This movie made me cry. I lost a friend due to hazing. It's like having his story finally being told. He was found in the woods shirtless, no pants and breathless. He would have made it had someone taken him to the hospital but they cared more about not getting caught than helping him. He was bruised up and died of alcohol poisoning. He wasn't one to ever drink much maybe once in a blue moon. He wouldn't tell me anything .... This movie hit home .... Rip Elijah. .. I will never pledge because I hear the sororities are just as bad
Shane..im sorry about your friend..i did pledge in a sorority..and i disagree with the hazing..always did..now the hazing is gettin outa hand and totally unnecessary..it saddens me that something so honorable turns out not so honorable with violence..keep your head up..hopefully the hazing will cease throughout future generations..i feel your pain.
I think the reason Zurich and his LB continued on with Hell Week after the Kings and Queens talk was because he knew the only way to treat future pledges with respect was to complete the process. They were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to make that change when they held the positions of power.
Getting treated like ass and doing the dumbest shit. Putting yo body on the line for what ? I know there’s frats that don’t haze and things like that but still. I feel like some people get carried away with the hype of frats and forget about giving back to the community
Yes! Like I kinda wish there was more, it was such a good movie though terrific acting! Fantastic cast , and even the writing was on point. Up until the end :/
I know! I hate when movies end like this. And just when I started warming up to Frank lol. The way it ended was like it was going to have a sequel, but I highly doubt it. It's just so many unanswered questions though.
Zurich gave the King speech basically telling them that yes they were going to get beat, yes it was going to be bad, but once they got in, they were going to make sure that they could change things from the inside. That they could help to make the frat treat the pledges less like animals. He was intoo deep at that point, he was going to finish....but he needed to remind everyone that now isn't always.
i feel it. As a pledged member of my phrat i feel his sentiments, and i feel a lot of greeks i know who are honorable to their principles are leaning this way, or feel the same.
This was so painful to watch. I think Zurich's plan was to endure hell night so that once he crossed he could change the organization and it's hazing practices from within. Great movie..
As a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity since 1994, I enjoyed this film . I am not gonna lie though some parts were hard to watch. But I am glad this movie is out.Great review
Teesh L. You’re looking from the outside in. This movie takes the most extreme version of fraternities and makes it look scary for you. Most aren’t doing all these things together.
I know a lot of the "Divine 9" are upset that this has been released. I am glad that it has been released. Unfortunately I chose to pledge in a sorority. I was ignorant to the whole process and did not know that there was an underground line who was being hazed badly. I was unaware the whole time until the probate. At the probate, I was under the impression that I had a slot/number in my line to be totally disrespected and made to feel so minute when one of my "supposedly" line sisters obtain my number. I sat in the background completely shocked and dumbfound to what was going on. The fact that no one told me about anyone of this was absurd. I had no bond with any of my line sisters as they went through a process the summer before. I had no idea about any of it as I was a newcomer. Just because you sit back and get your ass beat and totally degrade yourself does not make you any more apart of an organization than anyone else. And it is crazy that people call you "paper" because you did not stoop to that foolishness. And then these organizations always have the nerve to say they "Christian" based. To hell with that, this is some "Demon" based shit. Nothing about that is Christ-like. This is why I do not associate with anyone in the organization that I was apart of. It was a total lie! I thought that I was joining an organization that really had a moto of helping people and doing good things to find out in the end that this is a whole political scheme and show off. The sad thing is, I was ready to work... to really help people... and now they lost all respect from me and I would not lift a finger for they ass knowing their motives are impure. I avoid step shows and any greek festivities because I am embarrassed and do not want to be associated with foolishness like that. I regret every doing it and could have used my money for a greater purpose. LISTEN and LEARN! TRUE STORY!
Couple of things...1) The movie is what it is. Write, and direct one that shows your process if you don't feel it portrays "Going Greek" correctly. Unfortunately 95% was spot on for me.2) "It's easier to build strong children than to rebuild broken men." This is not about protecting Greeks but saving lives. It's funny how many people who can't relate shun the focus. I wouldn't wish my pledge process on my worst enemy. This film was mild... My hat goes off to the brother who had the courage to put it out there. If you don't know now you know. PS. Dude was not put off line for helping his LB. He failed the mental test and walked off! SMH. Why did his LB's let him leave?... is a better question. The mental part of pledging was exposed off the bat.
John Maxwell IV I don’t know who you are but I’m so sorry that you had to go through something like that. It’s disgusting and just plain wrong. I’m from the UK so this whole thing is ludicrous to me! I hope it didn’t effect you too much...
The movie did really scare me away from pledging especially since my Hbcu's sororities are currently on suspension for hazing. I'm not gonna lie my only worry is about the possibilities of being drastically harmed during process.
Teesh L. If you let them haze you, you’re also guilty. It’s illegal to haze and to let someone haze you. So you can “snitch” if you want, but you’re also snitching on yourself lol 😂
The ending makes me angry because we have to come up with what happens on our own. Does his line brothers get in trouble? Do they snitch on the frat and get them in trouble? I was disappointed in the Zurich's mentor (the doctor) for just basically leaving the guy for dead.
I felt like the whole voice over during the film was the extra credit essay he wrote, I might be wrong but I think that that's why there was no scene that shows the teacher's reaction. The essay was read during the movie and it was up to the viewer to interpret it
I watched this and honestly felt like it was an accurate portrayal of pledging, as for myself I had those same feelings as far as Zurick was concerned. My best friend told me that i was paying for friends and my girl at that time was super in my corner. Most people who consider themselves leaders think that that can do the most good from the inside but the climbing that mountain to cross those sands aint easy. I think it starts with the fact that you have to "Earn" it but you shouldnt have to be willing to Die from it. Evaluate the bruhs on yard, like ol big dude who got off bu hitting folks, naw Dean shouldve checked him from jump. You always should have 2-3 bruhs who help facilitate learning and curves the blunt force hit. Lastly, again old big dude shouldve been out when he flung that thick spit in ol buddy face.
@@dashboy4l My bad, it happens; hazing that is. I didn't mean to imply that this particular incident occurred. When I attended college a young man was paralyzed from the waist down as a result of hazing.
I thought that at the end of the movie Zurich finally called his dad because he realized that his dad was trying to warn his son of the dangers of hell week. Hell week is probably scheduled at the same time each year and Zurich's father was also interested in pledging the same Lamda whatever whatever fraternity during his time in school. However, Zurich's father did not go through with the process due to his disapproval of the unjust torture and hazing going on. It can also be implied that Zurich's father witnessed the murder of a young man on his potential line back when he was in school and was calling Zurich to warn him not to pledge the same fraternity or not to get caught up in the hype or madness, and never to forget where he comes from. That he is of King and Queen stature and that he doesn't need a fraternity to degrade him and beat him like a slave to possess what he desires in life, because the courage and ability required to do so already exists within him. I could keep going on and on about this, but if yall understand even half of what I said, PLEASE THUMBS UP THIS COMMENT SO THAT OTHERS MAY READ, RESPOND, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE MOVIE REALLY IS ABOUT! Sorry I left one more thing out... What if the Dean of the school was on the line with Zurich's father when a fellow line member was killed. Zurich's father did the right thing by standing up to the fraternity, backing down from the line, and realizing that his "brother" just died for absolutely nothing! & Obviously the Dean of the school still went through with the initiation process and became a "Lamda etc etc". But here's the kicker, Zurich's father wanted to warn Zurich about the fraternity, and the Dean specifically "nominated" Zurich for the fraternity, knowing of his father's history and wants to get back at Zurich's dad for leaving the frat and breaking the tradition. So he does everything he can to get into Zurich's head and bring him into the frat, not allowing him to back down and do the right thing like his father! What yall think? I'm open to comments lol
DatDudeCMitche , on point thats what I was thinking.....thank you, i seriously did not pledge when i was in college because i seriously can not see getting beat for a title. I went through alot in elementary,junior high,and high school coming from Chi-town, Anyhue, i definitely agree with you. On so many levels pledging is a very degrading process. I had such a big problem with all this brotherhood talk and the minute real shyt happens they have gone to far they were willing to drop of there brother at the hospital and smash off. How is that a brotherhood anything? Its a good movie tho.....i can go on and on....gotta go to sleep while my newborn sleep...goodmorning and goodnight....at the end of the day hazing is real and it exists....
Nikki Will Thanks, I also agree with you . I am finishing up my freshman year in college and this makes me weary of wanting to pledge. There is absolutely 0 regulation to hazing & due to its underground nature it is often times much worse than in recent years. Not to mention the historical contexts behind Greeks, their origin and their actual significance but that's a whole 'nother can of worms lol Goodnight/Goodmorning sister :)
If you wish to be apart of something bigger than yourself, join the local church and get in touch with God. Frat groups are nothing more than a college club.
Tonynky exactly. Just a reason for people to do stupid as sadistic shit to each other under the guise of "brotherhood". I wouldn't want to be bonded to any person that would treat vulnerable defenseless people like that.
There is something to be said about the network of people you'll have once you join, and being a part of something so much larger than you. My father is an alpha, and the friendship he has with people he pledged with is unlike anything I've ever seen. It's really amazing. I think its about knowing which fraternity to join, and whether what they put you through will be worth it.
I know a GDI that was trying to justify going through hazing to get in an org. I didn't know what to tell her other than joining might not be for her. I think hazing will be the death of NPHC and it needs to be stopped. Btw, BGLOs are not the only ones that haze. All of our founders were "paper". You think they went around hazing each other? Now, I went through a process but was not hazed severely like the men in the movie. That was extreme. BUT, we still need to stop hazing. There are other ways to build character and bonds with potential new members. We need to find those ways before we all end up being banned from universities.
I loved the movie, I would say its the most accurate movie on Greek Life as a whole, I joined an IFC Fraternity and have personally experienced a handful of the actives these pledges went through so it was great for me!
My mom is apart of the zeta phi beta organization and even she told me to give up the idea of being a greek. She told me it isn't all that it's cracked up to be and that it's just a big show off competition.
James Shelton not all of us. Your graduate life, if active, will be so different. We have to police our undergraduate chapters better & police our own pre 1990, usually non financial, old heads that only show up for the foolishness & make us all look bad. You should not be instant friends with someone who could hurt you.
20:40 Would you like to know why? Regular people do not like to be beaten, spat on, paddled, forced to eat dog food, forced in to pools blindfolded, battered to the point of an epileptic seizure, or made to endure a week of extreme hazing with a broken rib. All of which you said wasn't unrealistic. Only a fool would willingly participate, and it's why I'm thinking twice about participating in black Greek life. The risk seems greater than the reward.
This certainly isn't brotherhood and God has no part in this. I'm glad so many have gone through the process and prevailed. But would they suffer such indignity for the purpose of salvation? These oaths, false gods, beatings, hazing, secret meetings, deaths and only God knows. I too was to pledge a BGO during undergrad... But I decided at the last moment not to pledge. A guy ended up getting dropped on his head, they broke his neck, he was paralyzed the rest of his life, basically a vegetable. But this is brotherhood. Some went to prison over this fiasco, and the young man in question was never the same all because he wanted to be a part of an "amazing" organization. Then current members have the audacity to say research research research... WE ARE RESEARCHING and finding that what you advertise is not what goes on behind closed doors or in secret. And the last time I researched I didn't have to join a torturous demonic cult in order to do community service and make a difference.
@@MrBlusoul cult is correct. Plus the "secret" pledge process for most are published online. The words of the pledge is straight up idolatry. The "faith" they put in *insert 1-3 Greek letters* is the faith they should be putting in God. NO ONE should PRAY to a false god, saying things like "O Alpha Kappa Alpha, we greet Thee, may we always cherish Thy name with all our might, we honor and revere Thee, our heads to Thee we bow." Quoted from the AKA Memorial service prayer. They pray this prayer at the death of an AKA. Like woah 😳. This is called a prayer, TO a false god. So all these good deeds and community service but done for the sake of the false god instead of for God almighty. And on top of it, with pushes to disobey God with indulges in alcohol and fornication. For the sake of Greek life. That's a big big no. I pray God guides people out. Im sure the originators were God fearing people with good intentions but there have definitely been lots of Satanic influences since then all this kneeling and praying to these idols. The hazing makes the loyal to their gods bc who will give it up after going through all that. It's sad.
Great commentary frat. I agree with a lot of what you covered and disagree with some. To your point about the "we are kings" scene. I saw that as the call to action to say... "we will go through this chaos, get in, and change it for the better...because that's what kings (leaders) do." That's exactly what we did during and after my process. Be the change. Secondly, I don't think it gave our organizations a bad rap. I think it was an accurate depiction of many people's lived experiences. This is the subculture that we created and we should spend more time being introspective for continual improvement. This movie is the perfect and needed mirror. Thanks, for the review.
Proud sorority member (Kappa Delta - Alpha Nu chapter) and I LOVED your review. I was never hazed a moment in my life and so glad to hear another greek member speaking out against hazing. I have not seen the film (since I know I wouldn't be able take the hazing, which is the point of this movie), but I would agree with you in feeling conflicted on it. Art is supposed to depict life and provide us the opportunity to experience something we were not able to in our own lives, which it sounds like this movie does very well. However, greek life gets such a bad rap as it is and I don't want to continue that public narrative. Thank you for your great review and I hope people can come to a better understanding of what greek life and the greek family is supposed to be.
Black or White, if you allow someone to punch you in the face one day and call him a brother the next... you're a fool. Just drink, PT and have some fun. Theta Chi National Fraternity - Fall '85 - Eta Zeta Chapter.
I think you really made a valid point about turning around and liking the people that tormented you. I really think that cycle should be broken. What made the greek community get in such an uproar was because that they don't want this cycle to break because of their traumatic experiences would suddenly mean nothing if it changed.
The issue shouldn't be with telling the "most extreme" cases . The issue is that it is STILL happening. Most of these chapter advisors know exactly what's going on underground.
I joined Kappa Beta Gamma International Sorority in Fall of 2016 at the Alpha Epsilon Chapter. Never once when I was going through education was hazed or even thought I would be hazed. My organization is so strict on being anti-haze that if nationals even thinks you are hazing, you will be shut down. Plus, as you said, pledging or going through a new member process is supposed to lift you up and bond you closer to your class sisters and the sisters that have joined before you. Plus, my organization is a Christian-based sorority in our motto and values, so it would look terrible if hazing occurred. If fact, new member education just made me fall into a deeper understanding and love for my sorority and made me even more excited to wear letters for the first time. Thank you for addressing hazing in the way you did and the review of the movie was excellent! Love in Kappa, man! 💙💛
I pledged Alpha Phi Alpha at Tuskegee Institute during the Spring 1973 semester and our process did not consist of most of the physical activities you see on "Burning Sands".
I pledged A PHI A in fall 74 so Key we are definitely some old heads and I agree. This was an extreme version of pledging. Most of these things did not happen to me but I did hear of such in all fraternities over the years. Was it either? Let's just say it is a lot easier today and rightly so.
I think in the young generation is out of hand compared to the older because I have heard many horror stories from A Phi A 🤷🏾♀️ but please denounce because it’s not of God. It’s idolatry
I watched the movie and it's so sad.. the thought of a guy I used to be involved with for a short period of time pledging brings tears to my eyes because though they say hazing or nothing brutal goes on it's a fact that something goes on other than what many claim it to be.
Frat, I have not seen this movie yet. I stumbled across your video, so first let me say, 06'. I now know I will watch this movie tonight, as your review and the comments have me intrigued. I am from the old school, crossed over 3/9/89, have a brand on my left arm, and the experience was extremely brutal. My Sands, of which there were 4 of us, split off from a line of 14 total, because we attended a college an hour away that did not have an Alpha chapter of its own, so in order to pledge, we traveled an hour back and forth daily, to a college which did. Our experience, obviously fell into some deep waters because we were removed from any oversight by being away from our own college environment. We also pledged at a college which was down the road from two HBCU's and back then, we were taken to every chapter in that area of the state and sometimes across the state line to another HBCU, "kidnapped", as it was referred to at that time. We definitely were changed men by the time we were finished because of all that I said, we went on line in the fall of 1988 and crossed in the spring of 1989 because none of us knew any better. It was a graduate chapter member who stumbled across us and learned about our journey that essentially established our finish line. NOW you can see, we had some choices at the end, become extremely bitter because we had some hellish experiences, or stay the course of why we joined which was to serve the black community by, like you said, uplifting others. We chose the latter, however, we were bitter, yet didn't realize it until we, ourselves, began doing what we said we wouldn't do when we pledged our first group a year later. Subconsciously, we became the product we experienced ourselves. Moving forward, post graduating, beginning real life, three of the four of us have grown into very successful community oriented men truly uplifting our communities as best we can. We chose to hold onto the "why" Alpha Phi Alpha is an excellent fraternity and chose to appreciate what our purpose really is. One of us detached from us right after we crossed. We have not seen or heard from him since. I am still a very proud member of the Fraternity. Obviously, an old head alumni now. The brand on my arm always reminds of the proud legacy while sometimes creates momentary thoughts of some scary moments. The three of us just recently re-activated on a national level because we all feel, now more than ever, any black organization that exists in this country needs to be at the forefront of change to help protect our culture as a whole against the massive intentional racism prevalent on a daily basis. It's not new for any of us, especially black men, but a dangerous door has been opened by a narcissistic "leader" of our country, and I want to always give my own son and daughter a fighting chance in this world without fear, as well as, protect the heritage of our beautiful culture as whole. I owe this to my deceased father and mother who gave me the hope of a college education and especially the truest of martyr of my family, my 98 year old living grandmother who was born and raised right here in the rural south. This movie will be very interesting to watch now, but I wanted to share my real world pre-1990's line experience. I am a proud member but I would never allow my son to experience anything like I did. Thanks for the review, Frat! 3/9/89, Too Intense
Lets be real all Frats be on that we dont do any hazing. But they be hazing like A MF LOL. I was Going to be a Kappa i asked one of the guys what would i have to do to join this man told me i would have to join to find out. and i was like hell naw. i know what they be doing to them guys.and i was told horror story's
ASAP 50 I think what the brother was trying to tell you was that he can't tell you what the process would be like, you would have to make the first step by joining to find out. But, instead you turned away because of what you heard. My question to you would be, but do you actually know how it is? Because ppl say alot of things but it doesn't mean its true. Joining an organization has to have a deeper meaning to you for wanting to join. You must had not wanted to be a Kappa because you so easily turned away from it mainly off of something that you heard and could possibly not be true. I am a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc. And if you still have the desire to be a Kappa man, really do your research on the fraternity and seek membership.
naw cuddy i dont like all the hush hush stuff i need to know what im walking in to the like you walking in to a night club and you ask the man at the door is it safe to go in and he looks at you ans says you to go in to find out.no disrespect but you one of them so you have to say that you have play the game so thy don't pull yo card
ASAP 50 I feel you bro, and I respect your opinion but I will say that we love our fraternity and it is near and dear to our hearts so the things portrayed in that movie may be someones reality but for Kappa and any other org if they love it would not risk its existence just to lay hands on somebody and I don't believe our members would want 100 plus years of achievement to be thrown away like that and it can happen. But like I said take some time to do your own research my g. It might change your perspective on the matter.
👍I kept skipping over this movie. Then in a moment of boredom I decided to look it up and saw that Alfre Woodard was part of the cast so I decided to give it a look-see. All I will say is I’ve always thought of sororities and fraternities as nonsense and the people who join them as weak sheep...I still do. They are gangs. Period. I have no use for any of them✌️💞
"They are gangs..." BINGO!!! Hazing/pledging to get in... Needing to be apart of a group to feel valued. Throwing up hand signs... Reppin' your chapter like reppin' your hood. Oh, but when it's incorporated in an academic setting with a little bit of community service thrown in for good measure, it's OK? Well, it's not! I don't get why people don't see Greek fraternities and sororities for what they are: GANGS!
I've been in the thinking process of whether or not I should pledge. I currently attend an HBCU, my mother crossed the burning sands. Honestly after watching the movie I felt more scared than anything ,but I will say some things I didn't know at all were brought to the light. My mother watched the movie and told me some things its just mind over matter. Watching your review I feel a little more secure about the pledging process (best part of the movie is when the pledges got to call their big brothers.)
jessica mya exactly sister. i graduated high school in 2013. had some delays. but now im able to re attend college fully. and i want to pledge . but i hope burning sands isnt how its gonna go for me. pray for me sis!
Pretty good review. The director is actually my line brother. I think his message rings the same as the message in Spike Lee's School Daze - essentially to WAKE UP! The main perspective was from "a pledgee view" so some of your dislike is from a fellow Greek view. If you actually went back to put yourself in the shoes of "wanting to be down" you'd probably like and relate to more of those parts. Also this film is fiction and isn't a depiction of Black Greeks. It's focus is pledging, but encompasses research from ANY ORGANIZATIONS that a student is able to pledge - ranging from NPHC, to the Band, to Military frats and so on. If someone is scared away from being Greek after seeing this movie, they probably shouldn't Join in the first place
Russell Drake My main concern is that is that what it's all about? I look up to MLK jr what he overcome and stood up for to be apart of that helping others anyway you can. This movie didn't show no bright side. What would they founders say about this? This didn't scare me away it made me more woke about fraternities
Russell Drake great response.its interesting how I read a quote from your Bruh Langston Hughes who spoke highly of his Process. Where did it all go to the level in this movie...💕💚
This movie was tragic, but factual. I attended Two HBCU’s and I’ve seen AND heard the horror stories about physical and sexual abuse, humiliation, financial misconduct, mental torture, criminal initiation, drug use, and worse. I hope this movie causes the national chapters of the entire Divine 9 to launch a vicious collective investigation into All activities and practices. Also, Zurich was probably feeling that he had to cross in order to be in a position to change things.
I think a big reason why people join a fraternity / sorority is because it will give you opportunity when you're out. You don't agree morally of what is going on, but it is the only way to get out ahead. I think this has also definitely played a part for Zurich, as he wanted to get into medicine so badly.
Great review. I think it's important to note that "hazing" is not exclusive to BGO. Sports teams haze, the military hazes, bands haze. Perhaps the more introspective question is, why do human beings feel the need to inflict pain on others?
Exactly. Military hazing…oh my gosh. The ass whoopins that take place during lights out. Whew. Thank God it didn’t happen to me, but it def does happen. I’ve witnessed it.
It happens bruh. We tear each other down to much. We have cliques within a line. It's not good when a DP have to tell you not to clique-up. And when you cross, one clique doesn't associate with the other(s). They have no interest in bonding or getting to know others outside their clique but they are all on the same line. Sad. Smh!!! I haven't seen the movie but if it's as you say then it's real and it happens.
Greetings Frat 🤙🏾! I appreciate your review of this movie which I saw when it first came out. Your review has motivated me to see it again and watch for some of the things you speak on. I think you wrap your review up nicely when you said “Anything worth having is worth working hard for”. Allow me a moment to tell mine... I pledged during the summer of 1977 at Northwestern (Alpha Mu). I was commuting from the campus to my Aunt and Uncle’s (who is also Frat) house in South Chicago (at the time home of the National HQ and “Terrible Theta” Chapter). Brothers from ALL over Illinois were home for the summer so I was running into Big Brothers at every turn...and yes, I was going to summer session classes as well! My pledge period was 12 weeks and needless to say it was a CRAZY 12 weeks! It was a long hard crossing with my three other shipmates (I was the ACE on my line). When we got to our Hell week/night, the Chapter brothers were back and relatively speaking it was a walk in the park compared to what we went thru during that summer. But here I am bathed in Black and Old Gold. Yes, it was a time of discovery for me...a maturing and an annealing of my soul and my spirit. I said all of this to say that anything worth having is worth working hard for! Pledging is meant to be hard and have many obstacles. It’s meant to show you that you are capable of doing things you never thought you could or would do. Two things I will leave you with: “Out of the night that covers me Black as the pit from pole to pole I thank whatever Gods may be For my unconquerable soul” WEH “IF you can keep your head When all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...” RK ‘0🤙🏾6 First of All
The movie is a warning. I was in school before the so-called end to hazing. There were broken legs, trips to the hospital, it was brutal. What Caryen (sp?) says he didn't understand about the film is precisely what the story is trying to convey to the viewers (and doing a good job at it). Will agree that not know your line brothers' given names is pretty odd tho. That aside, people dying during this process is a red flag. The need for the Pan Hellenic Council to publicly institute an end to hazing is a red flag. If you look at all the great leaders in recent history and mostly none are members of a Devine 9 org ...is a red flag. The best and brightest are avoiding these orgs due to the pledge process. There's too many that can take an a** whoopin and give an a** whoopin in these orgs. There like positive gangs nowadays.
I've seen the movie recently and.... I've thought about putting myself in a group such as a sorority but what has stopped me is things like the Burning Sands. You have given the whole outlook on the movie different, by comparing your personal story to the movie THANK YOU
next semester of school I plan in pledging and watching this film put things in perspective for me a little I fr dnt want to go through hazing 😂😂but honestly I want to be apart of something bigger than myself, something that will help me better myself as a man and ik the alphas can do tht for me
im a member since Fall 12' and i can tell you it's all bullshit man. Hope you didn't spend your money yet lol. Alpha wont better you or help you do a damn thing. That's what your family and God are for.
Great vid. I loved Burning Sands as a movie and you showed me different perspectives. Now I wanted to pledged a Greek organization, and I felt if anything this movie didn’t make me shy away from pursuing that, it made me want to do it more. It may me want to prepare my mind and body that look, you’re going to be going through things so it made me want to work out and get in shape, things of that nature.
I was just a GDI with the Q's And I stopped going when they knocked a dude out by hitting him in the head with a frying pan. My cousin is an Alpha now and he deeply regrets it, he's never been the same since. The beatings have totally ruinied the mysticism in it.
Thanks frat! When I heard of the movie, my main concern was how many dangerous pledging ideas is it going to give people? We have enough lawsuits from hospitalizations and deaths.
I feel like his speech about being Kings goes along with the quote from Fredrick Douglas you said he said in the movie he wants to go in Finnish getting broken in and rise as the kings that they are
Pham this video was very informative and it is nice to hear the insight of a Fraternity man as I have just watched the movie not so long ago and still trying to gather how I really feel about it. I think I am going to end up re-watching this movie to get my thoughts straight, but your review as well as your thoughts are very intriguing. It really caught me off guard how much of D9 culture was actually allowed to be portrayed in the film. For example "See it Through" and do not even get me started on the end.....smh
Awesome video man. You do a great job of breaking down points for greek life that I couldn’t even explain to a geed. Flow is really good too, it’s cohesive. Really well done video
This movie seemed to be 90+ minutes of hazing and I think for cinemas sake it was sensationalized by showing only the worse side of it. There was no focus on the positive, and the balance is therefore skewed. Now since the writer and director is a Que from Howard I am sure his view/experience is different than a lot of others.
Sorry I am greek and my process was not 100% hazing. Is there hazing of course but there are also moments of positivity and there was no positivity. Also I am not gonna say it was accurate, I was never allowed to go to a party while online so when did that happen. Also whenever has anyone been online for 4 weeks and not know the name of the ace. You learn your LB's info on day one. So I disagree. Like I said it is not 8-10 weeks of straight ass beating.
I’m 7 years late lol but parts of this was hard to watch . I wanted to jump through the tv and help them come to their senses. The last scene was upsetting. All of the abuse, power, ego, idea of prestige masked behind brotherhood and community service smh gang activity but I want a part 2
Thank you for your review. I am what you would call a GDI- however I was an interest. With that said, I have been around BLOG for some time and have them in my family. The one thing that was always said from friends and family was to do my research. I wanted to carry on a legacy at first. But one of my cousins knew me very well and knew that it wasn't for me. And for a long time I was so offended that she stated that. However knowing what I know now and my journey in what I partook in...she was right. I think that the movie is a good movie but the Hell week and underground pledging process was mortifying to me. And even though it was maybe over the top; as you stated it does happen and has. That is what is not for me. What I wonder and no shade to anyone or disrespect at all; but is that really what your founders wanted? Is that how the unity is supposed to be? That is what blew me away. So at the end of the day I will be a GDI and I am fine with that. I am fine with my Friends and family that took their paths into greekdom. But I want to thank you sir for being honest and having an open mind to the movie.
you couldn't have said it any better.. main point... IS THIS WHAT YOUR FOUNDERS WANTEd.. we already know the history of our ppl, and to go through this bs to build eachother is ridic and pretty contradicting. I'm from NY so I know I would get kicked out lol.. I would be able to do it but trust I would be kicked out due to the first physical touching.
SPR 89 Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. BETA XI CHAPTER LOC...the presupposition that HBCUs pledge harder here is not quite true...back in the day of Pledging Above Ground, it depended on the individual chapters. Though I pledged HARD at an HBCU, the chapter at a predominantly white campus KH was known for being HARD as well...as was the PWC at UT Martin....Muddy Bloody Forever!!!! My Chapter was brutal to a point but the aim of all of the hazing was to get those on line to reject the abuse and come together as a line...once that evolution happened, it was straight BUSINESS after that...get all I's dotted and all T's crossed...the wood was thrown often and to the point of us refusing to take anymore. Some brothers at other chapters saw this as an insult to the brotherhood...WE didn't give a damn...the hazing was what it was...but the chapter I pledged aimed to bring in MEN....and if you continued to take the abuse as a unit....we questioned your intelligence...
Andre Miller That's real shit bro I be telling people if yo line weak that ass get beat lol but really the process is about knowing what is about bringing out your integrity and ultimately standing up as a man despite consequences.
Me Personally , I'm not about to be apart of a club or frat and get beat like a slave by some men that feel good about beating a man helpless so that I can wear some letters and be identified as a Q Dog or Kappa or whatever. I'm just as strong being a man by myself as I would be with them. If I walk in the Lord he will make my name greater than some club with guys that want to feel important. Lol!! I'm sorry. I don't have to be accepted by no one because in acceptable to God. And I don't have to be beat . I'm sorry but being bros with those guys ain't that important . By the way the movie was good , but the ending sucked!
I see comments from Those who didn’t experience this type of of pledging process. Thank god cause y’all must have had good advisors, a chapter with sense, and moral Lb/Ls. I’m a Legacy that purposely didn’t pledge due to hearing from classmates that a certain chapter of a sorority didn’t accept legacies and that if you didn’t get hazed it was just paper. I also attended, but transferred right before A particular Drum major from a Fl institution died from getting hazed ... I could feel the energy of that institution getting dark. hazing or “showing” that you wanted to be a part of any campus group oozed everywhere in my opinion. How tf you have Greek letters and a stroll for a modeling group? How do you have Greek letters for musicals organizations other than the nationally recognized ones? I come from a noble line of women I know wouldn’t expect or respect me for allowing someone to call themselves my sister and treat me less than. That goes for the band and any other organization. I can show you my worth better than I can tell you and that doesn’t include humiliation and trauma. I won’t even get started on the slave branding. Yeah even the sororities. Call me wimpy, but please observe the yard and use discernment. There’s grad chapters lol.
Great review. One tiny thing that I think you missed is that the paper Zurich turns in at the end wasn't extra credit. There was another paper due the day he yelled and walked out of his professors class... so he turned in that (second) paper late.
My friends and I weren’t Greek but when it came to the divine 9, they actually were nice to us as we held the campus down with putting together music events and DJing some of their parties...I got approached by an Omega and a Kappa at different occasions to join....I respectfully declined lol
Great review! I think it was a pretty good movie! I agree it kinda makes greek life look bad. he probably should of shown the good parts about being greek too. Some of the parts did feel rushed, I really wanted to know more about his relationship with his father.
i agree, i am from australia and we dont have these types of groups at college/university. after i watched the movie i felt like i didnt want to join and glad we dont have this in australia lol. does this stuff actually happen because thats just plain dumb in my opinion smh.
Outstanding talk on this strange movie, frat. I am also a brother of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. Sigma Beta Chapter at East Tennessee State University. Again, great job taking about this movie.
yeah the ending really caught me off guard, and actually after listening to your review feel a little cheated by the conclusion. so us as the viewer following their process was in the end a waste. I feel like this is how a show season finale end. I know they intentionally meant to have it open ended, but it was void of any redemption opportunity.
As a college kid I've went to Geek week and talked to a frat people they are pretty cool and nice people including the black ones but like you said the hazing is kinda forbidden and they didn't go through that which is good cause before I thought that happens. The movie was good but it showed a dark light more then a bright light the speech was good however I think that it was too harsh for them to change it from the inside at that moment since you see that even the dean was too scared to do anything.
To the Kings statement. His point in emphasizing their being Kings before enduring Hell night was to prepare them for when it was over. He was saying that the treatment they experienced throughout their process ends with them and that once they finish and are officially brothers, they will start anew in terms of making sure that those who pledge after them do not experience the level of disrespect they did, and thus treating them like Kings instead.
The part where the main character discusses him and his line brothers being Kings was basically the main character reflecting upon where they are from and how they should act as Kings ...with that being said the main character was trying to convince the other line brothers that once they are offices members of the Frat they will not follow the lead of the Frat brothers before them by acting violently toward their pledges...instead the main character is basically saying they will not treat pledges disrespectfully because they are kings ...the main character is planning to attempt to make a positive change within the Frat once he and his brothers become official members
I believe that the fraternity and new members was to be the reference to slavery and to its tie in with Fredrick Douglass how the fraternity members are treated to be horrible (as slaves) and the fraternity is shown to be the upper class.Unlike other fraternity or sorority Zurich was in a toxic environment in this organization, He also find brotherhood between the five of them. This shows as hierarchy in the fraternity where they enslave their own .If there is no struggle, there is no progress. To see the identities around these men.
I agree that the cinematography of this film was outstanding, which honestly surprised me ONLY because of how "amateur" and "cheap" the Dvd cover image looked. I remember seeing the dvd in upcoming movies online and totally dismissed it. Some time later, I came across the trailer which sold me instantly and to my surprise at the end of trailer (my really moment), I saw the same dvd I previously discounted as "janky" ( years ago I got fooled when I purchase a movie by "big Walter" called Pledge brothers I was going to show during "Alpha Week" as one of the programs), and bro was it terrible! The "Burning Sands" cover art look just as cheap as the "In the name of Brotherhood" 2000 VHS cover art!!!! I bet with a better cover image they could have grabbed a bigger reaction or interest from the very beginning. is just cover art wasn't that appealing and didn't give justice to this movie.
The creation of the movie is not tearing down the image of Black Greek Life the actions of members who participate in hazing are staining the proud image of the supposed "Divine Nine".
Hey, regarding your we come from King's statement @ 19:00. I believe he was referring to when we cross over, and it is our turn to deal with pledgees, we won't do the same to them as we got. Maybe...
The best advice of keep your soul intact these organizations put you to so much stress you do evil stuff like bow down deities and Overlook it just for the camaraderie status and they pathway
So I appreciate your knowledge...but you said if someone told you the reason they wanted to pledge was brotherhood, to you they'd lose stripes,but @17:54 you say that's the entire reason to pledge. #facts👀
After watching the movie . It did shy me away a little but not stop me ... It also let me know how far I'm willing to go when it comes to being hazed if there is any hazing . I have no problem walking off line if I feel like my well being is in danger . And is also no way I can be friends with someone who treated me the way they was treated in the movie. I might have a flashback to when you was beating the crap out of me and spazz out .
Yeah Zurich is Trevor Jackson. He is also a R&B, soul singer and dancer. Check out his in my feelings album its dope. He was also in American crime season 2, thou his script was pretty short.
Brilliant review, well said and you certainly covered all of the basis from the standpoint of someone who has shared the real life Greek experience. You've certainly summed up many of the identical points that I made personally upon watching the movie as a BLGO member myself (KAPsi).
Spot on review! I did not go away to school so I never pledged but I felt you educated us very well on Greek life while not giving away too much info. I watched yesterday and I wondered how this would affect someone who actually lived through the experience so great work man I mean that!
The lawsuits will be the downfall of Black Greek organizations. Underground pledging is more dangerous. You don't have to be so vicious during the process
Bruh, who your dad? Tyler Perry?
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This movie made me cry. I lost a friend due to hazing. It's like having his story finally being told. He was found in the woods shirtless, no pants and breathless. He would have made it had someone taken him to the hospital but they cared more about not getting caught than helping him. He was bruised up and died of alcohol poisoning. He wasn't one to ever drink much maybe once in a blue moon. He wouldn't tell me anything .... This movie hit home .... Rip Elijah. .. I will never pledge because I hear the sororities are just as bad
I remember that....
Sorry to hear about your friend. The ones who is doing the hazing should be in jail.
Shane..im sorry about your friend..i did pledge in a sorority..and i disagree with the hazing..always did..now the hazing is gettin outa hand and totally unnecessary..it saddens me that something so honorable turns out not so honorable with violence..keep your head up..hopefully the hazing will cease throughout future generations..i feel your pain.
Sorry for your lost.
I'm sorry to hear that ❤ what was his name? I'm wondering if it was in the news.
I think the reason Zurich and his LB continued on with Hell Week after the Kings and Queens talk was because he knew the only way to treat future pledges with respect was to complete the process. They were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to make that change when they held the positions of power.
he look like Tyler Perry
And talks chic-like, like Tyler does too...
Uplifting each other by whooping their ass.... interesting. I never understood that
A stranger beats the crap out of you one day, then calls you brother the next. Uhm...huh?
Getting treated like ass and doing the dumbest shit. Putting yo body on the line for what ? I know there’s frats that don’t haze and things like that but still. I feel like some people get carried away with the hype of frats and forget about giving back to the community
So......why are you here commenting on it? If you think it's all about ass whoopings.....then, you're as dumb as you look.
It's like getting beat in a gang, it's a ritual of dedication
the only reason this movie gets like a 6.6/10 for me is the director ended the movie in a very unsatisfactory way
Ajwadd Anwarr Right! It just kinda felt incomplete.
Yes! Like I kinda wish there was more, it was such a good movie though terrific acting! Fantastic cast , and even the writing was on point. Up until the end :/
This movie also reminded me of dear white people because of college setting. But that movie had a great ending, it told a whole story you know?
I know! I hate when movies end like this. And just when I started warming up to Frank lol. The way it ended was like it was going to have a sequel, but I highly doubt it. It's just so many unanswered questions though.
And I haven't seen Dear White People yet. I may have to check that out, is it on Netflix as well?
Zurich gave the King speech basically telling them that yes they were going to get beat, yes it was going to be bad, but once they got in, they were going to make sure that they could change things from the inside. That they could help to make the frat treat the pledges less like animals.
He was intoo deep at that point, he was going to finish....but he needed to remind everyone that now isn't always.
Jake Speed That's what I took from that part
i feel it. As a pledged member of my phrat i feel his sentiments, and i feel a lot of greeks i know who are honorable to their principles are leaning this way, or feel the same.
That was what I took from that part as well. Once they were initiated, they were going to make sure that they were going to change things.
Where I'm from you join to bring you knowledge into to house of Alpha. Colsmoke Spr 02 Zeta Phi Chapter B.D.C.
This was so painful to watch. I think Zurich's plan was to endure hell night so that once he crossed he could change the organization and it's hazing practices from within. Great movie..
I agree
As a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity since 1994, I enjoyed this film . I am not gonna lie though some parts were hard to watch. But I am glad this movie is out.Great review
Teesh L. You’re looking from the outside in. This movie takes the most extreme version of fraternities and makes it look scary for you. Most aren’t doing all these things together.
Grant Ha GDI’s always talkin from the outside without knowing what actually happens lol
I'm also a Sigma. I didn't have any problem with the movie.
I agree Frat
Bluuuuu Phiiiiiiiiiii
I know a lot of the "Divine 9" are upset that this has been released. I
am glad that it has been released. Unfortunately I chose to pledge in a
sorority. I was ignorant to the whole process and did not know that
there was an underground line who was being hazed badly. I was unaware
the whole time until the probate. At the probate, I was under the
impression that I had a slot/number in my line to be totally
disrespected and made to feel so minute when one of my "supposedly" line
sisters obtain my number. I sat in the background completely shocked
and dumbfound to what was going on. The fact that no one told me about
anyone of this was absurd. I had no bond with any of my line sisters as
they went through a process the summer before. I had no idea about
any of it as I was a newcomer. Just because you sit back and get your
ass beat and totally degrade yourself does not make you any more apart
of an organization than anyone else. And it is crazy that people call
you "paper" because you did not stoop to that foolishness. And then
these organizations always have the nerve to say they "Christian" based.
To hell with that, this is some "Demon" based shit. Nothing about
that is Christ-like. This is why I do not associate with anyone in the
organization that I was apart of. It was a total lie! I thought that I
was joining an organization that really had a moto of helping people
and doing good things to find out in the end that this is a whole
political scheme and show off. The sad thing is, I was ready to work...
to really help people... and now they lost all respect from me and I
would not lift a finger for they ass knowing their motives are impure. I
avoid step shows and any greek festivities because I am embarrassed and
do not want to be associated with foolishness like that. I regret
every doing it and could have used my money for a greater purpose.
LISTEN and LEARN! TRUE STORY!
THANK YOU for being honest and telling your story. I am sure you aren't alone. THANK YOU.
Henry Lewis lmao @ "this is some demon based shit!" 😂😂😂
Exactly...
Exactly! And no, I know the difference between fraternity and sorority! Don't let the name cause you to think I am a gentleman, I am a woman.
I want to ask but i know the rules
Couple of things...1) The movie is what it is. Write, and direct one that shows your process if you don't feel it portrays "Going Greek" correctly. Unfortunately 95% was spot on for me.2) "It's easier to build strong children than to rebuild broken men." This is not about protecting Greeks but saving lives. It's funny how many people who can't relate shun the focus. I wouldn't wish my pledge process on my worst enemy. This film was mild...
My hat goes off to the brother who had the courage to put it out there. If you don't know now you know.
PS. Dude was not put off line for helping his LB. He failed the mental test and walked off! SMH. Why did his LB's let him leave?... is a better question. The mental part of pledging was exposed off the bat.
John Maxwell IV I don’t know who you are but I’m so sorry that you had to go through something like that. It’s disgusting and just plain wrong. I’m from the UK so this whole thing is ludicrous to me! I hope it didn’t effect you too much...
Mild?! Yiiiiikes!
The movie did really scare me away from pledging especially since my Hbcu's sororities are currently on suspension for hazing. I'm not gonna lie my only worry is about the possibilities of being drastically harmed during process.
Me too girl..
Gabriela Gold As a member of one of the D9 Sororities,I am so sorry to hear that these stories have scared you away from applying.
Grad Chapter
Yeah...my line watched the movie...they were so scared.... I reassured them... "These hands don't haze!"
Teesh L. If you let them haze you, you’re also guilty. It’s illegal to haze and to let someone haze you. So you can “snitch” if you want, but you’re also snitching on yourself lol 😂
the dean didn't give a fuck about Zurich's well-being
These advisors perpetuate this crap in some cased...
The ending makes me angry because we have to come up with what happens on our own. Does his line brothers get in trouble? Do they snitch on the frat and get them in trouble? I was disappointed in the Zurich's mentor (the doctor) for just basically leaving the guy for dead.
I felt like the whole voice over during the film was the extra credit essay he wrote, I might be wrong but I think that that's why there was no scene that shows the teacher's reaction. The essay was read during the movie and it was up to the viewer to interpret it
Noamane Ragane I agree
Well put and I totally agree
I watched this and honestly felt like it was an accurate portrayal of pledging, as for myself I had those same feelings as far as Zurick was concerned. My best friend told me that i was paying for friends and my girl at that time was super in my corner. Most people who consider themselves leaders think that that can do the most good from the inside but the climbing that mountain to cross those sands aint easy. I think it starts with the fact that you have to "Earn" it but you shouldnt have to be willing to Die from it. Evaluate the bruhs on yard, like ol big dude who got off bu hitting folks, naw Dean shouldve checked him from jump. You always should have 2-3 bruhs who help facilitate learning and curves the blunt force hit. Lastly, again old big dude shouldve been out when he flung that thick spit in ol buddy face.
ANTHONY holmes the big dude probably was hazed really bad before or was bullied in high school
ANTHONY holmes i couldnt understand why the Dean(or the Bruh who was a Doctor)stop the blows to Zurich or the Legacy.
Very cruel ending
Mr. Perfect very.
Jay MGTOW right did all that and still didn’t get in 😭
Yes. Even more so because it's actually happens
Gwen Renee when did it occur ?
@@dashboy4l My bad, it happens; hazing that is. I didn't mean to imply that this particular
incident occurred. When I attended college a young man was paralyzed from the waist down as a result of hazing.
I thought that at the end of the movie Zurich finally called his dad because he realized that his dad was trying to warn his son of the dangers of hell week. Hell week is probably scheduled at the same time each year and Zurich's father was also interested in pledging the same Lamda whatever whatever fraternity during his time in school. However, Zurich's father did not go through with the process due to his disapproval of the unjust torture and hazing going on. It can also be implied that Zurich's father witnessed the murder of a young man on his potential line back when he was in school and was calling Zurich to warn him not to pledge the same fraternity or not to get caught up in the hype or madness, and never to forget where he comes from. That he is of King and Queen stature and that he doesn't need a fraternity to degrade him and beat him like a slave to possess what he desires in life, because the courage and ability required to do so already exists within him. I could keep going on and on about this, but if yall understand even half of what I said, PLEASE THUMBS UP THIS COMMENT SO THAT OTHERS MAY READ, RESPOND, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE MOVIE REALLY IS ABOUT!
Sorry I left one more thing out... What if the Dean of the school was on the line with Zurich's father when a fellow line member was killed. Zurich's father did the right thing by standing up to the fraternity, backing down from the line, and realizing that his "brother" just died for absolutely nothing! & Obviously the Dean of the school still went through with the initiation process and became a "Lamda etc etc". But here's the kicker, Zurich's father wanted to warn Zurich about the fraternity, and the Dean specifically "nominated" Zurich for the fraternity, knowing of his father's history and wants to get back at Zurich's dad for leaving the frat and breaking the tradition. So he does everything he can to get into Zurich's head and bring him into the frat, not allowing him to back down and do the right thing like his father! What yall think? I'm open to comments lol
DatDudeCMitche , on point thats what I was thinking.....thank you, i seriously did not pledge when i was in college because i seriously can not see getting beat for a title. I went through alot in elementary,junior high,and high school coming from Chi-town, Anyhue, i definitely agree with you. On so many levels pledging is a very degrading process. I had such a big problem with all this brotherhood talk and the minute real shyt happens they have gone to far they were willing to drop of there brother at the hospital and smash off. How is that a brotherhood anything? Its a good movie tho.....i can go on and on....gotta go to sleep while my newborn sleep...goodmorning and goodnight....at the end of the day hazing is real and it exists....
Nikki Will Thanks, I also agree with you . I am finishing up my freshman year in college and this makes me weary of wanting to pledge. There is absolutely 0 regulation to hazing & due to its underground nature it is often times much worse than in recent years. Not to mention the historical contexts behind Greeks, their origin and their actual significance but that's a whole 'nother can of worms lol Goodnight/Goodmorning sister :)
If you wish to be apart of something bigger than yourself, join the local church and get in touch with God. Frat groups are nothing more than a college club.
Tonynky exactly. Just a reason for people to do stupid as sadistic shit to each other under the guise of "brotherhood". I wouldn't want to be bonded to any person that would treat vulnerable defenseless people like that.
Churches are just as bad
There is something to be said about the network of people you'll have once you join, and being a part of something so much larger than you. My father is an alpha, and the friendship he has with people he pledged with is unlike anything I've ever seen. It's really amazing.
I think its about knowing which fraternity to join, and whether what they put you through will be worth it.
Exactly
I know a GDI that was trying to justify going through hazing to get in an org. I didn't know what to tell her other than joining might not be for her. I think hazing will be the death of NPHC and it needs to be stopped. Btw, BGLOs are not the only ones that haze. All of our founders were "paper". You think they went around hazing each other? Now, I went through a process but was not hazed severely like the men in the movie. That was extreme. BUT, we still need to stop hazing. There are other ways to build character and bonds with potential new members. We need to find those ways before we all end up being banned from universities.
I loved the movie, I would say its the most accurate movie on Greek Life as a whole, I joined an IFC Fraternity and have personally experienced a handful of the actives these pledges went through so it was great for me!
Idiot
My mom is apart of the zeta phi beta organization and even she told me to give up the idea of being a greek. She told me it isn't all that it's cracked up to be and that it's just a big show off competition.
James Shelton not all of us. Your graduate life, if active, will be so different. We have to police our undergraduate chapters better & police our own pre 1990, usually non financial, old heads that only show up for the foolishness & make us all look bad. You should not be instant friends with someone who could hurt you.
Your mom is a smart woman
20:40 Would you like to know why? Regular people do not like to be beaten, spat on, paddled, forced to eat dog food, forced in to pools blindfolded, battered to the point of an epileptic seizure, or made to endure a week of extreme hazing with a broken rib. All of which you said wasn't unrealistic. Only a fool would willingly participate, and it's why I'm thinking twice about participating in black Greek life. The risk seems greater than the reward.
This certainly isn't brotherhood and God has no part in this. I'm glad so many have gone through the process and prevailed. But would they suffer such indignity for the purpose of salvation? These oaths, false gods, beatings, hazing, secret meetings, deaths and only God knows. I too was to pledge a BGO during undergrad... But I decided at the last moment not to pledge. A guy ended up getting dropped on his head, they broke his neck, he was paralyzed the rest of his life, basically a vegetable. But this is brotherhood. Some went to prison over this fiasco, and the young man in question was never the same all because he wanted to be a part of an "amazing" organization. Then current members have the audacity to say research research research... WE ARE RESEARCHING and finding that what you advertise is not what goes on behind closed doors or in secret. And the last time I researched I didn't have to join a torturous demonic cult in order to do community service and make a difference.
@@MrBlusoul cult is correct. Plus the "secret" pledge process for most are published online. The words of the pledge is straight up idolatry. The "faith" they put in *insert 1-3 Greek letters* is the faith they should be putting in God. NO ONE should PRAY to a false god, saying things like "O Alpha Kappa Alpha, we greet Thee, may we always cherish Thy name with all our might, we honor and revere Thee, our heads to Thee we bow." Quoted from the AKA Memorial service prayer. They pray this prayer at the death of an AKA. Like woah 😳. This is called a prayer, TO a false god. So all these good deeds and community service but done for the sake of the false god instead of for God almighty. And on top of it, with pushes to disobey God with indulges in alcohol and fornication. For the sake of Greek life. That's a big big no. I pray God guides people out. Im sure the originators were God fearing people with good intentions but there have definitely been lots of Satanic influences since then all this kneeling and praying to these idols. The hazing makes the loyal to their gods bc who will give it up after going through all that. It's sad.
I totally agree, this movie made me not want me pledge the Black Greek Sorority I was interested in
Sororities are wayyy easier than frats and not even close to what goes on in the movie
Great commentary frat. I agree with a lot of what you covered and disagree with some. To your point about the "we are kings" scene. I saw that as the call to action to say... "we will go through this chaos, get in, and change it for the better...because that's what kings (leaders) do." That's exactly what we did during and after my process. Be the change. Secondly, I don't think it gave our organizations a bad rap. I think it was an accurate depiction of many people's lived experiences. This is the subculture that we created and we should spend more time being introspective for continual improvement. This movie is the perfect and needed mirror. Thanks, for the review.
I had to watch the last scene again to ensure he died. I wish the movie didn't end there it left a cliff hanger
T Daniel watch with the subtitles on they say what happened to him
Jeffrey Plummer what I didn’t see anything in the credits
He died. Turn the volume up at the end of the movie
He died
Proud sorority member (Kappa Delta - Alpha Nu chapter) and I LOVED your review. I was never hazed a moment in my life and so glad to hear another greek member speaking out against hazing. I have not seen the film (since I know I wouldn't be able take the hazing, which is the point of this movie), but I would agree with you in feeling conflicted on it. Art is supposed to depict life and provide us the opportunity to experience something we were not able to in our own lives, which it sounds like this movie does very well. However, greek life gets such a bad rap as it is and I don't want to continue that public narrative. Thank you for your great review and I hope people can come to a better understanding of what greek life and the greek family is supposed to be.
Tyler Perry is on point
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Black or White, if you allow someone to punch you in the face one day and call him a brother the next... you're a fool. Just drink, PT and have some fun.
Theta Chi National Fraternity - Fall '85 - Eta Zeta Chapter.
K Frye Damn Right!
K Frye AMEN To That!
K Frye "No bruises above the neck"
I think you really made a valid point about turning around and liking the people that tormented you. I really think that cycle should be broken. What made the greek community get in such an uproar was because that they don't want this cycle to break because of their traumatic experiences would suddenly mean nothing if it changed.
The issue shouldn't be with telling the "most extreme" cases . The issue is that it is STILL happening. Most of these chapter advisors know exactly what's going on underground.
I joined Kappa Beta Gamma International Sorority in Fall of 2016 at the Alpha Epsilon Chapter. Never once when I was going through education was hazed or even thought I would be hazed. My organization is so strict on being anti-haze that if nationals even thinks you are hazing, you will be shut down. Plus, as you said, pledging or going through a new member process is supposed to lift you up and bond you closer to your class sisters and the sisters that have joined before you. Plus, my organization is a Christian-based sorority in our motto and values, so it would look terrible if hazing occurred. If fact, new member education just made me fall into a deeper understanding and love for my sorority and made me even more excited to wear letters for the first time. Thank you for addressing hazing in the way you did and the review of the movie was excellent! Love in Kappa, man! 💙💛
I pledged Alpha Phi Alpha at Tuskegee Institute during the Spring 1973 semester and our process did not consist of most of the physical activities you see on "Burning Sands".
Key Edwards 1973
Key Edwards: 1973?!? Salute dear brother.......that was eight years before I was born. I pledged APhiA in Fall 2006.
I pledged A PHI A in fall 74 so Key we are definitely some old heads and I agree. This was an extreme version of pledging. Most of these things did not happen to me but I did hear of such in all fraternities over the years. Was it either? Let's just say it is a lot easier today and rightly so.
I think in the young generation is out of hand compared to the older because I have heard many horror stories from A Phi A 🤷🏾♀️ but please denounce because it’s not of God. It’s idolatry
I watched the movie and it's so sad.. the thought of a guy I used to be involved with for a short period of time pledging brings tears to my eyes because though they say hazing or nothing brutal goes on it's a fact that something goes on other than what many claim it to be.
Frat, I have not seen this movie yet. I stumbled across your video, so first let me say, 06'. I now know I will watch this movie tonight, as your review and the comments have me intrigued. I am from the old school, crossed over 3/9/89, have a brand on my left arm, and the experience was extremely brutal. My Sands, of which there were 4 of us, split off from a line of 14 total, because we attended a college an hour away that did not have an Alpha chapter of its own, so in order to pledge, we traveled an hour back and forth daily, to a college which did. Our experience, obviously fell into some deep waters because we were removed from any oversight by being away from our own college environment. We also pledged at a college which was down the road from two HBCU's and back then, we were taken to every chapter in that area of the state and sometimes across the state line to another HBCU, "kidnapped", as it was referred to at that time. We definitely were changed men by the time we were finished because of all that I said, we went on line in the fall of 1988 and crossed in the spring of 1989 because none of us knew any better. It was a graduate chapter member who stumbled across us and learned about our journey that essentially established our finish line. NOW you can see, we had some choices at the end, become extremely bitter because we had some hellish experiences, or stay the course of why we joined which was to serve the black community by, like you said, uplifting others. We chose the latter, however, we were bitter, yet didn't realize it until we, ourselves, began doing what we said we wouldn't do when we pledged our first group a year later. Subconsciously, we became the product we experienced ourselves. Moving forward, post graduating, beginning real life, three of the four of us have grown into very successful community oriented men truly uplifting our communities as best we can. We chose to hold onto the "why" Alpha Phi Alpha is an excellent fraternity and chose to appreciate what our purpose really is. One of us detached from us right after we crossed. We have not seen or heard from him since. I am still a very proud member of the Fraternity. Obviously, an old head alumni now. The brand on my arm always reminds of the proud legacy while sometimes creates momentary thoughts of some scary moments. The three of us just recently re-activated on a national level because we all feel, now more than ever, any black organization that exists in this country needs to be at the forefront of change to help protect our culture as a whole against the massive intentional racism prevalent on a daily basis. It's not new for any of us, especially black men, but a dangerous door has been opened by a narcissistic "leader" of our country, and I want to always give my own son and daughter a fighting chance in this world without fear, as well as, protect the heritage of our beautiful culture as whole. I owe this to my deceased father and mother who gave me the hope of a college education and especially the truest of martyr of my family, my 98 year old living grandmother who was born and raised right here in the rural south. This movie will be very interesting to watch now, but I wanted to share my real world pre-1990's line experience. I am a proud member but I would never allow my son to experience anything like I did. Thanks for the review, Frat! 3/9/89, Too Intense
Lets be real all Frats be on that we dont do any hazing. But they be hazing like A MF LOL. I was Going to be a Kappa i asked one of the guys what would i have to do to join this man told me i would have to join to find out. and i was like hell naw. i know what they be doing to them guys.and i was told horror story's
Probably wouldn't have even got a bid lol
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ASAP 50 I think what the brother was trying to tell you was that he can't tell you what the process would be like, you would have to make the first step by joining to find out. But, instead you turned away because of what you heard. My question to you would be, but do you actually know how it is? Because ppl say alot of things but it doesn't mean its true. Joining an organization has to have a deeper meaning to you for wanting to join. You must had not wanted to be a Kappa because you so easily turned away from it mainly off of something that you heard and could possibly not be true. I am a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc. And if you still have the desire to be a Kappa man, really do your research on the fraternity and seek membership.
naw cuddy i dont like all the hush hush stuff i need to know what im walking in to the like you walking in to a night club and you ask the man at the door is it safe to go in and he looks at you ans says you to go in to find out.no disrespect but you one of them so you have to say that you have play the game so thy don't pull yo card
ASAP 50 I feel you bro, and I respect your opinion but I will say that we love our fraternity and it is near and dear to our hearts so the things portrayed in that movie may be someones reality but for Kappa and any other org if they love it would not risk its existence just to lay hands on somebody and I don't believe our members would want 100 plus years of achievement to be thrown away like that and it can happen. But like I said take some time to do your own research my g. It might change your perspective on the matter.
👍I kept skipping over this movie. Then in a moment of boredom I decided to look it up and saw that Alfre Woodard was part of the cast so I decided to give it a look-see. All I will say is I’ve always thought of sororities and fraternities as nonsense and the people who join them as weak sheep...I still do. They are gangs. Period. I have no use for any of them✌️💞
"They are gangs..." BINGO!!! Hazing/pledging to get in... Needing to be apart of a group to feel valued. Throwing up hand signs... Reppin' your chapter like reppin' your hood. Oh, but when it's incorporated in an academic setting with a little bit of community service thrown in for good measure, it's OK? Well, it's not! I don't get why people don't see Greek fraternities and sororities for what they are: GANGS!
+ B-Columbian Truther - 👍Exactly.
Yes absolutely they are‼️ A bunch of wack people that need to be accepted to feel like somebody‼️‼️‼️‼️ Wanting to stand out so bad 🙄
@@nancyfischer4875 - 👍Completely agree. Sad, so sad.
I've been in the thinking process of whether or not I should pledge. I currently attend an HBCU, my mother crossed the burning sands. Honestly after watching the movie I felt more scared than anything ,but I will say some things I didn't know at all were brought to the light. My mother watched the movie and told me some things its just mind over matter. Watching your review I feel a little more secure about the pledging process (best part of the movie is when the pledges got to call their big brothers.)
jessica mya exactly sister. i graduated high school in 2013. had some delays. but now im able to re attend college fully. and i want to pledge . but i hope burning sands isnt how its gonna go for me. pray for me sis!
Pretty good review. The director is actually my line brother. I think his message rings the same as the message in Spike Lee's School Daze - essentially to WAKE UP! The main perspective was from "a pledgee view" so some of your dislike is from a fellow Greek view. If you actually went back to put yourself in the shoes of "wanting to be down" you'd probably like and relate to more of those parts. Also this film is fiction and isn't a depiction of Black Greeks. It's focus is pledging, but encompasses research from ANY ORGANIZATIONS that a student is able to pledge - ranging from NPHC, to the Band, to Military frats and so on. If someone is scared away from being Greek after seeing this movie, they probably shouldn't Join in the first place
Russell Drake My main concern is that is that what it's all about? I look up to MLK jr what he overcome and stood up for to be apart of that helping others anyway you can. This movie didn't show no bright side. What would they founders say about this? This didn't scare me away it made me more woke about fraternities
Russell Drake great response.its interesting how I read a quote from your Bruh Langston Hughes who spoke highly of his Process. Where did it all go to the level in this movie...💕💚
This movie was tragic, but factual. I attended Two HBCU’s and I’ve seen AND heard the horror stories about physical and sexual abuse, humiliation, financial misconduct, mental torture, criminal initiation, drug use, and worse. I hope this movie causes the national chapters of the entire Divine 9 to launch a vicious collective investigation into All activities and practices. Also, Zurich was probably feeling that he had to cross in order to be in a position to change things.
The lead actor was actually on the second season of American Crime.
I think a big reason why people join a fraternity / sorority is because it will give you opportunity when you're out. You don't agree morally of what is going on, but it is the only way to get out ahead. I think this has also definitely played a part for Zurich, as he wanted to get into medicine so badly.
Great review. I think it's important to note that "hazing" is not exclusive to BGO. Sports teams haze, the military hazes, bands haze. Perhaps the more introspective question is, why do human beings feel the need to inflict pain on others?
Exactly. Military hazing…oh my gosh. The ass whoopins that take place during lights out. Whew. Thank God it didn’t happen to me, but it def does happen. I’ve witnessed it.
PHRAT! Great reaction. Just did a review myself so its cool to see another Alpha doing a review. Very thorough. Definitely subbing. 06'!
Even though there is a non hazing policy some frats and sororities still practice it. Let’s be real.
It happens bruh. We tear each other down to much. We have cliques within a line. It's not good when a DP have to tell you not to clique-up. And when you cross, one clique doesn't associate with the other(s). They have no interest in bonding or getting to know others outside their clique but they are all on the same line. Sad. Smh!!! I haven't seen the movie but if it's as you say then it's real and it happens.
Greetings Frat 🤙🏾! I appreciate your review of this movie which I saw when it first came out. Your review has motivated me to see it again and watch for some of the things you speak on.
I think you wrap your review up nicely when you said “Anything worth having is worth working hard for”.
Allow me a moment to tell mine...
I pledged during the summer of 1977 at Northwestern (Alpha Mu). I was commuting from the campus to my Aunt and Uncle’s (who is also Frat) house in South Chicago (at the time home of the National HQ and “Terrible Theta” Chapter). Brothers from ALL over Illinois were home for the summer so I was running into Big Brothers at every turn...and yes, I was going to summer session classes as well! My pledge period was 12 weeks and needless to say it was a CRAZY 12 weeks! It was a long hard crossing with my three other shipmates (I was the ACE on my line). When we got to our Hell week/night, the Chapter brothers were back and relatively speaking it was a walk in the park compared to what we went thru during that summer. But here I am bathed in Black and Old Gold. Yes, it was a time of discovery for me...a maturing and an annealing of my soul and my spirit.
I said all of this to say that anything worth having is worth working hard for! Pledging is meant to be hard and have many obstacles. It’s meant to show you that you are capable of doing things you never thought you could or would do.
Two things I will leave you with:
“Out of the night that covers me
Black as the pit from pole to pole
I thank whatever Gods may be
For my unconquerable soul”
WEH
“IF you can keep your head
When all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...”
RK
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Great review! Super unbiased for a person that represents a D9 org!
The movie is a warning. I was in school before the so-called end to hazing. There were broken legs, trips to the hospital, it was brutal. What Caryen (sp?) says he didn't understand about the film is precisely what the story is trying to convey to the viewers (and doing a good job at it). Will agree that not know your line brothers' given names is pretty odd tho. That aside, people dying during this process is a red flag. The need for the Pan Hellenic Council to publicly institute an end to hazing is a red flag. If you look at all the great leaders in recent history and mostly none are members of a Devine 9 org ...is a red flag. The best and brightest are avoiding these orgs due to the pledge process. There's too many that can take an a** whoopin and give an a** whoopin in these orgs. There like positive gangs nowadays.
I've seen the movie recently and....
I've thought about putting myself in a group such as a sorority but what has stopped me is things like the Burning Sands. You have given the whole outlook on the movie different, by comparing your personal story to the movie THANK YOU
I appreciate your truthfulness in regards to acknowledging that those hazing events ARE realistic.
I don't know why they on joint dumb groups like this
next semester of school I plan in pledging and watching this film put things in perspective for me a little I fr dnt want to go through hazing 😂😂but honestly I want to be apart of something bigger than myself, something that will help me better myself as a man and ik the alphas can do tht for me
im a member since Fall 12' and i can tell you it's all bullshit man. Hope you didn't spend your money yet lol. Alpha wont better you or help you do a damn thing. That's what your family and God are for.
He said "it's a none hazing fraternity" 😂😂
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ballertips it is none of this is based on a true story and also most are banned by their universities and cause them to be automatically expelled
LimitZ COD bro if you know you know, I’m not gonna argue
ballertips I’m already knowing they do it anyways
You gotta say that even though we know
100% spot on. I agree whole heartedly with everything. Great review Phrat. 06!
WE ARE NOT BLACK GREEKS! People, please get it right. We are Black Greek LETTERED Organizations.
Great vid. I loved Burning Sands as a movie and you showed me different perspectives. Now I wanted to pledged a Greek organization, and I felt if anything this movie didn’t make me shy away from pursuing that, it made me want to do it more. It may me want to prepare my mind and body that look, you’re going to be going through things so it made me want to work out and get in shape, things of that nature.
Why do you think his father dropped line, and the call at the end...Do you think it's because someone died on his father's line?
I was just a GDI with the Q's And I stopped going when they knocked a dude out by hitting him in the head with a frying pan. My cousin is an Alpha now and he deeply regrets it, he's never been the same since. The beatings have totally ruinied the mysticism in it.
With a fucking frying pan? He could've died bruh. Smh.
What in the absolute hell?
Thanks frat! When I heard of the movie, my main concern was how many dangerous pledging ideas is it going to give people? We have enough lawsuits from hospitalizations and deaths.
I feel like his speech about being Kings goes along with the quote from Fredrick Douglas you said he said in the movie he wants to go in Finnish getting broken in and rise as the kings that they are
Pham this video was very informative and it is nice to hear the insight of a Fraternity man as I have just watched the movie not so long ago and still trying to gather how I really feel about it. I think I am going to end up re-watching this movie to get my thoughts straight, but your review as well as your thoughts are very intriguing. It really caught me off guard how much of D9 culture was actually allowed to be portrayed in the film. For example "See it Through" and do not even get me started on the end.....smh
"I thought we were Kings now we goin back to gettin beat" LMFAO
Awesome video man. You do a great job of breaking down points for greek life that I couldn’t even explain to a geed. Flow is really good too, it’s cohesive. Really well done video
Thanks for being so transparent, great review!
This movie seemed to be 90+ minutes of hazing and I think for cinemas sake it was sensationalized by showing only the worse side of it. There was no focus on the positive, and the balance is therefore skewed. Now since the writer and director is a Que from Howard I am sure his view/experience is different than a lot of others.
Actually, it was pretty accurate.
Sorry I am greek and my process was not 100% hazing. Is there hazing of course but there are also moments of positivity and there was no positivity. Also I am not gonna say it was accurate, I was never allowed to go to a party while online so when did that happen. Also whenever has anyone been online for 4 weeks and not know the name of the ace. You learn your LB's info on day one. So I disagree. Like I said it is not 8-10 weeks of straight ass beating.
are you greek? and if so, then why did you allow that to happen to you? because that was not accurate at all to me.
Saw this movie and was disturbed by the ending and the sex scene when the pledges had to sleep with the same female in one night.
Some frats do having the whole pledge line have sex with the same female
@@jonathanthuder15 demonic
I’m 7 years late lol but parts of this was hard to watch . I wanted to jump through the tv and help them come to their senses. The last scene was upsetting. All of the abuse, power, ego, idea of prestige masked behind brotherhood and community service smh gang activity but I want a part 2
Thank you for your review. I am what you would call a GDI- however I was an interest. With that said, I have been around BLOG for some time and have them in my family. The one thing that was always said from friends and family was to do my research. I wanted to carry on a legacy at first. But one of my cousins knew me very well and knew that it wasn't for me. And for a long time I was so offended that she stated that. However knowing what I know now and my journey in what I partook in...she was right. I think that the movie is a good movie but the Hell week and underground pledging process was mortifying to me. And even though it was maybe over the top; as you stated it does happen and has. That is what is not for me. What I wonder and no shade to anyone or disrespect at all; but is that really what your founders wanted? Is that how the unity is supposed to be? That is what blew me away. So at the end of the day I will be a GDI and I am fine with that. I am fine with my Friends and family that took their paths into greekdom. But I want to thank you sir for being honest and having an open mind to the movie.
you couldn't have said it any better.. main point... IS THIS WHAT YOUR FOUNDERS WANTEd.. we already know the history of our ppl, and to go through this bs to build eachother is ridic and pretty contradicting. I'm from NY so I know I would get kicked out lol.. I would be able to do it but trust I would be kicked out due to the first physical touching.
SPR 89 Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. BETA XI CHAPTER LOC...the presupposition that HBCUs pledge harder here is not
quite true...back in the day of Pledging Above Ground, it depended on
the individual chapters. Though I pledged HARD at an HBCU, the chapter at a predominantly white campus KH was known for being HARD as well...as was the PWC at UT Martin....Muddy Bloody Forever!!!! My Chapter was brutal to a point but the aim of
all of the hazing was to get those on line to reject the abuse and come
together as a line...once that evolution happened, it was straight
BUSINESS after that...get all I's dotted and all T's crossed...the wood
was thrown often and to the point of us refusing to take anymore. Some
brothers at other chapters saw this as an insult to the brotherhood...WE
didn't give a damn...the hazing was what it was...but the chapter I
pledged aimed to bring in MEN....and if you continued to take the abuse
as a unit....we questioned your intelligence...
Andre Miller That's real shit bro I be telling people if yo line weak that ass get beat lol but really the process is about knowing what is about bringing out your integrity and ultimately standing up as a man despite consequences.
Me Personally , I'm not about to be apart of a club or frat and get beat like a slave by some men that feel good about beating a man helpless so that I can wear some letters and be identified as a Q Dog or Kappa or whatever. I'm just as strong being a man by myself as I would be with them. If I walk in the Lord he will make my name greater than some club with guys that want to feel important. Lol!! I'm sorry. I don't have to be accepted by no one because in acceptable to God. And I don't have to be beat . I'm sorry but being bros with those guys ain't that important . By the way the movie was good , but the ending sucked!
Agree to the fullest Jesus is always the way and light, we have brotherhood and sisterhood in Christ!!🤗
Bro what a well articulated perception of this movie.
I see comments from Those who didn’t experience this type of of pledging process. Thank god cause y’all must have had good advisors, a chapter with sense, and moral Lb/Ls. I’m a Legacy that purposely didn’t pledge due to hearing from classmates that a certain chapter of a sorority didn’t accept legacies and that if you didn’t get hazed it was just paper. I also attended, but transferred right before A particular Drum major from a Fl institution died from getting hazed ... I could feel the energy of that institution getting dark. hazing or “showing” that you wanted to be a part of any campus group oozed everywhere in my opinion. How tf you have Greek letters and a stroll for a modeling group? How do you have Greek letters for musicals organizations other than the nationally recognized ones?
I come from a noble line of women I know wouldn’t expect or respect me for allowing someone to call themselves my sister and treat me less than. That goes for the band and any other organization. I can show you my worth better than I can tell you and that doesn’t include humiliation and trauma.
I won’t even get started on the slave branding. Yeah even the sororities. Call me wimpy, but please observe the yard and use discernment. There’s grad chapters lol.
Great review. One tiny thing that I think you missed is that the paper Zurich turns in at the end wasn't extra credit. There was another paper due the day he yelled and walked out of his professors class... so he turned in that (second) paper late.
Loved your commentary and definitely agree with your point of view!
My friends and I weren’t Greek but when it came to the divine 9, they actually were nice to us as we held the campus down with putting together music events and DJing some of their parties...I got approached by an Omega and a Kappa at different occasions to join....I respectfully declined lol
The movie was intended to show the negative sides. It’s based off a real hazing death that happened at Florida A&M University.
Great review! I think it was a pretty good movie! I agree it kinda makes greek life look bad. he probably should of shown the good parts about being greek too. Some of the parts did feel rushed, I really wanted to know more about his relationship with his father.
i agree, i am from australia and we dont have these types of groups at college/university. after i watched the movie i felt like i didnt want to join and glad we dont have this in australia lol. does this stuff actually happen because thats just plain dumb in my opinion smh.
I lost my only son Howard University student HAZING 💔 😭2015 Thank you so much for speaking TRUE 💯‼️GOD bless you more 🙏🏾🤲🏾
That light skin boy was cute though😂😍
Outstanding talk on this strange movie, frat.
I am also a brother of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. Sigma Beta Chapter at East Tennessee State University.
Again, great job taking about this movie.
yeah the ending really caught me off guard, and actually after listening to your review feel a little cheated by the conclusion.
so us as the viewer following their process was in the end a waste.
I feel like this is how a show season finale end.
I know they intentionally meant to have it open ended, but it was void of any redemption opportunity.
As a college kid I've went to Geek week and talked to a frat people they are pretty cool and nice people including the black ones but like you said the hazing is kinda forbidden and they didn't go through that which is good cause before I thought that happens. The movie was good but it showed a dark light more then a bright light the speech was good however I think that it was too harsh for them to change it from the inside at that moment since you see that even the dean was too scared to do anything.
To the Kings statement. His point in emphasizing their being Kings before enduring Hell night was to prepare them for when it was over. He was saying that the treatment they experienced throughout their process ends with them and that once they finish and are officially brothers, they will start anew in terms of making sure that those who pledge after them do not experience the level of disrespect they did, and thus treating them like Kings instead.
The part where the main character discusses him and his line brothers being Kings was basically the main character reflecting upon where they are from and how they should act as Kings ...with that being said the main character was trying to convince the other line brothers that once they are offices members of the Frat they will not follow the lead of the Frat brothers before them by acting violently toward their pledges...instead the main character is basically saying they will not treat pledges disrespectfully because they are kings ...the main character is planning to attempt to make a positive change within the Frat once he and his brothers become official members
I believe that the fraternity and new members was to be the reference to slavery and to its tie in with Fredrick Douglass
how the fraternity members are treated to be horrible (as slaves) and the fraternity is shown to be the upper class.Unlike other fraternity or sorority Zurich was in a toxic environment in this organization, He also find brotherhood between the five of them.
This shows as hierarchy in the fraternity where they enslave their own .If there is no struggle, there is no progress.
To see the identities around these men.
I agree that the cinematography of this film was outstanding, which honestly surprised me ONLY because of how "amateur" and "cheap" the Dvd cover image looked.
I remember seeing the dvd in upcoming movies online and totally dismissed it.
Some time later, I came across the trailer which sold me instantly and to my surprise at the end of trailer (my really moment), I saw the same dvd I previously discounted as "janky" ( years ago I got fooled when I purchase a movie by "big Walter" called Pledge brothers I was going to show during "Alpha Week" as one of the programs), and bro was it terrible!
The "Burning Sands" cover art look just as cheap as the "In the name of Brotherhood" 2000 VHS cover art!!!!
I bet with a better cover image they could have grabbed a bigger reaction or interest from the very beginning. is just cover art wasn't that appealing and didn't give justice to this movie.
06 to the good bruhs!
The creation of the movie is not tearing down the image of Black Greek Life the actions of members who participate in hazing are staining the proud image of the supposed "Divine Nine".
Hey, regarding your we come from King's statement @ 19:00. I believe he was referring to when we cross over, and it is our turn to deal with pledgees, we won't do the same to them as we got. Maybe...
The best advice of keep your soul intact these organizations put you to so much stress you do evil stuff like bow down deities and Overlook it just for the camaraderie status and they pathway
I remember Trevor being in Disney things
He played in let it shine😂
So I appreciate your knowledge...but you said if someone told you the reason they wanted to pledge was brotherhood, to you they'd lose stripes,but @17:54 you say that's the entire reason to pledge. #facts👀
Reason may be because you can attain brotherhood from church...just a thought
Because that’s what everybody says. You’ve got to think more about it to come up with an answer other than just “Brotherhood.”
good review. And man that sucks if people really get beat and spit on like that
After watching the movie . It did shy me away a little but not stop me ... It also let me know how far I'm willing to go when it comes to being hazed if there is any hazing . I have no problem walking off line if I feel like my well being is in danger . And is also no way I can be friends with someone who treated me the way they was treated in the movie. I might have a flashback to when you was beating the crap out of me and spazz out .
Yeah Zurich is Trevor Jackson. He is also a R&B, soul singer and dancer. Check out his in my feelings album its dope. He was also in American crime season 2, thou his script was pretty short.
Brilliant review, well said and you certainly covered all of the basis from the standpoint of someone who has shared the real life Greek experience. You've certainly summed up many of the identical points that I made personally upon watching the movie as a BLGO member myself (KAPsi).
Spot on review! I did not go away to school so I never pledged but I felt you educated us very well on Greek life while not giving away too much info. I watched yesterday and I wondered how this would affect someone who actually lived through the experience so great work man I mean that!
The lawsuits will be the downfall of Black Greek organizations. Underground pledging is more dangerous. You don't have to be so vicious during the process
Yeah we knew everything about our LBs by the end of the first week lol.