Wow! Thanks so much for showing us this amazing tool. In the mix, the ACE Studio vocal harmonies sounded very realistic. As a songwriter, I will probably get a subscription to create harmonies for my original songs. As a lousy singer, I may even pay to get a model of my voice created so I see if ACE can create a lead vocal track that sounds like me singing, but better than me actually singing. Some people might say I should just work on getting better at singing, but I don't know how well that would work out. I may try in future, but meanwhile, I'll see if AI can help. I have been using Band in a Box for several years now (first for Windows, and now for Mac). I really like it, even if the interface is a bit ugly. To me, it is pretty much AI in its ability to take the chords and melody I create and generate a very convincing song arrangement. From there, I either use the arrangement as is or as a starting point, separating the stems and replacing some or all of them with my own tracks that use some of the amazing sample libraries I own. Great fun. I haven't tried the melodist feature that generates a melody, but you've inspired me now. Again, thanks. Peter.
Synthesizer V is similar to ace studio. It's a onetime purchase. 1 for software and 1for a voice bank. It doest use cloud rendering, making it a bit faster. You can also do the voice to Ai voice like in ace studio. I actually prefer it to ace studio. Just thought I'd share
Yes, I've heard of Synthesizer V. I'm just not sure how much I can evaluate it and demonstrate it without purchasing a bunch of voices. It's been a while since I looked at it. Probably worth a revisit.
@@BobDoyleMedia Ahh Bob, this is where the fun starts with Synth V, there's a plugin called VocoFlex, made by the same company, (Dreamtonics), that they recently released, which they describe as a "real-time voice creation and transformation plug-in". So basically that means you can just purchase 1 vocalist, and transform that vocalist into any style of voice you like, i.e male/female, smooth/pure/gruff, basically any style, theres a guy with a channel called "mixPHANTOM", who has done some early testing with the plug-in that might be worth checking out. I myself have Synthesizer V, but not had a lot of time with it due to work commitments but i intend to delve deep when time allows.
Sounds are not compressed if you buy the "Audiophile Edition" (the most expensive version). Otherwise you'll have WMA files. They have a good compression, but it's still a compression.
@@codisilver Depends on the amateur. I mean people ARE doing it...AND it's getting accepted...for NOW...by SOME. This is why I did the earlier Band in a Box video because it can read the chord structure of the generated AI song and then you can recreate it with stylistic precision. I'll be doing an updated video on this soon to reflect the updates in band in a box.
Hello Friends, congrats on the content! I am hesitant on what software to use (I am a very bad singer)... Would you recommend Synthesizer V or Ace vocal Studio?
I'm actually getting ready to do an updated video on ACE Studio. Ultimately, it's going to be a matter of personal taste, and they both have their strong suits, but the new ACE Studio allows you to create a custom voice, and gives you access to their new community features, where other users share voices and more. Hopefully within the week I'll have that up.
@@BobDoyleMedia thanks for the reply, I am from Argentina, and it is hard to test the performance in spanish and with latin accent as many voices and test videos are in english, so maybe a community of users uploading voices could help me with that. Look forward to see your video. Congrats again!
Thank you for the presentation. I have tested the ACE tool. If you disregard the technology behind it and only evaluate the result. It's a toy without really useful results.
@@geroldbeck9696 I totally disagree. Even the simplest (and even broken) software in creative hands can produce amazing results. Just because it’s not how you might want it to be, doesn’t mean that incredible things can’t be created. The early electronic musicians had to make stuff up with the tools they had and created incredible things that were in no way done automatically. Bits and pieces of odd sounds are layered and combined in a creative way to produce a final result, and this tool gives us access to bits of musical pieces that we never had access to before. With the right level of imagination, this could produce incredibly useful results, depending on what result you are out to create.
You are an enviable optimist. Our perspectives are very different. Let me compare it to painting. I want to paint a picture in blue, open the paint pot that contains blue and discover that it is "only" gray. Then I can't paint my blue picture with it. You would say: "Oh, it's gray. Let's see what you can do with a grey color".
Really enjoy your video. Thanks for the help. QUESTION - Just upgraded to 2024 but have an issue. When I try to regenerate a section (a few bars), BIAB just erases that instrument in the highlighted section but does not replace it?? I have to highlight the entire song to regenerate a few bars which ruins the rest of the work you've done with that instrument. How do we fix this? Is there a work-a-round until PGM releases a new patch?
Well, actually most of this video was about arranging and mixing (though I didn't bore the viewer with it, since I hardly know what I'm doing in that area). As far as composing, you can still absolutely do that with Band in a Box. If you know the chord progression of your song then you can create an amazing starting point, which then you can rework, or just take a seed of inspiration from. The point of these tools is NOT to take away the creative process, but to enhance/assist it.
@@KenshoBeats For the most part, both these tools are best suited to create source material that would be better processed in a traditional DAW. That's where I'd do the things you're talking about.
@@BobDoyleMedia thx for pointing that out. What I mean is starting with one single ‘stroke’ and work that into a composition. So source material is a broad term imho. What I mean is completely do the sound design yourself. However even if these programs would completely replace all that, it would be ok just because non musicians can have fun and learn making music as well.
@@KenshoBeats Yes, Band in a Box has tons of music education built into it. I didn't talk about it, but education is a big part of what that program is about. Helping you to practice and become better at your "real" instrument.
Very interesting and educational video thanx, but PAID PAID PAID PAID PAID, everything is in paid app, is there any way to generate a solid melody/music/song anything from freewares?
I think it's important to remember how many countless hours must go into creating these tools. Not all developers have the luxury of unlimited funding to be able to offer their solutions. I'm sure if you'd put your blood, sweat, and tears into something, you'd want some form of compensation for your time if this is your career choice. It's GREAT that we have so many free options available right now. I LOVE open source solutions, and I always look for them. But at the end of the day, if the result I get from a tool make it's purchase a good investment, then I have ZERO problem paying for it. But if it's just going to sit on my hard drive for someday (like a LOT of software does on MY system)...then yeah. Why pay for it if you're not going to get the value from it? I appreciate that ACE at least gives you 2 weeks to determine if the value is there or not for your particular case.
Yeah, it requires a different level of commitment to play with some of these things. It’s actually kind of goofy that I keep upgrading band in a box because historically I really don’t do too much with it in the end. I just like playing with it and keeping up with its advancements. Now, I’m glad I did.
Bob I would really appreciate it if you could just reply to my question what did you click to get individual tracks on band in a box I cant seem to find it on my version which I bought in 2014 is it possible my version wont be able to do this..If Bob is to busy to reply can someone else answer this for me cheers Frankie
@@BobDoyleMedia Hi Bob at 7.16 in the video...I contacted chat and was told having a 2014 biab should stop me getting individual tracks ie bass..guitar..drums
hope seriously the program have some kind of standard phonetics language to control, cause if not its its horrible. But beside the generation of the voices I have a hard time to see the AI in this program .. it really sound that way ... horrible. A sample based choir library with phonetical text builder sound better. I really can't see the use of this .. If you have to pay ~300$ to make your own voice and the time it takes building the lyrics and getting the pronouncation just "reasonable" I can hire a singer to come in and record the voice much faster at maybe a tad more money and then It's a real Voice .. not a Japanese Manga computer generated animation 😵💫😵.. . Sorry but this is not gonna make singers out of work anytime soon 😂
beside that .. BiaB is still today 35ish year later a piece of software that had seriously potential but never delivered. And for the money it cost you are honestly better off using your money on a hardware arranger. The "live" styles is not even close to be on par with Ketron which is also still being beaten by "midi" based arranger like Yamaha and Korg. There is no revolution here at all.
I don't think the goal is to put singers out of work. I do agree that the price for the voice model seems way out of whack, but unless I tried it with a real voice, it's hard to know exactly what it would sound like. But while I wouldn't say this stuff is "horrible", it's certainly not ready to produce lead vocals. But I do make a point of saying that it's better suited for backup vocals. Plus, all this is in its infancy. Rather than judge something as "horrible" at this stage in the game, I think it's better to just observe the progress that is being made, understanding that NONE of this is perfect yet, and folks need to understand that if they're going to play in this space at this point in time. As "horrible" as you say it is, it's still pretty miraculous that this can be done at all, and it will only get better.
Again, it just depends on if you can benefit from its functionality or not. For some people, it's worth the learning curve. I'm sure there are tools or whatever that you've chosen to spend more time on than others would simply because you're more interested in it. Personally, if I want to be able to accomplish a task, and there IS a solution - and it's within my grasp - then most of the time, I'll take whatever time necessary to learn it. That goes with most of what I cover here on the channel, especially with the AI video, animation, and face-swapping. CRAZY amounts of time I've spent learning the ins and outs that most people would not. So it's just a personal thing. And overpriced, is also completely subjective based on the value you get out of it when you commit to learning what it can do. Not everyone will have the same passion/patience.
Yea you dont need the band box just download a midi chord pack or just learn the chords. Thatll prolly take the most time but will be most beneficial. I just stick with a midi pack abd its helped me to learn most of the chords as i go. Now i dont even need it. Also ive tried all of the other voice to midi and similar products but tbis is definitely one of the easier ones to get great sounding vocals quickly. The others you have to mess around with for hours sometimes and still not get anythinf working. The only program i would take over this is the dreamtonics synthesizer pro as well as there new vocoflex.
Band in a Box seems outdated, not much rock stuff. Price needs to come down to be worth it for me. Like 50%🥰 Ace Studio is ridiculously overpriced. WOW!!! 💩
BB has a ton of rock stuff, a ton! Of all genres. You should go check out the complete list of real styles over at their page. It’s 34 years of style creation. Thousands and thousands of styles and genres. www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.ultrapak.htm#rtlist And as far as price, that's completely subjective depending on your needs. For some people, spending 22 a month rather than dealing with "real singers" in certain cases could be TOTALLY worth it. If it doesn't fit your use case, then it really doesn't matter how cheap it is if you won't use it. Same with Band in a Box. As a user of it for 34 years, I can assure you that what you get - if you use it and take the time to learn it - is many times what they're charging in value. But if you're not the target audience, again, it really doesn't matter because you won't get the value out of it anyway.
@@scorpionleader1967 Right now our Mac version is at 2023 and our Windows version is at 2024. You'll see (hear?) more sounds with that upgrade, once it is available.
Wow! Thanks so much for showing us this amazing tool. In the mix, the ACE Studio vocal harmonies sounded very realistic. As a songwriter, I will probably get a subscription to create harmonies for my original songs. As a lousy singer, I may even pay to get a model of my voice created so I see if ACE can create a lead vocal track that sounds like me singing, but better than me actually singing. Some people might say I should just work on getting better at singing, but I don't know how well that would work out. I may try in future, but meanwhile, I'll see if AI can help.
I have been using Band in a Box for several years now (first for Windows, and now for Mac). I really like it, even if the interface is a bit ugly. To me, it is pretty much AI in its ability to take the chords and melody I create and generate a very convincing song arrangement. From there, I either use the arrangement as is or as a starting point, separating the stems and replacing some or all of them with my own tracks that use some of the amazing sample libraries I own. Great fun. I haven't tried the melodist feature that generates a melody, but you've inspired me now. Again, thanks. Peter.
Synthesizer V is similar to ace studio. It's a onetime purchase. 1 for software and 1for a voice bank. It doest use cloud rendering, making it a bit faster. You can also do the voice to Ai voice like in ace studio. I actually prefer it to ace studio. Just thought I'd share
Yes, I've heard of Synthesizer V. I'm just not sure how much I can evaluate it and demonstrate it without purchasing a bunch of voices. It's been a while since I looked at it. Probably worth a revisit.
@@BobDoyleMediaThere is a free version granted it has some limitations and there are free voice banks available as well
@@bungalowbill3409 Cool. I'll go look at it again. :)
@@BobDoyleMedia Ahh Bob, this is where the fun starts with Synth V, there's a plugin called VocoFlex, made by the same company, (Dreamtonics), that they recently released, which they describe as a "real-time voice creation and transformation plug-in".
So basically that means you can just purchase 1 vocalist, and transform that vocalist into any style of voice you like, i.e male/female, smooth/pure/gruff, basically any style, theres a guy with a channel called "mixPHANTOM", who has done some early testing with the plug-in that might be worth checking out.
I myself have Synthesizer V, but not had a lot of time with it due to work commitments but i intend to delve deep when time allows.
Nice video, do you do any voice work commercially, you are a natural.
Ace is an Awesome tool!! I will be using it on my channel!! Thank you for this tutorial!!
Sounds are not compressed if you buy the "Audiophile Edition" (the most expensive version). Otherwise you'll have WMA files. They have a good compression, but it's still a compression.
True, but it’s a world of difference from the compression that we’re talking about with the normal AI generator tools. A big world.
Of course, because for now compression by AI generators such as SunoAI is totally unacceptable for professional or even amateur purposes.
@@codisilver Depends on the amateur. I mean people ARE doing it...AND it's getting accepted...for NOW...by SOME.
This is why I did the earlier Band in a Box video because it can read the chord structure of the generated AI song and then you can recreate it with stylistic precision.
I'll be doing an updated video on this soon to reflect the updates in band in a box.
If you click the little triangle in the upper right of each track it will mute the track. Great video I just started tinkering with it myself.
27:22, that’s true. It’s looks very tedious and exhausting. I will stick with SUNO AI and then fix the vocals with ACE Studio.
Hello Friends, congrats on the content!
I am hesitant on what software to use (I am a very bad singer)... Would you recommend Synthesizer V or Ace vocal Studio?
I'm actually getting ready to do an updated video on ACE Studio. Ultimately, it's going to be a matter of personal taste, and they both have their strong suits, but the new ACE Studio allows you to create a custom voice, and gives you access to their new community features, where other users share voices and more. Hopefully within the week I'll have that up.
@@BobDoyleMedia thanks for the reply, I am from Argentina, and it is hard to test the performance in spanish and with latin accent as many voices and test videos are in english, so maybe a community of users uploading voices could help me with that. Look forward to see your video. Congrats again!
Your videos are the best, mate!! Thank you.
This should be called: "Bob Doyle's Musical Disney Studio Masterclass" 🥰
Hello to all the people that are too narrow minded to use these tools but watch the video anyway.
Thank you for the presentation. I have tested the ACE tool. If you disregard the technology behind it and only evaluate the result. It's a toy without really useful results.
@@geroldbeck9696 I totally disagree. Even the simplest (and even broken) software in creative hands can produce amazing results. Just because it’s not how you might want it to be, doesn’t mean that incredible things can’t be created. The early electronic musicians had to make stuff up with the tools they had and created incredible things that were in no way done automatically. Bits and pieces of odd sounds are layered and combined in a creative way to produce a final result, and this tool gives us access to bits of musical pieces that we never had access to before. With the right level of imagination, this could produce incredibly useful results, depending on what result you are out to create.
You are an enviable optimist. Our perspectives are very different. Let me compare it to painting. I want to paint a picture in blue, open the paint pot that contains blue and discover that it is "only" gray. Then I can't paint my blue picture with it. You would say: "Oh, it's gray. Let's see what you can do with a grey color".
Really enjoy your video. Thanks for the help. QUESTION - Just upgraded to 2024 but have an issue. When I try to regenerate a section (a few bars), BIAB just erases that instrument in the highlighted section but does not replace it?? I have to highlight the entire song to regenerate a few bars which ruins the rest of the work you've done with that instrument. How do we fix this? Is there a work-a-round until PGM releases a new patch?
@@billmcdonald2557 that’s not something I’ve run into since it’s not really part of my every day workflow. Have you reached out to their support?
Does it works only in english or even with language like italian?
I couldnt see what you clicked onto to get individual tracks which I want on my band in a box
Could be very useful for cleaning up tracks made with AI music generators like Suno. TY.
Thanks! Great videos. 🙏🏼
Thank you!
i think there's an easier way. you can import the lyrics text into band in a box and create a song off that
Woooooh! Thank you so much for this!
To me Ace Studio sounds more synthetic and obviously not real than synthesizer V. What do you guys think?
Agree 100%. Plus, voices are limited in ACE.
Thanks Bob!
Very very nice my friend !!!!
Great video! Thank you.
I'm still waiting for the day when i'll be able to turn vocals into melody
There are already tools available for that if the vocal contains a melody, Melodyne for example... SynthV can also do this as well
Ah, this is all very great but I would really miss composing, arranging and mixing myself, so rewarding..
Well, actually most of this video was about arranging and mixing (though I didn't bore the viewer with it, since I hardly know what I'm doing in that area). As far as composing, you can still absolutely do that with Band in a Box. If you know the chord progression of your song then you can create an amazing starting point, which then you can rework, or just take a seed of inspiration from. The point of these tools is NOT to take away the creative process, but to enhance/assist it.
@@BobDoyleMedia but can you create your own sounds, layer them, process them etc?
@@KenshoBeats For the most part, both these tools are best suited to create source material that would be better processed in a traditional DAW. That's where I'd do the things you're talking about.
@@BobDoyleMedia thx for pointing that out. What I mean is starting with one single ‘stroke’ and work that into a composition. So source material is a broad term imho. What I mean is completely do the sound design yourself. However even if these programs would completely replace all that, it would be ok just because non musicians can have fun and learn making music as well.
@@KenshoBeats Yes, Band in a Box has tons of music education built into it. I didn't talk about it, but education is a big part of what that program is about. Helping you to practice and become better at your "real" instrument.
Very interesting and educational video thanx, but PAID PAID PAID PAID PAID, everything is in paid app, is there any way to generate a solid melody/music/song anything from freewares?
I think it's important to remember how many countless hours must go into creating these tools.
Not all developers have the luxury of unlimited funding to be able to offer their solutions. I'm sure if you'd put your blood, sweat, and tears into something, you'd want some form of compensation for your time if this is your career choice.
It's GREAT that we have so many free options available right now. I LOVE open source solutions, and I always look for them.
But at the end of the day, if the result I get from a tool make it's purchase a good investment, then I have ZERO problem paying for it.
But if it's just going to sit on my hard drive for someday (like a LOT of software does on MY system)...then yeah. Why pay for it if you're not going to get the value from it?
I appreciate that ACE at least gives you 2 weeks to determine if the value is there or not for your particular case.
Lol, yeah, I know. I would definitely pay if I could afford such programs. @BobDoyleMedia
@@BobDoyleMedia paying is not the issue for me, monthly subscription is an absolute break dealer thought
It’s cool but I need that Randy Ai Voice!!!
Hello. Interesting video, very nice song... and, hey, i like dogs too ! :)
Well, thank you, but even tho ace is good and band in a box is good too, is kinda overpriced, but the knowledge, just like you said, is precious
Yeah, it requires a different level of commitment to play with some of these things. It’s actually kind of goofy that I keep upgrading band in a box because historically I really don’t do too much with it in the end. I just like playing with it and keeping up with its advancements. Now, I’m glad I did.
11:25 sounds a bit like some video game music for a mario level
Bob I would really appreciate it if you could just reply to my question what did you click to get individual tracks on band in a box I cant seem to find it on my version which I bought in 2014 is it possible my version wont be able to do this..If Bob is to busy to reply can someone else answer this for me cheers Frankie
Frankie, can you point me to the part in the video that you’re talking about specifically?
@@BobDoyleMedia Hi Bob at 7.16 in the video...I contacted chat and was told having a 2014 biab should stop me getting individual tracks ie bass..guitar..drums
should NOT
Isn't this just a glorified sample bank with additional tuning and control?
Which are you talking about? Ace or Band in a box?
👍👍👍👋🏻
Shity song - go for a blues or country rock song? Thank you for your great input - I'm almost convinced... ;-)
hope seriously the program have some kind of standard phonetics language to control, cause if not its its horrible. But beside the generation of the voices I have a hard time to see the AI in this program .. it really sound that way ... horrible. A sample based choir library with phonetical text builder sound better. I really can't see the use of this .. If you have to pay ~300$ to make your own voice and the time it takes building the lyrics and getting the pronouncation just "reasonable" I can hire a singer to come in and record the voice much faster at maybe a tad more money and then It's a real Voice .. not a Japanese Manga computer generated animation 😵💫😵.. . Sorry but this is not gonna make singers out of work anytime soon 😂
beside that .. BiaB is still today 35ish year later a piece of software that had seriously potential but never delivered. And for the money it cost you are honestly better off using your money on a hardware arranger. The "live" styles is not even close to be on par with Ketron which is also still being beaten by "midi" based arranger like Yamaha and Korg. There is no revolution here at all.
I don't think the goal is to put singers out of work. I do agree that the price for the voice model seems way out of whack, but unless I tried it with a real voice, it's hard to know exactly what it would sound like. But while I wouldn't say this stuff is "horrible", it's certainly not ready to produce lead vocals. But I do make a point of saying that it's better suited for backup vocals.
Plus, all this is in its infancy. Rather than judge something as "horrible" at this stage in the game, I think it's better to just observe the progress that is being made, understanding that NONE of this is perfect yet, and folks need to understand that if they're going to play in this space at this point in time.
As "horrible" as you say it is, it's still pretty miraculous that this can be done at all, and it will only get better.
overpriced and over-complicated. Huge learning curves
Again, it just depends on if you can benefit from its functionality or not. For some people, it's worth the learning curve. I'm sure there are tools or whatever that you've chosen to spend more time on than others would simply because you're more interested in it.
Personally, if I want to be able to accomplish a task, and there IS a solution - and it's within my grasp - then most of the time, I'll take whatever time necessary to learn it. That goes with most of what I cover here on the channel, especially with the AI video, animation, and face-swapping. CRAZY amounts of time I've spent learning the ins and outs that most people would not.
So it's just a personal thing. And overpriced, is also completely subjective based on the value you get out of it when you commit to learning what it can do. Not everyone will have the same passion/patience.
Unlike learning to sing, play instruments, record, mix and master, you mean?
Yea you dont need the band box just download a midi chord pack or just learn the chords. Thatll prolly take the most time but will be most beneficial. I just stick with a midi pack abd its helped me to learn most of the chords as i go. Now i dont even need it.
Also ive tried all of the other voice to midi and similar products but tbis is definitely one of the easier ones to get great sounding vocals quickly. The others you have to mess around with for hours sometimes and still not get anythinf working.
The only program i would take over this is the dreamtonics synthesizer pro as well as there new vocoflex.
Band in a Box seems outdated, not much rock stuff. Price needs to come down to be worth it for me. Like 50%🥰 Ace Studio is ridiculously overpriced. WOW!!! 💩
BB has a ton of rock stuff, a ton! Of all genres. You should go check out the complete list of real styles over at their page. It’s 34 years of style creation. Thousands and thousands of styles and genres. www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.ultrapak.htm#rtlist
And as far as price, that's completely subjective depending on your needs. For some people, spending 22 a month rather than dealing with "real singers" in certain cases could be TOTALLY worth it. If it doesn't fit your use case, then it really doesn't matter how cheap it is if you won't use it. Same with Band in a Box. As a user of it for 34 years, I can assure you that what you get - if you use it and take the time to learn it - is many times what they're charging in value.
But if you're not the target audience, again, it really doesn't matter because you won't get the value out of it anyway.
yes if some daw company will implement these features they will anigilate these guys.
@@BobDoyleMedia I might look at BiaB again. Good point on the DAW. I am a singer so very little value for me.
@@BobDoyleMedia BiaB is really not worth it on Mac. 1000 less sounds for same price. Big JOKE!!!
@@scorpionleader1967 Right now our Mac version is at 2023 and our Windows version is at 2024. You'll see (hear?) more sounds with that upgrade, once it is available.
crazy but monthly sub = no thank you
Bro need something that can change existing song lyrics of any singer for free of course 🙂🥲
Microphone and good real singer😂