Also, it's partly an experiment in how prisoners behave out of their cells, but it's mostly an experiment in how prisoners behave in front of a large audience
@nickoh5111Oh shit I didn't even think of that. Not a show worth watching, and they go back to normal, make it a show worth watching, it'd probably getting canceled due to violence
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@@Ki11Th3mA11KidWell putting a violent criminal in an environment that is going to make them more violent, certainly isn't going to fix the violence, now is it.
I actually watched it in full. It’s probably not the most representative of reality because they know they’re being filmed but I still really enjoyed it. A lot of them were actually likeable. Like Randy was my favorite personally.
You are right. Observing people's behavior and who knows they're being watched can affect the experiment outcome. It's always best to observe them without them knowing.
Newsflash, those who are in a cell for 23 hours a day are in the supermax section of the prison. The reason they are there is not based on the crime they committed but on their behavior. If an inmate has a history of being violent with other inmates or staff or who have difficulty following the rules in a lower-security prison they are placed in supermax. So no, supermax did not make them that way. Their being violent is why they are in supermax.
@@datboi8417 Why do you not you give these poor souls a chance and invite them to your home or give them a job when they are out. No social awareness. They were not put there, they earned their right for getting in a place like this by repeating their wrong decisions over and over again. I would assume their intelligence is lower and aggressiveness higher because of the punches they throw at each others head every week or month. This is not a documentary because cellmates are informed of the recording which they have to give permission for being used on air. Therefore their behaviour is probably gonna change because of their awareness that they know that they are being watched. If you watch Netflix documentaries do not act like you are watching real research and real human reactions.
@@piligay6969 Why is that relevant? If you have inmates who have a history of violence with other inmates or officers, then letting them roam freely with other inmates who ALSO have a history of violence with other inmates or officers is like putting two rabid dogs in the same kennel and hoping they get along.
My brother is in prison. He got swithched to one that has a lot more freedoms. They are trusted a lot more. They host family events at the prison with music and bbq and stuff. And those prisoners are so different than the ones in the other prisons he was in. They are happy. They all are friends. Like tons of them come up and say hi to us every time we visit him. Its nice. It makes visiting him nicer. I worry so much less about him there. I dont have worry about him nearly dying of a stabbing again. And they are actually being giving the tools that will allow them to integrate back into society because they are being treated like people and not animals. I wish they were all like that. You are giving up your freedom not your humanity. To take away someones humanity and torture them and then expect them ti behave like a human with dignity after you stripped it all away makes zero sense.
@@_Coffee4Closers never said that but assuming his brother is a POS is very immature and illogical throwing insults just shows me you have no real point you're just talking to talk
@@TylerSkaggs-rj7cq LOL, so what do you think this "wonderful guy" is in prison for? Maybe robbing innocent people, breaking into their homes? Beating someone, taking their money, rape, murder, car jacking... what thing do you think he did to be locked up in a cell? Well forgive me for thinking that people that victimize other are POS... you can be naive if you want.
exactly. the punishment they immediately go to when youre bad in prison is solitary confinement. locked in a tiny room by yourself with nothing but a toilet and a bed and maybe a book or 2 if youre in a better prison. they can put people in solitary confinement for 2 weeks and in some places 3 weeks. they used to put them in for months and some permenantly but people literally were going insane. its one of the cruelest things we can do as a species. isolation is the worst form of psychological torture in history. and we still commonly use it today as a punishment imagine sitting in a room alone for 2 weeks the only person you can talk to is the guard that gives you food 2 times a day and the only thing you can do is sit there and think. and during covid they locked down nearly everyone in prisons for multiple days with almost 0 contact to eachother. solitary confinement was started in america so that a religious group could inspire "repentance" in the people they isolate from everyone else. and to give a punishment equal to public punishments they did back in 1800s. and some protected individuals at risk of being harmed like LGBT people said they would rather risk being harmed in general prison than be put in solitary for protective custody.
If prision was for rehabilitation, repeated offenders wouldn't be the norm. It's not for keeping threats out of society either, otherwise criminals wouldn't be released.
You realize that where this show takes place is at a minimum-security prison correct? In fact, the place where inmates would be in their cells for 23 hours a day in prison is in the supermax section of the facility. Supermax is intended for inmates who have a history of violence to other inmates and staff OR who have issues following the rules in a lower-security prison. That was why this show was so problematic as you took a group of inmates, some of whom have a history of violence to other inmates, and you let them all roam around together with no guards.
I used to believe it was only for the worst of the worst until my pastor ended up in one because he refused to stop preaching. And then I realized what you know. It's for people the government want to "forget" about.
@@Smart-Towel-RG-400 correct, which is why MOST are not in the supermax section. Those in that section are inmates who have historically been violent with other inmates and officers or do not follow the rules. So would you prefer if they let these individuals roam with other inmates?
If you're talking about the Stanford experiment, then you might have been misinformed. That experiment was tampered with from the get-go. The people involved were given certain items that others were not given and also told they had more power over certain people in the prison. A true experiment would be longer than two weeks as well
Lmao I was going to say didn't we do this experiment already 😂 also the whole reason these prisoners are in maximum security is BECAUSE they couldn't be trusted with freedom and couldn't be trusted to be adults and can't/won't use conflict management skills. 😂 Like that is exactly why they are in there to begin with!
My mom’s an endocrinologist and she occasionally does some work with prisons. She seen a lot of inadequacies and wanted to experiment with new treatments plans for prisoners but found that it’s near impossible because the people who run prisons don’t really want research to be done to improve prison environments.
@@djmarsupiaI so prisoners don't deserve adequate medical and psychological care? Isn't the goal rehabilitation? How can we introduce these people back into society when they have been only further mentally and physically distressed?
US prisons are almost entirely private owned. Prisoners within that system are free labor and government paychecks. We like to say “rehabilitation” because it sounds pretty but prison isn’t rehabilitation at all. A lot of times is criminal school as inmates have nothing but time to sit around and study the laws the intend to break
@@shaunuchiha4502 Small correction. Only about 10% of US prisons are privately owned. The rest are publicly owned. However, prisoners in public prisoners are still routinely required to work for free or almost free making products to supply to large private companies. Among migrant detention centers, about 75% are privately owned.
If lawmakers cared about making prisons safer - and they should care - then they'd study how Norway runs their prisons. They almost never have any incidents, and their COs are unarmed. Because their system is humane. The most important statistic: Norway consistently has one of the lowest repeat offender rates in the world, year after year.
It’s true in other settings. I worked in many different schools and the ones with stricter free time e.g. confined to certain areas, different groups go out at different times lead to far greater problems when out in the community
Yeah when a new principal was sent to my old high school, he changed a lot of things. 45% of teachers quit that year, all new administration, and he didn't understand anything about the culture. He micromanaged the students and teachers. Tried to get us to only walk in certain directions in certain hallways and closed off staircases among other things. Violence in school increased, drug use, vandalism, and he responded in kind with even more restriction. Like locking the bathrooms shut except for during the 25 minute lunch. Very smart 🙄 Three years after being under his "rule" the school shut down and got repurposed a year after that. Who would've thought. I bet that whole situation was planned
@@strana6875IT LITERALLY IS PLANNED. My parents worked for school systems as teachers and they hire ruthless sociopaths to fire all the older teachers (they cost more money) as well as being the scapegoat for the bad decisions the county makes.
Randy is a good guy he’s originally from Colorado I was in jail with him for a short period of time over a swap tag situation. I just so happen to be pregnant when I was in there and he was what they called a trustee he told me not to get down because it wasn’t good for the baby and brought me extra snacks to make sure that I was well fed. Curious to see how the season plays out just started . I really hope that he kept the same mindset because he was such a sweetheart. He kept me going and even gave me updates on when I was going to court by communicating with the CEO for me when I not.
I understand the criticism of voyerism and taking advantage of people. But if the show is gaining a lot of attention and the experiment is having a positive effect on the inmates, then the show could have a positive impact on how the general public views prisoners and the conditions they live in. Yes some of them have done horrific things and thats why they are there. They shouldn't be able to live in luxury but they do deserve basic human rights which is something many people get very upset about them having. Even though these guys are in max security, the impact of a more favorable public outlook on inmates in general could help a lot of people with less serious crimes get acess to better rehabilitation recources, more job opportunities outside the system, better healthcare, and a better or any wage for jobs worked in prison. Edit: I looked it up and the prisoners were allowed to pick if they participated or not as they were moved to another wing and could leave at any time. They were given things like extra commissary money, an expanded selection of commisary items, free phone calls, and extra visitation.
I can agrée to the vast majority of this. It’s one of those dilemmas where something is kind of unethical but could be highly beneficial. When we look to history some of the most beneficial experiments to society were highly unethical. Many advancements wouldn’t have happened if ethical standards were present at the time. This isn’t me saying I agree with unethical science, just acknowledging the benefit it has had for society. And of course the absolute detriment it caused to many peoples sanity or lives by taking them.
yeah but literally one of the first codes of ethics in research is about not exploiting prisoners specifically lmao. like, this is precisely the situation that’s typically avoided at all costs bc of the history of horrendous experiments on prisoners. just bc this specific result wasn’t inherently harmful doesn’t mean they arent still violating one of the base level standards for conducting research.
@@pillowvibescorrect I feel like this is unambiguously unethical and wrong. Could it literally save lives? Sure, whatever. But you're saving lives through acting corruptly. That's Daredevil vigilante shit. In real life.
@@beatyz2 that in itself is morally contentious though. It's an interesting dynamic between what's established and going again that for the "greater good" for want of a better term. I think an important question to ask is why the precedent was set in the first place. It's easy to see why when you look at things lot the Stanford prison experiment, which we can all unanimously agree was not worth the mediocre progress to research in the field when comparing the damage done to participants, but with this show, the only real unethical thing I see is that it's being paraded around on Netflix. But if you asked the prisoners if they would rather be in their current situation Vs only being allowed out for 1 hour a day, I'm sure they would all prefer this arrangement. As for the issue of using prisoners for research purposes, my general understanding was that the precedent is against using them as labrats for general studies, but since this study is looking at improving prison life specifically, I don't see an issue in that regard. We need to bite the bullet at some point if we want some concrete data to work with. (because lord knows the US will never adopt a similar system to the Scandanavians). The first step to improving quality of life is generally to first determine what things affect it the most through studies based on previous research
@@pillowvibesi agree with this in principle, but it’s not like a bunch of psychologists are doing studies on these prisoners to collect data…or at least that’s not what’s presented in this video. it seems like the new prison warden is trying something new, not to write a paper on it, but to just treat these humans like humans. i think the only unethical part here is the cameras; HOWEVER, if those cameras mean other authorities in this prison system are more willing to fully try out a new system and not shut it all down at the first hint of a potential issue, since they will be held accountable for not giving it an actual try, i think it’s a lot more morally grey than just “experiment and documentary bad”.
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I was on a social experiment show where they threw me into a remote island in Fiji (I was the youngest at 18)-- I was on MTV in 2015 and it was the start of social experiments being filmed (or the biggest spike/start). Interesting to see how it evolved on Netflix the concept of filming people life’s in an experiment. Stranded with a million dollars was mine
Dude you have an IMDB page. You could make a RUclips video talking about your experience and your take on this issue, because I certainly want to know how it affected you
Who said they aren't but they surely didn't think about their victums, I'm pretty sure they are in a maximum security for a reason goofy , anyways it's hard to believe this is real while there are camera crew walking and filming the place that's not an experiment but a reality shows 😂😂
@@UserHandle454 Experiments need to be documented. Of course it's not the best scientific documentation, since it needs to be an interesting show, but pretending that the presence of cameras makes it not a scientific experiment is kind stupid.
@@deusexmachina5769 🤦 it's not the cameras that break the experiment, it's the fact it's not candid. Reactions and actions are influenced d when they're aware they're being recorded.
@@deusexmachina5769 You think the camera crew inside the cells are just there alone? I bet they have a goon squad of COs around whenever they're filming... Just kept off camera.
Why tf are we treating prisoners as entertainment Edit: comparing them to gladiators isn't the W argument you think it is. Neither is saying "they're criminals they shouldn't have rights". Prisoners are humans and treating them as less than human accomplishes nothing. It certainly doesn't make them better people when they're released.
Entertainment is just keeping something interesting. We have always had taboo and f*’d up topics as entertainment. Its called “Documentary.” Plus this is an important topic and should be seen more of.
So you are proposing that the dudes that get out of prison and immediately rape and murder again (happens often but even more often these days in places like California where you are let off free for these crimes) wouldn't have done so if they were allowed to roam free in prison? Are you stupid?
I think a lot of people forget why we have prisons, it's not to lock up evil people forever it's the rehabilitate people who's lives have been fucked and hopefully get them on the right path
Yeah but that takes money and political will. So for now prisons will just be a money squeeme to funnel money from taxes into the pockets of prison owners. Still better than nothing, but it’s not helping society be safe as much as it should.
The prisons were have now *are* meant to lock up evil people forever, but the amount of truly evil people we have actually managed to contain is not that many. and the rest who are capable of change if rehabilitated, either rot and hurt the people around them or get released and hurt the people around them. Of course a scant few change without direct rehab as well
That's crazy it's almost like if you treat someone like an animal lock them up the entire day they're going to act like one but give them freedom and they'll act like a human being
Prisons are supposed to be for rehabilitation, not for serving mindless punishments and driving these people even more insane, the jail system makes money and they WANT AND NEED people to be there so they intentionally wire these people to recommit crimes.
No prison is for punishment. Punishment is a key part of justice. "Justice is the ethical, philosophical idea that people are to be treated impartially, fairly, properly, and reasonably by the law and by arbiters of the law, that laws are to ensure that no harm befalls another, and that, where harm is alleged, a remedial action is taken."
This might be the new face of scientific studies. We are all really bad a funding scientists work so making a study into a show will make it so money can be gained form it. Is it morally questionable yes but maybe it’s better than nothing
I would argue that introducing a camera and making prisoners into reality tv show actors would skew your data and results. While I agree about giving prisoners more humane conditions, any data from this experiment would be useless imo.
I watched this and it’s important to point out that this is jail and not prison but it was really good because these men proved they are capable of having the cells unlocked but it definitely took some time and some stupid decisions were made but you can see the impact of the experiment especially in one of the inmates that almost fucked it up for everyone and ended up taking responsibility in the end
They are being treated like adults. Adult men in a MAXIMUM security prison. They aren't petty thrives. *MAXIMUM* security is where they are because of the adult decisions they decide to make.
TBF this show took place in a minimum security prison. But minimum security prisons will have a supermax section of the facility. This section is intended for inmates with a history of violence to other inmates, officers, or who have an issue following the rules in a lower-security prison. Essentially, they were treated like adults and they abused any freedom they had left.
Absolutely loved it! 10/10 recommend. Really enjoyed seeing how their minds worked & their situations and also it was really interesting seeing old generations and newer generations trying to find middle ground. It has the potential to be such a good Socratic seminar based on literature around the jail experience, like Walter Dean Myer’s “Monster” and James Baldwin’s “If Beale Street Could Talk” It makes me wish I was still in school lol.
I think it’s a good experiment, because if you can get them to get along and start acting like a normal mature adults that is just going to be better for everyone.
The problem is that this exact experiment was done in 1971 at Stanford university. It’s doesn’t seem to be conducted any differently than what those college students were put through
@@NuggieIsMissingno? This is a completely different experiment. The Stanford experiment was intended to test whether police officers would succumb to the corruption of their inherently powerful job and mistreat the prisoners, which they did end up doing. This is to test how prisoners would react when there are minimal to no police officers around. If anything they are the complete opposite experiments. Just because they have similar names does not make them the same experiment.
My dad is in federal prison. I can’t imagine if they were doing this shit to him and he randomly gets hurt all because of a fucking Netflix show. Maybe they should just focused their time on rehabilitating prisoners, and building better prison and getting better resources for them…
@@JTM56I think you have missed the point. People make mistakes in life(Occasionally the justice system fails and people get locked up for doing good things, albeit rarely) And if you lock people up with a system that doesn't allow them room to change their behavior learn For instance, because prisoners aren't being treated humanely. Everyone loses out from the prisoner because they're not being treated well along side the general society because prisoners aren't being beneficial to that society if they're not being rehabilitated into someone that is producing value in the world. And, Said Prisons, that are not benefiting anyone, are incredibly expensive and paid for by the taxpayer. There is some value in keeping dangerous people off the streets. But not all prisoners are dangerous and there's much more value in helping those people become no longer a threat to people or society.
@@JTM56you don't pick your parents. We don't even know the reason they are in prison. Be a bit more kind in future. If you have nothing good to say, it's better not to say it. Words hurt.
They are in prison for a reason.... you have to remember that. Just cuz they aren't currently doing some heinous thing to someone... doesn't mean they aren't wanting to still.
@@danishdragon8107 ima keep letting people know, american prisons are legally slavery. so they're sorta right, the american prison system is ecplicitly designed to keep prisoners, who serve as essentially free labour, in jail where they can be exploited.
Yeah I get that. I’m of the mind this is a net positive just because the prison system as it is doesn’t prepare inmates for life outside of prison which means more redicidvism, more victims and more hurt families. Some of the people in the documentary did some horrible shit but that’s not a universal truth, one of the people in the doc is facing life sentences for an armed robbery where nobody died and he’s like 19 which for me is a dumb mistake kids can make if they’re in a bad enough situation and the only reason he’s facing life is the district was charging him individually on every single possible infraction at a maximum sentence
Most prisoners are out on a block all day. They took a facility where the inmates did not need to be locked down 23/1 but were anyway, and basically just made it a normal jail. Also, solitary confinement is never part of anyone's sentence in court.
Prison is confinement, you’re locked down and away from society. Prison is already the punishment and there should be more ways to rehabilitate within the system then more ways to keep the system running but “let’s put cameras all through the place and see how they react”…
I get that our prison system is screwed up but when ever I hear people lamenting over criminal’s rights, I just wish people cared as much and advocated as much for victim’s rights.
When it comes to prisoners I care the most about all the people in prison who have been waiting for a trial for YEARS cause they can’t afford bail and courts are backed up. It’s not right.
@@bobonbobcrime Covid 19 impacted our courts tremendously. There have been delays, yes, but that has been on a global scale. “A violation of the speedy trial rule means that any conviction and sentence must be wiped out, and the charges must be dismissed if the case has not reached trial. The federal Speedy Trial Act provides some instruction for federal cases. For example, it requires formal charges to be brought within 30 days of an arrest.” Now if you waive that right, so your side can gather evidence, then you’ve waived the right to demand a speedy trial.
as much as that is important, american prisoners are litterally, legally slaves. this isnt just "horrible treatment", its open and accepted slavery on a mass scale. prisoners are treated poorly because prisons *want their free labour back*
@@rose1742 this was happening well before Covid at Rikers and other high volume prisons in the states. My dad was in prison for almost thirty years for a crime he didn’t commit, trying to get the courts to test his dna everytime he was up for parole. They denied it every time. He died in prison of colon cancer from the slop they were feeding him and right after he passed away a judge dismissed his charges. They had tested the dna years earlier and it was just sitting on a shelf. They just wanted him for the FREE LABOR. I grew up without a dad so he could make Dove soap for middle aged white women.
Looking at this comment section, it also seems like it's a big deal because people see this bar-level amount of decency given to the prisoners as something far more than they think the prisoners deserve
@@The_king567 Statistically you are not. If you want the lowest rate of re-offending, treating prisoners with basic levels of respect leads to the best outcomes. Facts over feelings.
@@Omar--_yeah they are violent people but we need to allow them to mix and only allowing them a maximum of 1hour a day will just make people more unwell so it's a pretty interesting experiment
They do, and they punish anyone that makes them lose any of the freedoms the warden gave them. If I remember correctly, they made the guards take the guy that lost the phone privileges out of the pod by saying if he didn't get moved, they would hurt him bad.
Maybe with greater visibility for how torturous conditions just causes violent traumatized prisoners who commit crimes once they are let out, and how rehabilitation is the best choice for people who don’t like violent crime this show will do some good.
People aren't going to be free from consequences just because they're being treated like humans while in prison. Recidivism goes down with inmates are treated like people instead of animals and are given access to basic necessities (including healthcare), exercise, education, socialization, spiritual support (for those who want that), mentors, addiction counseling, general counseling. You know, all the things that help people in general? Because they ARE people
Really good documentary! I was not expecting thar outcome. I hope we get another season because the warden was a really cool guy and the prisoners were mostly good people who made mistakes in life. I really likes some of the prisoners and would like to learn more about them
No, this is not the same as it and is nowhere comparable to it. I hope the people who liked my comment thinking that I agreed with them that this is a bad idea comparable to the stanford prison experiment have a very unpleasant time with the legal system.
This creates a weird dilemma where it’s like “do I really wanna watch these people be played with and treated like animals?” Vs “well they are in high security so they are most likely the worst of the worst criminals so who cares” vs “but I don’t know what these people did or what was done to them to end up here. They are still human at the end of the day” idk.
@@joey4725 slaves didn't do anything to deserve lesser treatment, though. They were also whipped, beaten, and forced to work without pay, given little food, and rarely ever medical treatment. Your comparison is faulty.
of course giving them MORE time would work better! if all you’re looking forward to is 1 hour a day, you’re gonna be restless. and everyone else is too. lots of high emotions
It probably also lowers the risk of acting out and developing negative relationships with other inmates. You're only around these folks for an hour a day, why would you care about maintaining any level of peace? But if you're actually stuck with them for the whole day? Now you have reason to make peace with everyone, cause if you don't well then every day is gonna get a lot worse for everyone involved.
@@rockthejohnson In the United States, 1/20 criminal cases result in wrongful conviction. Whether you’ve committed a crime or not, you’re still a human being. Solitary confinement is torture.
It's a maximum security jail. Meaning they are being held for either committing a VERY serious (ei. violent) crime or while being held for their court date were violent to jail staff. They are there due to their actions.
I mean it just goes to show that our prison systems really don’t care about its inhabitants. It’s ridiculous that they just expected them to work it out and be holding hands singing Kumbayas without giving ANY type of mental or psychological treatment whatsoever. They practically set them up to fail
@@rockthejohnson ahh yes no wonder the US has the highest number of incarceration rates in the world. If we actually took rehabilitation seriously the numbers would go down
A show with minimal information tells you ALL of that huh? Do you even know why these inmates were in their cells for 23 hours a day? Do you even know what type of prison this was filmed at OR what section of that prison would have a 23-hour lockdown and why? Because if you answer just those questions it starts making sense why those individuals would be in a cell for 23 hours a day.
In places where they treat people like people in prison, crime is way lower in the first place and not committed for nearly the same reasons as it is in the US. Organized crime is a lot bigger of an issue in the drug capital of the world than Norway (A stellar example of the systems you're referring to). And also, Norway's prison system costs more per prisoner than the average income of an American. So no way in hell is that coming to the US in any case. Another contributing factor to "reoffense rates" is that many of the people who get arrested don't actually even go to prison, they're just released by corrupt DAs on bail and just do the exact same thing, skewing statistics.
Well the thing is freedom is the least of the solutions. It’s giving incentives, protecting people, competent and empathic security, all health needs met and so on
As a teacher, the head mistress used to punish my Year 1 class for not sitting still *enough* in assembly by cancelling their morning play outside. Made my class totally unmanageable until Lunch. Same reasoning.
@@jankoleon3785 If you treat people like animals they start to act like animals. It's self-perpetuating cycle. The goal of prisons should be to get folks acting like people again, not just abusing them so that they become worse out of some hollow sense of justice and retribution. At that point why even waste money on the prison, just put 'em on a remote island and tell 'em to fend for themselves.
It's almost like allowing people to satisfy their physical and social needs makes people physically and socially healthier... Stuff like this honestly just shows that the prison system needs a complete overhaul. Rehabilitation and harm prevention should be valued more than sadistic punishment.
@@The_king567 Funny. But an old joke. Luckily objective matters show that the country in question is below many developing countries. In case u didnt joke.
Sounds like a fallout vault experiment
I said the same shit in my head 😂
Vault-tech employee: Yo what if we have 1 male and 99 female?
Boss: well slap me silly! Add em
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😂😂😂
And now we're understanding the commentary on the vaults existence: prisons!
Also, it's partly an experiment in how prisoners behave out of their cells, but it's mostly an experiment in how prisoners behave in front of a large audience
I don’t know if it’s a good or bad thing if they convert all maximum security, or just all, prisons into a livestream show
Do they know they are filmed? I don’t think that they do
@nickoh5111Oh shit I didn't even think of that.
Not a show worth watching, and they go back to normal, make it a show worth watching, it'd probably getting canceled due to violence
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@@moriahlynWell it looked like there was a guy literally giving an interview to the camera so Im pretty sure they know.
Any experiment that involves camera crews milling around that close proximity to the subjects is bogus
Cameramen are the strongest😊
If thats the case, camera crews should be a staple of every prison.
😂
they know that theyre pretty much dead if they touch the cameraman
You guys are the experiment. 🤦
i heard “prison experiment reality show” and my first thought was “damn Stanford Prison Experiment is getting a reboot”
It's a scripted show
I heard the phrase "prison experiment" and my first thought was "DID WE LEARN NOTHING?"
The comment I was looking for , as soon as I heard that I was like "wait, didn't we already do that??"
Right?! The Stanford Prison Experiment - did we really, really learn nothing?!?
😂 For real, I thought it was Zimbardo 2.0
Context pls i dont know bout this
Where’s Zimbardo man! 😅
I heard prison experiment, immediate panic as Stanford comes to mind
Same! Glad I’m not the only one
Same!!! Panic hasn’t been alleviated either
The Stanford experiment was debunked because the guards were instructed to behave violently. Humans aren't inclined to violence.
@@PlayingwithproxiesThe Stanford experiment was debunked because the guards were instructed to behave violently. Humans aren't inclined to violence.
@@alexneedham6965The Stanford experiment was debunked because the guards were instructed to behave violently. Humans aren't inclined to violence.
The show isn’t about a prison it’s a JAIL. that’s important to mention because the two are very different environments.
Then it’s even more ridiculous to be locked down 23 and 1.
Maximum Federal Prisons are actually insane
She has no clue what she is talking about. Trying to rile up some tik tok fans for clout
Same thing bbfrfo
@@Diannabelitskayno it's not you AI generated commenter
If anything it’s a public display of how the more you restrict someone’s humanity the less they act like a human.
Yeah I don't know, I saw Bukeles prison and that seemed just fine. Of course that prison is for murdurers of the worst kind yet no fights
In dutch we have a saying going: a cat driven in a corner makes wierd jumps. And when the cat is away from home the mice dance on the table.
you lock people in rooms for 23 hours a day and then to no ones surprise... they're violent.
Right?
It’s the system. They want them to be violent so they get longer time. Private prisons make millions off keeping the prisons full.
Well the reason they got there to begin with was the were violent in real life lol
@@Ki11Th3mA11Kid Not all of them were in there on violent crimes. Some were there because of drug charges or they were awaiting sentencing
@@Ki11Th3mA11KidWell putting a violent criminal in an environment that is going to make them more violent, certainly isn't going to fix the violence, now is it.
I actually watched it in full. It’s probably not the most representative of reality because they know they’re being filmed but I still really enjoyed it. A lot of them were actually likeable. Like Randy was my favorite personally.
Who is randy
And Tiny! I was so happy for him at the end
@@Zoofyz brother of Earl
You are right. Observing people's behavior and who knows they're being watched can affect the experiment outcome. It's always best to observe them without them knowing.
@@pitterpattersonyesssss! I was crying when he had his first phone call with his son!
23 hours locked up in a cell and they wonder why these violence prone men weren't in their best mood.
Newsflash, those who are in a cell for 23 hours a day are in the supermax section of the prison. The reason they are there is not based on the crime they committed but on their behavior. If an inmate has a history of being violent with other inmates or staff or who have difficulty following the rules in a lower-security prison they are placed in supermax. So no, supermax did not make them that way. Their being violent is why they are in supermax.
You got the cart in front of the horse there bud.
@@datboi8417
Why do you not you give these poor souls a chance and invite them to your home or give them a job when they are out. No social awareness. They were not put there, they earned their right for getting in a place like this by repeating their wrong decisions over and over again. I would assume their intelligence is lower and aggressiveness higher because of the punches they throw at each others head every week or month. This is not a documentary because cellmates are informed of the recording which they have to give permission for being used on air. Therefore their behaviour is probably gonna change because of their awareness that they know that they are being watched. If you watch Netflix documentaries do not act like you are watching real research and real human reactions.
@@Browncoatfulbut wouldnt that make their mood worse?
@@piligay6969 Why is that relevant? If you have inmates who have a history of violence with other inmates or officers, then letting them roam freely with other inmates who ALSO have a history of violence with other inmates or officers is like putting two rabid dogs in the same kennel and hoping they get along.
Who tf let Zimbardo off his leash
My brother is in prison. He got swithched to one that has a lot more freedoms. They are trusted a lot more. They host family events at the prison with music and bbq and stuff. And those prisoners are so different than the ones in the other prisons he was in. They are happy. They all are friends. Like tons of them come up and say hi to us every time we visit him. Its nice. It makes visiting him nicer. I worry so much less about him there. I dont have worry about him nearly dying of a stabbing again. And they are actually being giving the tools that will allow them to integrate back into society because they are being treated like people and not animals. I wish they were all like that. You are giving up your freedom not your humanity. To take away someones humanity and torture them and then expect them ti behave like a human with dignity after you stripped it all away makes zero sense.
So in other words he will still not care to be a POS criminal once he gets out. Prison should not be fun.
@@_Coffee4Closerscalling someone a POS wow real mature of you I bet most cons are more mature than you'll ever be
@@TylerSkaggs-rj7cq Oh, so I guess he is "innocent" he din't do nuffin dit he?
@@_Coffee4Closers never said that but assuming his brother is a POS is very immature and illogical throwing insults just shows me you have no real point you're just talking to talk
@@TylerSkaggs-rj7cq LOL, so what do you think this "wonderful guy" is in prison for? Maybe robbing innocent people, breaking into their homes? Beating someone, taking their money, rape, murder, car jacking... what thing do you think he did to be locked up in a cell?
Well forgive me for thinking that people that victimize other are POS... you can be naive if you want.
"Some of you may die, but that is a risk I am willing to take"
Lord Farquad
I mean if they already have life in prison it makes no difference for them if they m*rder someone💀💀
that is a sacrifice I am willing to make*
People have no clue how industrialized the prison system is if they think they're for "rehabilitation"
exactly. the punishment they immediately go to when youre bad in prison is solitary confinement. locked in a tiny room by yourself with nothing but a toilet and a bed and maybe a book or 2 if youre in a better prison. they can put people in solitary confinement for 2 weeks and in some places 3 weeks. they used to put them in for months and some permenantly but people literally were going insane. its one of the cruelest things we can do as a species. isolation is the worst form of psychological torture in history. and we still commonly use it today as a punishment imagine sitting in a room alone for 2 weeks the only person you can talk to is the guard that gives you food 2 times a day and the only thing you can do is sit there and think. and during covid they locked down nearly everyone in prisons for multiple days with almost 0 contact to eachother. solitary confinement was started in america so that a religious group could inspire "repentance" in the people they isolate from everyone else. and to give a punishment equal to public punishments they did back in 1800s. and some protected individuals at risk of being harmed like LGBT people said they would rather risk being harmed in general prison than be put in solitary for protective custody.
Sheep need to wake up before something similar becomes their reality.
If prision was for rehabilitation, repeated offenders wouldn't be the norm. It's not for keeping threats out of society either, otherwise criminals wouldn't be released.
well that's what the us gets for making prisons privatized..... Everything for the holy dollar
Mostly a US problem
When there's no one to guide people, they form their own community to help each other. Natural behavior of humans I guess?
They're also incentivized to make it work because they could lose the privileges they'd been given.
Maximum security prisons aren’t for “the worst of the worst” they’re for whoever the government doesn’t want to deal with.
You realize that where this show takes place is at a minimum-security prison correct? In fact, the place where inmates would be in their cells for 23 hours a day in prison is in the supermax section of the facility. Supermax is intended for inmates who have a history of violence to other inmates and staff OR who have issues following the rules in a lower-security prison. That was why this show was so problematic as you took a group of inmates, some of whom have a history of violence to other inmates, and you let them all roam around together with no guards.
I used to believe it was only for the worst of the worst until my pastor ended up in one because he refused to stop preaching. And then I realized what you know. It's for people the government want to "forget" about.
so you're fine with insane killers and murderers being put in the same prisons as people who evade taxes or were caught stealing bread for example?
@@Browncoatful this is also a jail so most these people are either awaiting trial or are on under 2 year sentences
@@Smart-Towel-RG-400 correct, which is why MOST are not in the supermax section. Those in that section are inmates who have historically been violent with other inmates and officers or do not follow the rules. So would you prefer if they let these individuals roam with other inmates?
… we all know just how well prison experiments go-
If you're talking about the Stanford experiment, then you might have been misinformed. That experiment was tampered with from the get-go. The people involved were given certain items that others were not given and also told they had more power over certain people in the prison. A true experiment would be longer than two weeks as well
It actually worked for them and they’re still continuing the problem. It’s even expanded out into more cell blocks in the prison.
Zimbardo
Zimbardo's experiment was a failure; poorly designed and anecdotal at best.
Lmao I was going to say didn't we do this experiment already 😂 also the whole reason these prisoners are in maximum security is BECAUSE they couldn't be trusted with freedom and couldn't be trusted to be adults and can't/won't use conflict management skills. 😂 Like that is exactly why they are in there to begin with!
My mom’s an endocrinologist and she occasionally does some work with prisons. She seen a lot of inadequacies and wanted to experiment with new treatments plans for prisoners but found that it’s near impossible because the people who run prisons don’t really want research to be done to improve prison environments.
Yeah it’s prison
@@djmarsupiaI so prisoners don't deserve adequate medical and psychological care? Isn't the goal rehabilitation? How can we introduce these people back into society when they have been only further mentally and physically distressed?
US prisons are almost entirely private owned. Prisoners within that system are free labor and government paychecks. We like to say “rehabilitation” because it sounds pretty but prison isn’t rehabilitation at all. A lot of times is criminal school as inmates have nothing but time to sit around and study the laws the intend to break
@@shaunuchiha4502 Small correction. Only about 10% of US prisons are privately owned. The rest are publicly owned. However, prisoners in public prisoners are still routinely required to work for free or almost free making products to supply to large private companies.
Among migrant detention centers, about 75% are privately owned.
If lawmakers cared about making prisons safer - and they should care - then they'd study how Norway runs their prisons. They almost never have any incidents, and their COs are unarmed. Because their system is humane. The most important statistic: Norway consistently has one of the lowest repeat offender rates in the world, year after year.
Netflix making anything out of a T.V. show 💀
It’s true in other settings. I worked in many different schools and the ones with stricter free time e.g. confined to certain areas, different groups go out at different times lead to far greater problems when out in the community
Yeah when a new principal was sent to my old high school, he changed a lot of things. 45% of teachers quit that year, all new administration, and he didn't understand anything about the culture. He micromanaged the students and teachers. Tried to get us to only walk in certain directions in certain hallways and closed off staircases among other things. Violence in school increased, drug use, vandalism, and he responded in kind with even more restriction. Like locking the bathrooms shut except for during the 25 minute lunch. Very smart 🙄
Three years after being under his "rule" the school shut down and got repurposed a year after that. Who would've thought. I bet that whole situation was planned
@@strana6875IT LITERALLY IS PLANNED. My parents worked for school systems as teachers and they hire ruthless sociopaths to fire all the older teachers (they cost more money) as well as being the scapegoat for the bad decisions the county makes.
I live here and I want this show to stop
Yeah. Schools run like prisons are a stupid idea. Prisons are the only place that should be run like prisons lol.
I’m just
The camera man never dies
😂
the camera man has plot armour :D
Cameraman's cool, says the prisoners
I honestly think this show is fake. There is no way this would be legal, by any means. If this is real, this is asking for a mass prison break.
@@ImN0tR3aIthey're allowed out of their cells. I'll bet 5 bucks they still got guard towers and people watching the cameras full time
Randy is a good guy he’s originally from Colorado I was in jail with him for a short period of time over a swap tag situation. I just so happen to be pregnant when I was in there and he was what they called a trustee he told me not to get down because it wasn’t good for the baby and brought me extra snacks to make sure that I was well fed. Curious to see how the season plays out just started . I really hope that he kept the same mindset because he was such a sweetheart. He kept me going and even gave me updates on when I was going to court by communicating with the CEO for me when I not.
Randy is actually so cool
Is this a “True story” get it?
My friend and I love Randy!!!!!!
What’s he in for?
@@dodgyyoutuber9560 drugs
A prison reality experiment show? YOU MEAN PUBLIC SCHOOL?!
Of course it's Arkansas, our police arent there when you need them and are when theres no need for them. And then they do this
As someone who lives in Arkansas, this is very, very true, unfortunately. Makes me sad and upset every time I think about it
Facts
I honestly forgot arkansas existed
@@ezrathecool Fair. We don't do much other than own Tyson Chicken and Walmart over here
@@ezrathecoolnah let's call it Arkham
I swear jails/prisons need the most support and help with making things better in general
"jails/prisons" lol, you DO NOT know what you are talking about
@@xn9333prisons are called jails and gaols in different parts of the world stfu
@@xn9333 someone got offended 💀
@@peachybee5152 no lol prisons and jail's are very VERY different from each other not that your aware of
@@xn9333 when did I say they were SPECIFICALLY the same? Lmaoo I never said they were the same thing
Imagine you get a favourite character decide to search them up and all you find is all the heinous stuff they did 💀
That's a good joke icl, I liked and commented just so more people see it
Keeping them locked up with nothing but their own thoughts isn't rehabilitation, it's going to drive them crazy
I understand the criticism of voyerism and taking advantage of people. But if the show is gaining a lot of attention and the experiment is having a positive effect on the inmates, then the show could have a positive impact on how the general public views prisoners and the conditions they live in. Yes some of them have done horrific things and thats why they are there. They shouldn't be able to live in luxury but they do deserve basic human rights which is something many people get very upset about them having. Even though these guys are in max security, the impact of a more favorable public outlook on inmates in general could help a lot of people with less serious crimes get acess to better rehabilitation recources, more job opportunities outside the system, better healthcare, and a better or any wage for jobs worked in prison.
Edit: I looked it up and the prisoners were allowed to pick if they participated or not as they were moved to another wing and could leave at any time. They were given things like extra commissary money, an expanded selection of commisary items, free phone calls, and extra visitation.
I can agrée to the vast majority of this. It’s one of those dilemmas where something is kind of unethical but could be highly beneficial. When we look to history some of the most beneficial experiments to society were highly unethical. Many advancements wouldn’t have happened if ethical standards were present at the time. This isn’t me saying I agree with unethical science, just acknowledging the benefit it has had for society. And of course the absolute detriment it caused to many peoples sanity or lives by taking them.
yeah but literally one of the first codes of ethics in research is about not exploiting prisoners specifically lmao. like, this is precisely the situation that’s typically avoided at all costs bc of the history of horrendous experiments on prisoners. just bc this specific result wasn’t inherently harmful doesn’t mean they arent still violating one of the base level standards for conducting research.
@@pillowvibescorrect I feel like this is unambiguously unethical and wrong. Could it literally save lives? Sure, whatever. But you're saving lives through acting corruptly. That's Daredevil vigilante shit. In real life.
@@beatyz2 that in itself is morally contentious though. It's an interesting dynamic between what's established and going again that for the "greater good" for want of a better term.
I think an important question to ask is why the precedent was set in the first place. It's easy to see why when you look at things lot the Stanford prison experiment, which we can all unanimously agree was not worth the mediocre progress to research in the field when comparing the damage done to participants, but with this show, the only real unethical thing I see is that it's being paraded around on Netflix. But if you asked the prisoners if they would rather be in their current situation Vs only being allowed out for 1 hour a day, I'm sure they would all prefer this arrangement.
As for the issue of using prisoners for research purposes, my general understanding was that the precedent is against using them as labrats for general studies, but since this study is looking at improving prison life specifically, I don't see an issue in that regard. We need to bite the bullet at some point if we want some concrete data to work with. (because lord knows the US will never adopt a similar system to the Scandanavians). The first step to improving quality of life is generally to first determine what things affect it the most through studies based on previous research
@@pillowvibesi agree with this in principle, but it’s not like a bunch of psychologists are doing studies on these prisoners to collect data…or at least that’s not what’s presented in this video. it seems like the new prison warden is trying something new, not to write a paper on it, but to just treat these humans like humans. i think the only unethical part here is the cameras; HOWEVER, if those cameras mean other authorities in this prison system are more willing to fully try out a new system and not shut it all down at the first hint of a potential issue, since they will be held accountable for not giving it an actual try, i think it’s a lot more morally grey than just “experiment and documentary bad”.
Zimbardo must be rolling right now
Underrated comment 🤣👏
Came here to say the same thing... 😂😂
the way i was about to say the same thing, lucifer effect hardly holding up
Bro really said “Trust the process”
then the all the prisoners are dead
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Its because we really get to see how they get contraband in the prison which is totally awesome 😂
I was on a social experiment show where they threw me into a remote island in Fiji (I was the youngest at 18)-- I was on MTV in 2015 and it was the start of social experiments being filmed (or the biggest spike/start).
Interesting to see how it evolved on Netflix the concept of filming people life’s in an experiment.
Stranded with a million dollars was mine
Dude you have an IMDB page. You could make a RUclips video talking about your experience and your take on this issue, because I certainly want to know how it affected you
I would be willing to listen to your experience unless you signed an NDA
Your experience reminded me of the TV show "the wilds",
Wow! nice eyes, lol
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It's almost like people in prison are still human beings.
Who said they aren't but they surely didn't think about their victums, I'm pretty sure they are in a maximum security for a reason goofy , anyways it's hard to believe this is real while there are camera crew walking and filming the place that's not an experiment but a reality shows 😂😂
@@UserHandle454 Experiments need to be documented.
Of course it's not the best scientific documentation, since it needs to be an interesting show, but pretending that the presence of cameras makes it not a scientific experiment is kind stupid.
@@deusexmachina5769 🤦 it's not the cameras that break the experiment, it's the fact it's not candid.
Reactions and actions are influenced d when they're aware they're being recorded.
@@deusexmachina5769 You think the camera crew inside the cells are just there alone? I bet they have a goon squad of COs around whenever they're filming... Just kept off camera.
legally they're allowed to be property in america, yall didnt get rid of all slavery.
Why tf are we treating prisoners as entertainment
Edit: comparing them to gladiators isn't the W argument you think it is. Neither is saying "they're criminals they shouldn't have rights". Prisoners are humans and treating them as less than human accomplishes nothing. It certainly doesn't make them better people when they're released.
Always have been. Look at ancient times
Cause the entertainment industry is running out of ideas.
Gladiator arenas fight to the death.
Entertainment is just keeping something interesting. We have always had taboo and f*’d up topics as entertainment. Its called “Documentary.”
Plus this is an important topic and should be seen more of.
Don't do crimes and you wont be laughed at
Thanks for the rec. I started instantly to watch it.
Ah, prison experiments. That totally hasn’t gone horribly wrong ever before…
This show was so well done and very insightful on recidivism and what perpetuates it.
So you are proposing that the dudes that get out of prison and immediately rape and murder again (happens often but even more often these days in places like California where you are let off free for these crimes) wouldn't have done so if they were allowed to roam free in prison? Are you stupid?
The biggest factor on recidivism is whether they ever get released again.
Truestory was the main character 😅
I think a lot of people forget why we have prisons, it's not to lock up evil people forever it's the rehabilitate people who's lives have been fucked and hopefully get them on the right path
Yeah but that takes money and political will. So for now prisons will just be a money squeeme to funnel money from taxes into the pockets of prison owners. Still better than nothing, but it’s not helping society be safe as much as it should.
The prisons were have now *are* meant to lock up evil people forever, but the amount of truly evil people we have actually managed to contain is not that many.
and the rest who are capable of change if rehabilitated, either rot and hurt the people around them or get released and hurt the people around them. Of course a scant few change without direct rehab as well
yes and no. yes, that’s what prison should be, like in other countries. no, prison in the united states was not built to rehabilitate people.
Literally prisons exist to punish. That is their primary purpose. Look at the policy around the federal guidelines
@@flopus7no thats your prisons yall have it weird
the ending is honestly amazing and made me really happy
That's crazy it's almost like if you treat someone like an animal lock them up the entire day they're going to act like one but give them freedom and they'll act like a human being
Weird perspective you have since they're in jail for deciding to act like animals when they already had full freedom
@zkilla2924 right lol it's more of want to act like an animal you'll be treated like one.
@@zkilla2924 bros never heard of false imprisonment or crime being committed because system failing lmao
@@bigbadchevy loser
@@rifa1673Yeah crazy how there was never crime until recently.
I just finished watching this with my mom. Its a great series, but unfortunately its only has 8 episodes. I recommend it 100%
Randy Randall is the man.
Prisons are supposed to be for rehabilitation, not for serving mindless punishments and driving these people even more insane, the jail system makes money and they WANT AND NEED people to be there so they intentionally wire these people to recommit crimes.
its life in prision, rehabilitating for what
No, justice system is for JUSTICE first.
No they are about punishment we don’t want. A society with murders and pedos around you people are ridiculous
Since when? Prisons were created to be a punishment and a means to keep dangerous people away from the populace.
No prison is for punishment.
Punishment is a key part of justice.
"Justice is the ethical, philosophical idea that people are to be treated impartially, fairly, properly, and reasonably by the law and by arbiters of the law, that laws are to ensure that no harm befalls another, and that, where harm is alleged, a remedial action is taken."
The real experiment is how they will act while knowing they are TV show characters
This might be the new face of scientific studies. We are all really bad a funding scientists work so making a study into a show will make it so money can be gained form it. Is it morally questionable yes but maybe it’s better than nothing
No. No. Bad idea. No. That's how people get exploited, there are review boards for a VERY good reason.
It should NOT BE. Ethics in conducting human research is so important. Studies are structured and documented intentionally.
I would argue that introducing a camera and making prisoners into reality tv show actors would skew your data and results. While I agree about giving prisoners more humane conditions, any data from this experiment would be useless imo.
This is a reality tv show
That is fucked up and so far removed from nature. Science has really made people soulless
I watched this and it’s important to point out that this is jail and not prison but it was really good because these men proved they are capable of having the cells unlocked but it definitely took some time and some stupid decisions were made but you can see the impact of the experiment especially in one of the inmates that almost fucked it up for everyone and ended up taking responsibility in the end
Camera man got the balls of steel
They are being treated like adults.
Adult men in a MAXIMUM security prison. They aren't petty thrives.
*MAXIMUM* security is where they are because of the adult decisions they decide to make.
TBF this show took place in a minimum security prison. But minimum security prisons will have a supermax section of the facility. This section is intended for inmates with a history of violence to other inmates, officers, or who have an issue following the rules in a lower-security prison. Essentially, they were treated like adults and they abused any freedom they had left.
The cameraman being in the warzone completing unstoppable
I am kinda here for this, hoping it will wake people up to the way people are treated in prison and how they work.
Different soaps themed around popular halloween candy, like candy corn, etc..., could be cool!
Absolutely loved it! 10/10 recommend. Really enjoyed seeing how their minds worked & their situations and also it was really interesting seeing old generations and newer generations trying to find middle ground. It has the potential to be such a good Socratic seminar based on literature around the jail experience, like Walter Dean Myer’s “Monster” and James Baldwin’s “If Beale Street Could Talk” It makes me wish I was still in school lol.
Shouldnt have took the guards out but yeah thats a good idea to unlock the doors and give them some freedom people tend to wanna act better
Ah yes definitely because they didnt have all the freedom to begin with to get them in that situation 😂😂 how dumb can u be?
@@bugasugar6876 oh idk maybe they learned or something?
I bet they didn't actually take the guards out. Just kept the off of the camera.
I think it’s a good experiment, because if you can get them to get along and start acting like a normal mature adults that is just going to be better for everyone.
If they can prove it can work then it can lead to better conditions for other prisons... Keeping people locked up for 23 hours a day is cruel.
Keeping people locked up at all is cruel. Prisons and jails are not there to rehabilitate anyone. They are there to torture people.
The problem is that this exact experiment was done in 1971 at Stanford university. It’s doesn’t seem to be conducted any differently than what those college students were put through
@@NuggieIsMissingno? This is a completely different experiment. The Stanford experiment was intended to test whether police officers would succumb to the corruption of their inherently powerful job and mistreat the prisoners, which they did end up doing. This is to test how prisoners would react when there are minimal to no police officers around. If anything they are the complete opposite experiments. Just because they have similar names does not make them the same experiment.
Zeyn being in the manipulative area is interesting, this lore is so cool!
My dad is in federal prison. I can’t imagine if they were doing this shit to him and he randomly gets hurt all because of a fucking Netflix show. Maybe they should just focused their time on rehabilitating prisoners, and building better prison and getting better resources for them…
Damn don’t do a crime then
@@JTM56I think you have missed the point. People make mistakes in life(Occasionally the justice system fails and people get locked up for doing good things, albeit rarely) And if you lock people up with a system that doesn't allow them room to change their behavior learn For instance, because prisoners aren't being treated humanely. Everyone loses out from the prisoner because they're not being treated well along side the general society because prisoners aren't being beneficial to that society if they're not being rehabilitated into someone that is producing value in the world. And, Said Prisons, that are not benefiting anyone, are incredibly expensive and paid for by the taxpayer.
There is some value in keeping dangerous people off the streets. But not all prisoners are dangerous and there's much more value in helping those people become no longer a threat to people or society.
I empathise with you. I would not be happy about this shit. It's cruel and exposes less aggressive inmates to harm.
@@JTM56you don't pick your parents. We don't even know the reason they are in prison. Be a bit more kind in future. If you have nothing good to say, it's better not to say it. Words hurt.
Yeah, we need to focus on rehabilitation more than exclusion and punishment
They are in prison for a reason.... you have to remember that. Just cuz they aren't currently doing some heinous thing to someone... doesn't mean they aren't wanting to still.
Right, but what is the actual purpose of prisons?
@@danishdragon8107 ima keep letting people know, american prisons are legally slavery. so they're sorta right, the american prison system is ecplicitly designed to keep prisoners, who serve as essentially free labour, in jail where they can be exploited.
@@danishdragon8107 to remove bad people from society. To punish bad people.
That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be treated like people. We should have some semblance of compassion for everyone.
@danishdragon8107 the purpose is to punish bad people and to keep the rest of your society safe.
interesting until I realized there are victim’s families who expect justice in that the criminal’s punishment is to be served in confinement.
Yeah I get that. I’m of the mind this is a net positive just because the prison system as it is doesn’t prepare inmates for life outside of prison which means more redicidvism, more victims and more hurt families. Some of the people in the documentary did some horrible shit but that’s not a universal truth, one of the people in the doc is facing life sentences for an armed robbery where nobody died and he’s like 19 which for me is a dumb mistake kids can make if they’re in a bad enough situation and the only reason he’s facing life is the district was charging him individually on every single possible infraction at a maximum sentence
Most jails are already like that. 23 hour lockdown is torture.
A lot of the ppl in that jail are still awaiting trial too, presumably innocent.
Most prisoners are out on a block all day. They took a facility where the inmates did not need to be locked down 23/1 but were anyway, and basically just made it a normal jail. Also, solitary confinement is never part of anyone's sentence in court.
But they are in confinement either way….
Prison is confinement, you’re locked down and away from society. Prison is already the punishment and there should be more ways to rehabilitate within the system then more ways to keep the system running but “let’s put cameras all through the place and see how they react”…
They’re putting all those men in serious danger
I get that our prison system is screwed up but when ever I hear people lamenting over criminal’s rights, I just wish people cared as much and advocated as much for victim’s rights.
When it comes to prisoners I care the most about all the people in prison who have been waiting for a trial for YEARS cause they can’t afford bail and courts are backed up. It’s not right.
@@bobonbobcrime Covid 19 impacted our courts tremendously. There have been delays, yes, but that has been on a global scale. “A violation of the speedy trial rule means that any conviction and sentence must be wiped out, and the charges must be dismissed if the case has not reached trial. The federal Speedy Trial Act provides some instruction for federal cases. For example, it requires formal charges to be brought within 30 days of an arrest.” Now if you waive that right, so your side can gather evidence, then you’ve waived the right to demand a speedy trial.
as much as that is important, american prisoners are litterally, legally slaves. this isnt just "horrible treatment", its open and accepted slavery on a mass scale. prisoners are treated poorly because prisons *want their free labour back*
@@EmeraldEmsiron if they're a grapist, murderer, and robber, so what? Don't do the crime, don't get the time.
@@rose1742 this was happening well before Covid at Rikers and other high volume prisons in the states. My dad was in prison for almost thirty years for a crime he didn’t commit, trying to get the courts to test his dna everytime he was up for parole. They denied it every time. He died in prison of colon cancer from the slop they were feeding him and right after he passed away a judge dismissed his charges. They had tested the dna years earlier and it was just sitting on a shelf. They just wanted him for the FREE LABOR. I grew up without a dad so he could make Dove soap for middle aged white women.
Most jails are like that though. Netflix treating this like it's crazy just because this specific jail locks people down 23 hours a day
Looking at this comment section, it also seems like it's a big deal because people see this bar-level amount of decency given to the prisoners as something far more than they think the prisoners deserve
@@anothercub6958they don’t deserve it
@@The_king567 Way to prove a point!😄
@@anothercub6958 because you know I’m right
@@The_king567 Statistically you are not. If you want the lowest rate of re-offending, treating prisoners with basic levels of respect leads to the best outcomes.
Facts over feelings.
Oh cool. The milgram prison experiment updated
Wasn't it the stanford prison experiment by Zimbardo
Milgram made the experiment with the electric shocks
That has nothing to do with milgram experiment, but this could be tie with the Fredericks Experiment.
Thank you for this.
Been looking for something good to watch.
Thats sickening. Pure dystopian nightmare
No it isn't , it's sociology
@@Omar--_yeah they are violent people but we need to allow them to mix and only allowing them a maximum of 1hour a day will just make people more unwell so it's a pretty interesting experiment
cant make an omelette without breaking a few eggs jack
@@Turbo-DFI can see the broken eggs. Where’s this omelet of yours?
@@Omar--_sociological experiments are often extremely unethical, the sickening nature isn’t negated by the fact it’s sociology
Too bad the prisoners aren’t smart enough to troll the warden and get along with each other.
They do, and they punish anyone that makes them lose any of the freedoms the warden gave them. If I remember correctly, they made the guards take the guy that lost the phone privileges out of the pod by saying if he didn't get moved, they would hurt him bad.
Best prisons in the world are the ones that show more humanity and respect to inmates. They have higher percentages of not coming back too
The best rate of recidivism is capital punishment.
That is just factually inaccurate
@@Browncoatful you're so correct, because Norway isn't real🇳🇴🔥🔥🔥
Nah bro it needs to be supervised, no weapons and all privacy needs to be known to officers
its almost like empathy is a great tool to help heal and change people
Maybe with greater visibility for how torturous conditions just causes violent traumatized prisoners who commit crimes once they are let out, and how rehabilitation is the best choice for people who don’t like violent crime this show will do some good.
It’s max security.
There are some in there who are eager for you to pop those locks so they can dole out prison justice.
People aren't going to be free from consequences just because they're being treated like humans while in prison. Recidivism goes down with inmates are treated like people instead of animals and are given access to basic necessities (including healthcare), exercise, education, socialization, spiritual support (for those who want that), mentors, addiction counseling, general counseling. You know, all the things that help people in general? Because they ARE people
Really good documentary! I was not expecting thar outcome. I hope we get another season because the warden was a really cool guy and the prisoners were mostly good people who made mistakes in life. I really likes some of the prisoners and would like to learn more about them
Looking through this comment section, I believe that a lot of people don't actually know what happened in the Stanford prison experiment...
No, this is not the same as it and is nowhere comparable to it. I hope the people who liked my comment thinking that I agreed with them that this is a bad idea comparable to the stanford prison experiment have a very unpleasant time with the legal system.
This creates a weird dilemma where it’s like “do I really wanna watch these people be played with and treated like animals?” Vs “well they are in high security so they are most likely the worst of the worst criminals so who cares” vs “but I don’t know what these people did or what was done to them to end up here. They are still human at the end of the day” idk.
Well they're alive and they get fed and sheltered. Sounds like their rights aren't being all that violated.
It’s important to watch so we can continue advocating for better jail and police reform
@@atroxivslaves were fed and sheltered.
@@joey4725 slaves didn't do anything to deserve lesser treatment, though. They were also whipped, beaten, and forced to work without pay, given little food, and rarely ever medical treatment. Your comparison is faulty.
@@kathydelarosa1286 jail works just fine. It has its intended effect as a punishment for those sent to it.
of course giving them MORE time would work better! if all you’re looking forward to is 1 hour a day, you’re gonna be restless. and everyone else is too. lots of high emotions
It probably also lowers the risk of acting out and developing negative relationships with other inmates.
You're only around these folks for an hour a day, why would you care about maintaining any level of peace?
But if you're actually stuck with them for the whole day? Now you have reason to make peace with everyone, cause if you don't well then every day is gonna get a lot worse for everyone involved.
Ok, who cares?
You're imprisoned for punishment.
Of course they're going to like being punished less.
DUH
Depends on how you define "works better".
Also giving them more time is only one aspect of what they changed.
@@rockthejohnson The guards who have to be around them care and so does anyone who has any spec of respect for humanity.
@@rockthejohnson In the United States, 1/20 criminal cases result in wrongful conviction. Whether you’ve committed a crime or not, you’re still a human being. Solitary confinement is torture.
Unless the prisoners know they are being filmed this show would feel like watching a more gritty Truman show.
The prison industry is meant to create repeat offenders. Its big business for them
That sheriff is being sued by the governor now lol
Ah so fallout but with out nukes, above ground and we never leave the vault
I already seen it. It is very entertaining. 10/10
And they will take it off NetFlix 2 milliseconds later.
1 hour a day??? It is truly horrific that so many institutions can treat humans like this without any repercussions.
because its litterally slavery, like, constitutionally outlined as "prisons are still a legal form of slavery dw"
It's a maximum security jail. Meaning they are being held for either committing a VERY serious (ei. violent) crime or while being held for their court date were violent to jail staff.
They are there due to their actions.
I was held for 21 and a half hours a day at the lowest part of the jail you could be… unsentanced.. without even being found guilty of anything yet
I watched this, i feel like the guy who created this project was desperate for it to work when it clearly didnt
I mean it just goes to show that our prison systems really don’t care about its inhabitants. It’s ridiculous that they just expected them to work it out and be holding hands singing Kumbayas without giving ANY type of mental or psychological treatment whatsoever. They practically set them up to fail
They shouldn’t care about them they clearly didn’t care enough to follow the law
They shouldn't be cared for.
@@The_king567 bro u are a communist
@@rockthejohnson ahh yes no wonder the US has the highest number of incarceration rates in the world. If we actually took rehabilitation seriously the numbers would go down
A show with minimal information tells you ALL of that huh? Do you even know why these inmates were in their cells for 23 hours a day? Do you even know what type of prison this was filmed at OR what section of that prison would have a 23-hour lockdown and why?
Because if you answer just those questions it starts making sense why those individuals would be in a cell for 23 hours a day.
Lets be real they would've 100% handpicked ppl for this no way would they show on tv the real types of prisoners max prisons have
In places they treat people like people in prison, and when they get out, they usually never come back it says a lot about us in our country jail
In places where they treat people like people in prison, crime is way lower in the first place and not committed for nearly the same reasons as it is in the US. Organized crime is a lot bigger of an issue in the drug capital of the world than Norway (A stellar example of the systems you're referring to).
And also, Norway's prison system costs more per prisoner than the average income of an American. So no way in hell is that coming to the US in any case.
Another contributing factor to "reoffense rates" is that many of the people who get arrested don't actually even go to prison, they're just released by corrupt DAs on bail and just do the exact same thing, skewing statistics.
“We need to treat these people like adults”
My brother in Christ, they are in a maximum security prison!
Well the thing is freedom is the least of the solutions. It’s giving incentives, protecting people, competent and empathic security, all health needs met and so on
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Which they shouldnt get because they are convicted criminals.
Especially these max security guys.
@@rockthejohnsonso you say we should incentivize criminals acting as they are, potentially harming even more people, because you want to feel good?
As a teacher, the head mistress used to punish my Year 1 class for not sitting still *enough* in assembly by cancelling their morning play outside. Made my class totally unmanageable until Lunch.
Same reasoning.
Its actully really good and interesting! Its actually really refreshing to see a jail warden actually care for his inmates. They in jail not prison
True
Yeah, he definitely didn't do it for money 😂
Wait, actually? 😂
treating prisoners like humans shouldn’t be an experiment it should just be how the system works
If you act like an animal you get treated like an animal.
@@jankoleon3785 If you treat people like animals they start to act like animals.
It's self-perpetuating cycle.
The goal of prisons should be to get folks acting like people again, not just abusing them so that they become worse out of some hollow sense of justice and retribution. At that point why even waste money on the prison, just put 'em on a remote island and tell 'em to fend for themselves.
@@jankoleon3785if that were the case we wouldn't have prisons, we'd be allowed to settle it in the streets
@@AndyODelieno the goal of prison is to enact justice
Prisoners didn’t treat there victims like humans they don’t deserve it
This sounds like some ‘Hello! Vault-Tec Here’ ahh type experiment 😂
It's almost like allowing people to satisfy their physical and social needs makes people physically and socially healthier...
Stuff like this honestly just shows that the prison system needs a complete overhaul. Rehabilitation and harm prevention should be valued more than sadistic punishment.
They were allowed to satisfy their physical and social needs out on the streets, and what did they do?
@@datboi8417 Are you stupid on purpose
they treat inmates as people when these inmates didn't treat their victims as people.
Adding another level to the worst system in the world. Good job.
Best in the world you mean
@@The_king567Ah yes the best with a 70% reoffending rate compared to Norways 20%
@@The_king567 Funny. But an old joke. Luckily objective matters show that the country in question is below many developing countries. In case u didnt joke.
@@BergPetter because what I said is true
@@Roober21 nah North Korea is better they have a crime rate of zero
Sounds like old Experiment movie
What kind of monsters lock human beings in cells for 23 hours a day?
Criminals are bad, prisons are much worse.
One of these days we are going to have to stop wanting to be so damn entertained.
We need human interaction
When I saw him push the chair away and say leave me alone I click straight to Netflix 😂😂😂
I mean, these are max security prisoners, at that point they've lost their right to privacy for the crimes they commited.
Privacy and being treated humanely are not the same thing.