An Israeli Christian's Perspective on the War in Israel-Palestine: Lisa Loden
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Lisa Loden immigrated to Israel in 1974, and with her husband, founded Beit Asaph Messianic congregation in Netanya. Lisa was the director of the Caspari Center for Biblical and Jewish Studies in Jerusalem from 2002-2007, and served on the faculty of the Nazareth Evangelical Theological Seminary from 2008-2013. She currently serving on several peace and reconciliation-related boards - Global Peace Heroes, Advisory Board of the Bethlehem Institute of Peace and Justice and other initiatives. She is the co-chair of the Lausanne Initiative for Reconciliation in Israel and Palestine, and is a member of several ecumenical theological dialogue groups. Lisa writes on reconciliation and related issues for various publications. She and Salim Munayer edited a book on the theology of the land - The Land Cries Out (Wipf and Stock, 2011) - and co-authored Through My Enemy’s Eyes (Paternoster, 2014).
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Thank you Preston for this interview. Thank you for listening, it is one of your gifts. Thank you Lisa for your voice, your words, your heart.
Thank you Preston for continued exploration and giving platform to voices we rarely hear. 🙏
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many of you are missing the point. she is a woman with an absolutely wonderful soul in a much needed time, I wish there were more of her in this world
I love your term Citizens of GOD'S Kingdom for in Yeshua we are One GOD BLESS YOU
I am now abandoning that ideology thanks to these interviews Preston.
Wow! I genuinely have no words! The wisdom, the love and the honesty! And most of all, the focus on looking more like Christ in the reality of the pain in this world created by OUT SIN. Thank you for the prayer or “LORD, have mercy on us sinners”
The earthquake that rocked India this morning. Our sin? Just stop. You’re defending a debased “god” if you’re buying into the particular myth of the Bible, which you have because of the Roman Catholic Church. I am a former Roman Catholic Priest, faithfully served. To dismiss the insights of the late, great and sorely-missed Christopher Hitchens and the historical reasons for his gathering of refutations of this particular brand of Theism is to choose delusion by choice. To not see this is why we are here now facing our NEXT existential threat, MAN-MADE “religions”. As a seminarian we had an excellent Palestinian Christian Tour Guide.
But you were a Catholic, never a christian. The day you seek the true Christ, true Word of the living God, you will wish He found you in your youth. True Christianity is not religion, its Life. He is far more above all religions and systems.
"War creates different values" - Lisa
wow that hit home
Great interview! Insights that Christians in the west need to hear...thank you!
One can not be pro justice and simultaneously affirming pro-dictatorship. Same goes for affirming pacifism and pro dictatorship at the same time.
The kingdom of God is not from this world. Jesus did not save Israelis from the yoke and oppression of Romans. His mission was to lead his followers to eternity!
The term nakba is used incorrectly here by the speaker who is just reciting the same old narrative : I will explain : in 1948, if you read the Arabic press of the day, the term nakba was used by journalists to refer to the Arab FAILURE to destroy Israel. Later, the term became associated with "the plight of the Palestinians".
Thank you, Preston. I really appreciate you bringing multiple voices to this topic. It really helps to fill out my understanding. I am seeking to live as a follower of Jesus to all people and this helps!
excellent interview, thank you Preston
Thank you Lisa
I believe God is pleased with this discourse! Love your enemies is The Christian's mandate, not an eye for an eye! God loves the world! We as Christians need to apply Godly Sisdom a d imitate Him.
Please Count me in as a Believer in the Body of Christ. This means that I look to my Creator God for judgement and justice to descend upon this earth. God knows who, what, where, when, why and how, for each and every thought, incident and evil, perpetrated. God alone can and will, punish the wrong done, and reward the right done. I was floored when I read Rev.2:9 and 3:9 (kjv). I had never heard any preaching on these verses and who was implicated. They assure me that God is actively watching what is happening on earth, and will act in His own Divine time to bring justice and judgement. Lisa thanks for your Christ-like words in these trying times. I have been bombarding Heaven with prayer for the supernatural intervention that only Eternal God can bring. We are no longer capable of determining who is right or wrong - only God knows that. Our job is to pray for Gods Divine will to be done on Earth as it is in Heaven - Matt 6:10
Such a sobering and challenging discussion, and pointing us to Psalm 85. Thank you so much. We lament with you.
Very thought provoking interview. Thank you Lisa for sharing your perspective.
Intention does not equal impact
She said it: Palestinian (liberation) theology has gone its own way. And it is hard or impossible for messianic jews to adopt. I find the same. Rev. Isaac Munther deliberately insults many sincere christians of being complicit with war and deaths in Gaza. He has become more of a politician than a pastor. He also endorses Africa’s genocide case against Israel at the ICJ. He has taken sides so that it breaks christianity. Although he does not advocate terrorism, he tries to explain it. But South Africa openly advocates Hamas and its methods. I see this discrepancy something I cannot overcome. It is purely disgusting. What Hamas did on Oct. 7, is definitely not resistance.
You mean the Christianity that advocates for genocide? They are not peacemakers. Munther is watching innocent children and family die, over 32,000 still counting. He’s calling for justice. If that’s political so be it.
Jesus stood against the religious leaders who were oppressing and taking advantage of people but he didn’t come with the purpose of standing against the evils of Rome…that material fight of the time wasn’t as important as eternal spiritual welfare. Reconciliation is great but we can’t have salvation without repentance. “Grace and truth” ❤
So whats yur take on palestenian Christians?
Just a thought, there has to be a lot of unpublished history by women in the form of letters and diaries. Just a passing thought.
This lady is awesome. Jesus had a disciple who was formerly a Zionist. That disciple abandoned that ideology.
She shouldn't feel so bad. It is just as bad in America for the most part. It's sad really.
Lets not forget that, if the land was under Arab rule instead of Jewish rule, then it wouldn't be any better than what the Jewish democratic state is right now... for example, it would be an Islamic state where everyone who is not a Muslim, will be a dhimmi or second class citizen as codified in law by shariah, Arabic would be the official language and islam the state religion, and it's festival's would be the official holidays. There would be no recognition for any other languages, religions or their festivals under an Arab ethno linguistic religious ridership either.
You are 100 percent correct, but God knows His own. He was still going to reach them, no matter what. There is nothing impossible with God. Between the two extremes, Judaism and Islam, lies Christianity, which can bring the two together, only if they can see it, without the Lord Jesus Christ, life is meaningless and hopeless. Love conquers all, it covers the magnitude of sin.
First off was Theodor Herzl an atheist? Even if he wasn't it still is a Christian view to act ahead of the Lord Himself when Christianity no it's waiting on Him to relieve the world of the Devil deception - Matthew 4:8,9; John 14:30; 1John 2:15-17. So to go ahead with man plan is a servant out of character for this political plan of Theodor Herzl hasn't come to fruitation an brought peace to a city that means just that - Jerusalem a city of peace yet these jewish people have wrought confusion and trampled over the land of Jerusalem - Luke 21:(24).
Very good interview. Great to hear her perspective but definitely doesn’t give the “Israeli side of things”
I find it odd that there is an "Israeli Christian." She has a Russian-Jewish background. 🤦🏻
Why is that odd? She's a Christian who lives in Israel
So I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but if you live in Israel you’re an Israeli. Crazy, right?
There is nothing odd about that. She is an Israeli citizen. So?
That She is a Christian is Not unusual, There are Many Christians who live in Isreal, that are Israelis.
Im glad she came on your show today and explained what is happening that she can help broaden our perspectives. Thankyou Ma'am for aiding in our knowledge, in Jesus Name, Amen. Respect & Prayers🙏❣
You’re all part of the problem. Bravo.
They are not a pluralistic society at all and no it can't be a democratic state.
The Palestinians are not pluralistic at all. No Jews live under Palestinian rule.
There are many Arab countries where Arabic is the language and Islam is the religion. Only one Jewish, Hebrew country. I don’t blame Israel for excluding Islam/Arabic.
Just to clarify there are in fact arab chrstians civillians who have been harmed too.
Just pointing out a Biblical Fact. Jews are from Judah, and Hebrews are from Iber/ a man. They were Iberu/ Hebrew.
So Isreal is not the Hebrew/ Isreal-ites of Ancient Days. Jews in Isreal are called Irealis, because they live in the State they Named "Isreal"
Isrealites were NOT called Israelis...
And Israelis are NOT Isrealites.
Different People
It says also in the 'Jewish Encyclopedia'
"Modern Jewry is Edom"
I would like to see you interview someone now with the opposite view point, who is pro Zionism, and who support Israel in this war. I still haven't heard you say what you think a country should do that gets brutally assaulted, such as Israel was on October 7th. Also, how can Israel defend herself with absolutely no civilian casualties? How many German civilian casualties were there during World War II? It seems easy to criticize Israel, but where are your solutions?
@@user-yz7gv8nm4h The problem with this is accepting the numbers from *Hamas* as if that terrorist organization is a morally equivalent power to the state of Israel. The evidence on the Palestinian side is quite lacking, even as they insist that Israel show videos of photos of every single murder and corpse before they can be believed. Complete double standard.
@@user-yz7gv8nm4h I must be missing something here: Hamas actually TARGETED civilians. They murdered men, women, and children on October 7th. Have you seen THEIR OWN videos of what they did? Israel is not targeting civilians. They in fact are even warning them to leave. To defend the ruthless and barbaric actions of Hamas is outrageous. For ANY reason.
How does this current situation in any way resemble the warfare in ww2?
@hamish001, I think it does, when you consider that 2 million Germans died in the allied bombardment to destroy the Nazi regime. War is a terrible and brutal thing. And there is no way to win a war without civilian casualties, once a war begins. All the more reason, why no one who has an ounce of decency or humanity, should start a war on purpose by attacking another nation. Anyone who does start a War, knowing full well, the horrific consequences that will ensue for its own citizens civilians, is truly evil and can no longer claim the moral high ground by crying about the casualties, especially when they have the cowardly immorality to hide behind women and children and use civilians as human shields.
i think that this channel is not a real Cristian one , he and his gusts use Islamic propaganda , i watched two of his videos , and i invited him to interview me as an arab Cristian Israeli . but i am sure he have a different agenda , i don't believe in random gusts , someone sponsor these videos the question is who . if you know who you will know the answer of why these interviews full of inaccuracy and lies sometimes .
I appreciate her compassionate view of people. However, she kind of justified the event of October 7 as being a reaction to the conditions in Gaza. Any fair minded person would reject those atrocities committed by Hamas and other Palestinian civilians on that day, and would not consider them to be justified at all.
with respect, see 39:54 "What happened on October 7th was not justifiable by anybody's standard...we denounce it we deplore it...there's no way that it can be seen as justifiable"
No, she did not. You had better practise your hearing and comprehension!
Jews consistently lived there for thousnds of years since before Christ and until 70 AD..even when they were kicked out of power by the Romans actually they never left completely even when the Romans took over and named the region Palestine after the enemies of the jew the philistines there were still jews that lived there predominantly in Jerusalem and there were times where throughout history there were more jews than anybody else as well I think she forgot to mention those things so there you go..she makes no sense. Jews also built all the temples and much of the land that they forfitted later to "palestinians"/arabs for peace even when they won it back after they were unjustly attacked..this lady has no idea what she is talking about
👑Paslms 122:6🙏Pray for the peace of Jerusalem🇮🇱they will prosper that 🩵👑
👑🙏✝️So says the Lord's Prayer✝️🙏👑
Please don't drink or figit - you are not a kindergartner ! while your speaker is talking. It is highly disrespectful - you are not on the sofa watching a show - thank you!
listen man , i watched two of your videos already , the one with the arab Palestinian Cristian and this video , i am so sorry for your viewers for the quantity of misinformation and leis in these two videos , i start to think that it's intentional . i am also an arab speaking Cristian orthodox that belong to a evangelical church in the last few years . if you want to continuo with this topic and doing more interviews please contact me and maybe your viewers will have an honest real historical info .
Go home you are drunk
Both these two people live in the USA. I question if they are in touch with the ground reality