Thank you Preston for continuing to platform voices that we need to hear. Don’t stop talking about Palestine. We pray for the peace of Jerusalem and all the land.
I feel educated every time I watch your interviews. I have grief over much of USA, traditional Christians and ignorance that prevails out of humanity and willingness to “take sides” without further desire to become aware. Thank you
Thank you so much for this Preston, and of course Munther. If this has piqued anyone's interest then please do consider going to Christ at the Checkpoint. It's scheduled for 21st-26th May in Bethlehem, and so far I'm have not heard that it's not taking place this year. Either way it takes place every other year and is live streamed over their website.
Thank you so much for your courage and clarity, Preston Sprinkle and Rev Munther Isaac. Dear God, Here in the US, the silence and inaction of many of us in the face of the killing of so many precious Palestinians, must end. Please forgive many of us for contributing to unspeakable agony and a huge and increasing number of deaths. Give us courage, humility, love and persistence to help turn this intolerable situation around. Show us how to build the world you want, where all people can live together in peace, justice, and kindness. Thank you for hearing this prayer and all the prayers of everyone, everywhere who turns to you for help. Amen.
I'm so thankful you've been doing these interviews. I'm learning a lot but also I feel a real sense of grief that I've never felt before about a topic that I'm sad to say I've never given much thought to. I've gone from mad to sad to crying to back to mad to feeling like there is no one to talk to in my circle about this to process it all.
Munther Isaac is a hero for us in the global south and beyond! The terror that has visit him and his flock is something I don't wish to ANYONE. But against all odds he keeps speaking the truth.
Thanks for having Munter Isaac, many people in the world dont know Palestinian christians [the corner stone of Christianity] also live in Palestine, this is a silent part we dont hear about.
I am a Christian and I 'm horrified by what is happening in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. You are not a good Christian if you justify this genocide . I pray for our brothers and sisters in Palestine and I have deep respect for Rev Munther Isaac.
Deir Yassin Massacre (April 1948), Abu Shusha Massacre (May 1948), Lydda Massacre (July 1948), Saliha Massacre (October 1948), Al-Dawayima Massacre (October, 1948), Qibya Massacre (October 1953), Kafr Qasim Massacre (October 1956), Khan Yunis Massacre (November 1956), Sabra and Shatila Massacres (September 1982), Al-Aqsa Massacre (October 1990), The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre (February 1994), Jenin Refugee Camp (April 2002), I could keep going on... Never ask a man his salary, never ask a women her age, never ask an Israeli for evidence... They should win an award for biggest victim actors in the world
@@johnpinckney7269 The Rothschilds state that slaughters children is not even remotely close to the state of Israel in the Bible. You are misleading the flock to the furnace. Revelation 2:9. You might be praising someone called Baal/Moloch via your Star of Remphan not David.
@@johnpinckney7269 That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life, if you are Christian then you ABSOLUTELY support the SEMITES of the land the Palestinians who were closer to the lineage of Jesus then some guy from poland burning babies who moved from Philly and stole land.
I am ashamed of how I have believed about the State of Israel. I couldn't help but think that what he is saying at the 54:38 mark when he addressed Replacement Theology....a lot of this applies to Christian Nationalism as well. Just a thought.
My child wouldn’t know how to get inside my body and operate. He may be able to say I won’t take care of you if you are invalid. But he can’t prevent or control invalidity.
Munther should be fulfilling the Great Commission. He should be seeking to win both Jews and Muslims to Christ, not fighting over land. He should be praying for peace. How many Hamas/Palestians has he led to Christ?
The Israel as colonizer argument is the place I get most stuck in trying to listen and sympathize. Who displaced who is dependent on the time frame you choose, obviously. And clearly Jews and Arabs/ Palestinians have resided in the broader region for-ever in record reed history. The reason external intervention was deemed necessary by other powers in the world is the clearly demonstrated desire and will to exile and exterminate Jews from the region. If the rest of the world had just stayed out, the greater Jewish holocaust could have continued as today’s Hamas would prefer. No matter what we or Jews or Canaanites believe God promised, politically, the establishment and defense of a Jewish state is not difficult to argue for and it is Humanitarian Not “colonization.”
Don’t they have a “ Jewish State” over there ? Why is the wall there. Why not remove the wall draw and border and Give PAlestine some land too ? You have a place to live. You want more. Every “ war “ is murder because somebody isn’t happy with what they have or someone is dictating in oppression. When you get over it. There will be peace. Until then. 😊. Casualty on both sides. Not one. ✝️
Historically your argument is wrong argument and your purposely want it to be wrong!! If you go back to history land is not for Israelites and many tribes lived there before them and at their time and after them!! But you choose that argument which even if it’s correct is morally wrong and natives have the right to resist Europeans Jews coming to massacre them after Palestinians welcomed them!!! If you choose to read you will know nakba and many Zionists are wrong and extreme t radical as Nazis even if you look it from every song angel But Zionist Christian’s choose to keep going and this will lead them to hell
I’m not rationalizing it. I just know peace is through strength. And freedom isn’t free. Sinners. Till the day we die. ✝️. Humility. Love. Contentment. Lack of covetousness. That’s what they’ll need.
A. Yes you did paralyze and neglect my family to its death. Yes you stumbled on a sad teen and you used him. Yes you are some kind of nuts here. And yes. I will address it at the appropriate time. 👨👩👦👦.
I see a lot of “thank you” comments. I’m not one of them. He’s upset that these people come & say they own this land because their God gave it to them. I thought he was a Christian. If he was, his God said that. So I don’t understand him. I never heard him say anything against what hamas did. Even when asked about it, he changed the subject. I’m sorry for everything Gaza is going through. I Pray for them everyday. The IDF warns them & hamas won’t let them leave. If the USA would have lost 40,000 people on 9.11, instead of 4,000, what would we have done??!!?? The USA doesn’t drop leaflets to warn before dropping a bomb. The IDF does. I’m sorry he’s there. The Palestinian’s have been offered a state & turned it down every time. They don’t want part, they want from the river to the sea. God gave the land to His people over 4,000 years ago. It’s His land, it’s all His land. He can give it to whoever He wants. I can’t believe as a Christian he can’t admit that. Sad.
Tantura. The history of Israel. Directed by Alon Schwarz. Year 2022 ruclips.net/video/uUUPc9gE4o8/видео.htmlsi=vkzKp-xMHMca1T1b Breaking The Silence. IDF soldiers invaded Palestinian homes every night. ruclips.net/p/PLAdRiGfqGG3DSMyAfLjbDsrCLqkZj5ETk&si=BjQBH0WZdjE2ZAKt Israel keeps building settlements in Palestinian area against Oslo Accord. Richard Barrett Irish MP year 2021 ruclips.net/video/R4Pd4Yt2buc/видео.htmlsi=AXsX5VOC5eYE6BnM Prof. Norman Finklestein debunking the lies of Palestinian rejecting the 2 states solution. ruclips.net/video/H4PckPdApIY/видео.htmlsi=dg0kqPTQehkK3LKe Gideon Levy, Israeli Haretz Journalist at Oxford Union 2016 Israel never wanted a 2 state solution. ruclips.net/video/a5zw3Yz-yas/видео.htmlsi=m5pRUscsluqaY5fh Ezr43l1 veterans proud of raping and massacring Palestinians in the village of Tantura in 1948. Documentary Tantura. ruclips.net/video/sWka3LDmsIk/видео.htmlsi=WfGHaVyDQVVkQ777 Tunnels were built by Israel in 1983 admitted by Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak. ruclips.net/video/fTF1zLzrpw8/видео.htmlsi=FcWSG4DuB0HSTjw3 ruclips.net/video/fTF1zLzrpw8/видео.htmlsi=FcWSG4DuB0HSTjw3 Debunking Israel's "mass rape" atrocity propaganda. Electronic Intifada ruclips.net/video/pMqRK5LpGy4/видео.htmlsi=yynPGU_WJ8ipHLCt Debunking Mass Rape Atrocities. The Grayzone. December 2023 ruclips.net/user/liveCPMf3CIa_BA?si=Q0behydLZkp-ll0V
I think you are confused this did not start on 7th October and the land belong to Palestine before it was given to Isreali, Palestians have been treated less than humans, God teach us to love your neighbor as yourself? God doesn't want us to kill unarmed children
@@beverlyjonas876, no, before 1947, Jews bought land. There were also Arab tenants and Arab villages. But definitely, not all land belonged to the Arabs. Therefore an idea of justice: to replace Israel with Palestine is not entitled. Arabs/Palestinians have rejected all partition plans including two state solution.
@@mirjahmlinen2698I think you’ve been listening to Ben Shapiro & the likes! This is NOT TRUE. Read some history books written by Jewish historians like Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pape & Niko Peled! Sorry to say that Netanyahu is the one who sabotaged the 2 State solution. FYI, the Palestinians did recognize the state of Israel. But Israel & the the US veto prevented the Palestinians from having their own state! There wouldn’t be A Hamas, if the Palestinians weren’t OCCUPIED!
@@mirjahmlinen2698The Palestinians didn’t have a problem with Jews. It’s Zionism that’s creating the problem. The Zionists who don’t believe in God are the ones who are committing the atrocities! Please try your best read some real not propaganda history.
📡🚫. In the United States we’ve established clear medical privacy standards and laws that require a trial by jury conviction. When we operate outside the boundaries of the law. We invite disasters.
Sorry, one more comment. Jesus was Prophet, Priest, and King. One of the jobs of a prophet is to tell a nation when to submit and when to fight an aggressor. Jesus told the Judeans to submit to Rome. His “turn the other cheek” instruction was part of that message. At other times, the O.T. prophets instructed the people to fight. Like an O.T. prophet, Jesus may also instruct nations to fight. At certain times, it may be entirely proper to resist Islam’s aggression with force. I don’t know if this is the correct interpretation, but it might be.
What confuses me most is pointing out what Israel is doing wrong but also many in the next two sentences after believe that Hamas was validated. So I'm not sure why a militant Muslim group who suddenly committed acts of terrorism is being praised. A militant Muslim group does not care about Jews or Christians in Palestine but they do care about controlling as much as the land as they desire. It becomes ironic for those supporting Hamas. It seems more like a you reap what you sow rather than an injustice.
True believers always have to stand by the Jews , Gods chosen nation, the apple of Gods eye, israel is Gods Land and His Name is written there .the ones that are fighting Israel are fighting the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob .
No. True believers always have to stand by Jesus. He is the fulfillment of all the promises which are for those who the father has given him. And the father has given him Jews and gentiles, including Palestinians.
lol. Have you read the ten commandments lately ? Did you know Jesus rose and showed himself to the people. And the Jews to this day deny Him. Palestine is the chosen. The way they live. God won’t judge them by the name. He will judge you by your deeds. Your hearts.
No, God sending many prophets to the tribe of pple means they were among the evil ones,e.g Nouh, jonah, Lut, moses sent to pharouh..... Receiving many prophets is simply because you were wrong doears not because you were righteous
Receiving many prophets means you were among the most evil tribes and God wanted to guide you,, moses sent to pharouh, Nouh sent to the most evil pple whom he preached for 950 years and still refused the message, Lut sent to the people of comola and sodomay, ( the homosexuals)
I could only stomach 30 minutes of this. Issac just spent most of that time engaging in lies, deflection, and historical revisionism. He is an Islamic sympathiser and may well be a Hamas mouthpiece.
I thought it was brilliant, as was Rev. Isaac's accompanying sermon 'Christ Under the Rubble'. I highly recommend it. I don't know if that's what you mean by 'Palestinian' garb but yes, in a way it is. Many Palestinians are surrounded or under rubble; a macabre form of 'garb', if you will. Christ would have been a Jew born in what is now called Palestine (since Bethlehem is in that region), ergo a Palestinian Jew. Nothing offensive in that since all are made in God's image, including Palestinians.
I thought it was powerful and true. Jesus was born into a land occupied by a military oppressor. Jesus loves children. Jesus stands with the oppressed. It showed me a powerful image of this truth that transcends time, place and all other isms. Don’t overthink it or make it something it isn’t.
Thank you Mr Horton for your intellectual integrity; thank you Rev. Munther for being a devout and brave servant of God From a Syrian Orthodox Christian in Egypt. May I quote from St. Paul to Galatians: For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ. There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. God bless you both
They will take part in judging of those who oppressed and killed innocent lives. Their blood is in their hands. The Mist High Yah can see what they've done and continue to do. These people do not believe in the Messiah, The only begotten Son of God. Descendants of Pharasees, Sanheedran in those days. Thet reject Him then, they reject Him now. They teach talmud instead of Yah's Word. They can still repent. These people are not the Israel of God. When Yah regathers His people, it will be under the Vine, Messiah/Jesus. 75 years and only less than 10% ? Believes on the Messiah. His people are scattered all over the world. Only He knows who they are. Israel is a gentile nation. If they believe on the Messiah, and abides in Yah's commandments/law. They can also be grafted in. 1 Corinthians 6:3
Wow. I see towards the end of this interview a similarity in view between Dr. Rev Munther and the Jewish Rabbi you interviewed as well 2 months before this one. I'm forgetting his name simply because I'm here typing this comment and watched that interview last night (i'll come back and add under or to this comment the name of that interview). The similarity I see is peace and sharing of the land. Am I correct in saying that Munther would be open to sharing the land peacefully? I remember the moment he talked about the settlers and the Palestinians. I do want to mention here too that the same Jewish Rabbi I earlier mentioned shared in that other interview that "settler" to the Jewish community simply meant to take care of/to come back to and tend, settle the land not colonize. Typing that last sentence there made me question that thinking though because it still does sound colonizing to me. I want to do more historical research about the land regarding Judaism and all the documents and what happened when. I learned so much about the Palestenian perspective from this one interview. Thank you so much for interviewing so many people and different perspectives. It's helping me a lot to gain true knowledge and form an honest opinion. 💚 Peace for all. No violence. No war.
So thankful for you, Preston! Thank you for being a clear voice for Jesus in a world where that’s hard to identify. So heartbroken for our Palestinian brothers and sisters. I’ve been an ignorant Western believer for too long and I’m so thankful for conversations like this that bring truth to light.
I am outraged Preston. I can only say a few sentences right now; I’ll be back. I listened to the other guests you had on taking about this war. I appreciate you doing so. I didn’t comment then because I didn’t think what I had to say was worth it. This episode however; I cannot remain quiet. There is so much to say about this and I’m only 20 mins in. Nearly everything he’s said has been lies. I can’t tell if he’s just “toting the party line”, if he’s nefarious, or a terrorist sympathizer. I supposed this might be a critique of the way you moderate your guests. I know you want to have a conversation and not an interview. I get frustrated when you let people lie and spread propaganda on your show. I’ll be back to retort on every lie he’s said.
So you believe Munther is a liar because what he says contradicts with what you know and learned from where exactly? Is it not possible that what you know is factually incorrect and what he is saying is true? There is nothing substantive he said that is factually incorrect.
Your dispensationalism Theology was a lie all along. Stop living in your bubble. You still denying babies were murdered? Do you support genocide? Or are you complicit? If yes, stop call yourself Christian!
Palestinian Christians (Arabs) are brown people. They have been living for generations with the muslims. If you heard at the start of the video, you can hear the call to prayer. The Israeli Jews are majority European descent that look like you. So there's a connection. My guess is it's your white supremacy mindset.
@@jirehla-ab1671 I don't remember what I wrote. It's been deleted by RUclips. I can't stand watching wounded children, hospitals destroyed, universities destroyed, journalist, health care personnel killed. Just watch Al Jazeera or Grayzone. These has to STOP! No more funding Israel, Ukraine etc. PEACE!
I didn't hear a lot of theology... Sounded more like a lot of appeal to emotion and personal relative experience. I appreciate the attempt, but it would be great to press the potential biblical justification for each point and wrestle with that instead of accepting arguments as simple as "of course you wouldn't do that, right?"
I'm feeling ill after listening to this podcast... I am a nonresistant Christian also, I don't believe in defending ourselves as Christians. I also do not believe that Israel now holds a special place in God's heart, I believe that was transferred to the church. And I have deep sympathy for the people who are being devastated in this war. Maybe I'm misunderstanding or just missing something. To me, this podcast seems to trivialize the horrors, the atrocities, the barbarism that occured on October 7th. You can't say you disagree with that act of terror and follow it with the word "but". The podcast almost in its entirety seemed to me to center on the victim status of the Palestinians without due recognition of the horrors suffered by the Israeli citizens on October 7th. Preston Sprinkle, how can you LAUGH when you ask Munther if he "gets tired" of being ask if he condemns the act of Hamas on October 7th??? That was one of your only, if not your one , acknowledgement that they were wrong. Will you also laugh in the face of the mother of the girl that was brutally raped by multiple Hamas "resistance" soldiers and then shot in the head. Laugh and tell HER that Munther is tired of being asked if he disagrees with those "resistance" soldiers. They are not the resistance. They are TERRORISTS. And when Munther says that Hamas are popular in Palestine right now, that makes the western Church more than a little "uncomfortable". You say you are not justifying their behavior, but that is exactly what you are doing. Munther describes them as the "oppressed". It all boils down to the "colonizers" and the "colonized", the "oppressors" and the "oppressed". That categorization automatically places Hamas in the sympathetic position. As Munther said, what are these young men to do, when they are so oppressed? (as if a normal result is to go and gang rape women, shoot them in the head, chop the heads off babies, murder parents in front of their children, I mean, what ELSE could they do??) Munther talks about living in that land for "generations". The Israilis lived there before the Palestinians. He talks about the Israeli army killing civilians. Hamas is the one who SPECIFICALLY went after civilians, not Israel. I do have deep sympathy for all the Palestinians who have been devastated by this war. But Preston, your bias is sickening. There is no "nuance". Hamas is a terror group. They are brutal murderers, savages. They need Jesus. And to hear this minister defend Hamas as the oppressed is horrifying.
Please stop repeating atrocity propaganda that has been proven 100% false. This is irresponsible, bearing false witness through gossip, fear mongering, harmful and therefore unChristlike. Do your due diligence in proper research of the facts. The truth shall set you free.
@@ST-111 I don't even own a television, I don't know what msm is. "all you care about is Oct. 7"... People like you should be forced to watch the videos that Hamas themselves put out, gang raping that young woman both vaginally and anally, murdering innocent civilians in horrific ways, KILLING BABIES. Then you can say "all you care about is Oct. 7th".
@AnthonyB I concur in this instance on the shame of the little airtime on October 7th etc (and I’m not even pro-Israel). Of course the pro-Palestinian perspective is favorable and safe to represent in more academic circles, it would be fascinating to equally represent on the podcast a Jew/Messianic Jew who does believe the ‘human shield’ perspective that Sprinkle finds repugnant.
I have been thinking the same. For some reason I cannot be convinced of the proper use of the words ”apartheid, genocide and occupation” in this context. I know there are check points and a lot of violence. And the situation has gone worse since the first intifada that I saw with my own eyes in Jerusalem.
You’re spreading misinformation here! Every main stream channel repeated the acct of Oct 7th ( some of which are found out to be blatant lies) like the beheaded babies and reapers). It’s coming out now. The main stream media spread those lies & yet to retract them! Lots of people died in the cross fire! The count if dead went down to 860.
I'm back. I said I’d rebut everything, but I’m not going to, that isn’t what my main point is about. My main point is about how you, Preston, deal with guests and what I believe to be a blind spot in how you handle commentary and information dissemination. I started and continue to listen to Theology in the Raw because I find you to be in genuine pursuit of truth and thoughtful in your discourse approach and consideration of the truth. I certainly see that in all things theology and Bible related, and pretty much everything church and culture related. Politics, however, is a different story. When talking about and dealing with politics, I think you punch right a lot more than you punch left. You say things, meaning you believe things, and allow things that are unfair or denigrating or over critical of the right that you wouldn’t if it was about the left. At least, I’ve not heard you deal with the right and left in the same way. Perhaps you don’t want to, that’s fine. But I don’t think that’s the case. I don’t think you even know you’re doing it. You might say that I’m overly sensitive to criticism of the right and can’t hear properly (as opposed to you not speaking properly, if you understand the analogy.) That’s a possibility, but, I don’t think so, and I offer some examples as evidence. The first is from the pod where you had a lady on offering her perspective about the Gaza war. The episode was promoted as offering a unique perspective based on the guest’s unique life circumstances (E.G.: a Palestinian christian living in Israel). Yet, her view was shaped more by her political philosophy and perhaps ideology of pacifism rather than her life circumstances. It seemed to me to be obvious this was the case, as I was excited to hear her perspective and was disappointed, yet you seemed oblivious to it. The second is from a pod a few months ago where you had a libertarian on talking about Christianity and libertarianism. There was conversation about the right, and specifically conservatism, and I found that conversation to nearly completely mischaracterize Conservatism. It really was not a very thoughtful conversation at all. In fact, I think you did precisely what your mission in TitR is supposed to be training people NOT to do. You seemed to be flippant, definitely mischaracterized your subject matter, and in so doing unfairly criticized and denigrated a point of view that you haven’t given adequate thought and consideration to. It was this episode that led me to believe you are slightly contemptuous of the conservative point of view, and leads me to speculate why. Then there’s this episode and Dr. Isaac. Words have meaning. When a public figure who should know the meaning of these words uses words in a way that is inconsistent with their meaning to the effect that it appeals to the emotions of their audience with the intent to sway them to their point of view or side, that public figure is being deceptive to further an agenda. I cannot tolerate that in anyone I respect, and conversely, I don’t respect anyone who uses those tactics to accomplish their goals. Dr. Isaac did just that. Genocide is a very clearly defined word. Anyone can look it up. It means the intentional and systematic murder of a people group because they are that people group. It was originally made to define in a word, the mass murder of the Jews by the Nazi regime. When I think of that word, the Rwandan genocide immediately comes to mind. What is happening in Gaza is terrible, tragic, unjust even, but it is certainly, without question, NOT genocide. I don’t know what Dr. Isaac’s agenda is, and I don’t much care if it’s noble or not, he is deceiving your audience to further it. And you let him. My problem is that I’m pretty sure that if someone on the right had dishonestly used a buzzword like that (which you say you are allergic to) in order to sway your audience to their point of view, you would have pushed back. You Preston are thoughtful, considerate, and in pursuit of truth in everything I see or hear you do…except this one area. I wish you would put as much thought into your political biases and the way you treat, in your discourse, politics overall, and the political right specifically, as you do everything else. I’ll be listening to TitR, and am looking forward to the conference coming up soon! God Bless you, your family and your ministry, Preston.
Hey Tyler, thanks so much for your comment. You ask some very good questions, and even though I rarely comment on RUclips (mostly for the sake of time!), I want to respond to some of your points. I want you to know (regarding this particular episode) that in my interview notes, I literally had a lengthy comment/pushback to Munther about the meaning, usage, and definition of genocide written out! Like you, I'm a big fan of using terms precisely and avoiding sweeping statements or using emotionally charged terms that can't be justified. I really intended to have this conversation with him but we ran out of time and we didn't get to it. (This happens in pretty much every episode; there are so many points that I wanted to get to but we just didn't have time.) However, while I was skeptical of the term "genocide" being applied to the situation in Gaza, after I've done a bit more research, now I'm not so sure. As far as the definition of "genocide" that you offer above, I'm not sure where you got that from. But the official definition of "genocide" is as follows: "Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." I assume you've read the 84 page report from South Africa (endorsed by many other nations) indicting Israel for attempting to commit genocide. (You confidently said that what's going on in Gaza is "without question" not genocide, even though many experts and national leaders disagree with this statement. Some experts on genocide have declared what's going on in Gaza as "textbook genocide." ) I've read the entire report and many commentaries on it, and Tyler, the extensive evidence presented in the document does appear pretty damning. I'm still not 100% convinced that what's going on in Gaza is genocide, but I need to see/hear more compelling evidence to the contrary--that is, evidence that accurately represents the argument of the indictment and offers more compelling evidence to the contrary--in order for me to be more convinced that what's actually going on in Gaza is NOT genocide. If you wish to engage with me on the SA report of genocide, I'm happy to do so. Please do cite which aspect of the accusation of genocide you disagree with and supply a superior argument, citing your sources, and I'm happy to engage with you on these. As far as letting "Dr. Isaac...deceive my audience," are you just referring to his use of the term genocide? (Which I've addressed.) Or are there other specific claims he made which you can factually disprove (with evidence)? As always on theology in the raw--which is more like conversations with a neighbor that authoritative sermons from a stage--I don't push back on every single word that my guests say. (Please listen to my Jan 1st episode on this point.) Just like how I'm now not pushing back on the 17 or so points you made that I could push back on. But if there are factual statements that Munther made that you can provide superior counter evidence for, I'm more than eager to read/listen to it. I'm mean this in good faith. I've spent more than 100 hours over the last 3 months at researching the history, and present situation, of the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's become a passion of mine. So I'm very eager to learn more about what's going on. If you have some substantial facts to offer I'm very eager to engage them. As far as sources go, I would genuinely be curious which of the New Historians you've read, digested, and interacted with, and which ones you agree/disagree with and why. I've found their historical research to be quite compelling. Also, I've found Darryl Cooper's 30 hour Martyrmade podcast series to be incredibly fair, thorough, both-sided, and compelling. Have you listened to this? And what are your thoughts? So much of our current views and passions have been filtered through various sources (CNN, Fox, Shapiro, MSNBC, etc.) So, I'm also a big fan of citing your sources so that I can have a better understanding of where people are getting their "facts" from. One more quick point. You said that I "had a lady on offering her perspective about the Gaza war" and referred to her as "a Palestinian christian living in Israel." She's actually an Israeli Christian (as the title of the episode makes clear), not a Palestinian Christian. And she did offer her perspective on the situation, which included her theology, political perspective, what she's learn from living in Israel for over 30 (or 40?) years, etc. I'm not sure exactly what you think I was "oblivious" to in this interview. Thanks again, Tyler, for listening to the podcast and for offering your valuable feedback. Many blessings on your life and ministry in NM!
@@PrestonSprinkleRaw Hey Preston, Thanks for responding. I know you probably won’t be able to respond again, but I wanted to respond, and to bring some clarity to some points you mentioned. Time is a big factor, and I understand that, so I withdraw my complaint about pushing back in this episode. And that’s really all I wanted to point out. I don’t have an interest in going through the points that I disagree with Dr. Isaac on, because that’s not my point. You have guests on all the time that you disagree with, and the point isn’t to argue with them, but to see their point of view and try to understand it. As far as genocide goes, again, my point isn’t to argue with you over the points, but I’ll answer some things. The definition of genocide I used was my summary. I did not read the South African report. It’s taken me, what 4-6 weeks(?) to find the time to read, digest and respond to this comment, much less read the SA report. After all, I’m not a first or second tier researcher, that’s why I listen to one! I will say, however, that the rejection of all points of the SA report by the biased UN International Court of Justice, should speak all that needs to be said about that report and any allegations of genocide. I’m not going to counterpoint anything Dr. Isaac said, as again, that’s not my point, except that I found it very interesting that he couldn’t condemn an organization on the US state department’s list of terrorist organizations. The New Historians and the history of Israel, again, I’m not interested in debating with you. That’s not the point. Though on this subject, I’m more interested in what is the just course of action to take now, as we cannot change the past. To the guest you had on offering her perspective on the Gaza war. I know she wasn’t a Palestinian Christian living in Israel, I did not refer to her as such. I used the description as an example for you to better understand what 4 episodes I was referring to, as I didn’t want to take the time to go back and find the specific episode, as I figured you would know what I was talking about; also, I did that to show what the episode was labelled as the unique perspective she brought to the conversation. That’s why I used “exempli gratia”, not “id est”. Yes she offered her perspective, but what was obvious to me was that the most influential aspect of her point of view was not her background, but her political/social anti-war ideology. You could have very nearly given her point of view, or at least the main points. This episode notwithstanding, my point was to say, I see a political bias in you and your media, and I wonder if you see it.
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Thank you Preston for continuing to platform voices that we need to hear. Don’t stop talking about Palestine. We pray for the peace of Jerusalem and all the land.
Thanks, Preston, for another conversation that adds depth to my understanding of a very difficult situation.
I feel educated every time I watch your interviews. I have grief over much of USA, traditional Christians and ignorance that prevails out of humanity and willingness to “take sides” without further desire to become aware. Thank you
Thank you so much for this Preston, and of course Munther. If this has piqued anyone's interest then please do consider going to Christ at the Checkpoint. It's scheduled for 21st-26th May in Bethlehem, and so far I'm have not heard that it's not taking place this year. Either way it takes place every other year and is live streamed over their website.
Thank you so much for your courage and clarity, Preston Sprinkle and Rev Munther Isaac.
Dear God, Here in the US, the silence and inaction of many of us in the face of the killing of so many precious Palestinians, must end. Please forgive many of us for contributing to unspeakable agony and a huge and increasing number of deaths. Give us courage, humility, love and persistence to help turn this intolerable situation around. Show us how to build the world you want, where all people can live together in peace, justice, and kindness. Thank you for hearing this prayer and all the prayers of everyone, everywhere who turns to you for help. Amen.
Amen 🙏
I'm so thankful you've been doing these interviews. I'm learning a lot but also I feel a real sense of grief that I've never felt before about a topic that I'm sad to say I've never given much thought to. I've gone from mad to sad to crying to back to mad to feeling like there is no one to talk to in my circle about this to process it all.
Hope things are better now. I know from my own experience that prayerful solidarity can be lonely in the US in certain times and places. 🙏
Munther Isaac is a hero for us in the global south and beyond! The terror that has visit him and his flock is something I don't wish to ANYONE. But against all odds he keeps speaking the truth.
Thank you for your comment which helps us see his incredibly brave work in a global context. He speaks truth that we in the US deeply need to hear.
Free Palestine ❤ so much love and respect to reverend Munther Isaac
Thanks for having Munter Isaac, many people in the world dont know Palestinian christians [the corner stone of Christianity] also live in Palestine, this is a silent part we dont hear about.
I am a Christian and I 'm horrified by what is happening in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
You are not a good Christian if you justify this genocide .
I pray for our brothers and sisters in Palestine and
I have deep respect for Rev Munther Isaac.
Deir Yassin Massacre (April 1948), Abu Shusha Massacre (May 1948), Lydda Massacre (July 1948), Saliha Massacre (October 1948), Al-Dawayima Massacre (October, 1948), Qibya Massacre (October 1953), Kafr Qasim Massacre (October 1956), Khan Yunis Massacre (November 1956), Sabra and Shatila Massacres (September 1982), Al-Aqsa Massacre (October 1990), The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre (February 1994), Jenin Refugee Camp (April 2002), I could keep going on...
Never ask a man his salary, never ask a women her age, never ask an Israeli for evidence... They should win an award for biggest victim actors in the world
You are not doing your Christian duty if you spread slander about Israel. "Buy the truth and sell it not." proverbs. See Col Richard Kemp on this.
@@johnpinckney7269 The Rothschilds state that slaughters children is not even remotely close to the state of Israel in the Bible. You are misleading the flock to the furnace. Revelation 2:9. You might be praising someone called Baal/Moloch via your Star of Remphan not David.
@@johnpinckney7269 That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life, if you are Christian then you ABSOLUTELY support the SEMITES of the land the Palestinians who were closer to the lineage of Jesus then some guy from poland burning babies who moved from Philly and stole land.
🏩. You got a long way to go UW. A lot to learn Madison. ✝️. Welcome to Vail.
I am ashamed of how I have believed about the State of Israel.
I couldn't help but think that what he is saying at the 54:38 mark when he addressed Replacement Theology....a lot of this applies to Christian Nationalism as well. Just a thought.
i am sorry but you believe lies about Israel. think
My child wouldn’t know how to get inside my body and operate. He may be able to say I won’t take care of you if you are invalid. But he can’t prevent or control invalidity.
Thankyou so much for this.
Munther should be fulfilling the Great Commission. He should be seeking to win both Jews and Muslims to Christ, not fighting over land. He should be praying for peace. How many Hamas/Palestians has he led to Christ?
The Israel as colonizer argument is the place I get most stuck in trying to listen and sympathize. Who displaced who is dependent on the time frame you choose, obviously. And clearly Jews and Arabs/ Palestinians have resided in the broader region for-ever in record reed history. The reason external intervention was deemed necessary by other powers in the world is the clearly demonstrated desire and will to exile and exterminate Jews from the region. If the rest of the world had just stayed out, the greater Jewish holocaust could have continued as today’s Hamas would prefer. No matter what we or Jews or Canaanites believe God promised, politically, the establishment and defense of a Jewish state is not difficult to argue for and it is Humanitarian Not “colonization.”
Don’t they have a “ Jewish State” over there ? Why is the wall there. Why not remove the wall draw and border and Give PAlestine some land too ? You have a place to live. You want more. Every “ war “ is murder because somebody isn’t happy with what they have or someone is dictating in oppression. When you get over it. There will be peace. Until then. 😊. Casualty on both sides. Not one. ✝️
Historically your argument is wrong argument and your purposely want it to be wrong!! If you go back to history land is not for Israelites and many tribes lived there before them and at their time and after them!! But you choose that argument which even if it’s correct is morally wrong and natives have the right to resist Europeans Jews coming to massacre them after Palestinians welcomed them!!! If you choose to read you will know nakba and many
Zionists are wrong and extreme t radical as Nazis even if you look it from every song angel
But Zionist Christian’s choose to keep going and this will lead them to hell
What would Jesus do?
I’m not rationalizing it. I just know peace is through strength. And freedom isn’t free. Sinners. Till the day we die. ✝️. Humility. Love. Contentment. Lack of covetousness. That’s what they’ll need.
A. Yes you did paralyze and neglect my family to its death. Yes you stumbled on a sad teen and you used him. Yes you are some kind of nuts here. And yes. I will address it at the appropriate time. 👨👩👦👦.
Some Christians in the west are living the same apartheid you are.
I see a lot of “thank you” comments. I’m not one of them. He’s upset that these people come & say they own this land because their God gave it to them. I thought he was a Christian. If he was, his God said that. So I don’t understand him. I never heard him say anything against what hamas did. Even when asked about it, he changed the subject. I’m sorry for everything Gaza is going through. I Pray for them everyday. The IDF warns them & hamas won’t let them leave. If the USA would have lost 40,000 people on 9.11, instead of 4,000, what would we have done??!!?? The USA doesn’t drop leaflets to warn before dropping a bomb. The IDF does. I’m sorry he’s there. The Palestinian’s have been offered a state & turned it down every time. They don’t want part, they want from the river to the sea. God gave the land to His people over 4,000 years ago. It’s His land, it’s all His land. He can give it to whoever He wants. I can’t believe as a Christian he can’t admit that. Sad.
Tantura. The history of Israel. Directed by Alon Schwarz. Year 2022
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Breaking The Silence. IDF soldiers invaded Palestinian homes every night.
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Israel keeps building settlements in Palestinian area against Oslo Accord. Richard Barrett Irish MP year 2021
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Prof. Norman Finklestein debunking the lies of Palestinian rejecting the 2 states solution.
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Gideon Levy, Israeli Haretz Journalist at Oxford Union 2016
Israel never wanted a 2 state solution.
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Ezr43l1 veterans proud of raping and massacring Palestinians in the village of Tantura in 1948. Documentary Tantura.
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Tunnels were built by Israel in 1983 admitted by Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
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Debunking Israel's "mass rape" atrocity propaganda. Electronic Intifada
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Debunking Mass Rape Atrocities. The Grayzone. December 2023
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I think you are confused this did not start on 7th October and the land belong to Palestine before it was given to Isreali, Palestians have been treated less than humans, God teach us to love your neighbor as yourself? God doesn't want us to kill unarmed children
@@beverlyjonas876, no, before 1947, Jews bought land. There were also Arab tenants and Arab villages. But definitely, not all land belonged to the Arabs. Therefore an idea of justice: to replace Israel with Palestine is not entitled. Arabs/Palestinians have rejected all partition plans including two state solution.
@@mirjahmlinen2698I think you’ve been listening to Ben Shapiro & the likes! This is NOT TRUE. Read some history books written by Jewish historians like Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pape & Niko Peled! Sorry to say that Netanyahu is the one who sabotaged the 2 State solution. FYI, the Palestinians did recognize the state of Israel. But Israel & the the US veto prevented the Palestinians from having their own state! There wouldn’t be A Hamas, if the Palestinians weren’t OCCUPIED!
@@mirjahmlinen2698The Palestinians didn’t have a problem with Jews. It’s Zionism that’s creating the problem. The Zionists who don’t believe in God are the ones who are committing the atrocities! Please try your best read some real not propaganda history.
Interviewer needs more experience
📡🚫. In the United States we’ve established clear medical privacy standards and laws that require a trial by jury conviction. When we operate outside the boundaries of the law. We invite disasters.
✡️ and ✝️ are peaceful people. They want peace. Those who bless Israel will be blessed those who curse Israel will be cursed.
Indeed prophet jacob but not zionism members
Sorry, one more comment. Jesus was Prophet, Priest, and King. One of the jobs of a prophet is to tell a nation when to submit and when to fight an aggressor. Jesus told the Judeans to submit to Rome. His “turn the other cheek” instruction was part of that message. At other times, the O.T. prophets instructed the people to fight. Like an O.T. prophet, Jesus may also instruct nations to fight. At certain times, it may be entirely proper to resist Islam’s aggression with force. I don’t know if this is the correct interpretation, but it might be.
What confuses me most is pointing out what Israel is doing wrong but also many in the next two sentences after believe that Hamas was validated. So I'm not sure why a militant Muslim group who suddenly committed acts of terrorism is being praised. A militant Muslim group does not care about Jews or Christians in Palestine but they do care about controlling as much as the land as they desire. It becomes ironic for those supporting Hamas. It seems more like a you reap what you sow rather than an injustice.
It seems like the world hates The Lord's chosen people.
Yes they do! They hate Born again Christians
📡🎥🚫. ✝️. Clear and present danger.
This war is horrifying Dr. Munther - and wrong! Not at all how Jesus wants us to live.
True believers always have to stand by the Jews , Gods chosen nation, the apple of Gods eye, israel is Gods Land and His Name is written there .the ones that are fighting Israel are fighting the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob .
No. True believers always have to stand by Jesus. He is the fulfillment of all the promises which are for those who the father has given him. And the father has given him Jews and gentiles, including Palestinians.
The people who God sent them many prophets means they were the most evil,, jews and Arabs,,,,
lol. Have you read the ten commandments lately ? Did you know Jesus rose and showed himself to the people. And the Jews to this day deny Him. Palestine is the chosen. The way they live. God won’t judge them by the name. He will judge you by your deeds. Your hearts.
No, God sending many prophets to the tribe of pple means they were among the evil ones,e.g Nouh, jonah, Lut, moses sent to pharouh..... Receiving many prophets is simply because you were wrong doears not because you were righteous
Receiving many prophets means you were among the most evil tribes and God wanted to guide you,, moses sent to pharouh, Nouh sent to the most evil pple whom he preached for 950 years and still refused the message, Lut sent to the people of comola and sodomay, ( the homosexuals)
✝️🧑🍼🧍🧍. Not with my sons your not. Uw.
I could only stomach 30 minutes of this. Issac just spent most of that time engaging in lies, deflection, and historical revisionism. He is an Islamic sympathiser and may well be a Hamas mouthpiece.
Not my child.
Wife of a us marine. Whose life was taken by the country he served. What else is new.
I really want to know what most Christians thought about the nativity set up in Bethlehem, where the baby Jesus had Palestinian garb over him…
To put it mildly, I did not really care for it. Lol
I thought it was brilliant, as was Rev. Isaac's accompanying sermon 'Christ Under the Rubble'. I highly recommend it. I don't know if that's what you mean by 'Palestinian' garb but yes, in a way it is. Many Palestinians are surrounded or under rubble; a macabre form of 'garb', if you will. Christ would have been a Jew born in what is now called Palestine (since Bethlehem is in that region), ergo a Palestinian Jew. Nothing offensive in that since all are made in God's image, including Palestinians.
I thought it was powerful and true. Jesus was born into a land occupied by a military oppressor. Jesus loves children. Jesus stands with the oppressed. It showed me a powerful image of this truth that transcends time, place and all other isms. Don’t overthink it or make it something it isn’t.
Thank you Mr
Horton for your intellectual integrity; thank you Rev. Munther for being a devout and brave servant of God
From a Syrian Orthodox Christian in Egypt. May I quote from St. Paul to Galatians: For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ. There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. God bless you both
Read Romans chapters 9 to 11.
We support you Munther. From Australia.
They will take part in judging of those who oppressed and killed innocent lives. Their blood is in their hands. The Mist High Yah can see what they've done and continue to do. These people do not believe in the Messiah, The only begotten Son of God. Descendants of Pharasees, Sanheedran in those days. Thet reject Him then, they reject Him now. They teach talmud instead of Yah's Word. They can still repent. These people are not the Israel of God. When Yah regathers His people, it will be under the Vine, Messiah/Jesus. 75 years and only less than 10% ? Believes on the Messiah. His people are scattered all over the world. Only He knows who they are. Israel is a gentile nation. If they believe on the Messiah, and abides in Yah's commandments/law. They can also be grafted in.
1 Corinthians 6:3
Wow. I see towards the end of this interview a similarity in view between Dr. Rev Munther and the Jewish Rabbi you interviewed as well 2 months before this one. I'm forgetting his name simply because I'm here typing this comment and watched that interview last night (i'll come back and add under or to this comment the name of that interview). The similarity I see is peace and sharing of the land. Am I correct in saying that Munther would be open to sharing the land peacefully? I remember the moment he talked about the settlers and the Palestinians. I do want to mention here too that the same Jewish Rabbi I earlier mentioned shared in that other interview that "settler" to the Jewish community simply meant to take care of/to come back to and tend, settle the land not colonize. Typing that last sentence there made me question that thinking though because it still does sound colonizing to me. I want to do more historical research about the land regarding Judaism and all the documents and what happened when. I learned so much about the Palestenian perspective from this one interview. Thank you so much for interviewing so many people and different perspectives. It's helping me a lot to gain true knowledge and form an honest opinion. 💚 Peace for all. No violence. No war.
So thankful for you, Preston! Thank you for being a clear voice for Jesus in a world where that’s hard to identify.
So heartbroken for our Palestinian brothers and sisters. I’ve been an ignorant Western believer for too long and I’m so thankful for conversations like this that bring truth to light.
American Christians should read THE OLD TESTAMENT ROOTS OF NONVIOLENCE by Philip Friesen.
Thank you so much Dr Munther,its appalling what so called hypocrites calling themselves Christians cheer on. Bless and Peace to you
@@naaodey7896 don't forget to pick up your brain,it's on the ground. You're the fake Christian am referring to,very hypocritical.
@@naaodey7896 what do you know about the Bible? Holier than thou? People like you bring shame to the Faith and Jesus is ashamed of you.
@@naaodey7896 should I blame you or your brain?
@@naaodey7896 you're the exact description of hypocrites am referring to.
@@naaodey7896 iam well at Peace knowing the truth,it has set me free from the bondage you're still stuck in.
May the peace that surpasses all understanding hover over your life Reverend Isaac. My heart goes out to you and the Palestinians.
I am outraged Preston. I can only say a few sentences right now; I’ll be back.
I listened to the other guests you had on taking about this war. I appreciate you doing so. I didn’t comment then because I didn’t think what I had to say was worth it.
This episode however; I cannot remain quiet. There is so much to say about this and I’m only 20 mins in. Nearly everything he’s said has been lies. I can’t tell if he’s just “toting the party line”, if he’s nefarious, or a terrorist sympathizer.
I supposed this might be a critique of the way you moderate your guests. I know you want to have a conversation and not an interview. I get frustrated when you let people lie and spread propaganda on your show.
I’ll be back to retort on every lie he’s said.
So you believe Munther is a liar because what he says contradicts with what you know and learned from where exactly?
Is it not possible that what you know is factually incorrect and what he is saying is true?
There is nothing substantive he said that is factually incorrect.
Your dispensationalism Theology was a lie all along. Stop living in your bubble. You still denying babies were murdered? Do you support genocide? Or are you complicit? If yes, stop call yourself Christian!
Palestinian Christians (Arabs) are brown people. They have been living for generations with the muslims. If you heard at the start of the video, you can hear the call to prayer.
The Israeli Jews are majority European descent that look like you. So there's a connection. My guess is it's your white supremacy mindset.
@@selfreflection2117when u say white supremacy mindset, do u mean capitalist mindset?
@@jirehla-ab1671 I don't remember what I wrote. It's been deleted by RUclips. I can't stand watching wounded children, hospitals destroyed, universities destroyed, journalist, health care personnel killed. Just watch Al Jazeera or Grayzone. These has to STOP! No more funding Israel, Ukraine etc. PEACE!
I didn't hear a lot of theology... Sounded more like a lot of appeal to emotion and personal relative experience. I appreciate the attempt, but it would be great to press the potential biblical justification for each point and wrestle with that instead of accepting arguments as simple as "of course you wouldn't do that, right?"
He answered the questions he was asked!
📡🎥. That’s the wall. 🏩. You think your superior. And your not. 🚌
Pastor Isaac’s children were killed.
Sex on the web. Weather you want to engage. Or not.
Thank you so much for this video. It was very beneficial. Keep up the Great Work! Much appreciated!
I'm feeling ill after listening to this podcast... I am a nonresistant Christian also, I don't believe in defending ourselves as Christians. I also do not believe that Israel now holds a special place in God's heart, I believe that was transferred to the church. And I have deep sympathy for the people who are being devastated in this war. Maybe I'm misunderstanding or just missing something. To me, this podcast seems to trivialize the horrors, the atrocities, the barbarism that occured on October 7th. You can't say you disagree with that act of terror and follow it with the word "but". The podcast almost in its entirety seemed to me to center on the victim status of the Palestinians without due recognition of the horrors suffered by the Israeli citizens on October 7th. Preston Sprinkle, how can you LAUGH when you ask Munther if he "gets tired" of being ask if he condemns the act of Hamas on October 7th??? That was one of your only, if not your one , acknowledgement that they were wrong. Will you also laugh in the face of the mother of the girl that was brutally raped by multiple Hamas "resistance" soldiers and then shot in the head. Laugh and tell HER that Munther is tired of being asked if he disagrees with those "resistance" soldiers. They are not the resistance. They are TERRORISTS. And when Munther says that Hamas are popular in Palestine right now, that makes the western Church more than a little "uncomfortable". You say you are not justifying their behavior, but that is exactly what you are doing. Munther describes them as the "oppressed". It all boils down to the "colonizers" and the "colonized", the "oppressors" and the "oppressed". That categorization automatically places Hamas in the sympathetic position. As Munther said, what are these young men to do, when they are so oppressed? (as if a normal result is to go and gang rape women, shoot them in the head, chop the heads off babies, murder parents in front of their children, I mean, what ELSE could they do??)
Munther talks about living in that land for "generations". The Israilis lived there before the Palestinians. He talks about the Israeli army killing civilians. Hamas is the one who SPECIFICALLY went after civilians, not Israel.
I do have deep sympathy for all the Palestinians who have been devastated by this war. But Preston, your bias is sickening. There is no "nuance". Hamas is a terror group. They are brutal murderers, savages. They need Jesus. And to hear this minister defend Hamas as the oppressed is horrifying.
Please stop repeating atrocity propaganda that has been proven 100% false. This is irresponsible, bearing false witness through gossip, fear mongering, harmful and therefore unChristlike. Do your due diligence in proper research of the facts. The truth shall set you free.
Stop beating around the bush. Come out fully and support Zionist.
You watch too much msm.
Edit: palestinians have been oppressed for decades and all you care about is Oct 7. I think its obvious who’s biased here.
@@ST-111 I don't even own a television, I don't know what msm is. "all you care about is Oct. 7"... People like you should be forced to watch the videos that Hamas themselves put out, gang raping that young woman both vaginally and anally, murdering innocent civilians in horrific ways, KILLING BABIES. Then you can say "all you care about is Oct. 7th".
This is quite the ignorant take, I actually don’t know how to respond accordingly. A shame.
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Thank you for doing this!
@AnthonyB
I concur in this instance on the shame of the little airtime on October 7th etc (and I’m not even pro-Israel). Of course the pro-Palestinian perspective is favorable and safe to represent in more academic circles, it would be fascinating to equally represent on the podcast a Jew/Messianic Jew who does believe the ‘human shield’ perspective that Sprinkle finds repugnant.
I have been thinking the same. For some reason I cannot be convinced of the proper use of the words ”apartheid, genocide and occupation” in this context. I know there are check points and a lot of violence. And the situation has gone worse since the first intifada that I saw with my own eyes in Jerusalem.
You’re spreading misinformation here! Every main stream channel repeated the acct of Oct 7th ( some of which are found out to be blatant lies) like the beheaded babies and reapers). It’s coming out now. The main stream media spread those lies & yet to retract them! Lots of people died in the cross fire! The count if dead went down to 860.
I'm back.
I said I’d rebut everything, but I’m not going to, that isn’t what my main point is about.
My main point is about how you, Preston, deal with guests and what I believe to be a blind spot in how you handle commentary and information dissemination. I started and continue to listen to Theology in the Raw because I find you to be in genuine pursuit of truth and thoughtful in your discourse approach and consideration of the truth. I certainly see that in all things theology and Bible related, and pretty much everything church and culture related. Politics, however, is a different story.
When talking about and dealing with politics, I think you punch right a lot more than you punch left. You say things, meaning you believe things, and allow things that are unfair or denigrating or over critical of the right that you wouldn’t if it was about the left. At least, I’ve not heard you deal with the right and left in the same way. Perhaps you don’t want to, that’s fine. But I don’t think that’s the case. I don’t think you even know you’re doing it. You might say that I’m overly sensitive to criticism of the right and can’t hear properly (as opposed to you not speaking properly, if you understand the analogy.) That’s a possibility, but, I don’t think so, and I offer some examples as evidence.
The first is from the pod where you had a lady on offering her perspective about the Gaza war. The episode was promoted as offering a unique perspective based on the guest’s unique life circumstances (E.G.: a Palestinian christian living in Israel). Yet, her view was shaped more by her political philosophy and perhaps ideology of pacifism rather than her life circumstances. It seemed to me to be obvious this was the case, as I was excited to hear her perspective and was disappointed, yet you seemed oblivious to it.
The second is from a pod a few months ago where you had a libertarian on talking about Christianity and libertarianism. There was conversation about the right, and specifically conservatism, and I found that conversation to nearly completely mischaracterize Conservatism. It really was not a very thoughtful conversation at all. In fact, I think you did precisely what your mission in TitR is supposed to be training people NOT to do. You seemed to be flippant, definitely mischaracterized your subject matter, and in so doing unfairly criticized and denigrated a point of view that you haven’t given adequate thought and consideration to. It was this episode that led me to believe you are slightly contemptuous of the conservative point of view, and leads me to speculate why.
Then there’s this episode and Dr. Isaac. Words have meaning. When a public figure who should know the meaning of these words uses words in a way that is inconsistent with their meaning to the effect that it appeals to the emotions of their audience with the intent to sway them to their point of view or side, that public figure is being deceptive to further an agenda. I cannot tolerate that in anyone I respect, and conversely, I don’t respect anyone who uses those tactics to accomplish their goals. Dr. Isaac did just that.
Genocide is a very clearly defined word. Anyone can look it up. It means the intentional and systematic murder of a people group because they are that people group. It was originally made to define in a word, the mass murder of the Jews by the Nazi regime. When I think of that word, the Rwandan genocide immediately comes to mind. What is happening in Gaza is terrible, tragic, unjust even, but it is certainly, without question, NOT genocide.
I don’t know what Dr. Isaac’s agenda is, and I don’t much care if it’s noble or not, he is deceiving your audience to further it. And you let him. My problem is that I’m pretty sure that if someone on the right had dishonestly used a buzzword like that (which you say you are allergic to) in order to sway your audience to their point of view, you would have pushed back.
You Preston are thoughtful, considerate, and in pursuit of truth in everything I see or hear you do…except this one area. I wish you would put as much thought into your political biases and the way you treat, in your discourse, politics overall, and the political right specifically, as you do everything else. I’ll be listening to TitR, and am looking forward to the conference coming up soon!
God Bless you, your family and your ministry, Preston.
Hey Tyler, thanks so much for your comment. You ask some very good questions, and even though I rarely comment on RUclips (mostly for the sake of time!), I want to respond to some of your points.
I want you to know (regarding this particular episode) that in my interview notes, I literally had a lengthy comment/pushback to Munther about the meaning, usage, and definition of genocide written out! Like you, I'm a big fan of using terms precisely and avoiding sweeping statements or using emotionally charged terms that can't be justified. I really intended to have this conversation with him but we ran out of time and we didn't get to it. (This happens in pretty much every episode; there are so many points that I wanted to get to but we just didn't have time.)
However, while I was skeptical of the term "genocide" being applied to the situation in Gaza, after I've done a bit more research, now I'm not so sure.
As far as the definition of "genocide" that you offer above, I'm not sure where you got that from. But the official definition of "genocide" is as follows:
"Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
I assume you've read the 84 page report from South Africa (endorsed by many other nations) indicting Israel for attempting to commit genocide. (You confidently said that what's going on in Gaza is "without question" not genocide, even though many experts and national leaders disagree with this statement. Some experts on genocide have declared what's going on in Gaza as "textbook genocide." ) I've read the entire report and many commentaries on it, and Tyler, the extensive evidence presented in the document does appear pretty damning. I'm still not 100% convinced that what's going on in Gaza is genocide, but I need to see/hear more compelling evidence to the contrary--that is, evidence that accurately represents the argument of the indictment and offers more compelling evidence to the contrary--in order for me to be more convinced that what's actually going on in Gaza is NOT genocide.
If you wish to engage with me on the SA report of genocide, I'm happy to do so. Please do cite which aspect of the accusation of genocide you disagree with and supply a superior argument, citing your sources, and I'm happy to engage with you on these.
As far as letting "Dr. Isaac...deceive my audience," are you just referring to his use of the term genocide? (Which I've addressed.) Or are there other specific claims he made which you can factually disprove (with evidence)? As always on theology in the raw--which is more like conversations with a neighbor that authoritative sermons from a stage--I don't push back on every single word that my guests say. (Please listen to my Jan 1st episode on this point.) Just like how I'm now not pushing back on the 17 or so points you made that I could push back on. But if there are factual statements that Munther made that you can provide superior counter evidence for, I'm more than eager to read/listen to it.
I'm mean this in good faith. I've spent more than 100 hours over the last 3 months at researching the history, and present situation, of the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's become a passion of mine. So I'm very eager to learn more about what's going on. If you have some substantial facts to offer I'm very eager to engage them.
As far as sources go, I would genuinely be curious which of the New Historians you've read, digested, and interacted with, and which ones you agree/disagree with and why. I've found their historical research to be quite compelling. Also, I've found Darryl Cooper's 30 hour Martyrmade podcast series to be incredibly fair, thorough, both-sided, and compelling. Have you listened to this? And what are your thoughts?
So much of our current views and passions have been filtered through various sources (CNN, Fox, Shapiro, MSNBC, etc.) So, I'm also a big fan of citing your sources so that I can have a better understanding of where people are getting their "facts" from.
One more quick point. You said that I "had a lady on offering her perspective about the Gaza war" and referred to her as "a Palestinian christian living in Israel." She's actually an Israeli Christian (as the title of the episode makes clear), not a Palestinian Christian. And she did offer her perspective on the situation, which included her theology, political perspective, what she's learn from living in Israel for over 30 (or 40?) years, etc. I'm not sure exactly what you think I was "oblivious" to in this interview.
Thanks again, Tyler, for listening to the podcast and for offering your valuable feedback. Many blessings on your life and ministry in NM!
@@PrestonSprinkleRaw Hey Preston,
Thanks for responding. I know you probably won’t be able to respond again, but I wanted to respond, and to bring some clarity to some points you mentioned.
Time is a big factor, and I understand that, so I withdraw my complaint about pushing back in this episode. And that’s really all I wanted to point out. I don’t have an interest in going through the points that I disagree with Dr. Isaac on, because that’s not my point. You have guests on all the time that you disagree with, and the point isn’t to argue with them, but to see their point of view and try to understand it.
As far as genocide goes, again, my point isn’t to argue with you over the points, but I’ll answer some things. The definition of genocide I used was my summary. I did not read the South African report. It’s taken me, what 4-6 weeks(?) to find the time to read, digest and respond to this comment, much less read the SA report. After all, I’m not a first or second tier researcher, that’s why I listen to one! I will say, however, that the rejection of all points of the SA report by the biased UN International Court of Justice, should speak all that needs to be said about that report and any allegations of genocide.
I’m not going to counterpoint anything Dr. Isaac said, as again, that’s not my point, except that I found it very interesting that he couldn’t condemn an organization on the US state department’s list of terrorist organizations.
The New Historians and the history of Israel, again, I’m not interested in debating with you. That’s not the point. Though on this subject, I’m more interested in what is the just course of action to take now, as we cannot change the past.
To the guest you had on offering her perspective on the Gaza war. I know she wasn’t a Palestinian Christian living in Israel, I did not refer to her as such. I used the description as an example for you to better understand what 4 episodes I was referring to, as I didn’t want to take the time to go back and find the specific episode, as I figured you would know what I was talking about; also, I did that to show what the episode was labelled as the unique perspective she brought to the conversation. That’s why I used “exempli gratia”, not “id est”. Yes she offered her perspective, but what was obvious to me was that the most influential aspect of her point of view was not her background, but her political/social anti-war ideology. You could have very nearly given her point of view, or at least the main points.
This episode notwithstanding, my point was to say, I see a political bias in you and your media, and I wonder if you see it.
@tylerfb1: do you want to take back your comments about Rev. Issac now?
@@golightly5121 uhh, no. They've only gotten more valid.
@@tylerfb1 : 185,000 dead in Gaza and that’s not genocide? I am not understanding you.
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This is sobering to hear. Thank you!
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