Ben Hogan v Eureka
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2018
- Ben Hogan was one of the best ball strikers of all time. Look at the similarities between the Eureka move and the motion of a genius.
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Hi Steve
Probably the best summary of what you have been videoing on about 'Eureka' yet. IMHO this is why I say this:
1. You made the important point that a 'flatter swing plane' - your left arm at or below the shoulder plane is a key set position for consistent ball striking ( also helps keep right arm in correct position easier)
2. You made the (very) important point about standing more upright at address so that on downwards transition you can lower into the ball - rather than reach at the ball ( which you do a lot in previous videos btw -:);
3. You make the (very) important point that you must turn your upper body in the backswing to maintain connection between arms and body
4. You make it clear how much left buttock clearance is achieved in a proper 'squatted turn' - this clears the hips and promote a very solid strike position - with longer clubs and driver ideally almost hitting with right hip and right arm - if this is done correctly and the correct inside to out path is maintained - you can smash the ball as hard as you like with no fear of the dreaded pull left or hook.
I'd like you to move to explaining the correct subtle but important left arm rotation in the downwards transition - so that the Club head is not 'falling behind' as the hips and body turn - without the Club head ( more correctly Club heal) being rotated out into the inside to out path - the danger is that either players will slice - because the Club fall behind the body and hands have to play catch up (impossible) or just as bad, a bad hook or straight push right - if the Club head toe is thrown into the swing plane instead of the correct move which sees the heel of the Club lead into the inside to out plane in the downswing. *Note one of you viewers commented on the slice reaction to the Eureka move with driver....
My take on your Eureka swing is it allows a golfer to better control and understand the dynamics involved in using momentum and acceleration of the Club head into the ball without strain on the body - because you are setting up ( like Hogan and most great ball strikers or 'hitters') a proper counterbalance regime or opposing forces to control the speed of the Club head.
Thanks for taking the time to video your thoughts and explain them visually. It may be an idea to enlist a different type of 'body' to illustrate the same thing - maybe someone shorter and wider than yourself - :) - works just the same just wont look as elegant.
atb Pete
On every practice backswing in this 'Hogan' video, the shaft is below the shoulders, but during every actual full swing, Steve's shaft is clearly at the shoulders and parallel to them. The 'feel' is below the shoulders, but the 'real' is actually on the shoulder-line.
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Genius move,tried this on the course with no range time and wow,never struck the ball better,straighter,purer and further. I urge everyone to give this a go. Many thanks Steve,golfing saviour!!👍😀
dear Coach .. tQ for all the Eureka Moments golf .. I only adopted it yesterday and I hit 13/14 middle of the fairways from the tee + distance.
Will try more on the other shots.
tQ Sir.. from Malaysia.
Great stuff again Steve and well explained. Even mentioned my post questioning if you were using Eureka in the oncourse vlog with Dan? Cool! Getting more out of the Eureka move each video, thanks
Thank you got that coil feeling back😊
You’re welcome 😊
I liked much your Eureka after 4 weeks playing with. I'm improved at driver and irons now with Eureka. Thank you very much.
Brilliant! Great work...thank you
Thank you for sharing your Eureka moments Steve.This might not be for everyone, but it again illustrates that there are many ways to swing a golf club and it gives us a chance to enjoy the game we love.
can't wait to try this,
your lad looks about the age of my grandson. My son and i take him out on the course often.
Thank you again
I've been looking for this for years. Eureka!!
Thanks Steve. I’m going to the range today and will try this set up. I constantly have trouble keeping my shots straight no matter what club I’m using. I’ll give a follow up later.
Great video, great instruction, and very well illustrated. Wish I'seen this before. Anyway, never too late hey.
Definitely going to work on it. Really like the left arm lower in the back swing and alignment routine. Tk's Steve.
Thanks for the vids. Love your style of presentation and you are good at explaining your ideas. Have you been able to test your swing under pressure yet? and (sorry if you have already covered this) are you able to hit a fade from your setup? Thanks again.
Steve, great stuff mate. Can you please number you eureka vids from oldest to newest. Trying to follow these but getting confused as to where to start?
One of the great things I love about EUREKA is, with the body pointing essentially 3 different ways, it restricts the top and nearly forces me to go on a consistent plane every time. This Consistency has greatly improved my ball striking, which carries over to the rest of my game. Thanks again Steve.
Steve, Great stuff as always love your teachings on the youtube. Is the arm across the chest the same move for the driver?
Great analogy with Hogan’s swing which I have long admired. The left arm on or below shoulder makes perfect sense - also good point about turning the chest not just the arms. Terrific advice and wonderfully presented 😊
Your Wilsons sound awesome with that bad ass swing you got, Steve! Loving your content!
In Hogans book there a picture of him addressing the ball with an imaginary glass pane resting on his shoulders extending down to the ball with his head sticking through a hole in the pane. He goes on to say your hands and the club should never go above that imaginary pane. Another way to describe what we are seeing here.
Steve..I have studied this game for many year"s..And watched all the pro"s teachings,I have to say that in layman"s term"s,you are up there with Hogan in teaching...You have a Special tallant my friend....Love your channel
Very good again, Thankyou.
Been practicing this on the range for the winter the extra confidence it's given me is imeasurable
2ms in immeasurable tony lol
Love the Eureka series, an alternative view on the golf swing is a breath of fresh air....however can we please see you hit some hybrids,pitch shot,driver etc using the eureka setup? Interested to see if this method works right through the bag.Cheers Steve
Absolutely brilliant.
Congrats
Thanks Pablo.
Good stuff Steve.. must give that a wee try 👍
Gary Player mentions this in a youtube video when he is ' teaching' some young players. Keep the connection to the chest. Loving this videos and it's called a shooting stick for sitting on
Ben Hogan by his book did not have his stance as opened as you do with your Eureka moment. I personally like a closed stance with shoulder pointing right or towards my target. I then temporary rotate my shoulder more right to my target as I place my club head behind the ball directly to my target. I then take my perceived Ben Hogan swing allowing my nose to swing as well. Your set up seems opposite of mine. Are we having two different Eureka moments? I feel with a closed stance and a square club to my target; I have closed my lead shoulder; just enough to ever prevent a mean spin out to the left of my target. I am doing an extremely modified version of Atomic golf's Channel Lock. In my opinion; what you are doing is 100 recent geometrically correct and what I now am doing is also 100 percent geometrically correct; only with variance in our triangular set up and aiming at our target. Would you agree?
I'm definitely going to try this!
My goodness. Eureka. I am trying this this weekend. No wonder every time I set up for a fade on the course I hit it so nice. Plus not the most flexible golfer. This is how I am going to golf from now on I know it. Thank you for this.
Going to try that Steve, good striking and good video,just going to hit the subscribe button
Steve - great ideas on covering early extension and the squat move of Hogan . I am guessing you are about 6’ ft tall and this is a good way of helping control on strike and then can move onto club face control.
Re club face control it might be a good idea to cover awareness of grip styles grip pressure as every one seems to have a different take on this ( may have covered on previous vid) . Great stuff to get away from flipping the club .....,Keep up the Sunny videos
The woolly hat will probably return......
Fascinating...I see things through the lens of an ex tennis professional/teacher. This tantamount to the "open" stance forehand. Years ago, from an old school perspective, this would have been thought of as "Fundamentally Incorrect". But the modern game of tennis accepts the open stance as the default setup position. Are you someone who is ahead of the curve? Time will tell. Great analysis...this will force the hips to rotate. At the very least an excellent training thought/exercise. Thanks for sharing...SteveO!
Your best video yet imo ...
Steve do you allow your right arm to take over at the top of the backswing/ start of the downswing into the release zone, right inward throw release or are you still pulling with the left arm through. Great vid
This is what I do but this is slightly more refined...great job!
I have tried this and it's great
Thank you !! this is the missing instruction I needed
You’re welcome Michael
Thanks Steve. I for one through all my years of playing golf always struggled with getting through the ball with a good turn. I took this concept to the range last night and concentrated on the setup and simple motion of taking the club inside with an open stance to create massive resistance and forgetting the hands and arms let my body come through to where it wants to go with the setup open and I just want to say wow. Pure strikes with every club in the bag including driver. Thanks
Great stuff Steve, let’s see more from a face on view.
Nice Vid Steve. I think that the left arm across the chest also keeps the right elbow connected and under control.
Love the 'noise' - pure strikes!
Agree!
Used this for 2 weeks now and took 3 strokes off handicap in monthly medal.Eureka works, thanks Steve
As someone who has read 5 lessons and worked on implementing the concepts i appreciate your approach to clearing the lower body. I'm a left handed player and when i try to copy your move it produces a high fade. In order for me to draw the ball i have to close my stance and shoulder is left of target....i thought this was normal? Wondering why i cant draw it from eureka....btw, i really like the channel and content. Keep doing what you're doing.
I so need too get 3 alignment sticks I've been doing this move in my head and testing on course great really great stuff also will try and book a lesson with you soon 👍👍👍👉
Uhh.....3 clubs would work
Nice video. Question, are you trying to keep the club face square on your take away or letting it open to achieve that shoulder line. I have a problem of rolling my wrists open on the take away and wondered what you are feeling here.
Just found this channel amongst hundreds of others.... Sam Sneed, Tommy Armour and Mr. Hogan less so, had their left foot forward of the right. They played the ball a few inches back from their left heel. Shoulders down the line. Right foot splayed 45 degrees to the right. This allows the body to turn and have their backs to the target at the top of the swing. Maintaining your swing path with your shoulder tilt you can then really smack in behind the ball...Plenty of old footage of these guys on RUclips to confirm this.
As a tired old man of 69 , I thank you , I'm back in the fairways again. My golf partners had a snit and snicker for three holes. Then they had to try it. I sent them to you
Fantastic drill and tip Steve love all your vids keep up the great work best wishes from Orlando mate
Love it !!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Steve. Do you also consciously think about rotating the left wrist on the downswing, or just let it happen? Mark
Started using Eureka with driver. Fantastic. Just wondering how you hit a fade with Eureka swing ?
I used to be a four handicap to a six if I didn't play much, but always hit it straight - not real far, but straight. Guys kept telling me it looked like I had an open stance and then I tried to square it more and then started with a pull hook that just killed me - until I started swinging more upright and began slicing! The three sticks look like how it used to FEEL. I'm going to use this hopefully tomorrow and see if I can get my old swing back. Of course it will be a much older versions since I was real good in my 20's to 50's and then laid off for ten or so years. We'll see - thanks for some great tips and drills!!
Hi Steve, can you play a fade from this set up? also loved the short game lesson
Hi Steve ,had a round yesterday my only swing thought was eureka best round for longtime ,just one drive it was eureka, belt buckle ,chest to the sky ,tooooo much info for my Brian ,loving channel ,(ps I have new shoes as well ) GM in France
Great lesson. Does it work with Driver too?
Hi Steve, do you change anything for the driver, I hit all my clubs well with your method except the driver. The driver your way is a big slice.
Steve i have 2 questions about Eureka.Firstly do i keep my right foot square to the target and open my stance with my left leg and do i flare my left foot a quarter turn like Hogan did or have it square to the to the open stance alignment ?And sorry i guess there are three questions i have and do i also try to keep the right arm bent thru impact as it travels from inside to out?
Mr. Johnson I have two questions if you don't mind. 1- is the Club face aligned with the target line or the club path line? 2- I have now adopted your Eureka technique but I am having trouble getting loft with the driver and woods. What shall I do? Thanks so much.
This is the right direction for learning to swing a golf club imo. I don't agree with everything Steve is doing, but he has broken the barrier of thinking a full swing is "parallel at the top". Jimmy Ballard advocates "left arm down" (lead arm). You can put as much (more from my experience) power into the shot as anything else from that "abbreviated" position. Raising the arms up means you have to _do_ something to get them back down, thus all the "shallowing" and many various moves are taught to return the elbows back to the where they were relative to the rib cage at address. With the lead arm down, you go ahead and let her rip from the top. Much simpler, and far less room for error.
Hi steve
I tried this today .Worked really well .So I'm now soaking up all your videos. I like the ball throwing machine analogy . As an aside Jim venetos on you tube also recommends weight staying on left side. But he encourages a closed stance. But yours makes symmetrical sense If that makes sense.
Was just looking at his videos and it's interesting how different the set up is and idea to hit the ball. Looks like both work I would say.
Can u add a super slow motion look at this move. Also are you able to hit big slinging push draws on demand. I watched this on tv but cudnt see the flights that well.
Just found your channel! Short game stuff is first class! I teach my son (he's now off 6) I swing down the body and aim left or right with feet/body. I'd like to adapt to your system, could you add a tracer to your shots to better illustrate flight to a 15yr old??
Great vid...have you looked at Channel Lock method from Australia ? Very similiar except
Back ball position and locked
Shoulder line that mirrors your inside swing path stick...Always learning < Bob
Cunningham > Atlanta Ga
Steve, I am seeing the inside move much better on this vid.
Can you do a coach's eye video series where people submit their swings practicing your methods? It would be awesome to get your opinion on my swing.
Brilliant!
Steve can you comment on ball position in relation to your left heel. And do you play from that position with all clubs for most full shots? Thank you!
The more I try this the better it feels in terms of torque and swinging through. Watched eureka driver video and not sure that works as well. How do you play this when looking for a cut - club face control? I just get slight draw.
I shall give Eureka a try, you do make it look easy thou Steve.. and an inquiry, what's with the titleist gear, looking good, clubs as well?
Quick question, when you are swinging with such a low left arm it appears that you do allow the club to roll early. In other videos you have talked about keeping your clubhead outside of your hands on the backswing. Is it still a concern about rolling club to far inside on backswing?
Not at all.
Have been playing eureka and it feels great. Only club I seem to struggle with believe it or not is my 8 iron. Hit 7 and 9 fine but I do eureka with 8 and I hit off the toe every-time
I’m trying this tomorrow before my round
i've been doing this eureka style for a while but didn't realize it. my clubs are ping with a white dot, kinda upright and this swing looks and feels flatter than before but so far the lie of my clubs seems ok. any thoughts on this?
Hello Steve any advise for senior golfers obvious problem cant anywhere near full back swing ect
Steve does this work with any grip ie vardon, baseball or interlocking
Another Hogan insight was the rotation of the left forearm to the right on backswing and left on downswing. Hogan cupped his wrist at the top and slightly bowed upon impact. He squared the club face at impact. What do you think about this? Could this work with the eureka swing?
That’s how I do it. I’m cupped then bowed👍
Steve. This your real magic move. The hips have to turn on the backswing. FYI 43/34 today No hip turn vs hip turn. Just like a pitching machine. Your brilliant Stevie 😉
Steve love your method 6 handicapper here and never hit it so pure using Eureka. One question. When aiming the club, so stance is open, shoulders square, do u aim the club face right or keep it square to the target line. Thanks.
Face is open Mikel. It’s all explained I. The Iron Swing Series in the website www.eurekagolfswing.com 👍
Jon Rahm’s swing has a eureka back swing component ?
I think you might have extended my golf career ,I'm 73 cheers big man.
What is post impact club path is? Is it coming back inside or going towards the target?
I assume the club face is in line with your shoulder line (red stick). Correct?
I started opening my stance about a month ago,before even watching any of your videos. I struggled with early extension and not enough AOA. I instantly starting compressing the ball 1000x better and no more early extension . Went from 7 iron going about 155 with swing speed in the low 80's to now I'm hitting 7 iron 165 to 170 with swing speed around 87-88 mph
J2 Martnz Flowmotion teaches an almost identical stance / setup that you might find interesting. It also teaches some other key points like very little tension in the arms / shoulders. It is best to follow one coach, but sometimes different explanations can “click” or answer questions.
Thanks great video ☝️brilliant
Steve I thought Mr Hogan did promote aiming his feet (not shoulders) left with higher loft clubs by mid to long iron he was aiming parallel and with longer clubs his feet were aimed right. As I recall he felt a player needed to aim feet right with longer clubs to promote good backswing, but left with higher lofts and shorter swing so he could get out of the way/ clear hips better.
Yes that is on the book its right
Hi steve, it looks like in your takeaway the clubhead gets inside your hands. I struggle with that as it causes my arms to be too flat at the top and a very in to out club path at impact. You seem to make it work just fine. Any suggestions? Thanks
Can you do a video on fades an cuts steve using that movement i cant fade it using this method
I too am waiting on instruction on how to hit a fade. I actually emailed Steve but no response.
Do the exact opposite feet closed shoulders open to feet.
The reason that Eureka and Ben Hogan's swings are similar is because they are both over-the-top swings. This is a compliment, not a criticism. How did Hogan fade (his trademark shot) the ball with this swing?
I'm having limited success. I understand standing open, shoulder square. Is the club face square to shoulders or square to the swing line?
Any chance of a bird's eye view of set up including the club face alignment?
Thanks. ..top man.
Gazza Gee the clubface is square to the shoulder line
Do you use flatter lie clubs, for this awing?
Steve , trying to get backswing lower than shoulder plane, hitting it really solid and on line every club. However cannot get it up in the air. Thoughts?
Keep turning the body 👍
thanks steve can you explain ball position though eureka swing as im not quite sure on this thanks
Look at the shot shaping and ball position plan on the website www.eurekagolfswing.com
Sounds good looks good can understand the logic open stance turn under with left shoulder (backswing)about in line left shoulder joint then down swing hit out with feeling upper body looking right then forward momentum centrifugal force of circular motion will square up align club face to target? Yes or no? Or what am I missing bill Mildura Australia
Hey Bill. Here is a link to my website for more answers www.eurekagolfswing.com
Thanks!
Steve you give that ball a great strike. Is the club square to the red stick?
Eureka is right ,this fixed me in one attempt .My ball striking was the best in years today. Tell me Steve if I want to hit a fade what should I do with this set up?
Thanks you’re great.
Steve, thanks tried it and this works for me very well.....cheers
I’ve been enjoying your Eureka method, but the alignment stick you have for the path of your swing has me confused- it doesn’t look like your swinging along that path but it does look like your swinging along the path of the alignment stick for the shoulders. Is the alignment stick for the swing path more of a mental image for you?
You know you turned your body when your lead shoulder moves towards your trail foot and during the backswing you allow your nose to go from the downward 6'0'Clock position to the 5 'O'clock position. And then simply think of swinging against your nose for a perfect and balance Eureka Moment. What do you think? Am I right?
Is the club face open to the target line or square to the target line at address?
I like this idea and I'm gonna try it once we can get on golf courses again
Open Ryan.
That's interesting. Ok so far I have adopted the open stance and I have finally found the consistency of coming through. Picking the fall well. My misses have been hard left, but hit well. Or fades with not as much power. I then catch that my shoulders are way left. So to make the swing work, it's either alignment of the shoulders is wrong, or I must understand to swing inside to out. Which is the next step lol. More consistently I mean..