Will DC Become Better Than the MCU? - Marvel's Problems Explained
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2023
- The Flash is good, but will Flash replace the MCU? We talk about the myriad of problems the MCU is facing, and how the Flash represents a clean start for the new DCU.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Rohail Mistry, Lee mazzio, Brianna McLarty, and Randolf Nombrado
Featuring: Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Featuring: Adam Lance Garcia ( / adamlancegarcia )
#Flash #MCU #DCU
But you know, these days or more are never as important as the entire franchise. And what Colton and the online reactions are saying is that this is the first DC movie in years that actually gets you excited for the next installment of the DC Universe. IN a little bit I want to hear from Colton and author Adam lance garcia about their thoughts on this, but I want to pose a question to all of you: is the MCU about to decline, and will the DCU rise to take its place?
Doug: What do you mean? The MCU is awesome! And DC made such hits as Black Adam, and Batgirl.
Oooooh.
Doug: Too soon? Sorry.
Look man, I agree, I love the MCU, we cover every second of MCU content on the channel, but you have to admit that there has been a downward trend. Maybe not in quality, but in enthusiasm.
Doug: Why whatever do you mean?
Well let me explain. WE all know that for the first 11 years the MCU redefined blockbusters, they had such a hit streak building this mega franchise, and it culminated in avengers endgame, which was like a love letter to fans and culminated in the infinity saga.
Then a lot of fans started to say that they should have stopped the MCU there, because the movie felt like a natural end. Now, I always thought that was ridiculous because I am a kong time comic book fan, where there is one rule that is always true [watchmen, nothing ever ends]. After the endgame, I was still excited for all of the stories Marvel had left to adapt.
And then when Marvel announced what they had coming up at San Diego Comic Con, it was an embarrassment of riches. More taika waititi thor, more scott derrickson dr strange, more spider-man-the MCU expanded to premium streaming content. Marvel lost some big stars, but they had a few existing heroes who could carry the franchise as they introduced new heroes to the saga.
But then the studio with the incredible lucky streak hit some pretty big snags. IN 2018, Disney fired James Gunn for some old, disgusting tweets he made. But get this, the tweets were not new. When Gunn was hired by Marvel in 2013, he acknowledged the tweets and apologized for them. But still, he was fired and Guardians 3 was scheduled. Now, a year later he would be rehired. But Gunn had already missed a year of preproduction work on Guardians 3, and had agreed to direct the suicide squad for warner brothers.
So now, Gunn was making movies for the competition and his own MCU franchise would be delayed. This is a big deal, because guardians 3 was originally scheduled to open phase 4, in may of 2020.
Then, in February, Bob Iger stepped down as the president of the Walt Disney company.
Doug: What’s that got to do with anything?
Wwii, maybe nothing, but I have a theory I’ll explain about that in a little bit. Then, of course, the corona virus hit [montage of newscasts?]. Marvel projects that were finished-like Black widow-were able to be released in theaters. And other projects that were filming-like Wanda Vision, Loki, Shang Chi, the Eternals, and Falcon and the Winter soldier-all delayed.
Marvel’s release schedule seemed to be changing every week. Originally, multiverse of madness was supposed to be released a few months after wandavision, not a year later. You get the idea, you were there.
Marvel’s biggest loss was the death of Chadwick Boseman in 2020. In addition to being a wonderful person and gifted actor, he was the star of the franchise’s most promising franchise. But, in 2021, the MCU came back. The year was promising for the streaming shows, with Wandavision, Loki, falcon and the winter soldier, hawkeye and what if all being bangers, or at least really strong.
The movies were a bit hit and miss, but solid. They clashed with Scarlett Johansson over the streaming release of black Widow, but they settled out of court. 
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I am 55 years old. I don't believe in super hero or Star Wars fatigue. I just want to see new characters and good stories.
I agree you am 27
I’m 51 and feel the same way.
I am 51 and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Give me more new content that is fresh and will surprise me at the theater. When I go and watch superhero movies, I see all types of generations inside the movie theater. It’s great to see that. Because in 20 years, that’s gonna be me in the movie theater. Sitting there at 71 years old enjoying a good superhero movie or SW.
51, same
42, same.
"These characters mean nothing to this version of Peter Parker" is the point though. Pete is the kind of person who will go out of his way to save people who he just met today who were literally trying to kill him, because they're people to him, and everyone matters.
I thought that was a weird thing to say too.. Those Villains meant nothing to the Spider man of their respective stories either, until they did. They each represented a new threat on the horizon, as most villains do.
They werent introduced as Villains, they were People who knew spiderman was peter and they were dragged into this world due to Peter parker's selfishness to make others forget and then tampering with the spell. So I guess after learning from doctor strange about this, that was the time he felt responsible and they were all not showing any threat. They all agreed to go back home and get fixed. They were human beings and that is what heroes do. He did it alone at first but couldnt control them.
After losing May he still saved them, that was the Peter. after some backup and help, they all lost the burden of their mistakes. The baggage and regrets were cleared out. Making universe 616 Peter's origin story and Sony concluding the previous stories.
I dont understand why ppl try to make everything in regards to themselves rather than understand and appreciate what others do...
@@DangerDude616 yeah them saying actors like garfield ,cox waiting to speak dialogue for fans to applause when the promo they released for batman has keaton waiting to say the same
also it is weird to say spiderman nwh is good in theatres but not in tv
ryan arey you lost respect brother
That's a great point!
Yea that line had me shaking my head.
The thing that made the DCEU bad was that it felt like they were trying to take shortcuts to catch up with the MCU in Superman vs Batman.
It didn't only feel like it. They 100% pushed for quick releases to try to capitalise on Marvel's success and because DCU fanboys will defend their garbage no matter how hard DCU spits in their faces and calls it rain we will never get any good DCU movies. Years of the same crap has already shown us that.
@@Sangsstuff exactly. Although I watch Man of Steel every time it comes on, to me there were always little problems in various movies that kept them from being SUPER dope to me like Avengers and others. They tried to force the Justice league together and they didn't give Doomsday the solo movie where he was the main villain like they did in the comics
you could tell studio execs and money grabbers were at the helm
@@iunderstanphotography2780 My problem with the DC/Marvel fanboys is that people act as if they will support their side no matter what happens. That doesn't make sense to me. We want good movies about the characters we love. I loved watching Batman and Spider-man as a kid. I watched all saturday comic shows every week and I was super hyped when Spider-man was released and laughed my ass off in cringe when I saw Spider-man 3 with my friends. Just as I was very happy with Spider-man No Way Home and how it redeemed both Maguire and Garfield (the actor not the cat) from their previous bad movies. That is what I want the studios to do! To learn from their mistakes and adapt to make better films. Being a fan who defends their every move no matter what won't ever achieve that. They aren't your precious little children who need support and confidence with every mistake. They are greedy, corporate, adult investors in the movie business and they will give you whatever you have the stomach to swallow. Make sure it's something tasty.
@@Sangsstuff I'm not sure I'm seeing the undying support. I'm hearing a lot of complaining from both sides.
You and I lived through this before. AS you mentioned, we watched Batman trn into Batman and Robin, Spiderman turn into Spiderman 3. Xmen to that New mutants movie and Dark Phoenix. We have to call out the studios and let them know when they're going off the rails
for Comic book fans over 40, we are literally seeing our imaginations come to life! lets keep getting more amazing films!
@@iunderstanphotography2780 I truly hope so! Reading online reviews of objectively horribly bad movies like Suicide Squad, Batman v Superman and Justice league has made me cynic. 😅
Werewolf by Night was true quality for a 50 minute special presentation marvel should relay more on practical effects, costumes and sets
DC is gonna shine bright in the future can’t wait!
I liked the new Ant-man movie also, had no problem with the CGI, and got the Kang I expected.
Kang talks shit, but he rarely beats the heroes from Marvel's "main" universe. Scott got more help then I thought he would need.
I love Kang as the villain because there's so much they can do with it especially because of the Loki series but in the Antman movie he was literally the only good part.
Same! And it makes sense why Kang lost. For one, his egotistical arrogance caused him to lose. His suit literally got destroyed by evolved smart ants and he was just a man fighting another man. So naturally, after Wasp came in as well, he stood no chance
Ironic that we're talking about Majors being problematic for MCU in this video about the Flash. Not to minimize claims of domestic violence, but what about Ezra's multiple issues with kidnapping, assault and more. I can't believe Warner Bros went forward with him in the movie.
people want to shit on mcu for likes now
people want to shit on mcu for likes now
That's because the movie was already made and they spent way too much money they couldn't afford to just chunk it away months or even a year before Ezra went on his Villain arc
And in refusing to do the right thing and neutralize the Ezra dilemma, the DCEU went on its own villain arc by choosing to do the wrong thing over the right thing. Boo DCEU.
@@falloutgar918 it's dying anyways and Ezra will be recast so it doesn't matter anymore
I also agree with you about Oscar Issac. I have never read a Moon Knight comic but I enjoyed the series greatly.
That guy is a really talented actor.
@@DylanMadd he is. I have liked him in everything I have seen him in.
and that is also despite the show having some pretty sizeable flaws as well... like the stock standard CG orgy, the skipping of ALL the fights when moon knight conks out, some plot conveniences, etc
yeah. I had NO DESIRE to watch it. I was bored and started it....then I was hooked. Was it great? Not like GOG3....but it was a good story. Just like Hawkeye....no desire...and now its one of my favorite series along with WandaVision
@@surfacematter2098 Yo Hawkeye is underrated. It’s a really great Xmas time show to revisit. Between that and the Guardians Xmas special, we have some new classics! Just in time to be a little tired of Elf and the 1st 90mins of Its a Wonderful Life.
I think the MCU will be fine in the long run especially as they are already delaying projects and seem to be going back to having a relatively small amount of releases per year.
because they want more money.... not because they care about the projects. Its coming from bob igar.... not people in control of marvel. People that have nothing to do with marvel and making these decisions.
The Russo Brothers absolutely need to come back for the next Avengers movies.
Spacing out the releases doesn’t mean the quality will be there.
I agree as well. They delayed some projects and are now improving the MCU. The MCU is and ALWAYS will be far ahead and BETTER than DC!!!!!
@@jakeaneluwo mate DC had the better shows n Marvel thr better movies, but now that's about to change, just bcs they're delaying the releases doesn't mean the writing is gonna change, remember the script is made either before or just after the actors are casted for the roles, so the only way Marvel's writing could improve is if they made/make a movie's script this yr n plan on releasing the movie in the next 2 or 3 yrs. meaning it'd most likely just be Fantastic 4 that'd be a good movie that listened to all the issues of previous movies
Gunn didn't apologize for the tweets until the controversy that got him fired. That image you have attached to the claim is just a quote from an article where he says he apologized ten years earlier.
What he actually apologized for was a blog post he made which he apologized to GLAAD for. The gross tweets continued for several months after that apology after he was hired for Guardians of the Galaxy.
The reason Disney freaked out is because he followed his apology they forced him to make with more gross jokes on twitter.
THIS!!! I wish more people would actually take this seriously instead of not caring about it because he made a movie they like... Gunn is disgusting and shouldn't be anywhere near these films.
@@JAckh45n i'm not even upset that James Gunn has a job, I like most of his movies. I just wish people would stop retconning his past behavior to make themselves feel better.
He did apologize and he did stop his BS before he apologized. He just didn't stop when most people think a normal person would have stopped and he didn't apologize until he got caught years later.
I personally enjoy morbid humour and i don’t think people should apologize for making jokes.
@@JAckh45n nope. after gotg3 hell no, that man is too talented. The movie made me cry over a cgi raccoon.
I'd be happy if they were both equally successful🤔
Right?! Dunno why everyone acts like they cant co exist
Folks gotta stop treating movie studios like football teams
@@paulziiee its more good assed movies for me to watch! I'd love DC to get themselves together
Both putting out quality product only benefits the fans.
I would just like to know if would you ever consider covering the DC animated universe movies that started with flash point and went into justice league war.
He should. Flashpoint Paradox animated movie was a 10/10.
can u guys name some good new animated DCU or MCU shows? I'm familiar with all the classics but not familiar with what's new & really good
@@RichSmithson better than comic
Wonderful universe.
Phase 4 just finished and I'm in the "AntMan 3 was good" crowd. I think it sets us up for the Multiverse well and we're about to hit Guardians so 🤷 I'm actually SUPER HYPED for the Marvel's. Can't wait to see all 3 actors interact!
Nice. It’s also great where comic movies are vs where they used to be. Instead of a single “hero” who gets powers & a negative version he fights who has the same abilities, we FINALLY have movies populated by the comic characters. Even if they’re smaller roles. It’s more and more like a live comic
Antman 3............was "trash". You are a super fan.
@Movies Music Sports and Life w/ Jae Sproo. I like being called a "super fan". Thanks!
@@slimjimnyc270 me too.
There are SO MANY great DC stories to be told. I hope this is the start of DC getting the love it deserves.
I just hope we don’t have to sit through more Batman and Superman origin stories. We get it, let’s move on and start kicking ass.
@@twentyoneplusvideo0472 I mean we didn't have a superman movie since 2013,but yeah every JL members are extremely popular and WB has to trust these characters
Me TOO!!
It was hard to follow up Endgame. I think they’ll be fine. I love all the MCU movies. Yes, even The Eternals. Some are better than others, but I feel they’re all good.
Same here. I think the majority of people probably feel this way too. It's just that the haters are so loud on social media, it artificially amplifies their negative messages.
No it won’t replace the MCU, the MCU has always been a successful company and even with a failure they manage to rise up again. I might be easy to impress since I’ve defended Phase 4 but I’m pleading with you to stop craping on it
It's just ScreenCrush trying their hand at rage farming -- not a good move on their part.
How MCU has always been a successful company? MCU just started in 2008
one rule in comics..no one is dead cept uncle ben
And Batman's parents.
And Superman's planet.
Please explain how Multiverse of Madness didn't continue Wanda's arc. The series literally ends with her secretly studying the Darkhold. How could she have any other arc but being corrupted?
I know right and she got over vision not her kids so of course she wants to see them again.
It was a wasted opportunity. They should've made Wanda into the next big villain of the MCU
@@Peterski she’s still can be
@@amf0078 yes, but it's not the same, her descent into darkness should've been done over several movies, making it a proper tragic story. Now it's just meh
@@Peterski it has been happening over years and movies ever since infinity war
The one thing I wanna disagree on is the WandaVision to MoM bit. We clearly see Wanda delving into the Darkhold at the end of WandaVision so it wasn't really a "reboot" of her character. But alas.
Exactly. It's like someone still reeling from grief quietly turning to drugs/alcohol and no one being there to help. She wasn't "cured" or "redeemed" at the end of Wandavision. She left to wallow in her grief. Instead of getting better, she embraced her worst tendencies. She came back with a vengeance.
True, but i think they should have shown a little more about how reading the Darkhold corrupts you. We knew from watching “Agents of shield “, and wandaVision, but it’s not explained in the movie enough,
He said Falcon and Winter Soldier "didn't work"!?!?! Omg 😱 I love that series
Right??
he also said wakanda forever was one of the best 😂 so who can trust Ryan Arey 🤷🏻♂️
It all comes down to personal preference. But with how much Disney was forcing out the movies and shows; it’s meh to say it was all good. But eh if you like it. You like it.
@@buzzlightyear4623 I definitely liked Namor Been wanting to see him I think alot can be done with the character but not having Chadwick was a huge bummer.
I think they’re referring to FATWS having to do a lot of reshoots. I liked it a lot and I think Ryan liked it when they did weekly episode reviews, as a whole it wasn’t as good as it could’ve been.
Hearing that Ryan doesn't like Man of Steel is oddly devastating. But I will admit, I am heavily swayed by a movies score and Zimmers MoS score is incredible.
Man of Steel is awesome. Ryan is incorrect.
I completely agree with your Chapek theory. I heard rumors swirling early on in his tenure that he was tightening the reigns on Feige and it resulted in this microwave Marvel model that we’ve been experiencing for a bit.
Messed up. Killing the goose that lays golden eggs.
That makes sense.
We can have both..... Why not just have both?
Because reality doesn't work like that. Have you seen DC's overall sales compared to Marvel's?
@@kevrokka.d.9749 Im not a CFO for either..... Im not concerned
It’s simply fascinating to me that in 2022, Marvel managed to make an entire show where the star is a total newcomer to acting and still made it work ridiculously well.
Hell they made a movie where a main character was played by a newcomer as well.
I don’t know, I just think it’s cool to see roles be portrayed well by people we never expect.
Are u talking about Namor or Kang?
@@GODsoN_216 Neither. I’m actually referring to Ms Marvel and America Chavez, but Namor and Kang fit my comment perfectly!
Ms Marvel is the worst thing Marvel has ever put out
@@ZenithAngel I beg to differ.
They are different things. Not everything has to be a competition.
Strongly agree
Except they're businesses at the end of the day so it is indeed a competition.
I think DC is on the rise. I think if Marvel focusses on quality over quantity and if DC also focus on story and plot and character over just the darkness and violence and cliches we've had so far I think they could both do very well
Given that Marvel is already slowing down the number of releases, I think they’re already gonna be fine. Feige has a much better mind on looking at where the winds are blowing.
I would really like this kind of win-win-win outcome. Win for Marvel, Win for DC, win for fans. I also hope the same for other mega franchises like Monsterverse, Star Wars, and Middle Earth, too.
lol cliches. like this opinion?
@@CaptainPikeachu except Fiege has nothing to do with the slowing down of the phases.... I love when people who have no idea what they're talking about try to blindly place faith in people. Bob Igar is back in control and is all about money. aka slow shit down so there are larger windows for people to buy shit up. Not that the market was oversaturated they didnt rake in millions off of each project so now they are going to slow down and milk everything.
@@121Greenthumb the opinion became a cliche because it's true. I criticised Marvel AND DC but I guess you're a Snydercult member who can only see from one angle. "MARTHA!" and jars of piss... Come on man...
Superhero films are very much a genre. Like war films, westerns, musicals, etc. people grow tired of the genre. They just do. Superhero films, like all the aforementioned genres never completely disappear, but they don’t come around 10 times a year.
I think the reason Thur Love and Thunder was disappointing is because we all expected it to equal Thur Ragnarok which was really good, and it just wasn't anywhere near it
The MCU is fine lol. DC's cinematic universe will finally also be entertaining and comicbook fans will have lots to get excited about. I wonder what the narrative will be when GOTG3 does well and is a well made movie 🤔
Those reviews are saying great things about GOTG3!! Glad to see that ahead of Gunn making his move over to the dcu
I feel the issue post EndGame is the fact that people got a huge pay off for years of build up and forogt that we had some Stinkers along the way (Hulk, The Iron-Man Sequels, Thor the Dark World!!! Age of Ultron(would be a better film if elements where explained in the film and not filled in later because somebody wanted to write a Buffy movie)), so now that we're in a building phase people think "the qualities dropped".
What didnt help was the first film of Phase 4 being Spiderman No Way Home, another big climax (not of Spidermans story but of this chapter of his story) that also heaped on nostalgia which got people to celebrate and reminisce (much like End Game did), which set the wrong tone for the Phase because now people are expecting solo films to be just as grand and amazing.
Throw into the mix the fan speculation for multiverse film to basically cameo EVERYONE (MoM had an all star Illuminati giving fan casting and fan requests to the screen and people STILL complained because batman didnt show up), and people are getting upset.
Conversely, the expectations for a DC film right now are almost non-existent (Black Adam helped that alot after all the energy they put into promotion) so if this movie is so much as OK people are going to be blown away by the improvement and for a short while will believe that DC is coming for Marvels crown, which in reality will just make Marvel get serious and maybe start pandering to easy demographics again
No way home was the third film in phase 4. Eternals and Black Widow came before that.
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Then. Stop. Watching! You don't need to read all the comics. You don't need to watch all the shows or movies. Interact with what genuinely interests you & make content about that. If it feels like homework then your mindset needs to change, not the content 🥰
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Hey man, literally never made a comment on RUclips, but I really enjoyed this video with different perspectives. As a superhero movie fan I appreciate you being open and honest with reviews. Obviously not every movie is an Endgame level movie, but as y’all talked about every movie can hold its own theme and tell its own story. We as fans just want to see good stories like y’all talked about. I appreciate you talking about the good and the bad instead of just agreeing with movie because it was marvel. Love the work you do!
You are not alone, I loved Quantumania. Me and my fiancé saw it 3 times in theatres 😂 I think the tough critic reviews really hurt it’s box office appeal, but over all, the folks in my circle agree that it was a pretty good movie and personally I loved it I thought it was good fun.
Imagine if Flash accidentally crossed into the MCU.
Naw y’all keep the pedo shit over there
@@MrPatt-vg5bu okay, well obviously, but if they replaced Ezra, I'd love a crossover event
imagine if blue's clues accidentally got into dora
Inevitable. It will be the thing that happens before they stop making these. Like Westerns before them. There will probably still be good superhero films - like how there are good recent Westerns (Unforgiven - did I say recent?, Magnificent 7, Yellowstone & it’s spin-off).
EDIT: on cue, host spoke about Westerns and how he hates the comparison.
That actually did happen in the comics😅
As long as Warner Bros in charge, DC will always find a way to screw it all up.
WB is no longer in charge of DC.
DC is now a separate studio. So...
WB is not incharge of DC anymore . DC is a separate studio just like new line studios under WB .
Well you got good news…
Not like Disney is doing anything good since 2020
First off... Ryan. Can you give Doug a hug for me?
Secondly... 14:48 I Totally Agree W You Ryan!!
Last thing we see of wanda in her show was her using the book to try and find her kids as the scarlett witch. She wasnt reset for the MOM.
The hiring of Gunn by DC was to plant the seed for a Marvel DC crossover.
Now that, would be awesome! Shame that they've killed off/retired most of the legacy Marvel characters though.
@@gedaliaw half of JL members are in jail
Love Colton and his very reasonable takes on things. Please invite him to every reaction/analysis video!
Thank you!
What the DCU needs is to learn from "Green Lantern." Despite all the many, many flaws in that movie, it did--to me--have one thing going for it: It was actually a comic book turned into a movie. It looked like a comic, it moved like one, it had a certain lightness of spirit that too much of the DCU ignores (how many Chris Nolan style superheroes do we really need?). Yeah, in most ways "Green Lantern" sucked, but in the ability to translate the feel of a comic to the screen, it was actually a success. Now if DC can learn how to take that while leaving all the other problems (GL, Zack Snyder, MEANINGFUL scripts, etc.), you'll probably have something worth seeing.
8:10 This is a theory I've been tossing around a little bit and have been getting push back on, so it's nice to see someone I respect so much agree with me. It just all seemed too coincidental to me that as soon as Iger stepped back in suddenly we were seeing big changes at Marvel.
i’m so tired of this mcu hate literally everywhere
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Exactly, it's stupid and childish
To be fair to Kang, Scott Lang beat Kang that was in prison with limited powers.
Phase 4 was a mess due to lack of direction. I was getting so excited for all these films and Shows due to the volume of potential characters and storylines. We had the introduction of the Young Avengers, the Midnight Suns, Multiverse and Mutants. Unlike Phase 1-3 there was no end goal just kept throwing more and more. I agree that they need to reign some of this back in.
The best thing for the genre is getting taste makers like Gunn/Fiege/Filoni to come in and give them full control of the sand box.
Did he just say She Hulk was a solid show?? Oh, Ryan..
Losing credibility every time he says it
@@brianjohnston5221 😅😅
His nose is so brown it looks gangrenous
No.
Not supporting this actor's projects anymore.
Which one ? Ezra miller or Jonathan majors ? Or both
Apparently innocent until proven guilty means nothing in this country anymore.
@@purnenduray1130 Ezra.
@@121Greenthumb Ezra drunk and attacking that girl on video and their multiple subsequent arrests are enough for me to decide not to contribute my money to their personal fulfillment. If they want me to do that again, they're going to need to do some damage control and I don't see any damage control, I see WB enabling them.
@@jsb331 LOL clearly you haven't been paying attention.... Ezra is in rehab seeking out therapy. Not everything needs to be some big speech with a half hour news coverage. Also it's literally a version of damage control to make a small statement and then keep quiet. that's quite literally damage control. Making the person go to rehab and therapy is damage control. Do you understand words? Also good for you... Miss out on the flash movie.... doesnt affect me. Doesn't bother me. You're missing out. Like would you rather they just cancel the movie and scrap everyones position?
7:23 Time Stamp..."I think I'm alone here. But Ant Man 3 was my favorite out of the series." Yeah, buddy. You are (ALL) alone.....I'm talking Tom Hanks arguing with a vollleyball alone.
25:45
this sounds familiar
the going without a script thing
recently I was trying to look up stuff that was coming out or in production around the time of the 2007/2008 Writer's Strike. And you mentioned Iron Man going mostly without a completed script. I think I saw something about it maybe being affected by the strike via asking ChatGPT if it has any articles on that. Unfortunately all or most of the articles it sent me led to pages that don't seem to exist anymore or even be around. I tried putting those links in the wayback machine and can't seem to find anything. I found an article from collider on how it got made, but not much specifically talking about being affected by the strike.
Does that mean Erza Miller is still going to remain with a job and not get fired like Johnny Depp?
Of course especially if the movie make banks they didnt fire him then won’t fire him now or later
As long as he genuinely cleans up his act, I'm for it
@@PaganMinDNW he should be in prison and not above the law but that thanks to people like you who will overlook criminal behavior for a “good time”.
@@MrPatt-vg5bu people like you who hyperfixate on people like Ezra should be monitored too. You're usually just as bad or worse since you care too much like rightists care too much about lgbt people
Surprise Amber Heard and Ezra Miller are the same person in disguise.
I think the MCU is fine, it’s maybe just a bit of burn out. If the MCU actually just pulls back and puts out less content I think they’ll be fine. Actually, when they finally introduce the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and some other more well known characters again they’ll be back.
They’re already slowing down on content and holding back releases, so they’re likely gonna do just fine in steadily building what they need
Just a few years ago it seemed like, “MCU is never going to end!” Every movie was better than the 1 before it. And they still hadn’t introduced those MAJOR characters you mentioned. I’m actually glad they have this rough patch/inflection point. Retool, find their mojo again. Meanwhile DC gets to play. I love it.
I'm over it. Waiting for a reboot. This stuff is already too contrived it's all set ups of set ups for another set up.
Exactly. This saga will pick up too. As phase 5-6 pick up, you'll see more team ups through like with phases 2-3 leading up to Infinity War/Endgame.
They can't push characters that don't resonate with fans down our throat as the faces of the product. Reed and Doom need to be front and center in Secret Wars.
I can't stress enough how important Spider-Man is to the MCU too. Regular/non hardcores all know Spider-Man and the last one was one of the biggest movies in history (despite no Chinese opening). I'm sure we'll see Spider-Man 4 announced soon but there isn't a ton to be excited about until Cap 4 (even that, we need to see more to really get excited about it) after Guardians
The problem isnt too much content.
Doug!!!😂 that "....sorry" 👌🏿 You killed it my friend! With just one word you killed it!!😂😂😂I laughed so hard I almost fell out ok chair!
Bruh😂😂
Adam brought up a great point about in NWH none of the villains had any emotional impact on the MCUs Spider-Man, but I want to take it a step further.....
"Our" Peter went out of his way to try and redeem the villains (Doc Oc, Sandman, Lizard, Electro) but the were already redeemed in the previous movies. Even though Doc Oc died, he chose to go out saving people. Sandman and Lizard were redeemed or "cured" in Garfield's movies as well 🧐
After I watch all the others guys videos (Heavy spoilers, reel rejects, den of nerds, everything always… Etc..) I always cap it with SCREEN CRUSH!. I reallly enjoy your breakdowns keep it up… juicy out
No way. I'm way more of a DC superman fan. I like so.e of the marvel movies and was always envious and jealous of their success. We had the Nolan trilogy but then the wheels fell off with Zack terrible interpretation of superman. Marvel still has its golden goose, the X-men.
They do, but they would rather crack lame jokes and put out a sh*t ton of stuff which is hard to keep track and top it off with weird cgi.
I think DC can catch up to their success in coming years or even overtake it if MCU continues down their current path.
Weren’t Loki, WandaVision and Captain America & The Winter Soldier also Phase 4?
This situation is the _exact_ cross-pollination of goals and effort that the superhero genre needs.
I always wanted Christopher Nolan to direct secret wars.
I'd also love Nolan to direct Avengers: The Kang Dynasty as well😃
I liked Peacemaker
A lot of good points in the conversation! I definitely agree with most of them. My biggest upset with marvel post endgame is what you guys touched on: the drastic shift in Wanda between WandaVision and multiverse of madness. I still overall like multiverse of madness but my first watch in theaters I was so mad they did her dirty like that lol so totally agree here and I hope marvel learns from their mistakes and take what works and grow from it!
Great points regarding both the mcu and dceu. I think people forget that phase 1 and 2 had some stinkers too. I just think there is too much material right now.
what he said about putting character first is kinda what made Picard S3 work. It was a great plot sure, but the made those character moments shine above else
Adam and Colton’s final thoughts were pretty on point
Colton is always so well kept and hygienic. It’s hard to disagree with his observations and opinions.
I just don’t get why we need an echo series. I can’t see the character being utilized in any movies so why spend all that time on what essentially is a small side character who at the end of the day people will only watch cause they hope daredevil will be in it. They should have just continued her arc as a side character in the new daredevil series
You can't even ask this question until WB goes 15 years with all successful movies and that all connect cohesively together. Right now... it's like comparing a car that runs, to a dead battery that doesn't even have a car to go in. Uncomparable
A multiverse of corporate madness
What is with all the hate towards the MCU from this channel? Everyone is so offended that the MCU isn't as incredible as Avengers IW/EG... yeesh.
You have to admit it's going down hill really fast for the MCU.
@@JB-1138 it really hasn’t
@@JB-1138 no, that's just morons buying into doom posts like this. Just like the Star Wars morons that have been begging for KK to be fired since TLJ. Guess what HASN'T HAPPENED and ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
My suggestion to people that dislike this stuff....STOP WATCHING. No one at the studios are going to cater to you and your whining.
@@JB-1138 It's just oversaturation and too many C List characters. An easy fix.
Because people cares
They loved it, but now are disappointed, got letdown again and again
Terrible characterization, rushed VFX, dull stories, and sometimes mixed with forced jokes and politics that took you out of everything
Although a few are wishing everything to collapse, most people still had hopes
Oh Ryan.. You should know that every comic in DC and Marvel have different tones all in the same universe. Which.. is like real life!! You can't have everything dark all the time, and you can't have everything dark all the time!!
i love the MCU and u guys gave voice to the thoughts and 'mid fatigue' as u guys sed. im ok with the DCU, its just a little dark for me.
The MCU is absolutely fine. It's a section of the fan base that is problem. There are also some very selective memories about how good phases 1-3 are. RDJ is so good as Tony Stark that people have fond memories of Iron Man 2 and 3, but... nah, come on now! Thor: The Dark World is way better than what Phase 4 projects exactly? Is the 2008 Hulk really a must-see on anyone's rewatch list? Infinity War and End Game were unreal, but the expectation that what comes after should be on that level is such an insane take when nothing before it was at that level. It is such an unrealistic desire that those people will always be disappointed.
There are some problems with Phase 4, but other than some CGI issues and a little burnout from constant releases, none of it would have been handled much better, if at all, in Phase's 1-3 had situations like the pandemic or Chadwick Boseman's passing happened. They also did not have the pressure of following the MCU without Tony Stark, Steve Rodgers or Natasha Romanoff.
Like I said, there is a section of the fan base that is the issue. A tiny percentage are probably the same people who get angry about more women and people of colour appearing in Star Wars - if you got offended by She-Hulk, you should probably do some soul searching - but in most cases it's silly expectations or specific desires. The people who think Daredevil must always be depressingly serious. Or the people that want so many characters to appear in Secret Wars that no actor will get more than 90 seconds of screen time. Then there are the people who say that the Council of Kangs post credit scene was better than the whole of Quantamania. I cannot even describe what a stupid mindset that is to have. Trust me when I say, I have asked around a dozen or so people who I personally know that saw the film, and only one person actually knew what that was from the comics. Many MCU fans have never read the comics.
I am excited about DC because I always preferred their comics growing up, and I loathe the Snyderverse. So I am very excited to see what happens there. I may even grow to prefer it to the MCU. But the MCU has been, is, and will continue to be, good-to-great.
Totally agree
Amen!!!
I feel like I’m the only Marvel/MCU fan that’s looking at all this rationally . I think for sure phase four was mid but I didn’t expect it to be spectacular due to knowing phase four is like a reboot of the tone and it’s basically a new phase one. My expectations were lowered after watching WandaVision which Disney promoted as a House of M event . House of M it was not. It was more a precursor that fits within the current iteration of the MCU. 😊
Exactly, I think by the end of phase 5 everyone is gonna be locked in👀🔥
No. You can’t give Gunn credit for the flash, it was basically done before he even got hired. It’s Andrés Muschietti all the way!
I didn't give Gunn "credit for Flash." Muschietti deserves all the credit. In fact I said that the new DCU is very fortunate to have this film. I did however see some things that I think Gunn may have put in for future installments of the DCU, minor things.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that Gunn had some influence on the final cut of the flash. He may even have been influential in more ways than that. It’s not like they just hired him to run a studio with out a lengthy lead up to making that choice. I bet Gunn at least offered some notes or consulted on the script at some point. Great points Colton! Glad to see you showing up more often!
@@batmanwins5701 nope 👎
Because they shot most of it prior to gun and Zaslov saw the film before Gunn was hired, and said the same thing everyone is saying now.
Don’t you remember when he canned batgirl? That was pre Gunn.
@@ColtonHere haven’t seen the movie. “Minor” additions is not enough to give him any stamp on the project. That’s disingenuous! Especially since you as commentators, pundits, people of RUclips should be putting Muschietti’s name first and foremost.
Rewatch your own footage. You talk more about Gunn than the screen writer, producers, and even the director who actually made this film.
Not lambasting your intent but as this has how many views you have a responsibility to put the actual creative’s name first and foremost as opposed to some new hire hype man. I get it algorithms but say his name! This is Muschietti’s triumph. Don’t make him share that shine with someone who is the least involved. For god sakes Safron had more to do with this film than Gunn.
The more the MCU gets developed, the more it will be like the comic book universe. Impossibly complex, but glorious! :)
RIP MCU, and good riddance! Marvel hasn't been good since Ironman 3. It was already over.
I REAALLY want to see an adaptation of the hawk world miniseries. it's the perfect origin story that could lead into him coming to earth
Talking about Fiege's White Board.
I assume his Office is The Volume and that The white Board is all he sees for 360 degrees.
Not at all. MCU set of characters is just deeper than DC. I don't think MCU will be able to top the first 3 phases, and james gunn gives DC a huge boost, and will make marvel put out a better product, but nothing will top phase 3 of MCU as far as revenue goes. But we will see, regardless I'm super excited about all the DC and MCU movies coming out in the future
Secret Wars will make a lot of money.
This is the problem. MCU has been putting out hit after hit, even phase 4 there was Shang Chi, Spiderman NWH, WandaVision, etc. And although there are a few that weren't up to expectation I'd say there's also this strong new "hate" trend that's blowing it out of proportion. YET DC has yet to put out a single good movie yet & the question is being asked if they're taking over?!🤦🏻 Even if they put ONE good movie out, let's wait for a few before we crown them. So bizarre! Think of the hate the MCU would get if they continued to work with someone like Ezra & all the messed up stuff they've done.
I think DC has already several good movies but I agree with your overall sentiment.
@@silentsaturn7604Black Adam was better than Shang chi. Marvel whole phase 4 was 🗑️
Its As you stated before MCU needs to do more street level like what we got in Hawkeye. Until you said that I did not realize that is why loved that show so much
Hardcore fans MAY watch this...but because of the actors involved and the bad cgi affects, this movie is going to BOMB in sales. But mostly the actors gross us out
Assuming people know or care about Miller’s antics.
Leave the MCU ALONE
Am I the only one who would love a shot of Cavill's Superman flying off into space, earth in background, smiling at the camera?
That homage would be a bittersweet but epic "goodbye" to the fans. Proper closure.
As a diehard MCU fan, the reason I became diehard in the first place was because the MCU led with character. I loved Ms. Marvel, Ryan, as I did all of the Disney+ shows(even those with plot problems due to reshoots etc.) Because they all led with character. The cracks I see appearing are in the heavy plot driven narratives with a lot of flash that seem to leave character behind... Antman Quantumania for example, and even Multiverse of Madness which as you said Ryan, ignored the beautiful character arc of WandaVision. If they can return to character they'll be in a better place IMHO.
Oh, Ryan! She-Hulk was good and faithful to the comics/graphic novels? The showrunner said she disliked She-Hulk, didn't bother to read anything, when all she needed to do was adapt the Dan Slott run. The MCU has this insane idea that if they hire people who hate Marvel characters they'll get a good show. They also think people will watch a show that's pure garbage without a coherent story or a protagonist you care about if they throw Daredevil in and set-up a bunch of tie-ins. She-Hulk is a great hero and an Avenger who dies fighting Thanos and then dies again fighting the Cotati, and while each time Jen Walters dies and goes into an underworld she can return to life via a Green Door, things are not as they seem, because each time she's lost something; she's not just much darker, she's more dangerous and more uncontrollable than Bruce Banner's worst version of the Hulk. The She-Hulk the MCU showrunners created has nothing to do with the actual character; they merely exploited her for their own petty purposes and turned a great hero into the most shallow narcissistic jerk imaginable.
Man I wish we cared as much for this as we should for the victims that get to have this rub in their faces
I believe that dc is on the rise and will replace Marvel
hard. marvel has a lot of groups to introduce. F4, Xmen, inhumans, even the eternals if redone well
@@droskie5 now that is 100% true but same with dc they just haven’t had chance make great movies
😂😂😂
A groomer pedophile company will never replace the wonderful art of Marvel
No they won’t replace Marvel, Never!!
I don't think the Jonathan Majors case was dismissed. I haven't heard that and couldn't find anything about a dismissal
There is so much I need to catch up on streaming. But I’ll see if I’ll go. Most likely tho.
Why do y’all keep promoting a child predator/groomer and woman abuser? Gross.
Who are you talking about?
@@TChalla616 They're referring to Ezra Miller.
@@TChalla616 that disgusting man Ezra Miller. He’s a horrible person.
One movie isn't going to fix that dumpster fire of a dceu. Marvel is looking worse lately .. but we can't just say it's over. Heck we don't even know if Ezra is even acting anymore
Oh they will keep the pedo especially if this movie hits
Quantumania signage at the theater only came down 4 days ago here in Orlando
Agreed. It played in Portand, OR for two months. Certain markets must have gotten yanked, but definitely not all. Also, compared to the first two Ant-Man movies, the international box office was horrible. 2/3rds of the first two movies' box offices were from outside the domestic market, and only a little over half of the third movie's was. The third one made around the same as the second one domestically. I would like to better understand why that happened.
@adamlancegarcia misses the point of No Way Home completely. Yes, the movie plays on nostalgia but at its core, it's the best Spider-Man movie made.
The trilogy had shown incremental growth with Peter. The first act of No Way Home was a great set up. Set the stakes at almost a grounded level. Yes Peter is "outed" but he is supported by those around him. He makes mistakes.
As act two comes into focus, Peter grows. Continues to understand the weight of his role as the true successor and even a better version of Tony.
May dying and the subsequent JJJ monologue was one of the best scenes in a comic movie. It was just a gut punch. You feel the anger, sadness and pure agony in Peter (Tom Holland is incredible).
Then the final scene where Peter decides the right moral decision is to not wrap up MJ and Ned in his life. It will only put them in danger.
I can't wait for the reset in Spectacular Spider-Man. It has the potential to be the best Spider-Man movie in history.
Your final thoughts were perfect though. People will come if movies are good. Hell, they'll come if you just bring characters back that they know. Transformers, Minions, Fast and Furious. They all open. Huge. If you're fast tracking Shang Chi, The Eternals, She Hulk and Shuri to try to replace freaking Cap, Iron Man and Black Panther, they're doomed to fail.
They need Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and X-Men bad
I couldn't agree more. His perspective on movies reminds me of someone who spends 75% of the movie playing on their phone, and then complains about not understanding what happened.
The most dissapointing projects for me were Dr Strange 2 and Thor.
Wow - you're being way too generous ... Marvel quality largely tanked after Endgame ... bad acting, bad plots, bad cgi, bad action choreography
I mean you're so generous, you liked your own comment. 🤷♂️
Yeah but they are holding an ace up their sleeve, The X-men
@@silentsaturn7604 Objectively - I thought it was a pretty great comment :) - borders on poetry
People are wearing rose tinted glasses on the pre-Phase 4 MCU.
bad acting bad action???? phase 4 has some of the best actors introduced and the best acting ever and the action is better than anything in the mcu
Colton looks like he is at the top of his game! He is so on top of things He doesn’t even have a basement at his house, just a warm and loving wife.
I wish I had a basement though!
Love you man! Glad to see you in more of these vids❤️
Hi ScreenCrush. I'm sorry if I have not been commenting lately. I have been busy and/or Procrastinating. But anyways nice video. And I'm seeing Guardions of The Galaxy Vol. 3 in 5 more days. I hope you review that movie soon.
Ms Marvel wasn't ever setting up the clandestines to be the major villains. they were a plot device to introduce the fear element for civilians and to appease the idea that every hero has a counterpart of equal or greater power. Lets be real, if Damage control were the only bad guys, there would be infinitely more complaints about the show because there is a clear power imbalance. I agree that they could have had a better resolution but at the end of the day, they were the subplot and should not be treated as the focal point of the show.
I've said this a few times now, but having DC eventually becoming the Top Dog in making great Comic Book Movies/TV Shows or at the would be a good thing for the overall Comic Book film genre as a whole.
Because having both Marvel and DC creating fantastic Comic Book stories will make the genre stronger than ever before, as it will unite the fans like me who love both Marvel and DC for the foreseeable future.
Thats a very long shot. With the somewhat exception of the batman movies, DC is like 20+ yrs behind
Am I in the minority believing Wandavision to be one of MCU’s best? I felt that set her up amazingly well for Multiverse of Madness. There’s no dissociation with her character between both films 😒
I think time and hindsight will do for phase for what it did famously for the Star Wars prequels and even the other phases of marvel. I think a lot of people have forgotten that not everything marvel did before now was pure gold..
Also, expectation is the root of all disappointment. I dare to say at first watch I didn’t enjoy infinity war because I had my own rigid expectation of what it was going to be.. and isn’t that what we all do? Phase 4 is going in different directions in genre and when it’s the most unexpected is when it is the most controversial e.g. WandaVision and SheHulk.
The point about the practical quality decline is fair, but it is what it is