Kimber KDS9c Rail | A Serious EDC Contender!
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Today we check out an already new offering in the KDS9c lineup from @Kimberamerica! We all asked and they listened about the options we’d like to see with their new KDS9c lineup! You really have to dig when a company listens to their customer base and updates a product within 6 months of initial launch. Let us know what you think about the new KDS9c Rail from Kimber down below in the comments section. Hey oh!
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These are awesome carry guns
Agreed, pleasantly surprised with how well this shot on the range.
After handling one, my main issue is just how slick they are. Yes, you can swap the panels, and you could even add grip tape to the front and back strap...but I feel like you should have a bit more bite out of the box.
It's my new carry, light and easy. Almost can't feel the wt too.
Man, I dig it! There are alot of nice features on this pistol, but as a Southpaw, I really appreciate that they included an ambi thumb safety right outta the box! 👍👍
Reversible mag release has to be the best part of this DS1911 for left handed shooters like myself.
I am an owner of the non railed model & wouldn’t trade it for the railed model. Glad they listened to the customer & have both on the market.
I have non-rail wish I would have waited, like non rail but I have a long habit of resting left thumb on rail intuitively, non rail not so much when rail version goes down and it will I will sell non rail and get rail version even though it won't be to add a light.
Super nice! My dream 9 is the CZ SHADOW 2 but this Kimber is really cool.
That’s what I carry and it’s an excellent gun. Interested in the KDS9C though since I’m lefty and this is one of the extremely few ambi DS1911 on the market
I just got CZ custom shop S2C for around same cost as this. I don’t own a Kimber but this is best looking one I’ve seen. I’m sure it’s a fine gun.
I picked up the non-railed version of this pistol and I freaking love it! What a nice little shooter it is. I have owned the Wilson Combat SFX9 and I got rid of it because I did not like how it shoots. In my opinion, this pistol beats out the SFX9 hands down.
what didnt you like about the sfx9?
I love this ... me and my 16yo son were printing 2 inch-ish at 50yd, iron sights, out of the box. Haven't put it on a rest yet to see how close to zero it really is. Kid handled it like a dream.
Same for me
Stealth Arms Platypus is a metal DS 1911.
The grip module isn’t whereas the Kimber is all metal
@@adambrown5601 the Platy is absolutely metal. Aluminum frame with a steel slide, just like the Kimber.
@@adambrown5601 uhhh the stealth arms absolutely has a metal module....
Twc9
To answer your question it is the Dan Wesson DWX compact. That is the same size with all metal grips
No light rail though?
@@RogerBarrera true
and no optics cut@@RogerBarrera
They released a railed version a while back.@@RogerBarrera
@@Avg_VetNope, they fixed that.
What I would love to have you compare this to is the Alpha Foxtrot S15. They have their newer Optic Cut w/rail model, extended & threaded bull barrel that is polished DLC as well as the slide. Their frame is also 1-piece billet aluminum with reinforced steel rails (which differs from Kimber I think). The grips are milled directly into the frame in-turn causing the double stack 1911 to be thinner than a single stack 1911. As you probably know takes Shield Arms Gen 1,2 & 3 magazines along with Glock 43,43x,48 & all aftermarket equivalents (i.e. PSA dagger micro 15rnd magazines). The S15 is staying consistent at $1500 and i believe may be a better buy.?.?.? Would love to see a side by side in all categories. I know the S15 is extremely accurate. Great video as usual! 🤙
Beat me to it
@@DarthP4nda im prolly snagging an S15 regardless of a review along with an DDH9 if they fix their optic plate debacle. The S15 is a solid double stack with proven reliability & craftsmanship out of alpha foxtrot. I’ve never been a Kimber guy ever tho I always liked their classic 4” two-tone, single stack, back in the day. Though I do like this pistol as well the S15 is where it’s at, then maybe a platypus 🤔 yeah building on stealth arms website is actually quite fun…
@@xmk-zc9eb still not sure about the DDH9.
@@DarthP4nda actually I’m not either after watching everyone’s optic plate seem to be unable to keep tight. It seems like it wasn’t thought of much during the redesign. They had a change to think out the box.
I handled one at a gun store in my state. The trigger is oddly heavy compared to say a Canik Rival or P10C, and the grip texture is nonexistent. I will say that it feels good in the hand, but the fact they went the proprietary mag route on what could have been a Mecgar mag, and they also chose not to give the buyer proper front and backstrap checkering is a bit of a confusing choice. At minimum, they could have left the edges a bit sharper on the grip...
The rail should have been there from the start, and I don't think it fixes a gun that was already going to struggle against BUL, Stacc, and soon it will struggle against Tisas, MAC.
Although the Kimber is a nice size for carry...I will give it that.
PS. Yes, the trigger is clean though. I also should say that I am comparing it to my managers Wilson EDCX9.
I was so close to getting one of these but after seeing what Staccato has releasing I just couldn’t do it being so close in price. That new c is exactly what I was looking for. Great size for duty and carry.
P.S. This pistol is still hands down WAY sexier though!
Very very Good point about the Staccato C coming this summer. I would stretch my buying dollars and go Stacatto C over the KDS9C rail. ..Not to mention, I recently got a CZ S2 Compact. But the S2C is a bit larger for carry than the Kimber or Stacatto C (I think?)
Stealth Arms has a full metal frame 1911 that uses glock 17 mags.
Platypus and staccato are 2 off the top of my head
sorry not for msrp of 1900$
Get ya bread up, broke boy.
@@leonardosantuario3346hey rich man tell us why adding a rail increases the price $700?
@@madeintexas1213 you'd have to ask Kimber. I don't manufacture their products, I'm simply rich.
Got mine for 1555
@@madeintexas1213 it’s more like $400, not $700. Compare MSRP to MSRP.
They announced the railed literally right after I bought the standard 😂
0:07 HOLD UP! LET HIM COOK!!!
Appears Kimber may have got their shit straightened out in the last couple years!!
doubt it. Influencers are really pushing this crap zzz
Not pushing anything. Met their Marketing Director who stated that Kimber would like to appeal to their customer base more. Asked about adding a rail and ambi safety to the KDS9c and they listened to their customers. We're straight forward in all of our videos and we enjoyed shooting the gun.
The standard version I’ve found for $1200 so adding a rail increases the price $600-$700???
Between the two; MSRP-wise, they are $400 apart. The newer one comes with an ambi safety, rail, better front and rear sights, and an extra mag. That’s a fair increase for all of that.
Initially I was saying the same as you until I compared the differences.
What they should’ve done was just add the rail to the first gun and leave it at that. Or; add a rail and ambi safety.
The problem that folks are gonna have is spending Stacatto money on a Kimber. Someone has already mentioned that in these comments.
This gun with rail is $1700 retail. $600 less than a C2, so not Staccato money and it's full metal frame. If you prefer a full metal frame with single piece grip I'd go this route. If you like grips that be changed out then def go with a Staccto.
@@unixfool yea I guess when you put it like that. Not terrible. I guess I’ll wait and see what the price levels out at. I’m trying to trick out my CZ P01 tactical urban Grey I just found anyway lol.
Now they need to show up in the stores. Any ideas? Since I’m a “wrong hander” I called Kimber and to have them add the ambi safety to the original kds9c, they said it will cost $231.
I just bought a KDS9C rail for $1399.
Good video! If you want a carry-gun that is truly set up "out of the box" for a RMR and light, check out the FN 509c MDR.
Just bought KD9Sc rail 1555 euro optics Muncy ,pa fast delivery 2 days
Rock Island Armory has double stack 1911 in 45 cal 40 9mm and i believe 10 mm all metal
Ooooo, good to know!
They have had it for years too.
at 1900 bucks thats a hard choice for a Kimber.
For sure, that's MSRP. They're going for $1700 online retail.
Just picked one up for $1399 yesterday
I spent 13 and change.
Wouldn’t a staccato c2 be a better option for a couple hundred dollars more?
Staccato C2 is a great gun. It retails for $2300, this Kimber KDS9c is MSRP $1900, and retail online for $1700, so it's about a $600 price difference. The Kimber also has a full single piece metal frame and grip. It would be another $400 to $600 to put a metal grip on a C2. I put a metal grip on both of my C2s and they're great but both of those guns are now $3k.
@@RogerBarrera that’s good to know! I didn’t even realize the frame was not metal or that the kimber was only 1700.
Its not double stack 1911/2011 but that cz shadow 2 compact is making headway to become a real competitor with this coming in at $1300-$1400
Yes we checked it out at TriggrCon and filmed a video on it there.
Got a brand new one never shot in getting ready to let got for $1200 with the optic plate for the RMRSC footprint & a holster. Best deal you'll find in that package!!
Great video……for the price I’ll take the CZ Shadow compact
I want one too, but it grinds my gears that I can’t find any for the original asking price of $1250.
@@StockA4You can. You just haven't looked.
I will be buying one in the next month or so. Until this came along the options were a WC edc9 $3000 or an atlas ares $6000. Kimber did good $1699.
Years ago Para-Ordnance was the first all metal one piece 2011. Before anyone called it a 2011. Staccato was late to the game, they did the two-piece I'm sure to differentiate from Para-Ordnance firearms...
Only if you get one that works. I have one that’s already been returned to Kimber once (for three weeks). It still has a failure to feed rate around 20 percent.
Now I am just hoping CZ/Dan Wesson will do the same and release the DWX Compact with a Light Rail. I have heard rumors it is coming soon, but the Compact model should have had the light rail over the Government model. The DWX is another all metal model double stack…
It's available
The DWX Compact with Pictanny light rail? Where?
@@BadmanMC407 No it's not!!! Sooo many people falling for the scam Dan Wesson websites.
I've not shot the Kimber, but I have a lot of hours logged on the Staccato platform. How do the two triggers compare (KDS9C vs C2/P)?
Pretty close as they are similar platforms. Didn't notice anything significantly different between the two as they're both good triggers.
Got damn that's nice!!!! When the KDs 9C first came out it really caught my attention but when they release the rail version, it's definitely high up on my purchase radar
Thanks for another great review….Roger, I know you’re a fan of porting…would you think porting would soften things up some and which one would you go with? Thanks!
Great review is always definitely push this pistol up to the top of my list. Just thinking about what the price is.
This vs the BUL Armory SAS ultralight II?
The UL is too small of a comparison. Better to compare the Kimber with a 4.25” gun.
OK Sir, a quick & simple question for you. I'm on the verge of replacing / upgrading my Car Pistol (not carry). After much research, down to two options. This KDS9c Rail? Or Sig P229 Legion SAO?
I own the full size Wilson Combat EDC X9L, the Kimber seems similar to that style of pistol, though the Wilson is over 3K. Looking forward to shooting the Kimber to compare.
Not to mention finding the elusive SFX9 with optics cut. I really like my 3.25" SFX9 but wouldn't mind having an optic cut.
OK Gents, a quick & simple question for you. I'm on the verge of replacing / upgrading my Car Pistol (not carry). After much research, down to two options. This KDS9c Rail? Or Sig P229 Legion SAO?
I’ve only run the Kimber so I can’t speak on the Sig. I’ve heard good things about them though so I’d recommend checking out both and seeing what works for you. I really enjoyed this new KDS9c and I enjoy the 1911/2011 platform.
great camera work brother
Much appreciated
Roger?! How would you compare the BUL SAS TAC ii, KDS9 Rail, Prodigy, Platypus, Staccato… in order and why. This would be a nice comparison/ VS video.
BUL SAS TAC II, KDS9 Rail, Staccato, Platypus, Prodigy - That's my comparison
Don’t enjoy comparison videos. Haven’t shot the platypus. Staccato would prob be the most finely tuned but all are very similar. You’d have to shoot them side by side to notice in my opinion.
Love what they did but can’t get over the price tag. At that price point, I’d rather mod out a macro with a full metal frame and all the bells and whistles, get a shadow 2, or get the stealth arms platypus. And I’d come out having plenty of extra cash for ammo. 1900 is a kick in the nuts
Yes the Wilson EDC X9. Not to take anything away from kimber, but they are basically attempting to emulate the Wilson Pistol by imitating the design and making it available at a lower price...Basically the same thing Springfield did with Staccato IMHO. I actually give props to Wilson, they looked at the DS movement that Staccato kind of created for the mainstream, and did it their own way. The Kimber does look like it's a nice pistol, but Wilson were there 1st 😉
What sights are compatible?
If only Dan Wesson (CZ) would finally release the DWX Compact with a lightrail.
S2C & DD H9 please!🔥🥃🇺🇸
H9 should be this weekend, we filmed the Shadow 2 Compact at TriggrCon last year.
I would love to see a review with all three of these head to head.
They seem very similar in size
@@liverpool6380 nah, we don’t typically do comparison videos, they aren’t fun to do and costs a lot with ammo.
Is the platypus not considered a double stacked 1911 with a metal frame?
Yep! Hopefully we can get some on the channel soon!
Platypus is a all metal double stack 9mm 1911
We need a WIlson Combat EDC/SFX vs Kimber KDS9c comparison!
Roger, are you sporting a Rolex or Omega? Both are super classy and make me forget a Kimber!
I really like this, but I'm not sure I can justify it over my sig p229 legion with the sig armorer trigger job. I'll have it to try it out one day and see
The platypus is an all metal gun
Already order one.
You all should do a Platypus review
Is kimber finally stepping up their game in QC.
"I don't know of any other double stack 1911 with a solid frame/grip"
Filipinos: " there is another..."
RIA double stacks are insanely good at a third of the price. They are chunky though...
Lookin for Alpha Foxtrot S15 review purdy plz! Wish it had ambi-safety, but not a dealbreaker as it has TB, rail, OR, etc.
Were you able to co witness the iron sights thru the red dot. As it came to you from the factory. I have the model without the rail. And I'd like to red dot it. I'm asking because I really couldn't get a straight answer from Kimber on if I have to go to suppressor height sights.
No, I talked about that the end of the video. Sights don't cowitness with the RMR. I'm hoping with the EPS Carry plate I can use the irons or the ones built into that optic at least.
I should of watch the whole video before asking that question. You answered it for me at 14:30.
@@jeffw4942 no prob, thanks for checking it out.
if im spending 1300 on a gun im getting a metal framed 226/229 DA/SA 100% of the time.
For that price I rather get a CZ shadow 2 compact or Daniel Defense H9, both cheaper than this Kimber.
The H9 is unproven...chill.
Already seen someone shooting it at speed, and it was cutting up his hand due to how low it sat...the slide serrations were acting like a saw.
What do you think Kimber KDS9c or Tisha’s BR9 carry
And platypus is all metal double stack. Yall should monsoon this guy
Will any guntuber bring up the fact that this gun is the Temu version of the Wilson EDCx9? Like if you cover the names, you can’t tell the difference…
Most guntubers mention that they are similar. I don’t think anyone will mistake the two just by covering branding, though.
You gonna get this thing ported by monsoon tactical?
Contemplating it for sure, haha!
I already asked them. Because of the fluted barrel. They are going to have to get one and research it. Hoping they can come up with something. @@RogerBarrera
For this guns holster on your website do we go under 1911 More Discrete or 2011 More Discrete?
It’ll be 2011, even though it has a round trigger guard. The outer edge of their trigger guard works better with the 2011 holster than the 1911.
Rock island has metal double stack.
Rock island pro tac
Don’t see the Kimber kds9c holster on your site only see 1911
We used a 4.25” 2011 holster to work with this setup since it has a unique trigger guard.
Stealth arms platypus is all metal double stack. Made in Ohio, no mim parts. In this price range....
What holster are you using for the KDS9C with a light?
For this one I’m using a qvo tactical 2011 4.25” holster
What trijicon optic were you running?
Do these fit in standard 2011 holsters? Having trouble finding one for light bearing
Make it $1300
Where did you get that hoodie?!
I have 2 guns I need to sell one don’t know which one
Kimber KDS9c or Tisas BR9 carry
Is that a trijicon RMR cc or full size?
What holster is that?
QVO Tactical 2011 holster.
Nice
Really like the gun. It's just priced too high. I'd pay 1200 or 1300. But 1800 street price? Nope
$1300 online my man. Check vance outdoors!
What trijicon are you running on that??
What holster is he using?
Dan Wesson dwx
can be bought for 1200$
What holster did you use? Seems limited for this model
14:00
What qvo holster are you running for this gun 4.25 2011?
Yep! Because if it’s shape that’s what I had to run since it’s different than a 1911 trigger guard shape
@RogerBarrera Rog. ordering now thanks brother keep up great work love the videos man.!
Is it better than the Bul Tomahawk C
That's a striker fired gun. More akin to a glock.
👀👀👀
Kimber sells a gun with more than ONE magazine? Surprising. That said nice look pistol. Sounds like they're trying to go after WC.
Yeah, I'm not going to EDC a $1900 firearm. If I have to use it in self defense, that's $1900 gone. That's literally 4 Glock pistols (for those of us with Blue Label discount).
It's sexy
👍🏽💯👍🏽💯
So since QVO has Kimber's ear!... What I always wanted from a "2011" (9MM) is a Kimber "Ultra" size ( 3 inch barrel ) KDS9C! Keep the FULL size grip though! In other words... please excuse me... Glock 19 it! Keep the rail. Keep the ambi-safety. I'm Old school though... I WANT a grip safety! I believe Para Ordnance ( Are they still around? ) made a 1911 like that. I don't know how balanced the gun would be but, I imagine, being that the gun is all metal AND having a FULL size grip would help(?)! Maybe shave the full size grip down a little... BUT NOT TOO MUCH! ( KEEP the bobtail though! ) Kimber's Ultra 1911 size grip is just a little too short! The main thing I hate in EDC guns is being too heavy! What do you guys think?! ( Go easy on the grip safety though! )
I think you should lay off the coke bro.
@@Osprey1994They DID say... "Tell us what you think." I guess I'm one of those guys that pays attention to details... otherwise I'd just own a Glock!
I’m a single stack 45 guy. All my 1911s are the way they were made 100 years ago. But now I understand why the younger generation wants 9mm. They want to shoot as fast as possible. No offense but such a waste of ammo! Put one or two shots where it counts and move on. You don’t need to empty your weapon on the target.
I bought one and put 3300 rounds through it in its first weekend at the range. Definitely NOT happy with the gun at all. I had to fit it with a properly fit KKM bull barrel and and tighten up the slide to frame fitment and the optics screws stripped out while trying to remove them to put on a dot. This gun and the QC at Kimber are both TRASH 🗑️ I sent over 50 detailed pictures and they basically told me, sorry about your luck 👎🏻👎🏻 I’ll never spend another penny with Kimber as long as I live. Lesson learned.
Which one would you choose, the kds9c or emp ronin 4 for edc
What holster was that you were using? @rogerbarrera
QVO Tactical
14:01
Which particular holster size is in the video if I wanted to order?
Para ordnance