Nosler Factory Seconds Do They Shoot
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- We test Nosler factory seconds in several rifles. We use their factory second brass and bullets in our Handloads. Also tested are factory blemished ammunition. Check it out and see how they shoot.
Good examples comparison.
Testing is what makes loading fun to me😊
I agree in full comparing is what makes it fun plus you have to have a baseline somewhere that is why all of our testing is consistently done at 100 yards as similar conditions as possible and using the same bench. It makes all of our load development videos comparable. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I've been using Nosler "seconds" for both target and hunting purposes. My results look similar to your tests. Thanks for putting this together.
It is great to hear that others results and tests have been similar to ours that is what we are all about we want our tests to be easily duplicated by the viewer if so desired and getting this kind of feedback is greatly appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to comment and watch! --Jeremiah
I’ve used factory seconds from Nosler for a long time. I’ve never noticed any difference in accuracy or terminal performance
I'd say the same thing in our experience and testing. Seems like a great way to save a little money here and there. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Nice video, lots of variety in the rifles and rounds, liked the quick pace.
Thank you for the feedback we greatly appreciate it! We have some plans to do more fast paced shorter videos where topics will allow for it. We appreciate you watching and your continued support! --Jeremiah
Good video, Jeremiah. Thank you. I live in a port city and once had an issue, maybe 25 years ago, that I traced to dispensing smokeless propellant on a humid day. I have-since then-avoided loading rounds on humid days. I keep an electronic thermometer/hygrometer in the garage and it also helps with decisions on whether to paint or not🙂!
I am a tad surprised that you have such issues in your subalpine? inland location but every place has its own microclimate.
P.S. I purchased several hundred factory-second Sierra .308-actually .3075”, as per every ‘,308’ bullet I have measured-boat-tail hunting projectiles about 20 years ago and they were extremely accurate. If I shot the rifle consistently, I got a nice looking group. If I made an error, the bullet went exactly where the barrel had been pointed😁. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Thank you very much for the kind words and feedback. It is amazing how much humidity can effect velocity and pressure. We have done some testing and the results were surprising how much the powder changed in terms of velocity and pressure based on the humidity. I am surprised as well the powder was loaded at about 29% humidity so I'm not sure what caused the low velocity. It is an interesting prospect.
That is very interesting about your factory second experience with Sierra bullets. Perhaps if there is enough interest we could test other manufacturers factory seconds as well. Thanks for sharing your experience especially with the humidity it is something most folks don't think about but probably should. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Well done Jeremiah! Your presentation skills are always spot on! I've always thought that seconds would shoot well since I have some handloaded 130 Accubonds for my 270 that became blemished after they were left in my Jeep for three years. (OOPS!) I shot them this past fall and the groups were as expected. I'm looking forward to more videos.
Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment! We greatly appreciate all the feedback on our testing it is nice to know that we are not alone in test results! We'll certainly keep these videos coming as long as folks are watching them! --Jeremiah
Shhhh! Don't be telling people that blemished bullets are good to buy :-)
Ha ha they do work well, I suppose I probably should have put a larger order in myself. I didn't think about that! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Great presentation.
Thank you very much for the kind words and the feedback we appreciate all the feedback and suggestions we get! --Jeremiah
Good information, appreciate the video.
Hey again. Just a quick note to say I really like the new logo. It’s very clever!
Thank you very much for the feedback glad to hear that you like it! The videographer Chris Downs made that up and he did a great job. He has a lot of talent and does a wonderful job editing the videos and photos we showcase. Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Maybe one day we'll have hats, shirts and stickers with the logo on it! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Merchandise would be good Take care and good luck in the field.
@@nmelkhunter1 Thank you very much good luck to you as well! --Jeremiah
Best video I’ve seen yet
Thank you for the feedback and the kind words it really helps us decide what we should do for future videos. I guess we probably should pull out more interesting rifles and showcase the rifles and loads together. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Great video!
Thanks so much we appreciate it! Always enjoy seeing you in the comments! --Jeremiah
I hope u do more on 280AI. I just bought a new Browning Xbolt Hell Canyon Speed LR 280AI. 1@8 twist 26-inch barrel. I'm going to top it with a Leupold scope. One of the 2
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I use factory seconds for plinking all the time. I have had some (that looked like Hornaday) bullets that I had to weight sort, but I’ve never really had an issue with the Nosler.
I shoot a lot of Factory second bullets for pressure testing purposes and plinking as well they are great and to be honest the Nosler factory seconds perform well on Game. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Best groups my wife ever got from her Remington 700 All Weather in .270 Win. were my handloads with 140 grain Nosler BT blems (I won't list the group size here since I don't feel like being called a liar). I assume they were for a big company, since they had a cannelure, but MAN, did they shoot good! Handloads with Nosler's Custom Competitions make minuscule groups from my 223 and 308, but I haven't tried any 2nds/blems.
I can believe it, especially if it's the best group and not "all day long" like some folks say. These blems seemed to shoot just fine near as we could tell but as always you be the judge we just appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I bought “premium” Nosler new unprimed brass from Brownells. They were expensive crap. The 7-08 and 243 Win cases had off center flash holes punched in the primer pockets. They were returned to Brownells.
My 6.5prc had seams in necks and cracks also….wont buy them again
Hmmm that is very interesting something that must've slipped through QC, it happens from time to time. I had a case of bullets that was .002 under stated diameter once. Took a little bit to figure out what was going on accuracy wise. Sadly if you shoot enough and buy enough components that can happen. A tip of the hat to Brownells for taking them back! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I was getting Nosler WSM brass the necks are way too thick and the only way I was able to use them was to use the case neck thinker to get the case necks thinned down so once the bullet was seated the cartridge chambered in the rifles
@@lurebenson7722 I feel like you struck it rich as I did. Most chambers are are so loose SAMMI you wish you had a neck that needs to be turned down to fit more custom to yours. I bought a 200 Nosler .243 win cases that were snug in the neck. Turned the necks to true. Which were already even around. Now I have .003” clearance after firing. Dime size groups @ 100yds. Took a wyoming pronghorn @ 380yds in 2021. Quartered away double lung nicked the heart.
@@Hunter4Life. I bought the Nosler 25 cartridges in the box of 325 WSM to make into 375 - 300 WSM then found after loading the cartridges in 375 -300 WSM the necks had been so thick the loaded ammo won't chamber.
So, when the case necks are expanded from 323 " to 375" and won't chamber I expected even in 325 WSM those cases are defective.
I had to shave the case necks to get them to work for 375-300 WSM.
Kind of bad defect when expanding and stretching the metal should thin the metal but the case necks are so thick even going from 323" to 375" the necks are still to think for chambering the loaded cartridges.
I am done with Nosler brass, and I also have had problems with Nosler brass for 6.5-284 Norma or making 6mm-284 win the necks spit after 2 firings.
For making 375-300 WSM brass seems the Hornaday and Winchester brass is the best.
I am building a 280 AI so this and the magazine article will be something to ponder on
The velocities with my lot of RL-22 powder were pretty low for some reason it can go a lot faster than my loads showed here. However, we are working on doing a full Load Development with the 280 AI using Peterson Brass, it should be out this year if everything works out. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I am going to try reloaded 26 and to begin with some Hornady 162 sst and some federal 210 match primer’s I wonder what kind of accuracy I will get with my 1-8 twist in my Shilens 26” barrel
Muzzle jump was most noticeable with the 280AI
It was the largest cartridge we shot in this video and there is no muzzle brake to help with muzzle rise. However, I will say it is not bad compared to many other cartridges out there. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
NIce video. I"ve always liked Nosler components and loads with them have worked very well. I can't help but notice your shooting bench. It looks beefy. Does Handloader sell them?
Thank you very much for the kind words and feedback they are greatly appreciated! It is a great shooting bench, I wish we could sell them! Sadly they were custom made for us by a company that no longer makes them called Konig Jager the bench was the Super Bench. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
52.5 grain rl22 is on the lower side of the work up per nosler data 55.5 is showing max charge at roughly 2800 fps with the 52.5 should be roughly 2650ish fps but like you said there’s something not rite because your speeds are still below the starting charge
My apologies I meant to say that it was not a max charge but velocity should have been higher! Good catch and I apologize for the confusion and you are correct the velocity is still lower than it should have been for no apparent reason other than the lot of powder I have is a little slow. A little frustrating for the video but we didn't have time to change the load since this video goes along with an article. It would have been nice to have had the time to explore that a little bit more. At any rate great catch on that and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
My 24” fn spr will stack 110gr varmageddons in .3”-.5” groups with imr4198 goin round 3500fps….ive got many blems in 6.5prc…308..223..and never notice any difference…I’ve been testin my ol 16” carbine range model with compass in the stock with 55gr fmj bulk loaded with varget and put down couple .5” groups@100 which is hard to believe..3x9 Nikon ar optics in Talley rings factory trigger…it’s a doublestar upper from back in 09 straight profile….ive got 55gr hp that prints exactly same with cfe powder….good to see ya J…matt
Sounds like a similar experience to ours with the factory seconds always nice to hear that others are having similar results. I miss those Nikon scopes they were hard to beat for the money. Thanks for sharing your experience and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Well Hooey There already hard to get the 2nds one wants As 1st are impossible in my area..
Now more so....😊
Having too much Fun Still Sir..Carry On..
Yeppie Ya Having Too much fun again,trying out my favorite bullets n there brass is pretty darn good as well...& Didnt ask me to have fun with Ya...😢😂😂
Carry on Sir.
Ha ha Thanks for the kind words and feedback as always! Great to hear from you and see you in the comments section! We will carry on, hope you have a great day! --Jeremiah
ARTICLE IS WELL DONE AS WELL.
They shoot but their prices are still significantly higher than first run versions of their competitors. Its a shame but I am switching over to other manufactures that are still reasonable and arent trying to charge almost $0.50 a piece for varmint bullets. Nosler has really gotten greedy.
I’ll have to pick up that magazine. I just ended up with a bunch of seconds. Seems like that’s the only thing Nosler knows how how to make since I never see any of their bullets or ammo on the shelves. Seems everybody I talk to says they see zero difference in their groups between seconds and projectiles and firsts.
Too bad you charge an arm and a leg for the magazine. I used to subscribe until your price went way up. Hard to spend that kind of money when the information is free on the Internet.
@@tripplebeards3427 A reloading manual is more money than our magazine, and we offer a lot of information that you simply can't get anywhere else. In addition to that if the magazine is too expensive we still offer LoadData.com which is only 34.99 per year that less than any of your monthly cable bills, and most reoccurring charges and subscriptions and all of the data on Handloader TV is entered there along with new articles every month. I do sympathize with the price increases it is not something we do lightly and frankly we only do it when we have to. We are a family owned Veteran operated business all of our magazines are made in the USA and printed on US paper this is expensive but it's supporting US jobs and bushiness. That makes us a little more expensive than others, we also do things that nobody else does and we offer options that are cheaper such as our Load Data website. All in all I think we are still reasonable, for the price of a box of premium bullets or half the price of a box of premium ammo you can get an idea for how those things performed in other rifles that we have tested and give you an idea for what loads may work in your rifle. The savings potential for the information we provide we feel still justifies the cost. However, I do lament the prices but sadly this is the age we live in everything is more expensive. I would also argue that the information on the internet for free is not as accurate or reliable as our information in addition to us covering a lot of wildcat and oddball cartridges. We do appreciate the feedback and we understand where you are coming and we just ask that you understand where we are coming from. --Jerermiah
@@HandloaderTV one reloading book is cheaper i hate to say. $29 for a nosler vs $35 for a one year subscription with one caliber listed in your magaine. I have tons of reloading books. I still just go hodgdens website if I need load data for free. I cut the cable on my TV a decade ago. I still have all the local channels. Don't miss cable. I spend too much time outside anyways and it keeps me from sitting in the house. Lol. I believe you use to have varmint masters magaine. Subscribed to it till it turned into predator extreme.
Would be nice to know what the issue was with the components and loaded rounds.
According to Nosler and based on our testing it was all purely cosmetic issues, polishing marks or lack of polishing on bullets or brass. Things of that nature. I would highly suggest buying a batch or two and trying them for yourself. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I’d love to but I don’t think they can ship to me ? I’m located in Canada. It’s a mess up here
hey brotha's , i am also blade bro's with slasher jimi also , i cannot wait to talk more , thank you n i emailed you thru your website also , talk soon > tom !
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That was remarkably quick to comment and like! We appreciate the support!! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV that’s what happens when you have loyal followers who wait on pins and needles for your latest content 😂😂😂…I’ve had great luck ordering “pulled” or “blemished” projectiles from American Reloading. Ordered a few boxes of their “premium mix” in 7mm and hit the jackpot with a ton of the 155gr Federal Terminal Ascent bullets.
@@alabamareloaderI've missed out on 2 potential American Reloading orders within the last 3 days. You are supposed to keep that info close to the hip - Ha!
@@runningwithscissors3997🤣🤣 That is what a lot of folks say about the Nosler Factory seconds as well! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@alabamareloaderWe greatly appreciate the kind words and the support! It is because of good folks like you that we can continue to do what we do and provide folks with good and honest information. --Jeremiah
I guess they can't blow up any worse than their first grade bullets.
I would say it depends on what bullet you are using and what you are using it on but the Accubonds are a bonded bullet and generally have pretty good weight retention. The Ballistic tips on the other hand are generally more explosive but that makes them fun for Varmints. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV the last Nosler bullets I used were partitions. They blew up on Whitetail at less than 100 yards. 1 shot 3 entrance wounds.
When I went to Noslers forum and explained what happened, there reply was "what's the problem, you have a dead animal don't you?" I'm not a trophy hunter, I hunt to feed my family. I switched to Barnes Triple shock and have been completely satisfied.
What were any blemishes that you noticed ?
To be honest very few blemishes were even noticeable, mostly colors of the brass or copper jackets on the bullets. Minor polishing marks and things of that nature. Great question thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
You lost me, you spent way too much time dragging on about the guns you are going to shoot rather than shooting and/or getting to the comparison results. I left.......
When you give feedback give it in a way you would enjoy if you had put a lot of time into making something
@@JeffreyVelazquez My time has value. If you want my time spent on your video, get to the point. Too many You tube channels feel as though if they filmed it, I should watch it. Not true and perhaps my "feedback" saved someone else time too.
We do our very best to present the information we provide in an easy to watch yet still extremely informative manner. Much of the extra talking and explanations given in this video is to answer questions people pose in the comments. We do appreciate the feedback you provided and take all feedback very seriously. We realize that not everyone has time to watch the entire video which is why our format is generally speaking the same across all of our videos the actual shooting starts at 6:35 and the target/results review starts at 12:27 you are more than welcome to fast forward through our videos and take the information you wish from them. Perhaps at some point in the future we should add chapters for whatever reason RUclips does not always add timestamps for different segments and frankly I would rather respond to comments directly and spend more time testing and handloading than manually putting those in. Then again if more people watch our videos for it maybe that time would be well spent. At any rate we do appreciate the feedback and understand that not everyone has time to watch a 20 minute presentation Handloading in video format is time consuming which is also why we have the magazine article which you can read in 10 minutes and quickly and easily reference the tables. We appreciate your time and feedback as we are always looking to improve and will take your suggestion into consideration. --Jeremiah
Hello from Alberta! Hey - do you get factory seconds from the local gun shop, or do you buy them from Nosler? I’ve never even seen factory seconds around here…
They sell them through their outlet website shooters pro shop I have never seen them at any local sporting goods store. I think you have to go through their to get factory seconds. Great question thanks for asking and watching! --Jeremiah