The End Of The Car Tuning Industry? | Workshop Update No.55
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Performance car specialists are being fined for tuning cars. Could this spell the end for tuning shops, that offer certain modifications?
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I've been watching this channel religiously for a long time now, I love it. Thank you.
Agreed on the rant. Perhaps tuning shops could insist customers sign a detailed disclaimer, promising that they will not use it on the road/will not do 150 on the bypass/will slow down outside schools and old peoples' homes and so on before releasing a vehicle. I know it would feel a bit daft, but if it saves getting prosecuted, might be worth considering. Re. Rick's analogy with the barman, in the US, bar staff can be prosecuted if they serve drink to someone who is intoxicated. The world's going mad. What happened to personal responsibility?
Seriously tuners should get a class action through a company like Dalton White and challenge this in the courts.
"If" I ever get a speeding ticket. I'll blame the car manufacturer for selling me a car that can exceed the speed limit.... sounds like the perfect out
@@RedBatRacingYou and me both.
This is the rule for the UK... Can a pub serve a drunk person?
It is an offence to sell alcohol to a person that is already drunk. You can also refuse entry to the premises to a drunk person, with door staff able to assist should they be employed.
I 100% agree with you Rick, too many helmets out there who say they are vehicle repair specialists or tuning specialists. With no training whatsoever. How is this regulated! It’s not! I have to spend the best part of £15,000 each a year on training my techs and even more to Develop them to Master Tech’s. There is continuous Development In Place every year to learn about the latest repair methods. I get questioned daily about why i charge for diagnostic work. Apparently all i do is plug in a diagnostic laptop and it tells me what the problem is. If it’s that easy why don’t you fix it yourself is normally my response. But Freddy who got a Halfords Socket set and eBay scanner for his 18th Birthday is allowed to work on these vehicles without as much as a RUclips Video on how to fix a problem. Anyone looking to prosecute someone with a Penis & Balls Map i’d be asking them what their level of vehicle knowledge is. Has the judge got an Advanced Automotive Engineering Qualification probably not. If i purchase something from you or any other Vehicle Tuning Company and use it in an illegal state that is my fault and my fault only. I’ve been the knob who committed an offence. Not the person selling it to me. Does that mean if i buy a car that is capable of more than 70mph and get caught speeding, is that the fault of the manufacturer? NO! Best of luck pal and ensure you have a disclaimer signed on every invoice paid for. Rant Over, I’m now wound up for the entire day 🤣👍.
you speak so much sense. so glad i grew up in the 80s
Been in the motor trade and completely agree. The industry is so unregulated. Anyone with a bag of spanner’s can ‘rebuild’ a wrecked car. Seen some horrors in the past
Had that kind of wear on a few BMW M and S 1000rr's cavitation caused by air pockets in the oil bursting under pressure and taking away material from the shells, like you say that's usually caused from oil degregation and or to high RPM/ overspeed. We were told by BMW to increase the bearing clearance so a thinner walled bearing to increase the oil film between crank and bearing
Totally agree with you on this rant Ricky .. I’ve been ranting about it for years , being a master tech myself , we need more regulation in the trade to stop anyone opening a garage door and charging to fix a motor . Well said sir👍
Always love the rants. You are so right on this point.
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
Ricky on the R8 bearings, Acidic oil contamination I’ve seen this years ago on laid up cars where when they have not done much milage but the car has been stood the oil as it ages turns acidic and eats the shells.
i could seriously listen to rick all day
Perfectly valid point Ricky. 👍
The only way forward is to get a disclaimer signed by the customer to accept the responsibility of operating the vehicle after illegally after any modifications have been made.
The authorities going after the businesses that tuned these vehicles need to look at better regulations and training of the whole industry - there are some terrible sub standard and dangerous practices that need addressing first.
Totally agree 100%
Spot on rant, Rick! 👏👏👏
Totally agree with what you’re saying 👍💯
Totally agree with the rant!
Great rant Ricky 👍
Looks like a fun shop to work with.
brilliant pertinant rant well said
100% correct in everyway 👌
Great video as always... thanks for reading out my message....yourat to Karl San about his Japan trip was so funny, I nearly fell off the treadmill at the gym as I listened...😂
Your rant is spot on me old mucker😎👌
Mate I 100% agree
I Owen a garage you see some right shit!
Badly repaired shit!
There 100% should be more checks on garages
Cheers for answering Ricky, excited to see that thing up and running again at some point, love that model of rs4
Fully agree my Evora pops and bangs from factory.
Great , love it keep up the great work
As long as your insurance company has been informed of the mods and are happy I don’t see the problem there’s no laws I did a red top nova back in the day only thing my insurance company wanted was an engineers report to list the conversion and brakes and steering adequate
Totally agree with the rant 100%
In this country you have to tell the insurer about mods, it's their engineer that decides if they will insure it or not without any determination on the legality. Anywhere else that actually monitors this type of thing uses and MOT type system to approve e.g. TUV in Germany and many similar set-ups elsewhere in europe or " Engineering Approval" in Oz and NZ.
Totally 100% agree with your soapbox rant, the world has gone mad.
What you have done is open a big can of worms mate. And I appreciate what you are saying and totally agree with you and your attitude to business.
Hi Ricky, I had a job like that a little wile ago where the big end shells were pitted just like that and could not work out what the hell happened . Oil pump ok , oil level ok service oil change intervals up to date . After some research found out there was a very bad earth connection that created an arc that pitted the shells . Sorted out the bad earth. Engine rebuild after no problems. 😊
Remarkable!
well said..!!!
Thanks!
@@REPerformanceUK Spark Plugs Correct Torque: Finger tight then a quarter turn.
Decats I agree on for emissions but pops and bangs are surely the owners responsibility. Some exhaust systems for cars state there for track and private use only so what about those. It’s ridiculous Ricky. Keep up the rants love them all :)
Completely agree with you on all points! Good rants as usual!
I have new Fiesta ST and it pops and bangs in SPORT Mode. But it also comes with a RACE Mode. It has a little disclaimer when you put it in that mode, but we all know everyone who owns one will play around with it on the road... Difference between SPORT and RACE is the ESC is off in RACE and the dash has some pretty RPM lights and a shift indicator.
But the ESC can be turned off manually... so I'm braking the law by using RACE, but not if I use SPORT and turn off the ESC.
I fully agree with your rant. It seems like the UK government are trying the same thing the US government did with tuning companies over there. They fined a lot of companies for supplying customers with "off-road" use products that were fitted to road legal vehicle, which includes aftermarket ECUs, as part of the EPA's clean air act. When I saw/heard about that happening I knew it was only a matter of time before it hit the UK.
5:25. I bet this car had a bunch of cold starts or very short drives moving the car from one spot to the other. Most likely the oil rarely got up to temp and became acidic
As a landlord we are responsible for a customer who leaves. The test case was a young man upset left a pub, went to 3 other bars and was refused entry. He then took his own life by jumping in a river. All the bars were fined and had their licenses reviewed for not showing him a duty of care. Even though he never came in the premises.
100% correct on your rent absolutly correct.
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100 % right in everything youv'e said there ricky
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I’ve just bought a Macan GTS, can confirm that it has a pops and bangs map as standard from Porsche!
Lame
My neighbor has an Hyundai that also has fart mode from the factory. I love it when i drink my morning coffe on the balcony and he goes up and down the street. Going through first and second gear 94 times down 300 meters of the road.
Welcome to California... When i started Raver Motorsports in 1996, we had EVERY customer pull the license plates and sign a waiver that the car would not be used on public roads. We got called out on it once, and I made the same argument you did. Luckily the cop had some common sense and didn't push the issue. By CA law, we WERE liable. And yes, CA has a law that says if someone was drinking at your house, and you let them drive home, you are liable.
In NZ there is an engineering process for modifications and it works. You should go on a work trip to see Dodson and buy a Celica
Yes I agree, ive dealt with Chch Sockburn testing station and can thoroughly recommend the process. all my welds were inspected and mods were checked by an ENGINEER of similar experience to me and then it was signed off im more than happy with the process ..( remember NZ was famous for its n0 8 wire )
I love your knowledge - and your bobble hat 😊
I'd buy one
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Fully agree with the rant. Maybe to help Vosa and the Police you could get some dash stickers printed up saying “please drive your fast car to the speed limit at all times” 😊
fully agree. deffo the car owners problem not any business. love your rants :)
Love the rent. 100% agreed
Another excellent video and yes you are right to have a rant about injustice
Why should the car tuners be responsible for what customers do with modified cars, that is like asking you to police customers use
Here is a tip that we found works really well .
We keep getting customers with BMW M5 come in with the injectors stuck in the heads we found that if you pour coke into the heads and let it soak overnight you will be able to knock out the injectors in the morning.
💯 agree with the soapbox rant!!
😂 thanks
@@REPerformanceUKtbh at first glance I thought you were on a rant about the state of touring cars. Continuing on about areo ruining MotoGP. 😂 🤦🏻♂️
Correcto rick 👍👌💯
Its always been ge case that a ‘bar man’ has responsibility to stop serving a person inebriated…. Pubs and bars for get fined for behaviour of the customers.
But emissions, both sound and gasses is the line you cannot cross as far as the law is concerned.
The first engine I ever took apart the rod bearings had little holes in the bearings like pieces had flaked off. the Bearing would be silver and then it would have hole and copper showing. might still have them sitting around. but that motor had a bad head gasket when I got the car. Some of the bearings were also pretty far gone, and mostly copper, one of them was brand new it was the forth rod bearing
Adding lubricants to bolts (and spark plugs) that are not specified by the manufacturer just results in over tightened bolts and spark plugs!
If you follow the rated tightening torque you will over tighten them and that might result in failed threads in a head, seized bolts etc.
It’s only valid to use lubricant if the book tells you precisely which lubricant to use and the torque setting is quoted lubricated.
I’m told that tightening very high torque bolts in the oil and gas industry is sometimes done lubricated this way on very high pressure pipe junctions for example but the precise lubricant, method and lubricated torque are documented.
Exactly right, it’s why we use very specific and expensive grease on con rod bolts!
The personal responsibility argument is spot on. Have you heard of the the YT creator Blackbelt Barrister? That would be an interesting conversation between the two of you on the rights and wrongs from a business/moral/commonsense point of view vs a legal standpoint and now the precedent that has been set.
I bet that judge was a cyclist or a rambler. 😂
you are correct we should monitorerd like in germany
Ricky as much as I agree with you. The government are putting the liability firmly with the tuner. No disclaimer will cover that. They will just say if the car is taxed mot and insured it’s a road car. And you should check. Shit as it is.
100% agree on the rant, people need to take responsibility for their own actions
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Northern Ireland Mot tests are carried out by Government testing stations. No gamekeeper and poacher garages here.
When you can get a date that is! Totally agree on having government run stations being the best approach though. Pop and bang maps are just nonsense though and should carry the death penalty....
Great content as always Ricky. Question re bearing problem on the R8. I take it that the main bearings were ok. Why would it only affect the big end bearings. I get the different loads at work but wouldn't an oil prob affect all bearing surfaces ?
Ive seen similar on bearing shells when the owner of a car that he didnt use much, thought starting the car and running it at idle for 5 mins every week would be a good thing.(to help charhe his battery and get oil pressure) Condensation in the crankcase poluted the oil as it never actually goy up to temp and corroded the bearings.
I drive 1100bhp Nissan Gtr r35. Ive always loved cars. Bought my first car at the age of 14. I agree with you for the most part, however, performance car owners need to be more responsible and considerate. If you drive a car with a loud exhaust think twice before accelerating hard in a 30 limit, especially if there are houses and kids nearby. If it’s after 19:00 in evening don’t be accelerating hard near people’s houses and running pops and bangs maps. 9 out of 10 people do not want this going on outside their houses. It’s only going to result in complaints to the authorities and we are going to end up getting taxed off the road or changes to emissions, noise limits etc will mean use of our performance cars on the road will soon be a thing of the past.
100% agree with you. The judge's perspective is that you are an engineer who has been approached to drill out a starting pistol so now it can fire rounds. If you scratch a little deeper you see that the two situations aren't equatable. Seems like a lack of understanding in the powers that be, same situation with new tech legislation :/
What brand is that silver long toolbox and are they any good?
How much copper slip are u using? Clean the seat of the plug, a tiny bit of slip on the bottom thread or if you are that worried a conductive grease OR if the plugs get removed frequently dont worry
Ric, is it worth having the oil tested regarding R8 with bearing wear. Good blend of topic's ...really interesting 👍
My JCW does pops and bangs in sport mode from factory. And I love it…not the dealers fault if I use it…
Your mini has overrun burbles. Wayne in his Corsa has pops n bangz. Totally different ball game.
Hi Rick,
I was on holiday when I saw your carly review...I ordered one straight away.
Back off holiday and online looking for information on using carly when I came across a review by KIP HAKES... not good ,don't know how far you went into using scanner but just check out how comfortable you are with this, you don't want to get tainted if it is shite.
Steve.
Could it be possible be that the dip stick or oil filler cap seals are perishing and allowed condensation in?
On the rod caps and rod, where the surfaces meet was there any weird putting? Seen stretched bolts cause weird bearing wear. Or what I assume was stretched bolts, what get me is it must be happening on the exhaust stroke when piston gets to tdc.
If a car fails mot , the garage doesn’t have to insist it’s trailered away ! 😮
Ricky, I understand your rant, totally. In the USA as you are aware the EPA are targeting these tuners and the fines are massive.
The environmental improvements trying to clean up air pollution include improving emissions from ICE vehicles.
The UK has one of the most permissive countries in the world to allow individuals and businesses to work on cars and engines.
Germany you have change tyres every year, you can't fit non TUV parts.
As legislation tightens its emission levels are going to tighten... Engine builders and tuners will be restricted on what they will be able to do.
I love cars and engines but they will be legislated against and the screw will tighten and selling non homologated parts will result in court cases.
Change is a coming and it's not going to be pops and bangs all round...
Ermm You don't have to change tyres every year , you have to use suitable tyres for the weather , you can either have 2 sets one summer one winter or use "snowflake" marked all season tyres all year round , either way those tyres can be used for multiple years condition/wear based.
Don’t disagree with anything you said about tuning mate, but the part I think is missing is that nobody can self regulate any more, it’s the same as the stupid race fit exhausts and ‘growlers’ on bikes, people are obsessed with pushing things as far as they possibly can then moaning that they get fingered. I live near Thamesdown drive and honest it’s just traffic light Grand Prix and pops and bangs and totally straight piped cars… this doesn’t change your very valid point that it’s not YOUR fault, but I just think it is a dimension of the argument, that people just want to take everything to the extreme. Same as the pub thing, 5-6 pints with your mates, act like an adult, have a laugh and don’t end up tying up 4-5 nurses and admin at the hospital and they could treat people who are dying of stuff they didn’t choose. Not trying to be holier than thou, honestly not as I’ve got a pipe on my Ducati, but I just think we all have to act like grown ups then we don’t need people regulating the sh*t out of us
Your bang on lad! The worlds gone mad......
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Were heading for a German TUV type system here where you won't be able to do anything modification wise to a vehicle unless it meets their approval.
And agree with you totally about the government and business and what they rip people off for - your business rates are outrageous.
Pays for a few more boat people I suppose, because it surely isn't being spent on anything worthwhile with the state of this country.
Erm. business rates have nothing to do with "boat people" and the state of this country is mostly due to the way the economy has been driven into the ground since 2016 not misspending tax revenues ( with the obvious exception of the whole Covid PPE etc. scandal)
I’ve been paying very similar business rates since 2016…..brexit, tories, labour aside it’s money for nothing!
Basically another tax for being a business owner and job supplier!
Your right with the mot they have no responsibility as soon as u drive off there ramp if the wheel falls off there’s no fault on them so no wonder they don’t really bother or care and will take bribes to pass cars all they have to say is it was fine when I tested it and there covered
About the bearings, it looks like they drove too short distances, not enabling to heat up the oil (or the oil cooler is working too good) hence the moist or condense in the oil is eating into the bearings. They have to make sure the oil temperature is going beyond the water booling temp so it can evaporate.
Yeah I did think that! Does look like a degree of corrosion!
Did you send the oil off for a sample test?
I've seen fully synthetic that's been open soak up water and wreck bearings
R8 bearings look like a cavitation problem. Caused by either oil starvation, too high clearance or/and oil airation. Is the big end spun on the first journal that would suffer from oil starvation, in an oil surge situation for example ? My guess is hard track use causing oil surge, causing slight shell damage, causing oil clearance incease causing oil pressure loss causing shell failure/spin . Vicious circle of events.
Guys if your doing work on a road car that make it illegal you can only blame yourself. If the car turns up at the shop with an interior, stereo furry dice et all, you know it's used on the road.
The same criteria would apply for having a hydraulic hand brake, when it comes to mot
You missed out on window tinting companies doing front windows too dark, police only ever get the driver or owner to just remove the tint!
I used to do tinting, never did the front doors, the tinter will get slaughtered when there is a serious accident and the driver says I didn’t see because the tint on the window reduced my vision. When the s***t hits the fan always remember the customer will lie his arseoff, .
Welcome to the nanny state!!!
Years ago if you bought a crashed damaged car back, once fixed you had to get it inspected by VoSA, is that not the case any more?
I hate scalectric E.V. so called cars I hate those bleedin pissflaps on bikes they call aero wings but i love your rants and your expertise its a rare combination nowadays.LOVE ❤❤frm Dublin
I am late on this but the car with the bearing issues, did it run E85? That pitting can be common with an E fuel car that has oil contamination then sits for a bit. Start it, move, shut down before oil is at full temp and you burn the E off, absorbs water and you see the pitting (basically corrosion) in the bearing surface.
Ricky, Next time you get served a cup of warm milk, tell him to take it for a run round the block to build its strength up....
Totally agree mate, I know a guy who’s entire business is basically tarting up copart cars for traders to sell on
I was filling up recently & heard waaarp, pop, pop, bang, crackle. Looked round expecting to see a young lad, nope 2 coppers in an unmarked Hyundai i30N pulling in to the petrol station!
Totally agree pal, definitely not a rant!
I do have a question but it's for Kate (hiya Kate) do u miss Ricky when he goes away working (riding bikes) or are u glad of the space/free time (not that you'd get much with the kid's?
Hi Andy,
Yes we miss him when he’s away. Hectic family life. It’s a juggling act. We try to go to as many weekends as we can, but both our boys play football. So not always possible.
@REPerformanceUK I know u do the football bit (hate it myself) but didn't know if it was just a bit of a break. I know u still have to sort things with work despite the lazy sod skiving on holiday, sorry working 🤔 from experience the break can be welcome but also from experience reuniting can be bloody good too, lol 😆
Be very careful with disclaimers, they are handy for getting rid of the numpties but you cannot rely on disclaimers if you are going to court. It’s the minority of customers that make the job hard, if there is a trick in life it’s avoiding that 1%, Ricky seems to do a good job of avoiding them 😊
As for tuning, a lot of tuners are leaving the cats/opfs etc in and working around it.
Completely agree with your rant.
No your rant is totally justified. I'm guessing the magistrate live on a street where boy racers drive causing a noise nuisance.
Couldn’t agree more with the rant. Please, please get a soap box for the next rant😂
The thing is, car manufacturers have to make cars that fulfill emission standards and make provisions to prevent tampering with these is to ensure the vehicle will keep within emission standards for a specific time frame and distance traveled. You have seen what happened in Dieselgate when the manufacturers didn't do this properly. It has been many years since this legislation is in place. When a company manages to break the anti-tampering that manufacturers have to put in and knowingly modify the software (and/or hardware) they should obviously be aware that the vehicle will no longer fulfill the homologation requirements. Putting the requirement on the tuning companies to ensure that cars aren't used on the public road after the software has been modified is maybe a bit steep, but just for legal liability, I think it is fair to have the customer sign a waiver where they state that they are aware that the modification performed makes the car illegal to drive on the public road and that this modification will make the car be legal to be used on private grounds (track) only. They will have to also state that the company doing the modification will not be liable if the owner decides to break the law and if a magistrate decides they are, the customer will be fully liable for all costs and damages that the company performing the modification endures as a result of the customer breaking the law. It's not really what you want, but if you want to make money on putting pops and bangs on some barryboys shitbox, you will need to cover your behind....
Maybe defective bearings? Something wrong with the metallurgy? Just a guess. Interested to find the real reason for the problem.
Ricky for transport minister!
Just got out of motor trade for these reasons.
There is hardly any difference in the volume consumption of Proper OE brake hoses and Teflon, cheap after market rubber is a different matter. The advantage of braided for me is you good ones have stainless fittings. Downside is the fit/routing is not always what it should be. also whereas deterioration of rubber hose can be spotted early with teflon failure of the inner hose might well not be spotted till too late. The overbraid is just for protection not reinforcement . Fun fact overbraided teflon struggle to meet "heavy duty" specs some vehicle buyers have like Post-office type Kerb-bump test etc. As always if it seems to cheap to be real, it usually is.
Totally agree with you and they get the Needles from pharmacies and all alcoholics get extra money from benefits for the alcoho would as gone mad love your chanel keep up the good work 😊
Thanks for watching!!
people will always want to make their cars faster, I agree with your rant completely, If anyone is taken to court over a car it should always be the driver, if I drove a mates car and got pulled to find it has a bald tyre, the police would give me the points not the car owner, stating that it is up to the driver to make sure everything is legal before you drive. Why is a tuned car any different for any reason?
I drive a stage 1 tuned nissan juke nismo. you can find my build list on Eddie Antics.
I try to show on there, that you can have a fast modified car on the road while still sticking to mot rules, and therefor keeping the traffic cops from wrecking my night
agree with the rant from the point of the responsibility being the owner of the car... but pops and bangs can get in the fkin sea, i live in a residential area, its a 30 zone but its a big wide road that leads onto the A10 out of london, cars go through the speed camera 500m down the road, floor it and then ease off to go round the slight corner which is exactly where i live and you get a relentless pop and crackle throughout the night. Ive had cars where they pop occasionally on overrun because its had head work and cams (carbs and a dizzy) but the maps people put on make it sound like a spanner in a washing machine on a spin cycle going on for ages and it can f right off (even from factory).
Ive also bought and fixed up a Cat N car. i lost money on it because i went to extra lengths to make it perfect and im a hobbiest doing it on the driveway. but my neighbour has a car which is held together with wood screws.. as much as i love car modifying, i would be happier with TUV style system. I have an issue with people tinting their front windows as well but thats because i almost got taken out on my motorbike because they wern't looking an i couldnt see them to know if they had looked or not (which i do when riding around town because people pull out all the time)
“Still rumbled me” 😂 On a side note, can we turn upto REPerformance just like tourists turn up to tuners in Japan?
I live in Germany. Any modification to a vehicle needs to be documented on the vehicle paperwork and needs to pass the MOT. TUV..... Then it's legal.
As you just said it's fair in Germany
If you want to do major car mods in Oz the first thing you need to do is find an approval engineer to certify the finished vehicle and that cost serious money. All workshops are licensed and must have a minimum level of equipment and all technicians are licensed after an approved apprenticeship. Smashed write off's are put into a data base so they can be tracked but even with all the above the shonks still get away with selling cars that should be crushed.
The percentage of owners that get their cars is very low, there are so many people changing exhausts, tuning etc etc without even talking to an engineer so many of these cars would be illegal on the road but the industry isn’t as scrutinised in Australia as it is in other countries