@VERY EVIL PERSON FROM ILLUMINATI if you see the laptimes between 2008 and 2009 you would see that theyre almost identical, mostly bcs of the return of fully slick tyres and various diffuser exploits. the cars lost the most speed when theyre switching from v10 to v8 and from v8 to v6. although throughout the post 2009 era theyre not exactly getting faster bcs the fia has a tendency to ban aero devices such as double and blown diffuser, f duct, merc's double drs, etc.
The new regs are not trying to slow the cars down... it is just a consequence of the other changes that potentially impact outright pace and lap times. Being a development series, the teams will however find ways to raise the bar and find that exrta speed with each and every update.
@@Bahamuttiamat well you have to consider that the 2020 Mercedes was just absolutely insane and I would say is arguably the best car to have ever raced in f1. Still I know what you mean but it's largely down to the engines so maybe they should start there but what do I know.
"Brown Package Cars" (I worked at UPS long ago, they HATED when people called them trucks) Also, one of the worst places I've ever worked so I say this more to mock what they would tell us.
I still believe one team will randomly show up with a car 2 seconds faster than the rest next year because they figured out something big brain that the others didnt
I wonder if the extra development time means that whatever super cool advance that one or two teams would have come up with to make that double diffuser type advantage won’t mean as much come 2022.
We don't mind if the cars become slower, we just want at least 4 teams having a shot at both championships. And everyone else closely battling it out for the midfield.
I bet the 2022 cars are going to be *WILD* . Teams have had an extra year to develop their cars (and find loopholes) yet they have not seen where they stand compared to other teams. Whatever happens there´s goin to be a big shakeup
@@soisaidtogod4248 right because the grid order didn't change in 2009 or 2014 🙄🙄, you sound like someone that's only been watching since Mercedes took over at the beginning of the V6 era
@@soisaidtogod4248 nothing chamged? 2017 - well, you can maybeee say that 2014(new engines, and aero) - Mercedes started dominating 2010(new tyres)-redbull starts its dominance 2009(simplified aero) - brawn GP won 2005(tyre change ban, diffuser size limit) - Ferrari dominance ended, renault won I could list more...
@@twlentwo my favorite one has to be the FIA banning active suspension. The FW14B is the greatest F1 car in history and one of the most technologically advanced pieces of machinery ever. Shame the FIA doesn’t let teams and engineers have fun
The 2017 rules change was incredibly short-sighted. Fans, whether in the seats or watching at home, can't really tell whether the cars are faster or slower. They can, however, see that there's no passing going on.
@@v10-e8y Agreed. The fastest cars will be the most turbulent. The less turbulent cars will sacrifice lap times for better racing. I'm all for better racing.
I doubt they'll be as fast as current cars but overall they'll be faster in high speed corners but slower in slow speed according to Charles Leclerc on the testing his has done in the sim
Raw pace is not as important as improve the ability to follow another car imho, as closer racing will make Sundays more enjoyable. How much time they'll lose compared to current spec cars is hard to say, although one thing is certain: the engineers will try to claw back as much performance as possible, especially as they get to know the cars
True, up to a point- F1 cars should be the fastest non-oval track machines, period. I would like the next-after-2022-spec to be just.. smaller. It's easier to race side by side if that doesn't mean changing the post code.
@@jajanka10 👏THIS👏RIGHT👏HERE👏 These *should* be the fastest racing cars on Earth. And they should be smaller. 800 kilograms is territory easily breached by derestricted GT cars. F1 cars should be featherweights. That doesn't mean we should sacrifice safety, but the pre-2009 cars weren't exactly deathtraps. The new cars should have been AT LEAST as small as the 2014 cars, if not smaller. Let the teams deal with the packaging challenges and bring back refueling to help with the matter.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 Good idea. I agree. Smaller equals less dirty air, more room to pass. I just want to see cars be able to pass. I've come up with the idea to renovate tracks to have multiple symmetric lines. For instance along a straight you can have one chicane go left, one right, then rejoin further down the straight again. No need to follow the car in front. To equalize both racing lines you can force cars to take a certain percentage of their laps on both sides. Say 45%.
@@buddhikaw Agreed. 2 seconds a lap slower makes the race 2-3 minutes longer which is frankly not a big deal. If they can just get the wall of dirty air that the current cars run into to be less devastating to following cars, then the racing will be better and should create more opportunities to pass. I also don't like how expensive these cars have gotten. If two hothead drivers bump into each other, it should not destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment.
You can still make an outwash front wing, and you don't unlearn what you have learned. Lots of things teams learned this year with regards to ride height and how the floor works means they have a lot of ideas to try out next year.
I’m so excited to see the cars hit the track for the first time. You know at least one team will have a car that looks way different than the model car the FIA has shown us.
Id love to see a team post that they are posting faster lap times even if not entirely true (a specific track or weather condition), just to see the ensuing chaos.
imagine building one of the worlds fastest racecars (ever?) and then people just shitting on it constantly because there are 9 (far) better ones competing with you
@@boezerdieser I guess my comment was a little snarky in retrospect, but we joke about it because it shows they still have a way to go. Haas has a good pedigree in NASCAR and I do sincerely hope they can get back to their strong midfield showings come the new regulations
@@boezerdieser they’re basically operating at 97% of the performance level of Mercedes’ and red bull. Such a tiny difference, but every one shits on them lol
Honestly, who gives a toss if theyre 0.3s a lap slower if there is exciting racing happening more than 3 times a season!! EDIT: Bernie Ecclestone enters the chat
@@pauloaz496 well, so basically honda pulled out of F1 at the end of 2008, and Ross Brawn bought the team for 1 pound and took over. He didn't have an engine so he bought one from Mercedes, and the car was barely finished in time for the season start. They found a loophole in the rules and created the double diffuser. Long story short, the low budget team won both championships
@UC77smUweRnw3jsNNik2nArw Lmao you're a tool, "pinnacle of motorsport" is just a side effect of the nature of the cars, do you suppose they should remove the halo? let them reduce the weight of the material so the cars are faster? your way of thinking is what led to group b rallying, and we know how that turned out. F1 is an engineering battle, with the teams coming up with their own formulas to win races, it's not just a "haha fast racing" series like you seem to think it is
Wish they were smaller thus lighter, it would really be great. With the low pressure downforce creating much less drag I imagine the cars will be faster on the straights and in the high speed corners, the exact reason they were banned, well let's just see how it all plays out.
I think a change in the length or wheelbase would make the cars really unstable, they’d have to change in a lot more ways than size maybe. Here’s hoping for a great season! 😁
I didn’t really think of the cars’ pace next season, I just really want to see how each team tackles the new regulations and any cheeky innovations they squeeze out of them
Thank you Seth. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that notices that Engineering is on show as well as the driver's skill. I just wish all those that want to see the whole field covered by half a second, with 14 overtakes per lap, would move to South Carolina where they can watch overweight tin tops turn left all day.
Depends if he's talking qualifying pace or race pace. At the moment tyre limitations make race pace much lower than qualifying pace. Potentially with the tyre changes, the race pace might not be much lower, if drivers can push more consistently.
The Halo and other internal crash structures did add some weight. but most of the added weight allowance is because they want to encourage teams to use less exotic (Read: less expensive) alloys in the engine.
Does absolute speed really matter though? Sure, cars are now much faster than they were in the early 2000s but due to low corner speeds and high stability they have looked as agile as a mobility scooter ever since 2014. Hope this improves with the new regulations
Shut up lol f1 cars are faster than ever in cornering speed (2020 was the pinnacle), what you are claiming is nonsense. Hence why the lap times are lower than ever. 2014-2016 is no the same as 2017 - 2021 at all.
There is never a race at Monaco,it is always a prosescion of cars.The one who trains fastest will win,when nothing special happend. Bye bye Monaco,streetcirquits and thilkedromo,s.Bring back the real tracks from the 80,s,cars with a V10 or V12 na,skirts for the groundeffect,refilling as much as you like. It is a race and not a who got the most efficient car parade.
@@sharvapotdar3257 why,the new tracks are boaring,no more great overtakings like on a tracl like spa or the hockenheimring,monza or zandvoort. Has nothing to do with age. When the F1 is the top of the top in motorsports,why use a scooter instead of giving the team more freedom in develponig the cars?? Ever seen races from the the 80,s?? Then F1 was realy spectacular,and less idiotic rules of tracklimits with ridicules penalty,s.
less power, less downforce and aerodynamic grip, less mechanical grip and more weight. The cars are definitely going to be a few seconds slower at least and no amount of FIA/F1 shilling can make it otherwise. *_AT MOST_* the pace of the new cars (after time and much fiddling from the teams) *_may_* be able to get back up to 2020/2021 levels of overall race pace, but they will still be slightly slower and like the current cars, absolute pigs in anything but fast corners. Overtaking and close racing will still remain a challenge for a variety of reasons that these rule changes do not address. As it stands F1 racing is like racing very fast boats on tarmac.
They're still huge Chevy Suburban Boats... That's great that they're faster, but I miss the smaller, agile, and twitchy cars that could turn on a dime.
Most defiantly, Mercs or RB or possibly even McLaren will show up with a car that will be just absolutely blistering pace, and everyone else will be 2 to 3 seconds off the pace of that car. It happens every time and I suspect that 2022, is no different animal.
I feel like 2022 will be status quo for that season as the best teams have the best people - as much as it would hilarious to see Maz leading the championship, I can;t see Haas creating a BGP 001 for example.
no matter what big changes affects big engineering which leads bigger teams got the advantage at the first place. Cost is always gonna be a problem with that much change
I'll take a couple seconds slower if it made everyone more competitive. I don't want it to be Indy style spec cars, but would be nice to see drastic competitive advantages amongst the same teams shrink, so we see more random podium combinations.
The cost cap on the Teams, redistribution of payments, sliding scale of aerodynamics testing, and the 2022 technical regulations are all measures brought in by Liberty media to remove the advantage the the big spending teams had developed - fingers crossed it works
My guess is the performance losses will be minimal. Just an additional comment to say that I think The Race is among the leaders in informed content on F1. Really enjoy this channel.
Youre so right ! And im sure there is a lot of loopholes to, when Merc expert team reads the new regulations they find a handful of holes. Like a Suisse cheese.
I still don't think this will lead to exciting battles at the front. Perhaps more midfield battles but as ever, whoever figures out the "trick" to the regulations will just race away ahead in the races. Even more so now because any slip ups in qualifying will be easier to recover as the overtaking will be easier.
I think the fans could be in for a treat next year! All these things are good signs that we could see some really good wheel to wheel fighting among the drivers and teams for wins & championships!
I guess it’s the same game as usual. F1 teams will always find away to make them faster. I do believe the FIA should bring back the naturally aspirated V-12’s Make F1 sound like a racing car again! I’m sure I’ll have people telling me turbo’s are faster etc. Bah humbug! As you can see in this video either engines will be fast as hell. It’s all in the rules and the bending of the rules. I saw Senna qualify feet from me in the V-12 Honda and trust me there is a difference!
Cornering speeds seem like they will be much higher with the new side boards. They aren’t exactly like the 80s vacuum effect, but it does increase the downforce a good bit. Also, the backfield racers will be far closer to the middle pack with the new rim sizes and reduced dirty air. Should make for tighter and more exciting GPs
With the new generation of cars depending on ground effects generated by the "tunnels", I can't help wondering what the effect might be if elements of the underside are damaged by some of the kerbs. We have seen some spectacular damage done at circuits which have higher kerbs but, on the whole, whilst costly in terms of financial / repairs, they have not been significantly dangerous. I recall that there was concern about ground effects back in the early '80s that damage might cause a sudden loss of downforce resulting in a car flying off the circuit and serious injury and, as far as I can recall, this was one of the reasons ground effects and skirts were banned back then. I am hoping the new generation won't suffer the same way.
People always forget about F2 and f3 or even Indy car. People do not realize the true dna and nature of f1 there has always been a dominant force and that tradition needs to stay the same.
Moving away from the 650kgs weight is the biggest problem of F1. The current PU formula is just too heavy for 300+ kph. Hence more downforce is needed for cornering, hence the cars are more sensitive to dirty air. Damn!
Honestly? I have and always thought the 2022 regs will make cars much faster than they are today. Venturi tunnels have not been explored and developed at the Formula 1 level for decades now. Fundamentally, Venturi tunnels should be significantly more efficient than a flat floor. I personally think that they'll match 2021 times by the second half of 2022, and I would be very surprised if they weren't outright quicker in 2023. The developmental potential is still absolutely massive, so gains will be found very quickly
if these regs work well, the next objective for fia should be -Lighter cars. Adding back refueling would be nice, if they can find a way to make it safer. This would save some weight and might even give us fuel strategies. (do you stop for fuel mid race or fill up for the whole race from the start) -More powerful engines, maybe 1500hp (more sound would be nice too) -Change DRS rules so that anyone can use it anytime they want. Doesn't matter if they are first or last. (this is an easy way to make the cars faster too)
I don‘t think the cars need to be more powerful. And it would stress the engines too much, going back to that time where an engine only lasted one race. Also I think allowing teams to use drs everytime they want would be safety risk. Teams pushing to hard and try using drs in places where is shouldn‘t be used and flying off the track
@@gramsta836 that’s what next years regulations are all about. Dirty air from the leading cars make cars following them struggle to follow for extended periods and make it difficult to overtake without DRS. Next year’s regulations main aim is to reduce the negative effect from dirty air and thus make it easier for the chasing car to get close. Early tests show at least 50% improvements and possibly much higher. Can’t wait to see how this actually plays out next year
I think Red Bull will be very quick with the new cars as Mr Newey who designs them just happened to be the designer the last time ground effect cars were raced and nobody got near his cars.
Can there be a racing series where within a budget constraint you can do whatever? Call it, Formula Death. Brabham style fan, 4 driven wheels in the back, 4 steering wheels in the front, abs, traction control, adaptive suspension, hella turbskies, hella hrsprs, all the downforce, all corners banked, wider tracks, no restrictions on length/width/weight of car. Oh, and let inmates on death row race…
time loss for which type of track? that's a big variable. also teams have been developing for an extra year now, granted without actual track time, but still that's at least worth 1s
so many other types of racing categories which are way more competitive than F1.... F1 has to become more competitive otherwise the fan club will slowly die off.... like Nascar i got into 2 years ago that is proper hard close racing. DTM too. great stuff. even F2 is more fun to watch than F1
I think f1 cars should be the quickest cars on the planet around any circuit. They should be pushing the envelope on what is possible. I was really happy this appeared to be the case from 2017 onwards as imo having lap records last set in the early 2000s is wrong.
Yea but that's not practical. Race tracks are not capable of handling cars that go faster. They could make F1 cars go 300mph, but it wouldn't be safe. And the braking zones are already far too short which makes overtaking much harder than in previous years.
There's nothing wrong with it but that has never been the nature of F1, there always have been (and always will be) dominant teams and struggling teams
And....@3:29 they must all be having that famous Zoolander moment in their own heads. What Zoolander moment am I talking about? How are we going to fit all those drivers into that car? That was something that the FIA did not anticipate.
I reckon the running order for the teams will be much the same as it is now, really looking forward to close racing putting more emphasis on driver skill rather than money thrown at development, at the start anyway maybe?
Regardless if they are a little faster or a little slower, if it levels the playing field and makes it more competitive across the grid I think the fans win. Love the look of the new cars!
That’s only because fast cars have more downforce and therefore more dirty air. If there is less dirty air due to regulations, then speed won’t matter as much
@@implodingbaby it's not really "racing", is it. Hillclimbs and rally while are considered racing, there's no wheel to wheel combat, which is the stuff that literally every racing fan looks for
@@A.i.r_K The revival takes place on Goodwood circuit, not the hillclimb. It's actual wheel-to-wheel racing between cars from every era of motorsport. If you want to see actual 60s F1 cars race each other flat out on track, the Revival is a great way to experience it!
We also know from history that the longer the lead in time the bigger the gap between the big and the small teams. hope im wrong but the extra year might give them an even bigger advantage
Exactly why are we so incredibly concerned about the cars' pace again? I'm wondering whether those raceability improvements and getting the wake out of the way stuff actually works and improves racing or if it's nothing but a nice idea.
I'm more and more excited to see those cars in action ! It's getting really close now. Their speed isn't all important for me (so long as they're not 10s slower) but I want to see good racing, just like everyone else. The thing that irritates me, is the size and weight of those cars... Just 15 years ago, cars were 620kg and not fueled for the whole race. They were 30 cm narrower I believe, and at least 1meter shorter. They were so agile ! But also less stuck to the track, making them so hard to drive, and that showed ! Now they really seem to be on rails sometimes. I hope they make the cars smaller, even though they could become a bit slower. But the 2004 cars were way smaller, didn't produce as much dirty air, and yet they were faster than today's cars and we had good racing (not exactly in 2004 because Ferrari was miles ahead, but look at 2003 with very few changes)
The 2004 cars were not faster than today's cars. They were faster than the early V6 hybrid cars, but the 2017 rules changes made them a LOT faster and they started breaking records set in 2004. Then they kept getting faster and faster, until this year when the rule changes made them slightly slower than the 2020 cars.
One thing is safe: you cannot predict anything in F1. Like this year to last year, everyone was like Lewis wins is 8th title by far easily. What we now have is one of the most thrilling season ever! Let´s go 2022, bring it on
Isola: "So they feel like more of a racing tyre" Nice marketing spin. I don't remember drivers complaining about imprecision or lack of reactivity in the decades of big sidewall tyres before Pirelli were asked to make shit tyres.
my real wonder is if we will still get this high vs low rake split among cars or if they will all adopt a similar rake given that venturi tunnels will now be the key feature.
This rake ideology is going to the bin I think, as you will want the complete floor much closer to the ground. Unless someone comes with another out of the box idea..
Ground Effect is going to get, as it did in the 80s, completely out of control within half a decade, and it's gonna wind up banned. The next solution is going to be no outwash aero, V4s, and basically entirely open traction, breaking aids and active suspension.
HAAS has been too quiet and “under the radar” for quite some time now, and they are definitely trying to run incognito when it comes to development and “projections” for next year… I think they might have something up their sleeve. I sure would be fun to want him them mixing with the midfielders.
I don't have much hope for them. It's like Red Bull in Nascar, just didn't work. Haas is a Nascar team attempting to play F1 operating in a tiny town in North Carolina. It's like running a Nascar program in Austria and expecting to go to places like Darlington and compete. I think they're more likely to not exist in Formula 1 by 2025 than still be involved.
Haas is meant for NASCAR or maybe they should go to IndyCar, I don’t know for sure but they keep hitting rock bottom in F1. Maybe for a replacement team should be Porsche f1 team, Bugatti F1 team, or even Lamborghini f1 team. This is just my opinion!!!
@@aaronmiller5012 They're still pretty good in Nascar. I think they might have led the series in wins for 2020 with Harvick winning all those races. This year Hendrick was like Red Bull/Mercs so Haas had no chance. They're like McLaren/Ferrari level in Cup series; top end of mid pack into upper tier but not close to Hendrick/Gibbs
@@JacobStevens13 Haas better come up with something to get out of the hole in F1 or else things will go down the pan for them. What engine is Haas running? Maybe get a Mercedes engine haas.
the biggest thing is that the fia has started to try and reduce the current footprint of the cars by finally adding a length limit that coincides with the current Mercedes. hopefully this will mean further restrictions on car size which will mean less track space taken up, less surfaces to create air disturbances and better racing. we've learned from brawn GP and Ferrari the Ross is a brilliant dude so i have no doubts that these new cars will be a significant step in the right direction.
15 seconds slower and its not F1. An F1 car by regulation has to be the fastest car comfortably around an non oval track the reason the 2017 changes even came was that F1 cars were getting uncomfortably close to LMP1 and GP2 times
I just have the feeling that F1 should have stayed the way it is right now until 2025 and then go for a full overhaul of the sport with the new engine regs + the aero regs together
Couldn't agree more. Just as the cars werr getting closer, they change the rules. Besides, if they want to go fresh, but as well start fresh everywhere, including the engines .
The question is, if the racing is getting closer due to cost caps and other regulations... Do you think 'racier' cars will help or hinder... I think the racing will be much much better....
well tbh it's the 2022 reg's changes that made this year's racing much closer. Sure the additions of the cost cap and some other regs helped, but if all teams were focused on the 2021 cars the results would have been different. It is well known that during a regulation change, teams tries to balance the work load and resources on both sides, where some have confirmed where they were focusing on. TBH, RB have already said that they were developing this year's car as they finally have the chance to give their drivers the WDC...while Mercs have said that they believed their package were enough to fight and were focused on the 2022 car.
Don't care about the speed drop (unless they drop to F2 levels) I want close racing - cars following each other so drivers can make the difference with overtakes
Honestly, I think that's good. Maybe the 2022 cars will finally look like they are actually doing 300 KM/H and are always on edge again. Me personally, I hope that Codemasters is able to replicate that experience into the F1 2022 game 😀
@@remphey if CM makes a 'more realistic' f1 game, a lot of people will surely stop. What makes it fun actually for most of the player base is how easy it can be handled, even with no assists on. Though, sure this will make it a more enjoyable driving, I think they are actually doing a good job in terms of gameplay they are offering. I hope to see another f1 game with much better physics with the current ones still being available to a more generic public.
@@leeroythelight I thought the handling was good. You know, F1 2020 was my first real racing game and then I tried the Assetto Corsa RSS F1 mod and it just felt a lot more satisfying. I know this is subjective but I just wanted to say that. Also I don't think that a (more) realistic would draw people away. More realistic does not always equal to more difficult (for example F1 drivers apparently said that the IRL cars have more grip than in the game). What they could also do is make a setting called "Realistic handling" and "Casual handling" or something. I hope they use EA's money properly because all I want is to know how difficult it actually is to drive a F1 car in terms of handling.
@@remphey yea , the handling is good for what it aims to be. They never wanted their f1 games to be fully sim like, and that's what is good about it. Though, I would say that being more sim give less margins of error, even though it doesn't translate to being more difficult, it make it so that errors you do just make it less forgivable. I think this is subject to skill/experience... As this is related to the game's physics themselves, it's nearly impossible to satisfy both ends. How it actually is I think is good enough to please both sides
Even if they are going to be slower next year who gives a flying fuck. They aren’t going to be racing 2021 cars against 2022 cars. So you won’t know the difference.
This seems to be the first time rules have been changed for the good of the sport, not to suit a certain team or respond to a single teams' rapid development. If it's truly leveling of the playing field we'll see a completely different landscape next year, with Williams and others able to compete for wins. I hope.
Backmarker teams will still be slow, there will always be dominant teams it’s just how close you can race if you have the pace advantage that’ll change
@@johnmcglasson3287 “Williams and others able to compete for wins” “Completely different landscape” “Levelling of the playing field” All these things indicate you think this is going to be like stock cars, which it won’t, you will not be finding haas and Williams near the front if they are a weak team, you may find a new team at the front of the grid but that will be regular and because their car is better than expected, this won’t be a “pole one race 20th the next” scenario
I remember Adrian Newey once saying something like: The job of the cars designer - when he's facing new regulations - is not to make the car go faster but to regain as much laptime as possible. Teams will definitely find many innovative ways to make the 2022 cars almost as fast as the last gen cars.
I have a feeling that overtaking might not be as easy as they say it will. The cars will be so bulky and heavy that wont allow the drivers to throw them around as much.
depends on circuit. the tracks that are faster, these cars will gain advantage of being more slippery. You can tell that many cars this year are suffering from too much drag already. If cars are more narrow, and more slippery, they will use less fuel, and hence, start races with less weight.
If the pace does drop, it'll in part be due to E10 fuels requiring better fuel 'management' during the race. Welcome back to the boredom of watching cars driving well within their potential, even more than they do now, just to save fuel.
It's hard to say how much ground effect will really do, but I think the cars will be 1-2 seconds slower in the beginning of the season, maybe a bit more for the weaker teams (whoever they may be), and then it will close in over the season. I don't think the cars will ever be as fast as last year's unless ground effect tunnels prove to be insanely powerful.
I'm really looking forward to these cars, mainly because I think the cars of the last 5 years have been hideous! But anyone who watches other motorsports knows that outright speed doesn't really matter if the racing is good!
If the current tires are already dying at the current weight and load, what makes them think wheel to wheel with heavier cars? I look forward to closer racing, but perelli is going to have to work some magic into the tires.
The tire design is completely different for the 18 inch wheel and the force is being put on the 18 inch wheelbase tires are going to be completely different than the 13 inch. Tire heating, wear, and use are going to be completely different next year.
The only thing that saddens me about these new regs, and ANY new regs tbh, is the constant weight gain of the cars. It’s anti F1 in my opinion. I know, I know, safety blah blah…… but still…
The issue isn't how fast they are, the issue is that they are now basically a spec series. I'm still curious how it will turn out but really for me it would be not a good thing if all teams are within half a second like many people wish they were. F1 isn't just a drivers-championship, it a battle of the engineers as well. I don't mind one team dominating a season, I mind if it's the same team many years.
I swear this happens with any rules that are supposed to slow the cars down. F1 teams are unstoppable
It wasn't meant to slow them, the aim was to improve overtaking and as a result of the changes it was theorised that the cars would be slower.
When you consider this year's car is already seconds slower than last years....is it really that impressive?
@VERY EVIL PERSON FROM ILLUMINATI if you see the laptimes between 2008 and 2009 you would see that theyre almost identical, mostly bcs of the return of fully slick tyres and various diffuser exploits. the cars lost the most speed when theyre switching from v10 to v8 and from v8 to v6. although throughout the post 2009 era theyre not exactly getting faster bcs the fia has a tendency to ban aero devices such as double and blown diffuser, f duct, merc's double drs, etc.
The new regs are not trying to slow the cars down... it is just a consequence of the other changes that potentially impact outright pace and lap times. Being a development series, the teams will however find ways to raise the bar and find that exrta speed with each and every update.
@@Bahamuttiamat well you have to consider that the 2020 Mercedes was just absolutely insane and I would say is arguably the best car to have ever raced in f1. Still I know what you mean but it's largely down to the engines so maybe they should start there but what do I know.
FIA: "Next year's cars will be UPS trucks."
F1 teams: **new track records**
Exactly
Lmfao
haha, good one
Like literally, how fast can they go if they keep making records every year? imagine the future wtf
"Brown Package Cars"
(I worked at UPS long ago, they HATED when people called them trucks) Also, one of the worst places I've ever worked so I say this more to mock what they would tell us.
I still believe one team will randomly show up with a car 2 seconds faster than the rest next year because they figured out something big brain that the others didnt
I wonder if the extra development time means that whatever super cool advance that one or two teams would have come up with to make that double diffuser type advantage won’t mean as much come 2022.
nah they learned their lesson with pink mercedes, they wont be reckless with it
@@leonzhu1301 pink Merc was one part of a bigger issue. Loopholes. Teams are good at finding them and suing them. Case 1, DAS
Fingers Crossed it’s HAAS 😂👍
@@MrFrazierCampbell I mean they do have a whole extra year of working to show with them not doing anything to this year's car.
We don't mind if the cars become slower, we just want at least 4 teams having a shot at both championships. And everyone else closely battling it out for the midfield.
uhhh yea no thanks.
@@sfgdragoon wdym no thanks you don’t like to see some competition
canadiangod25 hes a merc fan
@@canadianshai2561 theyre just a mercedes fan dont worry
"Bono can that comment be deleted"
I bet the 2022 cars are going to be *WILD* .
Teams have had an extra year to develop their cars (and find loopholes) yet they have not seen where they stand compared to other teams. Whatever happens there´s goin to be a big shakeup
New to F1 then, nothing is really going to change.
@@soisaidtogod4248 right because the grid order didn't change in 2009 or 2014 🙄🙄, you sound like someone that's only been watching since Mercedes took over at the beginning of the V6 era
@@soisaidtogod4248 nothing chamged?
2017 - well, you can maybeee say that
2014(new engines, and aero) - Mercedes started dominating
2010(new tyres)-redbull starts its dominance
2009(simplified aero) - brawn GP won
2005(tyre change ban, diffuser size limit) - Ferrari dominance ended, renault won
I could list more...
@@twlentwo my favorite one has to be the FIA banning active suspension. The FW14B is the greatest F1 car in history and one of the most technologically advanced pieces of machinery ever. Shame the FIA doesn’t let teams and engineers have fun
@@jclips2098 it's actually FW15C, with Alain Prost running circles around Senna in '93
The 2017 rules change was incredibly short-sighted. Fans, whether in the seats or watching at home, can't really tell whether the cars are faster or slower. They can, however, see that there's no passing going on.
5 seconds quicker is definitely noticeable. slow cars aren’t particularly exciting
They had to make them faster than the v8s at least.
I am hoping for more overtaking next year! Too many races this year where nobody can get close enough to overtake with the dirty air
@@10001000101 the v8s were faster than the currents but were revlimited
@@v10-e8y Agreed. The fastest cars will be the most turbulent. The less turbulent cars will sacrifice lap times for better racing. I'm all for better racing.
The new F1 cars may start slower, but as is the nature of F1, I’m sure the teams will get the performance back by the end of the year‼️💯🏎🏁
Ye
I doubt they'll be as fast as current cars but overall they'll be faster in high speed corners but slower in slow speed according to Charles Leclerc on the testing his has done in the sim
Also potentially lighter...may be the 2025 engine might do it
@@MagnumLoadedTractor yeah but even then i doubt the cars will be much lighter if at all
These Shitboxes are literal ripoffs of 90's Reynard 99i CART cars with a bit of Modern Indycar on top of it, F1AMG ran out of ideas
Raw pace is not as important as improve the ability to follow another car imho, as closer racing will make Sundays more enjoyable.
How much time they'll lose compared to current spec cars is hard to say, although one thing is certain: the engineers will try to claw back as much performance as possible, especially as they get to know the cars
True, up to a point- F1 cars should be the fastest non-oval track machines, period. I would like the next-after-2022-spec to be just.. smaller. It's easier to race side by side if that doesn't mean changing the post code.
@@jajanka10 👏THIS👏RIGHT👏HERE👏
These *should* be the fastest racing cars on Earth. And they should be smaller. 800 kilograms is territory easily breached by derestricted GT cars. F1 cars should be featherweights. That doesn't mean we should sacrifice safety, but the pre-2009 cars weren't exactly deathtraps. The new cars should have been AT LEAST as small as the 2014 cars, if not smaller. Let the teams deal with the packaging challenges and bring back refueling to help with the matter.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 Good idea. I agree. Smaller equals less dirty air, more room to pass. I just want to see cars be able to pass. I've come up with the idea to renovate tracks to have multiple symmetric lines. For instance along a straight you can have one chicane go left, one right, then rejoin further down the straight again. No need to follow the car in front. To equalize both racing lines you can force cars to take a certain percentage of their laps on both sides. Say 45%.
AND to make their cars put off the dirtiest air possible under the new rules. Perhaps a series sponsor will come foward to reward this lol.
@@buddhikaw Agreed. 2 seconds a lap slower makes the race 2-3 minutes longer which is frankly not a big deal. If they can just get the wall of dirty air that the current cars run into to be less devastating to following cars, then the racing will be better and should create more opportunities to pass.
I also don't like how expensive these cars have gotten. If two hothead drivers bump into each other, it should not destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment.
You can still make an outwash front wing, and you don't unlearn what you have learned. Lots of things teams learned this year with regards to ride height and how the floor works means they have a lot of ideas to try out next year.
I’m so excited to see the cars hit the track for the first time. You know at least one team will have a car that looks way different than the model car the FIA has shown us.
Ofc, there are 2 or 3 body types they can choose from I think
Hoping for a 2004 Williams?! 😁
you were right, ferrari is massively different in concept imo
you just know that some teams saw pat symonds statement and are sweating bullets if their cars are nowhere near 0.5s slower than this year 🤣
Haas👀😂
@@TheUltimateClashGuide think they'll be sweating bullets if their 2022 car isn't quicker than their current shitbox 😂
Id love to see a team post that they are posting faster lap times even if not entirely true (a specific track or weather condition), just to see the ensuing chaos.
I hope with all the time they say they're giving the '22 specs Haas can roll up in something better than a motorized shopping cart next season
imagine building one of the worlds fastest racecars (ever?) and then people just shitting on it constantly because there are 9 (far) better ones competing with you
@@boezerdieser I guess my comment was a little snarky in retrospect, but we joke about it because it shows they still have a way to go. Haas has a good pedigree in NASCAR and I do sincerely hope they can get back to their strong midfield showings come the new regulations
@@wildsnivy7225 yeah they scored podiums when they first entered F1 right ? And tbh I'd love for Mick to show what he can do ^^'
@@boezerdieser they’re basically operating at 97% of the performance level of Mercedes’ and red bull. Such a tiny difference, but every one shits on them lol
Motorized shopping cart 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, who gives a toss if theyre 0.3s a lap slower if there is exciting racing happening more than 3 times a season!! EDIT: Bernie Ecclestone enters the chat
"who gives a fuck"
Well, this season there was like 9 or 10 exciting races (so far xd)
@VERY EVIL PERSON FROM ILLUMINATI who's braun gp?
@@pauloaz496 well, so basically honda pulled out of F1 at the end of 2008, and Ross Brawn bought the team for 1 pound and took over. He didn't have an engine so he bought one from Mercedes, and the car was barely finished in time for the season start. They found a loophole in the rules and created the double diffuser. Long story short, the low budget team won both championships
@UC77smUweRnw3jsNNik2nArw Lmao you're a tool, "pinnacle of motorsport" is just a side effect of the nature of the cars, do you suppose they should remove the halo? let them reduce the weight of the material so the cars are faster? your way of thinking is what led to group b rallying, and we know how that turned out. F1 is an engineering battle, with the teams coming up with their own formulas to win races, it's not just a "haha fast racing" series like you seem to think it is
Wish they were smaller thus lighter, it would really be great.
With the low pressure downforce creating much less drag I imagine the cars will be faster on the straights and in the high speed corners, the exact reason they were banned, well let's just see how it all plays out.
I think a change in the length or wheelbase would make the cars really unstable, they’d have to change in a lot more ways than size maybe.
Here’s hoping for a great season! 😁
2011 cars looked great
That's not how it works the lighter the car doesn't necessarily mean it would be faster
I didn’t really think of the cars’ pace next season, I just really want to see how each team tackles the new regulations and any cheeky innovations they squeeze out of them
Thank you Seth. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that notices that Engineering is on show as well as the driver's skill. I just wish all those that want to see the whole field covered by half a second, with 14 overtakes per lap, would move to South Carolina where they can watch overweight tin tops turn left all day.
Depends if he's talking qualifying pace or race pace. At the moment tyre limitations make race pace much lower than qualifying pace. Potentially with the tyre changes, the race pace might not be much lower, if drivers can push more consistently.
They need to make the cars lighter again, the fact that they are closer to a ton then 1/2 ton is just ridiculous
They can't till battery technology improves those damn batteries are just so heavy.
@@zachemorgan the batteries weigh a maximum of 25 kg, doesn’t seem to be the issue
The Halo and other internal crash structures did add some weight. but most of the added weight allowance is because they want to encourage teams to use less exotic (Read: less expensive) alloys in the engine.
@@Hirosjimma which makes the racing worse. If F1 keeps going these cars will weigh a ton in 10 years
@@gamm8939 but expensive materials bring worse racing too. Only teams with the highest budgets would be able to buy them.
Hopefully they'll be slower lap times because there's more actual RACING! 👍
Does absolute speed really matter though? Sure, cars are now much faster than they were in the early 2000s but due to low corner speeds and high stability they have looked as agile as a mobility scooter ever since 2014.
Hope this improves with the new regulations
They're still as long as barges tho.
Low corner speeds ⁉️
@@yenice3652 by modern standards
Low corner speeds? What?
Shut up lol f1 cars are faster than ever in cornering speed (2020 was the pinnacle), what you are claiming is nonsense. Hence why the lap times are lower than ever. 2014-2016 is no the same as 2017 - 2021 at all.
2:15 there was no race at Monaco in 2020 so it shouldn’t be included
There is never a race at Monaco,it is always a prosescion of cars.The one who trains fastest will win,when nothing special happend. Bye bye Monaco,streetcirquits and thilkedromo,s.Bring back the real tracks from the 80,s,cars with a V10 or V12 na,skirts for the groundeffect,refilling as much as you like. It is a race and not a who got the most efficient car parade.
@@janvanrenselaar5998 ok grandpa let's get you to bed
@@sharvapotdar3257 why,the new tracks are boaring,no more great overtakings like on a tracl like spa or the hockenheimring,monza or zandvoort. Has nothing to do with age. When the F1 is the top of the top in motorsports,why use a scooter instead of giving the team more freedom in develponig the cars?? Ever seen races from the the 80,s?? Then F1 was realy spectacular,and less idiotic rules of tracklimits with ridicules penalty,s.
But Grandpa is right….
@@sharvapotdar3257 But Grandpa is right…
I'm excited for the upcoming year, I hope that car's colorway are become more beautiful and blend well to the design
less power, less downforce and aerodynamic grip, less mechanical grip and more weight. The cars are definitely going to be a few seconds slower at least and no amount of FIA/F1 shilling can make it otherwise. *_AT MOST_* the pace of the new cars (after time and much fiddling from the teams) *_may_* be able to get back up to 2020/2021 levels of overall race pace, but they will still be slightly slower and like the current cars, absolute pigs in anything but fast corners. Overtaking and close racing will still remain a challenge for a variety of reasons that these rule changes do not address. As it stands F1 racing is like racing very fast boats on tarmac.
They're still huge Chevy Suburban Boats... That's great that they're faster, but I miss the smaller, agile, and twitchy cars that could turn on a dime.
The 2013 cars were the best looking of the thin track width F1 cars imo
@@skurd721 yesss I absolutely agree those were lovely
Most defiantly, Mercs or RB or possibly even McLaren will show up with a car that will be just absolutely blistering pace, and everyone else will be 2 to 3 seconds off the pace of that car. It happens every time and I suspect that 2022, is no different animal.
I feel like 2022 will be status quo for that season as the best teams have the best people - as much as it would hilarious to see Maz leading the championship, I can;t see Haas creating a BGP 001 for example.
@Niccoló Pasquale Let’s hope he don’t spin out too much.
no matter what big changes affects big engineering which leads bigger teams got the advantage at the first place. Cost is always gonna be a problem with that much change
I'll take a couple seconds slower if it made everyone more competitive. I don't want it to be Indy style spec cars, but would be nice to see drastic competitive advantages amongst the same teams shrink, so we see more random podium combinations.
The cost cap on the Teams, redistribution of payments, sliding scale of aerodynamics testing, and the 2022 technical regulations are all measures brought in by Liberty media to remove the advantage the the big spending teams had developed - fingers crossed it works
Those car look fast but i think we will have just have to see what the drivers say and think about the car
My guess is the performance losses will be minimal.
Just an additional comment to say that I think The Race is among the leaders in informed content on F1. Really enjoy this channel.
Ca. 1s slower is my guess. However, we just want good racing. As long as they are noticably faster than F2, the time loss is irrelevant
History has shown that when the FIA has tried to slow the cars down the teams have ended up finding a way to make them faster.
2014
Hopefully they’ll be fast but I’ll believe it when I see it.
True, but a lot of times it was a setback at first and took multiple years to be as fast or faster than it was before.
Youre so right !
And im sure there is a lot of loopholes to, when Merc expert team reads the new regulations they find a handful of holes. Like a Suisse cheese.
I still don't think this will lead to exciting battles at the front. Perhaps more midfield battles but as ever, whoever figures out the "trick" to the regulations will just race away ahead in the races. Even more so now because any slip ups in qualifying will be easier to recover as the overtaking will be easier.
I think the fans could be in for a treat next year! All these things are good signs that we could see some really good wheel to wheel fighting among the drivers and teams for wins & championships!
let's just hope one team doesn't run away with the championship like merc have done in the last years
I guess it’s the same game as usual. F1 teams will always find away to make them faster. I do believe the FIA should bring back the naturally aspirated V-12’s
Make F1 sound like a racing car again! I’m sure I’ll have people telling me turbo’s are faster etc. Bah humbug! As you can see in this video either engines will be fast as hell. It’s all in the rules and the bending of the rules. I saw Senna qualify feet from me in the V-12 Honda and trust me there is a difference!
2:10 pretty sure there was no Monaco GP in 2020?
Speed has little to do with good racing. Rather, it is enough competition between the cars and passing.
Cornering speeds seem like they will be much higher with the new side boards. They aren’t exactly like the 80s vacuum effect, but it does increase the downforce a good bit. Also, the backfield racers will be far closer to the middle pack with the new rim sizes and reduced dirty air. Should make for tighter and more exciting GPs
I don't care how fast they'll be. They are beautiful!
With the new generation of cars depending on ground effects generated by the "tunnels", I can't help wondering what the effect might be if elements of the underside are damaged by some of the kerbs. We have seen some spectacular damage done at circuits which have higher kerbs but, on the whole, whilst costly in terms of financial / repairs, they have not been significantly dangerous. I recall that there was concern about ground effects back in the early '80s that damage might cause a sudden loss of downforce resulting in a car flying off the circuit and serious injury and, as far as I can recall, this was one of the reasons ground effects and skirts were banned back then. I am hoping the new generation won't suffer the same way.
Champ cars had right answer for your concerns. Those tunnels were well located not to be damaged.
People always forget about F2 and f3 or even Indy car. People do not realize the true dna and nature of f1 there has always been a dominant force and that tradition needs to stay the same.
Moving away from the 650kgs weight is the biggest problem of F1. The current PU formula is just too heavy for 300+ kph. Hence more downforce is needed for cornering, hence the cars are more sensitive to dirty air.
Damn!
750*
@@pietrovilla15 he means the old 2000s cars
@@KepleroGT Pietro Villa's new is showing. Probably a new F1 fan brought in on the Max bandwagon.
@@Chris-xl6pd I just got confused and thought he was talking about the new cars. Fuck you
@@KepleroGT the early 2000s cars were closer to 550kg
Honestly? I have and always thought the 2022 regs will make cars much faster than they are today. Venturi tunnels have not been explored and developed at the Formula 1 level for decades now. Fundamentally, Venturi tunnels should be significantly more efficient than a flat floor.
I personally think that they'll match 2021 times by the second half of 2022, and I would be very surprised if they weren't outright quicker in 2023. The developmental potential is still absolutely massive, so gains will be found very quickly
if these regs work well, the next objective for fia should be
-Lighter cars. Adding back refueling would be nice, if they can find a way to make it safer. This would save some weight and might even give us fuel strategies. (do you stop for fuel mid race or fill up for the whole race from the start)
-More powerful engines, maybe 1500hp (more sound would be nice too)
-Change DRS rules so that anyone can use it anytime they want. Doesn't matter if they are first or last. (this is an easy way to make the cars faster too)
I don‘t think the cars need to be more powerful. And it would stress the engines too much, going back to that time where an engine only lasted one race.
Also I think allowing teams to use drs everytime they want would be safety risk. Teams pushing to hard and try using drs in places where is shouldn‘t be used and flying off the track
That would just defeat the entire purpose of DRS
No the next step for the FIA should be to design regulations so that F1 doesn’t need any type of pass mode or DRS
@@gramsta836 that’s what next years regulations are all about. Dirty air from the leading cars make cars following them struggle to follow for extended periods and make it difficult to overtake without DRS. Next year’s regulations main aim is to reduce the negative effect from dirty air and thus make it easier for the chasing car to get close. Early tests show at least 50% improvements and possibly much higher. Can’t wait to see how this actually plays out next year
Sadly we'll never see 1500hp again.
Hass about to pop off
I think Red Bull will be very quick with the new cars as Mr Newey who designs them just happened to be the designer the last time ground effect cars were raced and nobody got near his cars.
Mr Newey also watched Mercedes win 7 back to back constructors and WDC lol
Can there be a racing series where within a budget constraint you can do whatever?
Call it, Formula Death.
Brabham style fan, 4 driven wheels in the back, 4 steering wheels in the front, abs, traction control, adaptive suspension, hella turbskies, hella hrsprs, all the downforce, all corners banked, wider tracks, no restrictions on length/width/weight of car.
Oh, and let inmates on death row race…
time loss for which type of track? that's a big variable. also teams have been developing for an extra year now, granted without actual track time, but still that's at least worth 1s
I think Spain is the benchmark
so many other types of racing categories which are way more competitive than F1.... F1 has to become more competitive otherwise the fan club will slowly die off.... like Nascar i got into 2 years ago that is proper hard close racing. DTM too. great stuff. even F2 is more fun to watch than F1
I think f1 cars should be the quickest cars on the planet around any circuit. They should be pushing the envelope on what is possible. I was really happy this appeared to be the case from 2017 onwards as imo having lap records last set in the early 2000s is wrong.
Yea but that's not practical. Race tracks are not capable of handling cars that go faster. They could make F1 cars go 300mph, but it wouldn't be safe. And the braking zones are already far too short which makes overtaking much harder than in previous years.
Always play school for you safety nazi’s
great videos nut always too long-winded with the explanations.
I just want to see different teams on podium finishes every race weekend.
Ain't nothing wrong with a HAAS on P1 in Spa.
There's nothing wrong with it but that has never been the nature of F1, there always have been (and always will be) dominant teams and struggling teams
Haas are done in Formula 1 imo, not long now until they leave
For some reason I read it "Why F1's 2022 cars will look quicker than anyone expected"
And....@3:29 they must all be having that famous Zoolander moment in their own heads. What Zoolander moment am I talking about? How are we going to fit all those drivers into that car? That was something that the FIA did not anticipate.
Wow! thanks for all the likes on the comment I made. I appreciate that you guys got the joke. it is funny tho!
I’ll wager to say F1 cars will be fast
I reckon the running order for the teams will be much the same as it is now, really looking forward to close racing putting more emphasis on driver skill rather than money thrown at development, at the start anyway maybe?
bruh whover made that thumbnail need to get dropped fr, how the fuck you messed up using motion blur filter ong😂😂😭💀
2019 F1 cars were supposed to be 1.5 seconds slower, look how that turned out
What ? No... They weren't supposed to be
it's actually 2 seconds faster
@@anshumankakralia7542 yeah man it was about eliminating dirty air and so by removing these elements they expected the cars to be slower
I'm pretty sure the Lewis's 2019/2020 Merc is one of the best F1 cars ever.
@@croatiaboy11 Pozdrav Croatia boiii
Regardless if they are a little faster or a little slower, if it levels the playing field and makes it more competitive across the grid I think the fans win. Love the look of the new cars!
I don't know I think usually slower cars associate with better racing but time will tell that's for sure
That’s only because fast cars have more downforce and therefore more dirty air. If there is less dirty air due to regulations, then speed won’t matter as much
Have you ever seen goodwood revival, best racing I've ever seen.
@@implodingbaby it's not really "racing", is it. Hillclimbs and rally while are considered racing, there's no wheel to wheel combat, which is the stuff that literally every racing fan looks for
@@A.i.r_K they have a circuit where they do actual racing with very old cars too
@@A.i.r_K The revival takes place on Goodwood circuit, not the hillclimb.
It's actual wheel-to-wheel racing between cars from every era of motorsport.
If you want to see actual 60s F1 cars race each other flat out on track, the Revival is a great way to experience it!
We also know from history that the longer the lead in time the bigger the gap between the big and the small teams. hope im wrong but the extra year might give them an even bigger advantage
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Exactly why are we so incredibly concerned about the cars' pace again? I'm wondering whether those raceability improvements and getting the wake out of the way stuff actually works and improves racing or if it's nothing but a nice idea.
I'm more and more excited to see those cars in action ! It's getting really close now. Their speed isn't all important for me (so long as they're not 10s slower) but I want to see good racing, just like everyone else.
The thing that irritates me, is the size and weight of those cars... Just 15 years ago, cars were 620kg and not fueled for the whole race. They were 30 cm narrower I believe, and at least 1meter shorter. They were so agile ! But also less stuck to the track, making them so hard to drive, and that showed ! Now they really seem to be on rails sometimes. I hope they make the cars smaller, even though they could become a bit slower. But the 2004 cars were way smaller, didn't produce as much dirty air, and yet they were faster than today's cars and we had good racing (not exactly in 2004 because Ferrari was miles ahead, but look at 2003 with very few changes)
The 2004 cars were not faster than today's cars. They were faster than the early V6 hybrid cars, but the 2017 rules changes made them a LOT faster and they started breaking records set in 2004. Then they kept getting faster and faster, until this year when the rule changes made them slightly slower than the 2020 cars.
One thing is safe: you cannot predict anything in F1. Like this year to last year, everyone was like Lewis wins is 8th title by far easily. What we now have is one of the most thrilling season ever! Let´s go 2022, bring it on
Isola: "So they feel like more of a racing tyre"
Nice marketing spin. I don't remember drivers complaining about imprecision or lack of reactivity in the decades of big sidewall tyres before Pirelli were asked to make shit tyres.
Take me back to the cars in the early 2000s nothing can be compared to this cars driving 348 km/h
They’re going to be a lot quicker in the straights with less drag. Baku, Monza, Bahrain might see lap records broken after time
Dont forget qatar if they keep it although qatar and abu dhabi are gonna be insane if theres less drag
And spa
And spa
They’ll be a bit faster at the end of the season
my real wonder is if we will still get this high vs low rake split among cars or if they will all adopt a similar rake given that venturi tunnels will now be the key feature.
Well you just want as much of the tunnel as close to the floor as possible
This rake ideology is going to the bin I think, as you will want the complete floor much closer to the ground. Unless someone comes with another out of the box idea..
Hope they don't test at catalonia
I'm excited for the car reveals in February. It's going to be very interesting to us budding aerospace engineer wannabes.
Ground Effect is going to get, as it did in the 80s, completely out of control within half a decade, and it's gonna wind up banned. The next solution is going to be no outwash aero, V4s, and basically entirely open traction, breaking aids and active suspension.
HAAS has been too quiet and “under the radar” for quite some time now, and they are definitely trying to run incognito when it comes to development and “projections” for next year… I think they might have something up their sleeve. I sure would be fun to want him them mixing with the midfielders.
I don't have much hope for them. It's like Red Bull in Nascar, just didn't work. Haas is a Nascar team attempting to play F1 operating in a tiny town in North Carolina. It's like running a Nascar program in Austria and expecting to go to places like Darlington and compete. I think they're more likely to not exist in Formula 1 by 2025 than still be involved.
@@JacobStevens13 Well it’s a disHAASter for them. Should have stayed with NASCAR or maybe go to IndyCar.
Haas is meant for NASCAR or maybe they should go to IndyCar, I don’t know for sure but they keep hitting rock bottom in F1. Maybe for a replacement team should be Porsche f1 team, Bugatti F1 team, or even Lamborghini f1 team. This is just my opinion!!!
@@aaronmiller5012 They're still pretty good in Nascar. I think they might have led the series in wins for 2020 with Harvick winning all those races. This year Hendrick was like Red Bull/Mercs so Haas had no chance. They're like McLaren/Ferrari level in Cup series; top end of mid pack into upper tier but not close to Hendrick/Gibbs
@@JacobStevens13 Haas better come up with something to get out of the hole in F1 or else things will go down the pan for them. What engine is Haas running? Maybe get a Mercedes engine haas.
the biggest thing is that the fia has started to try and reduce the current footprint of the cars by finally adding a length limit that coincides with the current Mercedes. hopefully this will mean further restrictions on car size which will mean less track space taken up, less surfaces to create air disturbances and better racing. we've learned from brawn GP and Ferrari the Ross is a brilliant dude so i have no doubts that these new cars will be a significant step in the right direction.
For me it can be 15 seconds slower if it means closer racing. Curious to see the real pace though, it'll be interesting
F2
15 seconds slower and its not F1.
An F1 car by regulation has to be the fastest car comfortably around an non oval track the reason the 2017 changes even came was that F1 cars were getting uncomfortably close to LMP1 and GP2 times
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 you have enough brain power to understand what I meant, I trust your intelligence, you can do it buddy go go go.
I'm more inclined to unsub when this bloke asks to subscribe
3:30 George knowing he will be in a Mercedes in 2022 😂😂😂
2:15 F1 didn't race in Monaco in 2020, thats why the gap is so small.
I just have the feeling that F1 should have stayed the way it is right now until 2025 and then go for a full overhaul of the sport with the new engine regs + the aero regs together
Couldn't agree more. Just as the cars werr getting closer, they change the rules.
Besides, if they want to go fresh, but as well start fresh everywhere, including the engines
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The question is, if the racing is getting closer due to cost caps and other regulations... Do you think 'racier' cars will help or hinder... I think the racing will be much much better....
@@joebarthram596 yeah but they are quite good for close racing right now, no? We have awesome battles every race (besides monaco).
@@MKRCinema disagree, no guarantee they'd still be evenly matched next year without the reg changes. The last few years before now have been dire
well tbh it's the 2022 reg's changes that made this year's racing much closer. Sure the additions of the cost cap and some other regs helped, but if all teams were focused on the 2021 cars the results would have been different.
It is well known that during a regulation change, teams tries to balance the work load and resources on both sides, where some have confirmed where they were focusing on.
TBH, RB have already said that they were developing this year's car as they finally have the chance to give their drivers the WDC...while Mercs have said that they believed their package were enough to fight and were focused on the 2022 car.
Don't care about the speed drop (unless they drop to F2 levels) I want close racing - cars following each other so drivers can make the difference with overtakes
I think the 2022 cars are maybe 1 second slower than these years cars,but time will tell.
THE RACE: Why F1 cars 2022 will be quicker than expected!!
Result: We don't know...
Honestly, I think that's good. Maybe the 2022 cars will finally look like they are actually doing 300 KM/H and are always on edge again.
Me personally, I hope that Codemasters is able to replicate that experience into the F1 2022 game 😀
they wont. we all know that cmon. look at the glitchfest this game already is.
@@WollcottHD well yes, but since EA just bought Codemasters maybe they are now able to make an actual AAA F1 game.
@@remphey if CM makes a 'more realistic' f1 game, a lot of people will surely stop. What makes it fun actually for most of the player base is how easy it can be handled, even with no assists on. Though, sure this will make it a more enjoyable driving, I think they are actually doing a good job in terms of gameplay they are offering.
I hope to see another f1 game with much better physics with the current ones still being available to a more generic public.
@@leeroythelight I thought the handling was good. You know, F1 2020 was my first real racing game and then I tried the Assetto Corsa RSS F1 mod and it just felt a lot more satisfying. I know this is subjective but I just wanted to say that.
Also I don't think that a (more) realistic would draw people away. More realistic does not always equal to more difficult (for example F1 drivers apparently said that the IRL cars have more grip than in the game).
What they could also do is make a setting called "Realistic handling" and "Casual handling" or something. I hope they use EA's money properly because all I want is to know how difficult it actually is to drive a F1 car in terms of handling.
@@remphey yea , the handling is good for what it aims to be. They never wanted their f1 games to be fully sim like, and that's what is good about it.
Though, I would say that being more sim give less margins of error, even though it doesn't translate to being more difficult, it make it so that errors you do just make it less forgivable. I think this is subject to skill/experience...
As this is related to the game's physics themselves, it's nearly impossible to satisfy both ends. How it actually is I think is good enough to please both sides
Even if they are going to be slower next year who gives a flying fuck. They aren’t going to be racing 2021 cars against 2022 cars. So you won’t know the difference.
This seems to be the first time rules have been changed for the good of the sport, not to suit a certain team or respond to a single teams' rapid development. If it's truly leveling of the playing field we'll see a completely different landscape next year, with Williams and others able to compete for wins. I hope.
Backmarker teams will still be slow, there will always be dominant teams it’s just how close you can race if you have the pace advantage that’ll change
@@Alf763 my point is still correct, thanks for pointing out the obvious, that there are winners and losers
@@johnmcglasson3287 “Williams and others able to compete for wins”
“Completely different landscape”
“Levelling of the playing field”
All these things indicate you think this is going to be like stock cars, which it won’t, you will not be finding haas and Williams near the front if they are a weak team, you may find a new team at the front of the grid but that will be regular and because their car is better than expected, this won’t be a “pole one race 20th the next” scenario
The cars are still too big making passing difficult on too many tracks.
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Well this ages well
very well indeed
I remember Adrian Newey once saying something like: The job of the cars designer - when he's facing new regulations - is not to make the car go faster but to regain as much laptime as possible. Teams will definitely find many innovative ways to make the 2022 cars almost as fast as the last gen cars.
I have a feeling that overtaking might not be as easy as they say it will. The cars will be so bulky and heavy that wont allow the drivers to throw them around as much.
depends on circuit. the tracks that are faster, these cars will gain advantage of being more slippery. You can tell that many cars this year are suffering from too much drag already. If cars are more narrow, and more slippery, they will use less fuel, and hence, start races with less weight.
If the pace does drop, it'll in part be due to E10 fuels requiring better fuel 'management' during the race. Welcome back to the boredom of watching cars driving well within their potential, even more than they do now, just to save fuel.
It's hard to say how much ground effect will really do, but I think the cars will be 1-2 seconds slower in the beginning of the season, maybe a bit more for the weaker teams (whoever they may be), and then it will close in over the season. I don't think the cars will ever be as fast as last year's unless ground effect tunnels prove to be insanely powerful.
I'm really looking forward to these cars, mainly because I think the cars of the last 5 years have been hideous! But anyone who watches other motorsports knows that outright speed doesn't really matter if the racing is good!
Yep. Today’s cars are disgusting pigs visually. At least all the ridiculous barge board bullshit will be history.
@@user-yk4gd1fl4z yeah that's my pet hate. Ruins any shape and livery with all those dozens of little wings spouting out
If the current tires are already dying at the current weight and load, what makes them think wheel to wheel with heavier cars? I look forward to closer racing, but perelli is going to have to work some magic into the tires.
The tire design is completely different for the 18 inch wheel and the force is being put on the 18 inch wheelbase tires are going to be completely different than the 13 inch. Tire heating, wear, and use are going to be completely different next year.
melhorando as ultrapassagens e as brigas mais próximas, pode ficar mais lento a vontade
I would trade a couple of seconds of lap time for closer racing any day of the week. It doesn't matter to me.
The only thing that saddens me about these new regs, and ANY new regs tbh, is the constant weight gain of the cars. It’s anti F1 in my opinion. I know, I know, safety blah blah…… but still…
the weight gain isnt all safety, its the new engines... they weigh so much.
It’s the fucking battery and the packaging of it.
Chaps it’s the halo too. That thing weighs a ton
The issue isn't how fast they are, the issue is that they are now basically a spec series.
I'm still curious how it will turn out but really for me it would be not a good thing if all teams are within half a second like many people wish they were. F1 isn't just a drivers-championship, it a battle of the engineers as well. I don't mind one team dominating a season, I mind if it's the same team many years.