 Norma beats the 300 PRC. One interesting difference between the two I think most people (not necessarily Weatherby fans) need to consider is that difference in recoil. I've heard reports from experienced shooters that 28 Nosler is just that little bit too powerful for them to shoot without developing a flinch, while the 7 PRC (being only slightly more recoil than the 7mm RM) is fine. So if you consider the 300 WM the absolute max recoil you can accurately shoot, the 7 PRC might be a better option. Reminds me of the 454 Cassull and 480 Ruger. 454 is noticably more powerful than 480, but while most people can handle 44 RM, not everyone can handle the extra kick of the 454, and for those people the 480 is the perfect compromise of a small increase in recoil and moderate increase in performance (44=7mm RM, 454=28 Nosler, 480=7 PRC and you get the picture).
7PRC doesn't have as much case capacity as a 7mag, only recoil difference would be with shooting 175s in the PRC vs 150s in the 7mag. A properly chambered 7mag with an 8 twist barrel like a 7PRC will do everything the PRC does. Hornady is great at marketing to non reloaders, that's for sure.
Case of the 7mm prc is basically the same case capacity of the 7mm wsm. That said my 7mm wsm is a lot nicer on recoil to shoot than the 28nosler that recoils like a mule. 28 nosler is not enjoyable to shoot. I wouldn’t get the 7mm prc till ammo is available in good amounts from different manufacturers. If u want it for hunting 7mm rem mag should still be ur baby
I have over pressure issues with my factory Hornady 7mm PRC 175 ELDX Precision Hunter ammo in my new Christensen Ridgeline FFT 22”. I noticed the ammo is .03 longer than Hornadys reloading manual. When I chamber a round and pull it out I have rifling marks on the bullet, unsure if it’s a ammo or a chambering issue.
I had a similar issue in a mesa 300 prc. Target bullets we’re fine, hunting bullets we’re engaging the rifling LONG before they should. Sent it back to Christensen twice, both times they sent it back saying it was fine. I’ll never buy another Christensen.
🤔 Put a 26" "Crogenically Treated Barrel" on the 7mm prc and the Factory Ammunition Velocity Difference would be a mere 25 ft/s (and a 100 ft/s with handloads)! Considering that the recoil is 7 ft lbs difference between the two - and a barrel life different of 800 rounds, compared to 2,000 rounds - give me the 7mm prc All Day Long! 🤑 Recoil Effects Accuracy! 😜
🤪 That would only be 50 ft/s more from the 26" barrel it is already wearing! The "Bigger Point" here is that the Velocity is Not Worth the Reduction in Barrel Life and Extra Recoil! That Was My Point, That Their Are BETTER WAYS to Get That Velocity Than an 800 Round Barrel Life and an Extra 7 ft lbs of Recoil! Otherwise, Why Not Just Go With a 300 Weatherby? OH, WAIT...🤣🤣🤣
I'm going to have to pick the 28 nosler I own a 7 rum and they are close and like u if u reload there is alot more u can get out of it cause my factory nosler loads are about 250 fps off my hand loads no pressure sign and out of a 26 inch barrel
I was looking into the 28 nosler but was talked out of it because the shop had a few returns on them apparently🤷🏻♂️ the guys didn’t want to go into details the problems wondering if anyone knows what they are?
@@jimklemens5018 I was told they had issues 🤷🏻♂️ that’s all I know I’m pretty sure the guys that owned them re sold them back to the shop went with something else because they had 2 for sale with less then a box of shells fired I’m not trying to start a argument what’s good & what’s not good I was just saying I want to know more details from anyone else that has experience with the 28
Cost is a huge concern making the nosler twice as expensive as the prc wether you reload or buy factory. The prc has a far more manageable recoil also making it far more enjoyable to shoot. The recoil is different too, prc is a comfortable push while the nosler is a hard punch, comparable to a 338 win mag and 300 win mag.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Building it. Lone peak fuzion action and preferred barrel blank 26 inch barrel light palma with a area 49 hellfire match muzzle brake... On a MPA matrix chassis or light weight MDT chassis . I can't stand actions that bind.
I would say overall it depends what you want. For the same bullet, the 28 nosler will have greater velocity on target which can result in higher deformation and internal damage on the game. For factory options in ammunition for the ablr and eldx are very different in bullet construction. The chemical bonding process of the ablr requires a higher change in velocity to get the same “mushrooming” when compared to the eldx. From a design of the bullet, there is a point where the velocity difference will be overcome. There are a few other mechanical differences the bullets. It comes down to personal choice and what the shooter wants for performance.
I have owned a 28 Nosler for 4 years and the recoil is very manageable suppressed, braked, or even open barrel. The PRC I have shot doesn't really feel like the recoil is much less, but everyone feels it differently. I would rather pay for Nosler factory ammo because the ELDX explode at these velocities on elk. If you are handloading fired brass the costs are negligible for better bullets than Hornady currently offers.
@ReloadingWeatherby like you said earlier YOLO, pick one up you definitely won't be disappointed and you can never own too many. I have trouble deciding between the Nosler and the 6.5-300 out here in Central Wyoming for big game.
I own two 28s (one Browning X bolt & the other Christensen Arms) both great shooters. I don't worry about burning up a barrel. Even say on the low end of 800 rounds that's enough to last several lifetimes. During barrel break ins and sight in i went thru 20 rounds on each. Now I shoot before the season just to make sure scopes are still on then maybe take two or three animals a year. So each get shot maybe 10 times a year, divide that by 800 and I'm good unless I live to be 120 which I highly doubt... ;-)
I always have to be the odd man out. That's why I didn't like the 6-5 creedmoor and why I was a huge fan of wild cats like the Ackley improved or Sherman's. I easily talked myself out of the 6-5 creedmoor on a few occasions I even talked myself out of a 6mm creedmoor. I know it's the in thing and it's the popular cartridge but I'll be darned if I can't find one bad thing to say about 7prc. I have a feeling that my next rifle which will be designed as a sniper rifle or a designated Marksman rifle mid to long-range Target as well as a mid-range hunting gun for large game. And I think the 7 PRC is the golden ticket
If you're going to build a custom gun, just build a 7mag with a custom chamber and an 8 twist barrel. There's way more options for brass and factory ammo, and the 7mag case holds more powder than the 7PRC. A properly built 7mag will do everything and then some that Hornady claims the 7PRC will, and right now you're limited to that crappy Hornady brass.
So many people worry about barrel life and never burnd out a barrel before i personally dont worry about but i clean my barrels and never fire more then 3 rounds so not to over heat barrel
Great comparison and awesome content overall 👍 Have you covered the 284 Win yet? Seems like a great round for those of us looking for a little more power than a 7mm-08 but not full bore magnum performance.
Why don’t the 7’s interest me at all? I really don’t know. I like the 7mm-08, but component availability is not what the 6.5 creedmoor and 308 are, which I have already, so I don’t have the 7. I wish Hornady would’ve come out with the 6.8 western, which is an intriguing cartridge, but gets crapped on compared to the new PRCs.
I would go with the 7 prc For a couple reasons I always want less recoil. I reload but I want to be able to get factory ammo and the last time I looked 28nosler cost over a hundred dollars and 7mm prc is as low as 55 dollars.
This is like comparing Ferrari to Porsche. Both are awesome and ridiculously fast. The straight up race car, the Ferrari, will need an oil change, need braks and tires after a hard weekend of driving it. The Porsche can be driven hard and still have a more normal maintenance schedule. Also has a more comfortable ride. Both are fast but one is faster and one is more practical. I want both 😂🤣😅 but if I could only have one I'd take the Porsche (7PRC)
So in the wind difference at 900 yards I would not say the Nosler "outclasses" the PRC. The Nosler at that range has 3 F-in FEET of drift, that's a big correction and if you don't guess right then you MISS. The PRC is only 4 inches more drift, you still have to account for wind just exactly the same as the Nosler and that 4 inch difference offers no advantage. At that distance if you miss-guess the wind by 5mph the Nosler is off by 18 inches and the PRC is off by 20.75 inches, so I see zero advantage. Now if you told me the Nosler wind drift was 1/2 the PRC's I would be impressed and yea that "OUTCLASSES" the PRC.
I think the 7 PRC is a more efficient and better balanced cartridge, especially for general purpose western hunting. Speed isn’t everything. The 28 Nosler might beat the PRC in kinetic energy and on paper, BUT…..it used more powder, more recoil, shorter barrel life, more expensive ammo, eventually believe the 7 PRC ammo will be wide spread, and a longer 26” barrel is usually required. I own a Christensen 28 Nosler, and when the barrel is burnt out, I won’t be going back to it.
Interesting comparison. Not really an apples to apples look since the case capacity of the 28 is significantly greater. I think a better comparison will be between the 7prc and the 300 winmag. it looks like the 7prc generally equals or exceeds the 300wm, especially at hunting ranges, and does it with less recoil. only time will tell but i think the 7prc will eventually replace the 300 wm. jm2c
I did a video comparing the 300 Win mag to the 7mm PRC. The 300 Win mag has an advantage in typical hunting distances. 7 PRC starts beating 300 Win mag past 600 or so yards
@@ReloadingWeatherby , I will have to go check out that video. However in comparing factory Hornady ammo of equal bullet weight, (175 7prc, 178 wm) the 7prc muzzle velocity and energy is just slight more than the 300wm but the 7prc pulls away the further it goes. and also all published ballistic data for the 300 wm is with a 26" barrel. I'm just a ballistics nerd. It will be interesting to see how the 7prc does over time.
@Howard Fluty Why would you compare same weight bullets in different calibers? 300 Win mag can shoot a 215 gr Berger at 2850 FPS(factory ammo) What I said earlier is still true. A slight advantage for the Win mag in normal hunting distances. Same goes when comparing handloads. In my video I compare handloaded ammo, but as I said earlier... factory ammo with a heavy high b.c. bullet is becoming more prevalent in 300 Win mag. I see the 7mm PRC becoming very popular.
No such thing as, "too much gun..." for a big bore magnum crazed gun nut. Also, that barrel burner stuff injected into the conversation about the awesome utility of the 28, is usually parroted by folks who either haven't done the math, can't afford the rifle that chambers it, or are looking for something other than a laser like, long range hunting rifle that anchors elk size animals in their tracks! That's my 28 Nosler in a nutshell...168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets, and Retumbo magnum powder are extremely hard to beat in virtually any hunting scenario.
You sir are a poet. Exactly why I've been shooting 7 Rum for years. There's something about touching that round off and ejecting a case and it sounds like an empty artillery shell hitting the table.
@@ReloadingWeatherby With that load, it hovers a little over 3200 fps. Like, "It be screamin'! ". Put that one on your list of next must haves, R. Dub.
@@nt3523 "...and don't know it..." 🤣 I'm with you man. Those overbore, high velocity magnum launched bullets fly through the air like surface to air missles, print exactly where they're aimed, and hit that dirt backstop like a small artillery mortar round. Leaves a huge crater in the dirt, and a smile on my face every shot!
@@bustabass9025 The 28 Nosler intrigues me so much but I can't pry myself away from the Rum. I remember when the Noslers were coming out, I was pretty well set up with brass and a couple pet loads for my Rum and I started hearing of the 28 Nosler. I was like 'damn it'.
1) barrel lengths (one book shows 26" for the 28n, 24" for the 7prc , thats 50ishfps difference easily) and performance , only 150fps will separate the two with 26" barrels . 2) using the fastest published data on both isnt being realistic as many wont hit those numbers , using the near max numbers would be more real world . 3) The 28 nosler will absolutely be faster in barrel lengths 24" or longer. 4) the 7 prc will burn powder better in those shorter barrels that are very popular , specially with more suppressor users . If your dont mind are want a longer barreled rifle, dont mind spending $80-100 for a box of factory ammo 28 nosler is all you. If you want a 16-24" barreled rifle and something designed for better accuracy for factory rifles and ammo ($50-60 a box ) 7mm PRC is your round .
Overbore ultra magnums are super specialized. They are not recoil efficient nor barrel life efficient. There is a point of diminishing returns where putting more and more propellant behind a bullet results in the consequences overshadowing the benefits. I think the 28N suffers from this sort of inefficiency. The 7PRC on the other hand appears to fit within a sweet spot where it is sufficient across a broad range of use cases without being excessive, and it possesses recoil efficiency delivering velocity with smaller charge weights… it is thus a very versatile cartridge… perhaps even versatile enough for the one gun fudds out there who so loyally cherish their precious 30-06 hunting rifles. I think the 7PRC has the potential to attract hunters away from both 30-06 and 7mmRM. On paper, the 7PRC performance appears to compare very closely to the 300WSM in the 168gr bullet weight … but with even more efficiency and more versatility as there is a broader range of bullet weights with higher BC that the 7PRC can handle. I’m a big fan of the 300WSM so I am intrigued by the 7PRC because it has the potential to be even better than the 300WSM across a wider range of use cases… which is remarkable.
@@ReloadingWeatherby no problem man, really enjoy your channel. You think you might put some big bore cartridge videos out? Huge fan of the 416’s here.
@@ReloadingWeatherby we have access to accurate rifles + good bullets for myriad of cartridges. They will all do the job if we do our job + don't take shots from ranges beyond our capabilities.
28 nosler all day long. If you get one built correctly like by Ryan pierce then you get 195 gr bergers at 3150 fps. Put that in your calculations and see what that tells ya. 😂
It's also depends on what your rifles can handle your chamber and barrel twist. Plus how far you can seat with longer bullet. Would like to see you load the 175 for the 28 nosler and maybe try 180s as well.
I have yet to see anyone get 3000 out of a 180 7prc. They all say it but when they review it falls short. We have both 28 nosler and a 7lrm which has more capacity than the 7prc 28 nosler all day will take it. 7prc claim to fame is a short barrel and still get good fps.
Now do I go with a classic wooden stock CDL rifle in 7 rem mag 300 win mag. Classics in every sense of the word or Remington 700 Magpul in 7prc with 26" barrel (to be upgraded at a later date.). One is modern sleek and sexy the others strong dependable with a moral compass that is predictable. I don't know my indecisiveness is going to kill me
Most people just don’t do enough hunting to understand what advantages that speed does for you. I have always hunted with speed demon rounds. One year I decided to try a 6.5 Creedmore on antelope. It was like being in a boxing match with one hand tied behind my back. Never again.
I get what you're saying, that eventually the 7mm PRC will have a lot of factory ammo options, but as of now... the 28 Nosler has a lot more options. There is Nosler ammo, Hornady ammo and Browning ammo for the 28 Nosler.
@Reloading Weatherby yeah but like you said, unless you reload or buy from Choice Ammo or others that reload and sell ammo, you get what you get. You would think with all that punch, someone would have used high bc bullets for long rang
In my humble opinion, I don't see why they came up with the 7mm PRC when you we already have the 28 Nosler. Or why they came up with the 6.8 Western when we already had the 270WSM but I guess is marketing and someone some how has to make money. The 7mm prc is overrated.
@@ReloadingWeatherby. U get more. But that's when the best accuracy starts going the other way. Randy Selby's words. He's got more knowledge then u and me both put together. So I do believe it starts going down hill at 5 to 7 hundred full charge rounds. Yes
The 7 PRC is nothing but a lot of Hornady hype. 7 saum shoots the same bullet at the same speed. Mine is actually faster than the PRC in real world guns.
How fast are the 204, 22-250 and 220 Swift with the largest bullets they can shoot? If I really wanted to I could shoot a 110 gr bullet in my 300 Weatherby at 4000 FPS.
Right or wrong… I have always perceived the Nosler and Weatherby cartridges to be obscure and unnecessary evolutionary dead ends born of the more is always better magnum craze mentality. Its like the weatherbys are the old school high class snob cartridges and the Noslers are just recent proprietary copy cats… I find all these cartridges very easy to ignore, most of the time I pretend they don’t even exist. 🤷🏻♂️
THEY BOTH ARE. The weatherby has nothing on a 7mm rem mag and the Nosler is just a novelty. I know a shitload of guys who own 7mm rem mags but only 1 who owns a 28 nosler but is so flinch happy he cant hit the BROADSIDE of a barn. Ille stick to my 7mm rem mag. It only lacks a hundred fps and its recoil doesnt loosen your teeth. Also the barrel life on a rem mag is 4 times the noslers and with 28 brass at 4 bucks apiece and loaded factories at 5 bucks apiece the 28 can stay at the gun shop.
@@ReloadingWeatherby The weatherby is not any faster than the rem mag. Look at the reloading manuals. Theres not a dime's worth of difference between the 2. Ballistics are identical .
@@ReloadingWeatherby Hiya... I use 300WSM/175gr LRX for elk/moose hunting, 270WIN/129gr LRX for deer hunting, 308WIN/150grTTSX for deer hunting and 308WIN/178gr ELDX for long range target shooting, 7mm-08REM/150gr ELDX for deer hunting and long range target shooting. I don't have, but I am intrigued by the following sweet spot hunting cartridges: 280AI, 6.8Western, 270WIN fast twist. I also find myself interested in 6.5PRC and 7PRC... but I have a 270 and a 300WSM that essentially perform the same function. I used to think that all a guy ever needed to do any hunting is a 300 WinMag... haha... but then I got more edjumacated and got more than 1 rifle. 😜. I do now think the big manums and ultra magnums are well in the zone of diminishing returns and with the advent of better bullets these days we can do more with smaller cartridges... but... I do still like me a flat trajectory so it is a joy hunting with a 300m maximum point blank range... hence the 270WIN for deer... Cheers!
i shouldnt be surprised the guy with weatherby in his handle picked the nosler!
i think both of these chamberings are going to be with us basically forever. i think the PRC will be the most common by a long shot but the 28 is gonna win the hearts of the hotrodders and the extreme range crowd.
me personally, i want to see the 6.8 western necked up to 7mm and .308 and see what happens. there is a reason why the 7 saum and the .300 wsm stick around and i think factory versions of those with more freebore in a tighter spec chamber with longer bullets in short action would be hunting perfection.
If you look the pub data the 7mm prc uses less powder. Using h1000, it uses 10gr less powder, so you'd get an extra 14 rounds per pound of powder. With powder availability these days, that's something I'm looking at more and more.
Isn't it interesting how that works? For a 300 WBY I could put 89 gr of H1000 for a 180 gr bullet that is going 3143 FPS. For a 300 RUM 90 gr of H1000 only gives me 3071 FPS.
Don’t shoot magnums if you are worried about powder burn. That’s about the stupidest comparison I have ever heard. The whole point of shooting a 28 Nosler is to launch heavy high BC bullets as fast as possible. It beats the 7prc in all hunting situations
Powder burn efficiency can effect recoil, barrel life, and accuracy. If you compare 300 win mag to 300 wsm in 165 grain bullets you will find the same kind of situation. As the case gets longer you get less speed for your buck and more wasted bang for your buck.
@Dave-cf2ng i agree hornady boys keep acting like they invented something new. And somehow they got everyone to buy a slow shooting gun to shoot deer when the only thing it is good for is 800- 1000 yd target shooting. The 243 way outperforms the 6.5 Creedmoor the 270 way outperforms the 6.5 prc and the 7mm rem mag and 7mm prc are practically the same cartridge. If i want a better than 7mm rem mag ill would get a 28 nosler
@@Dave-cf2ngyou WIN
I have both. The 7 MMPRC was $45 a box and the 28 nosler was $94 per box. Both factory hunting ammo performs amazingly well. The Hornady shooting ELDX 175 in the nosler shooting ABLR 175. Noticeable difference in recoil but The muzzle brake and/or suppressor reduces recoil dramatically. Both are very handleable for hunting situations.
Love your channel Austin. The 28 Nosler is what the 7mm PRC wants to be when it grows up.
Thanks for watching!
Good analysis! The 28 Nosler is just more a good thing. It’s impressive as a hunting cartridge. The 7mm PRC is shooting 6% slower, but with 21% less recoil. Either one is a good cartridge. I would pick the 7mm PRC for availability, and barrel life.
YOLO! Don't care about barrel life
@@ReloadingWeatherby I do. Limited money means I can only afford so many rifles/barrels in my life
Didn't he say 7 PRC ammo is hard to come by? How is it more available?
@@james2139 Sadly manufacturers focus on common cartridges during shortages. 28 nosler is being ignored and hornady is blasting out plenty of 7mmprc
If I was building a custom rifle right now it would be a 7Mag with an 8 twist barrel and I wouldn't handicap it with a SAAMI chamber. I'd throat it for the heavies and it will exceed what the 7PRC does with a thousand times better brass availability, as well as the option to still shoot the dozens of factory loads available for it. Hornady 's marketing department got guys thinking that the 7PRC has "better ballistics" which is garbage. It just has a better chambering spec in factory rifles. That's it. 7mag has more case capacity, and with a barrel change you can beat the 7PRC every day of the week. 7PRC is just the easy button for those who buy into hype and don't reload.
28 Nosler seems a little bit "overbore". Quite the barrel burner and I am not a huge fan of that but I have to say... its performance is something else for those looking for more. Personnally, I think I would prefer the more "reasonable" 7mm PRC or the 6.8 Western. With well over 2000 ft.lbs at 400 yards, flat trajectory and managable recoil, what is not to like?
Just wish the 6.8 had better ammo manufactures or at least someone who will make decent brass.
I own a 28 Nosler and it is a fantastic shooter and I find the recoil to be very manageable
As for burning out the barrel......I have been told to expect to shoot around 800 rounds before the barrel will be shot out. I don't plan to be out "plinking" with this gun, it's my long range hunting rifle so for me to shoot more than a box of shells pre-season would be a stretch. So at 20 rounds per year give or take it will be a very long time before this barrel will need to be replaced.
Nice!
That 7 PRC is with 2” shorter barrel as compared to 26” for 28 Nosler. So probably still a bit slower than the 28 Nosler but not quite the disparity as compared. Great video though, you earned a new subscriber. I’d pick the 7 PRC.
Nature of the beast... (28 Nosler) Have to have a long barrel to get good velocities. 7 PRC is more efficient
7PRC is going to be an excellent cartridge. It was developed really smartly for the market, where it’s optimized for factory rifles and factory ammo which 80% of shooter choose. It’s velocity is more than adequate for all big game across the world short of some big 5 and Asian buffalo (with the right bullet construction).
It's a good cartridge!
If hornady is having a problem getting the optimal powder for the 7prc then your going to have a hard time finding the optimall powder for 7prc
I shot a 7mm stw for years so I’m familiar with speed. For me the 7 prc would be the better choice. It uses less powder and has less recoil . As you mentioned the barrel life will be shorter on the nosler and case life also be shorter. I’ll have the 7 prc once more rifles are chambered for it. I have the 6.5 prc and it’s a wonderful round
Thanks for commenting!
This is my favorite comparison you've ever done. Hornady designed this round in a different way than I thought they would. I was hoping they would take a 300 PRC and just neck it down to 7mm. A lot of friends agree. But Hornady made it much More tame. I've mentioned before that my custom chamber 28 Nosler has a 300 freebore and I run 195 Berger's at 3200 FPS. All I can say is if you build something like this, get a good muzzle brake because without one it punches like Mike Tyson 🤣. I wish I lived closer to you cuz you would have a lot of fun with this gun. Absolutely wonderful comparison! Thank you very much!
That is awesome.
haha, that's exactly what my 28Nos shoots. 195 EOLs at 3200. It's a hunting rifle, not a range rifle. I've got plenty of other rifles for that. When it's time to kill stuff, the 28Nos gets the nod. With the brake or a can, it's no different than anything else. Without the brake...yeah, no thanks!
Price point on factory is a big difference talking almost 60 bucks more on Nosler ammo..
One is a bonded bullet, while the other is a high b.c. cup and core bullet
@@ReloadingWeatherby what’s ur point? That’s not a value of 60 buck? Nosler makes great stuff but I will not pay what they want for factory ammo. Also nosler brass will be more expensive to load. Along with the bullet. I also believe the 7prc is a more accurate cartridge. As I have shot both. 7prc is easier to shoot. Now with them both weighing the same 28 Nosler is going to recoil more so that will affect the shorter for accuracy as well. For me me there is such little difference between these I have to go with the one that’s easier to shoot and more accurate and cheaper. But that’s just my 2 cents 😂
@Quest for the perfect load Nothing wrong with picking the 7mm PRC. My point is the ABLR is a much more premium bullet. It performs much better on game than the ELD-X. But... you definitely are paying more for the Nosler name.
Even their match ammo with the RDF bullet is twice the price as the PRC.
@@dankcincy yep .
7RM fast twist here and when I need more I go to 338. The massive unintentional savings keeps me in ammo.
I was at Scheels last Thursday. About 4 types of 7mm PRC, no hunting rounds. Plenty of ammo. Scheels does online purchases. Dahlonega Armory usually has the best prices for rifles. They usually have 7PRC rifles.
Looks to me, that my 7Wby falls right in between those two. I'm a happy guy with that.
Would the 7 wby mag be able to stabilize the 175 GR round?
@@Roninx1980 Never tried that heavy of bullet, but I doubt it would with the factory twist rate. Mine is my mule deer rig so I'm happy with a 150gr Barnes at 3300+fps. That load maintains enough speed to still perform properly at about 650 yrds.
Yo RW…
A fun comparison is 7PRC vs 300WSM…
The fun part is not the differences but the similarities in both downrange performance and recoil. They are darn near interchangeable with… arguably… a slight edge to the PRC in the 168-175gr bullet weight class. Both are great choices for heavy hitting long range elk/moose cartridges.
Cheers!
3 k 185 Berger’s 300 wsm w rl 17 is more than enough
A lot complain about recoil but for a long range rifle, which these two cartridges are designed for, imo it should have a brake on it to help stay on target and watch your hits. Esp if all you do is shoot steel or are hunting fields where you arent walking around much and just are stationary. And i always have hearing protection even hunting so its not a problem. Or at vary least use brake for most load development and practice then remove it, dial in a few shots without it for hunting.
I’m going 7mm PRC.I don’t reload and don’t want to reload. I do however want a longer barrel life.
I also will probably never shoot over 500 yds.More like 400 and below.
If you’re shooting long distances you SHOULD get lots of practice which brings the barrel life issue up more.
Thanks for commenting
With every new endeavor, there's the known-unknown and the things we learn as we go. We don't know how long the barrel life will be with 7PRC. People had to learn about barrel life as they went along with 28 Nosler. If we find out 7PRC has a similar barrel life to 28 Nosler, will that effect people's choices? In my opinion, the Weatherby magnums are still better choices from a standard production rifle.
I suspect barrel life will be around 1500 rounds for the 7mm PRC.
Don’t shoot light bullets I can shoot a barrel out a 300 wsm w 150 s keep it in the 2800-3000 and it will last
I would like to have both of them if I could afford it but I'm going to settle with that 7 mm 08
Excellent.
7mm prc is basically a long throated 7wsm which i have similar case capacity
To me both are very similar, but one shines in the accuracy department more and that is the 7PRC without a doubt 🙂
Thanks for commenting!
I’ve always liked the 28 nosler and have been wanting one, either way I like the nosler or prc, prolly would also go 28 nosler, but after thinking it over and price of ammo I’d like 7mm prc and found a rifle 762$ where the 28 nosler is $1300
You can buy a Nosler 28 in a model 48 from Sportsmans Warehouse when they have their after Christmas sale for about $1,000. And sometime Nosler has close out sales after Christmas too! I have bought a couple of Nosler for my boys since they came out. I have even re-barreled one and it was about $600. For a stainless barrel. I have 3 guns being built in the shop right now and one of them is a 7 Rem mag. It will do anything you need in North America for hunting! My sons love the 28 Nosler but I would personal rather hunt with a 300wsm which I have in a Sako 85!
I pick the 28 Nosler every time. I've had a custom 28N since 2015. It is a lights out caliber in every condition. I have a 26" Brux barrel with a nice muzzle break. I can shoot it all day. I handload and shoot the 195 Berger EOL + Retumbo (78.4gr) + Federal Gold Medal Magnum Match primers. I am getting 3015fps, I keep a moderate load because it is very effective, easy on the brass and barrel. This is a new barrel, last one I changed around 800 rds, but really didn't need to. Accuracy degradation ended up being due to a firing pin spring that was damaged. I will easily get 1000-1200 out of this one.
Thanks for commenting! My dad has a 28 Nosler and he really likes it
I recently shot 1650 yds with it, my furthest yet. Basically center punched the steel after wind corrections.
@@klintbutler4135 I've shot my dad's 28 to 1000 yards. Super easy. He was using the 180 gr Hybrid
In your first example if they both have 24 inch barrels, you're only about a 100 to 120 ft per second difference. Not enough for me to have that much extra recoil and be a barrel burner.
That's fair... but for these bigger magnum cartridges you have to use a longer barrel to see the added velocity
@Reloading Weatherby then I would wonder what a 26 inch barrel on the PRC rifle would perform like? Shorter barrels are becoming more popular because of suppressors and brakes. I don't like brakes and suppressors aren't legal in Canada. I sold a Browning x-bolt in 7mm rem mag and kept my Weatherby Vanguard because I liked the 24inch barrel on the Vanguard vs the 26 inch on the x-bolt.
I’m going to stay with my 7mm Remington magnum but I enjoyed the comparison. Thank you
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the breakdown. I think it was a pretty forgone conclusion that 28 Nosler was going to win easily from a performance perspective, just like 300 Norma beats the 300 PRC.
One interesting difference between the two I think most people (not necessarily Weatherby fans) need to consider is that difference in recoil. I've heard reports from experienced shooters that 28 Nosler is just that little bit too powerful for them to shoot without developing a flinch, while the 7 PRC (being only slightly more recoil than the 7mm RM) is fine. So if you consider the 300 WM the absolute max recoil you can accurately shoot, the 7 PRC might be a better option.
Reminds me of the 454 Cassull and 480 Ruger. 454 is noticably more powerful than 480, but while most people can handle 44 RM, not everyone can handle the extra kick of the 454, and for those people the 480 is the perfect compromise of a small increase in recoil and moderate increase in performance (44=7mm RM, 454=28 Nosler, 480=7 PRC and you get the picture).
Good points
7PRC doesn't have as much case capacity as a 7mag, only recoil difference would be with shooting 175s in the PRC vs 150s in the 7mag. A properly chambered 7mag with an 8 twist barrel like a 7PRC will do everything the PRC does. Hornady is great at marketing to non reloaders, that's for sure.
Case of the 7mm prc is basically the same case capacity of the 7mm wsm. That said my 7mm wsm is a lot nicer on recoil to shoot than the 28nosler that recoils like a mule. 28 nosler is not enjoyable to shoot. I wouldn’t get the 7mm prc till ammo is available in good amounts from different manufacturers. If u want it for hunting 7mm rem mag should still be ur baby
and it is, 140 grainers Federal Trophy Bonded, deadly on whitetails down here in South Texas! I wouldnt even hesitate to dump it at a nilgai!
I have over pressure issues with my factory Hornady 7mm PRC 175 ELDX Precision Hunter ammo in my new Christensen Ridgeline FFT 22”. I noticed the ammo is .03 longer than Hornadys reloading manual. When I chamber a round and pull it out I have rifling marks on the bullet, unsure if it’s a ammo or a chambering issue.
Sounds like the ammo if it's longer than what Hornady says it should be
I had a similar issue in a mesa 300 prc. Target bullets we’re fine, hunting bullets we’re engaging the rifling LONG before they should. Sent it back to Christensen twice, both times they sent it back saying it was fine. I’ll never buy another Christensen.
I got both, but really like the 28. Would you happen to have a load worked up using 168 LRX bullets?
I haven't tried the 168 LRX
🤔 Put a 26" "Crogenically Treated Barrel" on the 7mm prc and the Factory Ammunition Velocity Difference would be a mere 25 ft/s (and a 100 ft/s with handloads)! Considering that the recoil is 7 ft lbs difference between the two - and a barrel life different of 800 rounds, compared to 2,000 rounds - give me the 7mm prc All Day Long! 🤑 Recoil Effects Accuracy! 😜
Put a 28 inch barrel on the 28 Nosler and give it another 100 FPS.
🤪 That would only be 50 ft/s more from the 26" barrel it is already wearing! The "Bigger Point" here is that the Velocity is Not Worth the Reduction in Barrel Life and Extra Recoil! That Was My Point, That Their Are BETTER WAYS to Get That Velocity Than an 800 Round Barrel Life and an Extra 7 ft lbs of Recoil! Otherwise, Why Not Just Go With a 300 Weatherby? OH, WAIT...🤣🤣🤣
😂 Maybe You Should have done a 28 Nosler vs. 300 Weatherby Magnum Comparison? Now That Would Have Been More Interesting! 😜
@@ReloadingWeatherby Are hunting from a truck? A 26" barreled rifle would weigh a ton and PITA to cover.
🤠 Yep! Pretty hard to beat isn't it? 🥳
I'm going to have to pick the 28 nosler I own a 7 rum and they are close and like u if u reload there is alot more u can get out of it cause my factory nosler loads are about 250 fps off my hand loads no pressure sign and out of a 26 inch barrel
I'll take the 7 MM PRC all day long. It does what I need and more, with less kick, powder and I can find ammo where I live.
Thanks for commenting!
I was looking into the 28 nosler but was talked out of it because the shop had a few returns on them apparently🤷🏻♂️ the guys didn’t want to go into details the problems wondering if anyone knows what they are?
That's weird
Rifles aren't returned because of the cartridge that they are chambered in.
@@jimklemens5018 I was told they had issues 🤷🏻♂️ that’s all I know I’m pretty sure the guys that owned them re sold them back to the shop went with something else because they had 2 for sale with less then a box of shells fired I’m not trying to start a argument what’s good & what’s not good I was just saying I want to know more details from anyone else that has experience with the 28
@@gkhuntertrapper2738 The issue could be that the customer didn't like the amount of recoil.
Great info, I’m really looking to buy a good 7mm! Awesome video as always! Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Your chart for 7mm PRC is different than what I have. Specifically the drop at 800 and 900 yrds ? Like 15 inches on both
My chart is sighted in for 100 yards
Cost is a huge concern making the nosler twice as expensive as the prc wether you reload or buy factory. The prc has a far more manageable recoil also making it far more enjoyable to shoot. The recoil is different too, prc is a comfortable push while the nosler is a hard punch, comparable to a 338 win mag and 300 win mag.
I like 7mm prc .. Can't wait to get one...
What rifle are you going to get it in?
@@ReloadingWeatherby Building it. Lone peak fuzion action and preferred barrel blank 26 inch barrel light palma with a area 49 hellfire match muzzle brake... On a MPA matrix chassis or light weight MDT chassis . I can't stand actions that bind.
@@hakuuna_matata Sounds like a great gun!
I would say overall it depends what you want. For the same bullet, the 28 nosler will have greater velocity on target which can result in higher deformation and internal damage on the game. For factory options in ammunition for the ablr and eldx are very different in bullet construction. The chemical bonding process of the ablr requires a higher change in velocity to get the same “mushrooming” when compared to the eldx. From a design of the bullet, there is a point where the velocity difference will be overcome. There are a few other mechanical differences the bullets. It comes down to personal choice and what the shooter wants for performance.
So what is your pick?
@@ReloadingWeatherby 7 prc
I have owned a 28 Nosler for 4 years and the recoil is very manageable suppressed, braked, or even open barrel. The PRC I have shot doesn't really feel like the recoil is much less, but everyone feels it differently. I would rather pay for Nosler factory ammo because the ELDX explode at these velocities on elk. If you are handloading fired brass the costs are negligible for better bullets than Hornady currently offers.
Thanks for commenting! I own a 7mm PRC and I would rather have a 28 Nosler
@ReloadingWeatherby like you said earlier YOLO, pick one up you definitely won't be disappointed and you can never own too many. I have trouble deciding between the Nosler and the 6.5-300 out here in Central Wyoming for big game.
would a carbon fiber barrel extend the life a bit with 28 nosler?
I don't think so. But I could be wrong.
Compare the going ammo prices.
For me it's the availability and price of the cartidges that'll come out on top - both I think the 7PRC is going to overtake pretty soon.
I own two 28s (one Browning X bolt & the other Christensen Arms) both great shooters. I don't worry about burning up a barrel. Even say on the low end of 800 rounds that's enough to last several lifetimes. During barrel break ins and sight in i went thru 20 rounds on each. Now I shoot before the season just to make sure scopes are still on then maybe take two or three animals a year. So each get shot maybe 10 times a year, divide that by 800 and I'm good unless I live to be 120 which I highly doubt... ;-)
Thanks for sharing!
I always have to be the odd man out. That's why I didn't like the 6-5 creedmoor and why I was a huge fan of wild cats like the Ackley improved or Sherman's. I easily talked myself out of the 6-5 creedmoor on a few occasions I even talked myself out of a 6mm creedmoor. I know it's the in thing and it's the popular cartridge but I'll be darned if I can't find one bad thing to say about 7prc. I have a feeling that my next rifle which will be designed as a sniper rifle or a designated Marksman rifle mid to long-range Target as well as a mid-range hunting gun for large game. And I think the 7 PRC is the golden ticket
Thanks for commenting! 7mm PRC is a good one!
If you're going to build a custom gun, just build a 7mag with a custom chamber and an 8 twist barrel. There's way more options for brass and factory ammo, and the 7mag case holds more powder than the 7PRC. A properly built 7mag will do everything and then some that Hornady claims the 7PRC will, and right now you're limited to that crappy Hornady brass.
The pec has its own case head dia and probably slower powders
I would say a 7 MM 195 Grain Berger pushed between 2850-2950 FPS would be the sweet spot for a 7 MM Cartridge.
I'm very impressed with the 28's stats but for me the recoil would shorten my range time
You would want a brake or a can
@@ReloadingWeatherby or a 7…
I plan to get both before I retire but I’m buying the prc first.
So many people worry about barrel life and never burnd out a barrel before i personally dont worry about but i clean my barrels and never fire more then 3 rounds so not to over heat barrel
Great comparison and awesome content overall 👍
Have you covered the 284 Win yet? Seems like a great round for those of us looking for a little more power than a 7mm-08 but not full bore magnum performance.
Yes I've done a video on the 284 Winchester
.284 has been winning the National s for some time give it a 30” barrel 30 fps per “ over 24
I think the case can be made that the do it all cartridge has finally been delivered. The 7prc is like Goldie lox
Yep
I own both and the PRC is completely outclassed
Why don’t the 7’s interest me at all? I really don’t know. I like the 7mm-08, but component availability is not what the 6.5 creedmoor and 308 are, which I have already, so I don’t have the 7. I wish Hornady would’ve come out with the 6.8 western, which is an intriguing cartridge, but gets crapped on compared to the new PRCs.
7mm isn't my favorite either
I would go with the 7 prc For a couple reasons I always want less recoil. I reload but I want to be able to get factory ammo and the last time I looked 28nosler cost over a hundred dollars and 7mm prc is as low as 55 dollars.
This is like comparing Ferrari to Porsche. Both are awesome and ridiculously fast. The straight up race car, the Ferrari, will need an oil change, need braks and tires after a hard weekend of driving it. The Porsche can be driven hard and still have a more normal maintenance schedule. Also has a more comfortable ride. Both are fast but one is faster and one is more practical. I want both 😂🤣😅 but if I could only have one I'd take the Porsche (7PRC)
You're such a Hornady fanboy Kyle! haha I'm kidding by the way.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I tried to make it less noticeable with the car references lol take care buddy
So in the wind difference at 900 yards I would not say the Nosler "outclasses" the PRC. The Nosler at that range has 3 F-in FEET of drift, that's a big correction and if you don't guess right then you MISS. The PRC is only 4 inches more drift, you still have to account for wind just exactly the same as the Nosler and that 4 inch difference offers no advantage. At that distance if you miss-guess the wind by 5mph the Nosler is off by 18 inches and the PRC is off by 20.75 inches, so I see zero advantage. Now if you told me the Nosler wind drift was 1/2 the PRC's I would be impressed and yea that "OUTCLASSES" the PRC.
I get 3016 fps on a 165 gr bullet on a 7 rem mag. Std rem mag pretty close to the prc.
I think the 7 PRC is a more efficient and better balanced cartridge, especially for general purpose western hunting. Speed isn’t everything.
The 28 Nosler might beat the PRC in kinetic energy and on paper,
BUT…..it used more powder, more recoil, shorter barrel life, more expensive ammo, eventually believe the 7 PRC ammo will be wide spread, and a longer 26” barrel is usually required.
I own a Christensen 28 Nosler, and when the barrel is burnt out, I won’t be going back to it.
Thanks for commenting!
Yeah I'd rather take the cartridge with the greater efficiency of powder to velocity, less recoil, and not burn my barrel out so fast.
Can't go wrong with the 7mm PRC
I own a .28 Nosler in the Christiansen FFT the recoil is barely 20 lbs
That has a muzzle brake
300wm or 300wsm.
In factory loads (and assuming the 25 fps per inch) you are looking at 75 fps faster with a 24” barrel. 75 fps in exchange for 28% more recoil… ouch!
Yeah... 7mm PRC is more efficient
Interesting comparison. Not really an apples to apples look since the case capacity of the 28 is significantly greater. I think a better comparison will be between the 7prc and the 300 winmag. it looks like the 7prc generally equals or exceeds the 300wm, especially at hunting ranges, and does it with less recoil. only time will tell but i think the 7prc will eventually replace the 300 wm. jm2c
I did a video comparing the 300 Win mag to the 7mm PRC. The 300 Win mag has an advantage in typical hunting distances. 7 PRC starts beating 300 Win mag past 600 or so yards
@@ReloadingWeatherby , I will have to go check out that video. However in comparing factory Hornady ammo of equal bullet weight, (175 7prc, 178 wm) the 7prc muzzle velocity and energy is just slight more than the 300wm but the 7prc pulls away the further it goes. and also all published ballistic data for the 300 wm is with a 26" barrel. I'm just a ballistics nerd. It will be interesting to see how the 7prc does over time.
@Howard Fluty Why would you compare same weight bullets in different calibers? 300 Win mag can shoot a 215 gr Berger at 2850 FPS(factory ammo) What I said earlier is still true. A slight advantage for the Win mag in normal hunting distances. Same goes when comparing handloads. In my video I compare handloaded ammo, but as I said earlier... factory ammo with a heavy high b.c. bullet is becoming more prevalent in 300 Win mag. I see the 7mm PRC becoming very popular.
I’ll keep my 300 wsm it works 165 or 180 185 190 s and does it w rl 17 and 4350
I have a 28 Nosler shooting 195 bergers at 3150. The 7mm prc just can’t do that.
True
What kind of book is that brother?
Hornady reloading manual
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thanks bro.👍👍
No such thing as, "too much gun..." for a big bore magnum crazed gun nut. Also, that barrel burner stuff injected into the conversation about the awesome utility of the 28, is usually parroted by folks who either haven't done the math, can't afford the rifle that chambers it, or are looking for something other than a laser like, long range hunting rifle that anchors elk size animals in their tracks!
That's my 28 Nosler in a nutshell...168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets, and Retumbo magnum powder are extremely hard to beat in virtually any hunting scenario.
What velocities are you getting with the 168 ABLR?
You sir are a poet. Exactly why I've been shooting 7 Rum for years. There's something about touching that round off and ejecting a case and it sounds like an empty artillery shell hitting the table.
@@ReloadingWeatherby
With that load, it hovers a little over 3200 fps. Like, "It be screamin'! ". Put that one on your list of next must haves, R. Dub.
@@nt3523
"...and don't know it..." 🤣
I'm with you man. Those overbore, high velocity magnum launched bullets fly through the air like surface to air missles, print exactly where they're aimed, and hit that dirt backstop like a small artillery mortar round. Leaves a huge crater in the dirt, and a smile on my face every shot!
@@bustabass9025 The 28 Nosler intrigues me so much but I can't pry myself away from the Rum. I remember when the Noslers were coming out, I was pretty well set up with brass and a couple pet loads for my Rum and I started hearing of the 28 Nosler. I was like 'damn it'.
1) barrel lengths (one book shows 26" for the 28n, 24" for the 7prc , thats 50ishfps difference easily) and performance , only 150fps will separate the two with 26" barrels . 2) using the fastest published data on both isnt being realistic as many wont hit those numbers , using the near max numbers would be more real world . 3) The 28 nosler will absolutely be faster in barrel lengths 24" or longer. 4) the 7 prc will burn powder better in those shorter barrels that are very popular , specially with more suppressor users .
If your dont mind are want a longer barreled rifle, dont mind spending $80-100 for a box of factory ammo 28 nosler is all you.
If you want a 16-24" barreled rifle and something designed for better accuracy for factory rifles and ammo ($50-60 a box ) 7mm PRC is your round .
@Jess Hadlock I agree
Overbore ultra magnums are super specialized. They are not recoil efficient nor barrel life efficient. There is a point of diminishing returns where putting more and more propellant behind a bullet results in the consequences overshadowing the benefits. I think the 28N suffers from this sort of inefficiency.
The 7PRC on the other hand appears to fit within a sweet spot where it is sufficient across a broad range of use cases without being excessive, and it possesses recoil efficiency delivering velocity with smaller charge weights… it is thus a very versatile cartridge… perhaps even versatile enough for the one gun fudds out there who so loyally cherish their precious 30-06 hunting rifles.
I think the 7PRC has the potential to attract hunters away from both 30-06 and 7mmRM.
On paper, the 7PRC performance appears to compare very closely to the 300WSM in the 168gr bullet weight … but with even more efficiency and more versatility as there is a broader range of bullet weights with higher BC that the 7PRC can handle.
I’m a big fan of the 300WSM so I am intrigued by the 7PRC because it has the potential to be even better than the 300WSM across a wider range of use cases… which is remarkable.
7PRC is a very well thought out cartridge that will be very successful.
Fudds rule
No to manbuns
28 Nosler all day
@@sdriza 😂😂😂
If I was a dedicated 7mm man for hunting, I would pick the 28 nosler personally.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@ReloadingWeatherby no problem man, really enjoy your channel. You think you might put some big bore cartridge videos out? Huge fan of the 416’s here.
For reloading I would wait couple years after the die makers perfected the tooling. 6.5 PRC dies had lots of issues initially.
I didn't know that the 6.5 PRC dies have had issues.
My Hornady 6.5 PRC Match grade dies make deadly ammo. One of the nicest set I have ever bought besides my Redding Competition dies. 😉
For hunters, I don't think the 28 Nosler offers anything hunters actually need. In contrast, the 7 PRC is essentially an updated 7 Rem Mag.
Just bragging rights at this point.
@@ReloadingWeatherby we have access to accurate rifles + good bullets for myriad of cartridges. They will all do the job if we do our job + don't take shots from ranges beyond our capabilities.
28 nosler all day long. If you get one built correctly like by Ryan pierce then you get 195 gr bergers at 3150 fps. Put that in your calculations and see what that tells ya. 😂
It's also depends on what your rifles can handle your chamber and barrel twist. Plus how far you can seat with longer bullet. Would like to see you load the 175 for the 28 nosler and maybe try 180s as well.
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800 rounds before barrel burn out? My chest hurts....
That's what I've heard...
I've definitely heard the barrel life is under 1k rounds. At least it isn't a plinking cartridge 😅. Great video 👍
Hornady should have necked down the 300 PRC to 7 MM. They should NOT have shortened the 7 PRC.
Ask any Montana rifle builder the 28 nosler is the one that gets changed out
I get 3350fps out my 28 inch barreld 7mm rum with a 180 grain berger bullet and get 3150fps with my 28 nosler with same bullet
Impressive performance from the 7mm RUM
I have yet to see anyone get 3000 out of a 180 7prc. They all say it but when they review it falls short. We have both 28 nosler and a 7lrm which has more capacity than the 7prc 28 nosler all day will take it. 7prc claim to fame is a short barrel and still get good fps.
The factory 175 doesn't even get 3000 FPS like Hornady says it does.
Now do I go with a classic wooden stock CDL rifle in 7 rem mag 300 win mag. Classics in every sense of the word or Remington 700 Magpul in 7prc with 26" barrel (to be upgraded at a later date.). One is modern sleek and sexy the others strong dependable with a moral compass that is predictable. I don't know my indecisiveness is going to kill me
choices...choices. I plan to get a wood stock someday.
Less recoil for the win.
Reintroduce 7RUM with faster twist, heavier barrel and 200 gr bullets!!!
I will pick Nosler 28.
Well I have a 7mm rm so I'd rather not get anything the is close to the same performance my choice is 28 nosler
Most people just don’t do enough hunting to understand what advantages that speed does for you. I have always hunted with speed demon rounds. One year I decided to try a 6.5 Creedmore on antelope. It was like being in a boxing match with one hand tied behind my back. Never again.
You're not going to get any other ammo for 28 nosler. It's been 8 years
I get what you're saying, that eventually the 7mm PRC will have a lot of factory ammo options, but as of now... the 28 Nosler has a lot more options. There is Nosler ammo, Hornady ammo and Browning ammo for the 28 Nosler.
@Reloading Weatherby yeah but like you said, unless you reload or buy from Choice Ammo or others that reload and sell ammo, you get what you get. You would think with all that punch, someone would have used high bc bullets for long rang
So the 28 Nosler is kind of a rip off of the 7mm RUM.
It's just a shortened 7mm RUM
All the 7 PRC is a belt less 7 Rem Mag with a match throat.
Yep
@@ReloadingWeatherby I’m currently having a 7 Rem Mag reamer made with the PRC throat.
In my humble opinion, I don't see why they came up with the 7mm PRC when you we already have the 28 Nosler. Or why they came up with the 6.8 Western when we already had the 270WSM but I guess is marketing and someone some how has to make money. The 7mm prc is overrated.
300RUM! Does it all!
300 RUM is a beast!
PRICE OF AMMO IS THE DEAL BREAKER. PLUSS BARREL LIFE.
7PRC FOR ME IS THE WINNER.😊
More like 5r6hundred rounds w 28nos. U will get alligator skin barrel. Accuracy goes away steadily after that
You really think you only get 500 rounds with a 28 Nosler?
@@ReloadingWeatherby. U get more. But that's when the best accuracy starts going the other way. Randy Selby's words. He's got more knowledge then u and me both put together. So I do believe it starts going down hill at 5 to 7 hundred full charge rounds. Yes
The 7 PRC is nothing but a lot of Hornady hype. 7 saum shoots the same bullet at the same speed. Mine is actually faster than the PRC in real world guns.
Definitely a lot of hype.
No comparison Twenty eight nozzler is bad ass
Thanks for watching
Barrel burner dam it
If it's a hunting rifle I don't think it matters
28 nosler vs 7mm rum
That’s a lot of powder, sjeez
Yeah
Fast? The 204, 22-250 and 220 Swift are fast. Most big game rifle magnums do not exceed 3,300 fps. That's a 223 in a 24" test barrel.
How fast are the 204, 22-250 and 220 Swift with the largest bullets they can shoot? If I really wanted to I could shoot a 110 gr bullet in my 300 Weatherby at 4000 FPS.
Right or wrong… I have always perceived the Nosler and Weatherby cartridges to be obscure and unnecessary evolutionary dead ends born of the more is always better magnum craze mentality. Its like the weatherbys are the old school high class snob cartridges and the Noslers are just recent proprietary copy cats… I find all these cartridges very easy to ignore, most of the time I pretend they don’t even exist. 🤷🏻♂️
What cartridges do you care about?
THEY BOTH ARE. The weatherby has nothing on a 7mm rem mag and the Nosler is just a novelty. I know a shitload of guys who own 7mm rem mags but only 1 who owns a 28 nosler but is so flinch happy he cant hit the BROADSIDE of a barn. Ille stick to my 7mm rem mag. It only lacks a hundred fps and its recoil doesnt loosen your teeth. Also the barrel life on a rem mag is 4 times the noslers and with 28 brass at 4 bucks apiece and loaded factories at 5 bucks apiece the 28 can stay at the gun shop.
@@twolak1972 7mm Weatherby has nothing on the 7mm Rem mag? What does that even mean?
@@ReloadingWeatherby The weatherby is not any faster than the rem mag. Look at the reloading manuals. Theres not a dime's worth of difference between the 2. Ballistics are identical .
@@ReloadingWeatherby Hiya... I use 300WSM/175gr LRX for elk/moose hunting, 270WIN/129gr LRX for deer hunting, 308WIN/150grTTSX for deer hunting and 308WIN/178gr ELDX for long range target shooting, 7mm-08REM/150gr ELDX for deer hunting and long range target shooting. I don't have, but I am intrigued by the following sweet spot hunting cartridges: 280AI, 6.8Western, 270WIN fast twist. I also find myself interested in 6.5PRC and 7PRC... but I have a 270 and a 300WSM that essentially perform the same function. I used to think that all a guy ever needed to do any hunting is a 300 WinMag... haha... but then I got more edjumacated and got more than 1 rifle. 😜. I do now think the big manums and ultra magnums are well in the zone of diminishing returns and with the advent of better bullets these days we can do more with smaller cartridges... but... I do still like me a flat trajectory so it is a joy hunting with a 300m maximum point blank range... hence the 270WIN for deer... Cheers!
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