As an owner of a 599 I could not agree with you more. These cars are very robust and for performance/dollar value are hard to beat. They were deemed to big when new but compared to todays every increasing car sizes they look demure, subtle, sophisticated and elegant. Todays trend of design is to aggressive for me and boy racer. Love my purchase and as good as they look in photos they are that much better in person, every time I pull into a cars and coffee it draws a crowd.
I like the 599 (especially in dark grey, dark blue or black), but I own an F12 and it's the far better car. It's lighter, smaller but with more space inside, looks better (okay, that's subjective), is much more modern, has an incredible sound from stock and the V12 is mated to a fantastic 7-speed double clutch gearbox. Maybe you should think about an upgrade ;-)
@@jeffmaynard5642 no, tbh I am a bit biased - I like the looks of the F12 more. Happy for you! The 599 is a wonderful dream of a car. Would be nice to meet up and have a drive together.
I got myself a beautiful FF and I am thrilled with it! An unbelievable car - totally undervalued in my opinion. On the other hand, that was my chance to get one!
@@konnected1group871 Well, as a daily driver I don't know. I find it too precious for everyday use. I reserve it for the rare but nice moments during the week - going out for dinner with it for example. And don't forgett, it consumes quite a bit of fuel - and you always need a safe and shady parking space. I don't want anybody do slam his door into my FF - and I don't want the sun to burn and shrink the lovely leather interior. Other than that? If you want my personal opinion? Go for it! Pull the trigger! This car is fantastic and it surpasses all my expecations! A pure pleasure! The looks, the interior, the performance......and: the sound!! You will get addicted to the sound! See also Doug De Muro on RUclips, testing the FF - if you should need another opinion! :-D Cheers, Boris
Thanks for the analysis! I would like to see the Maserati GranTurismo and GranCabrio too. They car stopped production and how’s your prediction on the value specifically the 2018 and 2019 model.
Biggest problem with the FF is that it has a design fault where the PTU fails (a matter of when not if). Very expensive to replace, some people report having to replace it multiple times.
Another great video. I particularly liked the search interest research. I wonder if the 3% increase in the California is reflected in the search interest. Thanks for the research
I feel like you need to analyse the 599 with the front engine v12 ferrari's that are inbetween it. The F12 and the 550/575. These droped to the low 100k's so I could see 599's doing the same. The FF I think will go lower too because too many people will be scared to buy one because of its intricate awd system.
The FF had a lot more lurking issues then the 599. The FF uses the first gen dual clutch transmission that was used in the California, the 458, and the FF, which suffered from catastrophic sensor failure. Luckily enough of these failed that techs were trained to open the gear boxes and perform the repairs instead of a full gearbox replacement. The FF also suffers from gearbox seal failures and power transfer unit failures, which are very common, and the car becomes a brick when it does. The 599 uses the more reliable but dated single clutch F1 transmission. While in theory the dual clutch should outlast and out perform the old F1 the DCT failures being expensive to repair puts the known price of clutch replacement in the 599 ahead by a long shot. Since the F1 has been around it’s issues are well known and can be repaired by a competent independent mechanic where DCT repairs will almost always require a dealer as most parts are dealer restricted. But I agree either car is a good value at current price points. If you had the Ferrari new power warranty on the FF it’s a heck of a deal for the power you get.
I did! I honestly think, money no object, is the best ferrari for looks. Is an F12 with 2 extra seats. And if you really want the HP you can modify it, but after owning one for a month (after owning an M46 BMW M3 CSL), it doesn't need more power! I prefer it much more than the poor interior of the GTC4 Lusso. Every reviewer hates it. I love the FF. Is classy and classic. Mine is being detailed and full PPF, new wheels etc. Due back Thursday...
I believe that the introduction of the Ferrari SUV will depress the prices of the FF and the GTC4Lusso even further. The $110K 599 HGTE car is a flood-loss vehicle, with a salvage title. It should probably be removed from your sample; it is totally unrepresentative. Price increases are probably influenced by the general shortage of used cars universally.
I'm curious to know how many of these FFs thst came on the market with increased prices actually sold. I feel like lots of people sensed the market increase and decided to fish their cars.on the market with high prices. I wonder how many are actually selling.
@@fourwheeltrader exactly...it seems like it shows owners reacting to the trend more than the buyers. Well see if these 20%up models sell before the prices go back down
I've been following the FFs pretty closely for a few months now and in the recent weeks all but one that has sold were at 140k or below. There was one that went for 175k but it was an out of range color, CPO, and was fairly pristine
@@zhangshred I think it's becoming a tough call to get an FF for $140 when you can get a gtc4-t for $180. Granted it's the tt8...not 12...but still tough to justify the older car for such a close distance in price. Lots of guys actually love their Ts!
The FF has been dropping hard in price because of the PTU issues, which seems to be a ticking time bomb (very expensive fix, sounds like $30k-40k). Most owners might not have encountered the issue yet, because a lot of Ferrari owners don't put a lot of milage on their cars, but it sounds like as time has gone by, more and more cars are starting to see the issue. There are a bunch of threads about the issue on the Ferrari forums
@@zkkrhfhska The FF has a separate transmission for the front wheels called the PTU. It seems like it has a design flaw which will eventually cause it to go and the replacement unit they give you is the same PTU with the same design flaw.
Apart from looks , personally I think they both look shockingly bad . If I was wanting a 4 seat ferrari I'd have a 456 or a 612 . Not 4 wheel drive but a lot better looking.
Problem is 456 is a bit of a old duffer despite its looks and its reliability is not great. 612 that replaced it is complete opposite in both regards but everyone assumes it’s the same.
*Which car would you like to see analysed next?*
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Mercedes e63 AMG sedan and wagon
Let’s talk more about Ferrari F12 buying opportunities *soon*
Mid 90's Japanese cars !
Ferrari 612
As an owner of a 599 I could not agree with you more. These cars are very robust and for performance/dollar value are hard to beat. They were deemed to big when new but compared to todays every increasing car sizes they look demure, subtle, sophisticated and elegant. Todays trend of design is to aggressive for me and boy racer. Love my purchase and as good as they look in photos they are that much better in person, every time I pull into a cars and coffee it draws a crowd.
Great performance, but UGLY!!!!
@@fishtx3362 yeah everything about the car is great except the look
I like the 599 (especially in dark grey, dark blue or black), but I own an F12 and it's the far better car. It's lighter, smaller but with more space inside, looks better (okay, that's subjective), is much more modern, has an incredible sound from stock and the V12 is mated to a fantastic 7-speed double clutch gearbox. Maybe you should think about an upgrade ;-)
@@spiller212 well I guess with that in mind your seriously considering the 812? I’m very happy with my choice I hope you are as well.
@@jeffmaynard5642 no, tbh I am a bit biased - I like the looks of the F12 more. Happy for you! The 599 is a wonderful dream of a car. Would be nice to meet up and have a drive together.
I got myself a beautiful FF and I am thrilled with it! An unbelievable car - totally undervalued in my opinion. On the other hand, that was my chance to get one!
Thinking about this for my next daily driver. Should I pull the trigger?
@@konnected1group871 Well, as a daily driver I don't know. I find it too precious for everyday use. I reserve it for the rare but nice moments during the week - going out for dinner with it for example. And don't forgett, it consumes quite a bit of fuel - and you always need a safe and shady parking space. I don't want anybody do slam his door into
my FF - and I don't want the sun to burn and shrink the lovely leather interior. Other than that? If you want my personal opinion? Go for it! Pull the trigger! This car is fantastic and it surpasses all my expecations! A pure pleasure! The looks, the interior, the performance......and: the sound!! You will get addicted to the sound! See also Doug De Muro on RUclips, testing the FF - if you should need another opinion! :-D Cheers, Boris
once again a super analysis - thanks. I'm looking forward to you grabbing the Maserati Granturismo / Grandgabrio :-)
The FF is great, the 599 isn't exactly easy on the eyes, I prefer the Murci any day
Thanks for the analysis! I would like to see the Maserati GranTurismo and GranCabrio too. They car stopped production and how’s your prediction on the value specifically the 2018 and 2019 model.
l Love The FF Thanks For Posting This!
Awesome video your content helps me convince my dad that’s Supercars are a good idea but I think the ff is deeply under appreciated
Life of Palos sent me to your channel. Great channel!
Biggest problem with the FF is that it has a design fault where the PTU fails (a matter of when not if).
Very expensive to replace, some people report having to replace it multiple times.
Awesome video!
On the HGTE there is also a fairly sizable price difference between factory and dealer install.
Indeed, the cheapest hgte for sale (left bottom on the MY vs price graph) has a dealer install. The rest all have factory installs i believe.
Which is patently ridiculous
U r missing the v12 factor and it‘s soon discontinuation
Boxster and cayman 987 and 987.2 please!!
Thank you, this video was one my requests! I loved it.
Ongelofelijk goede research!
Another great video. I particularly liked the search interest research. I wonder if the 3% increase in the California is reflected in the search interest. Thanks for the research
Thanks! The search interest for the california was stable during the last years.
@@fourwheeltrader so we can say "correlation is not causation ".
I’m shocked at California prices, I totally expected it to be languishing down with Mondials. Apparently journalists hated them but owners love them.
I feel like you need to analyse the 599 with the front engine v12 ferrari's that are inbetween it. The F12 and the 550/575. These droped to the low 100k's so I could see 599's doing the same. The FF I think will go lower too because too many people will be scared to buy one because of its intricate awd system.
The FF had a lot more lurking issues then the 599. The FF uses the first gen dual clutch transmission that was used in the California, the 458, and the FF, which suffered from catastrophic sensor failure. Luckily enough of these failed that techs were trained to open the gear boxes and perform the repairs instead of a full gearbox replacement. The FF also suffers from gearbox seal failures and power transfer unit failures, which are very common, and the car becomes a brick when it does.
The 599 uses the more reliable but dated single clutch F1 transmission. While in theory the dual clutch should outlast and out perform the old F1 the DCT failures being expensive to repair puts the known price of clutch replacement in the 599 ahead by a long shot. Since the F1 has been around it’s issues are well known and can be repaired by a competent independent mechanic where DCT repairs will almost always require a dealer as most parts are dealer restricted.
But I agree either car is a good value at current price points. If you had the Ferrari new power warranty on the FF it’s a heck of a deal for the power you get.
Is FF a keeper or a seller?. It has under 10km and as good a new.
please do california T and portofino
These are awesome videos btw....thank you.
FF will go up even more...last 2 plus 2 now being replaced by an SUV..get one while they are still cheap
I did! I honestly think, money no object, is the best ferrari for looks. Is an F12 with 2 extra seats. And if you really want the HP you can modify it, but after owning one for a month (after owning an M46 BMW M3 CSL), it doesn't need more power! I prefer it much more than the poor interior of the GTC4 Lusso. Every reviewer hates it. I love the FF. Is classy and classic. Mine is being detailed and full PPF, new wheels etc. Due back Thursday...
@@jamesclery9809 couldn't agree more! 👍
BEST VIDEO EVER!!! THE FERRARI GRAPH!!!
Is 2019 superfast will hold the value?
I believe that the introduction of the Ferrari SUV will depress the prices of the FF and the GTC4Lusso even further.
The $110K 599 HGTE car is a flood-loss vehicle, with a salvage title. It should probably be removed from your sample; it is totally unrepresentative.
Price increases are probably influenced by the general shortage of used cars universally.
I think it will do the opposite
Do Audi RS5 please.
I'm curious to know how many of these FFs thst came on the market with increased prices actually sold. I feel like lots of people sensed the market increase and decided to fish their cars.on the market with high prices. I wonder how many are actually selling.
True, especially now when supply is also up.
@@fourwheeltrader exactly...it seems like it shows owners reacting to the trend more than the buyers. Well see if these 20%up models sell before the prices go back down
I've been following the FFs pretty closely for a few months now and in the recent weeks all but one that has sold were at 140k or below. There was one that went for 175k but it was an out of range color, CPO, and was fairly pristine
@@zhangshred good to know! Thnx
@@zhangshred I think it's becoming a tough call to get an FF for $140 when you can get a gtc4-t for $180. Granted it's the tt8...not 12...but still tough to justify the older car for such a close distance in price. Lots of guys actually love their Ts!
The FF has been dropping hard in price because of the PTU issues, which seems to be a ticking time bomb (very expensive fix, sounds like $30k-40k).
Most owners might not have encountered the issue yet, because a lot of Ferrari owners don't put a lot of milage on their cars, but it sounds like as time has gone by, more and more cars are starting to see the issue. There are a bunch of threads about the issue on the Ferrari forums
whats the PTU issue? just started looking at FF's again after taking a break from the market during covid
@@zkkrhfhska The FF has a separate transmission for the front wheels called the PTU. It seems like it has a design flaw which will eventually cause it to go and the replacement unit they give you is the same PTU with the same design flaw.
Rest video !
I think it is well known that the GTC4Lusso solved all the FF problems.
Apart from looks , personally I think they both look shockingly bad . If I was wanting a 4 seat ferrari I'd have a 456 or a 612 . Not 4 wheel drive but a lot better looking.
@@paulthomson9014 456 is hideous looking, especially those rear lights...612 is nice but FF is on another level
@@robertcomella8486 no way you can the ff is better looking than the 456 ha ha 😉
@@paulthomson9014 I think 9 out of 10 people would pick the FF over 456...that's why 456 is so cheap..nobody wants it
Problem is 456 is a bit of a old duffer despite its looks and its reliability is not great. 612 that replaced it is complete opposite in both regards but everyone assumes it’s the same.
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