Both cartridges done great but I am a 7 mag guy it’s been around a long time and has really proved itself thanks for the video really liking the knowledge from your videos
There is nothing wrong with that I like the 7mm Rem Mag as well!! The differences are interesting to see both the real world testing and the corrected numbers for bullet drop, velocity and energy. We do our best to remain unbiased in our testing and showcase the results of our testing exactly as we get them! Not the best if you want advertisers but it's honest work. Thank you so much for your support and kind words! --Jeremiah
I laughed so hard when I read that!! It is a real problem I have too on some videos I will have pads down on the bench to help prevent this from happening but I do spend a lot of time at the bench! Thank you for the kind words and the good laugh! --Jeremiah
I agree in full I still love and respect the 7mm Rem Mag, but that 28 Nosler is impressive as well! Thank you for watching and for the feedback it is always appreciated! --Jeremiah
Excellent demonstration!! Unbelievable amount of power from both of those cartridges. Reminds me of, when I shoot my .300 RUM. Your rifles are very nice! Thank you for the good video..
Indeed, I also think that the hardware was just on the breaking point and the 28 Nosler sent it over the edge but it certainly does have more energy downrange when looking at the numbers! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Terrific cartridges well deserving of those long, slippery, high bc bullets. I found it remarkable that the Nosler showed such a difference in impact energy at all ranges with such a modest velocity increase. Beyond the mathematics of the shots taken at 400 and 600 yards I think that the most important reminder for me is that; while it's pretty easy to hit the 200 yard target with these rifles and cartridges, it's not really all that hard to miss at 400. No matter the equipment it's best to keep one's shots as close as possible to avoid unknown and uncontrollable variables.
They really are great cartridges, I think that is what I found most impressive looking at the velocity numbers I did not think it would amount to much of a difference between the two but I must admit my first thought was wrong and the energy difference was quite impressive! I agree in full there is a lot that can go wrong when shooting that far and there was a few times the wind got the best of me and I thought it was important to show those misses in the video. I agree with you in full I prefer to get as close as possible and I have plenty of blown stalks to prove it! Plus I think it's way more fun that way! Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Yeah wait until you see the full potential of the nosler. Just over 3000 fps is an anemic load with a 175gr. Even the factory 175 gr ABLR is doing 3125 and you can handload to over 3200.
@@Nick-sx6jm The Nosler is certainly capable of some impressive velocities, we stuck with the most accurate loads over velocity but you can certainly push the 28 Nosler a little harder with the 175 grain Berger. --Jeremiah
Remember energy is squared on velocity, so modest velocity increases cause non-modest energy increases. My 28 Nos 175gr ABLR with H1000 is 3166fps. What twist rate are you running? Both the 7mm rem mag and the 28 Nos are spec'd at 1:9. I had my 28 barrelled with a 1:8.25 twist.
@@WantingWilderness That is very true I think a lot of folks forget that but I think that is well demonstrated in this video. That sounds like a great load I am really liking those ABLRs in all of my testing so far. Thanks for sharing that info with everyone. Both rifles have a twist rate of 1:9, I would like a 28 Nosler with a 1:8 twist rate perhaps when we go to rebarrel it we'll do that along with a longer magazine to accommodate longer heavier bullets. Great question and thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
A family member bought the 28, I have not shot it yet, however I have a model 70 300 win mag, I have shot long range with it I love the rifle and the round, but damn it hurts when I squeeze the trigger! 😊
To be honest the recoil on the 28 Nosler is pretty similar to the 300 Win Mag but they are both great western hunting rounds and long range target rounds! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I have thought of using the old fashioned weighted steel plate and protractor to measure how much the plate moves when struck to measure energy but honestly the setup is simply too much for the amount of interest out there and without a slow motion camera it's nearly impossible to conduct properly. However I do like that idea, that may be something I look into for the future. We have a 7mm PRC long range video I am loading up for right now might make a good test candidate. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
I just started watching handloader tv and have found it to be very informative. I have been a subscriber to the magazine for over 40 years and I am pleased to watch the experts such as Mike Venterino on the tube. Keep up the great work.
Let me be the first to welcome you and say thank you for watching we are very glad that you are enjoying the episodes! I also want to personally thank you for subscribing to the magazine for so long it is because of good folks like you that we are able to produce videos like this and the series with Mike V. Hopefully in the future we can even visit with more writers and experts as well! Thank you for the feedback and again for the longstanding support! --Jeremiah
WOW, you talk about to much fun!!! That 28 Nosler what a power house! I've been thing about 7mm Rem. Mag, because I was given 50+ once fired Fed. brass. Shooting steel target is a riot!!! "Great video!!!"
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video and found it informative! We had a lot of fun putting this together! The 28 Nosler is definitely a hammer! Thank you so much for watching!! --Jeremiah
I were to buy either one it would be the 7mm Mag. Here in South Central PA I use the the 25-06 most all of your shots will be under 500 unless you hunt farms. My grandpa had a 2nd year production Rem. 700 7mm Mag and I watched him drop 2 doe on the move with 1 shot. The 2nd doe ran 75 yards and the 1st was dry. My uncle has that rifle now. Gd video and new sub here.
I am a big fan of the 7mm Rem Mag, It would honestly be hard to go wrong with either one of them. I have no doubt they would both get the job done. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch the video and subscribe! We greatly appreciate the support! --Jeremiah
indeed it was quite impressive, I have a great deal of respect for both of these cartridges! Thank you for taking the time provide feedback and watch this episode, we really appreciate it! --Jeremiah
Great video. I really enjoy everything you put out. I have had and used a Ruger M77 chambered for the 7mm Rem Mag for over 20 years. It has never let me down when it comes to stopping power. I have shot everything from prairie dog to moose with it and it what ever it hits it DRT. I love that stopping power. It does appear the 28 may have more, but not sure it is needed if the grip nut holding the rifle does their job with bullet placement.
Thank you very much, hearing things like this really make my day we do our best to be in depth, informative and honest in everything we do. That sounds like a great rifle in a great cartridge. I think you said the most important thing when it comes to stopping power, bullet placement, that is the key. Thank you so much for the kind words and for taking the time to watch this episode and comment!! Good shooting and handloading to you! --Jeremiah
Where the 28 nosler comes in handy is when launching 180grn plus such as the berger 195 ect at extended distance past 600 yards it easily out dose the 7mm rem mag iv owned both
@@stephenferguson6363 Indeed, the 28 Nosler is much better with the heavier 180 grain and 195 Berger bullets. Sadly this rifle is a 1:9 twist and the 195s will not feed from the magazine without seating them deep cutting into the powder capacity and can also effect accuracy because the bullet will have quite a bit of jump in this particular rifle. I do wish it had a longer magazine to accommodate the 195 Berger bullets. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Thank you so much for the kind words and feedback this video has done very well for us and helped put us on the map. We appreciate all the support and folks sharing our content with others and helping us grow. We couldn't do it without our viewers and subscribers! --Jeremiah
I have a deep respect for both of these cartridges, they are both great and it would be very hard to pick just one if I had to I think they both have a place in today's market and for that I am grateful, after all variety is the spice of life right!? Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I am 62 years old now so from a child I watch my family elders using the 7 mm Rem mag on the west side of Oregon for Roosevelt Elk and Back tail deer . We all liked the reloads using 150 grain bullets then came the Barns x and TSX bullets making a Hugh game changer in the killing the 7 mm Rem mag was doing at even greater range . I seen 2 large Roosevelt Elk killed by a 7 mm Rem mag at range I couldn't guess the distance across the canyons . Those 2 Elk had to be glassed on 14 power to see if they had legal horns for shooting them . I have many rifle's and like my elders I do own a 7 mm Rem mag in a Tikka T3 .
There is certainly no doubt that the 7mm Rem mag is an outstanding performer on game and it's ballistics are really quite good. I too love the Barnes bullets and it is generally what I use when hunting. Thank you for taking the time to comment and to watch the video! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Thank to you also. Yes I also only use Barns TSX as first pick for hunting . I have also GMX - and the old Norma Kalahari bullets which I like way to much. I have Nosler E tips. I know long use any brand of lead core bullets to shoot deer and larger game . I have driven a 150 grain 7 mm Barns TTSX bullet from a 7 mm Rem mag from the brisket to out the hind quarter of a Roosevelt Elk at 100 yards . Now that was pentation ! That Elk fell flat like a belly flop grave yard dead ! Not one brand of lead core bullets could do this shot then stay together . I also own a CZ550 in 9.3x62 Mauser which I load the Barns TSX 286 grain bullets. The 9.3 x 62 is a instant lights out killer of all game .
@@Lure-Benson I have always been a fan of Barnes bullets on game, they have always performed well for me. That is very impressive penetration! I have heard many similar stories and I believe it. One day I would love to get a 9.3x62 and do a video on that! I think it is a very interesting cartridge!
@@HandloaderTV I'm currently in the Pacific NW stuck here over covid travel issues, so where are you ? If you get over here then need to use my CZ 550 9.3x62 for a video review I could help on that . We have endless coastal Pacific NW forest here to shoot in. I also have 2 new Chronographs for loads to show video viewers bullet speeds . I have other cool things like a AR 15 in 17 Remington and AR 10 with 2 uppers in 6 mm -284 win and 6.5-284 Norma for a cool gun review . The 17 rem AR is about as slick of a AR which could be found ! The gun has zero recoil or any bounce when fired 17 cal 15.5 grain bullets . The Barrel is a Shilen from MidwayUSA .
@@Lure-Benson Sorry for the delay in reply RUclips did not ever notify me that you had replied! We are in the United States based out of Arizona. Sadly I doubt we'll ever be in your neck of the woods. Hopefully one day We'll be able to do a review on those cartridges I have always wanted to cover the 9.3x62. Those AR cartridges sound very interesting and I will have to check those out as they sound very interesting. I am always looking for new cartridges to talk about. It's just a matter of finding time and funds to conduct these projects.
Just came across your channel, excellent video and I have to say that .28 seems to have a lot more energy than advertised. Good enough content I had to subscribe..
Welcome! We are very glad you found us! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. I think the differences in energy are often overlooked or underappreciated, 162 FT LBS is a lot more than most people think. Thank you so much for subscribing we really do appreciate it and we hope you enjoy all the future content we have planned there is a lot of good stuff in the works!! --Jeremiah
The 7 mag softend the steel for the 28. I love the 7 mag and was considering the 28 but after seeing this video I think I'll stick with the ol 7mm. Just because availability of ammo and components, especially the brass.
I love both of these cartridges and it's so easy for the waters to get muddied when it comes to comparing cartridges. There is so much misinformation out there and we hopefully helped clear the air when it comes to that. There certainly is a lot of other factors to consider when selecting a cartridge and component availability is a big one especially these days! Thank you so much for watching! --Jeremiah
@@MrJtin69 It is nice to have options that is for sure, I have always been thankful for the amazing amount of cartridges out there for folks to choose from! With a 28" barrel that thing must get some impressive velocity! Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
They are both certainly good but the 28 Nosler certainly has an edge over any of the other 7mm cartridges out there. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
We would love to do more comparison videos provided that folks like the format and are interested in these types of videos. I do know that 6.8 Western is on the list but so far we have had an extremely difficult time finding any components for 6.8 Western, brass and bullets alike! At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
28 Nosler has more powder compacity, thus a bit more umpf down range, that said the chian holding the gong used during shooting the 7mm rem mag appeared to be welded to the support post, whereas the the connection tying chain to gong/chain to support frame did appear to not be welded, thus the flying gong when the 28 Nosler bullet smacked it, merely an apples to possibly an orange comparison? Perhaps I'm wrong about that? Both rounds are impressive, I recently purchased a Savage 110 Timberline, 7mm rem mag, it has an appointment with a Bull Moose & Black Bear hunt on the "Rock" come September, am testing different grain weights all summer long, at various ranges. Good shooting!
Indeed it does and based on what others are saying they have even more case capacity than what I measured. There were 3 different gongs used, 1 at each distance. All were welded or bolted at first with the exception of the last one that one was a but jurry rigged together. And of course once they were broken they were jurry rigged together as I did not have time to weld them back together nor did I have any spare chain. I don't think it was exactly an apples to apples comparison but it seldom ever is with these things. The more important part of shooting the steel was to confirm our velocities at distance and to double check our drop and energy chart so we could have accurate numbers represented in our chart. Indeed they are both very impressive, I really like that 7mm Rem Mag and I wouldn't hesitate to use either cartridge for hunting purposes. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
Great comparison video! I’ve wanted a 7 Rem Mag since I was a youngster, growing up reading all the hunting magazines. I have a Rem 700 SS in .270 Win. that will cut 1/2 MOA bug eyes with loads it likes. My other ‘long shooter’ is a Wby. Mark 5 Deluxe in .300 Wby. Mag., bedded, floated, ect., another 1/2 MOA all day rifle. Both were very good deals that just kinda fell into my lap. Maybe if enough people jump ship to the 28 Nosler there will be some perfectly good 7 Rem.’s for sale at a good price! LOL! The 28 does look impressive though, and I have nothing vested in the Rem., so who knows. The new 6.8 Westerner looks REALLY interesting, especially being developed with a fast rifling rate to shoot heavier for caliber bullets than ‘normal’ from the get-go, AND, the heavy .270 bullets not made before now. That would be a great video, if you could find one, and ammo to test it with. Kudos on your videos, good work.
We are so glad to hear that you liked it and found it informative! The 7mm Rem mag has been a favorite of mine for a long time as well. Sounds like you have some good shooters and it sounds to me like a 7mm Rem mag would fit between those two listed cartridges nicely! The 6.8 Western is an interesting cartridge it reminds me a lot of the 270 WSM but they did update the twist rate for production guns and the new bullets they are coming out with look very interesting to say the least. I am still trying to get my hands on both a rifle in 6.8 Western and those new heavy high BC bullets in .277 cal. Hopefully we'll find some soon! Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your experience with us! --Jeremiah
Hy Jeremiah ! Thank you so much for show us the 7 Remington magnum and the 28 Nosler ! I would like to say you, here know the 7 Remington magnum ( France always) but the 28 Nosler no , just some shooter and Hunter on RUclips ! The power of this ammo ! Wouha ! I think I 'm not born in the good country ! Lucky you be American ! God bless America !
Hi Philippe, Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate the kind words it means a lot to me to hear that others are enjoying the videos and find them informative! I too found the results interesting and impressive! I hope one day that your country too will embrace freedom, I am thankful each day that I do get to wake up in this great country even if we are not perfect and there is much turmoil amongst us currently. God bless you my friend and may God bless your country as well! --Jeremiah
@@philippedomon5178 You are very welcome I appreciate the kind words, I hope one day you do make it over here! I wish you all the best! God bless! --Jeremiah
Obviously they are both outstanding options for any & all appropriate North American game. I prefer the 7mm RemMag. I was surprised there wasn't a greater discrepancy between the 2. Great information & results. Thank you.
They really are and I don't think that you could go wrong with either of them. We also only tested the best load from our previous load development videos so I am sure with different powders and bullets the discrepancy between cartridges can vary greatly. Thank you for the feedback, for watching and taking the time to comment it is greatly appreciated!! --Jeremiah
I was amazed at how the .28 Nosler struck that plate at distance and with such authority over the 7 mag! It was awesome. Also, is that your favorite shootin shirt, Jeremiah? I’m sure you know you have torn the right elbow on it…😬. If my Gramma was still here she’d offer to fix it for ya!
It is pretty impressive and I think folks often times forget about how much 160 FT lbs of energy is on target. It is impressive, I had a lot of fun putting this together! Well that was one of my favorite shooting shirts sadly now it is just about retired thanks to the hole in elbow. I have a tendency to do that for some reason! I call it shooters elbow! I bet she could do a much better job than I ever could that seems like a dying art. Thank you so much for watching and for the feedback it is always appreciated! --Jeremiah
I have that same issue with my shooting elbow. If I'm wearing short sleeves I use a gel mouse pad, fits easily in the range bag. Long sleeves I use the iron-on denim patches or the mouse pad.
I own the 7mm Rem Mag and I love it. I am currently in a rewards program with Christensen Rifles and am working on getting a 28 Nosler in the mesa rifle.
I love the 7mm Rem Mag as well and I really have a new respect for it after this video. Of course I love the 28 Nosler as well and I think they both have a place in today's market. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
So update, I got the 28 Nosler finally. All I can say is, HOLY WOW! Took a deer at 350 yards, with a 154gn sst. I'm working a 160gn Nosler Partition into it now. The 28 Nosler is a laser beam out for a long way.
I have shot the 195 grain Berger from the 28 Nosler but I have not tried the 197 matchkings at all I think I have one box on hand. If I am going to do any more ballistic comparisons I think I will have to be a little more detailed in exactly what we are doing it how and why but I would love to do more in the future. I have a 7mm PRC that I am playing with right now along with a .280 AI as well. Those might be nice to add to the lineup as well. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
Fun video and thank you for sharing. I will say most of the comments were even funner. (My aunt was an English teacher so I hope she doesn’t see this comment or I’ll be deader nephew!)
You are very welcome thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! This one certainly drew a lot of attention and even more comments some of them certainly are interesting! I hear you on the grammar side of things I always blame the internet, for whatever reason grammar and the internet just don't go together! --Jeremiah
The 28 Nosler is the perfect long range 7mm in my opinion. Velocity, barrel throat life and ballistics. It has been around a long time with a belt ,the 7/300 Winchester Magnum .
I have always been a big fan of the 28 Nosler and I agree with you it really doesn't get much better than the 28 Nosler it is efficient and it fits in a standard length action which is even better! A lot of folks complain about the barrel life and I understand not wanting to pay for a new barrel but you are getting really good performance and barrels are a consumable they all wear out eventually. I have always wanted to mess around with the 7/300 Win Mag but never really got around to it. I would love to compare the ballistics of that to the 28 Nosler! At any rate thanks for taking the time to watch the video and to share your thoughts with us! --Jeremiah
@@kirkmartin2223 I have met Mr. Rich Sherman and am familiar with his line of Wildcats, perhaps some day we will have to do a video on them! I have always found them most interesting! --Jeremiah
I considered both when I bought my bergera hmr wilderness ,but what sold me on the 7 rm was brass ,bullet and ammo availability and cost ,the 28 nosler has a bit more umph but when you compare the barrel life on average and cost of the components and availability of factory ammo I went with the 7 rm ,,with great success with H 4350 ,4831,and H 1000 with 162 gr eldx and 175 gr eldx .
Indeed, the 7mm Rem mag does offer more readily available components however the 28 Nosler is certainly becoming more mainstream and gaining popularity. I think they are both excellent cartridges though and I really don't think you could go wrong with either. When you break it down it depends on your personal need and your goals. If the extra performance of the 28 Nosler is worth the added cost over the 7mm Rem mag. I love both though! Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts here in the comments. I think that is what the comment section is all about! --Jeremiah
I was really looking into this round because I wanted a 28 Nosler. Everything look great until you started to look around for gun, loading, and aftermarket part availability. I am currently getting the reamer cut to a .2845 freebore with a 1 and 30 deg throat. Then a 30" bull barrel with a 1:8.5 twist. Thanks for the great showdown. Both are excellent magnum rounds.
I think 7mm is pretty well established at least here in the US, however components are certainly hard to find, primers, powder and bullets still are hard to come by over here. Crazy times we are in currently. I do hope that the 7mm does become more popular though I have quite a few and currently feeding them is a little difficult. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! -Jeremiah
I handload and went with the 28 primarily because it is beltless. The cartridge in my Christiansen Arms Classic works beautifully. A lightweight hunting setup that I can ping steel at 1000yrds with ease. It seems that the longer range I shoot, the more accurate it is. I just limit the number of rounds I take to the range for this rifle or I would burn it out in a trip or two. I use Nosler brass, Accubond Long Range 175gr, and H-1000. I bought 5 boxes of factory loads when I bought my rifle and am on my 5th reload. The brass is still within spec and I've not needed to trim it yet. I'm in West Texas and a close game shot is 400yrds, and more typically taken at 600yrds. Wish I were still in South Dakota to try a bit of 1000yrd prairie dogs.
A lot of people like the beltless design of the 28 Nosler. I like those Christiansen Arms arms rifles, a buddy of mine just got one in .300 WSM. They seem like really nice rifles, I am hoping that he'll let me get some more trigger time on it in the future. Thanks for sharing your personal experience with the rifle and cartridge along with your load data that is what the comments section is all about. I love getting to read other people's stories and observations that they have made. It really is quite helpful! Thanks for watching!! --Jeremiah
I hand load with Nosler brass.I shoot the Berger 168 and 180 VLDs both with 81 grains of Retumbo.6 thousandths off the lands.The 168 is around 3250,never chronoed the 180s but it is consistent needing 1/2 minute more in elevation. Defiance action with a 26" Brux barrel.It pounds every target we have at my buddies ranch to 900.Then we shoot at rocks up on the hills,had to start finding new things to shoot at!Went out to 1870 yards no problem. 28 Nosler all day.
My first Centerfire rifle was a Ruger Model 77 with a 26-in barrel at 9 lb before I put the scope on it. And in the time that I own that rifle for about 5 years, I never shot a half inch group. If I had I would have tried to figure out what went wrong with it because at no time did I ever shoot a group and all the groups I shot were 20 round groups. And all of them shot into a group that the edge to edge outside diameter of the group was no more than .33 in. That means I was shooting a shot to shot spread of no more than .049 I believe I use Winchester brass with a load of 68 grains or 69 grains of h4350 and I know that it was three grains over the max load of any book but I gotten that load for 140 grain Spire point from a bench rest shooter and surprisingly it would shoot the exact same group with a Hornady Spire Point as it did for a Sierra Spire point. And they were both completely different design ogives on those two projectiles
That is exceptional accuracy from a Ruger Model 77 and I would say that is not the normal for those rifles accuracy wise, every now and then you do get one that is an exceptional shooter though. H4350 powder is an outstanding powder and has long been a go to of mine. I only wish it was a little more readily available these days but hopefully that will get better with time. That is surprising and interesting that they would shoot to the same point of impact. Sounds like you had an exceptional barrel on that rifle. I have noticed that well built high quality barrels will display less point of impact shift with different bullets. A word of caution when loading over maximum published data use velocity as your guide, if you are over the maximum velocity then you are over maximum pressure and your case life will begin to suffer and you will wear out your rifle parts and barrel faster. Some folks don't mind that trade off but one must be careful not to exceed the pressure that the firearm can handle and damage or even destroy the firearm. That said I have had some data where I was a grain or two above maximum load and velocity and pressure was still below maximum. That is rare but it can certainly happen. At any rate thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Great comparison ! 28 Nosler Obviously hits the gongs harder But there's no Freebees here. Also noted how much more recoil you were getting hit with!!! Didn't see anyone mention that? Was not recoil a Bit more stout?? I'll keep my 7 mm rem mag and 7 mm WSM Both with less recoil.. They haven;t let me down yet.. As one of your viewers noted it's all about shot placement; less recoil better accuracy !! Thanks for the video
Thank you very much, indeed it does but as stated I think the gongs were the weak point and that is why they broke, the proof is in the table 20:17 where we actually compare the numbers. Indeed there is more recoil with the 28 Nosler than the 7mm Rem mag and this is just one load of thousands of different combinations between the two cartridges so there is a lot of wiggle room from load to load but we just took the best load from previous load developments and put them head to head. I don't think there is anything wrong with either cartridge, Shot placement is certainly much more important, I would love to play around with the 7mm WSM a little bit more in the future. I am a sucker for 7mm cartridges. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I too have had great success with custom rifles built on the Remington 700 actions and I don't think you can go wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag either! --Jeremiah
The choice of cartridge has been prominent since reloadable cartridges were first available. In the early seventies I had 5 1917s that my grandfather had sporterized to some degree. Now this was in the time of the 'standard length magnum' something Winchester had popularized with a line of calibers from 7MM to 458. At the time there was the 30-338 a well-respected target round, the 308 Norma Magnum, and the 300 Winchester Magnum. At the time there was a lot of talk about the Winchester's neck being too short. Something that has been disproven. But after reading all I could, I decided on the 308 Norma Magnum. I had my gunsmith rechamber the rifle and modify the feed for the larger round. I have been happy with that rifle for 50 years but if I ever re-barrel the rifle it will be 300 Winchester for the ease of getting ammo. The moral is if they are close pick what you are comfortable with and can afford. The which is better is best settled over drinks.
Indeed it has been, and before that caliber was a major choice to be made among those with muzzleloading rifles. That is very interesting, I am quite curious about the 338-06 and that is something I want to do a video on eventually. I think that is a good choice it's honestly hard to go wrong with any cartridge these days and ammo availability is a big consideration, especially these days! I agree in full with that last statement, well said!! Pick what you can afford and shoot well, and often! Thanks for watching and sharing your info in the comments, I think that is what it is all about and it really adds value to those that scroll through our comments section! --Jeremiah
I shoot a rem mag myself and have dropped some big animals at decent ranges but that 28 energy and speed blows my mind. Be interested to hear the difference in recoil etc and shoot ability.
I really like both cartridges and they both work without a doubt! The 28 Nosler does carry more energy downrange especially at distance, I also think the location of the hit on steel makes a bit of a difference but the proof is really in that ballistic table we show. As far as the difference in recoil that is a tough one these rifles would not be a good comparison of that as both have brakes on them and the one on the 7mm Rem Mag is outstanding at reducing felt recoil. I would say it is comparable to a 6.5 PRC maybe even less. As far as shootability I would also give that to the 7mm Rem Mag. Mostly due to the brake. If you remove the brake from the equation it is also not fair due to the weight difference between the two rifles. The 7mm Rem mag weighs almost double what the 28 Nosler weighs so therefor once again the 7mm Rem mag wins. I would say if you are experienced with magnum rifles and the recoil dynamics and controlling it I think the difference would be minimal though and accurate shots could be achieved with both without any problems. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@joshlower1 Indeed I am sure the extra 2 inches of barrel would have increased velocities by 50-75 FPS or so perhaps even a little bit more with that particular powder. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
I have an old FN in .308 Norma Magnum that needs conversion. I’m seriously thinking about the 7mm Remington. Not quite as powerful as the .28 Nosler, but not enough to worry about, especially given efficiency and wear.
Matt, that sounds like a really neat rifle! I don't think you could go wrong with either cartridge, however the 7mm Rem Mag is certainly easier on components and barrels. If your not trying to squeeze the most performance you can from a rifle and 7mm Rem mag does everything you need it to then I think that's a good choice. Both are great cartridges and like I said consider everything and make a decision for yourself, look at the facts and your application. At any rate I wish you the best of luck with your conversation and I also want to personally thank you for watching and taking the time to comment it is appreciated!
Kirk, those Sherman magnums look quite interesting and I would be extremely interested in trying them out! They do look impressive from what I have seen! Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV It is pretty neat because my grandpa killed a big 6x6 elk with it in western CO back in the mid-80’s. He put a really awful synthetic stock on it, and the barrel is only.558” at the muzzle. It weighs around 7 pounds with the scope… recoil is horrendous. The bolt face has been machined, so it’ll have to be a magnum. Articles by Messrs Peace, Haviland and Barsness have sold me on the 7mm Remington. Keep the good videos coming!
@@876mpr That is really cool that you have a shared history behind the rifle, I always enjoy hearing such things! The rifle we were shooting is right at 10 LBS and with that muzzle brake recoil is very manageable and it makes it a joy to shoot! The 7mm Rem Mag is still a very relevant and reliable cartridge which I think we proved ballistically in this video. I wish you the best of luck with your rifle rebuild and hope one day to hear about the completed product! --Jeremiah
It was a whole lot of fun to put this all together and crunch the numbers and really see the practical, real world difference between the two cartridges! Thank you for watching and for all of your support that makes this all possible! --Jeremiah
Indeed, I must admit it even surprised me a little bit. I think that energy numbers downrange the difference of a few hundred foot pounds is often times underestimated. Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
Thank you very much, a lot of folks didn't like it but it's all good honest, real world information. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
In my hunting rifles I always hunted with Nosler Partition bullets and recently also started using Accubonds. Using 140 gr Nosler bullets I could not justify buying the .28 Nosler rifle to use the .28 bullets. 50% +/- extra powder for the same 140 bullet and only 200+/- ft per sec extra velocity, did not justfy my $$$. So I bought a Sako 85 SS 24" barrel! Thanks for the comparison!
I am a huge fan of the Nosler Partition and the Accubond as well, We used a Nosler partition just a couple of weeks ago to harvest a deer! There certainly is a lot to consider when it comes to cartridges and the amount of powder consumed is a big one for sure! I don't think the 28 uses 50% more powder but is certainly more than the 7mm Rem mag and it adds up when you shoot a lot! I appreciate the feedback and I want to thank you for watching! Good shooting to you and enjoy that Sako those are nice rifles! --Jeremiah
@@BlueTJay That is great, that is what we are all about to help educate folks and help them with research and share our knowledge with others! --Jeremiah
Reloder 26 is a great powder it is one of my favorites as well, also sadly it is quite hard to come by these days!! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to share your personal experience with the cartridge it is appreciated!! --Jeremiah
@@CARLPHILLY IMR 4350 is an outstanding powder and one of my favorites for the 7mm Rem Mag. I don't think you can go wrong with that combination! Thanks for sharing your personal experience! --Jeremiah
I was a fan of Reloder 26 until I did temp tests on it. Not even close to being temp stable enough for what I was looking for. Definitely an easy button for speed though.
I have a wildcat based off of the 7 mm weatherby with. 35 degree shoulder chamber cut for 180 grain and 195 grn bergers. It has a case capacity of 91 grains and shoots 4.5 inch groups at a grand. It is the best of both worlds...it shoots 195 grn bullets at 2950 using N57 or reloader 33. It has a 28 inch custom bull barrel so it weights 13 pounds..
That sounds very similar to the 28 Nosler and it sounds very very interesting, I do wish this 28 Nosler had a little longer magazine to feed those 195 Bergers I have heard so many good things about them and I have had great results single feeding them! N570 is a great powder for the 28 Nosler I have used that quite extensively over the years with great results. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment and share your experience with us and other viewers! --Jeremiah
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to leave a comment! We thought this would be the perfect follow up to all the testing we did with both of these rifles at 100 yards and confirm our loads out to 600 yards. It was a lot of fun to get to shoot both these rifles and crunch the numbers. Thanks again for watching and for the feedback!! -- Jeremiah
I have both as well! I really love the 7mm Rem Mag and I think it's a great cartridge but I too love the 28 Nosler and that is a go to rifle of mine! It is very nice to have the option though and when I feel like burning less powder especially these days it's nice to have a 7mm Rem mag in my back pocket, if you will. All that powder adds up! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Yes I remember when you tested different loads for that 28 Nosler 🙂 Both calibers are very capable to take any game at those ranges you shot, both are great calibers.
I believe I recall you commenting on that video as well! So thank you so much for the continued support! They really are great cartridges and It was a lot of fun to shoot them and have some fun comparing the ballistics of each of them! I think were going to need a longer range and better steel gongs in the future! Thanks again for watching!! --Jeremiah
cost of the calibres per shot with current costings and the decreased barrel life is massive even if you reload. I would call 11 per cent larger load of powder significant not minor
Indeed these days it is tough, and those are good considerations to make. Barrel life and cost is worth the extra performance for some and for others it is not. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Thank you very much the feedback is always appreciated! We greatly appreciate you subscribing it really helps us out! We are getting close to 10K we may have to do something special when we hit that mark! --Jeremiah
Thank you for the suggestion I would love to compare those two however at this time I do not have a Christensen Arms rifle chambered in .300 Win Mag sadly. If I could get my hands on one of those rifles I would be happy to add another comparison video to the queue! Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
28 nosler handes down I went thru 2 barrels and over 3800 rounds running 180 and 195 bergers and shot ranges out to 1500 yards and shot game out to 1100 mainly deer ect. I was running the 195 berger at 3075 fps from a 27" barrel with retumbo. The g1 bc is .755 for those 195 it out shines the 7mm rem mag at all ranges but no Flys on the 7mm remmy
That is really good to know sounds like you were getting nearly 2,000 rounds per barrel which is a lot better than what most folks are saying and more in line with my thinking. That sounds like a great load thanks so much for sharing it! I have no doubt that with different loads the gap between the 28 Nosler and 7mm Rem mag grows greatly. This is just one load of many that we have used. We picked these loads because they were the most accurate in our separate load development videos. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV the hybrids are definitely better they tend to turn e easyer and better on gamer performance. If you put the 28 past 3150 on a regular basis itll cook the neck faster but by keeping it at 3075 with a slower cooler power it saves the throat while still giving top performance also n570 is top tier in the 28 nosler as well I'm using in my 300 prc atm with 208 eldm at 3028 fps
@@stephenferguson6363 I have heard that as well but can neither confirm nor deny it from my personal experience but that does make sense. I believe that as well, I have had excellent performance from N-570 I used that quite a bit in our load development video on the 28 Nolser and it did really good. --Jeremiah
Got 'em both, love 'em both. For me it's never an either or proposition. It's more a matter of which one do I want to take. I use Retumbo for the .28, and Reloader 19 for the 7 mag.
Me too they really are both great cartridges and if you can swing both of them I am all for it. I hope you found the video interesting and informative and I want to personally thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
As much as I would love to, I sadly can not as we do not have the correct licensing or insurance to do so but I would be happy to help out with any handloading questions you may have as time permits! --Jeremiah
I would love to!! Sadly at this time I do not have a 7mm STW in my collection when I do finally get one you can count on a comparison though! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
That is a great question and we should have stated that more clearly in the video, we took the most accurate load from our separate load development videos on these cartridges and rifles and then tested them at distance and compared them. Both of those videos are linked in this video description if you wanted to check those out. Since we picked the most accurate load from separate load development videos the powders were different it just so happened they shot the same bullet equally well which speaks to the quality of that bullet. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I do believe it was a Hollands Radial Baffle brake and it does work very well at reducing felt recoil. I would compare the recoil on this 7mm Rem mag with the brake and weight of the rifle to a 6.5 Creedmoor with a 24" bare barrel. I would highly recommend it for the shooter it allows you to stay on target and spot your misses with a magnum cartridge at extended distance and I feel that is very important. The only downside to the brake is that it is loud but the reduction in recoil and the ability to spot my bullets splash from the shooters perspective more than makes up for that in my eyes. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
Indeed with this load they are very very close, of course this is just one load and with even heavier bullets the 28 Nosler really starts to pull ahead but they are still quite close all things considered. I would love to do a similar video with the .280 AI at some point. I am currently working on gather powder and bullets for that project. Hopefully before the end of the year! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Excellent Video and demonstration. I only wish it can be done using a 7mm Ultra Mag vs the 7mm Remington Mag. 10 years ago before the 28 Nosler, My Gunsmith in Montana and I started loading and the make up of a wild cat called the "7mm-Lapua". Its was Ironic when Nosler came out with the 28.
Thank you very much for the feedback and taking the time to watch the video and comment it is appreciated! I would very much so like to do more of these comparisons and perhaps even adding in ballistic gel tests as well if budget and time would allow. I would like to do a video on the 7mm Ultra mag and I would love to compare it to the 7mm Rem mag and the 28 Nosler as well. I think that would make for a great video! That sounds very interesting and quite ironic. --Jeremiah
Thank you for the kind words it is greatly appreciated! I can't say I blame you there, my personal rifle is a Custom Remington 700 chambered in none other than .280 AI! I love the cartridge and it has been my go to hunting rifle for a very long time! Perhaps one day we'll have to compare the .280 AI to the 7mm Rem mag! Thanks again for all the support! --Jeremiah
I’m a 28 Nosler fan. I routinely get 3100 fps with 175. You should of used Retumbo in the 28, rather than H1000. I use V N570 in mine and it really goes like a shot cat🤣
The only thing I would question is if those two videos were properly timed that would be more delay between the firearm going off and it's striking the target at 600 yards. But I'm not aware of how you set up the twin videos. If you link them together by time or by the shot and the action of the shot on the target.
If you listen closley you'll hear the report of the bullet striking steel picked up with my mic at the bench, it's delayed quite a bit at 600 yards. It's just hard to hear it over the target camera as you are getting that audio as well linked in sync with the camera at the shooting bench. The timing is untouched with the mic that is at the bench and that is where you would hear the steel being struck but it's hard to hear over the target camera audio but it's there if you listen closely. I suggest you do that.
All the Nosler cartridges are freakin screamers I figured it would be much faster then the 7 Rem Mag... I was considering getting a 26 Nosler or 6.5×284 built but ended up going with the 6.5 PRC because from everything I've read the other cartridges are tough on barrels. Now if I did a bunch of elk, moose, and caribou hunting the 28 Nosler would be hard to beat!!! Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment it is greatly appreciated! I thought folks would find this comparison interesting, I was surprised myself to find that there was only 125 FPS difference between the max loads with both of the cartridges in question. Most of the Nosler cartridges are screamers no doubt the 26 is wicked fast! They are generally harder on throats because of that. I agree in full though the 28 Nosler would make a great elk, moose and caribou cartridge. The particular rifle we have is also nice and light and would be a good option for sheep hunting especially when you have to make those cross canyon shots. A little flatter shooting and more on target could be very helpful. Thanks again for all the feedback it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
I run the 7 rem with 168 gr cutting edge bullets my reasoning between the two was barrel life and the fact I had everything to reload for the 7 rem. On that it is impressive had much harder that 28 hits if I was gonna hunt elk every year I’d go with the 28 hands down and deal with the cost increase to shoot a rifle in that caliber. Great video
I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and share your personal experience, I want the comments to be a place for folks to come and learn a little bit more and hear first hand accounts of why they chose what they chose. Thank you for aiding with that and sharing knowledge! I still love the 7mm Rem Mag I think it is a great cartridge and there certainly are other things to consider not just velocity and energy when it comes to selecting a cartridge for yourself. I do agree though I was surprised with the amount of energy that the 28 Nosler had over the 7mm Rem mag. Glad you enjoyed the video! --Jeremiah
7mm RUM is certainly a beast of a cartridge and it is the fastest indeed, I think a lot of folks think it's too much of a barrel burner and that is why it never got as popular as it should have. Of course a lot of folks worry about barrel life with 28 Nosler as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Having shot the 7 Rem for years, I upped the ante to a 7x68 V2- my development This puts the Nosler to shame. I have had one competition rifle built on that and am now having a sporter built
That is very interesting I am not really familiar with that cartridge but I have heard of it! That might make for an interesting comparison one day and may be something to look into for future comparisons and videos! Thanks so much for watching! --Jeremiah
@@nickvonbergen3928 That sounds very interesting I will have to do some more research on that cartridge! I am very curious about it from a performance standpoint and I also enjoy tinkering with wildcats. --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I shot open class with a custom 6.5x68 and then one day aroud the campfire we thought about a ultimate 7mm, so the 7x68 was born. I used this and a 260 improved to win the Namibian open class Bisley for 3 years running. If you are keen, I have started a magazie article on this ?
@@nickvonbergen3928 That is very interesting I appreciate you taking the time to share your personal experience. Sadly at this time I don't think we are looking for any writers and I don't really have much of a say when it comes to print editorial I just do the videos and write here and there. The editor of Handloader magazine is Lee Hoots and I would suggest reaching out to him, it doesn't hurt to ask especially if you have experience with writing. --Jeremiah
Ha ha truth be told not soon enough! It is in the works I have 2 .280 AIs one with a 24" barrel and the other with a 26" barrel. I want to do a video with both however I must admit that I need more brass. I am also taking the 26" barreled .280 AI on an Arizona Deer hunt and I want to wait till after that to do a video on it! However it is in the works and hopefully will be done in a few months time! I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and appreciate the suggestion! --Jeremiah
It will greatly depend on the bullet and the distance to target but there is no doubt the 28 Nosler is a hammer for elk, I have been tempted to use this rifle for my elk hunt this year. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Sadly at this time I do not have a 7mm STW but if we ever get the opportunity to do a load development video on it, I wouldn't mind doing a comparison of the two, however I think ballistically speaking the 7mm STW is very similar to the 28 Nosler. At any rate thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Howdy Jeremiah, not sure how I missed this video. The 7mm Rem Mag is my all time favorite going back to when I was 14yrs old. Thanks for another great video, keep them coming😉👍. That 28N is a real beast for downrange energy compared to the 7mm Rem Mag. I have to say I'm a bit surprised at how much wind drift there was at 200-400yds with that high B.C. 175gr bullet at those velocities. I'm very interested is seeing the same exact test performed with the 27Nosler vs. 28Nosler since there is now 175gr bullets available for the .277cal.
Hi Steve, Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment! It really is a great cartridge and a long time favorite of mine as well. Glad you enjoyed the video and found it informative! I thought it was very interesting when comparing the velocities I did not think it would make that much of a difference but clearly I was wrong when it comes to the energy the 28 Nosler is capable of putting down range. Wind drift is the bane of my existence and there were a few times it got the better of me when shooting this video! it is quite surprising. I would love to compare those two cartridges! I do have a 27 Nosler sitting in the vault all ready to go I am just trying to find some of those heavy .277 Cal bullets. It has a 26" barrel and our 28 Nosler has a 24" barrel so again it wouldn't be a perfect comparison but it's what I have and most folks didn't seem to mind for this video. So perhaps we can do this again in the future! Thanks again for watching and commenting it really means a lot! --Jeremiah
Would really like to see chronograph tests with these loads from these rifles, the numbers shown are quite perplexing and don't seem to match what we saw That 28 nosler was smashing the targets and literally breaking them, the effect on target simply looks far more then the 160ft/lbs of energy stated to be the difference which is about 22LR energy.........not adding up
We did do seperate load development videos on each of these rifles which you can find on our channel under the videos tab. I have to agree the difference seemed to be larger my only thought is the 28 was just enough more to be past the breaking point of my hardware on those steel plates. We did run the numbers though and they have to be at least pretty close because the bullet drop data was pretty spot on. We plan on doing more videos like this but want to iron out the format first. This was our first attempt and we learned a lot from it. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I really don't think you could go wrong with either as stated in the video. They are both great cartridges and will work well on game. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
You said it's the 160 lb of energy that caused it to break but at 600 yards I'm sure it's already had lost that 160 lb it had so I think there might be something more at play here.
After months of reflection from the time of this filming I have to agree with you, I think the best thing to do is examine the ballistics table that we put together. I have a feeling the location of the impacts on the steel had the most effect on the target itself. I also think I need some better target racks as well. I have found that many of my homemade designs are not up to par! At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!
Most of the rifles offered in 28 Nosler are 2k+ rifles also, which is bad for most regular guys. I have a 7 Mag that cost me $365 in a $180 Boyd's stock and a $20 muzzle break. Compared to the Nosler rifle, we are talking a major difference. Also, while it is a bit of difference in energy, you did shoot each gong 3 times with the 7 mag first, then followed with the Nosler. I'm sure the extra energy helped, but so did the fact that you already knocked them around. ;) Long and short is when I can afford a 28 Nosler firearm, I'll consider it. Until then, the 4 gr. difference can be made up with good powder choices IMO.
Indeed they are rather expensive and this one we are shooting is an ultralight rifle and you certainly pay for that, although it is very nice to carry in the field and balances well. That is true I honestly think the amount of energy was just enough to be past the breaking point of the chains used for the gongs I have since fixed this with new stands and chains and have not had this issue. Although I still have to worry about punching holes in the steel at 200 yards and in. Also keep in mind this is just one load there are many different combinations available this is just what worked best in our test rifles. There is nothing wrong with that, as I always say you've seen the results and now you can make an educated decision on what is right for you! It is nice to have so many options available to us these days! Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
4gr difference in what? The 28Nos is capable of holding way more than 4 more grains of powder than a 7 mag. I have a 28Nos shooting 195 Berger EOLs as fast as this 175 load he used in this comparison. A 7 mag isn't going to come close on that even if it's rebarreled to throat the 195s. No replacement for displacement.
28 nosler will never overtake or outsell the 7mm rem mag. It has earned its place alongside the IMMORTAL 3006 as one of the greatest cartridges ever invented.
You are probably correct there the 7mm Rem Mag is a classic cartridge but it is still fun and interesting to compare cartridges. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Yeah that would have been very helpful, I am actually almost done making some new stands for some future long range videos! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Nice video, if with somewhat surprising results. While I don't doubt your desire to produce a fair comparison here, it does seem a little odd and worth my adding the following observations and comments. There is something quite awry with your quoted H2O figures, given QuickLoad lists 7mm Rem Mag with 82.0gr H2O, while the 28 Nosler has 99.0gr. (Incidentally, in measuring to true my own 28Nos QuickLoad data, I found an average of 102.9 grains of H2O capacity in the same ADG brass as used in your tests). This all leaves us with an interesting question as to how with an efficient new case design (certainly more so than the old Rem Mag), and comfortably over 20% more case capacity, the results from a level playing field can possibly be this close? And for sure, the extra 2in Rem Mag barrel can't nearly explain it. (And just for added context; my 28Nos pushes 190gr A-Tips comfortably over 3300fps out of a 32in barrel and into sub ½MOA groups, all with zero pressure signs ;)
First of all Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment It is greatly appreciated and I will do my best to address your concerns. I think you have to understand what we did in this video. As stated we took the best load from our load development video on the 28 Nosler and our best load from our load development video on the 7mm Rem mag both videos are linked in this video description. We used the same bullet with different powders because that is what shot the best in our load development for each of the rifles. I didn't think that the numbers were off at all I even went back and double checked and came to the same water capacity for both cases. The ADG cases did seem a little light considering on their website they claim 101 grains of water but my cases were at 91.2 which is very close to what the Nosler manual states for water capacity. In regards to the 7mm Rem mag the Norma cases were 86.86 grains on average and the Nosler manual lists them at 81.4 grains. So in that regard they are not that far off. Perhaps I got a batch of brass of ADG that was thicker but that seems unlikely given their strict quality control. Perhaps my rifle has a tighter chamber and the brass is not expanding as much as in others I am not entirely sure to be honest but I know the numbers are good. As far as quickload goes I am always having to true the water capacity in that program while it might be ballpark it is almost never right on the money when it comes to water capacity. I do believe it is a more efficient design the 30 degree shoulder and the fact that it lacks a belt so on and so fourth. I also don't really think it was a level playing field I think in the future I will shoot a max book load and then I will shoot the most accurate load so folks can reference both and compare. I am sure with different powders and or bullet combinations the Nosler will far outpace the 7mm Rem Mag. Again though we were only comparing out most accurate loads from previous load development videos. Verifying our results and proving that the load development we do does indeed work at extended ranges and is very accurate while also showing trued ballistics with this load and how it stacks up against each other. This is just one load of thousands of possible combinations. There is also a big difference in a 24" barrel and a 32 inch barrel especially if you are using a powder that is going to burn efficiently in such a long barrel. I could easily see you getting 3,300 FPS with a 190 grain bullet. I have gotten approx. 3,000 FPS from the 195 grain Berger in this rifle with a 24" barrel within specified pressure limits of the cartridge. I hope this helps clear the air and address your concerns. I do my best to answer each and every comment but sometimes it takes a while so I appreciate your patience! I think it is awesome that we can jump on here and have such great conversations and discussions about cartridges and performance. I think that is what the comment section should be on each of our videos! Thanks again for watching and the great comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Many thanks for the excellent, considered & comprehensive response. While your H2O results remain something of a head-scratch & the best I can imagine is it's something of an oddity/outlier, I can't fault your interest in the subject & your attention to detail. Your openness to constructive discourse is also to your great credit. Cheers & Shoot safe... :)
@@paul.g.h You are very welcome thank you for your patience with my replies! That is a bit of a head scratcher, It very could be an outlier or the brass when fireformed and sized lost some capacity. I am not quite sure to be honest. I appreciate the kind words, we do out best to show everything and we want to put on the best production possible so I am always looking for ways to improve and am always open to suggestions! --Jeremiah
I bet if you shot the 28 first the 7 mm would be doing the something to your targets. Use all same equipment to hold the targets. If you try this let us no. Great vdo. With only 79 fps how are you geting 162 ft lb energy more
You may be correct, as stated the hardware is certainly the weak link in the target system. The energy was calculated using a Kestrel 5700 and the applied ballistics program and those are the numbers we used in our video here. The rough equation for calculating kinetic energy is, the bullet energy KE (in foot-pounds) is equal to the bullet weight (in grains) wb times the square of the bullet velocity v (in feet per minute) divided by 450,437. Often times folks don't realize how a little muzzle velocity can effect energy this was something I only recently realized when we started working on comparing these two cartridges. Great question and comment, thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Stouter steel stands would have helped, but as stated at 21:15 I think the 28 Nosler just had enough energy to break my carabiners as to where the other cartridges did not. I think they were the weak link in the setup. Thank you so much for watching! --Jeremiah
I never would have thought that 170lbs +- would have that much more effect. That makes you think about everything different. Gel blocks obviously aren't every part of the equation. A lot of people are completely confused now because they were taught that a 9mm is as good or better than a 40 when it's clearly not the case. 38 special 250lbs. 9mm 325lbs. 40 460lbs. Then the 45 starts to drop off but then the energy picks back up in the 10mm. Both 9 and 40 go 14in +- into gel and have similar bullets and wound channels, but that's insane what that extra energy just did.
Indeed there are so many factors that play into ballistics this doesn't even begin to scratch the surface but as we continue on I would like to do more videos detailing ballistics. Watching this video really does make you think about the differences in energy from cartridge to cartridge though. Gel blocks don't tell the whole story but they do help eventually I would love to get into shooting gel blocks as well along with another demonstration to display energy along with ballistics I think that would make for a very well rounded video. Sadly ballistics Gel is expensive and or time consuming and due to budget and time constraints it makes it very difficult to do. Hopefully one day as the channel grows! I must say though that I have a bit of a new respect for not only what most people would consider minor energy differences as well as minor velocity differences. I will say the difference between 9mm and 40 S&W is much more than most people think, I will also say that the big hole the .45 ACP is also more impressive than most people think. Of course we are skirting on the edge of a long standing age old debate! At any rate thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I thoroughly enjoy getting to talk about these things and share real world information with like minded folks! --Jeremiah
I did not calculate the recoil energy, both of these rifles have brakes on them and to be honest I am not sure how to add that into the calculation. However at 20:17 we do calculate the energy, velocity and bullet drop for each of these cartridges at various ranges. I will say the 7mm Rem mag has noticeably less recoil than the 28 Nosler in their configurations as featured here. Good question and I wish I had a better answer for you. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
As a 7mm fan, that wasn't a good comparison, 7RM v 28Nosler. If they both had 26" barrels and used the same powder, it would'v been a better comparison. Now, using H1000, with 24" barrel was a good move, because it's a faster slow powder than Retumbo which would give a more complete burn for that length. I use 27" barrels for 28Nosler, using Peterson cases, 195EOL and Ramshot LRT. The 7STW (ballistic twin of 28N) also used 27" barrel lengths and the 180 Berger, the heaviest LR bullet at the time, using H1000 was a great performer.
First of all I want to thank you so much for taking the time to watch the video and take the time to comment on how we can improve that feedback is greatly appreciated and is very helpful for improving future videos. This is the first comparison video we have done and there is certainly some refinement to be done. I agree in full I wish they both had 24" barrels but sadly we did not have access to a 7mm Rem mag with a 24" barrel or a 28 Nosler with a 26" barrel. So we were kinda stuck using what we had. As far as using the same powder goes I would be curious to get your thoughts as to what difference that would have made? I thought it would make more sense to take the best load that we worked up in the previous videos and use that for each of these cartridges. This not only confirms that they were good loads that we worked up but it also helps show folks that we are honest and the data we put out there corresponds across multiple videos. I also thought that is how most people would select their own favorite handloads by picking the most accurate load while still getting the highest velocity possible. I could have reworked a load that used the same powder but why not use the best load that I worked up across all the powders I tested for both rifles and cartridges, or at least that was my thinking. I have always liked the 7STW and Peterson makes excellent quality cases! H1000 certainly lives up to it's name it is a great powder for long range shooting and it has always been a good performer for me in many cartridges as well. Thank you again for watching and taking the time to comment! I hope to hear from you again and hope to catch you in the next video! --Jeremiah
I’ve looked at both but I’ve heard bad things about the 28 nosler barrel life. I’ve heard anywhere from 300 to 500 rounds before barrel is toast. Does anyone have an accurate count on the 28 nosler as a hunting rifle.
Johnny That is a great question and we get asked it quite often! I want to set the record straight as I have seen it. Our test Rifle has well over 300 rounds and is approaching 500 at the time of this writing. It still shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards same as it did when we ran the first 100 rounds through it. There is a lot of mystery surrounding barrel life with this cartridge. A lot of this is due to throat erosion like most overbore and semi overbore cartridges there is a lot of throat erosion. This can sometimes be enough to effect your bullets jump to the lands. This can seem like the barrel is toasted but in reality the jump to the lands has knocked you off of your node. I have heard this can occur as early as 400 rounds. Our rifle has yet to experience this though as you can see in this video My OAL is the exact same as the previous load development video which was conducted months and months ago. In regards to barrel life your millage will vary depending on how hard you run it, it's kinda like the engine in your car there are a lot of factors that play into it and not all barrels are created equal. However as a hunting rifle with limited shooting not getting the barrel hot, (more than 3rounds before cooling or checking barrel temp) I have no doubt you could get 1,000 to 1,500 rounds before needing a new barrel especially if you are using a good quality barrel like the Proof barrel on our 28 Nosler. I am not sure why there is such great concern over barrel wear in this cartridge but it seems to pop up anytime the 28 Nosler is mentioned. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
It also depends on your definition of "toast". Are you planning on hitting targets for score, or putting meat in the freezer. Many people say that you should not shoot game over 400yrds away, that means you only need ~1.5 MOA to hit a 6in target at 400yrds. I'm thinking you would get well over 2k rounds before you burn the barrel beyond 1.5 MOA. This is why we have different tools in the toolbox, choose the right tool for the job. Along with reducing strings of fire and barrel cooling, you can reduce charges or run heavier bullets to reduce barrel burn.
@@ChristopherKnN yeah my competition days are way behind me, all my rifles are set up for hunting only. My goal is to get an elk rig only set up. The rifles I have now will do the job but it’s my excuse to buy another rifle.
@@bartowpd342 If you reload you would love the 28 Nosler. I live in west Texas and frequently take game at 600yds, big whitetail, muleys, and elk. I also live less than 30 minutes from a range that reaches 1000yrds. I am just over 500 rounds through my Christiansen Arms Classic and still get under .5 MOA at 100yrds and can hit 19/20 shots at a 12" steel at 1000yrds. I bought 100 rounds of Nosler ABLR 175gr factory round when I got my rifle and I'm on my 5th reloading of that brass.
Several comments come to mind with your comparison between the two rifles. 1)--Data flawed different barrel lengths and different rifles, no 2-gun manufactures shoot the same use same barrel length, same manufacture, but different calibers. 2)-- How important is 140#'s of energy really?? It was breaking your gong, but that gong is not the size of a deer or elk,...ergo not truely valid. Might ;look nice, but it serves really no arguable purpose. Summation: I would really like to buy the 28 Nosler (I have the 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem, 7mm STW, 7mm Rum, 280 Rem, 280 AI). I was really looking forward to buying the 28 Nosler, but now with your comparison, I believe my WBY, STW, RUM out perform the 28 Nosler, but I did enjoy the accuracy. Send me any follow-up data, as would still enjoy the option. Cheers, Renn Daniels
I completely understand where you are coming from this was our first comparison and things were not laid out as clearly in this video as I would have liked. We essentially took the best load from each of our separate videos on these cartridges and compared them. It was not as in depth as we usually go and we were essentially just confirming energy, velocity and bullet drop with these two rifles. Accuracy testing was already conducted in the previous videos. As far as the 28 Nosler goes I would say it is very very similar to the 7mm STW just a little bit shorter if memory serves me correctly. It will fit in a standard length action. We plan on doing more comparisons in the future but are still working on the format and gathering components. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
You are very welcome thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! I think a lot of that all boils down to personal preference but I don't think that you can go wrong with a Winchester Model 70 with Controlled round feed, I have a few model 70s and all have been reliable and accurate rifles. --Jeremiah
I personally like having the options, we have so many cartridges it is easy to find one that fits your needs perfectly. We just need more unbiased testing of these cartridges ;) Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
First of all thank you for watching and taking the time to ask a question! Ammo prices vary greatly depending on what kind of ammo you want. It really depends overall for the same brand hunting ammunition I'd say it's tough a $10-$20 difference with the 7mm rem mag being cheaper but these days it's really hard to say with all the shortages and everything going on. --Jeremiah
Indeed my data was slightly off I was using the Kestrel 5700 to get close and then from there I took all the data and the real world bullet drop and "trued" up my calculations so that they matched at each difference shot and then carried it out to 1,000 yards if that makes sense. That is how we were able to come up with exact bullet drop data. Thank you for watching!! --Jeremiah
Thank you and thank you for watching and for the great question! I think I stated it in the video but they both have 1:9 twist rates. So really the only difference is the slight difference (79 FPS) between the loads that made that much of an energy difference. It is pretty impressive and surprising! --Jeremiah
I hear a lot of people complaining about barrel life on the 28 Nosler it is less than the 7mm Rem mag in general but I do not think it is half based on our experience the 28 Nosler has a barrel life of around 2,000 rounds and there are a great many factors that contribute or detriment to that number. The powder you use, how hot you get your barrel and the velocity you are pushing are all major factors. --Jeremiah
Jeremiah I’ve been a 7RM fan since the late the late 90’s, since that time I’ve seen new and longer, better 7 Mag’s that came along but didn’t stand the test of time. Like the Remington 7MM Ultra Mag, or the 7MM Shooting Times Westerner. For me the 28 Nosler’s barrel life is a big draw back. The 7RM can have a short barrel life as well, if the shooter uses the 120 Gr bullets with large amounts of slow burning powders. The way to lessen that is to use 160 Gr and up bullet weights with slow burning powders. Which brand of muzzle brake is used on that 7RM during your testing. Great video as always keep up the great work 👍🏾
There certainly have been a lot of them over the years and it's very interesting to see where they fall in line when looking back. i think the barrel life for a lot of those hot 7mm cartridges was a big draw back. With the 28 Nosler folks either seem to love it or complain about the barrel life, I know that is a major concern with the 28 Nosler. I agree in full and it really goes to show you that barrel life can vary greatly depending upon what you are shooting through a given gun. Thank you for watching glad you enjoyed the video! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTVI think 99% of people complaining about barrel life have never shot out a single barrel in their life. 28Nos in a dedicated hunting rifle is a lifetime gun for almost everyone. The ones who do shoot a lot don't complain about barrel life because they realize it's the cost of doing business.
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Both cartridges done great but I am a 7 mag guy it’s been around a long time and has really proved itself thanks for the video really liking the knowledge from your videos
There is nothing wrong with that I like the 7mm Rem Mag as well!! The differences are interesting to see both the real world testing and the corrected numbers for bullet drop, velocity and energy. We do our best to remain unbiased in our testing and showcase the results of our testing exactly as we get them! Not the best if you want advertisers but it's honest work. Thank you so much for your support and kind words! --Jeremiah
Spends so much time on the bench, dude wore the elbow out...that's good work, sir.
I laughed so hard when I read that!! It is a real problem I have too on some videos I will have pads down on the bench to help prevent this from happening but I do spend a lot of time at the bench! Thank you for the kind words and the good laugh! --Jeremiah
Long live the legendary 7mm Rem Mag my favorite but that 28 Nosler...wow just wow it is a hammer. thank you for this awesome Video!.....
I agree in full I still love and respect the 7mm Rem Mag, but that 28 Nosler is impressive as well! Thank you for watching and for the feedback it is always appreciated! --Jeremiah
Excellent demonstration!! Unbelievable amount of power from both of those cartridges. Reminds me of, when I shoot my .300 RUM. Your rifles are very nice!
Thank you for the good video..
Impressive impact on that 28 Nosler !
Indeed, I also think that the hardware was just on the breaking point and the 28 Nosler sent it over the edge but it certainly does have more energy downrange when looking at the numbers! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Terrific cartridges well deserving of those long, slippery, high bc bullets. I found it remarkable that the Nosler showed such a difference in impact energy at all ranges with such a modest velocity increase.
Beyond the mathematics of the shots taken at 400 and 600 yards I think that the most important reminder for me is that; while it's pretty easy to hit the 200 yard target with these rifles and cartridges, it's not really all that hard to miss at 400. No matter the equipment it's best to keep one's shots as close as possible to avoid unknown and uncontrollable variables.
They really are great cartridges, I think that is what I found most impressive looking at the velocity numbers I did not think it would amount to much of a difference between the two but I must admit my first thought was wrong and the energy difference was quite impressive!
I agree in full there is a lot that can go wrong when shooting that far and there was a few times the wind got the best of me and I thought it was important to show those misses in the video. I agree with you in full I prefer to get as close as possible and I have plenty of blown stalks to prove it! Plus I think it's way more fun that way! Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Yeah wait until you see the full potential of the nosler. Just over 3000 fps is an anemic load with a 175gr. Even the factory 175 gr ABLR is doing 3125 and you can handload to over 3200.
@@Nick-sx6jm The Nosler is certainly capable of some impressive velocities, we stuck with the most accurate loads over velocity but you can certainly push the 28 Nosler a little harder with the 175 grain Berger. --Jeremiah
Remember energy is squared on velocity, so modest velocity increases cause non-modest energy increases.
My 28 Nos 175gr ABLR with H1000 is 3166fps.
What twist rate are you running? Both the 7mm rem mag and the 28 Nos are spec'd at 1:9. I had my 28 barrelled with a 1:8.25 twist.
@@WantingWilderness That is very true I think a lot of folks forget that but I think that is well demonstrated in this video.
That sounds like a great load I am really liking those ABLRs in all of my testing so far. Thanks for sharing that info with everyone.
Both rifles have a twist rate of 1:9, I would like a 28 Nosler with a 1:8 twist rate perhaps when we go to rebarrel it we'll do that along with a longer magazine to accommodate longer heavier bullets. Great question and thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
A family member bought the 28, I have not shot it yet, however I have a model 70 300 win mag, I have shot long range with it I love the rifle and the round, but damn it hurts when I squeeze the trigger! 😊
To be honest the recoil on the 28 Nosler is pretty similar to the 300 Win Mag but they are both great western hunting rounds and long range target rounds! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
The carabiners breaking might bring up a cool point of a breakaway link to test true energy at target
I have thought of using the old fashioned weighted steel plate and protractor to measure how much the plate moves when struck to measure energy but honestly the setup is simply too much for the amount of interest out there and without a slow motion camera it's nearly impossible to conduct properly. However I do like that idea, that may be something I look into for the future. We have a 7mm PRC long range video I am loading up for right now might make a good test candidate. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
I just started watching handloader tv and have found it to be very informative. I have been a subscriber to the magazine for over 40 years and I am pleased to watch the experts such as Mike Venterino on the tube. Keep up the great work.
Let me be the first to welcome you and say thank you for watching we are very glad that you are enjoying the episodes! I also want to personally thank you for subscribing to the magazine for so long it is because of good folks like you that we are able to produce videos like this and the series with Mike V. Hopefully in the future we can even visit with more writers and experts as well! Thank you for the feedback and again for the longstanding support! --Jeremiah
WOW, you talk about to much fun!!! That 28 Nosler what a power house! I've been thing about 7mm Rem. Mag, because I was given 50+ once fired Fed. brass. Shooting steel target is a riot!!! "Great video!!!"
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video and found it informative! We had a lot of fun putting this together! The 28 Nosler is definitely a hammer! Thank you so much for watching!! --Jeremiah
I were to buy either one it would be the 7mm Mag. Here in South Central PA I use the the 25-06 most all of your shots will be under 500 unless you hunt farms.
My grandpa had a 2nd year production Rem. 700 7mm Mag and I watched him drop 2 doe on the move with 1 shot. The 2nd doe ran 75 yards and the 1st was dry. My uncle has that rifle now.
Gd video and new sub here.
I am a big fan of the 7mm Rem Mag, It would honestly be hard to go wrong with either one of them. I have no doubt they would both get the job done. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch the video and subscribe! We greatly appreciate the support! --Jeremiah
I have a 7 rm. wow. .28 nosler is impressive. Thanks very much
indeed it was quite impressive, I have a great deal of respect for both of these cartridges! Thank you for taking the time provide feedback and watch this episode, we really appreciate it! --Jeremiah
Great video. I really enjoy everything you put out. I have had and used a Ruger M77 chambered for the 7mm Rem Mag for over 20 years. It has never let me down when it comes to stopping power. I have shot everything from prairie dog to moose with it and it what ever it hits it DRT. I love that stopping power. It does appear the 28 may have more, but not sure it is needed if the grip nut holding the rifle does their job with bullet placement.
Thank you very much, hearing things like this really make my day we do our best to be in depth, informative and honest in everything we do. That sounds like a great rifle in a great cartridge. I think you said the most important thing when it comes to stopping power, bullet placement, that is the key. Thank you so much for the kind words and for taking the time to watch this episode and comment!! Good shooting and handloading to you! --Jeremiah
Lol- grip nut!!!
Where the 28 nosler comes in handy is when launching 180grn plus such as the berger 195 ect at extended distance past 600 yards it easily out dose the 7mm rem mag iv owned both
@@stephenferguson6363 Indeed, the 28 Nosler is much better with the heavier 180 grain and 195 Berger bullets. Sadly this rifle is a 1:9 twist and the 195s will not feed from the magazine without seating them deep cutting into the powder capacity and can also effect accuracy because the bullet will have quite a bit of jump in this particular rifle. I do wish it had a longer magazine to accommodate the 195 Berger bullets. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV true on a regular 30-06 7mm reg mag length action I had mine built on a ultra mag with a inter box of 3.800
This is a great channel! Thanks for all your info.
Thank you so much for the kind words and feedback this video has done very well for us and helped put us on the map. We appreciate all the support and folks sharing our content with others and helping us grow. We couldn't do it without our viewers and subscribers! --Jeremiah
Wow.
Very impressive.
Still love my 7mm magnum.
😁👍👍👍👊
I have a deep respect for both of these cartridges, they are both great and it would be very hard to pick just one if I had to I think they both have a place in today's market and for that I am grateful, after all variety is the spice of life right!? Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I am 62 years old now so from a child I watch my family elders using the 7 mm Rem mag on the west side of Oregon for Roosevelt Elk and Back tail deer .
We all liked the reloads using 150 grain bullets then came the Barns x and TSX bullets making a Hugh game changer in the killing the 7 mm Rem mag was doing at even greater range .
I seen 2 large Roosevelt Elk killed by a 7 mm Rem mag at range I couldn't guess the distance across the canyons .
Those 2 Elk had to be glassed on 14 power to see if they had legal horns for shooting them .
I have many rifle's and like my elders I do own a 7 mm Rem mag in a Tikka T3 .
There is certainly no doubt that the 7mm Rem mag is an outstanding performer on game and it's ballistics are really quite good. I too love the Barnes bullets and it is generally what I use when hunting. Thank you for taking the time to comment and to watch the video! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Thank to you also.
Yes I also only use Barns TSX as first pick for hunting .
I have also GMX - and the old Norma Kalahari bullets which I like way to much.
I have Nosler E tips.
I know long use any brand of lead core bullets to shoot deer and larger game .
I have driven a 150 grain 7 mm Barns TTSX bullet from a 7 mm Rem mag from the brisket to out the hind quarter of a Roosevelt Elk at 100 yards .
Now that was pentation !
That Elk fell flat like a belly flop grave yard dead !
Not one brand of lead core bullets could do this shot then stay together .
I also own a CZ550 in 9.3x62 Mauser which I load the Barns TSX 286 grain bullets.
The 9.3 x 62 is a instant lights out killer of all game .
@@Lure-Benson I have always been a fan of Barnes bullets on game, they have always performed well for me. That is very impressive penetration! I have heard many similar stories and I believe it. One day I would love to get a 9.3x62 and do a video on that! I think it is a very interesting cartridge!
@@HandloaderTV I'm currently in the Pacific NW stuck here over covid travel issues, so where are you ?
If you get over here then need to use my CZ 550 9.3x62 for a video review I could help on that .
We have endless coastal Pacific NW forest here to shoot in.
I also have 2 new Chronographs for loads to show video viewers bullet speeds .
I have other cool things like a AR 15 in 17 Remington and AR 10 with 2 uppers in 6 mm -284 win and 6.5-284 Norma for a cool gun review .
The 17 rem AR is about as slick of a AR which could be found !
The gun has zero recoil or any bounce when fired 17 cal 15.5 grain bullets .
The Barrel is a Shilen from MidwayUSA .
@@Lure-Benson Sorry for the delay in reply RUclips did not ever notify me that you had replied! We are in the United States based out of Arizona. Sadly I doubt we'll ever be in your neck of the woods. Hopefully one day We'll be able to do a review on those cartridges I have always wanted to cover the 9.3x62. Those AR cartridges sound very interesting and I will have to check those out as they sound very interesting. I am always looking for new cartridges to talk about. It's just a matter of finding time and funds to conduct these projects.
Just came across your channel, excellent video and I have to say that .28 seems to have a lot more energy than advertised. Good enough content I had to subscribe..
Welcome! We are very glad you found us! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. I think the differences in energy are often overlooked or underappreciated, 162 FT LBS is a lot more than most people think. Thank you so much for subscribing we really do appreciate it and we hope you enjoy all the future content we have planned there is a lot of good stuff in the works!! --Jeremiah
The 7 mag softend the steel for the 28. I love the 7 mag and was considering the 28 but after seeing this video I think I'll stick with the ol 7mm. Just because availability of ammo and components, especially the brass.
I love both of these cartridges and it's so easy for the waters to get muddied when it comes to comparing cartridges. There is so much misinformation out there and we hopefully helped clear the air when it comes to that. There certainly is a lot of other factors to consider when selecting a cartridge and component availability is a big one especially these days! Thank you so much for watching! --Jeremiah
I'll stick with my 30-378 weatherby magnum in a 28 inch barrel :)
@@MrJtin69 cool story.
@@MrJtin69 Are you a 13 Bravo?
@@MrJtin69 It is nice to have options that is for sure, I have always been thankful for the amazing amount of cartridges out there for folks to choose from! With a 28" barrel that thing must get some impressive velocity! Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
28 Nosler is a kick butt cartridge! If you need to shoot 1000 yds.+ this is the one
They are both certainly good but the 28 Nosler certainly has an edge over any of the other 7mm cartridges out there. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I would like to see a comparison of the 7mm rem and the new 6.8 western
We would love to do more comparison videos provided that folks like the format and are interested in these types of videos. I do know that 6.8 Western is on the list but so far we have had an extremely difficult time finding any components for 6.8 Western, brass and bullets alike! At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
28 Nosler has more powder compacity, thus a bit more umpf down range, that said the chian holding the gong used during shooting the 7mm rem mag appeared to be welded to the support post, whereas the the connection tying chain to gong/chain to support frame did appear to not be welded, thus the flying gong when the 28 Nosler bullet smacked it, merely an apples to possibly an orange comparison? Perhaps I'm wrong about that?
Both rounds are impressive, I recently purchased a Savage 110 Timberline, 7mm rem mag, it has an appointment with a Bull Moose & Black Bear hunt on the "Rock" come September, am testing different grain weights all summer long, at various ranges.
Good shooting!
Indeed it does and based on what others are saying they have even more case capacity than what I measured. There were 3 different gongs used, 1 at each distance. All were welded or bolted at first with the exception of the last one that one was a but jurry rigged together. And of course once they were broken they were jurry rigged together as I did not have time to weld them back together nor did I have any spare chain. I don't think it was exactly an apples to apples comparison but it seldom ever is with these things. The more important part of shooting the steel was to confirm our velocities at distance and to double check our drop and energy chart so we could have accurate numbers represented in our chart. Indeed they are both very impressive, I really like that 7mm Rem Mag and I wouldn't hesitate to use either cartridge for hunting purposes. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
Great comparison video! I’ve wanted a 7 Rem Mag since I was a youngster, growing up reading all the hunting magazines. I have a Rem 700 SS in .270 Win. that will cut 1/2 MOA bug eyes with loads it likes. My other ‘long shooter’ is a Wby. Mark 5 Deluxe in .300 Wby. Mag., bedded, floated, ect., another 1/2 MOA all day rifle. Both were very good deals that just kinda fell into my lap. Maybe if enough people jump ship to the 28 Nosler there will be some perfectly good 7 Rem.’s for sale at a good price! LOL! The 28 does look impressive though, and I have nothing vested in the Rem., so who knows. The new 6.8 Westerner looks REALLY interesting, especially being developed with a fast rifling rate to shoot heavier for caliber bullets than ‘normal’ from the get-go, AND, the heavy .270 bullets not made before now.
That would be a great video, if you could find one, and ammo to test it with. Kudos on your videos, good work.
We are so glad to hear that you liked it and found it informative! The 7mm Rem mag has been a favorite of mine for a long time as well. Sounds like you have some good shooters and it sounds to me like a 7mm Rem mag would fit between those two listed cartridges nicely! The 6.8 Western is an interesting cartridge it reminds me a lot of the 270 WSM but they did update the twist rate for production guns and the new bullets they are coming out with look very interesting to say the least. I am still trying to get my hands on both a rifle in 6.8 Western and those new heavy high BC bullets in .277 cal. Hopefully we'll find some soon! Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your experience with us! --Jeremiah
Hy Jeremiah ! Thank you so much for show us the 7 Remington magnum and the 28 Nosler ! I would like to say you, here know the 7 Remington magnum ( France always) but the 28 Nosler no , just some shooter and Hunter on RUclips ! The power of this ammo ! Wouha ! I think I 'm not born in the good country ! Lucky you be American ! God bless America !
Hi Philippe, Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate the kind words it means a lot to me to hear that others are enjoying the videos and find them informative! I too found the results interesting and impressive! I hope one day that your country too will embrace freedom, I am thankful each day that I do get to wake up in this great country even if we are not perfect and there is much turmoil amongst us currently. God bless you my friend and may God bless your country as well! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV thank you so much Jeremiah ! I hope to make a trip on your very nice country ! God bless you and your family !
Philippe
@@philippedomon5178 You are very welcome I appreciate the kind words, I hope one day you do make it over here! I wish you all the best! God bless! --Jeremiah
Obviously they are both outstanding options for any & all appropriate North American game. I prefer the 7mm RemMag. I was surprised there wasn't a greater discrepancy between the 2. Great information & results. Thank you.
They really are and I don't think that you could go wrong with either of them. We also only tested the best load from our previous load development videos so I am sure with different powders and bullets the discrepancy between cartridges can vary greatly. Thank you for the feedback, for watching and taking the time to comment it is greatly appreciated!! --Jeremiah
Also, the 2" barrel length difference, 24" on the Nosler and 26" on the 7mm. That closed the gap a bit.
I was amazed at how the .28 Nosler struck that plate at distance and with such authority over the 7 mag! It was awesome. Also, is that your favorite shootin shirt, Jeremiah? I’m sure you know you have torn the right elbow on it…😬. If my Gramma was still here she’d offer to fix it for ya!
It is pretty impressive and I think folks often times forget about how much 160 FT lbs of energy is on target. It is impressive, I had a lot of fun putting this together! Well that was one of my favorite shooting shirts sadly now it is just about retired thanks to the hole in elbow. I have a tendency to do that for some reason! I call it shooters elbow! I bet she could do a much better job than I ever could that seems like a dying art. Thank you so much for watching and for the feedback it is always appreciated! --Jeremiah
I have that same issue with my shooting elbow. If I'm wearing short sleeves I use a gel mouse pad, fits easily in the range bag. Long sleeves I use the iron-on denim patches or the mouse pad.
I own the 7mm Rem Mag and I love it.
I am currently in a rewards program with Christensen Rifles and am working on getting a 28 Nosler in the mesa rifle.
I love the 7mm Rem Mag as well and I really have a new respect for it after this video. Of course I love the 28 Nosler as well and I think they both have a place in today's market. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
So update, I got the 28 Nosler finally. All I can say is, HOLY WOW! Took a deer at 350 yards, with a 154gn sst. I'm working a 160gn Nosler Partition into it now. The 28 Nosler is a laser beam out for a long way.
I would like to see these two cases compared with either the 195 Berger’s or the 197 Sierra match kings
I have shot the 195 grain Berger from the 28 Nosler but I have not tried the 197 matchkings at all I think I have one box on hand. If I am going to do any more ballistic comparisons I think I will have to be a little more detailed in exactly what we are doing it how and why but I would love to do more in the future. I have a 7mm PRC that I am playing with right now along with a .280 AI as well. Those might be nice to add to the lineup as well. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
Fun video and thank you for sharing. I will say most of the comments were even funner. (My aunt was an English teacher so I hope she doesn’t see this comment or I’ll be deader nephew!)
You are very welcome thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! This one certainly drew a lot of attention and even more comments some of them certainly are interesting! I hear you on the grammar side of things I always blame the internet, for whatever reason grammar and the internet just don't go together! --Jeremiah
The 28 Nosler is the perfect long range 7mm in my opinion. Velocity, barrel throat life and ballistics. It has been around a long time with a belt ,the 7/300 Winchester Magnum .
I have always been a big fan of the 28 Nosler and I agree with you it really doesn't get much better than the 28 Nosler it is efficient and it fits in a standard length action which is even better! A lot of folks complain about the barrel life and I understand not wanting to pay for a new barrel but you are getting really good performance and barrels are a consumable they all wear out eventually. I have always wanted to mess around with the 7/300 Win Mag but never really got around to it. I would love to compare the ballistics of that to the 28 Nosler! At any rate thanks for taking the time to watch the video and to share your thoughts with us! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I've been messing around with a 7-300prc. It's cool but I wish I would have just done one of the 7mm sherman magnums.
@@kirkmartin2223 I have met Mr. Rich Sherman and am familiar with his line of Wildcats, perhaps some day we will have to do a video on them! I have always found them most interesting! --Jeremiah
I considered both when I bought my bergera hmr wilderness ,but what sold me on the 7 rm was brass ,bullet and ammo availability and cost ,the 28 nosler has a bit more umph but when you compare the barrel life on average and cost of the components and availability of factory ammo I went with the 7 rm ,,with great success with H 4350 ,4831,and H 1000 with 162 gr eldx and 175 gr eldx .
Indeed, the 7mm Rem mag does offer more readily available components however the 28 Nosler is certainly becoming more mainstream and gaining popularity. I think they are both excellent cartridges though and I really don't think you could go wrong with either. When you break it down it depends on your personal need and your goals. If the extra performance of the 28 Nosler is worth the added cost over the 7mm Rem mag. I love both though! Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts here in the comments. I think that is what the comment section is all about! --Jeremiah
I was really looking into this round because I wanted a 28 Nosler. Everything look great until you started to look around for gun, loading, and aftermarket part availability. I am currently getting the reamer cut to a .2845 freebore with a 1 and 30 deg throat. Then a 30" bull barrel with a 1:8.5 twist. Thanks for the great showdown. Both are excellent magnum rounds.
I think 7mm is pretty well established at least here in the US, however components are certainly hard to find, primers, powder and bullets still are hard to come by over here. Crazy times we are in currently. I do hope that the 7mm does become more popular though I have quite a few and currently feeding them is a little difficult. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! -Jeremiah
I handload and went with the 28 primarily because it is beltless. The cartridge in my Christiansen Arms Classic works beautifully. A lightweight hunting setup that I can ping steel at 1000yrds with ease. It seems that the longer range I shoot, the more accurate it is. I just limit the number of rounds I take to the range for this rifle or I would burn it out in a trip or two. I use Nosler brass, Accubond Long Range 175gr, and H-1000. I bought 5 boxes of factory loads when I bought my rifle and am on my 5th reload. The brass is still within spec and I've not needed to trim it yet. I'm in West Texas and a close game shot is 400yrds, and more typically taken at 600yrds. Wish I were still in South Dakota to try a bit of 1000yrd prairie dogs.
A lot of people like the beltless design of the 28 Nosler. I like those Christiansen Arms arms rifles, a buddy of mine just got one in .300 WSM. They seem like really nice rifles, I am hoping that he'll let me get some more trigger time on it in the future. Thanks for sharing your personal experience with the rifle and cartridge along with your load data that is what the comments section is all about. I love getting to read other people's stories and observations that they have made. It really is quite helpful! Thanks for watching!! --Jeremiah
I hand load with Nosler brass.I shoot the Berger 168 and 180 VLDs both with 81 grains of Retumbo.6 thousandths off the lands.The 168 is around 3250,never chronoed the 180s but it is consistent needing 1/2 minute more in elevation.
Defiance action with a 26" Brux barrel.It pounds every target we have at my buddies ranch to 900.Then we shoot at rocks up on the hills,had to start finding new things to shoot at!Went out to 1870 yards no problem.
28 Nosler all day.
My first Centerfire rifle was a Ruger Model 77 with a 26-in barrel at 9 lb before I put the scope on it. And in the time that I own that rifle for about 5 years, I never shot a half inch group. If I had I would have tried to figure out what went wrong with it because at no time did I ever shoot a group and all the groups I shot were 20 round groups. And all of them shot into a group that the edge to edge outside diameter of the group was no more than .33 in. That means I was shooting a shot to shot spread of no more than .049
I believe I use Winchester brass with a load of 68 grains or 69 grains of h4350 and I know that it was three grains over the max load of any book but I gotten that load for 140 grain Spire point from a bench rest shooter and surprisingly it would shoot the exact same group with a Hornady Spire Point as it did for a Sierra Spire point. And they were both completely different design ogives on those two projectiles
That is exceptional accuracy from a Ruger Model 77 and I would say that is not the normal for those rifles accuracy wise, every now and then you do get one that is an exceptional shooter though. H4350 powder is an outstanding powder and has long been a go to of mine. I only wish it was a little more readily available these days but hopefully that will get better with time. That is surprising and interesting that they would shoot to the same point of impact. Sounds like you had an exceptional barrel on that rifle. I have noticed that well built high quality barrels will display less point of impact shift with different bullets. A word of caution when loading over maximum published data use velocity as your guide, if you are over the maximum velocity then you are over maximum pressure and your case life will begin to suffer and you will wear out your rifle parts and barrel faster. Some folks don't mind that trade off but one must be careful not to exceed the pressure that the firearm can handle and damage or even destroy the firearm. That said I have had some data where I was a grain or two above maximum load and velocity and pressure was still below maximum. That is rare but it can certainly happen. At any rate thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Great comparison ! 28 Nosler Obviously hits the gongs harder But there's no Freebees here. Also noted how much more recoil you were getting hit with!!! Didn't see anyone mention that? Was not recoil a Bit more stout?? I'll keep my 7 mm rem mag
and 7 mm WSM Both with less recoil.. They haven;t let me down yet.. As one of your viewers noted it's all about shot placement; less recoil better accuracy !!
Thanks for the video
Thank you very much, indeed it does but as stated I think the gongs were the weak point and that is why they broke, the proof is in the table 20:17 where we actually compare the numbers. Indeed there is more recoil with the 28 Nosler than the 7mm Rem mag and this is just one load of thousands of different combinations between the two cartridges so there is a lot of wiggle room from load to load but we just took the best load from previous load developments and put them head to head. I don't think there is anything wrong with either cartridge, Shot placement is certainly much more important, I would love to play around with the 7mm WSM a little bit more in the future. I am a sucker for 7mm cartridges. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I love my custom Remington model 700 chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum.
I too have had great success with custom rifles built on the Remington 700 actions and I don't think you can go wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag either! --Jeremiah
The choice of cartridge has been prominent since reloadable cartridges were first available. In the early seventies I had 5 1917s that my grandfather had sporterized to some degree. Now this was in the time of the 'standard length magnum' something Winchester had popularized with a line of calibers from 7MM to 458. At the time there was the 30-338 a well-respected target round, the 308 Norma Magnum, and the 300 Winchester Magnum. At the time there was a lot of talk about the Winchester's neck being too short. Something that has been disproven. But after reading all I could, I decided on the 308 Norma Magnum. I had my gunsmith rechamber the rifle and modify the feed for the larger round. I have been happy with that rifle for 50 years but if I ever re-barrel the rifle it will be 300 Winchester for the ease of getting ammo. The moral is if they are close pick what you are comfortable with and can afford. The which is better is best settled over drinks.
Indeed it has been, and before that caliber was a major choice to be made among those with muzzleloading rifles. That is very interesting, I am quite curious about the 338-06 and that is something I want to do a video on eventually. I think that is a good choice it's honestly hard to go wrong with any cartridge these days and ammo availability is a big consideration, especially these days! I agree in full with that last statement, well said!! Pick what you can afford and shoot well, and often! Thanks for watching and sharing your info in the comments, I think that is what it is all about and it really adds value to those that scroll through our comments section! --Jeremiah
I shoot a rem mag myself and have dropped some big animals at decent ranges but that 28 energy and speed blows my mind. Be interested to hear the difference in recoil etc and shoot ability.
I really like both cartridges and they both work without a doubt! The 28 Nosler does carry more energy downrange especially at distance, I also think the location of the hit on steel makes a bit of a difference but the proof is really in that ballistic table we show.
As far as the difference in recoil that is a tough one these rifles would not be a good comparison of that as both have brakes on them and the one on the 7mm Rem Mag is outstanding at reducing felt recoil. I would say it is comparable to a 6.5 PRC maybe even less. As far as shootability I would also give that to the 7mm Rem Mag. Mostly due to the brake. If you remove the brake from the equation it is also not fair due to the weight difference between the two rifles. The 7mm Rem mag weighs almost double what the 28 Nosler weighs so therefor once again the 7mm Rem mag wins. I would say if you are experienced with magnum rifles and the recoil dynamics and controlling it I think the difference would be minimal though and accurate shots could be achieved with both without any problems. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
And it was crippled by 2 inches. With a full 26 inch barrel it would have been even more dramatic.
@@joshlower1 Indeed I am sure the extra 2 inches of barrel would have increased velocities by 50-75 FPS or so perhaps even a little bit more with that particular powder. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
I have an old FN in .308 Norma Magnum that needs conversion. I’m seriously thinking about the 7mm Remington. Not quite as powerful as the .28 Nosler, but not enough to worry about, especially given efficiency and wear.
Might be worth your time to look at the Sherman magnums
Matt, that sounds like a really neat rifle! I don't think you could go wrong with either cartridge, however the 7mm Rem Mag is certainly easier on components and barrels. If your not trying to squeeze the most performance you can from a rifle and 7mm Rem mag does everything you need it to then I think that's a good choice. Both are great cartridges and like I said consider everything and make a decision for yourself, look at the facts and your application. At any rate I wish you the best of luck with your conversation and I also want to personally thank you for watching and taking the time to comment it is appreciated!
Kirk, those Sherman magnums look quite interesting and I would be extremely interested in trying them out! They do look impressive from what I have seen! Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV It is pretty neat because my grandpa killed a big 6x6 elk with it in western CO back in the mid-80’s. He put a really awful synthetic stock on it, and the barrel is only.558” at the muzzle. It weighs around 7 pounds with the scope… recoil is horrendous. The bolt face has been machined, so it’ll have to be a magnum. Articles by Messrs Peace, Haviland and Barsness have sold me on the 7mm Remington. Keep the good videos coming!
@@876mpr That is really cool that you have a shared history behind the rifle, I always enjoy hearing such things! The rifle we were shooting is right at 10 LBS and with that muzzle brake recoil is very manageable and it makes it a joy to shoot! The 7mm Rem Mag is still a very relevant and reliable cartridge which I think we proved ballistically in this video. I wish you the best of luck with your rifle rebuild and hope one day to hear about the completed product! --Jeremiah
Well that looked like fun! The 28 is kind of hard on steel. Thanks Jeremiah!
It was a whole lot of fun to put this all together and crunch the numbers and really see the practical, real world difference between the two cartridges! Thank you for watching and for all of your support that makes this all possible! --Jeremiah
It is so crazy how much harder that 28 hits the target
Indeed, I must admit it even surprised me a little bit. I think that energy numbers downrange the difference of a few hundred foot pounds is often times underestimated. Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
Great video!
Thank you very much, a lot of folks didn't like it but it's all good honest, real world information. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
In my hunting rifles I always hunted with Nosler Partition bullets and recently also started using Accubonds. Using 140 gr Nosler bullets I could not justify buying the .28 Nosler rifle to use the .28 bullets. 50% +/- extra powder for the same 140 bullet and only 200+/- ft per sec extra velocity, did not justfy my $$$. So I bought a Sako 85 SS 24" barrel! Thanks for the comparison!
I am a huge fan of the Nosler Partition and the Accubond as well, We used a Nosler partition just a couple of weeks ago to harvest a deer! There certainly is a lot to consider when it comes to cartridges and the amount of powder consumed is a big one for sure! I don't think the 28 uses 50% more powder but is certainly more than the 7mm Rem mag and it adds up when you shoot a lot! I appreciate the feedback and I want to thank you for watching! Good shooting to you and enjoy that Sako those are nice rifles! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV That is why I qualified with 50% +/- , yes, i did check the Nolser book and did some comparison while I was watching you!
@@BlueTJay That is great, that is what we are all about to help educate folks and help them with research and share our knowledge with others! --Jeremiah
Reloder 26 has been the magic dust in my 7 REM Mags… velocities are quite impressive… a good 100 fps over the H-1000 and keeping the 1/2” accuracy…
Reloder 26 is a great powder it is one of my favorites as well, also sadly it is quite hard to come by these days!! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to share your personal experience with the cartridge it is appreciated!! --Jeremiah
I like IMR 4350 63 grains with 150 grain Nosler partition, or ballistic silver tips I get 3248 FPS, and 1/2 moa out of my Ruger American.
@@CARLPHILLY IMR 4350 is an outstanding powder and one of my favorites for the 7mm Rem Mag. I don't think you can go wrong with that combination! Thanks for sharing your personal experience! --Jeremiah
I was a fan of Reloder 26 until I did temp tests on it. Not even close to being temp stable enough for what I was looking for. Definitely an easy button for speed though.
I have a wildcat based off of the 7 mm weatherby with. 35 degree shoulder chamber cut for 180 grain and 195 grn bergers. It has a case capacity of 91 grains and shoots 4.5 inch groups at a grand. It is the best of both worlds...it shoots 195 grn bullets at 2950 using N57 or reloader 33.
It has a 28 inch custom bull barrel so it weights 13 pounds..
That sounds very similar to the 28 Nosler and it sounds very very interesting, I do wish this 28 Nosler had a little longer magazine to feed those 195 Bergers I have heard so many good things about them and I have had great results single feeding them! N570 is a great powder for the 28 Nosler I have used that quite extensively over the years with great results. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment and share your experience with us and other viewers! --Jeremiah
Well that’s just ridiculous.
Heh heh heh…
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The 28 is pounding them gongs
It is pretty impressive! Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Great video! Thanks for shooting at the extended ranges; those rifles/cartridges need that to be meaningful.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to leave a comment! We thought this would be the perfect follow up to all the testing we did with both of these rifles at 100 yards and confirm our loads out to 600 yards. It was a lot of fun to get to shoot both these rifles and crunch the numbers. Thanks again for watching and for the feedback!! -- Jeremiah
I've own both and still own the 28 it a beast I love it and love 7mm to but the 28 is my do all rifle like the video
I have both as well! I really love the 7mm Rem Mag and I think it's a great cartridge but I too love the 28 Nosler and that is a go to rifle of mine! It is very nice to have the option though and when I feel like burning less powder especially these days it's nice to have a 7mm Rem mag in my back pocket, if you will. All that powder adds up! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Yes I remember when you tested different loads for that 28 Nosler 🙂 Both calibers are very capable to take any game at those ranges you shot, both are great calibers.
I believe I recall you commenting on that video as well! So thank you so much for the continued support! They really are great cartridges and It was a lot of fun to shoot them and have some fun comparing the ballistics of each of them! I think were going to need a longer range and better steel gongs in the future! Thanks again for watching!! --Jeremiah
SHOT placement on the target can make it dance differently.
That is true shot placement is key in many different instances. --Jeremiah
cost of the calibres per shot with current costings and the decreased barrel life is massive even if you reload. I would call 11 per cent larger load of powder significant not minor
Indeed these days it is tough, and those are good considerations to make. Barrel life and cost is worth the extra performance for some and for others it is not. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Nicely done, I’ll be sure to subscribe.
Thank you very much the feedback is always appreciated! We greatly appreciate you subscribing it really helps us out! We are getting close to 10K we may have to do something special when we hit that mark! --Jeremiah
Please compare the 28 Nosler 175 ABLR with the Christensen Arms MPR 300 Win Mag data please with a 200 gr Nosler Accubond?
Thank you for the suggestion I would love to compare those two however at this time I do not have a Christensen Arms rifle chambered in .300 Win Mag sadly. If I could get my hands on one of those rifles I would be happy to add another comparison video to the queue! Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
28 nosler handes down I went thru 2 barrels and over 3800 rounds running 180 and 195 bergers and shot ranges out to 1500 yards and shot game out to 1100 mainly deer ect. I was running the 195 berger at 3075 fps from a 27" barrel with retumbo. The g1 bc is .755 for those 195 it out shines the 7mm rem mag at all ranges but no Flys on the 7mm remmy
That is really good to know sounds like you were getting nearly 2,000 rounds per barrel which is a lot better than what most folks are saying and more in line with my thinking. That sounds like a great load thanks so much for sharing it! I have no doubt that with different loads the gap between the 28 Nosler and 7mm Rem mag grows greatly. This is just one load of many that we have used. We picked these loads because they were the most accurate in our separate load development videos. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV the hybrids are definitely better they tend to turn e easyer and better on gamer performance. If you put the 28 past 3150 on a regular basis itll cook the neck faster but by keeping it at 3075 with a slower cooler power it saves the throat while still giving top performance also n570 is top tier in the 28 nosler as well I'm using in my 300 prc atm with 208 eldm at 3028 fps
@@stephenferguson6363 I have heard that as well but can neither confirm nor deny it from my personal experience but that does make sense. I believe that as well, I have had excellent performance from N-570 I used that quite a bit in our load development video on the 28 Nolser and it did really good. --Jeremiah
Very good video
Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment we are glad that you enjoyed the video!! --Jeremiah
Got 'em both, love 'em both. For me it's never an either or proposition. It's more a matter of which one do I want to take. I use Retumbo for the .28, and Reloader 19 for the 7 mag.
Me too they really are both great cartridges and if you can swing both of them I am all for it. I hope you found the video interesting and informative and I want to personally thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
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Excellent and informative video. Curious if you would reload ammo for a customer?
As much as I would love to, I sadly can not as we do not have the correct licensing or insurance to do so but I would be happy to help out with any handloading questions you may have as time permits! --Jeremiah
Please do 7 Stw to 28 nosler comparison video.
I would love to!! Sadly at this time I do not have a 7mm STW in my collection when I do finally get one you can count on a comparison though! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
Just curious, why did you use different powder in each?
That is a great question and we should have stated that more clearly in the video, we took the most accurate load from our separate load development videos on these cartridges and rifles and then tested them at distance and compared them. Both of those videos are linked in this video description if you wanted to check those out. Since we picked the most accurate load from separate load development videos the powders were different it just so happened they shot the same bullet equally well which speaks to the quality of that bullet. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
**What gunbreak do you have on your 7mm on this film? I’d like to get one. Do you recommend it??
I do believe it was a Hollands Radial Baffle brake and it does work very well at reducing felt recoil. I would compare the recoil on this 7mm Rem mag with the brake and weight of the rifle to a 6.5 Creedmoor with a 24" bare barrel. I would highly recommend it for the shooter it allows you to stay on target and spot your misses with a magnum cartridge at extended distance and I feel that is very important. The only downside to the brake is that it is loud but the reduction in recoil and the ability to spot my bullets splash from the shooters perspective more than makes up for that in my eyes. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
They're so close it's almost inconsequential! Just like the 280 Remington to the 7mm Remington Magnum.
Indeed with this load they are very very close, of course this is just one load and with even heavier bullets the 28 Nosler really starts to pull ahead but they are still quite close all things considered. I would love to do a similar video with the .280 AI at some point. I am currently working on gather powder and bullets for that project. Hopefully before the end of the year! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Excellent Video and demonstration. I only wish it can be done using a 7mm Ultra Mag vs the 7mm Remington Mag. 10 years ago before the 28 Nosler, My Gunsmith in Montana and I started loading and the make up of a wild cat called the "7mm-Lapua". Its was Ironic when Nosler came out with the 28.
Thank you very much for the feedback and taking the time to watch the video and comment it is appreciated! I would very much so like to do more of these comparisons and perhaps even adding in ballistic gel tests as well if budget and time would allow. I would like to do a video on the 7mm Ultra mag and I would love to compare it to the 7mm Rem mag and the 28 Nosler as well. I think that would make for a great video! That sounds very interesting and quite ironic. --Jeremiah
Great video. Enjoyed. Both cartridges very impressive but I’m going to stick with my .280 AI since I don’t hunt brown bear and moose. Thanks
Thank you for the kind words it is greatly appreciated! I can't say I blame you there, my personal rifle is a Custom Remington 700 chambered in none other than .280 AI! I love the cartridge and it has been my go to hunting rifle for a very long time! Perhaps one day we'll have to compare the .280 AI to the 7mm Rem mag! Thanks again for all the support! --Jeremiah
I’m a 28 Nosler fan.
I routinely get 3100 fps with 175.
You should of used Retumbo in the 28, rather than H1000.
I use V N570 in mine and it really goes like a shot cat🤣
The only thing I would question is if those two videos were properly timed that would be more delay between the firearm going off and it's striking the target at 600 yards. But I'm not aware of how you set up the twin videos. If you link them together by time or by the shot and the action of the shot on the target.
If you listen closley you'll hear the report of the bullet striking steel picked up with my mic at the bench, it's delayed quite a bit at 600 yards. It's just hard to hear it over the target camera as you are getting that audio as well linked in sync with the camera at the shooting bench. The timing is untouched with the mic that is at the bench and that is where you would hear the steel being struck but it's hard to hear over the target camera audio but it's there if you listen closely. I suggest you do that.
All the Nosler cartridges are freakin screamers I figured it would be much faster then the 7 Rem Mag... I was considering getting a 26 Nosler or 6.5×284 built but ended up going with the 6.5 PRC because from everything I've read the other cartridges are tough on barrels. Now if I did a bunch of elk, moose, and caribou hunting the 28 Nosler would be hard to beat!!! Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment it is greatly appreciated! I thought folks would find this comparison interesting, I was surprised myself to find that there was only 125 FPS difference between the max loads with both of the cartridges in question. Most of the Nosler cartridges are screamers no doubt the 26 is wicked fast! They are generally harder on throats because of that. I agree in full though the 28 Nosler would make a great elk, moose and caribou cartridge. The particular rifle we have is also nice and light and would be a good option for sheep hunting especially when you have to make those cross canyon shots. A little flatter shooting and more on target could be very helpful. Thanks again for all the feedback it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
good shooting
Thank you very much!! --Jeremiah
I run the 7 rem with 168 gr cutting edge bullets my reasoning between the two was barrel life and the fact I had everything to reload for the 7 rem. On that it is impressive had much harder that 28 hits if I was gonna hunt elk every year I’d go with the 28 hands down and deal with the cost increase to shoot a rifle in that caliber. Great video
I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and share your personal experience, I want the comments to be a place for folks to come and learn a little bit more and hear first hand accounts of why they chose what they chose. Thank you for aiding with that and sharing knowledge! I still love the 7mm Rem Mag I think it is a great cartridge and there certainly are other things to consider not just velocity and energy when it comes to selecting a cartridge for yourself. I do agree though I was surprised with the amount of energy that the 28 Nosler had over the 7mm Rem mag. Glad you enjoyed the video! --Jeremiah
Get a 7 RUM if you want the fastest 7mm.
7mm RUM is certainly a beast of a cartridge and it is the fastest indeed, I think a lot of folks think it's too much of a barrel burner and that is why it never got as popular as it should have. Of course a lot of folks worry about barrel life with 28 Nosler as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I have seen 7mm ammo but never 28 nosler. You can keep your new I will keep the old. Hahaha
There is certainly nothing wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag I think it is a fantastic cartridge. Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
Having shot the 7 Rem for years, I upped the ante to a 7x68 V2- my development
This puts the Nosler to shame.
I have had one competition rifle built on that and am now having a sporter built
That is very interesting I am not really familiar with that cartridge but I have heard of it! That might make for an interesting comparison one day and may be something to look into for future comparisons and videos! Thanks so much for watching! --Jeremiah
The 7x-8V² is a wildcat Andrê Viljoen and I developed a few years ago.
Manson supplied the Reamer and Hornady the die set. Based on the 8x68S
@@nickvonbergen3928 That sounds very interesting I will have to do some more research on that cartridge! I am very curious about it from a performance standpoint and I also enjoy tinkering with wildcats. --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I shot open class with a custom 6.5x68 and then one day aroud the campfire we thought about a ultimate 7mm, so the 7x68 was born.
I used this and a 260 improved to win the Namibian open class Bisley for 3 years running.
If you are keen, I have started a magazie article on this ?
@@nickvonbergen3928 That is very interesting I appreciate you taking the time to share your personal experience. Sadly at this time I don't think we are looking for any writers and I don't really have much of a say when it comes to print editorial I just do the videos and write here and there. The editor of Handloader magazine is Lee Hoots and I would suggest reaching out to him, it doesn't hurt to ask especially if you have experience with writing. --Jeremiah
When do we get to see something on the 280 Ackley?
Ha ha truth be told not soon enough! It is in the works I have 2 .280 AIs one with a 24" barrel and the other with a 26" barrel. I want to do a video with both however I must admit that I need more brass. I am also taking the 26" barreled .280 AI on an Arizona Deer hunt and I want to wait till after that to do a video on it! However it is in the works and hopefully will be done in a few months time! I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and appreciate the suggestion! --Jeremiah
28 is hitting hard. I wonder what it would do to the elk meat?
It will greatly depend on the bullet and the distance to target but there is no doubt the 28 Nosler is a hammer for elk, I have been tempted to use this rifle for my elk hunt this year. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Do the same comparison for the 7mm rem.mag. VS the 7mm STW please
Sadly at this time I do not have a 7mm STW but if we ever get the opportunity to do a load development video on it, I wouldn't mind doing a comparison of the two, however I think ballistically speaking the 7mm STW is very similar to the 28 Nosler. At any rate thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Howdy Jeremiah, not sure how I missed this video. The 7mm Rem Mag is my all time favorite going back to when I was 14yrs old. Thanks for another great video, keep them coming😉👍. That 28N is a real beast for downrange energy compared to the 7mm Rem Mag. I have to say I'm a bit surprised at how much wind drift there was at 200-400yds with that high B.C. 175gr bullet at those velocities. I'm very interested is seeing the same exact test performed with the 27Nosler vs. 28Nosler since there is now 175gr bullets available for the .277cal.
Hi Steve, Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment! It really is a great cartridge and a long time favorite of mine as well. Glad you enjoyed the video and found it informative! I thought it was very interesting when comparing the velocities I did not think it would make that much of a difference but clearly I was wrong when it comes to the energy the 28 Nosler is capable of putting down range. Wind drift is the bane of my existence and there were a few times it got the better of me when shooting this video! it is quite surprising. I would love to compare those two cartridges! I do have a 27 Nosler sitting in the vault all ready to go I am just trying to find some of those heavy .277 Cal bullets. It has a 26" barrel and our 28 Nosler has a 24" barrel so again it wouldn't be a perfect comparison but it's what I have and most folks didn't seem to mind for this video. So perhaps we can do this again in the future! Thanks again for watching and commenting it really means a lot! --Jeremiah
Would really like to see chronograph tests with these loads from these rifles, the numbers shown are quite perplexing and don't seem to match what we saw
That 28 nosler was smashing the targets and literally breaking them, the effect on target simply looks far more then the 160ft/lbs of energy stated to be the difference which is about 22LR energy.........not adding up
We did do seperate load development videos on each of these rifles which you can find on our channel under the videos tab. I have to agree the difference seemed to be larger my only thought is the 28 was just enough more to be past the breaking point of my hardware on those steel plates. We did run the numbers though and they have to be at least pretty close because the bullet drop data was pretty spot on. We plan on doing more videos like this but want to iron out the format first. This was our first attempt and we learned a lot from it. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Finding ammo for the 28 is difficult and it's expensive
Great job! I love my 7mm mag. Did you do a best load for it accuracy wise?
Not against maybe getting a 28 nosler someday, I don't think I'd be in a rush to trade in my 7mm rem mag for one though, it's done well for me.
I really don't think you could go wrong with either as stated in the video. They are both great cartridges and will work well on game. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
You said it's the 160 lb of energy that caused it to break but at 600 yards I'm sure it's already had lost that 160 lb it had so I think there might be something more at play here.
After months of reflection from the time of this filming I have to agree with you, I think the best thing to do is examine the ballistics table that we put together. I have a feeling the location of the impacts on the steel had the most effect on the target itself. I also think I need some better target racks as well. I have found that many of my homemade designs are not up to par! At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!
Most of the rifles offered in 28 Nosler are 2k+ rifles also, which is bad for most regular guys. I have a 7 Mag that cost me $365 in a $180 Boyd's stock and a $20 muzzle break. Compared to the Nosler rifle, we are talking a major difference. Also, while it is a bit of difference in energy, you did shoot each gong 3 times with the 7 mag first, then followed with the Nosler. I'm sure the extra energy helped, but so did the fact that you already knocked them around. ;) Long and short is when I can afford a 28 Nosler firearm, I'll consider it. Until then, the 4 gr. difference can be made up with good powder choices IMO.
Indeed they are rather expensive and this one we are shooting is an ultralight rifle and you certainly pay for that, although it is very nice to carry in the field and balances well. That is true I honestly think the amount of energy was just enough to be past the breaking point of the chains used for the gongs I have since fixed this with new stands and chains and have not had this issue. Although I still have to worry about punching holes in the steel at 200 yards and in. Also keep in mind this is just one load there are many different combinations available this is just what worked best in our test rifles. There is nothing wrong with that, as I always say you've seen the results and now you can make an educated decision on what is right for you! It is nice to have so many options available to us these days! Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
4gr difference in what? The 28Nos is capable of holding way more than 4 more grains of powder than a 7 mag. I have a 28Nos shooting 195 Berger EOLs as fast as this 175 load he used in this comparison. A 7 mag isn't going to come close on that even if it's rebarreled to throat the 195s. No replacement for displacement.
28 nosler will never overtake or outsell the 7mm rem mag. It has earned its place alongside the IMMORTAL 3006 as one of the greatest cartridges ever invented.
You are probably correct there the 7mm Rem Mag is a classic cartridge but it is still fun and interesting to compare cartridges. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
All I can say is rubber stubbers on the targets, lol.
Yeah that would have been very helpful, I am actually almost done making some new stands for some future long range videos! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Nice video, if with somewhat surprising results. While I don't doubt your desire to produce a fair comparison here, it does seem a little odd and worth my adding the following observations and comments. There is something quite awry with your quoted H2O figures, given QuickLoad lists 7mm Rem Mag with 82.0gr H2O, while the 28 Nosler has 99.0gr. (Incidentally, in measuring to true my own 28Nos QuickLoad data, I found an average of 102.9 grains of H2O capacity in the same ADG brass as used in your tests). This all leaves us with an interesting question as to how with an efficient new case design (certainly more so than the old Rem Mag), and comfortably over 20% more case capacity, the results from a level playing field can possibly be this close? And for sure, the extra 2in Rem Mag barrel can't nearly explain it. (And just for added context; my 28Nos pushes 190gr A-Tips comfortably over 3300fps out of a 32in barrel and into sub ½MOA groups, all with zero pressure signs ;)
First of all Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment It is greatly appreciated and I will do my best to address your concerns. I think you have to understand what we did in this video. As stated we took the best load from our load development video on the 28 Nosler and our best load from our load development video on the 7mm Rem mag both videos are linked in this video description. We used the same bullet with different powders because that is what shot the best in our load development for each of the rifles. I didn't think that the numbers were off at all I even went back and double checked and came to the same water capacity for both cases. The ADG cases did seem a little light considering on their website they claim 101 grains of water but my cases were at 91.2 which is very close to what the Nosler manual states for water capacity. In regards to the 7mm Rem mag the Norma cases were 86.86 grains on average and the Nosler manual lists them at 81.4 grains. So in that regard they are not that far off. Perhaps I got a batch of brass of ADG that was thicker but that seems unlikely given their strict quality control. Perhaps my rifle has a tighter chamber and the brass is not expanding as much as in others I am not entirely sure to be honest but I know the numbers are good. As far as quickload goes I am always having to true the water capacity in that program while it might be ballpark it is almost never right on the money when it comes to water capacity. I do believe it is a more efficient design the 30 degree shoulder and the fact that it lacks a belt so on and so fourth. I also don't really think it was a level playing field I think in the future I will shoot a max book load and then I will shoot the most accurate load so folks can reference both and compare. I am sure with different powders and or bullet combinations the Nosler will far outpace the 7mm Rem Mag. Again though we were only comparing out most accurate loads from previous load development videos. Verifying our results and proving that the load development we do does indeed work at extended ranges and is very accurate while also showing trued ballistics with this load and how it stacks up against each other. This is just one load of thousands of possible combinations. There is also a big difference in a 24" barrel and a 32 inch barrel especially if you are using a powder that is going to burn efficiently in such a long barrel. I could easily see you getting 3,300 FPS with a 190 grain bullet. I have gotten approx. 3,000 FPS from the 195 grain Berger in this rifle with a 24" barrel within specified pressure limits of the cartridge. I hope this helps clear the air and address your concerns. I do my best to answer each and every comment but sometimes it takes a while so I appreciate your patience! I think it is awesome that we can jump on here and have such great conversations and discussions about cartridges and performance. I think that is what the comment section should be on each of our videos! Thanks again for watching and the great comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Many thanks for the excellent, considered & comprehensive response. While your H2O results remain something of a head-scratch & the best I can imagine is it's something of an oddity/outlier, I can't fault your interest in the subject & your attention to detail. Your openness to constructive discourse is also to your great credit. Cheers & Shoot safe... :)
@@paul.g.h You are very welcome thank you for your patience with my replies! That is a bit of a head scratcher, It very could be an outlier or the brass when fireformed and sized lost some capacity. I am not quite sure to be honest. I appreciate the kind words, we do out best to show everything and we want to put on the best production possible so I am always looking for ways to improve and am always open to suggestions! --Jeremiah
I bet if you shot the 28 first the 7 mm would be doing the something to your targets. Use all same equipment to hold the targets. If you try this let us no. Great vdo. With only 79 fps how are you geting 162 ft lb energy more
You may be correct, as stated the hardware is certainly the weak link in the target system. The energy was calculated using a Kestrel 5700 and the applied ballistics program and those are the numbers we used in our video here. The rough equation for calculating kinetic energy is, the bullet energy KE (in foot-pounds) is equal to the bullet weight (in grains) wb times the square of the bullet velocity v (in feet per minute) divided by 450,437. Often times folks don't realize how a little muzzle velocity can effect energy this was something I only recently realized when we started working on comparing these two cartridges. Great question and comment, thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Stouter steel stands mabie?
Or is this group exercise for hunting season?
Stouter steel stands would have helped, but as stated at 21:15 I think the 28 Nosler just had enough energy to break my carabiners as to where the other cartridges did not. I think they were the weak link in the setup. Thank you so much for watching! --Jeremiah
I never would have thought that 170lbs +- would have that much more effect. That makes you think about everything different. Gel blocks obviously aren't every part of the equation. A lot of people are completely confused now because they were taught that a 9mm is as good or better than a 40 when it's clearly not the case. 38 special 250lbs. 9mm 325lbs. 40 460lbs. Then the 45 starts to drop off but then the energy picks back up in the 10mm. Both 9 and 40 go 14in +- into gel and have similar bullets and wound channels, but that's insane what that extra energy just did.
Indeed there are so many factors that play into ballistics this doesn't even begin to scratch the surface but as we continue on I would like to do more videos detailing ballistics. Watching this video really does make you think about the differences in energy from cartridge to cartridge though. Gel blocks don't tell the whole story but they do help eventually I would love to get into shooting gel blocks as well along with another demonstration to display energy along with ballistics I think that would make for a very well rounded video. Sadly ballistics Gel is expensive and or time consuming and due to budget and time constraints it makes it very difficult to do. Hopefully one day as the channel grows! I must say though that I have a bit of a new respect for not only what most people would consider minor energy differences as well as minor velocity differences. I will say the difference between 9mm and 40 S&W is much more than most people think, I will also say that the big hole the .45 ACP is also more impressive than most people think. Of course we are skirting on the edge of a long standing age old debate! At any rate thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I thoroughly enjoy getting to talk about these things and share real world information with like minded folks! --Jeremiah
Did you calculate the recoil energy?
I did not calculate the recoil energy, both of these rifles have brakes on them and to be honest I am not sure how to add that into the calculation. However at 20:17 we do calculate the energy, velocity and bullet drop for each of these cartridges at various ranges. I will say the 7mm Rem mag has noticeably less recoil than the 28 Nosler in their configurations as featured here. Good question and I wish I had a better answer for you. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
As a 7mm fan, that wasn't a good comparison, 7RM v 28Nosler. If they both had 26" barrels and used the same powder, it would'v been a better comparison. Now, using H1000, with 24" barrel was a good move, because it's a faster slow powder than Retumbo which would give a more complete burn for that length. I use 27" barrels for 28Nosler, using Peterson cases, 195EOL and Ramshot LRT. The 7STW (ballistic twin of 28N) also used 27" barrel lengths and the 180 Berger, the heaviest LR bullet at the time, using H1000 was a great performer.
First of all I want to thank you so much for taking the time to watch the video and take the time to comment on how we can improve that feedback is greatly appreciated and is very helpful for improving future videos. This is the first comparison video we have done and there is certainly some refinement to be done. I agree in full I wish they both had 24" barrels but sadly we did not have access to a 7mm Rem mag with a 24" barrel or a 28 Nosler with a 26" barrel. So we were kinda stuck using what we had. As far as using the same powder goes I would be curious to get your thoughts as to what difference that would have made?
I thought it would make more sense to take the best load that we worked up in the previous videos and use that for each of these cartridges. This not only confirms that they were good loads that we worked up but it also helps show folks that we are honest and the data we put out there corresponds across multiple videos. I also thought that is how most people would select their own favorite handloads by picking the most accurate load while still getting the highest velocity possible. I could have reworked a load that used the same powder but why not use the best load that I worked up across all the powders I tested for both rifles and cartridges, or at least that was my thinking.
I have always liked the 7STW and Peterson makes excellent quality cases! H1000 certainly lives up to it's name it is a great powder for long range shooting and it has always been a good performer for me in many cartridges as well. Thank you again for watching and taking the time to comment! I hope to hear from you again and hope to catch you in the next video! --Jeremiah
I’ve looked at both but I’ve heard bad things about the 28 nosler barrel life. I’ve heard anywhere from 300 to 500 rounds before barrel is toast. Does anyone have an accurate count on the 28 nosler as a hunting rifle.
Wondering the same
Johnny That is a great question and we get asked it quite often! I want to set the record straight as I have seen it. Our test Rifle has well over 300 rounds and is approaching 500 at the time of this writing. It still shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards same as it did when we ran the first 100 rounds through it. There is a lot of mystery surrounding barrel life with this cartridge. A lot of this is due to throat erosion like most overbore and semi overbore cartridges there is a lot of throat erosion. This can sometimes be enough to effect your bullets jump to the lands. This can seem like the barrel is toasted but in reality the jump to the lands has knocked you off of your node. I have heard this can occur as early as 400 rounds. Our rifle has yet to experience this though as you can see in this video My OAL is the exact same as the previous load development video which was conducted months and months ago. In regards to barrel life your millage will vary depending on how hard you run it, it's kinda like the engine in your car there are a lot of factors that play into it and not all barrels are created equal. However as a hunting rifle with limited shooting not getting the barrel hot, (more than 3rounds before cooling or checking barrel temp) I have no doubt you could get 1,000 to 1,500 rounds before needing a new barrel especially if you are using a good quality barrel like the Proof barrel on our 28 Nosler. I am not sure why there is such great concern over barrel wear in this cartridge but it seems to pop up anytime the 28 Nosler is mentioned. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
It also depends on your definition of "toast". Are you planning on hitting targets for score, or putting meat in the freezer. Many people say that you should not shoot game over 400yrds away, that means you only need ~1.5 MOA to hit a 6in target at 400yrds. I'm thinking you would get well over 2k rounds before you burn the barrel beyond 1.5 MOA. This is why we have different tools in the toolbox, choose the right tool for the job.
Along with reducing strings of fire and barrel cooling, you can reduce charges or run heavier bullets to reduce barrel burn.
@@ChristopherKnN yeah my competition days are way behind me, all my rifles are set up for hunting only. My goal is to get an elk rig only set up. The rifles I have now will do the job but it’s my excuse to buy another rifle.
@@bartowpd342 If you reload you would love the 28 Nosler. I live in west Texas and frequently take game at 600yds, big whitetail, muleys, and elk. I also live less than 30 minutes from a range that reaches 1000yrds. I am just over 500 rounds through my Christiansen Arms Classic and still get under .5 MOA at 100yrds and can hit 19/20 shots at a 12" steel at 1000yrds. I bought 100 rounds of Nosler ABLR 175gr factory round when I got my rifle and I'm on my 5th reloading of that brass.
Several comments come to mind with your comparison between the two rifles. 1)--Data flawed different barrel lengths and different rifles, no 2-gun manufactures shoot the same use same barrel length, same manufacture, but different calibers. 2)-- How important is 140#'s of energy really?? It was breaking your gong, but that gong is not the size of a deer or elk,...ergo not truely valid. Might ;look nice, but it serves really no arguable purpose. Summation: I would really like to buy the 28 Nosler (I have the 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem, 7mm STW, 7mm Rum, 280 Rem, 280 AI). I was really looking forward to buying the 28 Nosler, but now with your comparison, I believe my WBY, STW, RUM out perform the 28 Nosler, but I did enjoy the accuracy. Send me any follow-up data, as would still enjoy the option. Cheers, Renn Daniels
I completely understand where you are coming from this was our first comparison and things were not laid out as clearly in this video as I would have liked. We essentially took the best load from each of our separate videos on these cartridges and compared them. It was not as in depth as we usually go and we were essentially just confirming energy, velocity and bullet drop with these two rifles. Accuracy testing was already conducted in the previous videos. As far as the 28 Nosler goes I would say it is very very similar to the 7mm STW just a little bit shorter if memory serves me correctly. It will fit in a standard length action. We plan on doing more comparisons in the future but are still working on the format and gathering components. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
28 nosler out performs a 300 mag.it is a beast
I think that was accurately displayed in this video I have to agree with you the 28 Nosler is an impressive cartridge! --Jeremiah
Time to include the 7mm PRC
Good info. Thanks. I've been considering getting a 7mm mag. Would a good choice be a Winchester model 70?
You are very welcome thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! I think a lot of that all boils down to personal preference but I don't think that you can go wrong with a Winchester Model 70 with Controlled round feed, I have a few model 70s and all have been reliable and accurate rifles. --Jeremiah
We have the stw, ultra mag and Weatherby mag....why the 28? Did barrel manufacturers need more work?
I personally like having the options, we have so many cartridges it is easy to find one that fits your needs perfectly. We just need more unbiased testing of these cartridges ;) Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
What was the difference in cost for factory ammo?
First of all thank you for watching and taking the time to ask a question! Ammo prices vary greatly depending on what kind of ammo you want. It really depends overall for the same brand hunting ammunition I'd say it's tough a $10-$20 difference with the 7mm rem mag being cheaper but these days it's really hard to say with all the shortages and everything going on. --Jeremiah
Looks like a mis-adjustment of over 6" elevation on each cold bore shot.
Indeed my data was slightly off I was using the Kestrel 5700 to get close and then from there I took all the data and the real world bullet drop and "trued" up my calculations so that they matched at each difference shot and then carried it out to 1,000 yards if that makes sense. That is how we were able to come up with exact bullet drop data. Thank you for watching!! --Jeremiah
Great video, I'm wondering if there is a difference in twist rate considering the 28N is hitting with the same engine throughout 400y
Thank you and thank you for watching and for the great question! I think I stated it in the video but they both have 1:9 twist rates. So really the only difference is the slight difference (79 FPS) between the loads that made that much of an energy difference. It is pretty impressive and surprising! --Jeremiah
The barrel life of the 28 Nosler is half that of the 7mm rem mag.
I hear a lot of people complaining about barrel life on the 28 Nosler it is less than the 7mm Rem mag in general but I do not think it is half based on our experience the 28 Nosler has a barrel life of around 2,000 rounds and there are a great many factors that contribute or detriment to that number. The powder you use, how hot you get your barrel and the velocity you are pushing are all major factors. --Jeremiah
Jeremiah I’ve been a 7RM fan since the late the late 90’s, since that time I’ve seen new and longer, better 7 Mag’s that came along but didn’t stand the test of time. Like the Remington 7MM Ultra Mag, or the 7MM Shooting Times Westerner. For me the 28 Nosler’s barrel life is a big draw back. The 7RM can have a short barrel life as well, if the shooter uses the 120 Gr bullets with large amounts of slow burning powders. The way to lessen that is to use 160 Gr and up bullet weights with slow burning powders. Which brand of muzzle brake is used on that 7RM during your testing. Great video as always keep up the great work 👍🏾
There certainly have been a lot of them over the years and it's very interesting to see where they fall in line when looking back. i think the barrel life for a lot of those hot 7mm cartridges was a big draw back. With the 28 Nosler folks either seem to love it or complain about the barrel life, I know that is a major concern with the 28 Nosler. I agree in full and it really goes to show you that barrel life can vary greatly depending upon what you are shooting through a given gun. Thank you for watching glad you enjoyed the video! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTVI think 99% of people complaining about barrel life have never shot out a single barrel in their life. 28Nos in a dedicated hunting rifle is a lifetime gun for almost everyone. The ones who do shoot a lot don't complain about barrel life because they realize it's the cost of doing business.
How is this even a contest when the barrel life of a 7 mag is twice as many shots as the .28 nosler?