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What D&D Alignment is Bill Cipher? (Gravity Falls)
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- The Triangle Man, the Master of Weirdmageddon, and great advisor, Bill Cipher has come. Part 2 of 3 of our look into Gravity Falls continues.
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#dnd #gravityfalls #billcipher
do you like youtuber takeover videos?
Of course they're great fun
Yeah they're really fun
Yeah of course they're really great fun
Meh
They are fun but bill cipher is overdone
There’s also a small detail about the whole Bipper thing. I don’t think he was just having fun. In the official journal three, it’s stated that after the events of Sock Opera, Mabel found a note in the car that basically said:
“pain is hilarious, for the finale of this body I think I’ll throw it off the water tower. The best part is everyone will think the kid just lost his mind. Wanna join him, shooting star?”
Yeah.
Quick note though, the art book that came out for Gravity Falls was made without the team's knowing until after the fact. There's even a screen cap in the book that still has a quick time player bar at the bottom.
Alex doesn't hold a grudge about it, but it's still worth considering.
@@JoshtheOverlander Thats the art book though, not the official journal 3
@@DapperPhantom I see, I'll admit, I don't know much about the merchandise. XD
@@JoshtheOverlander i have the book, the full note is
"Note to self: Possessing people is hillarious! To think of all the sensations I've been missing out on - burning, stabbing, drowning. It's like a buffet tray of fun! Once I destroy that journal, I'll enjoy giving this body its grand finale - by throwing it off the water tower! Best of all, people will just think Pine Tree lost his mind, and his mental form will wander in the mindscape forever. Want to join him, Shooting Star?"
@@egon3705 Ah yes. Everything in Gravity Falls isn't as serious as you think... Unless Bill Cipher is involved, then it's more fucked up than you'd expect.
"His first interaction with Dipper is polite and courteous." (shoots Dipper through the stomach)
what's a shot in the stomach among friends?
You know I can't understand why Bill ended up on Chaotic Evil he's such a good person who did everything for the benefit of others
Yeah he is just a silly prankster he should of been chaotic to neutral Good
THE FRICK YOU SIR ARE POSSESED! YOU TOO TODD, RUINER OF NOSTALGIA!
I’m surprised that Bill didn’t get a chaotic evil ding for switching Preston Northwest facial orifices just for the fun of it and to decline his allegiance offer
Have you SEEN Preston Northwest? If anything, it's deserving of a lawful good ding
In all honestly the takeovers are neat but I honestly just love your takes rather then the average takeover.
lol thanks xD appreciate that
I agree.
Yes, there funny
They are cool
I’m just going to leave this here. Do with this information what you want.
*“Sixty degrees that come in threes.*
*Watches from within birch trees.*
*Saw his own dimension burn.*
*Misses home and can't return.*
*Says he's happy. He's a liar.*
*Blame the arson for the fire.*
*If he wants to shirk the blame,*
*He'll have to invoke my name.*
*One way to absolve his crime.*
*A different form, a different time.”*
-The Axolotl
King is the new form
My personal head-canon for Bill's past is that he saw the 3rd dimension, was rejected and shunned by his fellow 2D shapes, and worked to create a portal to the new dimension he saw only to warp his home dimension and everyone in it beyond repair. That way, he sees himself in Ford and tries to "guide" him into repeating the steps that led to Bill's "freedom" as a fellow freak and outcast.
Your saying he's the main character in The Allegory of The Cave?
@@Charolette21 More like he tried digging through the cave wall and caused a cave-in, but that's one way to look at it.
@@Charolette21 wait, The Cave
That one CYOA platformer I absolutely loved as a kid?!
And I still do btw!
@@stormy_does_stuff Well, I was actually referring to Plato's allegory, but power to you for think of that.
@@Charolette21 more like the Mc in flatland
It all depends on how it is done. If they are really good at getting into the character's headspace and enjoy doing the bit, then for the most, its enjoyable. If they don't even try to do that and are just doing it to follow a trend, then its noticeable by the majority of people.
I agree
Bill Cipher helped my wife deliver her baby, and then gave me $6. He's a SAINT
Bill is so chaotic evil he doesn’t even fit on the chart
I really dig your take on Bill. I didn't pick up on the "freak like me" angle on my initial viewing of the finale, and you're right that it's very telling of who he is behind all the bluster. I wouldn't want a redemption arc personally (it's the Steven Universe debate all over again) but if done well I'd still find it interesting.
What's the Steven Universe debate?
Depends on the takeover for me. I think this one was done really well!
thank you ^^
5:58 I think Bill did this, because he knew it would lead to Dipper getting closer to Ford and would start a rift between Dipper and Mable causing her to be desperate enough to give Bill possessing Blendin what he wants. We know he can at least somewhat see into the future, so he probably knew it would happen.
Bill is the character definition of chaotic evil
right but it's hard to turn down 30k views lol
One of my favorite additions to Gravity Falls is the Axolotl's poem on Bill because I think it informs a lot about Bill,
"Saw his own dimension burn.
Misses home and can't return.
Says he's happy. He's a liar.
Blame the arson for the fire."
Bill pretends to be happy with his choices even bragging about it to Ford, but what he really wants is to go home. Unfortunately, that's not an option, that place is gone and it's his fault. All he can do is solider on looking for someplace where he feels that he will belong.
take overs are fine n dandy but when it comes to Bill, on one hand he totally would take over...but on the other he also would know to be meta and subvert that expectation
The channel takeover stuff always depends on how it’s done. Sometimes such skits are funny, sometimes they’re… I don’t like the phrase “cringy,” but no better word can describe that stuff. In this case, it’s well done, and doesn’t wear out it’s welcome. Good work as always Stuart!
Also this nerd nodded off mid-comment! He really shouldn’t have “jokingly” read that invisible ink passage of the official book out loud! Bill here to point out, that as stated in that book, that I did make a deal with that sqeaky-voiced time loser to get rid of his Time Baby boss so long as I joyride his body! And I made good on my word, as you can see!
(very nasal voice) Actually, Bill didn't agree to unlock the computer for Dipper, he promised a hint and by breaking it he revealed a chip that took to the collaborator of the Author.
The interesting thing about bill ciphers possible redemption arc.
Is that it is just as likely that he reincarnated as uncle Stan from gravity falls as he could’ve been reincarnated as King from the owl house.
Both are voiced by the same guy The Voice bill, and both shows are connected along with Amphibia.
And that’s not just because they were all made by the same people.
There’s all sorts of Easter eggs and clues the point to them all being connected.
interesting theory however I don't think that's the case, The Titan that laid King's egg has been dead for hundreds of millions of years based on the fact that when Luz was time traveling she saw that the Boiling Isles used to have magic dinosaurs, volcanos everywhere, and an atmosphere that she couldn't breathe not to mention even when Witch's finally started popping up they still had to eventually evolve the bile sacks that they have in more modern times
Gravity Falls takes place in 2012 and Owl House takes place in 2020, I doubt Bill would be able to be reincarnated as King unless the Titan can lay eggs even while it's dead.
also fun fact, by this point its all but confirmed that Gravity Falls, Amphibia, and Owl House all take place in the same setting, we see the Owl House in Amphibia when scientists are playing with Interdimensional travel, we see an alternate dimension Stan and Soos in Amphibia and they just spell out that people can exist across multiple dimensions, and Anne gets a small cameo in the season 2 finale of Owl House that references the Amphibia Series finale, there are a ton more but these are the ones that basically confirm it.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 @the Edge of the world?!?
@@TheAuthorer what about Edge of the world?
if you are trying to imply that the Titan Trapper named Bill is a reincarnation of Bill from Gravity Falls I don't think that works, Bill died around 8 years ago so Witch Bill would be 8 years old if he was a reincarnation.
at best Bill could be an alternate dimension Counterpart like Mr. Ponds and Frog Soos, but Bill the Titan Trapper isn't really like Gravity Fall Bills in the slightest beyond sharing a name and voice actor.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 "a different place a different time"
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 L T O L O X A
Personal head-canon about Bill's backstory based on everything we know: He was seen as a freak in his home dimension and treated awfully because of it (Reddit AMA Takeover based on Flatland), destroyed dimension on purpose due to this, killing everyone including parents (and possible brother), and went around the multiverse destroying other dimensions and making those so called "friends". He's broken and slightly guilty about destroying his home but ignores it and puts on an act (Axototl's prophecy/rhyme).
I will say the torture I would have pegged as neutral evil rather than chaotic evil. This is because the torture is to further his goals not solely for his enjoyment, although it is still torture so I understand arguments to the contrary. Also the evil character takeover thing, sometimes works sometimes doesn’t. I think it was alright here.
In total bill keeps 100% of his deals, he will give you exactly what you agreed to.
That's the problem, just like alot of devils in mythology, he gives you EXACTLY what you asked for, if it's not specified he will do what he wants.
And bills a bit of a jerk on this front as he rarely makes deals the other way around, he's almost always setting out the conditions (I believe the finale is the only deal that someone else proposes)
So he's lawful to a degree, but only such that he never breaks his word, other than that he's pure chaotic evil.
Technically gideon proposed a deal to bill too, since Bills response is "sure, I'll help you out and you can help me out with something later" as his condition to agreeing.
@@Xeronoia
Fair point.
I would personally like to see some final space characters eg: avocato , garry , the lord commander ect
“I’ve got some children I need to make into CORPSES!” is actually a very metal line
I know that there are a lot of games to go through, but I think it would be cool to see what D&D alignment is Agent 47 from the Hitman series especially after the more recent games gave him a new character arc.
Rearranging every orpheus on Mr. Northwest's face. Chaotic Evil, even though he deserved it.
Changing that guy's coffee to decaf during the unused song. Five dings for Chaotic Evil.
What makes Bill Cipher a great "Chaos God" character is that he can and WILL both follow and enforce rules, even if they don't benefit him! It actually makes him creepier, since his adherence to rules actually makes him LESS predictable!
Also, I'm 99% certain that when he conned Dipper into getting his body, the computer wasn't ACTUALLY counting down. He just made Dipper dream to think it was!
Going to take a guess and say Chaotic Evil before I watch the video.
EDIT: Oh look, I was right.
Like anything but Chaotic Evil seems like a stretch to try and put on this character.
You first and likely last mistake is trusting Bill. he may uphold his side of the deals, but that may either just be how deals work or because he has fun doing that.
Think it might slip for some that Bill only makes the deal with Gideon, because he wants to get the portal up and running again.
You see the real Stan flash buy in him, symbolizing him making the connection to how Gideon can be of use.
"A X O L O T L MY TIME HAS COME TO BURN, I INVOKE THE ANCUENT POWERS THAT I MAY RETURN!!!" I posit this: that in a twist of cosmic Justice, bill's deal with the Axolotl was twisted against him, by the vaugeness of it. He didn't specify if he would be the same when he returned, nor when or how. and so, I posit that the Axolotl returned him- as the infant that would one day become Grunkle Stan; similar personality, but none of the memories or cosmic powers, Just a Return- as that's all he asked for.
Perhaps, even, _A redemption arc._
The takeover videos are harmless silly fun on their own, and when the reviewer puts the effort in to make a full on lore and worldbuilding like Linkara, it can be genuinely compelling
The youtuber take overs usually only work when they're a surprise and you're not expecting it. For example when you got Mumkey to do that whole Chara monologue in your undertale vid, that was a surprisem that you were going to be doing that bit for the Undertale and Deltarune vids. If it's one of those things that gets telegraphed a lot in advance, like with a meta character like Bill it doesn't really hit as well, since you're expecting it, also it can be frustrating if it gets in the way of the actual content.
The Fact that he was able to make a video dial Bill Cyphers alignment 12 minutes long you deserve 1 million dollars I mean subs
How is potentially being in Stanley's mind an avenue that can lead to Bill's redemption as a character?
There is evidence to support a theory that Bill would be reborn in the past as Stanley, I like that theory because it would mean that the only person able to trick Bill is himself.
When you get too Stanly, I better see the Pug Trafficking counted
its simple. He's Chaotic Evil, but I will absolutely still watch this video
fair
3:02 infinity stones?! COME ON, you had the PERFECT setup for 3 journals...
1:07: Not Bill mimicing his voice. XD
Also, I love that we can hear Bill's voice slightly in the background of Stewart's.
Take overs depend on the character doing the take over and the ability for the host to bounce off them. However more often than not, at least in content I've seen, they come off very cheese and dumb. A tired cliche in a way.
I have to agree, and in this video's case, I was genuinely dreading the notion that "Bill Cipher" was going to be the one doing this video, because it's not as fun as some creators think it is, it's more annoying than anything.
I don't think anyone needed a video to figure out this alignment. Saying "Bill Cipher is Chaotic Evil" is like saying "grass is green".
the views are popping off tho. sometimes ya gotta give the people what they want
bill is amazing he did not threaten me to say this and I do not have a gun pointed to the back of my head right now
Considering you dont get control back until 3:21 that means bill was the one advertising the RUclips membership, twitch, and Patreon
shilling is a form of evil
I don’t think fords computer was actually going have all the stuff erased, he just made it seem that way since supper probably was already asleep.
3:15
For anyone looking to skip to what we came for.
PFFFTTTT THE FORKS ON THE ARM THIS IS BRILLIANT
so excited to see that it was the 18th!
10:53 actually the blue square was a throw about the side character "tad strange" because the creators during a bill themed q n a had bill say he was kind of a square, and henceforth theories ensued
It's rather debatable who Bill turned into or where he went in time. I could see it being Gruncle Stan but not really. They never really mentioned him losing his memories and Alex Hirsch said himself he kept the entire what happened Bill thing vague because if he ever wanted to revisit Gravity Falls or just the characters again he'd need an entry point. So I don't think we've seen who Bill turned into at all.
Now for us Owl House fans I don't think he'll be revealed as King simply because we have 3 episodes each at 45 minutes for the entirety of season 3. If anything Bill would work better as the Collector as he has ridiculously strong powers, has a chaotic personality, and was trapped by something stronger than him in that mirror. If Bill did reincarnate into the Collector it would make sense if the Axolotl trapped him in there after seeing him do exactly what he did as Bill. Although 2 hours wouldn't really do service to Bill and the show as they need to figure it out, then beat him, bring a conclusion to the character or leave it open-ended again, and bring a conclusion to the series as a whole.
So while I would've loved to see Bill in the Owl House (or anything in general) I just don't think he'll be in there since it was canceled, but allowed to provide a conclusion to the story. Like I feel Bill was intended to be in the Owl House because everything about that world is weird like him, but they had to cut it due to time.
i’d call him lawfully chaotic evil because he uses contracts and deals but is the most chaotic shit ever
Loved it. Can't wait for the next one!
Bill’s the true hero of the story
Bill helped me get my CCL and gave me 1 box of 10mm. What a nice guy.
I really like takeovers.
Wacky shenanigans can be neat, but I'll admit I often find myself skimming through that kind of stuff.
Bill is such a cool guy that he once took care of my dog.
_Chaotic Evil,_ honestly...This really is one of those, "call a spade, a spade," moments.
Fun fact, belndons deal was that time baby wouldn't bother him anymore
He's chaotic evil. But I'm still gonna watch this because I love me some gravity falls
It’s Bill. He’s like, the FACE of Chaotic Evil.
IMO Bill is Neutral Evil because he always keeps his promises to the best of his abilities, and works within the confines of the deal, but causes legitimate chaos as well, he does this for his own benefit.
love the same coin theory reference at the end. not enough people mention that.
1:26 Haha 100 Year Quest let's go
The first thing I thought was chaotic evil.
Bro, Bill's stats would be BROKEN! Oh, this is gonna be good.
Not watched the Video yet but my prediction will be:
Chaotic Evil
well i belive this sums me up quite nicely
Chaotically lawful evil.
I just started watching gravity falls the other day and I’m surprised how much fun this show is
Yeah, Bill being a twisted entity is pretty evident from his design. He's literally the All Seeing Eye of God on the dollar bill. Which in and of itself has been twisted into a symbol for the Illuminati. In fact the parallels make him a decent allegory of the Devil. Spoilery~ Speculation below.
Bill's cry to the Axolotl at his demise and the explanation from the shot at redemption the Axolotl explains to the Pine twins in a comic makes it seem like he does become a new being; Gruncle Stan. It would explain why Bill is able to move so freely around on his mind, why Gruncle Stan has such control over his mind despite not having any training, and a plethora of other similarities between the two. Essentially he is given the ultimate redemption by effectively defeating himself and allowing his new "less" flawed self to destroy his old, twisted self.
Also explains the weird similarities between their dialogues, like calling Ford "Sixer" or advising people to buy gold.
Bill is such a good guy. I would love some takeovers. It wasn't billed falt at all. It wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
If my younger teen self had deity level Powers bill is probably a good example of what I would have ended up like obviously I'd still have a caring soft spot for my family but other than that everything else can pretty much go to insanity
However nowadays the answer is a lot more complex but regardless it's interesting looking at this character and seeing a younger version of myself I could definitely tell why this is one of my favorite characters growing up
I can't wait for next time. Stan's got so many Nat 20 scenes, including the "I can swear for real!" moment
BILL WILL NEVER GET A REDEMTION!
before I even watched this I thought chaotic evil
Bill is a great guy frfr
Bill is the best Dorito.
I haven’t even watched it but I’m guessing it’s either lawful evil or chaotic evil
I like the idea of a takeover video
OH CRAEP BILL IS HERE
I’m still waiting for Johnny 5, great video about Bill.
Oh wow Bill Cipher is chaotic evil who could have seen that coming?
you see that view count tho?
Bill is suuuuuuuch a good person
the best lol
I lost it when he said "and some people are Democrats" 1:41
incredibly based
Guessing Chaotic Evil
Whatever you don't let your audience take over!
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE DEMOCRATS
weirdly enough...no complaints on this joke yet. both parties liked the joke
I loved this video, between this joke and the ancient joke with a picture of McConnell
I’m not gonna be a smart ass and point out specifics stuff that’s basically only in the physical book3, so regardless of that stuff, awesome video
I like takeovers off characters that you don't see coming like dead pool don't want to see but glados I would want to see if that makes sense.
11:34
I feel weirdly, like someone mentiones me here..
And i'm gosh darn flippin' Duck-tectively proud of my weirdness!
To All of you, just because you're weird doesn't mean you're "Bad". Just be your self. Embrace who you are and love who you are for who you are!
Well, i have to go. Reality is an Illusion, the universe a Hologram. Buy Gold, BYE!
Uhm... I forgot what i wanted to comment.
Here's the thing, when content creators do the show takeover thing, they tend to try *way too hard* to be crazy and in-your-face. Like, that Chara thing at the end of your first Undertale vid was weird and sorta cool, but I definitely wouldn't want an entire episode around it because it would get way too old, way too fast. It's best the way you did it with Bill here, a minute-long one-off joke and that's it.
Bill is freggin amazing, such a great villain. The show had a fun family asethetic most of the time, but always had a dark undercurrent of weird pulpy horror. Those undertones always came to the foreground when Bill was present, and during the series finale, transitioned into full cosmic horror story, all centered around this utterly monstrous creature. Good times :)
Evil. Chaotic evil. 100%
well yeah, takeovers are great but normally needed to be part of the episode not all of it...
like bill taking over but get bored and leave...and sometimes pop open to correct you or something like that....
also Alignment Pure Chaos it doesn't exist but bill made it
Bill cipher is great
Oh I wonder what alignment bill could be?
i expected more Dings for lawful evil.
So hot potatoes chaotic and lawful evil
What pre-tell is Bill’s redemption arc?
The take over troupe is a bit out done. Fun when it's a rare treat done well. But whenever you watch a video about the same 5 characters being the same thing
1:37 True 😂
So she says to me, "This wasn't part of the deal!" and I'm all like "Hey, not my fault you never read Faust.".