Water In Spark Plug Hole, Engine Missfire, 2018 Ford Ka Plus 1 2.... (part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2022
- 2018 ford ka plus active ti vct 1.2 with 21k miles on the clock developed a engine misfire after a round trip of approx 120 miles...we found water in no1 spark plug hole and trying to establish how the water got there...in the end we believe it was the result of the vehicle being washed with a pressure washer the previous day....
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Miss moni is a sight for sore eyes. Stunning.
great camera work, there's a wonderful 3d effect in parts of the video...
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Strange how that fault occurred. Monica always has abreast of things 😉
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The lovely Monica makes another appearance ❤️❤️.
Alan, Another excellent video. You have a great way of explaining these problems & how you go about solving the issues. 👍
cheers blackbird, there is part 2 to this one as we found the issue now
Great video yet again Alan, top work. Always highly informative, and lovely Monica looking amazing as a bonus!! Cheers !!!
thanks andy, there is a part 2 as we found more lol
Solved my problems quickly and gave me the idea what happened to my ford fiesta as this morning the mechanic made an observation on my car and found plenty of water around the spark plugs and surprised why the car does not have much power. Great video
Fantastic Alan 🤩 I had a Mazda 323 back in the day and I did the very same thing 😆 I pressure washed the engine and hey 👋🏻 presto the plug holes were full of water and it stalled 😖 Love that Monica told the truth 👍🏻
Great stuff Monika and Alan, agree with You 100% about pressure washing👌👍🙂
Monica going all steampunk, Interesting. Great video as always Alan.
cheers 087mail
monica has a lovely pair.... of goggles there...
condensation buildup, sucked in by temp changes, been sitting at the bottom like that a while, minding its own, then boiled up on the long journey + shorted plug out. seal up with silicone grease around top after fully drying out. aah yes, snapped plugs on hcs, daily occurance
cheers paul, we found the water leak now, part 2 coming out
Great fix and video nice headlights 😉
lol, cheers cucumber man
Monika looking gorgeous as always😍😍
cheers superseven
hi alan,it was nice to see monis headlights on high beam,lol
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Chances are the engine was pressure washed at some point before sale.
Excellent video Allen, thank you for sharing. 🙂👍
My first thought was that the selling dealer had pressure washed the engine bay to spruce it up. Just a little bit of inattention and you can blast a load of water where it should not be.
cheers kevin, we found the issue, part 2 coming out
Hello Alan, absolutely spot on with pressure washers, avoid like the plague. Yes have been there with motorcycle engines and repairing other people over tighting spark plugs. Never had it with a car engine though.
Also avoid pressure washing engine bay
@@adeksadeksinski681 absolutely, and motorcycles.
we think we found the problem now, part 2 coming out
Nice one Alan, loving steam punk Monica😃😃
cheers charlie
Top info as ever. Should be down to see you on Mon 24th Oct for a brew and chat.
cheers chris
Wet belt bring me to memory the 1.8 tdci in the MK4 Mondeo that many people didn't even knew they had 2 belts, a dry and a wet one that loved to snap..
My dealer didn't even know mine had a wet belt when I asked them to change the belts.
yes changed many of them,after the first one stripped its teeth
Im here purely for the Ka content....honestly I am.
Strange one Alan , the only thing I can think of with everything else taken into consideration is maybe some condensation being drawn in to the hot coil pack , it may be worth checking the other 2 plugs as a matter of caution.... 👍
Miss Monica looked very nice with her trendy hat on..... 🤠
Cheers
cheers yensabi, we sure we found the answer now, part 2 coming out
The Ford doctor strikes again and great camera work Al 🤣 😳😎
cheers rich, part 2 coming out, we found the answer now
She is definitely a keeper 👌
I think your right with the jet wash.. only thing I could think of specially if its not been raining much...... talking about sparkplugs if you snapped that plug Monica would have ran your legs off round that car park 🤣🤣🤣 brilliant detailed video alan
cheers paul, yeah i would rather leave the plug than snap it lol, we found the real cause of water now, coming out in part 2
Hi Alan. We Have A Few Of Those KA+'s In Cyprus (Where I Work) And We Have Had The Exact Same Problem With Those Engines. Speaking To A Colleague Of Mine Who Works For Ford Main Dealer Service Station, It's Apparently A Natural Problem On Those Engines Because Of The Length Of The Ignition Coil Hole Depth. We Live In A Warm Climate And Because Of The Excessive Heat, They Suffer From Condensation Down The Plug Holes. I'm Not Sure If That Is Just What Happened On Your KA+ Because You Had A Warm Summer. That's All I Can Put It Down To.
Anyway, As Always, Great Video.
you could well have a good point there, we have found out a bit more, coming in part 2 ..cheers dswear19
Probably The windscreen panel Allowing water in and you should check the Drain holes ,I had the same thing on a clio only when driving out of the Steep Drive and it knackered the wiper motor which was half full of Water 😢 As it would fill up 😅
Nice work Al, hope you got a brew and biscuits from Moni for sorting. Makes a case for plugging the plugs out at each service regardless of mileage. Hopefully you can do an annual service
thanks tim, good tip
Aw come on! how many detailers and car enthusiasts use a pressure washer every wash surely ford can make a car that can withstand modern wash techniques. I'd test it out with a pressure washer to ensure that is the cause and I'd be looking at the windscreen washer jets/ tubing just in case, maybe some silicone grease on the seals as a precaution to stop it in future, nice diagnosis and glad you got the plug out and miss monnie joined the show
thanks canalboating, turns out there is more to this, coming out in part 2 lol
Good video allan ...ya hyunddai sonata ...same problem from rain water lyjng on the engine and finding way down the front 3 cy sparm coil holes ...on 3.3 eng ...i put a bead of bathroom silicon around the coil boots ...problem solved
Wet belts for Ford have been a disaster. I know people who get them swapped every 20k, through fear of them breaking. Scores of transit vans end up with scrapped engines due to the welt belt failing. Why they moved away from the chains they had in the 2.2 diesels, I'll never know.
Mainly penny pinching by Ford's bean counters (a wet belt is also a bit quieter than a chain)
A couple of observations to also consider - this was a common problem on the MK2 Focus petrol's if I recall correctly where a lot were fitted with faulty washer jet seals on the bonnet, and would leak directly onto the top of the engine as soon as you use the washer jets & subsequently leak into the spark plug chambers. Also in this case, look back at the video at around 3:33 & look closely at the coil pack connector - it also looks fouled from coming into contact with water. It may not necessarily be related but could also be contributing to the misfire due to the electrical connection being in contact with the water - this might well be two different issues in this instance but I would go back again & clean the connector to iron it out. Either way to me, this is definitely the result of water coming down from above & onto the engine.
I was going to mention the washer aswell
I had a Fiesta that the core plug caused a similar problem. When it is was in getting fixed, Ford lent me a Focus and it suffered from the washer jet problem. So rather than sitting in a Ford dealer waiting for my car to be fixed, I spent a morning sitting waiting in a diffrent Ford dealer to have the loaner fixed :D lol. The Focus would have been a mk1 and not a mk2 though
The pre facelifted mk6 fiesta petrol had same issues too
Yes I thought that the screen wash tube and connector is above that point once the bonnet is down.
Mk1 focus had the same problem as well
Makes perfect sense, I remember having a Peugeot diesel some 20 years ago or so, pressure washed it, jetted nr scuttle and windshield bottom, it shorted out the electrics due to excess water, if I use a pressure washer now it’s at distance on main body and wheels, not close up or vents etc
cheers paul, we found more now, coming out in part 2
@@alan4x cool should be interesting 😎
Monika's looking swell Alan.
cheers kazuyadog
I've had a few Ford's that have done this, no pressure washer used, the Focus did it when parked on a steep street facing down, the other was a a Fiesta and the screen washer jet like others have said.
Hi Alan just thinking, Monika said she had it pressure washed the day before the misfire - so I doubt if it would have got so rusty so quickly. Maybe she'd had it pressure washed a good few times in the past and it gradually got more rusty over time?
My other theory is sudden heavy rainwater. About a month ago there was torrential really heavy rain here continuously for a couple of hours like I never seen before, causing flooding. Including my Mk3 Mondeo! I had to bail out the drivers footwell! My car never ever leaked water before, so that rain was really exceptional. Maybe you had that storm there in Huntingdon and that it found it's way into the engine compartment - and that the normal drainage channels couldn't cope?
Anyway, glad it's sorted. Monika's car looks very smart. Cheers. Vivian.
cheers vivian, i am thinking that too..plug too rusty too quickly, we found the problem now, coming out in part 2
@@alan4x Great Alan. Look forward to seeing it. Cheers.
Had the same thing on my old Mk2 Focus. Caused by no weatherseals under the washer jets. Ford later updated them and added seals.
cheers stuart, part 2 coming out with new info
Thanks for sharing Alan , it`s not summat daft like the bottom of the screen washer jet peeing all over the top of cam cover every time Monica selects wash /wipe ?
cheers asdeaff, i did check that but not the washers, thanks anyway
I had a similar case with water although without misfires on my 1.4 and 1.25 Fiestas Mk6 but didn't have them long enough to follow through. At the time I just removed the water, replaced the plugs putting a dab of copper grease on the threads so they wouldn't seize. They were pain to remove.
Water ingress kind of makes sense now..
Had Mazda petrol cars previously and never experienced condensation b4, so I'm inclined to think it was jet washer or rain water...
cheers bartosz, part 2 coming out, we found the problem
Alan. That intro. All them MK4s
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Lovely video of Monica. Where was the car she mentioned...😁
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I leaned a couple of thing from this video….one don’t pressure wash you’re scuttle panel, two don’t get the missus to come and look at Monica’s hat…….👍😳😂🇮🇲😜
Such a cutie Monica😍
Maybe condensation ???? Great content Alan 👍👍👍👍👍
i think the water down the plug hole was condensating when the engine was hot
Great video as always …. I once had a Citroen c3 in that had a similar problem and it was the washer jet in the bonnet leaking underneath and fill number 3 plug with water … I would think that water has been in there for a while how rusty it is …
cheers chris, part 2 coming out with more we have found
How do you change spark plugs on them i don't know what kind of socket to get
Great information here Alan as usual but some very naughty Car Sales companies open the bonnet and use a Pressure washer 'Gently' on the outsides of the engine compartment (not a steam cleaner!) maybe this is the cause of the rust on the coil pack?
cheers mike, part 2 coming out, we found how water got onto the rocker cover
I doubt any of them will ever have a timing belt change. Wet belts often degrade into the engine oil, block oil pump pick up then the engine seizes. They are only designed and built to last the 3yr PCP and about 30k miles.
Happened to my friends 2017 eco boost focus after 30k miles had Eml light on with engine timing codes and oil light on cleaned the strainer in the oil pump put back together runs spot on garage was telling him he needs a new engine 👀. And the engine sounded horrible while running sooo loud and could hear it was running dry no sounds sooo quite runs spot on!
Eco boosts need special oil.
@@Roverturbo most of garages don't check what oil your car need and putting what they got in barrel hahaha
@@adeksadeksinski681 True which is why I either do my own servicing or provide the garage with what I want them to use.
@@Roverturbo 5w-20 castrol magnatec
Snapped a plug on a focus all filled with engine oil at the time managed to remove the internals then used a extractor for the thread took 4 hrs but got it done and ran like a dream simple jobs always end in a nightmare for me lol
Monica needs a 25k service Al
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Them wet belt are bad news man
i know aweful
Hi, did you check the other two plug holes for water? looking at the rust buildup on the coil, I would think that water has been in there some time.
hi yes i did, it is resolved now. water dripping off the scuttle panel onto the rocker cover and seaping past the coil rubbers..we have sealed the scuttle panel ..i have a part 2 to that video which shows the problem
Alan I’ve got the same car bought it new on a 19 plate you’ve got me worried 😧. Should you not have checked the other two or did I miss that bit just sayin from north of Newcastle
cheers brian, i did check the other 2 but did not mention it...finally found the problem..part 2 coming out
Sons got m6 Fiesta which the scuttle panel leaks and goes on top of the engine. The depth of the panel is not great.
That’s a common failure on those models. Water from the cowling under the windscreen leads the water on to the engine top
My 2005 mk 2 focus had the same problem. It was the washer jet seal on the bonnet, a common problem.
thanks tony, i checked them, part 2 coming out with the answer
Hi i have a idea when the engine worms up the air in the hole expand so when it cools down it sucks the water in a little every time.
cheers richard, we found out more, part 2 coming out
Nice white top
GOOD bit of advice .
Alan. Do you need to change the flywheel when you change the cluthc on a mk3 mondeo petrol? I realise you can't tell me difinitely, it has about 137000miles on the clock.
Only if it's a dual mass flywheel. I don't think it was on the petrol engines
@@superseven220 I think it was but it's kind of shady wether it was or not. Might be it was before the facelift or something like that also.
no, only if its a duel mass flywheel but i sure the petrol engines dont have them..or it would have to be severely worn or scored
@@alan4x Fords parts catalog for my car had 2 part numbers one before 02 and one after 02 but they are both DMF for the petrol.
@@rimmersbryggeri you may be best asking the ford dealer parts.. they can check with your reg number
The mk6 fiestas tend to leak rainwater through the washer jets holes in bonnet drip on the engine and make its way in to the spark plug wells
cheers do one, part 2 coming out, we found the cause of water getting onto rocker cover
Old Spanner Eyes 👀 getting amateurs to do the pressure washing....you don't have to be Scooby Doo to work that one out 🤣. Crackin video, Al....👍😎
lmao, spanner eyes, we found the water on rocker cover issue, made another vid on it, out this weekend, cheers mark
Your definition of Hunstanton was brilliant🤣🤣
lol, its more a case of i have been there so many times its not interesting anymore
@@alan4x lol same hear it’s boring now.👍🏻
@@mick199625 lol
Could be capillary action like on the mk4 mondeo washer bottle has a problem with water travelling to the BCM and shorting out the lights.
I've seen capillary water at bcm....but interesting you think it runs from washer bottle? I wonder if it can be cured at that end by sealing the cable? Any thoughts?
very good point when the water is on the rocker cover around the coil packs, anyway, part 2 coming out with more info, cheers amby
Great camera work... Did monika have a hat on?
The belts contaminated to oil over time, Peugeot 1.2 is the same daft idea there's a massive recall on those engine's
I had similar issues in my old mk2 2.8i V6 Galaxy. If the scuttle panal rubber seal perished, it pished water all over the coil packs and down to the plugs it went.
thanks chris, we found more to this, coming out in part 2
@10:54 .. what a nice pair of ... coils
My theory, hot air in spark plug tube shrinks as engine cools, vacuum created pulls moisture past boot?
THANKIOU
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I reckon some high temp grease on that tube would be worthwhile......
I think it's the rack. Steering rack.
When I wash cars I wash jet the scuttle but not to close only to get the debris out of the drain holes which could cause even more issues for example wiper motor, ecu, abs pump or even leak in the vehicle but always cover up important components
we may be wrong with the jet wash, part 2 coming out with new information
@@alan4x ohh ok no problem but I know jet washes do cause problems with cars also blocked drains
Quick question why do Renault Clio timing belts need changing every 5 years or 72 000 miles its a bit low why?
Because Renault say so.
Best to do them at 50,000 😉😉
all i can say is their setup wears the timing belt out faster than say a ford fiesta zetec which is 125k miles
But would it have become that rusty when the pressurewashing happened the previous day? Must be some other reason, at least for the rust.
I'd also rather check the water jets as proposed by someone below.
thanks marco, thats what i am thinking, i have the answer now, coming out in part 2
The engine itself wasn't directly sprayed with the pressure washer though. Perhaps the water has been there for a while and eventually soaked up into a sensitive part of the plug/coil.
part 2 coming out, i found the cause lol
She got a nice car😃
thanks khennah, love youxxxx
so how do you clean engine bay ? i thought everybody is using pressure washer.
brake cleaner and an air blower
What coil pack what spark plug, that's not what I see, I see 2 large shirt potatoes
shirt potatoes? is that queens English? never heard it before. regards from NL 😁
@@marinusapeldoorn6631 it's lads language for breastiesis, hooters, Bristols, funbags. Puppies,
@@chucky2316 hahaha, I thought that already 😁 many thanks for my enrichment of the English language 😉😂
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What car are you running these days Alan after the demise of your trusty viteo van.... great video as usual Alan
lol, using company cars at the moment
You need to get that camera mount tightened up, it keeps slipping downward when Monica is speaking 😳
lmao
I suppose something like wiper fluid could quite easily seep through that amount of rubber and do fast corrosion too. Though it's time for lottery ticket if it would happen to leak/spray right into coil pack.
cheers jothain, part 2 coming out, we found the issue
@@alan4x cool can't wait what the actual reason was 👍
I'm wondering if the spark plug wasn't correctly torque down, from cold the condensation would push past the thread and as soon as its all upto temperature it seal's trapping moisture.🤔
cheers graham, part2 coming out with more we have found
@@alan4x nooooo
@@grahamrushin4384 lol
Did you check the other plug holes Allan?
cheers jason, yes i did, part 2 coming out with new info
Let's hope the bottom crank pulley is not like the 3 pot Eco Boom Alan, its massively tight , special tools job , monika would cry if she has to spend a penny on that job , if she still has it then, water and spark plugs just dont mix especially at 150 psi plus , only designed for splash and rain , at least you e sorted it , yes we remember the endura 1.3 rattlers with their snap off spark plugs , I used to get them mad hot , get the plugs out and just put normal seated plugs in , same heat range , never had a problem and that was on a fleet of 20 of them , being driven nearly 20 hours a day in different shifts of opticians and later on emergency doctors, only really stopped for fuel and a wash , 75 thousand miles in a year , then they went onto focus 1.25 zetech engines, doingvthe same mileage , I was putting clutch kits in before the dealers , like you have done with your taxi boys 👍👍🤠🤠🤠(monika)🐕
thanks mike for your comment, she will sell that car before the cam belt needs doing with any luck
Check for the windscreen washer leaking 👍
thanks, part 2 coming out with the answer lol
@@alan4x hi Allan had a fiesta. Took to car wash, next day took doughter to work. Car started spluttering lifter bonnet found water around spark plugs. Had been forced threw scuttle panal on to engine. Took clips off scuttle panel used a sealent putt clips back solved the problem.
Someone jet washed the engine at some point in its life? I'd be tempted to use some high temperature grease on those gasket seals for a bit of added security of making a good seal.
we found more out now, part 2 coming out
Easy answer, take the car and pressure wash the engine, its right next to you, dry the engine off, see if any water went past the seals, I would add some electric grease to the boots, same issue with some Renaults, without the cover water can drop in the coil pack tubes. I used some Permatex Dielectric Grease or is that not recommended for fords?
cheers taz6688, we have found out more, part 2 coming out
The thumbnail brought most people here lol.
Monika knew 35900 subscribers would watch this
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Moni 🤩
Bet they jet washed the engine.
Did you check the other 2?
yes checked all coils but have found the answer, part 2 coming out
The state of that plug suggests that rust has been building up for some time
yes this is bothering me, part 2 coming out
I had a Ford Focus 1.6 petrol engine 2009 with the same problem. I used to suck the water out with a turkey baster When he started misfiring
Can’t see it being the pressure washer from the other day, why so rusty?
cheers rob, your right, coming out in part 2
You did a pretty shit job of focusing on Monica's face there mate.
Well done.
the guy must have enormous self control 😁
my hands keep wandering lol
@@alan4x really Alan, if you filmed her in that outfit here in NL, there would be 500 guys a day bothering her at work 🧐🙄😂
@@marinusapeldoorn6631 lol
Liquid Cooled Coils, Ford Think of Everything 😉
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I've got a Ford Fiesta 2012 with low mileage. Twice I've had water getting down the coil packs from the scuttle after medium/heavy rain. The AA man knew all about the problem when I told him the symptom, he sees it all the time.
I have a sloping driveway, which makes matters worse, if the car is pointing down the slope rainwater easily overwhelmes the scuttle. So now I have to park with the front of the car facing up the slope. I'm amazed Ford still haven't sorted this out after ten years. It's very poor design which surely could be easily fixed with an engine cover of some kind.
thanks bruce, we sure we found the problem, part 2 coming out
Someone's been to a "guns n roses" concert!
Hi alan mabe the jet wash fitting ok mate 😂
Monica is so beautiful! 😍
Always a pain when you get water in your rusty hole...
lol
Case of engine getting hotter before the body of the coil pack, condensation forming, rinse, repeat. Why cylinder 1 though, is a mystery.
cheers monkeh, part 2 coming out with more we found
@@alan4x interesting! Can't wait!