Big fan of this channel and your commentary. I'm Canon all day. I shoot C400 and C70. So I know I have my bias and from all the vids I've watched here I get the feeling you guys are fans of Canon as well. Other cameras too of course. But you are logical and fair. The C400 is crazy good. Versatile as all get out. Rigged out mine is a chuncker. About 14.5 lbs. My C70 is now stripped down far gimbal or B Cam. It took Canon a minute to get here and I know they lost many shooters. But the ones that waited were rewarded? That's how I feel. Good work here!!
Great points made about why the c400 is a compelling upgrade for several reasons. I work with the c70 and the lut support in only to bake it in or with an external monitor. Thank you for the info.
Great video! I don’t shoot canon, but this generation of releases has me interested. I think your point about the c400 vs burano was very salient. I do feel like the price comparison highlights the fact that the burano is terrible value more than anything else.
Perfect encapsulation of the two cameras… my dream set up is the C400/C80 A&B cameras, with the new RF 24-105 & 70-200 Z lenses. I just need to sell my house first then will be placing an order! No, seriously…
Hello, the C80 and C70 are compatible with the Canon PL-RF and the hard mount add on it just work like the eos R 0,71x. And the proof is that there are commercial photos arround with the adapter on the c80. It is excatly the same system that secure the C400 RF mount
I'm glad Canon put out such a competative camera I'm looking forward to seeing some more c400/c80 footage in the real world! (also on the Burano VS C400 coversation, it's a real shame Sony dropped the ball so hard, but honestly I feel like a used c500 MKII might still be a better purchase than a Burano right now... I just picked one up kitted out for 5K so I might be a bit biased, but that Burano RS & IR polution really bug me.)
@@nick_salazar so it is open and non proprietary which is great. But the canon specific one has some little outer shroud protrusions that allow the little lock bracket to work so they don’t get yanked or disconnected.
C80 = weddings, events, lower budgets C400 = mid level working pro, corporate, broadcast Of course, either can be used for any of the jobs, but if you get into who the typical buyers are and what their jobs pay, those are the Canon marketing aim, C400, other the stupid decision for the port inputs/outputs, necessitating external solutions, the C400 looks like a winner. C80 is not even in contention due to the lack of CFB card option, owning my FX6 has made me hate SDXC cards, they suck, they're slow, unreliable, fragile in comparison to CFA or CFB cards. I have C200 x 2, C300 MKII and an FX6. If I was buying a new Canon, it would be the C400. I wish I could but most of our clients are very locked into the Sony workflow, look, etc. Canon waited far too long to come out with new cameras and ceded a huge portion of the freelancer/corporate/agency mid-level market to Sony. C400 is a good first step to claw back some of the market but they need time and good marketing to get some of the market share back, I look forward to the day when clients begin asking for Canon again, they haven't for years, it's been all Sony, all of the time for those clients who care about which camera I use. I prefer Canon but I'm making money shooting Sony while my Canons are used far less often.
@ the c70 and c300 had differences and there are usually tweaks even when cameras use the same sensor. The r3 and r6ii share the same sensor but the pictures come out differently… you can have the same sensor but tweaks in processing change things. If you reconsider I think a lot of us would love to see that.
@ canon themselves told us that there wouldn’t be any differences. So less inclined to spend the time but will include a small sample in our full overview video of the c80 we are working on.
Marginal Image Quality Difference: While the C400’s 6K 60fps capabilities might technically outperform the C80’s 6K 30fps, the practical difference in most scenarios (especially for viewers) is negligible. Unless you’re working in highly demanding professional environments where every frame counts (e.g., high-end cinema), the human eye often can’t distinguish between 30fps and 60fps in certain contexts, especially when viewed on standard platforms like RUclips or social media. 2. Cost vs. Performance Ratio: The $2,500 price difference between the C400 and C80 is significant, especially when considering diminishing returns. You’re essentially paying more for features that may not provide noticeable advantages in everyday use. This makes the C80 a much better value for budget-conscious creators. 3. Compactness and Practicality: The C80’s smaller size and inconspicuous design are big advantages, particularly for filming in tight spaces or low-profile environments. This can be crucial for creators who prioritize mobility and ease of use over sheer power. 4. Comparable Alternatives: Nikon’s Z6 III at $2,500 provides 6K 60fps at a far more accessible price point, proving that high-end features don’t always require a hefty price tag. This further underscores that the C400’s price point may be inflated. 5. Bigger Isn’t Always Better: The era of “bigger is better” is outdated for many creators, especially with advancements in sensor technology and camera processing. Compact, high-quality tools like the C80 demonstrate that smaller devices can meet professional needs while offering greater flexibility.
Damn... Whaz you are talking about? 30 fps and 60fps people dont see a difference? Having Slomo and no slomo is a BIG difference. Cfexpres or no cf is a BIG difference in everyday use. Comparing a mirrorless nikon that WILL overheat to a xinema camera is your biggest joke 😂😂😂 you clearly dont know anything about Professional video work.
lol WHATTTTT your point on 30fps vs 60fps is asinine 😂 Try slowing down 30fps footage to 40% it’s original speed. I shoot so much 60fps and need to slow it down by that much. People don’t shoot in 60fps to play it at a normal speed.
I’m pretty sure the C80 and C400 are almost the same weight so there’s not much of a size difference, in fact the box shape of the C400 is probably preferable for most rigging purposes.
crazy that a video about pro cine cameras is literally focused only on the host, leaving the gear blurred LOL. f/stop! Also, detail shots on the equipment, not the host. Gear review 101.
@@StevenRowell-x7k this isn’t a review. That video is coming later. Someone on a forum asked for a comparison video and that’s what this is. But thanks for the advice ;)
7:35 Sony FX9 is being completely ignored, not to mention FX9II is on its way. Here is the correct comparison: C80 sits between FX3 and FX6, whereas C400 sits between FX6 and FX9.
@@frankfeng2701 in practical terms the c400 is absolutely a direct Burano competitor and outspecs and out performs it in many ways that’s why we skipped the fx9. And not matter that they do with fx9m2 it can’t be better than Burano or Sony kills that entire platform. So with c400 outperforming Burano in many ways, I don’t think any new fx9 is going to be any sort of real competition. Prices don’t really make the comparison here as canon has no upper end camera to protect. They can make pretty much anything at any price point now and shake things up.
@@NorthwestCameraCoBurano shoots 8.6K, dual CF express type B cards, Variable ND, Full size XLR inputs, V mount, and ibis. A direct comparison is a stretch, but I can agree that the C400 offers a lot for the price !
@@NorthwestCameraCo Not trying to undersell C400 or oversell Burano, but it definitely seems biased to entirely skip FX9 that has full size XLR, dual fast cards, internal variable ND, locking lens mount, better built for shoulder rig and broadcasting, not to mention the used price of FX9 undercuts C400.
@@frankfeng2701 agreed. Very Canon biased review. As someone who has canon, Sony, and Red, I can’t even attempt to agree with it. I see the c400 equal to the fx6, and better in some ways. Both have their pros over eachother and their cons. The fx9ii will rival the c500 successor. The burano is in a league of its own. Yes, the c400 shares some aspects, but come on. Once canon creates a DGO full frame sensor that shoots 8K raw, then we can compare to the Burano.
@@jtserrao1962 C400 > FX9 However, I'll keep quiet about the Burano comparison. Burano price for performance is missing the mark. The C400 is right behind it on the DR test, so if it came down to overall value, C400 offers more.
I would have to say the Burano is in a league of its own. Granted the C400 is spec-ed nice, there’s a lot of functionality in the Burano that the C400 can’t come close to.
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Big fan of this channel and your commentary. I'm Canon all day. I shoot C400 and C70. So I know I have my bias and from all the vids I've watched here I get the feeling you guys are fans of Canon as well. Other cameras too of course. But you are logical and fair. The C400 is crazy good. Versatile as all get out. Rigged out mine is a chuncker. About 14.5 lbs. My C70 is now stripped down far gimbal or B Cam. It took Canon a minute to get here and I know they lost many shooters. But the ones that waited were rewarded? That's how I feel. Good work here!!
Right there with ya! Rockin with Canon since the c100 came out!
Great points made about why the c400 is a compelling upgrade for several reasons. I work with the c70 and the lut support in only to bake it in or with an external monitor. Thank you for the info.
Just preordered the C80. C80 at that price and with all the run and gunning I do felt like it was the better option for me
Great video! I don’t shoot canon, but this generation of releases has me interested.
I think your point about the c400 vs burano was very salient. I do feel like the price comparison highlights the fact that the burano is terrible value more than anything else.
Perfect encapsulation of the two cameras… my dream set up is the C400/C80 A&B cameras, with the new RF 24-105 & 70-200 Z lenses.
I just need to sell my house first then will be placing an order! No, seriously…
Excellent video. Very helpful. Thanks!
Great video. Love this channel. Keep 'em coming!
Hello, the C80 and C70 are compatible with the Canon PL-RF and the hard mount add on it just work like the eos R 0,71x.
And the proof is that there are commercial photos arround with the adapter on the c80.
It is excatly the same system that secure the C400 RF mount
Will update that. we were basing this on early feedback from canon. So thank you for verifying!
C400 for me
I'm glad Canon put out such a competative camera I'm looking forward to seeing some more c400/c80 footage in the real world!
(also on the Burano VS C400 coversation, it's a real shame Sony dropped the ball so hard, but honestly I feel like a used c500 MKII might still be a better purchase than a Burano right now...
I just picked one up kitted out for 5K so I might be a bit biased, but that Burano RS & IR polution really bug me.)
Is there a chance the C80 ever gets external raw recording? Would be nice to not record to SDs.
Hey Dom, can the monitor connect via any standard usb cable, or is it a custom pinout cable like DJI and RED do for no godd**m reason?
@@nick_salazar so it is open and non proprietary which is great. But the canon specific one has some little outer shroud protrusions that allow the little lock bracket to work so they don’t get yanked or disconnected.
C80 = weddings, events, lower budgets
C400 = mid level working pro, corporate, broadcast
Of course, either can be used for any of the jobs, but if you get into who the typical buyers are and what their jobs pay, those are the Canon marketing aim, C400, other the stupid decision for the port inputs/outputs, necessitating external solutions, the C400 looks like a winner. C80 is not even in contention due to the lack of CFB card option, owning my FX6 has made me hate SDXC cards, they suck, they're slow, unreliable, fragile in comparison to CFA or CFB cards.
I have C200 x 2, C300 MKII and an FX6. If I was buying a new Canon, it would be the C400. I wish I could but most of our clients are very locked into the Sony workflow, look, etc. Canon waited far too long to come out with new cameras and ceded a huge portion of the freelancer/corporate/agency mid-level market to Sony. C400 is a good first step to claw back some of the market but they need time and good marketing to get some of the market share back, I look forward to the day when clients begin asking for Canon again, they haven't for years, it's been all Sony, all of the time for those clients who care about which camera I use. I prefer Canon but I'm making money shooting Sony while my Canons are used far less often.
C80 is harder to rig on a gimbal, than the C400 ? I doubt that. I think C80 is easier to rig :)
Damn no image comparison?!
Same sensor, same performance. They would be equal in all scenarios. So we skipped that entirely.
@ the c70 and c300 had differences and there are usually tweaks even when cameras use the same sensor. The r3 and r6ii share the same sensor but the pictures come out differently… you can have the same sensor but tweaks in processing change things. If you reconsider I think a lot of us would love to see that.
@ canon themselves told us that there wouldn’t be any differences. So less inclined to spend the time but will include a small sample in our full overview video of the c80 we are working on.
@@ItsBerg canon r3 and R6mk2 do not use the same sensor, R3 has a stacked BSI sensor and the R6mk2 does not.
Marginal Image Quality Difference:
While the C400’s 6K 60fps capabilities might technically outperform the C80’s 6K 30fps, the practical difference in most scenarios (especially for viewers) is negligible. Unless you’re working in highly demanding professional environments where every frame counts (e.g., high-end cinema), the human eye often can’t distinguish between 30fps and 60fps in certain contexts, especially when viewed on standard platforms like RUclips or social media.
2. Cost vs. Performance Ratio:
The $2,500 price difference between the C400 and C80 is significant, especially when considering diminishing returns. You’re essentially paying more for features that may not provide noticeable advantages in everyday use. This makes the C80 a much better value for budget-conscious creators.
3. Compactness and Practicality:
The C80’s smaller size and inconspicuous design are big advantages, particularly for filming in tight spaces or low-profile environments. This can be crucial for creators who prioritize mobility and ease of use over sheer power.
4. Comparable Alternatives:
Nikon’s Z6 III at $2,500 provides 6K 60fps at a far more accessible price point, proving that high-end features don’t always require a hefty price tag. This further underscores that the C400’s price point may be inflated.
5. Bigger Isn’t Always Better:
The era of “bigger is better” is outdated for many creators, especially with advancements in sensor technology and camera processing. Compact, high-quality tools like the C80 demonstrate that smaller devices can meet professional needs while offering greater flexibility.
Damn... Whaz you are talking about? 30 fps and 60fps people dont see a difference? Having Slomo and no slomo is a BIG difference. Cfexpres or no cf is a BIG difference in everyday use. Comparing a mirrorless nikon that WILL overheat to a xinema camera is your biggest joke 😂😂😂 you clearly dont know anything about Professional video work.
lol WHATTTTT your point on 30fps vs 60fps is asinine 😂 Try slowing down 30fps footage to 40% it’s original speed. I shoot so much 60fps and need to slow it down by that much. People don’t shoot in 60fps to play it at a normal speed.
@@andersistbesserthis guys tripping! I don’t know who would assume someone filming at 60fps isn’t planning to slow down the footage in post.
After this section we know you don't know how to use a camera 🤣"the human eye often can’t distinguish between 30fps and 60fps in certain contexts"
I’m pretty sure the C80 and C400 are almost the same weight so there’s not much of a size difference, in fact the box shape of the C400 is probably preferable for most rigging purposes.
crazy that a video about pro cine cameras is literally focused only on the host, leaving the gear blurred LOL. f/stop! Also, detail shots on the equipment, not the host. Gear review 101.
@@StevenRowell-x7k this isn’t a review. That video is coming later. Someone on a forum asked for a comparison video and that’s what this is. But thanks for the advice ;)
Maybe you should focus on making your first feature movie first before going hating on RUclips channels. Get a life.
7:35 Sony FX9 is being completely ignored, not to mention FX9II is on its way.
Here is the correct comparison: C80 sits between FX3 and FX6, whereas C400 sits between FX6 and FX9.
@@frankfeng2701 in practical terms the c400 is absolutely a direct Burano competitor and outspecs and out performs it in many ways that’s why we skipped the fx9. And not matter that they do with fx9m2 it can’t be better than Burano or Sony kills that entire platform. So with c400 outperforming Burano in many ways, I don’t think any new fx9 is going to be any sort of real competition. Prices don’t really make the comparison here as canon has no upper end camera to protect. They can make pretty much anything at any price point now and shake things up.
@@NorthwestCameraCoBurano shoots 8.6K, dual CF express type B cards, Variable ND, Full size XLR inputs, V mount, and ibis.
A direct comparison is a stretch, but I can agree that the C400 offers a lot for the price !
@@NorthwestCameraCo Not trying to undersell C400 or oversell Burano, but it definitely seems biased to entirely skip FX9 that has full size XLR, dual fast cards, internal variable ND, locking lens mount, better built for shoulder rig and broadcasting, not to mention the used price of FX9 undercuts C400.
@@frankfeng2701 agreed. Very Canon biased review.
As someone who has canon, Sony, and Red, I can’t even attempt to agree with it.
I see the c400 equal to the fx6, and better in some ways. Both have their pros over eachother and their cons.
The fx9ii will rival the c500 successor.
The burano is in a league of its own.
Yes, the c400 shares some aspects, but come on.
Once canon creates a DGO full frame sensor that shoots 8K raw, then we can compare to the Burano.
@@jtserrao1962 C400 > FX9
However, I'll keep quiet about the Burano comparison. Burano price for performance is missing the mark. The C400 is right behind it on the DR test, so if it came down to overall value, C400 offers more.
I would have to say the Burano is in a league of its own. Granted the C400 is spec-ed nice, there’s a lot of functionality in the Burano that the C400 can’t come close to.