Yeah no one’s denying that, there’s probably little to no Soviet intervention when they take the caucuses, but as soon as Germany is pushed back small Soviets forces push Turkey back and Turkey might even be the first to surrender in this alternate history.
Greece gets Adrianople and Smyrne, plus land up to the Istanbul walls. Constantinople and the Bosphorus are under international (British) mandate. Armenians and Kurds get a chunk of land in the east. The rest of Turkey is still turkey. Turks decide to form a union with Azerbaijan, since their territories are connected by a tiny sliver of land despite Armenian and Kurdish gains.
I disagree with the assumption that capturing the Caucasus wouldn't be enough to win the war. Had the Caucasus been lost, the Russians would have little alternative sources of oil. Oil from Siberia and western Kazakhstan wasn't discovered until after the war. The only other major oil field was the "Second Baku" between the Volga and the Urals. it was discovered in 1929, but was disappointing in production quantity and could not have served as an effective substitute. The Persian Corridor (the only all-weather route for foreign aid to be sent to the Russians) would be cut off as well. By early 1943 at the latest, the Russians would run out of fuel and cease to be a threat, allowing Germany to concentrate on deflecting Allied strikes in the Mediterranean and the Middle East. Without Russia, America and England could not have invaded Europe and defeated Hitler without significantly more casualties than Churchill and Roosevelt would be willing to stomach. Thus, the Allies would be forced to make peace with Germany and concentrate on defeating Japan, leaving Europe under Axis control. If you want to learn more, I recommend Chapter 8 of "Sun Tzu at Gettysburg" by Bevin Alexander and Chapter 5 of "Axis Power" by William Roger Townshend.
Russia is huge, cutting Caucasus leaves a million more ways to send aid to the Motherland, it was just a matter of supply and will, US had the former while Russians had the latter.
@@prohacker5086 every other supply route would have to go through the Arctic Ocean (iceberg-laden seas aren't the most safe to sail through) and would be vulnerable to U-boat attacks. The only exception to this would be Vladivostok, (Japanese submarine doctrine set a preference for attacking warships over merchant ships, and the Japanese refused to sink American ships headed towards Russia out of fear it would provoke the Russians. They were wrong, as the Russians were just as afraid of provoking a two-front war, but the Japanese didn't know that.) but the Allied oil shipments (which only amounted to 2.1 million tons throughout the entire war) could not have been an effective substitute for Baku. (which produced over 11 times the amount in just 1942)
@@The_Counterfactor What's wrong with using Atlantic? That is a huge highway for the ships of Allies, which have invaded Iran and are in control of the whole Indian subcontinent. Iran isn't just South Azerbaijan, it is a million square kilometer land full of mountains. Germans never got to touch it, we Turks could've never swallow it, Soviets and Allies however completely occupied it during WW2. Soviets and Allies would've decimated Axis no matter what, no amount of Spain, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Greece, Finland, Iran, Iraq could change the course.
@@prohacker5086 Using Atlantic has a small problem of Iran and India not having an Atlantic coastline. Don't know if you've ever seen a map of the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent, I'd recommend you do so.
@@The_Counterfactor Guess you couldn't see the cape of Africa from high above in America, try inspecting the south of the map a little closer and you'll see that Suez isn't the only way into the Indian ocean, which was still basically dominated by Allies and their colonies, especially the vital coastlines, Japanese crippling navy could only dare to go so far. Turkey was barely able to hold on to its territories after joining WW1, joining WW2 on Axis side would cause it to turn into an early Taliban after losing the war.
Ww2 it would matter if turkey was involved Germany would have deployed 500k men there my guess. And if same progress was made then Russia would have lost 80% of their oil. even when they had it the Soviets had major fuel shortages now think about it if 80% of it disappeared and Germans would of solved their issues.
Sure turkey was a significant possible partener but werent really a big game changer as they were unstable and their military wasnt that big of a threat.if they joined the axis they would of been split by the uk and ussr, if they joined the axis they would of fought with italy and germany overseas and in the balkans but i wouldnt see any major battles other than a siege of istanbul
No, it wouldn't. Turkey was extremely weak during this time. If Turkey joins the allies early and at best they hold out in the East with significant aid from Britain and the USSR. Leaving to a Turkey that is mostly the same as our timeline with maybe a bit more land in syria and iraq although I highly doubt these gains for Turkey would actually happen like < 10% chance) . At worst the entire country is capitulated in a matter of months like every other small country Germany invaded and becomes a puppet of the USSR. If Turkey joins the Axis, Turkey can put a little bit of pressure on the Caucasus but it almost certainly not be close to enough for Turkey to capture all of Armenia, Georgia, or Azerbaijan without significant German assistance (which would means Germany would perform weaker on the main front). Ultimately, the same thing happens as before, except Turkey likely loses even more land to Greece and Georgian/Armenian SSRs which would have their full claims respected in this case.
If Recep Peker had come to power in an alternative universe after Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's death and the Turkish army had been modernized for about 2 years, the Turkish armies fighting alongside the German armies could have changed the war thanks to the geographical location and they would have taken some land from the Caucasus and approximately the national borders of the Pact.
Regarding the fate of Istanbul upon Axis defeat, I think it would nominally stay with Turkey but the whole Turkish Straits region would almost for sure return to being a demilitarized zone under UN (previously LoN) mandate like they were before 1936, as Turkey in this timeline has just proven that it was a mistake to trust them with this big responsibility.
Axis would’ve won due to the black seas and Arabia being cut off for the Allies, preventing the Soviet Union from gaining supplies, this will cause the Soviet’s economy to crash
I'm pretty sure fascist turkey would also annex cyprus and possibly if they joined before the invasion of Greece some territories in western thrace (if they join after that land is already bulgarian). Probably Iranian Azerbaijan too because it's considered turkic and that land was occupied by the soviets and British.
Turkey wouldn't join against Greece, at the time Greece and turkey were very close. Turkey was mad at Germany after they invaded Greece and turkey even sent food to Greek soilders and let them in their country. Their relations only worsened after the killing of a lot of Turks by greece
@@sciencemoth8669 After what happened with the young turks at the end of WW1, I highly doubt that the love was mutual from the greek side, that just so happened to have fought for freedom from the turks for centuries before that... I think what you describe is more likely revisionist history.
@@NeverEverClever balkan pact, treaty of lausanne, Greek leader in 1934 gave the nobel peace prize to Ataturk, 1938 Salonika Agreement. Those were all examples of stuff turkey and Greece did together as a result of their friendship at the time. When the great Athens famine happened turkey also helped them.
@@sciencemoth8669 In 1934, Arthur Henderson received the nobel peace prize. What are you talking about? The balkan pact and salonika agreement werent exactly signs for great friendship, they were against a common enemy. After all the genocide that turkey commited in and after WW1, I highly doubt that the greeks were overly friendly towards the turks. Yes, they did stuff together, just like they're both part of nato right now. Does that mean all is fine and dandy between greece and turkey today?
Japan lost several skirmishes to the USSR so much so that they attempted to avoid war with them as much as possible. Japan was a FAR MORE industrialized country than Turkey was, so the likely hood that Turkey's presence on the axis is even felt for the USSR is slim to none. Let alone the british colonies that even Italy couldnt break through. Honestly its likely a repeat of ww1 in the caucausus front.
@thenotsogreatape933 true, but they would have given a good distraction and it is a really defensible terrain, depending on when they would have joined, launching attacks on the middle east while Africa was still a thing, and just opening another front with the soviets, cutting off their oil supply early on
I think the only land the USSR would take from turkey would be Istanbul cuz that's what they wanted in the first world war. This would allow them to have free rein over Black Sea imports. I think this could also result in a modern-day Slavic City state in Istanbul. Probably changing it back to the old name of Constantinople as well
@@domicad9458 Britain was a key player in ww2, and was aligned with the west, the same thing happened in the aftermath of ww1, Greece wanted Instanbul and British refused. To go further in depth, the US , France and all western countries wouldn’t allow for Soviet occupation of Instanbul.
Do not forget that across the caucasus (not only azerbaijan) crimea, central asia there were a lot of turkic people in Ussr. There are also a lot of turks in iran-iraq. So if they took baku petroleum according to this scenario, collapse of ussr would likely to follow, and without ussr, allies maybe still win but it would probably a very very long war or it would end by nuclear bombs dropped over europe.
Our President participated in the war against the Russians in World War I and witnessed 60 thousand Turkish soldiers freezing to death. For this reason, he was always against a war in that region. and he had never been to the Caucasus during his time as president.
There's no way this Turkey doesn't take over Iraq at some point. Even if it doesn't happen in an initial victorious Axis peace deal, it will just happen later on. Iraq to this Turkey is akin to Tibet for both of the two Chinas.
Interesting, though, there is no way after a bloody Civil War turkey would be able to push through the harsh Caucasus mountains. It would definitely reroute a few Soviet troops, but a breakthrough is not possible without the miracle for Turkey.
Our President participated in the war against the Russians in World War I and witnessed 60 thousand Turkish soldiers freezing to death. For this reason, he was always against a war in that region. and he had never been to the Caucasus during his time as president.
i guess the ultra nationalist party was in 1936 or 1937 way before the french gave hatay to turkyie bc they gave it in 1939 so france would not give hatay to turkyie for obvious reasons
Actually Axis would probably win that way. Because instead of going through USSR, Germany would definetly go through Turkey to Stalingrad. This would give Axis victory. Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece (under Italy puppet) , Germany and maybe Serbia (German puppet) would go through Anatolia and Causacius. Most of German army, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia (German puppet) would complete Operation Barbarossa. They would probably get Ukranian support and Finland would join Axis too. In south, Azerbaijanis would support and maybe Georgians too. Wanting independence, Central Asian Soviet republics wouldnt send soldiers and Moscow would definetly fall. Now controling Russia they would help Japan by invading China. UK would probably surrender. After China, USA would be easily dealt with before Operation Manhattan would be complete. USA would probably surrender too tho. I think this would happen.
They’re still going to Send most of their forces against their direct border in Poland and Romania and Did the turks would have to Directly attack from the Armenian, Highland A lot of Turkish forces would also be fighting in the Levant and Even if they capture Not to mention potential British support from Iran as well as The Soviets likely destroying the oil field Would make it very hard for turkey to capture as well as use the oil fields also You are supremely overestimating, the potential support a partisans Well, yes, some might help the Turkish It’s likely the people there would quickly turn on Turkey/Germany Just like what happened to many Russian Baltic and Ukrainian groups
I disagree. If Turkey was able to conquer Caucasus, then they would've taken all the oil from USSR and pushed their forces to Stalingrad, and the AXIS would've won the war.
you underestimate how strong the usa was the turkish military wasnt that strong anyways, (friendly reminder the state of pennsylvania produces more steel in 1 year than all of the axis in the whole war + the amount of planes and military equipment being produced by the usa is way bigger)
First i think turkey would be like finland meaning only joining war agianst soviets i don't think they would join war agianst west . Well Turkey joining axis is game over for russia. Turkish army with german support will capture caucasus region 80% of soviet production is now in axis control. Ussr will runout of oil in 1-2 years and german doesn't have oil shortage anymore. Now we have early 1942 Soviet deseprate try to push turkey out from caucasus but will not sucess beacuse mountians in the region. Now germany will launch offensive to get land connection with turkey and will sucess and now germany defend in south on volga river. Soviet know they can't retake caucasus beacuse crossing volga river will be difficult and germany have a lot forces here to protect cacasus with turkish forces. So Stalin surrender and germany takes baltics ukraine belarus and north t caucasus mountians(north to mountians) turkey will annex caucasus. Also if you think Stalin will not surrender than germany launchs offensive in central russia and takes lands to volga river than soviet runout of oil and collapse only diffrence is that germany have most of european russia and husky sucesssed but they still can't land in italy beacuse after soviet collapse germany will send more troops to west and kick them out. Now by that point allies took axis land in africa. War is a stalmate and allies decieds to make peace with germans so they focus on japan. Japan is defeated in early 1945 and we have cold war between us and germany.
You dont need a civil war for Turkey. Simple have Fevzi Çakmak actually trying to be elected as new president and then say he succeeds. His more right wing and militaristic views could have resulted in Turkey joining
Turkey wasn’t neutral in ww2, a month before the Germans surrender, Turkey declared war on them but they didn’t have enough time to mobilize an army so they never saw conflict in ww2
Yeah, I'm aware, but couldn't mention it due to the 60 seconds limit. I had to cut the peace treaty at the end too, which made the video just stop randomly. I mentioned this in the other video, where they joined the Allies earlier
Wasn't declaring war on the axis a way to enter the UN? Cause I remember almost the whole world was at "war' with the axis when they were all about to collapse
@@T_Waykind of, most nations that declared war on the axis at their collapse wanted to declare war in order to be allowed into nato, most declared war on Germany with some declaring war on Japan tol
This was a symbolic move for UN membership. The Allies declared that only countries that declared war on the Axis powers before March 1, 1945 could become UN members.
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Turkey's army was still ww1-era by 1941, they'd get clapped
Yeah no one’s denying that, there’s probably little to no Soviet intervention when they take the caucuses, but as soon as Germany is pushed back small Soviets forces push Turkey back and Turkey might even be the first to surrender in this alternate history.
@@DonQuixoteFanand Indian reinforcement would crush them combined with the American British navy their economy would collapse in mere months
yes but turkeys geography fits for defensive war.
Basically you're describing Italy 2.0 😂
Greece gets Adrianople and Smyrne, plus land up to the Istanbul walls. Constantinople and the Bosphorus are under international (British) mandate. Armenians and Kurds get a chunk of land in the east. The rest of Turkey is still turkey. Turks decide to form a union with Azerbaijan, since their territories are connected by a tiny sliver of land despite Armenian and Kurdish gains.
I don’t think the soviets would let an independent armenia
That would depend on if they were able to get a occupation zone. If Britain did not , there would be no international Bosporus area.
@@drew17210 Yeah, giving more territory to Armenia means giving more territory to the Soviets. Depends on how Stalin negotiates I suppose.
You mean Edirne and İzmir? Write them correctly.
@@cenk.3467 Oh. This reminds me of writing Constantinople instead of Istanbul.
As a Turk we were still recovering from our war of independence so we wouldnt be able to do much
I disagree with the assumption that capturing the Caucasus wouldn't be enough to win the war. Had the Caucasus been lost, the Russians would have little alternative sources of oil. Oil from Siberia and western Kazakhstan wasn't discovered until after the war. The only other major oil field was the "Second Baku" between the Volga and the Urals. it was discovered in 1929, but was disappointing in production quantity and could not have served as an effective substitute. The Persian Corridor (the only all-weather route for foreign aid to be sent to the Russians) would be cut off as well. By early 1943 at the latest, the Russians would run out of fuel and cease to be a threat, allowing Germany to concentrate on deflecting Allied strikes in the Mediterranean and the Middle East. Without Russia, America and England could not have invaded Europe and defeated Hitler without significantly more casualties than Churchill and Roosevelt would be willing to stomach. Thus, the Allies would be forced to make peace with Germany and concentrate on defeating Japan, leaving Europe under Axis control.
If you want to learn more, I recommend Chapter 8 of "Sun Tzu at Gettysburg" by Bevin Alexander and Chapter 5 of "Axis Power" by William Roger Townshend.
Russia is huge, cutting Caucasus leaves a million more ways to send aid to the Motherland, it was just a matter of supply and will, US had the former while Russians had the latter.
@@prohacker5086 every other supply route would have to go through the Arctic Ocean (iceberg-laden seas aren't the most safe to sail through) and would be vulnerable to U-boat attacks. The only exception to this would be Vladivostok, (Japanese submarine doctrine set a preference for attacking warships over merchant ships, and the Japanese refused to sink American ships headed towards Russia out of fear it would provoke the Russians. They were wrong, as the Russians were just as afraid of provoking a two-front war, but the Japanese didn't know that.) but the Allied oil shipments (which only amounted to 2.1 million tons throughout the entire war) could not have been an effective substitute for Baku. (which produced over 11 times the amount in just 1942)
@@The_Counterfactor What's wrong with using Atlantic? That is a huge highway for the ships of Allies, which have invaded Iran and are in control of the whole Indian subcontinent. Iran isn't just South Azerbaijan, it is a million square kilometer land full of mountains. Germans never got to touch it, we Turks could've never swallow it, Soviets and Allies however completely occupied it during WW2. Soviets and Allies would've decimated Axis no matter what, no amount of Spain, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Greece, Finland, Iran, Iraq could change the course.
@@prohacker5086 Using Atlantic has a small problem of Iran and India not having an Atlantic coastline. Don't know if you've ever seen a map of the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent, I'd recommend you do so.
@@The_Counterfactor Guess you couldn't see the cape of Africa from high above in America, try inspecting the south of the map a little closer and you'll see that Suez isn't the only way into the Indian ocean, which was still basically dominated by Allies and their colonies, especially the vital coastlines, Japanese crippling navy could only dare to go so far. Turkey was barely able to hold on to its territories after joining WW1, joining WW2 on Axis side would cause it to turn into an early Taliban after losing the war.
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Turkey actually joined the allies in 1944 due to pressure from the ussr and Britain
Didn't they join in february 1945? 3 months before Germany capitulated. I didn't mention this because no time
Who told you the Germans capitulated in 44?@@rewriting-historyf
@@piercebunge4297He didn't say Germans capitulated in 1944 wth?
@@ProfessionalKGBAgent I think he edited
Guess not?
For joining either sides wouldn’t it matter heavily when turkey joins?
Ww2 it would matter if turkey was involved Germany would have deployed 500k men there my guess. And if same progress was made then Russia would have lost 80% of their oil. even when they had it the Soviets had major fuel shortages now think about it if 80% of it disappeared and Germans would of solved their issues.
@@GGGG-jn7ib not only that but early enough the suez would definitely be threatened or even if the germans send enough resources capture the suez
@@GGGG-jn7ib axis would win
Sure turkey was a significant possible partener but werent really a big game changer as they were unstable and their military wasnt that big of a threat.if they joined the axis they would of been split by the uk and ussr, if they joined the axis they would of fought with italy and germany overseas and in the balkans but i wouldnt see any major battles other than a siege of istanbul
No, it wouldn't. Turkey was extremely weak during this time.
If Turkey joins the allies early and at best they hold out in the East with significant aid from Britain and the USSR. Leaving to a Turkey that is mostly the same as our timeline with maybe a bit more land in syria and iraq although I highly doubt these gains for Turkey would actually happen like < 10% chance) . At worst the entire country is capitulated in a matter of months like every other small country Germany invaded and becomes a puppet of the USSR.
If Turkey joins the Axis, Turkey can put a little bit of pressure on the Caucasus but it almost certainly not be close to enough for Turkey to capture all of Armenia, Georgia, or Azerbaijan without significant German assistance (which would means Germany would perform weaker on the main front). Ultimately, the same thing happens as before, except Turkey likely loses even more land to Greece and Georgian/Armenian SSRs which would have their full claims respected in this case.
If Recep Peker had come to power in an alternative universe after Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's death and the Turkish army had been modernized for about 2 years, the Turkish armies fighting alongside the German armies could have changed the war thanks to the geographical location and they would have taken some land from the Caucasus and approximately the national borders of the Pact.
Regarding the fate of Istanbul upon Axis defeat, I think it would nominally stay with Turkey but the whole Turkish Straits region would almost for sure return to being a demilitarized zone under UN (previously LoN) mandate like they were before 1936, as Turkey in this timeline has just proven that it was a mistake to trust them with this big responsibility.
I love how you made videos on them joining each side, instead of just one or the other.
Axis would’ve won due to the black seas and Arabia being cut off for the Allies, preventing the Soviet Union from gaining supplies, this will cause the Soviet’s economy to crash
They would most likely take Kuwait if we are given them Iraq and would take Jordan the sinai and Cyprus
Turkey joined the allies near the end of the second world war
They’d get the North Caucasus also.
the wouldn't win so that's impossible
I'm pretty sure fascist turkey would also annex cyprus and possibly if they joined before the invasion of Greece some territories in western thrace (if they join after that land is already bulgarian). Probably Iranian Azerbaijan too because it's considered turkic and that land was occupied by the soviets and British.
Turkey wouldn't join against Greece, at the time Greece and turkey were very close. Turkey was mad at Germany after they invaded Greece and turkey even sent food to Greek soilders and let them in their country. Their relations only worsened after the killing of a lot of Turks by greece
@@sciencemoth8669 After what happened with the young turks at the end of WW1, I highly doubt that the love was mutual from the greek side, that just so happened to have fought for freedom from the turks for centuries before that... I think what you describe is more likely revisionist history.
@@NeverEverClever balkan pact, treaty of lausanne, Greek leader in 1934 gave the nobel peace prize to Ataturk, 1938 Salonika Agreement. Those were all examples of stuff turkey and Greece did together as a result of their friendship at the time. When the great Athens famine happened turkey also helped them.
@@sciencemoth8669 In 1934, Arthur Henderson received the nobel peace prize. What are you talking about?
The balkan pact and salonika agreement werent exactly signs for great friendship, they were against a common enemy. After all the genocide that turkey commited in and after WW1, I highly doubt that the greeks were overly friendly towards the turks. Yes, they did stuff together, just like they're both part of nato right now. Does that mean all is fine and dandy between greece and turkey today?
Turkey would help massively against the ussr and could have helped in the African theater
No, they were too weak.
@@yazovgaming Along with them Coming out of the civilwar makes them even weaker
Japan lost several skirmishes to the USSR so much so that they attempted to avoid war with them as much as possible. Japan was a FAR MORE industrialized country than Turkey was, so the likely hood that Turkey's presence on the axis is even felt for the USSR is slim to none. Let alone the british colonies that even Italy couldnt break through. Honestly its likely a repeat of ww1 in the caucausus front.
@thenotsogreatape933 true, but they would have given a good distraction and it is a really defensible terrain, depending on when they would have joined, launching attacks on the middle east while Africa was still a thing, and just opening another front with the soviets, cutting off their oil supply early on
I think the only land the USSR would take from turkey would be Istanbul cuz that's what they wanted in the first world war. This would allow them to have free rein over Black Sea imports. I think this could also result in a modern-day Slavic City state in Istanbul. Probably changing it back to the old name of Constantinople as well
The ally’s (especially the British) wouldn’t allow that and Instanbul would be under ‘international’ control aka British control.
@@DonQuixoteFan who would ask britain? its like its under soviet occupation and stalin doesnt care
@@domicad9458 Britain was a key player in ww2, and was aligned with the west, the same thing happened in the aftermath of ww1, Greece wanted Instanbul and British refused. To go further in depth, the US , France and all western countries wouldn’t allow for Soviet occupation of Instanbul.
Do not forget that across the caucasus (not only azerbaijan) crimea, central asia there were a lot of turkic people in Ussr.
There are also a lot of turks in iran-iraq. So if they took baku petroleum according to this scenario, collapse of ussr would likely to follow, and without ussr, allies maybe still win but it would probably a very very long war or it would end by nuclear bombs dropped over europe.
To be fair, if turkey had conquered the Oil, rich region in Caucasian this could Delay the war and could to the west taking more of Europe
Our President participated in the war against the Russians in World War I and witnessed 60 thousand Turkish soldiers freezing to death. For this reason, he was always against a war in that region. and he had never been to the Caucasus during his time as president.
Wouldn't Iraq be independent if the Axis won since they joined the Axis before being taken over?
Gaylani was deposed before Barbarossa
Well yes he was deposed in 1941, he could've came back to power with Turkish and German help in exchange for resources.
There's no way this Turkey doesn't take over Iraq at some point. Even if it doesn't happen in an initial victorious Axis peace deal, it will just happen later on. Iraq to this Turkey is akin to Tibet for both of the two Chinas.
Just make Recep Peker the succesor
Actually, it was in the allies in 1945
Interesting, though, there is no way after a bloody Civil War turkey would be able to push through the harsh Caucasus mountains. It would definitely reroute a few Soviet troops, but a breakthrough is not possible without the miracle for Turkey.
Our President participated in the war against the Russians in World War I and witnessed 60 thousand Turkish soldiers freezing to death. For this reason, he was always against a war in that region. and he had never been to the Caucasus during his time as president.
I wouldn't think that the Pontus region would join the ultranationalists since it still had a big greek presence
Iraq was a axis power
Map is wrong. Hatay was part of Türkiye before the war.
i guess the ultra nationalist party was in 1936 or 1937 way before the french gave hatay to turkyie bc they gave it in 1939 so france would not give hatay to turkyie for obvious reasons
Actually Axis would probably win that way. Because instead of going through USSR, Germany would definetly go through Turkey to Stalingrad. This would give Axis victory. Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece (under Italy puppet) , Germany and maybe Serbia (German puppet) would go through Anatolia and Causacius. Most of German army, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia (German puppet) would complete Operation Barbarossa. They would probably get Ukranian support and Finland would join Axis too. In south, Azerbaijanis would support and maybe Georgians too. Wanting independence, Central Asian Soviet republics wouldnt send soldiers and Moscow would definetly fall.
Now controling Russia they would help Japan by invading China. UK would probably surrender. After China, USA would be easily dealt with before Operation Manhattan would be complete. USA would probably surrender too tho.
I think this would happen.
They’re still going to Send most of their forces against their direct border in Poland and Romania and Did the turks would have to Directly attack from the Armenian, Highland A lot of Turkish forces would also be fighting in the Levant and Even if they capture Not to mention potential British support from Iran as well as The Soviets likely destroying the oil field Would make it very hard for turkey to capture as well as use the oil fields also You are supremely overestimating, the potential support a partisans Well, yes, some might help the Turkish It’s likely the people there would quickly turn on Turkey/Germany Just like what happened to many Russian Baltic and Ukrainian groups
Greece after see what fighted two times in the two second wars against turkey and not wins constantinople:
I disagree. If Turkey was able to conquer Caucasus, then they would've taken all the oil from USSR and pushed their forces to Stalingrad, and the AXIS would've won the war.
you underestimate how strong the usa was the turkish military wasnt that strong anyways, (friendly reminder the state of pennsylvania produces more steel in 1 year than all of the axis in the whole war + the amount of planes and military equipment being produced by the usa is way bigger)
I don't think Turkey would declare war on the allies just the USSR
Ngl at the beginning I thought you were speaking a different language
i love when people don t make bullshit alt history like this is one of the most Realistc alt history i have ever seen
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WHY GREECE NEVER GETS NOTHING ? Its bec of them that Barbarossa was delayed and after beating italy they only got some islands wtf
Ссср претендовал на территории занятые русской армией в ходе первой мировой а так же на Лазистан
First i think turkey would be like finland meaning only joining war agianst soviets i don't think they would join war agianst west . Well Turkey joining axis is game over for russia. Turkish army with german support will capture caucasus region 80% of soviet production is now in axis control. Ussr will runout of oil in 1-2 years and german doesn't have oil shortage anymore. Now we have early 1942 Soviet deseprate try to push turkey out from caucasus but will not sucess beacuse mountians in the region. Now germany will launch offensive to get land connection with turkey and will sucess and now germany defend in south on volga river. Soviet know they can't retake caucasus beacuse crossing volga river will be difficult and germany have a lot forces here to protect cacasus with turkish forces. So Stalin surrender and germany takes baltics ukraine belarus and north t caucasus mountians(north to mountians) turkey will annex caucasus. Also if you think Stalin will not surrender than germany launchs offensive in central russia and takes lands to volga river than soviet runout of oil and collapse only diffrence is that germany have most of european russia and husky sucesssed but they still can't land in italy beacuse after soviet collapse germany will send more troops to west and kick them out. Now by that point allies took axis land in africa. War is a stalmate and allies decieds to make peace with germans so they focus on japan. Japan is defeated in early 1945 and we have cold war between us and germany.
Typical hoi4 Turkey in axis scenario, do you play this game?
Turkey wasn't neutral. It joined at the very end.
With turkey , Germany would win the Soviet Union (750k Turkish soldiers) and after that the allies would never be able invade Germany
I don't think you were slapped by the Turkish army.🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
no bro, turkiye is a member of allied power in February 1945
You dont need a civil war for Turkey. Simple have Fevzi Çakmak actually trying to be elected as new president and then say he succeeds. His more right wing and militaristic views could have resulted in Turkey joining
Higly doubt that Turkey could have conquerd the caucasus
In 1918 the Ottoman Empire controlled them, so it's a possibility at least
@@rewriting-history they did not? Russian empire controlled it. And the Soviet army was far advanced en stronger than the turkisch army
In the end...USSR will absorb them.
In there GYPSY DREAMS without the alleys ussr wes dethe
turkish army was still bad in the ww2 era possibly they had lost the whole country
This would undoubtedly lead to german victory.
who cares of 🦃
Tell me you are a greek without telling me you are a greek
kaukases
Turkey wasn’t neutral in ww2, a month before the Germans surrender, Turkey declared war on them but they didn’t have enough time to mobilize an army so they never saw conflict in ww2
Yeah, I'm aware, but couldn't mention it due to the 60 seconds limit. I had to cut the peace treaty at the end too, which made the video just stop randomly. I mentioned this in the other video, where they joined the Allies earlier
Wasn't declaring war on the axis a way to enter the UN? Cause I remember almost the whole world was at "war' with the axis when they were all about to collapse
@@T_Waykind of, most nations that declared war on the axis at their collapse wanted to declare war in order to be allowed into nato, most declared war on Germany with some declaring war on Japan tol
This was a symbolic move for UN membership. The Allies declared that only countries that declared war on the Axis powers before March 1, 1945 could become UN members.