Testing truck safety: Are you safe on the road? (Marketplace)
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2018
- Trucks are are involved in about 20 per cent of deadly crashes in Canada but there are still no national standards for truck driver training. We hire someone who gets his driving licence in Saskatchewan, but watch what happens when he takes a similar test in Ontario where truck driver training is mandatory and tougher.
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I can’t stop watching these marketplace videos; I don’t even live in Canada
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Same here
Omg me too
i love how some people blame truck drivers when a little honda stops in front of them but know it takes so much power to stop an 80,000 lb truck
@Chin Brumback not a woman lol :p and thats beyoncé hahaha thanks tho
I was thought to never be within 30 ft in front of a truck
@@sebvincent5017 That makes sense
same the world over it does appear
Well duh
Her pulling the brake wasn't "to avoid a crash". It was just to avoid him going too far forward to make a left turn and having to waste time circling around. Kind of a big difference there.
I attended the Ontario school of trucking in 2002. I learned very quickly that all we were going to gain here was a truck to take our test with. I took my class mates aside and told them that the miss information we are hearing is confusing and dangerous. One instructor during a road training lesson told us never slow down until you are all the way on the off ramp. One other instructor told us we cannot cross the the yellow lines when turning at an intersection. I actually at one point took all 4 instructors aside and told them of their indiscretions. They were not happy.
I can't blame truck drivers for everything, I can honestly pull footage from my car's dash cam and show that cars whipping in and out infront of trucks are almost as likely to cause an accident. When it comes to offramps cars will speed up, whip infront of a truck then slam on their brakes to slow down which makes the distance between the truck and car almost nothing and almost causing collisions which the truck had no problems before that car caused the problem. I would say in my 30 minute highway commute every day, I bet I got one of those atleast every 2 days where a car is more at fault than a truck in that instance but everyone will always blame the trucker.
Ya those guy drive German cars...VW...BMW..Mercedes Benz...Audi...driving a German car means putting your brain in neutral and being a glasshole. I see those f**khds crossing 4 or 5 lanes to get on that exit ramp.
I have seen as many of every other car too. But usually its young people or people who can't leave their house 5 minutes earlier to avoid rushing and dodging in and out of traffic. I had a guy whip in and out of traffic yesterday and miss the front of my car by no more than a foot as he rushed to get infront of me then whipped back into the other lane and kept doing that. I can't wait till someone like that ends up crashing only themselves and I have it on camera so that they can't screw the insurance company and in the end have the insurance companies tell us drivers who really don't want to rush and cause problems end up taking the hit and having our insurance keep going up.
Drivers need to be aware of a trucks braking zone. Taking the zone away is only acceptable if you expedite out of it. ..Like making your way to the slow lane from fast. When i drove. People would take my zone away all the time...even in front of a red light ! ..that drove me nuts. I'd have 120 feet to stop, then two cars slide in, leaving me with 80 etc. When i left extra space, it simply invited more to merge. Same thing on the hwy with heavy traffic. I leave a safe zone, and they take it...i drop back more, they take it. Eventually you're like 'piss on these people'. It's not easy to remain calm.
You're so right I see the same thing everyday. People pulling infront of trucks and buses then hit the brakes. Don't know if they don't realise big vehicles can't stop as quickly as a car or just don't care. Trucks are crazy on the road sometimes but the majority are people in cars/sedans that don't give a crap
entering another vehicle's braking distance should be illegal
16 hours of training...then ask him to go down the Coquihalla in B.C. during a snowfall and icy road conditions, after he has come through the Rockies., Revelstoke, Golden etc....if he was to make it that far.
Both drivers and truckers need to drive safe.
Are you saying that "truckers" are not drivers?
'nuf sed.
"He pulls through a red light." Actually, he is clearing the intersection.
Well actually, under the highway traffic act, he should not be in the intersection but he needs to wait at the line and enter the intersection when it is safe to do so.
@Al van der Laan Well he was already in the intersection...
@@bailey125 I do not disagree with that but looking over his shoulder and him turning left, you can clearly see cars coming towards him that have the right of way. Just by placing yourself in the intersection does not mean you have the right to drive through a red light.... Trust me, I know the HTA inside out and have been driving rigs for a large part of my life.
@Al van der Laan I agree that he should have waited, but What the guy in the video said was still incorrect either way.
what a BS law, if you are in the intersection when it turns red, that is the fact that you can't safely stop on yellow... you have the right to clear that intersection in a safe manor and all other vehicles must give way to you.
It has worked well in other countries and very little fines are given to truckers because cops understand that trucks... are not zippy go-karts, they are like rocket ships... a lot of torque, not much power
I’m a truck driver, 18 wheeler, of 21 years 3.25 MILLION safe driving miles. I see at least 20 people in cars, 4 wheelers, txting, reading or doing other stuff everyday! EVERYDAY!! I have used my phone while driving but only with Bluetooth devices, not when big traffic is around.! It IS a big distraction. I have done other stuff too, BUT NOT WHEN TRAFFIC IS AROUND!! These guys get beside me and sit there txting, reading, and other stuff.... makeup, playing games on phone as I witnessed the other day.
COM’ON PEOPLE!! Realize you are driving, hang up and DRIVE!!!
I'm a relatively new trucker (I've been driving for almost 1 year now) from the US and this was amazing to me. Here in the US, our road test has mandatory backing where you have to do multiple backing maneuvers in addition to an inspection and driving. I think the most important thing though is that here in the US, a huge majority of new drivers continue training with their company for some time after getting their license. I was out on the road for 30,000 miles (about 2 months) with a trainer after I got my license to give me the opportunity to learn the kind of things that wouldn't be on a road test but that are crucially important for the job. I'm lucky that my company has such a stringent training program, but other US companies have much shorter training programs. There's a reason you always see those other companies getting into accidents. Training should improve in both Canada and the US!
3:25 Quebec too we need 40 hours of drive time and 300 hours of driving on probation with an experienced driver
In the U.S. 160 hours of training. The program includes 50 hours of classroom training, 15 hours of parked vehicle instruction, 24 hours of driving range basic vehicle handling, and 71 hours of public roadway driving with an instructor. Then most companies require 6 weeks of driving with a company trainer.
I had one of those instances. A four-wheeler cut in front of me and hit the brakes at the same time. I instinctively turned into the middle ditch. A tow bill of just over $5,000 later and I was out of the ditch. I was not injured and later discovered only a bolt had broken on the air bag but nothing on the truck was out of place. Other than that the front of the trailer bulged out from the load hitting the front wall. No other vehicle was damaged. There would have been people dead in the car had I not turned into the ditch.
U forget that 88% of all fatal accidents involving Trucks are the fault of the other. Vehicle.
That may be true, but remember the truck driver is also the one more likely to survive to tell his side of the story.
it's also not that hard to see why either.cause it's not uncommon to see cars speed to get in front of trucks then slam on their breaks which is how most truck accidents happen.
it's also not uncommon to see cars jump into the stopping zones of trucks.
@@nghtwtchmn129 trained investigators can tell more about an accident than what you get from most eye witnesses.
@@starandfox601 What you three say bears a lot of truth. There are motorists who intentionally swerve in front of a big rig in the hope the truck will hit them. All while thinking of a big insurance check. This is crazy. When I see a truck on the highway I move over at least one lane or slow down. In other words I get the hell out of their way.
@@starandfox601 it isn't uncommon to see them side by side on the 401, with speed limiters trying to pass one another. Never mind the no trucks in the left lane signs..
This is not only something that should be mandatory for truck drivers but for anybody operating a motorised transport. Driving is not a right.
Canada should follow many other countries like Norway where to get a license for a car you need minimum of 50 hours theoretical and 50 hours of driving even before you can apply for a test.
A few points I wanted to bring up, as this report is full of errors and is misleading:
-The majority of accidents involving a commercial vehicle (broad term), are not the fault of that driver. There are preventable and non-preventable collisions.
-Once you get your cdl/class 1, you will not likely hit the road and do long haul immediately. Maybe short haul work, or you'll go with a trainer for 2 to 6 weeks and they'll show you the ropes. If you're an awful driver, the company has no incentive to hire you, as you are a massive liability to them. Getting a license does not equal a job.
-Total sympathy and empathy for those who have lost someone like this. But age is not all that relevant to do this job. I'm 25, I've been doing deck work for about 2 years, before that I was driving highway coaches and school buses mostly. I recently pulled a 118,000 lbs load from Louisiana to B.C by myself without incident. I'm not bragging, I'm just saying that if you care and you have decent perception of what you're doing, you'll generally do well. You have to start somewhere as a rookie, no matter your trade.
-I believe in minimum standardized testing/training, but there should remain options for different tiered courses you can take. It's up to carriers to be prudent and thorough in how they analyze people's resumes, abstracts etc.
-This is just my opinion, but I don't think they should have/would have failed him. Honestly he did fine. That's when you're like, "We're gonna go out again, and if you can show me you know what you're doing, well see if you pass." Not, "Oh you were never shown how to alley dock? Well that's a fail. I'm not even gonna tell you to open the doors!"
This is a trade and a lifestyle. It's a go hard job and it benefits a lot of people. Please drive safe and be courteous. Thank you.
The cars cause a lot of the crashes - cars need to be aware of the dangers of what they do around a truck - trucks are very heavy and cutting off a truck can cause an accident
Sorry dude I live in warehouse central in Bolingbrook……every day I see trucks exceeding the speed limit and ignoring traffic rules. On a personal level I lost one of my favorite cars because some doofus truck driver tried to make a two lane change on the expressway….fortunately my husband was paying attention and managed to swerve in time to avoid the back end of the truck, unfortunately the person following behind him was not paying attention and hit him, totally crushed the back end of the car. To this day we don’t think the truck driver was cited as being the cause of the accident.
What about other drivers hanging out in the blind spots of trucks?
In the US, tailgating is required if you are texting or otherwise engaged. I travel extensively, and would much rather drive in semi traffic vs auto traffic.
I'm sure of that as well. And when something happens, they blame the driver. It has always seemed odd to me that UPS and FedEx never speed but those companies stay in business somehow.
they should make it to where if several trucks are found to have violations the company gets in trouble not the drivers.
cause that clearly shows the company isn't maintaining their vehicles.
As a truck drivers in the states, that owns my own trucking company, Canada baffled me. The USA Federalized almost all safer regulations in the trucking industry, with minimum standards on the equipment and the drivers. Individual states may choose to have less stringent standards on some things, but then that driver isn't allowed to cross state boarders. When I got my licence it was even more stringent than the hard test demonstrated in that video. You wouldn't even be allowed to do the road test if you can't dock a trailer, let alone show you can maneuver it around a lot.
Canada is a mess to try and navigate regulation wise. Equipment that's legal in one province isn't allowed in another. Rules vary wildly. They absolutely should look at the states, and should try an at least align their regulations and minimum requirements, especially since drivers can cross the international borders too!
RP Vitiello the feds give too much leeway to the provinces to regulate industries, because Quebec never plays nice.
Sorry but here in Québec our regulations for truck are over thoses in all USA, i dont count the number of time when i did CA/USA i saw US truck drivers came to me and asked me to dock them trailers cause they was not able.
@@shan6553 Dont know where you from but you are wrong, compare to other provinces our regulations are over all of others provinces. i saw many drivers from other provinces who was never been able to have them truck drivers license if they had try to have them in Québec. For what i see you are the kind who love to do Québec bashing, and speaking about thing you have no clue.
I drive a truck in the states. Car drivers are the worst and semi drivers are slowly creeping up on them. Texting and driving all day both parties. THE DOT, can shut down a truck for the most ridiculous thing but a car falling apart can drive around.
How about increase the driver pay and pay all drivers by the hour, so that all time spent behind a wheel is paid for. Low pay = low quality drivers
Driver shortage = more inexperienced drivers with licenses from cheap driving schools who lie about their experience.
Moral is if you want good quality, professional and safe drivers who earned their experience with a proven safety record, then pay those drivers proper wages. Also don't offer bs type of work like heavy lifting, nights, and cut down on the hours of service. 14 hour days, 5 days per week, shouldn't be considered '' normal''... Wonder why theres a driver shortage........ Better off start working on self driving trucks because nobody wants a no life job.
getting paid per hour is a joke. In ireland truck drivers are lucky if they make 600euro while driving 60hours. That is before taxes you are lucky to bring home 500 a week.
Definitely not. I work long haul from Toronto - Austin, TX. On 65 hours a week I pull in $1800 per week. Take 36 hours off and hit the road again. My buddies who do local can only clear $1000 a week before taxes. Unless the hourly pay is in the $30 range, I would never work by the hour.
@P S the hourly range needs to be in the $30+hr for experienced drivers with a good record. There are companies out there who still pay under $20/hr which is a joke... Thats barely $4 above minimum wage....not worth it..
@@suukaataaji When I first was looking around for jobs a while ago when I was new, it was literally impossible to find a job. I was 19 years old at the time and there was one company that would hire me for $13 an hour and I had to pay for my own insurance. I told those to screw themselves. Ended up working for challenger motor freight instead. The pay is a joke, the highest hourly pay I see is for tanker drives which runs anywhere from 28-39$ an hour. Was thinking about getting into trimac when I get another year of experience in. The lowest pay any driver should take should be $23 an hour...
@@MG-hk9kx All companies want to hire experienced drivers. There are few companies out there willing to hire new drivers but you will be working there like a slave next to nothing. Those types of winky-dink companies are only good for few months experience. Many drivers use them just for it and then lie and say they have one or more years of experience, so that they can get in with someone who pays more. Turnover rate is very high in this industry as its very difficult to find a good solid company that pays well, has good equipment and good management. There are too many issues in this industry and within conpanies themselves and how they operate.
Professional drivers deserve a better pay
Agree
@@MCB2014 "In the last 10 or 15 years, there's been a mass exodus of professional truck drivers, and the reason they're leaving is the pay. It's pretty tough to make any money any more, when you're getting paid by the mile when you're stuck in traffic, or stuck...behind one of Ontario's many scales or lined up at customs or there's a road closure or stuck behind a snowplow" (from the RUclips video titled "Low Skilled Truck Drivers, Low Pay Driving Up Truck Accident Numbers
" posted on the Smart_Trucking channel). There's no doubt that truck drivers should be paid by the hour, day, week or month rather than by distance. After all, drivers aren't just on duty when they are driving.
They are well paid after some experience its a 6 figure job
And car drivers should be more appreciative that truck drivers are hauling their stuff.
Drive better maybe
16:05 you made it sound like he just ran a red light. Why even make that comment if the guy is 100% fully legally allowed to turn on red since he is in the intersection when it’s green. Sounds to me the producer is a bad driver
Pie 4life I was going to make the same point. Other than not knowing how to connect/disconnect or back into a dock which is truly ridiculous. His driving was pretty good for only 16hrs behind the wheel. Also considering that was his first time in that truck. It really doesn’t take that many hrs to be a fairly competent class 1 driver if you’re already a competent class 5. If you can already back up a trailer you should be able to back up a tractor trailer no sweat.
I agree that he looked to be a very competent driver but the issue still stands that he required a lot more training before that driving school issued a license. A truck driver needs to be able to accomplish maneuvers and basic truck driving skills to a perfection level. Like they kept saying throughout the episode - trucks do a lot more damage than a car-on-car collision. Also, think about what a truck driver might also be carrying. What if they were carrying explosive/fire hazardous materials? A collision with someone holding something like that without near-perfectionist experience could be catastrophic. These drivers also need to be educated on distancing and speed that ensures the safety of those around them, including themselves. They didn't show any of the CBC guy doing any of that as far as I'm aware but the random drivers they featured mentioned it as well. Even THEY were uneasy about other truck drivers when they're being tailgated and taken over by drivers going too fast. Personally, I would feel a hell of a lot safer on the road if more training became mandatory across the country. Both in hours and a stricter test like the woman did in this episode.
Lisa I don’t disagree with the idea of a tougher/stricter test, but I would argue that the mandatory training doesn’t necessarily equal better drivers. Consider someone who needs 100 hrs of training to become competent enough to pass the test vs someone who only needed 10 hrs to pass the same test.
From what I’ve heard about the industry is that there are two many schools and examiners that are not above board and passing students for a little extra cash under the table. Would be interesting to see CBC investigate that.
Lisa I agree that there should be far more training required, but given the small amount of training he had, I have to say that the guy in training here is a natural! With a bit more training, I think he could be a great trucker in no time.
Pie 4life it’s illegal is Calgary Alberta but people still do it and you will get a ticket.
When I obtained my CDL in 1991 you HAD to go to a 8 plus week driving school. Mine was 10 weeks. I also drove trucks in the Army. The first company I went to I had to go out for a month with a trainer. Nowadays there seems to be an extreme lack of common sense in drivers.
For me it was 8 weeks training with another 3 in road testing due to lack of time as it is only one hour to complete the test and the trainer as delayed in the road test truck due to trafic or someone else was testing before me and the trooper conducting the test was allowing the person before me to complete if they were passing everything up until they finished. Of that last one it was a Class B trainee getting their passing in a Budweiser truck as they were working for that distributor, took me three test sessions to get passed and time constraint was the only excuse.
I was talking with my driving instructor about this the other day and he made a good point. You don’t necessarily need mandatory training but maybe a federally standardized test. If it takes you 2hrs of training to pass the test, good on ya. If it takes you 100hr to pass, that’s fine too. You have to consider that some people going for a class 1 have never even sat in the seat of a big truck before. Others have driven them around the farm since they were in their early teens. To say they all require 100hrs of training is ridiculous.
The only reason I passed was good driving habits from a trained driver, I had NO experience myself. Half the training was inspecting and I can prove bias and corruption in examinations
@@KNR90 That's why driver training should not be privatized.
True.
There's a huge difference between driving a grain truck to the nearest elevator and navigating the 401 in rush-hour traffic.
Never mind trucks - standardized tests should be mandatory for ALL vehicles, period. Before the engine is started, how many folks would fail by not even adjusting their seat properly! Never mind the driving! I don't know how many tards I see daily that are two inches from the steering wheel, or can't even see over the hood in a brand new SUV! Honestly! WTF?
I am in Alberta, and currently working on completing my MELT program... Boy am I glad that I have done it. There are so many things that I would have had to learn the hard way if I had not done this training.
Car drivers should be trained on what to do around trucks - car drivers should not cut off trucks - cars need to show manners and be respectful toward trucks
dont just blame the truckers blame the drivers next to the truckers they also should be blamed for the accident
What they need isn't a certain number of hours of training, what they need is to pass the harder test. If they don't have the skills necessary to pass the harder test it doesn't matter how many hours of training they have.
Apparently, the hardest skill test on the driver is in China, but drivers aren't that good to use because they aren't safe. 100 hours is enough to grind some driver's eager out and put them in the seat and do the work. The Test itself I agree it is too easy, should be just like G1, G2 and G.
When I took my test here in the states, there was a written and a driving component. In my class of 16 at my driving school, 2 or 3 people flunked the written test their 1st time taking it. (The written test itself is broken down into 4 parts....IIRC.) For the driving test, 3-4 people did not pass the test the 1st time, one never passed.
In the US, each state sets their own criteria for the written and driving tests. HOWEVER, they are given a minimum set of standards that they must use to devise their tests that is provided by the federal government.
My dad used to tell me you could trust big rig driver as they are the best drivers on the road. He went through rigorous training him self to get his 18 wheeler license in NB. sad to see this is the reality now.
I think it is a 2 fold problem. On one hand you have VERY incompetent drivers (not necessarily their fault if they went through a training course and were taught nothing) coupled with drivers who quite honestly do not realize that these trucks can NOT stop on a dime and they need their space. I think as part of getting your license everyone should get into a truck driving simulator to learn to respect the big rig and give it space.
I concur. I only drive a car and that's even scary on wet or snowy roads when other drivers lunge in front of you to enter traffic without any regard for anyone's stopping distance! Then, factor in all of the multi-tasking that goes on. I think it might be a good idea to have air horns on regular cars.
They way I see it, if someone lacks the basic common sense to know that a giant truck needs extra space to stop, they will ALWAYS be bad drivers.
No matter how good the driving course.
They'd need to go through some kind of driving university to get up to scratch. 5 years of rigorous study.
Another video that's one sided and they don't give all the facts. Yes driver training should be mandatory and not just 16 hours but out of the 1500 killed how many where the truckers fault. Here in the U.S. it's the cars that are uneducated and pull out in front of us or cut us off creating an impossible situation for the driver to stop. So also more training for a regular drivers license and making drivers aware of trucks. Right now they only have the radio advertisements to remind ppl of leaving a buffer zone before changing lanes and not to sit beside a truck down the road
@Casper Gomez that's what this video is doing. It's also someone that's in any motor vehicle to pay attention. Facts are that those 1500 deaths aren't all truck drivers fault.
Alliance Ohio who said it was their fault in all cases? I fail to see how this is one sided at all, it's an issue that needs to be corrected. What other side is there to take, no tests and training and allow it to be the wild west? I see equal amounts of stupidity from passenger vehicles and commercial vehicles when I drive. If I have to pass a road test for passenger car the same should apply to any and all vehicles
ive seen bikers stop below the right mirror of trucks, thats a blind spot you cant see unless you have a kerb mirror but most trucks dont have it, and there are those driver that like to overtake and then jam on the brakes
Even 120 hours trainning is not enough for driving in Canadian Winter. There should be after driver licence trainning atleast 6 month with a two to Three winter experienced driver.
Mohinderpal Brar Training is not enough also because car drivers are unappreciative that without trucks, they’re NOTHING! They love cutting them off just to exit rather than signaling.
it should be mandatory to have a car licience for five years in canada before getting a cdl
In 1974 I started working as a driver examiner 2 with the province of BC. I did a 1 month training course to get my class 1 driver's licence. While employed I had the highest fail rate of comercial drivers. My boss check rode me very often to try and get me to loosen up on the fail rate. I left in 1984 as the government swiched the Driver Exame Department from Motor Vehicles to the Insurance Coroperation of BC and our wages were steped down. In my opinion, ICBC was in a conflict of intrest as their prime goal was to operate and insurance company. Today if their are to many accidents, ICBC just has to tell the driver Examiners to improve the test rate, but they don't. The trucking industry has staff who lobby ICBC to lower the standards of the road test, thus ensuring more accident, and more payouts from ICBC. It is quite a mess and need to be sorted out and the start is puting the examiners back under the motor vehicle branch.
Mandatory training should have been in place decades ago!! Why was the Saskatchewan school allowed to test their own students after ONLY 16 hours of training??? SGI is failing the system. But let's not put all the blame on the school, there are holes everywhere. What wasn't shown was how many (personal knowledge) farmers, drive their own semis up and down the road without a licence??, because they don't have "time" to get the proper training... Having worked in the industry, I was told by a few of them that they "didn't need " to get a license, they new how to drive... followed by the comment of "don't you need to back off your brakes in the winter so they don't freeze??"" do they need training???hell yes!! All do. including the farm who can have anyone with a class 5 license drive a fully loaded 5 ton grain truck. Sadly, the driver of the truck crash in Humboldt didn't get the proper training, he was from Alberta, not Saskatchewan. But he may have been from Ontario and moved to Alberta to avoid the training cost, those are true scenarios. The other thing not noted here was the cost difference between Ontario and Saskatchewan.. huge differences, sadly. More and more drivers are needed as the veteran drivers are retiring. No one wants to be a "truck driver" that's an uneducated man's job, - NOT anymore, they make huge dollars so the training should be the same as that a doctor or lawyer... they have EVERYONE;s life in their hand.
All drivers should have to take driving courses
Even though we see many crashes or vehicle-related incidents are truck or tractor trailer related, we do need to understand that for the majority of mandatory trained/voluntarily trained truck drivers, they can only do so much as they have bigger blind spots than cars and they are usually hauling trailers which adds extra weight compared to a car.
It is also the job of drivers to ensure that we give truck drivers extra space if we can. That means space on the left or right of the truck and even in the back of the truck or front(if possible). Make sure to drive past any blind spots and remember trucks can't do the same moves cars can due to the size and weight.
It is the responsibility of everyone on the road, even pedestrians, to help create better driving/biking/walking conditions.
Vanilla_Donut Spot on! 👍I’m always saying - road users are not just people with driver’s licences! We are all road users whether we walk, jog, cycle, ride or drive, and should use simple common sense!
Amen
The average driver can barely change lanes safely. I've had people try to force me out of merge lanes and into barricades in a 5 ton. I've had 3 cars merge in front of me as traffic stopped. Luckily I was empty or at least 2 would have died that day. Mix that level of corrupt incompetent licensing for regular drivers with the same garbage for truck drivers. The fatality rate is a God damn miracle
We need stronger licencing in place. Mandatory winter driving test within a year of getting your licence. Mandatory upgrade from GDL or just make the first test 1 hour like the advanced test. And this is for all drivers. My company reviews us every 6 months. I haul over 3000000lbs down the road tho. Tired of asshats pullin reefers like pissed off teenagers thru the mountain passes and praries.
Right but not everyone who not truckers think that way unfortunately.
1:39 You need to go under cover
*changes shirt*
Alright you are good to go
Because the darker shirt hides the camera
I've been kicked of the road twice by semi trucks in Northern US; I was driving on the interstate in the right lane, empty road at 11am. A semi truck from behind me in the middle lane decided he wanted to pass me, I noticed his blinkers go on and his front tires getting into my lane when he was half way past - I hit my brakes and swerved to the side strip as he switched into the lane where I was driving. Another time I was in the middle lane and another interstate connected to the one I was driving on merged - that semi truck came onto the interstate, turned on his left blinker and crossed TWO lanes to get to where I was driving, I had to switch to the left lane quickly to avoid being crushed. Both happened on nice, sunny days. Blind spot or not, both could of, would of seen me prior to their lane switch
In Québec 6-7 years ago I did as well my prof. Driver licence on a 20h class with no coupling / uncoupling in it. Failed my backup as I was stressed at the exam but still had my licence. Things got well at job as I get calmer being alone with the machine and I had found a job where the boss was like " get in the yard and practice as you want" so did I learned everything I missed all by myself... but the first winter storm with an empty box on country highway was something I didn't expected. 6 month later, I still learned by myself how to operate that thing on snow and ice as I was mostly alone on the way to figure out the machine behaviors in these situations. Now, I'm comfortable in any situation... but still agree that the training is really not enough, especially for those who aren't at first self learners. Roads are filled with drivers who don't realise what they got in thier hands.
If they can force a Carbon tax on Provinces, why can't they force this law for training truck driver?
Because unlike the carbon tax there is no progressive brownie points for truck training. Turdeau needs to go
@Tournel he didn't say they forced it on provinces, he said they can force it!!! I even heard them say on global news that if Notley threatens to cancel the carbon tax in retaliation for the pipeline fiasco the trudope govt can step in and charge it instead.
Why is it up to the government to take care of everything? When I got my class 1, I was taught by an instructor who told me at the start “ I will first teach you what the government requires, after that it’s up to you to learn! Why doesn’t everyone take some ownership of they’re actions? How many people can honestly say they could retake they’re road test and pass it again?? We need to stop relying on people to fix everything for us! And start being self reliant! Not coddled
Do an episode of "Are you safe on the road of Brampton"
Brampton is not a road
Neverquiter 6 I laughed. 🤣
Try Richmond BC.
I've driven for 35 years and truck drivers at one time were professional. There should be a 2 to 3 year apprenticeship program for new drivers.
Not all truck drivers are dangerous, its the the people behind the wheel, I'm 20 and been driving with a DZ for 2 years now and I've driven downtown toronto, driven to fort Erie from Mississauga, snow plowed the highway in the winter that just passed on the 410, 401, and 403, including highway ramps. I'm only 20 and i consider myself a pretty safe driver already but there is always something to learn while driving and everywhere you go is a different scenario
There are a few things of note from this video.
1. Backing around a 90 degree corner, on the blind side, is often required.
2. Demonstrating how to drive, and handle, a fully loaded truck, whilst under examination, under normal driving conditions, and both up and down a steep grade. A hill start is to be performed on the ascent. It is amazing how many so called professional drivers do not know how to descend a hill with a fully loaded truck.
3. Pre trip / morning inspections. Good idea - know how to identify defects and faults with the vehicle.
My heavy vehicle driving career was done in Australia, starting on a 41.9 tonne triaxle permit, going up and down the old Mt. Barker Road, from the Tollgate to Crafers, fully loaded, and a bit more, while learning how to drive. A couple of short stretches of 12%, but generally in the vecinity of 7 - 9%. You had to know what you were doing on that hill, or you got into trouble very quickly! This was done at the age of 18.
100 hours of driving behind the wheel is a good starting point, but, that is basically only 2 weeks of driving. Some people are naturals for handling heavy vehicles, while others... well... not a lot that can be said for them. Those that are naturals, they need to be encouraged and given credit for what they can already do. For the others, well, training can only get you so far. You need to get into it, and learn from experience. Try and draw from the experience of others. There is not enough time for you to make all the mistakes, that is why you need to learn from others!
I support the idea about a lot more training for drivers. However, 1 hour training costs $80 (New York City, USA), 10 hour classes = $800 (which I signed up for), 100 hours would be $8,000😰. Are you kidding me? It isn't small amount of money, huh? But the crucial question is who is ready to pay $8,000 for 100 hour training CDL classes???
I agree more training but in BC the driver examiners are pretty tough they will not let you through if you fail your roadtest. Another thing thats scary is load securement that usually takes longer to master because of all the different shapes and weights and things that can come loose on the road also winter conditions causes a lot of accidents learning how to chain up and unchain etc.
I have heard the last three years in Trucking news , Ontario. Will need 34000 new Drivers in the next 15 to 20 . I have been retired 10 yeas , I paid a visit to my old company , they asked me to take a load ,I said my licence ran out , they Were 8 drivers short , so good luck Trucking industry,, if you want Good drivers give them good pay ,and the respect they deserve !!!
As soon as you said you went to your old company for a visit i knew before reading
you would say they asked me to do a load lolll.
Al is here to save the day !! lol. I drove for allot of years 2million mls its the same everywhere.
Happy retirement for you i drive a desk now so i have to play nice but old hands with
a good knowledge is so hard to find. Guys like you are gold to us sir.
As truck driver that has been on the road safely for forty years I am disgusted by many of the punks that drive the trucks these days, I came from a farm forty years ago and yet I had to prove myself to the trucking company for six month of 3 axel city pickup and delivery and another six month 5 axel pickup and delivery before I was sent on long hauls. It took me five years to graduate to our 10 axel. To me 100 hours is not nearly enough, even 200 is a low number when I consider all the stupidity I see on the highway now a days. And yes I have had six crashes with cars over the last forty years with no serious injury's and all them being the car drivers at fault. This brings me to my second opinion on how much more training that is need for car drivers on how to drive around large trucks, my truck is 11 feet wide at its narrowest and more when loaded, my loaded weight runs at around 150,000 to 180,000 Lbs and car drivers have a nasty habit of stealing your safety margin in front of your truck. I believe most well seasoned drivers would agree with me.
Thank god this video isnt monetized
Carol's awesome I love her laugh.
Do the same test for “Are you safe in the Pacific Mall parking lot”
In Australia you have to get a separate driving license to drive a truck; it’s a complicated process and I think helps prevent less prepared drivers from getting behind the wheel of a big rig - they have to pass a hard skill test first and do hours on it
HOW SO INTERESTING THIS WAS SO AWESEOME!!! I LOVED IT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS POST !!!
This is very surprising. I've been a class A holder for 10 years. Here in the usa i got my training in Colorado at a school that took 5 weeks 6 days per week with 10 hours per day. Then when i got hired with a company i did an additional 8 weeks over the rapid witha trainer beefier i went solo. I'm not saying usa drivers are better because i had trained also for about 6 years and here in the USA if you pass a driver and they get into a bad accident the trainer also gets to go before court and plead his innocents for passing that driver. It's a very very very serious job not to be taken lightly.
I drove a semi truck for 17 years after 17 years I’ve come to realize that the money made on the road it’s just not enough to have 1 foot in jail and the other in your grave
Heath seems like the nicest guy ever.
I have been in a couple minor collisions. Those were scary enough, so I can imagine that it must be terrifying to have a whole truck hit your car.
What about bus drivers? The amount of awful bus drivers I've seen, pulling out without indicating & such
Hi, I have a CDL and did a couple thousand hours of trucking a few years back.
Let me tell you one thing... This video "Completely Misses" the main issue with the trucking industry world wide. Its all about the $$$ not the safety. The idea that some companies are safe is a charade, they pretend to be safe while they build up insane pressure to get the freight across two places.
Remember pulling a transit break is like pulling a train break. They need time to stop it’s physics. Don’t break check trucks.
Years ago in my hometown in Australia there was a Central Market where produce and products from all over would be trucked in and out with hundreds of trucks buzzing around.
A guy Knick named the 'Chemist' would walk around and sell 'uppers and downers' to the drivers from a brief case he carried.
A lot of these drivers were very long haulers and the only way they felt they could keep going was with a Chemical influx.
And these were the guys passing us and coming toward us on the major highways at speeds sometimes well above the allowed limit.
The average around the world of all crashes involving big trucks is around 80%. 80% of all crashes are caused by cars and not the professional driver. I 100% agree there needs to be tougher class 1/A testing. But that will not fix the problem.
A HUGE problem in my area is trucks in the fast lane. (Left lane). Trucks will even cut you off. They’ll even jump in when there’s a small gap during rush hour. Which is a problem when you only have two lanes on the freeway,
Which is extremely dangerous. Because as a car you’re going 70 ish mph. And you hav a semi truck going 55. That’s asking for an accident.
When you only have two lanes on a freeway and both lanes are filled with semi trucks, it DESTROYS the flow of traffic.
They are out of control in my area.
I'm not saying that some commercial truck diving accidents arent caused by the truck driver but you see in the video that people dont give big rigs the respect they need. When the guy was doing that right turn that smaller grey truck doesn't wait. I always let the big rig go first and give them more than enough room to make the turn. My dad is a dump truck driver in Madison and people always cut him off and tailgate him.
I’m not Canadian and don’t live in Canada but I totally agree with Canadians. The Provinces need to change the hours of training.
In CALIFORNIA, Arizona and Texas semi change lane then turn signal on then refuse to go back to slow lane. I drive about 5k miles on just freeway every year
They need to train the 4 wheelers
I definitely support mandatory entry level training for truck drivers and have done so openly for over 20 years. It is critical to have consistent training and licensing standards across the country. The reciprocity agreement between provinces can only work if every province and territory is on a level playing field. However, this issue is like an onion, with multiple and complex layers. Data over the last 30 years consistently shows that auto drivers are responsible for the majority of car versus truck crashes. Education of auto drivers about how to drive around trucks also needs to improve. Pay for heavy truck drivers needs to be higher so truck driving won’t be deemed the occupation of last resort. Rates have to be higher to encourage truck companies to invest in their people and offer ongoing training. And political will needs to focus on improving infrastructure and road safety, things politicians don’t think are sexy enough. Enforcement needs to increase to hold all drivers accountable. Carnage on our roads is an epidemic - truck drivers are not solely responsible.
Remember that trucks can't stop on a dime. If the truck is keeping too much space between the car infront, the car behind will get mad, but the car will also get mad if they are following too close and hit the vehicle infont. As you can see, I feel bad for truck drivers because they are in a lose-lose situation
in sweden truck training requires atleast 140 hours if you're over 21 and 280 if you're under 21.
I'm in the states and I like watching this. I do have my CDL for my state Pennsylvania I did not go to a driving school for my CDL just to take the road coarse test after I took the written permit test and pass. I do know that they keep making the test harder here in the states every 5 years. If you go through the school you will be required to do a min of 100 hours or more to pass the test but since I didn't take the schools coarse I had a higher score I had to get in order to pass my test instead of knowing about 90% of everything I had to do flawlessly without any screw ups. What helped me out was I drove them I was only 12 years old on the farm so I was basically driving before I was even allow to actually be driving
This doesn't suprise me.....though I think the fault often lies with both the truck drivers and other drivers on the road. I think just the size of the trucks can add risk when ppl try passing etc.
Very poor of market place to demonize truckers like they have, I've been at it for 43 yrs and probably saved more lives driving than they would want to know. Driving is an attitude, 4 wheelers included. Why are the governments issuing licences to people they shouldn't.... Of any class. Government wouldn't be upset if these driver trainers failed to many subsidized students now would they? Market place.... You don't know half of it. Do a proper investigation!!! Follow the money!!!!
As far as the federal minister, the biggest issue he has is that the provinces have each long fought against federal regulations for traffic safety, so each province sets its own rules and procedures (such as a flashing green traffic light in Ontario means that traffic in the opposite direction is still on red and thus left turns can be made, while in BC it denotes that pedestrians are potentially crossing the street and so to exercise caution). The provinces argue that the federal government taking such actions is a violation of their provincial sovereignty.
Another factor Marketplace is overlooking, is employers who push their drivers to bend the rules in the interest of shaving time off of the delivery of goods, and in some cases instruct those drivers to break the law just to get to their intended destination. They then turn around when police come to talk to them about a violation which one of their drivers committed, and insist that they are all about driver safety and that they never instructed the driver to do what they did, even though in reality they had ordered them to drive in such a manner, unless the driver wishes to be either docked pay, or be fired.
Think of this. Heath did very well for his amount of experience. Think of how bad this would be if he was not as conscientious.
Obviously it's the truck drivers fault for everything. Never the car drivers for cutting them off, or unsafely passed the truck.
(edit) People are concerned about safety, but they don't understand the industry. In Saskatchewan, many of the drivers looking for the license to drive are people who work on the farms, not over the road drivers.
Need to revise how drivers are paid. When they are paid by the mile and limited in hours, they have incentive to drive faster than is safe.
Except most companies govern their trucks around 60 mph
I got my CDL in the USA with about 1 hour at most experience on how to back up in a parking lot and about maybe 1 hour at most of driving on the road so I have my CDL with maybe 2 hours experience. Don’t worry I decided not to go trucking, you’re safe.
The one thing I dislike the most about being a truck driver is that I have to anticipate other people's actions
we have a huge problem with this in texas - the 18 wheelers will tailgate a few feet behind you on the freaking highway happens everyday
Do you know why I don’t get into accidents? Because I do not give people the opportunity to create one! Do you know why I don’t get speeding tickets? I don’t follow the “flow” of traffic! Do you know why I don’t have to make abrupt lane changes? I scan my surroundings at all times. I scan my mirrors continuously! I drive in the right furthest lane and 5 mph under the posted speed limit! I also don’t get into accidents because of a mandatory law called a PRE-TRIP-INSPECTION.. My rig does not move until I deem it safe for public roads! THIS IS MY KINGDOM AND I RULE MY KINGDOM
Pay I used to get was about $21 hour in 2021.Needless to say I recently quit.
Ontario
Annual inspection for ALL cars and trucks like in the EU.
And a special separate drivers licence for cars AND trucks.
In the EU we have a drivers licence for almost everything.
Motorcycle - car - truck - bus - farmvehicle - moped.
And a separate licence for a trailer.
For large vehicles, (trucks and busses) you also need to visit a doctor every 5 years to renew your license.
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I have a truck license and that took 10 4-hour lessons. (excluding theory training)
The drive from Mcbride to Prince George has surprised me how many aggressive truck drivers I've experienced on that stretch. They tailgate constantly with the brightest light add ons I've seen. If an animal jumped in front of your smaller vehicle they never keep enough stopping distance to avoid rear ending you. Plus with the extreme headlights in your rear mirrors its a struggle to see those deer in front.
Here first get B-license (Normal Car) 10 hours of theory, 20 hours of road training (+ driving in dark and on slippery (2 hours each), then you can get C-license (lorry or truck, no trailer) with 5 hours of theory and 10 hours of road training, and from there to E-license (Truck or lorry with trailer) with 2 hours of theory and 5 hours of road training.
Between each step you you'll take strickt independent covernment 2 part driving test (theory and handling/driving).
We have nearly no accidents, so short training can be enough if it's given well.
I went to maximum training in Saskatoon and I had 2 hours on a simulator before actually getting behind the wheel... Then did pre trips in air training before going down the road.. Wayne (the old guy in the video) was very thorough with the group that trained with me. 10 days of schooling I passed my road test the first try...
I made my living driving trucks for over 18yrs.
No way is a person ready to deal with a truck with even 100 hrs of training.
So now he did this in perfect weather no load on with someone in the cab with him.
Cannot believe he passed in Saskatchwan without even uncoupling a truck it baffles me.
A plumber gets more training then this to be fully qualified.
The transportation industry is a big puppy mill to get freight moving plainly.
You are required to reverse a rig around cones without touching them with any of the wheels of truck, IN REVERSE.
UK REQUIRMENT FOR TEST PASS.
Because of Humboldt, Alberta is finally taking back the driver road test. It used to be privatized, like license bureaus, drivers could just basically buy a medical and license from a privatized 'tester'. If ever anyone should have to know what they're doing, and speak English, it's commercial drivers. Imagine if you could get a commercial pilot's license just by knowing which end of the plane a pilot sits in!? "What is that?" *points* "a plane" "and what is that big round thing under it?" "you mean the tire or the engine?" "YAY!!! you answered the next question with the first one! Here's your license. Good luck!"
Almost lost crashed more than one on the freeway thanks to semi trucks in USA. Did loose control while driving a mustang because semi cut me off on freeway, glad I caught traction last minute, but did get a whiplash
Here in Ct, U.S.A. I went for 6 weeks, 10 hrs a day, then had to pass a pre-trip, backing maneuvers and road test.
I am in office & also done professional driving. Driving medium vehicle (6 tyre). But i was mostly driving in the city & also on highways. I wish to be a driver (HGV). I want to be a perfect driver with training. I am commenting here for a reason, i have seen small cars driver just not allowing big trucks t enter in the city. Some disrespect for the drivers. We can't always blame the big trucks drivers also the medium car drivers should be carefully. As there are blind spots for the big trucks, just want to say drive carefully. Understand the driver his problems . The best is we respect and understand each other behind the wheels.
Happy Driving.
Safe Driving.
Thank You
I had a license to drive a commercial vehicle, I took a course at a community college and we did 80 hours of classroom before ever getting behind the wheel. The driving school on the other side of town GRADUATED drivers in less than 80 hours. I drove 700-850 miles before I took my driving test. The other school? It was rumored that you were lucky to get 25-50 miles behind the wheel.
In my state, you can take the test for a heavy truck driving license WITHOUT any instruction if you study the driving manual.
BTW, we had several people in my class who did not pass the test for a license the first time. One could not park the truck satisfactorily and another could not SHIFT from gear to gear satisfactorily.
The first trucking company I went to work for wanted graduates from the "minimalistic" school. Go figure.
I do not drive a semi but I try and give them as much room as possible. If I am passing a semi on the highway I will not pull back into that lane until I can see the whole truck in my mirrors.
In quebec training is not required and i only did 20h with technic ive had my class 1 for two years clean record but i will admit i should have had more training when starting i didnt even do any backing up in the training
A buddy of mine got ran off the road at an offramp split by the port of oakland and totaled his car smacking the beginning of the lane divider he bought the car a week previous 20 year old recalled stock airbags in a dodge intrepid are what saved his life instead of ending it surprisingly
I am a 17 year veteran truck driver. I totally agree that Driver Training should be rigorous and mandatory. Atlantic Canada companies won't hire you unless you go thru school which is 3 months when I took it. This story however does paint us in a bad light with bias statistics. Truck drivers are far safer than your average driver.
16 hours to get a truck lisence?? In Australia you need 1pp hours just to get from your L PLATES ( learner, requires other person in car) to P plates (provisional, you can drive by yourself but still limits on drinking, driving at night and other things...) for a CAR.
The gouvernment won't put laws on this because the heavy recovery industry is massive, which means the gouvernment will take in sales tax.