I just finished watching you live with WhoTeeWho! What a great conversation. When you were talking about your Africa hunt with your 7PRC I couldn’t help but think I’d love to see you compare that with a 7Mag and like magic, here it is! Thanks for all you do, John!
I’ve had 7 Rem mag over the years and used it with success, seems to work good because it’s been around and used, the other 7 cal rifles will work too just depends on what you want. On a whim I bought the 7 prc and it was a patriot which is a fine gun but I didn’t feel like I did myself any favors over a regular 7 Rem mag, and I never fired the rifle and I needed up trading it off just because it’s really so close to the 7 Rem mag with comparable bullet weights and yes it can shoot 180 gr bullets but I’m not killing animals beyond 200-300 yards ever. So I like the 7 Rem mag
Sounds like you've got the right one. Personally, I'm going to probably get a 7 PRC when it comes to South Africa (also preferably a Howa 1500). Where I am in Namibia, we have plenty of space to reach out and I've taken Gemsbok out to 622m so far with my .308. For me, the 7 PRC will be the perfect platform to make those shots easier whilst also being an excellent LR target cartridge, which I'm really into, but the .308 doesn't really cater for that.
@@marcmoore4115 very cool yeah that 7 prc will be a great round and I may get one again someday not anything wrong with it, I know it gives another neat rifle chambering for others to choose from with heavy bullets so long range shots are doable. I see it being an awesome elk rifle honestly
Hey John. I am pretty sure I ran into you at the gun range the other day as you were shooting your 7mm PRC. I even mentioned the 28 Nosler in our conversation and you explained the difference between the calibers. I can’t believe I ran across your RUclips channel! Great channel! Good luck on your next mule deer NM hunt! Be blessed!
I had the $28 Nosler first and just purchased a 7 mm PRC a week ago. With either of these I will not need a 7 REM mag. I have yet to take game with either but I'm very eager for whitetail season to open in November. I was surprised that the seven MMPRC ammunition was readily available in Hornady elite Hunter 175 at $45 per box. The 28 nozzler was $95 per box. Big difference!
I have several other calibers I would use on a little whitetail. I can take my .223 and kill them just as fast as these two calibers. .243 is more than enough. 50 years of hunting is all about shot placement.
I have used mainly 270 Winchester and 6.5 CM for the last 25 years deer hunting in Missouri. I was just ready to change calibers. My son started with 243 Winchester, 30-30 and moved to 7x57 Mauser about 10 years ago. I bought him a 270 win for Christmas last year so he will be using that this year.
I am a 7mm snob, I love them all. The rifle I bought in 7RM was a thinner barrel meant for hunting. I built my bucket list gun in a 7SS which ballistically is in the same space, but in a short action. I ran into a few issues and decided to add a 7PRC barrel to that action. I just got the barrel and am too busy getting ready for an Elk hunt to pivot and work on it, but am looking forward. They are all great, but the overbore'ness of the 28Nosler has me shying away from it. The 33 Nosler on the other hand, hmmmmmmm. Great comparison video. Thanks!
I’ve got a 7mm rem mag and 28 nosler Rem mag is great for loading 160gr accubonds at 2950fps for up close work 28 nosler has 180gr ELDM hand loads at 3100fps that would have to be one of the flattest shooting and hardest hitting guns with manageable recoil and a radial brake Also no issues with a 1-9t in the nosler at those velocities Should be a criminal offence to buy a 28 nosler and cripple it with factory ammo not to mention how overpriced it is!
Too many 7mm Rem Mag fans think that the 7mm Rem Mag can be loaded hotter than the 7mm PRC. They fail to understand that the 7mm PRC can be loaded to higher chamber pressures as well as the case capacity does not really make it hold more powder seeing that the bullets much be seated deeper in the case reducing the amount of case capacity greatly. Too many delusional people out there. I believe the 7mm Rem Mag is a great cartridge it's just that the 7mm PRC is a little better. Very nice video. Great content.
Depends on the throat length and barrel length …you dont have to seat to sammi lengths. Seated out you wont eat the powder capacity and good brass certainly can get better than factory ballistics out of it and often better than book loads.
I'm really not trying to hate, but I'm not convinced. It just seems like Les Bowman got it right the first time. There's a reason it's been around since 1962. I love the idea of the 7mm PRC, but it just doesn't cut above it's weight. It doesn't like the lighter projectiles because of the twist rate and SPECIFICALLY chambered for the heavier bullets. Where as the 7mm Rem Mag, is versatile from 100 grain projectiles, to 195 grains in a 1-9" twist. Even 197 grain Sierra. That's where you have a custom throat for case capacity. Just not convincing. I can get ammo, components, and load data anywhere in the world for the 7mm Rem Mag, I can't say the same for the 7MM PRC or 28 Nosler. Hmm. Just not convincing, great content. Thank you!
@@jaymiller393even Federal seems to be quite a bit slower than advertised nowadays. Nothing I have fed my 7PRC seems to be anywhere close to advertised. Still accurate as hell but SLOW.
The big difference between 7prc and 28 nosler is whether you absolutely *need* to magazine feed 185gr+ bullets from a long action. If you're OK hand feeding or moving to a magnum action, 28 nosler is your choice. If you're looking for mag feeding in a regular long action, 7mm prc. That's it, that's what all the commotion is about
What’s holding it back is it’s only factory rifles coming in a 1-10 twist so you’re limited to low to mid weight bullets. 7rum is the fastest but with what you’re gaining with that much more powder and needing a 28inch barrel to get it’s true potential, the 28 nosler is the better choice.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblogweatherby does. Seekins did offer 1:8.6. Fierce made 1:8.5’s. 175 eldx should/may stabilize in a 9t depending on altitude at the velocities the nosler generates. Stability calcs are close to 1.5
I really want a 7mm PRC. But here are two problems that keep me from buying one: I am a reloader and at this time there is virtually no brass available for purchase. I am not interested in a gun that would just sit in the safe because I can't find brass. The second reason is I am not sure that it will shoot the weight bullets that I want. There is a fairly popular RUclips channel that the guy recently purchased a 7mm PRC. He LOVES the cartridge, but said the PRC hates light weight bullets and really only shoots the heavy stuff accurately. I am not interested in shooting a 180g bullet at 2900 fps. I want a 7mm that will shoot a 160g bullet at 3100+ fps. Nosler has a 160g AB and a 168g LRAB that I would want to develop. Both of these bullets have very respectable BCs and would do GREAT for the distances that I would be hunting at. I don't take 700 yard shots. My shots are pretty much always under 400 yards. If the PRC won't shoot the lighter bullets very well then I am not interested. I would love to hear from some people that have tried the 150-168g class of bullets in the PRC.
The 7Prc is meant to send the the long, heavy for caliber projectiles out to distance. This isn't what you're trying to do so the 7prc isn't the right tool for your application.
I think your over thinking it my dude. My 7prc is shooting the 160 cx bullets just fine. Their is brass available you just gotta get it before it sells out. It's popular so it's gets snapped up quick.
You just explained why you don’t need a 7PRC, the 7rem mag is your obvious choice if you want to shoot 140-170gr bullets in a 1-9 twist. I have a browning with a factory 1-8, and it shoots light weight bullets great as well as 160-180gr so I think it depends on the barrel itself.
I bought a Remington 700 BDL in 7 Rem Mag in December 2022 that from the factory came with a 1:8 twist AND they increased the magazine length to accommodate longer bullets. So, with that said, why would I need a 7 PRC?
That’s a big improvement from Remington! I haven’t been paying attention, they have restarted production on the 700, obviously. Must have got some new people in who were ready to change up. After Mike Walker retired, there was a long dry spell!!
As a handloader, the 7prc is just a bit more efficient. But like me who has a browning with a 1-8 twist, I see no reason on trading it for a 7prc. Yeah it’s a bit more efficient, but you can’t compare the factory ammo options, brass availability, rifle options etc.. if I really wanted a different 7mm cartridge I’d go for a 28 nosler.
I'm getting 2,950fps with the 175gr ELD-X from a 22" barrel. It's reasonable to expect 3,000fps (or very close to it) with that load out of a 24" barrel. Is the ELD-X a good big game bullet? That's debatable. It seems to shoot incredibly accurately at all ranges and to deliver wonderful terminal performance at extended range. Every complaint I've heard about the bullet involves a close range, high velocity impact though where the bullet expanded too rapidly and didn't penetrate that well. In almost every case the animal died, but tracking was just complicated because the bullet did not exit.
They are NOT identical and are NOT almost interchangeable. You posted a similar comment on another RUclips video. Stop posting FALSE comments. The real hotrod is the 7 RUM & there are wildcats faster
Hello and thanks for this review as I am interested to add all three of these calibers. So far I have not seen a rifle that shoots the 7mm PRC very acurate at all. I have seen the Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot plus the go wild and a Browning I forget the model. The ammo used for tests were the Match and the precision hunter. Have you heard of which rifle shoots the 7mm PRC sub moa or moa? I would love to know. Thank you and best regards, Tom
To be perfectly candid with you, the Ruger American and Mossberg Patriot are the two models least likely to deliver sub-MOA performance. They're certainly capable of doing so in general, but not all of them will. I've had fantastic results with my Christensen Arms Ridgeline FFT in 7mm PRC and it shot both the Precision Hunter and Hornady Outfitter ammo sub-MOA after I broke the barrel in.
No doubt the 28 Nosler is the hottest of the bunch but who wants to pay that much for a barrel burner that a lot of folks would have to take out a second mortgage to afford? Then average $5.00 per round for factory ammo, $2.50 or more per case to reload and not many of those heavier high BC bullets available. No practical difference between 7PRC and 7 Rem Mag with same weight bullet. If you want a new rifle go ahead and get the 7 PRC but there no reloading data available and you’re still going to get stuck with the price of new ammo when you can find it. BTW out to 300 or even 400 yards hand loaded 7x57 with 175 grain Nosler LRAB or Partition at around 2600 fps shoots flat enough and has plenty energy to kill elk grave yard dead. Happy hunting boys and girls.!😊
I admit the 28 is alot to get into. I think its pointless to have one unless you run 175-195 grain. Thats what it should have been designed for from the factory imo. Thats where it absolutely runs away from the others. Sure some 7 prc loads may get near 3000 fps with a 175….but a 28 nosler will do that and more with a 195 berger with the best bc available. 3200+ with the 175-180 stuff with good brass. Thats the price you’re paying for. It has that capability
Great pod cast. But one exception the 7 prc DOES NOT nip or come close to the 28 nozz. PERIOD. the only thing the prc has is lighter recoil. But I brake everything I have so its pretty irrelevant to me. A 195 Berger at 3150 fps is the cats meow that leaves the prc. Sulking in the corner😂.. but I actually prefer the 190 gr A tip for a game load. Too many reports of that 195 beger failing just bothers me. In talking about factory rifles yes the prc will beat out a factory 7 RM in performance. But if a custom built rifle with custom chamber 7RM beats out PRC barely but still would. Those 2 could be compared all day long. The great NOZ is on a different planet. Love the NOZ
Mistake! I think?! I shoot a 175 Nosler ABLR out of my 7 RM @ 2830 and get under half MOA groups with it. Advertised .648 BC. Its a handload and I haven’t pushed it higher but I think I can get a bit more. Because of that kind of performance I see no need to consider these other 2 7mm cartridges. The rifle, $278 Thompson Compass!!!! RIP Thompson!
That's a 175gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. I think they discontinued that exact loading, but you can still get the Bear Claw from Federal in other cartridges.
BC is definitely very important under some conditions and that high BC 175gr ELD-X does indeed matter a great deal to the performance of the 7mm PRC, but that's not the whole story. The whole series of "modern cartridge" design principles I described (and that are incorporated into the 7mm PRC design) are hard to quantify sometimes, but should not be underrated either. Like the 6.5 Creedmoor, the 7mm PRC just seems to shoot really well with most off the shelf rifles and with most factory ammunition. That's not the say that the 28 Nosler and 7mm Rem Mag cannot be accurate, but on average, the 7mm PRC will probably outshoot booth.
issues for me availability and range of rifles and ammunition costs for nosler in particular like the the weatherby you raised. then the shootability with recoil of course, not everyone is a ranger or special ops rifleman. the use of butt pads, right weight rifle and of course suppressors a massive deal. not interested in breaks as I value my hearing. barrel life is also a factor. all big issues in this comparison. your ballistic tables shows that the nosler efficiency fades away compared to the others as far as using the extra powder capacity and the PRC beats the mag easily in so many ways, not saying the old girl isnt still good just not as good as the new one, enjoyment and shooting handling the recoil on your rifle set up by you is the key in my view. then the availability of rifle, components to reload, factory loads and cost of course.
Are you comparing various factory loads or Hand loads? Cause....With a bit more throat cut out in a custom barrel for the 7mm Rem Mag, you can seat heavier, higher B.C. projectiles with the same results as the 7 PRC....Hell, even out of a SAMMI spec 7mm Rem Mag a 150 grain projectile at 3,000 fps is a bit neutered for comparison sake. There is no reason why you can't get at least 3,200 fps with a 7mm Rem Mag with hand loads, I have safely gotten close to 3,300 fps.
This is all with factory ammo. No doubt, you can improve the 7mm Rem Mag with a custom barrel, handloading, etc. However, the 7mm PRC can basically deliver those sort of results with an off the shelf rifle and factory ammo. I personally prefer the 7mm PRC myself, but I wouldn't pooh pooh a guy's choice if he went with the 7mm Rem Mag or 28 Nosler.
To much hype on The 7 PRC . A lot of data on it just isn’t true. You won’t get the velocity’s Hornedy clams . The only advantage to it is the faster twist rate to handle the higher bc bullets but Hornedy deception has cost them trust with a lot of people . They did this to look better than the 6.8 western. But this will hurt them in the long run. If I needed one of these I would go with the trusted 7 rem mag or the 6.8 Western.
Good video but prc very over hype there is a reason the old 7 still reign Supreme. Very simple just buy a 7 rem mag with same twist that they are now mass produced. Or if u are a reloader u can actually outdo the prc . Same with a 300 win and 300 prc . Very simple and people will see that and stop paying ridiculous over price ammo for prc and note also Hornady bullets so they make money all the way around 😂
What you're leaving out is that "Out of the box", the PRCs do what you have to force the Win Mag and Rem Mag to do. To get the Win Mag or Rem Mag to do what the PRCs do out of the box, you need custom throated and twisted rifles and handloads. If this is what you're wanting to do then have at it. With all these extra steps, you too can get the results that I'm getting with an out of the box solution.
If you have a solution that works for you already, there's no need to switch nor has anyone I've seen even come close to suggesting that. But if you're currently looking for a solution...you would be silly to go with a legacy cartridge and you are doing a disservice to anyone you suggest that to.
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I just finished watching you live with WhoTeeWho! What a great conversation. When you were talking about your Africa hunt with your 7PRC I couldn’t help but think I’d love to see you compare that with a 7Mag and like magic, here it is! Thanks for all you do, John!
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed this video and my RUclips live with WhoTeeWho!
I’ve had 7 Rem mag over the years and used it with success, seems to work good because it’s been around and used, the other 7 cal rifles will work too just depends on what you want. On a whim I bought the 7 prc and it was a patriot which is a fine gun but I didn’t feel like I did myself any favors over a regular 7 Rem mag, and I never fired the rifle and I needed up trading it off just because it’s really so close to the 7 Rem mag with comparable bullet weights and yes it can shoot 180 gr bullets but I’m not killing animals beyond 200-300 yards ever. So I like the 7 Rem mag
Nothing wrong with that reasoning!
Sounds like you've got the right one.
Personally, I'm going to probably get a 7 PRC when it comes to South Africa (also preferably a Howa 1500). Where I am in Namibia, we have plenty of space to reach out and I've taken Gemsbok out to 622m so far with my .308. For me, the 7 PRC will be the perfect platform to make those shots easier whilst also being an excellent LR target cartridge, which I'm really into, but the .308 doesn't really cater for that.
@@marcmoore4115 very cool yeah that 7 prc will be a great round and I may get one again someday not anything wrong with it, I know it gives another neat rifle chambering for others to choose from with heavy bullets so long range shots are doable. I see it being an awesome elk rifle honestly
Hey John. I am pretty sure I ran into you at the gun range the other day as you were shooting your 7mm PRC. I even mentioned the 28 Nosler in our conversation and you explained the difference between the calibers. I can’t believe I ran across your RUclips channel! Great channel! Good luck on your next mule deer NM hunt! Be blessed!
Ha, that's awesome. Small world!
I had the $28 Nosler first and just purchased a 7 mm PRC a week ago. With either of these I will not need a 7 REM mag. I have yet to take game with either but I'm very eager for whitetail season to open in November. I was surprised that the seven MMPRC ammunition was readily available in Hornady elite Hunter 175 at $45 per box. The 28 nozzler was $95 per box. Big difference!
Big difference indeed! I probably should have emphasized that point more in the video
I have several other calibers I would use on a little whitetail. I can take my .223 and kill them just as fast as these two calibers. .243 is more than enough. 50 years of hunting is all about shot placement.
I have used mainly 270 Winchester and 6.5 CM for the last 25 years deer hunting in Missouri. I was just ready to change calibers. My son started with 243 Winchester, 30-30 and moved to 7x57 Mauser about 10 years ago. I bought him a 270 win for Christmas last year so he will be using that this year.
$95 for a box is in 300RUM territory !
I am a 7mm snob, I love them all. The rifle I bought in 7RM was a thinner barrel meant for hunting. I built my bucket list gun in a 7SS which ballistically is in the same space, but in a short action. I ran into a few issues and decided to add a 7PRC barrel to that action. I just got the barrel and am too busy getting ready for an Elk hunt to pivot and work on it, but am looking forward. They are all great, but the overbore'ness of the 28Nosler has me shying away from it. The 33 Nosler on the other hand, hmmmmmmm.
Great comparison video. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
It won't be long until you buy a good 28.
I know it.
The 28 shines with longer barrel and slow powders. 26” min, 28” preferred imo. Mine shoots 195 bergers at 3160 in a 28” ADG brass. Its a monster
I’ve got a 7mm rem mag and 28 nosler
Rem mag is great for loading 160gr accubonds at 2950fps for up close work
28 nosler has 180gr ELDM hand loads at 3100fps that would have to be one of the flattest shooting and hardest hitting guns with manageable recoil and a radial brake
Also no issues with a 1-9t in the nosler at those velocities
Should be a criminal offence to buy a 28 nosler and cripple it with factory ammo not to mention how overpriced it is!
Man cannot wait until I get my 7mm PRC heavy barrel I have on ordered.
Awesome!
Too many 7mm Rem Mag fans think that the 7mm Rem Mag can be loaded hotter than the 7mm PRC. They fail to understand that the 7mm PRC can be loaded to higher chamber pressures as well as the case capacity does not really make it hold more powder seeing that the bullets much be seated deeper in the case reducing the amount of case capacity greatly. Too many delusional people out there. I believe the 7mm Rem Mag is a great cartridge it's just that the 7mm PRC is a little better. Very nice video. Great content.
Glad you enjoyed it! And you're 100% right about people claiming absurd performance from their 7mm Rem Mag!
Depends on the throat length and barrel length …you dont have to seat to sammi lengths. Seated out you wont eat the powder capacity and good brass certainly can get better than factory ballistics out of it and often better than book loads.
I'm really not trying to hate, but I'm not convinced. It just seems like Les Bowman got it right the first time. There's a reason it's been around since 1962. I love the idea of the 7mm PRC, but it just doesn't cut above it's weight. It doesn't like the lighter projectiles because of the twist rate and SPECIFICALLY chambered for the heavier bullets. Where as the 7mm Rem Mag, is versatile from 100 grain projectiles, to 195 grains in a 1-9" twist. Even 197 grain Sierra. That's where you have a custom throat for case capacity. Just not convincing. I can get ammo, components, and load data anywhere in the world for the 7mm Rem Mag, I can't say the same for the 7MM PRC or 28 Nosler. Hmm. Just not convincing, great content. Thank you!
Your data would be correct if the velocity of the 7prc was correct with factory ammo. However it's 150 fps slower.
Yes and no. The details matter a lot with 7mm PRC velocities. Learn more here: ruclips.net/video/4z28TJTQ-Rg/видео.html
Barrel length and factory ammo manufacturer make big difference! Federals numbers are more accurate.
@@jaymiller393even Federal seems to be quite a bit slower than advertised nowadays. Nothing I have fed my 7PRC seems to be anywhere close to advertised. Still accurate as hell but SLOW.
The big difference between 7prc and 28 nosler is whether you absolutely *need* to magazine feed 185gr+ bullets from a long action. If you're OK hand feeding or moving to a magnum action, 28 nosler is your choice. If you're looking for mag feeding in a regular long action, 7mm prc. That's it, that's what all the commotion is about
7mm Weatherby mag came before all of them and is as good as any of them. Honorable mentions 7mm STW and the ultimate 7mm RUM.
What’s holding it back is it’s only factory rifles coming in a 1-10 twist so you’re limited to low to mid weight bullets. 7rum is the fastest but with what you’re gaining with that much more powder and needing a 28inch barrel to get it’s true potential, the 28 nosler is the better choice.
BUTTT… Now you can run 175 ELDXs in a 28 Nosler as they are making them in 1 in 8 twist. 28 Nosler is the King all around
Who besides Browning now mass produces 28 Nosler rifles with a 1:8 twist?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblogweatherby does. Seekins did offer 1:8.6. Fierce made 1:8.5’s. 175 eldx should/may stabilize in a 9t depending on altitude at the velocities the nosler generates. Stability calcs are close to 1.5
@@ThebiggamehuntingblogSavage 110 ultralite has 1/8.4
This 7PRC sounds like a hell of a round. Looks like I'll be doing some shopping on boxing day for some good deals.
Great video, The PRC sounds to be the best round but the 7 mag will do everything I need.
I really want a 7mm PRC. But here are two problems that keep me from buying one: I am a reloader and at this time there is virtually no brass available for purchase. I am not interested in a gun that would just sit in the safe because I can't find brass. The second reason is I am not sure that it will shoot the weight bullets that I want. There is a fairly popular RUclips channel that the guy recently purchased a 7mm PRC. He LOVES the cartridge, but said the PRC hates light weight bullets and really only shoots the heavy stuff accurately. I am not interested in shooting a 180g bullet at 2900 fps. I want a 7mm that will shoot a 160g bullet at 3100+ fps. Nosler has a 160g AB and a 168g LRAB that I would want to develop. Both of these bullets have very respectable BCs and would do GREAT for the distances that I would be hunting at. I don't take 700 yard shots. My shots are pretty much always under 400 yards. If the PRC won't shoot the lighter bullets very well then I am not interested. I would love to hear from some people that have tried the 150-168g class of bullets in the PRC.
The 7Prc is meant to send the the long, heavy for caliber projectiles out to distance.
This isn't what you're trying to do so the 7prc isn't the right tool for your application.
Just buy a 7 mag
I think your over thinking it my dude. My 7prc is shooting the 160 cx bullets just fine. Their is brass available you just gotta get it before it sells out. It's popular so it's gets snapped up quick.
160 grain isn’t light in 7mm actually pretty much as heavy as it got before 7 prc came around
You just explained why you don’t need a 7PRC, the 7rem mag is your obvious choice if you want to shoot 140-170gr bullets in a 1-9 twist. I have a browning with a factory 1-8, and it shoots light weight bullets great as well as 160-180gr so I think it depends on the barrel itself.
I have both and depends what I’m doing tbh I’m getting a custom 7mm-378 made on a 28 inch barrel excited for this hotrod
I bought a Remington 700 BDL in 7 Rem Mag in December 2022 that from the factory came with a 1:8 twist AND they increased the magazine length to accommodate longer bullets. So, with that said, why would I need a 7 PRC?
That’s a big improvement from Remington!
I haven’t been paying attention, they have restarted production on the 700, obviously. Must have got some new people in who were ready to change up. After Mike Walker retired, there was a long dry spell!!
As a handloader, the 7prc is just a bit more efficient. But like me who has a browning with a 1-8 twist, I see no reason on trading it for a 7prc. Yeah it’s a bit more efficient, but you can’t compare the factory ammo options, brass availability, rifle options etc.. if I really wanted a different 7mm cartridge I’d go for a 28 nosler.
Watched this again. 1, the 7 PRC 175 ELD-X may not reach 3000fps? 2, is the ELD-X really a good big game bullet?
I'm getting 2,950fps with the 175gr ELD-X from a 22" barrel. It's reasonable to expect 3,000fps (or very close to it) with that load out of a 24" barrel. Is the ELD-X a good big game bullet? That's debatable. It seems to shoot incredibly accurately at all ranges and to deliver wonderful terminal performance at extended range. Every complaint I've heard about the bullet involves a close range, high velocity impact though where the bullet expanded too rapidly and didn't penetrate that well. In almost every case the animal died, but tracking was just complicated because the bullet did not exit.
7mm wby mag vs 7mm rem mag would be a cool comparison
They are Identical, slight case shape diferences, Almost interchangeable. The 7 PRC same performance.The hotrod is the 28 Nosler
They are NOT identical and are NOT almost interchangeable. You posted a similar comment on another RUclips video. Stop posting FALSE comments. The real hotrod is the 7 RUM & there are wildcats faster
I get that Hornady hates belted magnums....lol. That wasn't a thought in 1962.
Oh yes, I did not see sub moa with the 6.8 either so same question :) Thanks
7mm PRC verses 300 WSM recoil, flat shooting, bucking the wind please
Thanks for the info!
You bet!
Compare the 264's or so-called 6.5mm's the way you did these.
Hello and thanks for this review as I am interested to add all three of these calibers. So far I have not seen a rifle that shoots the 7mm PRC very acurate at all. I have seen the Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot plus the go wild and a Browning I forget the model. The ammo used for tests were the Match and the precision hunter. Have you heard of which rifle shoots the 7mm PRC sub moa or moa? I would love to know. Thank you and best regards, Tom
To be perfectly candid with you, the Ruger American and Mossberg Patriot are the two models least likely to deliver sub-MOA performance. They're certainly capable of doing so in general, but not all of them will. I've had fantastic results with my Christensen Arms Ridgeline FFT in 7mm PRC and it shot both the Precision Hunter and Hornady Outfitter ammo sub-MOA after I broke the barrel in.
Out of curiosity, why would you get all 3 of these?
No doubt the 28 Nosler is the hottest of the bunch but who wants to pay that much for a barrel burner that a lot of folks would have to take out a second mortgage to afford? Then average $5.00 per round for factory ammo, $2.50 or more per case to reload and not many of those heavier high BC bullets available. No practical difference between 7PRC and 7 Rem Mag with same weight bullet. If you want a new rifle go ahead and get the 7 PRC but there no reloading data available and you’re still going to get stuck with the price of new ammo when you can find it. BTW out to 300 or even 400 yards hand loaded 7x57 with 175 grain Nosler LRAB or Partition at around 2600 fps shoots flat enough and has plenty energy to kill elk grave yard dead. Happy hunting boys and girls.!😊
I admit the 28 is alot to get into. I think its pointless to have one unless you run 175-195 grain. Thats what it should have been designed for from the factory imo. Thats where it absolutely runs away from the others. Sure some 7 prc loads may get near 3000 fps with a 175….but a 28 nosler will do that and more with a 195 berger with the best bc available. 3200+ with the 175-180 stuff with good brass. Thats the price you’re paying for. It has that capability
Great pod cast. But one exception the 7 prc DOES NOT nip or come close to the 28 nozz. PERIOD. the only thing the prc has is lighter recoil. But I brake everything I have so its pretty irrelevant to me.
A 195 Berger at 3150 fps is the cats meow that leaves the prc. Sulking in the corner😂.. but I actually prefer the 190 gr A tip for a game load. Too many reports of that 195 beger failing just bothers me.
In talking about factory rifles yes the prc will beat out a factory 7 RM in performance. But if a custom built rifle with custom chamber 7RM beats out PRC barely but still would. Those 2 could be compared all day long. The great NOZ is on a different planet. Love the NOZ
195gr berger at 3,150fps? What load manual are you getting that recipe from?
257 weatherby in the new 307 meateater model
Mistake! I think?! I shoot a 175 Nosler ABLR out of my 7 RM @ 2830 and get under half MOA groups with it. Advertised .648 BC. Its a handload and I haven’t pushed it higher but I think I can get a bit more. Because of that kind of performance I see no need to consider these other 2 7mm cartridges. The rifle, $278 Thompson Compass!!!! RIP Thompson!
What's the mistake?
I have the deluxe version. TC Venture 7mm Rem Mag in a Boyds thumb hole varmint stock. Out shoots some of my $$expensive custom rifles. RIP TC! :(
Appreciate the video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done
Man where do you get those cast silver bullets?
That's a 175gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. I think they discontinued that exact loading, but you can still get the Bear Claw from Federal in other cartridges.
Good deal this was a video about BC. All you proved was that the ELD X, with the better BC makes the seven PRC what it is.
BC is definitely very important under some conditions and that high BC 175gr ELD-X does indeed matter a great deal to the performance of the 7mm PRC, but that's not the whole story. The whole series of "modern cartridge" design principles I described (and that are incorporated into the 7mm PRC design) are hard to quantify sometimes, but should not be underrated either. Like the 6.5 Creedmoor, the 7mm PRC just seems to shoot really well with most off the shelf rifles and with most factory ammunition. That's not the say that the 28 Nosler and 7mm Rem Mag cannot be accurate, but on average, the 7mm PRC will probably outshoot booth.
I'll stay with my 338Lapua Magnum
issues for me availability and range of rifles and ammunition costs for nosler in particular like the the weatherby you raised. then the shootability with recoil of course, not everyone is a ranger or special ops rifleman. the use of butt pads, right weight rifle and of course suppressors a massive deal. not interested in breaks as I value my hearing. barrel life is also a factor. all big issues in this comparison. your ballistic tables shows that the nosler efficiency fades away compared to the others as far as using the extra powder capacity and the PRC beats the mag easily in so many ways, not saying the old girl isnt still good just not as good as the new one, enjoyment and shooting handling the recoil on your rifle set up by you is the key in my view. then the availability of rifle, components to reload, factory loads and cost of course.
Are you comparing various factory loads or Hand loads? Cause....With a bit more throat cut out in a custom barrel for the 7mm Rem Mag, you can seat heavier, higher B.C. projectiles with the same results as the 7 PRC....Hell, even out of a SAMMI spec 7mm Rem Mag a 150 grain projectile at 3,000 fps is a bit neutered for comparison sake. There is no reason why you can't get at least 3,200 fps with a 7mm Rem Mag with hand loads, I have safely gotten close to 3,300 fps.
This is all with factory ammo. No doubt, you can improve the 7mm Rem Mag with a custom barrel, handloading, etc. However, the 7mm PRC can basically deliver those sort of results with an off the shelf rifle and factory ammo. I personally prefer the 7mm PRC myself, but I wouldn't pooh pooh a guy's choice if he went with the 7mm Rem Mag or 28 Nosler.
To much hype on The 7 PRC . A lot of data on it just isn’t true. You won’t get the velocity’s Hornedy clams . The only advantage to it is the faster twist rate to handle the higher bc bullets but Hornedy deception has cost them trust with a lot of people . They did this to look better than the 6.8 western. But this will hurt them in the long run. If I needed one of these I would go with the trusted 7 rem mag or the 6.8 Western.
Your 7mm Remy is underloaded. Comparison void!
What do you think would be a better representation of what the 7mm Remy should be doing
Buy the way my Browning hells Canyon is a factory 1/8 twist and a PRC isn’t even in the running!!!
The 28 nosler smokes the 7 mm prissy all day, would much rather have a 7 mm Remington, due to the fact of ammo availability
Good video but prc very over hype there is a reason the old 7 still reign Supreme. Very simple just buy a 7 rem mag with same twist that they are now mass produced. Or if u are a reloader u can actually outdo the prc . Same with a 300 win and 300 prc . Very simple and people will see that and stop paying ridiculous over price ammo for prc and note also Hornady bullets so they make money all the way around 😂
Glad you enjoyed the video!
What you're leaving out is that "Out of the box", the PRCs do what you have to force the Win Mag and Rem Mag to do.
To get the Win Mag or Rem Mag to do what the PRCs do out of the box, you need custom throated and twisted rifles and handloads.
If this is what you're wanting to do then have at it.
With all these extra steps, you too can get the results that I'm getting with an out of the box solution.
If you have a solution that works for you already, there's no need to switch nor has anyone I've seen even come close to suggesting that.
But if you're currently looking for a solution...you would be silly to go with a legacy cartridge and you are doing a disservice to anyone you suggest that to.