Greetings to all Turkish people. You know,as we know,that we can live like very good friends. There is so many things to keep us together!!! Lavrio Hellas.
My godfather's grandma (and grandpa) was from Kappadokia.. In deed when she was sent to Greece in 1923, she only spoke Turkish. I live in England now.. when i have kids they will be native English not Greek speakers. Secondly, although she spoke Turkish (my godfather's first words were Turkish) she had always considered herself Greek.. and not Turkish.. It doesn't matter anymore anyway.. I am glad to see all these people feeling like brothers now..
Do you know Stammy 83?During the Lausanne Treaty,under the pressure of Llyod George,Lord Curzon and Venizalos, your godfather was taken from Anatolia in accordance with the teraty signed by the Turkish delegate şn 30th January 1930.They were Ortodoks Turks.They wouldn't eat pork.In 1071 and 1176 they abandoned the Byzantine army and fought the Byzantine army the Turks against the Byzantine army....They suffered a lot.Greetings my brothers.İn Ottoman state,there were people whose mother language and did not speak Turkish.İn addiation,there were ortodoks native speakers of Turkish who did not speak Greek.They called them Turkish seeds(Turkosporos) in Greece.Your godfather and the others had to say that I am not Turkish.
Anatolian Greeks were very successful in music as well as knowledge , they contribuded a lot Türkish Music and costed their Works their world famous Konyali Misirli Adanali and many mor.
I am of Cappadocian descent (3rd genration at Greece) cappadocians and anatolyan greeks were the remnants of the byzantine greeks (millet-i Rûm) . After 11th century the majorιty converted to Islam , a part of those who remained greek orthodox christians were forced during 15th century to speak turkish (there are also plenty of narratives and traditions concerning that event.), although up to the begins of the 20th century were villages speaking greek as well as the old archaic greek cappadocian dialect (simplified byzantine greek with turkish influnces).There song are mostly on turkish ,but either on the cappadocian greek dialect and some even in greek ..Most of their traditions songs and dances refer to events before the coming of the turks such as the dance Es Vasilis (Άη Βασίλης'', and ''seitata onima''(σεητατά όνιμα),and Mo ta glehe (Mo τα γλέχε ) .They have also preserved a few songs from the byzantine epic tradition of the akritika , the Borderguards of the empire sagas.The Cappadocians , as well as the pontians and the ionian greeks took refuge at Greece after 1922
There were Ortodoks Turks in Anatolia. Why you don't want mention about them? Peçenek Turks came to Anatolia before Muslim Oghuz Turks. And Karaman People descend from Peçenek Turks..Also Kıpçak Turks came to Anatolia (North Anatolia) from caucasus a long time ago than Oghuz Turks. (Kuman Kıpchak Turks)
aman adanli canim adanali ben sana yandim güzel delikanli ... yaa arkadaslar artik sagip cikalim bizim olan herseye !! insanlar herseyimi aliyo .. böyle olmaz ama !! alla alla..
@okeAnous There would be Galatian and pre-Greek (Hittite, Frygean, Pelasgian, etc.) elements in their genetic and cultural make-up also. And it is known that there were a lot of paid Turkish (Seljuk) soldiers who worked later for the Byzantine as well as Byzantine nobles who sought "asylum" from Seljuk lords against the crown etc. Dont forget this was the middle ages ruled by feodalism of some sort. Popular histories are not so enlightening in this matter.
There was orthodox Albanians (namely Arvanites) as many as muslim ones before and almost all of them has been hellenized Russians,Ukrainians and other neighboring slavs was never members of Istanbul church.They were adherent to Russian orthodox church.Bulgarians was part of Istanbul church before,so they were Greek/Rum by religion too but they formed their own church in 1870s and started to perform liturgy in their own slavic tongue instead of Greek but some of them in Macedonia hellenized too
Black Rose stop trying to make everything arab whic “arabic” music you are talking about? If you mean syria (cause the adana city is near of them which is topic city of the song) etc. They are not even arab they are arabized by name and language all of their cultural practice is byzantine folk if they use that kind of music it doesn’t make this music arabic. The original arabs in the gulf area and there is nothing desert sound in this music. This music is just copied of byzantine music.
They were Greek by religion because they were orthodox and members of Greek orthodox church. They were not Greek by ethnicity. They weren't alone in this either. There was Albanian, Vlach and Macedonian Slavic speaking people in there but they were Greek by religion again.
@mail2onur You have mention about '' the turkopoule '' ..well yoiu have to know that the tourkopole the children of mixed Greek and Turkish parentage and were at least nominally Christian, although some may have been practising Muslims and they were from the reconquered by the byzantines , parts of Asia Minor and Syria but not from Cappadocia.. this could have been Impossible! you see the region of the people you are talking about (Cappadocia ) was lost from the byzantines at 1071 A.D. and it was never reconquered , unlike other parts of the East .And before 11th century there were no turks in the eastern provinces , when did the byzantines christianized the turks of Cappadocia when they have lost the specific province?? And from the example of the spanish ''maranos'' I don't think that those turks converted to christianity would preserve their christian faith under the islamic state of the seljuk emirates and the ottoman empire. And anyway those people (Cappadocians) chose the millet of which they would like to be part of long long ago ;)
Ottoman Empire was not a simple religion state...Religion was a method to manage for them...They used all religions to cooperate.... Maybe Ottoman empire was the first secular state in the world…They respected all religions and they did manage all religions, they did cooparete with them. They lived together with all religions..Religion, İslam was a line for them…they were hard…Empire…Even today I can see that Anatolia doesnt have just one nation....Each city is a special state....a lot of, several,diffrent cultures....races people….very rich lands….fertile, prosperous, strong, noble…The World had ‘nation states’ after in 1922…There was no Ottonom Empire…and we had a big war with you and others to be independent…Cappadokia is a great place…İ like there, magical…Your origin is there, here..Come, visit there, enjoy it…We cant change the past…Dont worry…Dont stay the past…all things are about our ancestors…I can see this song how it is great…This song is touching on my heart…
@111Sakis Ölme e mi? Sen de tutup Sakis demişsin kendine. Yoksa Saki denen feylesofdan haberdarsın deme, bayılıveririm. "eksikTİ" diye yazılıyor bu arada.
@MAXIMILIANVS Cappadocians and Karamanlides was just Turkish christians, baptized by Byzantines between 10-13th century. This is very well known fact from 12-13th century Byzantine archives. They were calling them as Tourkopuoloi. They couldn't even speak one word of Greek when they gone to Greece in 1923 and their population was around ~400.000 at that time. Greek speaking Cappadocians was low in population comparing to these Turkish christians and they have completely disappeared among them
@MAXIMILIANVS I think you stick to what Khidiroglou had to say about the roots of Karamanlides.. He claimed that the Ottoman Turks had forced the originally Greek speaking people of the area so they started to speak Turkish sheepishly at once. Why would they bother to force them to do this, while letting them have their christian ways? If the reason is much more practical, let's say, to have a common language of communication for trade, why do they need to write even clerical texts in Turkish?
First of all.. Russians, Ukrainian and Slavs are nothing like Greek/Rum. Religion is not ethnicity.. Ethnology is a science completely irrelevant to religion. Finally did it occur to you that there were people in these areas before the genesis of Islam in the 6th century, and as Ottoman empire was created.. people were either forced or given incentives to convert..? :) :) Anyway.. seems to be an endless and pointless discussion. Get over the past, live the present and dream of the future!
@MAXIMILIANVS The point is how do you know so surely that they are of Greek origin? What is the irrefutable evidence that forces you to say that they were Greek and nothing more (or for you I guess it means LESS). This pure bred theory is so modernist and ethnocentric that you see no other way (like those who claim they were only and only Turkish paid soldiers who converted to Christianity) It was probably a mixture of these elements. And even more, knowing that the are was under Galation rule.
@MAXIMILIANVS You judge ottoman era with the nationalist mindset. Nationalist ideas rised in these lands only after 1820s, b4 that, being greek or turk wasnt even considered as important distinction. Also you greeks think all Turks are muslims. Its wrong. There was and still there are quite high population of askenhazi jewish Turks( since 7th century, Khazar turks) and orthodox turks(since 11th century) Remaining Turkish people who had shamanistic beliefs became muslims after 10th century.
well apart from Vlach people (who also lived in Ottoman Greece areas too) all the rest never belonged to the Greek Orthodox Church.. :D :D Albanians in fact are in majority Muslims :) If Greek by religion existed then Russians, Romanians, Ukranians, Bulgarians, Slavs, etc are also "Greeks by religion" :D :D :D Greeks moved to Kappadokia in the 3rd century BC - after Alexander's expedition to Asia. So Turkish, baptised by Byzantines after they lost control of the area.. makes no sense. Sorry :)
Εχω.γυναικα.σμυρνια.εγω.ποντιος..στα.35.χρονια..που.ειμαστε.παντρεμενοι.δεν.υπαρχει.στον.κοσμο..καλυτερο.διδυμο.ειδηκα..στην.κουζινα..που..ειμαστε..σεφ..και.οι.δυο ...με συνταγες..μικρας.ασιας..αν.και.τελειωσαμε.διεθνη..κουζινα.ειμαστε..πρωτη.σε..ολα..
Greetings to all Turkish people.
You know,as we know,that we can live like very good friends.
There is so many things to keep us together!!!
Lavrio Hellas.
O believe we are brothers, I love all of the greeks. From konya
🇹🇷🇬🇷❤
Greetings from Adana. Congratulations on the beautiful performance.
❤️
Greetings and best wishes from Adana Turkey ...
i am sending hugs to all greek people...Greece my 2th country..
Beautiful, long live the shared musical (and cultural) traditions of Greece and Turkey! Love, light&piece for BOTH countries.
I, ofcourse, meant "peace". :-)
Traditions of Greece!!!
Kappadokians are GREEKS!!!
My godfather's grandma (and grandpa) was from Kappadokia.. In deed when she was sent to Greece in 1923, she only spoke Turkish. I live in England now.. when i have kids they will be native English not Greek speakers.
Secondly, although she spoke Turkish (my godfather's first words were Turkish) she had always considered herself Greek.. and not Turkish..
It doesn't matter anymore anyway.. I am glad to see all these people feeling like brothers now..
Do you know Stammy 83?During the Lausanne Treaty,under the pressure of Llyod George,Lord Curzon and Venizalos, your godfather was taken from Anatolia in accordance with the teraty signed by the Turkish delegate şn 30th January 1930.They were Ortodoks Turks.They wouldn't eat pork.In 1071 and 1176 they abandoned the Byzantine army and fought the Byzantine army the Turks against the Byzantine army....They suffered a lot.Greetings my brothers.İn Ottoman state,there were people whose mother language and did not speak Turkish.İn addiation,there were ortodoks native speakers of Turkish who did not speak Greek.They called them Turkish seeds(Turkosporos) in Greece.Your godfather and the others had to say that I am not Turkish.
Probably she is greekified, ortohodox Turk.
greetings from Adana :))
and i am greek and i love turks!!!! :)
we loves Greeks too,but,not Greeks politici.
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its great many hi to our greek friends
i like greek version
she say perfect
thanks
Orthodox Turks 🇬🇷
Muslim Greeks 🇹🇷
We're the same without religion 🇬🇷❤🇹🇷
well,it is really nice.its Adana's traditional song,and there is no problem with Greek version of it.
Çok güzel,keşke hep dost kalsaydık.
What a wonderful song i am listening to.
Andy Sava.
Anatolian Greeks were very successful in music as well as knowledge , they contribuded a lot
Türkish Music and costed their Works their world famous Konyali
Misirli Adanali and many mor.
I m Turk and we love Greece..! We have no problem :))
Haydi Niko dance :D
The dance is awesome!!!!
the cultures are clamped together...no comment!
agzina saglik :).... hello from an armenian friend!!!! abris...
VIVA the Balkans,greetings from Bulgaria !
Do you know where Adana is? It is not in the Balkans.
Yes I do, it`s in Turkey but here the performers come from Greece !
+Erdem Karabulut .
yia sou Maria!!!
Harika birsey agzina saglik beni cocukluk günlerime geri götürdü!
LOVE YOU LOTS
TURKEY&GREECE
I am of Cappadocian descent (3rd genration at Greece) cappadocians and anatolyan greeks were the remnants of the byzantine greeks (millet-i Rûm) . After 11th century the majorιty converted to Islam , a part of those who remained greek orthodox christians were forced during 15th century to speak turkish (there are also plenty of narratives and traditions concerning that event.), although up to the begins of the 20th century were villages speaking greek as well as the old archaic greek cappadocian dialect (simplified byzantine greek with turkish influnces).There song are mostly on turkish ,but either on the cappadocian greek dialect and some even in greek ..Most of their traditions songs and dances refer to events before the coming of the turks such as the dance Es Vasilis (Άη Βασίλης'', and ''seitata onima''(σεητατά όνιμα),and Mo ta glehe (Mo τα γλέχε ) .They have also preserved a few songs from the byzantine epic tradition of the akritika , the Borderguards of the empire sagas.The Cappadocians , as well as the pontians and the ionian greeks took refuge at Greece after 1922
You think so...
There were Ortodoks Turks in Anatolia. Why you don't want mention about them? Peçenek Turks came to Anatolia before Muslim Oghuz Turks. And Karaman People descend from Peçenek Turks..Also Kıpçak Turks came to Anatolia (North Anatolia) from caucasus a long time ago than Oghuz Turks. (Kuman Kıpchak Turks)
Nothing is true in your explanation. You turkish ortodox were asimilated by greeks
Senin söylediklerin doğru olsaydı şu an Türkçe konuşurdun yunancayi bilmezdin
Harika ya ve de derimk yasasin halklari kardesligi
thank you.
kalimera / merhaba
aman adanali, canim adanali
Barış içinde bir dünya için yaşasın
💛❤Sevgi Hoşgörü 🌿🍀⚘🙋♂️
perfect HELLADA mou-best culturi evropi respect frm germany
opa selamis from turkiya ! from adramitis !
GEIA SAS MERAKLIDES . BRAVO
MERAKLI....Turkısh word
aman adanli canim adanali ben sana yandim güzel delikanli ... yaa arkadaslar artik sagip cikalim bizim olan herseye !! insanlar herseyimi aliyo .. böyle olmaz ama !! alla alla..
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Hey, nationalist Greeks/Turkish!!
BACK TO YOUR CAVES!
Here we enjoy the common tradition and the fantastic music.
heye gardaşıma heyeeeee=)
Şahane!
Muhteşem
Αδανα Κιλικιας μικρασιας υπεροχο τραγουδι υπεροχη ερμηνεια
Beautiful
Opaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
This is the key point.
O kaval calan kiz varya vay be ona türk & yünan dostlugunu cani gönülden öyle bi gösterirdimki ALLAHIMA seve seve türk olurdu :-)
Helal olsun size.
@okeAnous There would be Galatian and pre-Greek (Hittite, Frygean, Pelasgian, etc.) elements in their genetic and cultural make-up also. And it is known that there were a lot of paid Turkish (Seljuk) soldiers who worked later for the Byzantine as well as Byzantine nobles who sought "asylum" from Seljuk lords against the crown etc. Dont forget this was the middle ages ruled by feodalism of some sort. Popular histories are not so enlightening in this matter.
can someone tell me what dance this is? I love it!
güzel okumus...efcharistu
teyy teyyy :D
Adanaliyik ;-) lass doch jeden selbst entscheiden was er singen möchte und in welcher sprache
There was orthodox Albanians (namely Arvanites) as many as muslim ones before and almost all of them has been hellenized
Russians,Ukrainians and other neighboring slavs was never members of Istanbul church.They were adherent to Russian orthodox church.Bulgarians was part of Istanbul church before,so they were Greek/Rum by religion too but they formed their own church in 1870s and started to perform liturgy in their own slavic tongue instead of Greek but some of them in Macedonia hellenized too
turks & greeks have got same culture.they are brothers...
lovely Grec Ελληνική !!!!!
By the way, there are also many Arabic influences in this music. :-)
It's good to see these traditions being kept.
FreeAnalyst It's getting boring maybe, but yes, full agreement. :-)
Black Rose stop trying to make everything arab whic “arabic” music you are talking about? If you mean syria (cause the adana city is near of them which is topic city of the song) etc. They are not even arab they are arabized by name and language all of their cultural practice is byzantine folk if they use that kind of music it doesn’t make this music arabic. The original arabs in the gulf area and there is nothing desert sound in this music. This music is just copied of byzantine music.
They were Greek by religion because they were orthodox and members of Greek orthodox church. They were not Greek by ethnicity.
They weren't alone in this either. There was Albanian, Vlach and Macedonian Slavic speaking people in there but they were Greek by religion again.
μαγεια...
+mmsg1951 οι θεατες συντονιστηκαν με τους ηθοποιους...σπανιο φαινομενο...κι ομως...τους αγγιξαν...
+voula papadopoulou ''τελεια παρασταση...''
Για όποιον δεν γνωρίζει, λέγεται Μαρία Σουλτάτου.
Anlamam bu iki milletin bir birine hincini ayni muzikle ayni danslarla egleniyoruz
"Adanalıyığğ Allahın Adamıyığğ
Adanaya laf yok
Bütün adanalılara selamlar
Adanalı ibrahim Beyazkus
BEPALL 01"
is this record from 1920's izmir? how did you colourized it so wonderfuly. :))
bu ne güzelliktir!
is this song originally turkish or ottoman?
also, is thria an orchestra of some sort?
@mail2onur
You have mention about '' the turkopoule '' ..well yoiu have to know that the tourkopole the children of mixed Greek and Turkish parentage and were at least nominally Christian, although some may have been practising Muslims and they were from the reconquered by the byzantines , parts of Asia Minor and Syria but not from Cappadocia.. this could have been Impossible! you see the region of the people you are talking about (Cappadocia ) was lost from the byzantines at 1071 A.D. and it was never reconquered , unlike other parts of the East .And before 11th century there were no turks in the eastern provinces , when did the byzantines christianized the turks of Cappadocia when they have lost the specific province?? And from the example of the spanish ''maranos'' I don't think that those turks converted to christianity would preserve their christian faith under the islamic state of the seljuk emirates and the ottoman empire. And anyway those people (Cappadocians) chose the millet of which they would like to be part of long long ago ;)
Ottoman Empire was not a simple religion state...Religion was a method to manage for them...They used all religions to cooperate.... Maybe Ottoman empire was the first secular state in the world…They respected all religions and they did manage all religions, they did cooparete with them. They lived together with all religions..Religion, İslam was a line for them…they were hard…Empire…Even today I can see that Anatolia doesnt have just one nation....Each city is a special state....a lot of, several,diffrent cultures....races people….very rich lands….fertile, prosperous, strong, noble…The World had ‘nation states’ after in 1922…There was no Ottonom Empire…and we had a big war with you and others to be independent…Cappadokia is a great place…İ like there, magical…Your origin is there, here..Come, visit there, enjoy it…We cant change the past…Dont worry…Dont stay the past…all things are about our ancestors…I can see this song how it is great…This song is touching on my heart…
σαγηνευτικο...
@111Sakis Ölme e mi? Sen de tutup Sakis demişsin kendine. Yoksa Saki denen feylesofdan haberdarsın deme, bayılıveririm. "eksikTİ" diye yazılıyor bu arada.
Μία ερωτηση. Ο χορός ειναι της περιοχής Αντανα?????
Νομίζω πως Αντανάλης είναι αυτός που είναι από την περιοχή Άντανα ή Άδανα..
anyone have the lyrics?
adanalıyık
Lyrics?
@MAXIMILIANVS
Cappadocians and Karamanlides was just Turkish christians, baptized by Byzantines between 10-13th century. This is very well known fact from 12-13th century Byzantine archives. They were calling them as Tourkopuoloi. They couldn't even speak one word of Greek when they gone to Greece in 1923 and their population was around ~400.000 at that time.
Greek speaking Cappadocians was low in population comparing to these Turkish christians and they have completely disappeared among them
@MAXIMILIANVS I think you stick to what Khidiroglou had to say about the roots of Karamanlides.. He claimed that the Ottoman Turks had forced the originally Greek speaking people of the area so they started to speak Turkish sheepishly at once. Why would they bother to force them to do this, while letting them have their christian ways? If the reason is much more practical, let's say, to have a common language of communication for trade, why do they need to write even clerical texts in Turkish?
Dinldikce bayan katina geliyor aklıma
Bu sorudaki ironiyi anlamayarak gülünecek esas mesajı yazan sensin onur. bir de açıklama yapmışsın ya 2007'den diye :)
what you say
Turks and Greeks like baklava and sherbet.
bizim adanali türküsünü de calmislar.. bi bu eksikdi..
First of all.. Russians, Ukrainian and Slavs are nothing like Greek/Rum. Religion is not ethnicity.. Ethnology is a science completely irrelevant to religion.
Finally did it occur to you that there were people in these areas before the genesis of Islam in the 6th century, and as Ottoman empire was created.. people were either forced or given incentives to convert..? :) :)
Anyway.. seems to be an endless and pointless discussion.
Get over the past, live the present and dream of the future!
Sounds Turkish
@MAXIMILIANVS The point is how do you know so surely that they are of Greek origin? What is the irrefutable evidence that forces you to say that they were Greek and nothing more (or for you I guess it means LESS). This pure bred theory is so modernist and ethnocentric that you see no other way (like those who claim they were only and only Turkish paid soldiers who converted to Christianity) It was probably a mixture of these elements. And even more, knowing that the are was under Galation rule.
@MAXIMILIANVS
You judge ottoman era with the nationalist mindset. Nationalist ideas rised in these lands only after 1820s, b4 that, being greek or turk wasnt even considered as important distinction.
Also you greeks think all Turks are muslims. Its wrong. There was and still there are quite high population of askenhazi jewish Turks( since 7th century, Khazar turks) and orthodox turks(since 11th century)
Remaining Turkish people who had shamanistic beliefs became muslims after 10th century.
well apart from Vlach people (who also lived in Ottoman Greece areas too) all the rest never belonged to the Greek Orthodox Church.. :D :D Albanians in fact are in majority Muslims :)
If Greek by religion existed then Russians, Romanians, Ukranians, Bulgarians, Slavs, etc are also "Greeks by religion" :D :D :D
Greeks moved to Kappadokia in the 3rd century BC - after Alexander's expedition to Asia. So Turkish, baptised by Byzantines after they lost control of the area.. makes no sense. Sorry :)
alakası yok=)