How jordan 1 he not the best at anything he not the best passer not the best shooter not the biggest winner not the best defender y’all just love him the most😂
Tbh i think there were more people were salty about lebron breaking the record than those praising. The all time scoring record was a huge deal until lebron got close to it, then people found reasons to diminish it.
No actually the first to catch or unseat JORDAN in rings is going to be more important than the scoring title or who can 3peat we are looking for dominance alltime scoring record doesn't mean dominance unless the rings go with it CONTEXT
@@philminor233rings don’t matter at all when Robert horry got one more than MJ. And he is a role player. We’re talking a 6’9 250 tank who has a better career 3 ball percentage than mj. Who can play all 5 positions of the court. Also came back from that 3-1 lead who if you put the 95” bulls against they would’ve got killed.
Leading 8 straight teams (that arguably wouldn't have made it out of the first round) to the finals is the most impressive stat in modern basketball. That's such a crazy accomplishment.
Why do y'all get on here and just make up shit just to prove a point?? Just a blatant lie.. LeBron was not an underdog in the 1st round those 8 straight years..You forget about Miami?
@@FlyAwayChi Everyone else seemed to get it, but I'm just noticing a typo in my comment. I meant teams that wouldn't have made it out of the first round WITHOUT HIM. Sorry for the confusion.
@@dugalsingja2185 don’t say stupid shit please😂 Shaq was out of Miami in 08 and Miami got bounced first round by Boston in 2009-10( exactly like this dude was saying would happen if they didn’t have LeBron) they were a decent team but got handled 4-1 in the first round.
On the contrary, being beaten by Turkoglu's Orlando with a 66-16 Cavs team, by 35 yrs old 50-32 Celtics trio with a 61-21 Cavs team, by even more veteran Dallas while playing with two other superstars, and getting busted by 38 yrs Duncan and 37 yrs old Ginobili, that's the really impressive stat. Even more impressive that there are people that ignorant and irrational to compare a loser like that to MJ.
Nearly everything about MJ’s career was perfect timing. The media, the shoes, the league needing a face, the coach, the teammates, the decline of Magic and Bird. The teams he played against in the finals. Damn near EVERYTHING! It’s amazing that we can’t set aside the nostalgia and look at things for what they actually are.
You’re just gate keeping the new generation. When I’m fact us new generations that are actually new (young) are mostly rooting for Jordan when it comes to the “Goat” tag
exactly lmaooo.. nobody talk about the competition he actually won against. cuz when magic was healthy it was all him, when bird and isiah was healthy jordan couldnt even make a conference finals. bird and isiah retired early which saved jordan.. magic got sick literally the same year jordan won his first chip
He broke the record in a season where he averaged 30 in a game where he scored 38 points. He did not crawl to this record, he blew past it and is going to put it so far, that I am not sure we will see anyone break it in the next 40 years.
😆 ded. I need Gil to negotiate my annual reviews. 🤝 // He’d tell me I’m chit in the areas I dropped the ball, but damn, I’m getting every dime for my strength.
@@johnstone2103 Bruh that’s basketball now. A majority of the time no one guards one individual player, anymore. They all run zones and switch on defense. The guy that scored 28 wasn’t guarded by one particular person the whole time. 🤦🏿♂️ Marcus Smart is the current reigning “Defensive Player Of the Year”. Steph Curry averaged 31 points in the Finals last year against him and the Celtics, yet he still won that award. Learn basketball bro before making certain comments.
Kareem had great foot work, he had the drop step and he had great pivot work. You have to look at the Milwaukee highlights and how he had a what we call the Dirk Nowitzki signature Shot lifting the knee fade away. There was no 3 point line for him to develop until 1980 at 32 years old. He did not grow up with the 3 point line being a factor in his game. So to say what other skill did he have other than the sky hook is ridiculous.
Along with being a dominant rebounder and shot blocker ppl gotta remember first 4 years of his career they DID NOT count blocks or steals he's most likely the real block leader and close to 4 assists
What other skill ? Ugh well the guy is 3rd all time in Rebounds and BiLK's also #1 in field goals made. 19 All Star 11 all defense. Had 7 seasons in a row of at least 3+ B,lk's and 1 stl. The first 4 years they didn't track blks or stls
Also on the sky hook : The man shot a ONE-HANDED fadeaway shot for the majority of his career....and shot over 55%! If that's not skill, I don't know what is! (Also, it seems that he took to heart one of Bruce Lee's teachings : "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.").
I grew up watching Jordan. And honestly MJ was a cultural icon! I agree that the way MJ did was magical. But the shoe and brand explosion was essentially the social media of his day. Lebron, hands down is the GOAT. He never got the love for scoring...nor his passing. LBJs consistent ability has been his AVAILABILITY! He changed the game!
Well if he's the "opposite" then that makes all his records even that more incredible! Cmon bro, more minutes played. More games played...do some research. Availability! Now AD...complete opposite lol
Man I just gained a whole lot of more respect for this gentleman talkin Agent Zero. Penny Hardaway is definitely in that category. This young man know his stuff
what has he done in his career? im live in DC. Arenas was the best player on a bad team? his game diddnt inpack winning. he OD off pussy and killed his career.
GOAT Criteria: MJ✅🥱 Championships: MJ - 6/6 LBJ - 4/10 FMVPs: MJ - 6 LBJ - 4 MVPs: MJ - 5 LBJ - 4 scoring titles: MJ - 10 LBJ - 1 DPOY: MJ - 1 LBJ - 0 Stls/Assi. titles: MJ - 3 LBJ - 1 Defense: MJ✅🥱 MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x stls champ, 1 of 4 players to have 200+stls and 100+blks in a season (MJ did it twice), NBA Record for the most blocks in a season by any guard (131), Top 3 in NBA History for stls and blks for guards LeBron: 6 All-Defensive teams, 3rd in voting behind KG and Dwight Howard in the 2011-12 season, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in the 2012-13 season Advanced Stats: MJ✅🥱 PER: MJ (highest in NBA History both regular season and playoffs) OBPM: MJ (contributed more on offense) DBPM: MJ (contributed more on defense) VORP: MJ (highest in NBA History on a per game basis) WS/48: MJ (contributed more to winning) TS%: LeBron (60-65% of career pts within 0-3ft from the basket - BasketballReference.com) LeBron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history 35% 10-16ft (mid-range) 34% 16ft+ on 6 3pta per game 72%FT line = Can't shoot Perimeter Defense: F Reading passing lanes: C Stealing the ball: D Help defense: F Interior Defense: B Hasn't made an All-Defensive team in 10+yrs Led the league in pts let up on defensive 1on1 situations (2012-13 - interestingly one of the same seasons he almost won a DPOY proving how overrated the man is) = Can't play defense On shots with 1min. or less to tie or to win the game LeBron James in the regular season is 19/94 (19%), in the playoffs is 9/25 (36%), and in the finals is 0/7 (0%) ... and to add insult to injury the majority of those shots didn't even win the game. They either tied, went into OT and they won or lost. Now he has the most buzzer beaters in the playoffs, but they aren't game winners so is it really clutch? = Isn't clutch = No handles/finesse When properly evaluating LeBrons career the man realistically isn't even a Top 5 player All-Time And if playing for 20 years accumulating stats makes you the GOAT then thered be no reason to win nor perfect your craft. Seeing how it is LeBron is below mediocre in the categories that matter, it makes his fans had to add longevity to the criteria in order to propel their man in a debate he doesn't belong in
@@eatshityoutube3271 If the man averages more stls and ppg then what does having more accumulated points and steals mean? Absolutely nothing. Bron is Top 10 in most categories after having played for for 20 years milking stats
The absolute best breakdown and explanation. Been saying it for years without the marketing and the shoes, a ton of people would not be so hard pressed to say LBJ is the GOAT. Before someone thinks that is me in the pic it isn’t it’s my son so come correct thank you.
What? Michael Jordan was pushed more than any other athlete in history. The Last Dance was pure propaganda put out but Jordan himself cause he knew LeBron was gonna be breaking records soon. Shit my bad. I read what you wrote wrong. Good point.
Jordan is 6-0 in the finals, 2 three peats, more finals mvp and league mvp, more points,steals,fg%,ft%,less turnovers. Their accomplishments don't even compare.
@rodneyjones5401 it's 50.1%, and jordans is 49%. What shots does lebron what shots does jordan take. Lebron is a horrible shooter, and 91% of his shots aren't shots they are layup, dunks, and putbacks. Outside of 3 feet from the basketball lebron shooting percentage are in the low 30s. Please use context and common sense
Kick hat knowledge Gilbert! It's so refreshing to hear from a player that's not stuck in that old Dinosaur mentality always talking about the past and forgetting that everything evolves and gets better!
MJ was the first great player for most people. Why not Kareem or Wilt or Russell? Few people really saw them play. The popularity of the game really started with Magic and Bird, but the game's popularity started in the Jordan era. That is why subjectively people like MJ. He was the first global player.
So when LeBron peers says he's the goat it don't matter?????? Ishah Thomas saiidnthat about Jordan.,but since LeBron had been here ishah Thomas changed his mind and said LEBRON is the goat. ..Shaq also siad it ..but y'all only listen to players that side with Jordan....sellout MFs thays why he got his daddy killed...fuck Jordan and his garbage ass sons
@@reginaldwilliams6241 Shaq is on record saying MJ then Kobe then Bron. He will change his mind again. Isaih hates that MJ got a statue in his hometown of Chicago and is a jealous queer and Dr J is jealous that MJ got credit for the flashy playstyle instead of him CONTEXT
I also feel like Westbrook didn’t get his full love when he averaged a triple double. Another record that people thought would never happen. And he did it more than once.
Go and watch those games. While people criticize lebron for stat padding what westbrook did was blatantly obvious. Missing shots so he could get his 10th rebound and bs like that. He was great in his prime but when he realized he blew his chance at being a multiple time champion with kd he went the stat route.
Right! Westbrook will always be one of my fav players ever. All energy and effort all the time. That Stat padding convo is so lame, ppl act like averaging a triple double is something a normal thing to do against nba players.
@@thisnewnamesystemisdumbWestbrook and Bron weren't stat padding. Mike led the league in shot attempts for 9 seasons grabbing scoring titles NOBODY cared about 😂
20:30 what Gil says here is 100% the nba is at a point where if u even wanna be in the league you have to grind and have talent. Like as the league grows the amount of people playing it grows to, thus increasing the amount of competition there is, which in turn increases the overall talent/athletic ability of all the players
Like this comment. Everything has changed since the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and even the 2000s. Like Gilbert said the dedication to the league wasn’t what it is today. 4 5 6 hours in the gym.. DAILY. Not including the off-season. Medicine, and the way we live is so much different. Stronger bigger guys moving faster. No way they hold up in todays league. 40 years from now it just might be the same conversation we’re having now. 🤷🏽♂️
What i don't understand about the GOAT discussion is, nobody was caring about Kareem record to put him as the best. And now that the number one argument for LBJ. Makes that makes sense, for me the best is not about record but skill, talent, killer instinct. In the NFL we are already putting Mahomes as the best ever and he is far away from TB12 regarding record.
Bron is gonna be top 5 in 3 major stat categories, top in overall and reg season scoring. Top 10 in stls and blocks. MJ numbers aren't like that. 6 titles is a team accomplishment. As a individual player still playing at the level he's playing 20 yrs in is nuts. But ppl tend to ignore that
Bill Russell had 11 rings and nobody put him as the goat at the moment and yet the 6 rings is the ultimate argument that people make for MJ as the goat
@@Sn00pE23 let's talk individual....MJ has my re scoreing tittles more MVPs more defense player of the year more all team defense selections..if you go look up the who has the most acculades of any nba player it's MJ ..it's not even close
The guy with less killer instinct passed up a guy taking 1,000 less shots. Well damn! Then that same guy with less killer instinct stands alone at the top of all time scorers. And I'm willing to bet Bron breaks the all time scoring record again hahahaha
Except that they should have brought up how Bron has not even passed Kobe in the GOAT discussion. Kobe embarrassed BRON in the 2013 All Star Game man on man. Beat him in the team game judged only by championships with 5.
@@awwwsy LeBron has a winning record against Kobe lmao. LeBron has more MVPs, more finals MVPs, more points, rebounds, more assists, better career averages in the playoffs and regular season, etc. Kobe got passed after 2016
LeBron being 1st in scoring as a pass-first player is the equivalent of Jordan being top 5 in assist of which he is 47th. LeBron on the other hand is actually top 5 in assist. Just let that sink in..
Is everyone in the world so dumb they don't understand the difference between averages and aggregate numbers? Actually learn statistics first before talking about it please.
Watch the film. Lebron built Superteams and still lost. It’s all on film. He lost to ordinary teams like the 2011 Mavs, the young 2015 warriors , and the old 2014 spurs
@@HoopsTalk123 Kareem was my goat. And best believe EVERYBODY don't pick Jordan or run out to buy his shoes. The pole done last year of a measly 2k people picked Jordan But they Also answered Jordan to the 2nd question. Who had the Best college career of all time? Voters said Michael Jeffery Jordan 🤣😂 NOT
@@tommydashed4205 Kareem is the goat to many people Besides the 1st ballot hofers that pick Kareem & LeBron over Jordan. You do realize there's a pole Right? I wonder why the media won't showcase that pole 🤔 anyway your goat is your opinion cool but don't get it twisted Mj is not the goat to Everybody
Being a 29 year old and hearing how that record would never get touched I remember watching all these greats come and go and asking my dad you think that record gonna get broken and when he would say no I believed him and witnessing that night on TV that it actually happened it was like this wasn't supposed to happen so the disbelief overrides the acceptance of we just witness. For me lbj is my 🐐 but thats just me but man you can't say that wasn't probably the greatest record to ever break
It's a longevity record.that is all he played 20 years if MJ played as long as lebron he would of had broke the record but he only played really consistently 11 full years Jordan had 10 NBA scoring titles .bron had 1
@@jeremybellow9211 jordan had 10 scoring titles right ? But yet lead the league in shot attempts and bricks not 1x not 2x not 3x but 8x the most of all time also shot 3500+ more shots then the next top scorer in the league and 3473 more shots then the #2 ppg yk lbj has lead the league zero times in bricks and shot attempts right ? You do realize mj had the luxury of leading the league in freebies to right ?
@@dylansmiley9953 lol you funny my guy lebron leads the league in miss free throws lol it's literally a free shot lol lowest 3 point shot also and all done in a era were you actually can get hella of a lot of free throw shots and just free shots in general in this none defensive league lol boi stop I can go all they with bron bron bad attributes. He played 20 years and Michael basically played 12 years and accomplished way more in less time play guy you don't want to argue this topic cause you will not win. It's nothing you can say that will make bron bron better. He is a top 10 but this era my guy lol
I agree. Hurting people on defense doesn’t equate to good defense. And these old school think cause they destroyed people it was better defense. Doesn’t make sense. If anything that’s technically lazy defense instead of guarding someone properly
Watch those two videos. It explains exactly what ur talking about. Defense was not better in the 90s. Jordan stats were inflated cause they spammed iso
GOAT Criteria: MJ✅🥱 Championships: MJ - 6/6 LBJ - 4/10 FMVPs: MJ - 6 LBJ - 4 MVPs: MJ - 5 LBJ - 4 scoring titles: MJ - 10 LBJ - 1 DPOY: MJ - 1 LBJ - 0 Stls/Assi. titles: MJ - 3 LBJ - 1 Defense: MJ✅🥱 MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x stls champ, 1 of 4 players to have 200+stls and 100+blks in a season (MJ did it twice), NBA Record for the most blocks in a season by any guard (131), Top 3 in NBA History for stls and blks for guards LeBron: 6 All-Defensive teams, 3rd in voting behind KG and Dwight Howard in the 2011-12 season, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in the 2012-13 season Advanced Stats: MJ✅🥱 PER: MJ (highest in NBA History both regular season and playoffs) OBPM: MJ (contributed more on offense) DBPM: MJ (contributed more on defense) VORP: MJ (highest in NBA History on a per game basis) WS/48: MJ (contributed more to winning) TS%: LeBron (60-65% of career pts within 0-3ft from the basket - BasketballReference.com) LeBron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history 35% 10-16ft (mid-range) 34% 16ft+ on 6 3pta per game 72%FT line = Can't shoot Perimeter Defense: F Reading passing lanes: C Stealing the ball: D Help defense: F Interior Defense: B Hasn't made an All-Defensive team in 10+yrs Led the league in pts let up on defensive 1on1 situations (2012-13 - interestingly one of the same seasons he almost won a DPOY proving how overrated the man is) = Can't play defense On shots with 1min. or less to tie or to win the game LeBron James in the regular season is 19/94 (19%), in the playoffs is 9/25 (36%), and in the finals is 0/7 (0%) ... and to add insult to injury the majority of those shots didn't even win the game. They either tied, went into OT and they won or lost. Now he has the most buzzer beaters in the playoffs, but they aren't game winners so is it really clutch? = Isn't clutch = No handles/finesse When properly evaluating LeBrons career the man realistically isn't even a Top 5 player All-Time And if playing for 20 years accumulating stats makes you the GOAT then thered be no reason to win nor perfect your craft. Seeing how it is LeBron is below mediocre in the categories that matter, it makes his fans had to add longevity to the criteria in order to propel their man in a debate he doesn't belong in
All the media has done his entire career it nut hug him, expedite everything he does, and use longevity as a way to propel him into a debate he doesn't belong in. Wtf do yall smoke?
@@kingtriga410 Thats cool. He gets a level of respect from me for what hes accomplished and its why I have him as one of the 10 greatest players to ever play the game IM SAYING that to say fans and/or the media doesn't give him his flowers when 99% of NBA fans below the age of 18 anyway are on his nut sack all day everyday about him being the King or GOAT, is just wild
When you look at MJ, he was the best player in the 90s, won 6 titles and it wasn't even close. LeBron has had competition from multiple players that passed him as the greatest player for a number of years. LeBron lost the debate when he formed a big 3 with Wade and Bosh and lost in the Finals. You are an all time great, make that move and lose in the Finals imo. If Jordan would have joined Olajuwon and Barley on a team people would have destroyed him for being weak but we praise LeBron? No imo that is crazy.
8 straight finals in the weak ass Eastern Conference. And ppl question the comp Jordan played against? FOH. You think Lebron's going to 8 straight if he's in the Western conference? 4 rings with these super teams he put together. Jordan never played with another All Star besides Scottie.
How Gilbert hears the 80s players is how we hear him now. Underappreciate by eras is stupid.. Talking about rodman going to the club but still grabbin 20 rebounds the next day.. Jordan gambling till 4 am but still dropping 40 in your ass. Surprised a nba player had that terrible take. Lebron is great, i feel like him and Jordan are separated from everyone else. Jordan still the best tho, but lebron is close second.
How did he under appreciate he literally just said they fouled hard and couldn’t actually play defense which is a fact and his point about that mindset back then is that the skill level has changed you can get away with that shit back then but now you can’t have a day cuz players today are very elite you’re under appreciating todays game by yo logic lol
Jordan is Dad and Bron is Mom. 2 GOTES. Did it their own way. Jordan did it all and more in a shorter span. Bron did it all and in a way no one has done it before. This is the most recent argument and probly the greatest ever cus I’m sure Kareem didn’t have this much of a fight when Jordan took the Crown
Greatest story ever told!!!! Thank you agent zero, cause of this video right here there should be no debate anymore you are an NBA player actually was really nice in your words mean something
Opinions are one thing, but if you can’t contextualize or relativize stats, stop using them in your arguments. Stats are objective, they’re a record of what has occurred, a lot of the people in the comments are using objective history to infer subjective hypotheticals.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yall look desperate when yall try to make cases for bron...it's almost like the jv squad trying to out work the varsity team..like just stop while yall ahead..
Ah yes common sense. This "common sense" you speak of would mean that since Kareem had the biggest NBA record for the last 40 years that he was undeniably the goat right? We dont want to consider all of these other "invisible" stats right? So common sense would dictate that Kareem was the goat all along? Weird no one ever saying that...
Your joking right? If top points in the league was all you needed to be the goat then why wasnt Kareem undeniably considered the goat for the last 40 years? Ill wait
@@tatemessmer4936because MJ existed and stormed the league he was am extremely good volume shooter and also that's not what you need to become the goat you need to be the best in every category so tell ME which one could play all 5 positions at a high level MJ or lebron
Also, when you’re discussing the greatest player I think you should incorporate from the time that the player began formal organized competition, until retirement. I say that to say, while Jordan was being cut from his high school team, Lebron was winning state championships, while being the 1st high school player to ever garner national recognition and have his games televised on ESPN.
The whole Jordan got cut thing is said he just didn’t wanna play jv so Instead he tried for varsity and got cut then came back a year later and was on the team(Coulda just played at a lower level) but that just adds to his story somehow nobody realized that he was way smaller not as strong and a year or 2 younger than everyone on that team but people make it seem like a come back story when he was on the team a year later when he was older bigger and stronger and had a year to work on his game cuz he refused to think he could play at a lower level mean while bron got picked to be on a team by coach that was watching him play football( Bron primarily played football when he was younger)
Statistically LeBron is the best, he played for 2+ decades but he has never had a chance at passing Jordan as the GOAT. As soon as he joined in Miami it was over.
MJ is the quintessential basketball player that's why. Not just his stats, how he did it, his movements, his personality It's also his physical appearance, the way his name sounds and looks. Michael Jordan. Very cool name. Even his initials are iconic in look and sound. M.J. Even his theme songs and brand "AIR" and "Be Like Mike". He was the perfect superstar. Almost mythical in a sense.
Gilbert is the realest person I've heard talk about the NBA. He just keeps shit a buck with ya and goes into great detail and storytelling on all his questions
GOAT Criteria: MJ✅🥱 Championships: MJ - 6/6 LBJ - 4/10 FMVPs: MJ - 6 LBJ - 4 MVPs: MJ - 5 LBJ - 4 scoring titles: MJ - 10 LBJ - 1 DPOY: MJ - 1 LBJ - 0 Stls/Assi. titles: MJ - 3 LBJ - 1 Defense: MJ✅🥱 MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x stls champ, 1 of 4 players to have 200+stls and 100+blks in a season (MJ did it twice), NBA Record for the most blocks in a season by any guard (131), Top 3 in NBA History for stls and blks for guards LeBron: 6 All-Defensive teams, 3rd in voting behind KG and Dwight Howard in the 2011-12 season, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in the 2012-13 season Advanced Stats: MJ✅🥱 PER: MJ (highest in NBA History both regular season and playoffs) OBPM: MJ (contributed more on offense) DBPM: MJ (contributed more on defense) VORP: MJ (highest in NBA History on a per game basis) WS/48: MJ (contributed more to winning) TS%: LeBron (60-65% of career pts within 0-3ft from the basket - BasketballReference.com) LeBron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history 35% 10-16ft (mid-range) 34% 16ft+ on 6 3pta per game 72%FT line = Can't shoot Perimeter Defense: F Reading passing lanes: C Stealing the ball: D Help defense: F Interior Defense: B Hasn't made an All-Defensive team in 10+yrs Led the league in pts let up on defensive 1on1 situations (2012-13 - interestingly one of the same seasons he almost won a DPOY proving how overrated the man is) = Can't play defense On shots with 1min. or less to tie or to win the game LeBron James in the regular season is 19/94 (19%), in the playoffs is 9/25 (36%), and in the finals is 0/7 (0%) ... and to add insult to injury the majority of those shots didn't even win the game. They either tied, went into OT and they won or lost. Now he has the most buzzer beaters in the playoffs, but they aren't game winners so is it really clutch? = Isn't clutch = No handles/finesse When properly evaluating LeBrons career the man realistically isn't even a Top 5 player All-Time And if playing for 20 years accumulating stats makes you the GOAT then thered be no reason to win nor perfect your craft. Seeing how it is LeBron is below mediocre in the categories that matter, it makes his fans had to add longevity to the criteria in order to propel their man in a debate he doesn't belong in
Real? He didn't make one point in this video or one point that was thought out or coherent. Just disrespecting the greats that came before him to uplift his man crush
9:51 "Jordan's not number one in any of the categories". He's #1 in scoring titles, PPG for both regular season and playoffs. Also #1 in number of Finals MVPs 😑
Be a fan , enjoy lebrons greatness ,just don't be silly !" Lebron has to justify his own ego tripping ,not his fans !" Its not an unforgivable sin for him to say that . He just opened a can of worms for those of us who saw greater players to give our rebuttals !" Bill Russell has a lot to say , bird ,magic , and jordans resume also have rebuttals!" Kobe won more championships !" Really?" ,lebron ,really ?" Why taint your own legacy by making this about you verses the history of the NBA ?" We should be celebrating his obvious incredible legacy instead of arguing this idoicy!"""
Without Michael the NBA isnt where it is today. Lebron and Mike didnt play each other so there's no discussion. It's about who's best of their respective era.
@@AppleJacksCereal you saying easy like lebron darko or something. Even if jordan is better in your eyes this notion that jordan on level 100 and lebron on level 43 gotta stop no matter who you got they neck and neck
Myself and Gil have the same mindset Mike's my favorite player but I know what I've watched the last 20+ years and the LeBrons the best player I've seen in my 43 years m.
Bill Russell 11 rings to 6 lmao when is the mj cap gon stop just between them 2 rings dont matter but when its come to lbj it matters the cap is strong with mj fans its out of this world
MJ is the Goat, One thing I dislike about LBJ is if you have to call yourself the goat, You aren't the goat, If you look up Jordan accolades, his stats, his championships , His MVPs, and of course the eye test Jordan wins them all but rebounds and Assists, Not like LBJ Is even that much it's like by 1, LBJ doesn't have defensive player of the year, doesn't have 10 Scoring titles, And sorry but Kobe Bryant is #2 , LBJ might not even be better than Larry Bird, Just saying at the small forward
@@howsittastes actually no that's false or a lie, MJ didn't call himself the Goat and that's a fact ,Wilt was just jealous people where calling MJ the Goat, Any way were is your source or did you just come up with this lie on your own ?
You would've thought that Ole Gilbert Boy would've learned his lesson getting schooled on his own show by Vernon Maxwell! Gilbert kept the Pie Face all show! 😂
@@kentagious1246 Vernon Max low Iq ball player boss .. Take the so called best defender at that time ( Rodman ) and put him in todays nba he wouldnt be the best defender over guys like Kwahi / Gianns / Jrue Holiday / Jaylen brown etc .. Nba isnt a combat sport league like back in the day its High IQ and High performance basketball
Say it how it is.. Bron was hiding in the east, beating 40 win teams and only managed 4 from 20! 90% of his points come off uncontested lay ups and dunks and the rest off illegal offence! Glorifying brons Legecy with "he dabs his girl" or "unstoppable" is comedy! Bron aint even top 5. That's the reality
He’s spitting facts but he’s also diminishing Jordan’s achievements. He’s saying using all these other factors to eliminate Lebron from #1 but he’s using all the same factors to promote Lebron. I’m a huge Lebron fan as well as Mj. But all the scoring champs had 20 yrs and counting to do it. Doing what if’s only creates another argument but we know what’s up with that. Lebron is definitely Top3 and arguably the best overall player in the history but MJ still to this day has more individual accolades (not including chips) than Lebron. So most of lebrons wins are attributed to longevity. MJ’s wins are attributed to his dominance. And this can be expounded upon but it’s unnecessary. If you know you know. The debate was who’s #2 til Bron took the title. MJ-Bron-Kareem
People keep saying that if MJ played for stats, he would have broken Kareem's record. But people forget, that we really didn't think lebron was playing for that scoring record until he was very near it. In fact anyone who think that he was after Kareem's record would look like a fool since Lebron is a pass first guy When he was close though, should he have chosen not to score points just to make it look like he wasn't chasing it Just like last year's scoring title, people keep saying that he was after it so he was stat padding, but the moment that it was clear, they weren't getting in to the play in, he stopped playing.
Yeah man the imbeciles just create rubbish narratives to try and discredit lebron James somehow😂😂they’ve done it his whole career. They’ll find something to say.
Yes we did. He joined the lakers and started load managing to extend his career. Everyone has been saying he's stat padding for years and it's true. If you believe he wasn't going for that record I have a bridge in New York to sell you.
LeBron touched Gil on that faithful day he chocked on the free throw line like how Jesus touched his apostles to tell his story and glorify him for the rest of their lives. Now Gil will forever hate previous greats and tell the future generations about that holiness of LeBron.
LeBron is a pass 1st player that surpassed Jordan career scoring with LESS SHOTS!!! ….and after LeBron passed Kobe in career scoring…. It would take another 2 seasons before he would catch up with the amount/volume of shots that Kobe took to even score the amount that LeBron surpassed. The 3pt % of Jordan verse LeBron is unfair based on the volume of 3pt shots attempted. It’s deeper than 6 Finals-6 Rings.
Karl Malone is top 3 where do we put him all time? Westbrook all time triple doubles where do we put him? The GOAT is a combination of all things BUT winning matters bro. I’m tired of people acting like winning doesn’t matter. That’s why they play to WIN. It’s a HUGE part
try again. I would have lebron number 1 if he stayed in cleveland and did it. He had to go to miami to beat boston, then when wade was too injured, went back to cleveland to a young kyrie, then when that was done, went to la to build another team. All that got him 4 rings. mj got 6 with one team who were built. you can say second 3 peat they got rodman and kukoc but they did lose grant
Thank you for mentioning Salim Stoudemire! In today's game without the injury history he is such a great "what if" story. Was it against Oklahoma state in the elite eight ? Holy sh...
Kareem led the league in scoring twice compared to Jordan's 10 and Kareem only has 2 or 3 finals MVPS compared to Jordan's 6 so Kareem doesn't have the best resume.
Wow a minute in and he already lost me 😂 “f that game” 💀 bruh that’s the problem right there - why is winning the actual basketball game secondary to this generation?
No LOGICAL, REASONABLE or FACT-BASED argument for LBJ over Jordan. He just now got to the point we can compare him to Kareem. At this point LBJ vs MJ speaks more to an generational attitude than truth… there’s no argument, it’s MJ
@@michaelcarlock5817 Those Detroit Pistons weren't nobodies they were stacked.The 92 Blazers were great. Ever heard of Magic Johnson and the Lakers? Early 90s Knicks led by Riley were great. Penny and Shaq in 96 followed by Payton, Kemp and co... I could go on but Ima need you to wake up 1st
Who Bron beat Demar and Lowry Raptors them highly overrated Wizards with Gilbert another Overrated talent I mean bro who did Bron beat before joining the Heat and only team was tough with the Heat was the C’s but they was well over 30 by time they faced off with Bron with Paul as the exception cause they was in the same conference
@@michaelcarlock5817 honestly it dnt make sense comparing eras it ain’t his fault God created him in the 90s we keep saying who Jordan played against but lebron could’ve done wat he did lebron join a big three and was the best team by a lot but then y’all want say or who Jordan played against??!! And jus how lebron get 4 rings so do curry and I am a curry fan but if curry was around with Jordan time curry wasn’t beaten jordan or atleast have the same amount of rings like I say you see wat Jordan do in less time I dnt care who he played against he did it lebron playing in a league now when they dnt play no defense and expect me to think he had it harder??
I respectfully disagree. Lebron's biggest achievement is longevity in a league with inflated points per game and NBA rules that help players play longer due to lack of physicality like in the 80's and 90's. Lebron is GREAT but there are things out of his control as the NBA rules. But he does have to be held accountable for his NBA performances and record. He has 4 championship but lost way more than he won. The point of playing is to win championships and then individual accolades and individual accolades is subjective to ERA'S. The point is taken about the glorification of the violent fouls. The point is that those rules or plays prevented lots of players from being better in their individual achievements. And STILL JORDAN stood on top. If Jordan was playing Lebron's era he would have destroyed the league.
Lebron has faced more competition. Spurs team, Celtics team, warriors team.. and there’s way more scoring dominant superstars than in the 90’s. Who was KD like in MJ’s era? Who was curry like ?
defense back then has became the most overrated thing in the history of sports. defense in nfl i could agree with the physicality but defense back then there are defenders today with there skill set would lock down so many people
Lebron is the greatest player of all time. The first thing people go to is the 6 chips Jordan got. What they don't address is chips are team accomplishments, not individual accomplishments. As far as career degree of difficulty. Winning a championship for three different franchises is way harder than winning with a team you are very familiarwith. To beat a team with a better record than the 72-10 bulls and win a title. To make 10 finals appearances and holds the all-time scoring record. Yes, Lebron is the G.O.A.T.
There's a reason why 90% of Earth knows MJ the GOAT by far... MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.
LeBron being the GOAT is laughable. Does he deserve his flowers for breaking the scoring record? Absolutely. Incredible accomplishment. But Kareem held the record for 40 years. Has more MVPs than LeBron, has more defensive team selections than LeBron, and more championships. And only a small percentage of hardcore NBA fans had Kareem as the GOAT. So how does LeBron who hasn’t accomplished as much as even Kareem, let alone Jordan, and obviously Jordan accomplished more in less time than Bron. How does LeBron having the scoring record make him the GOAT? Doesn’t make sense.
6-0 is better than 4-6. Easy math! In my Herm voice "HELLO, WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! MJ SHOT 50+% FOR HIS CAREER(1ST), MJ IS 50+% IN CLUTCH MOMENTS(1ST)30+ppg (1st)most blks for SGs, Sold more shoes than anyone😆 and there is more.
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I got MJ #1, but I can't stand these dudes that don't wanna give Bron his flowers.
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How jordan 1 he not the best at anything he not the best passer not the best shooter not the biggest winner not the best defender y’all just love him the most😂
@@Detsports.11by your logic lebrons not the best at anything either😂
@@trendexposure7799 except at scoring 😅
@@MrTkmcmill he don’t have any of the highest avg per season nor do he have the variety like a bird or KD Steph etc soo
Tbh i think there were more people were salty about lebron breaking the record than those praising. The all time scoring record was a huge deal until lebron got close to it, then people found reasons to diminish it.
Facts
No actually the first to catch or unseat JORDAN in rings is going to be more important than the scoring title or who can 3peat we are looking for dominance alltime scoring record doesn't mean dominance unless the rings go with it CONTEXT
@@philminor233bill russel?
@@soarz3731 Jordan is the STANDARD what are you new to ball Jordan been considered the GOAT since 91 By his PEERS
@@philminor233rings don’t matter at all when Robert horry got one more than MJ. And he is a role player. We’re talking a 6’9 250 tank who has a better career 3 ball percentage than mj. Who can play all 5 positions of the court. Also came back from that 3-1 lead who if you put the 95” bulls against they would’ve got killed.
I wanna see Stephen A and Gilbert Arenas go at it.
Good call.
Gilbert 3-0
I don't...G will bring a gun again
Stephen a been on this show already . Look it up
Lol he can barely handle jj Reddick and jay Williams 🤣
Leading 8 straight teams (that arguably wouldn't have made it out of the first round) to the finals is the most impressive stat in modern basketball. That's such a crazy accomplishment.
Why do y'all get on here and just make up shit just to prove a point?? Just a blatant lie.. LeBron was not an underdog in the 1st round those 8 straight years..You forget about Miami?
@@FlyAwayChi Everyone else seemed to get it, but I'm just noticing a typo in my comment. I meant teams that wouldn't have made it out of the first round WITHOUT HIM. Sorry for the confusion.
@@thewalkingdunning-krugeref9664 miami was already a good team. They just loss Shaq.
@@dugalsingja2185 don’t say stupid shit please😂 Shaq was out of Miami in 08 and Miami got bounced first round by Boston in 2009-10( exactly like this dude was saying would happen if they didn’t have LeBron) they were a decent team but got handled 4-1 in the first round.
On the contrary, being beaten by Turkoglu's Orlando with a 66-16 Cavs team, by 35 yrs old 50-32 Celtics trio with a 61-21 Cavs team, by even more veteran Dallas while playing with two other superstars, and getting busted by 38 yrs Duncan and 37 yrs old Ginobili, that's the really impressive stat. Even more impressive that there are people that ignorant and irrational to compare a loser like that to MJ.
Nearly everything about MJ’s career was perfect timing. The media, the shoes, the league needing a face, the coach, the teammates, the decline of Magic and Bird. The teams he played against in the finals. Damn near EVERYTHING! It’s amazing that we can’t set aside the nostalgia and look at things for what they actually are.
You’re just gate keeping the new generation. When I’m fact us new generations that are actually new (young) are mostly rooting for Jordan when it comes to the “Goat” tag
@@KingBr33ch lol wtf are you talking about
you said it perfectly bro,everything fell in place for jordan
Preach
exactly lmaooo.. nobody talk about the competition he actually won against. cuz when magic was healthy it was all him, when bird and isiah was healthy jordan couldnt even make a conference finals. bird and isiah retired early which saved jordan.. magic got sick literally the same year jordan won his first chip
He broke the record in a season where he averaged 30 in a game where he scored 38 points. He did not crawl to this record, he blew past it and is going to put it so far, that I am not sure we will see anyone break it in the next 40 years.
Facts!
LeBron is the 🐐! Kareem is 2nd and Karl Malone is 3rd! These players has way more points than mj overrated ass
@@rektz2457you’re high😂😂
Well said bro 🤟🏾
@@rektz2457ok you gone too far there buddy... I was with you until you said Kareem 2nd lol
MJ still GOAT
“You guys are all yellow eyed” is CRAZY 😂😂😂
As a Lebron fan myself, I loved it so much💪💪🤣🤣🤣
😆 ded. I need Gil to negotiate my annual reviews. 🤝 // He’d tell me I’m chit in the areas I dropped the ball, but damn, I’m getting every dime for my strength.
James Harden is the Dennis Rodman of Today he's at all the party's
I got Bron as the best player ever. His individual accomplishments is unreal & he's still going strong.
I wonder who has more accomplishments then LBJ. Kareem and MJ to start
Is he? Not making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. He's limping over the finishline lol
So he isnt the best ever you groupie
MJ and Kareem has more accomplishments individually and team wise
Straight facts 💯
"If Lebron played in our era we woulda stopped him!"
"First of all you smell like Gin. You got cocaine in your sock"
😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
And he outweighs your center ! 😅
🤣🤣I’m cryin💀
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m dead
😂😂😂😂😂 I came straight to the comments for this!!
“38; averaging 30!!” best ever
He's Goku he haven't turned super Saiyan 10 yet
nobody is even attempting to guard him you do realize that right? lol
Scores 30 gives up 28… that’s not good basketball
@@johnstone2103 besides some bucks players & some Boston players; NO ONE plays D throughout the whole nba.. but that convos for another thread
@@johnstone2103 Bruh that’s basketball now. A majority of the time no one guards one individual player, anymore. They all run zones and switch on defense. The guy that scored 28 wasn’t guarded by one particular person the whole time. 🤦🏿♂️ Marcus Smart is the current reigning “Defensive Player Of the Year”. Steph Curry averaged 31 points in the Finals last year against him and the Celtics, yet he still won that award. Learn basketball bro before making certain comments.
It’s crazy to think that the majority of us will never understand how Kareem felt watching his greatest stamp in the game being taken away.
Took his infinity stone 🔥
Samson got his hair cut
Still got 6 chips 6 mvps lololol didn't take a 3 to get it on CASUALS think this way
@@philminor233talent is far greater in today’s league 💯
None of us know what it feels like.
😂😂😂😂 Gilbert needs to do stand up comedy!!! This had me ROLLING but he was spitting all facts tho! Called them folks “Yellow Eyed Bandits” 😂😂😂😂
That line was crazy af😂😂😂😂
He definitely is funny🤣😭😂
Bruhhhhh 😂😂😂😂
Gilbert is 🗑 bro
The 'first off, you smell like gin' had me dying😂😂
MJ on rule changes: "If teams were able to play zone defenses, I never would've had the career I had."
He meant zone defense with the center being able to park in the paint with no defensive 3 seconds..
Facts these clowns don’t want to admit the truth.
@@Ackshuallymmm Yes that's what they do now, well more so between 2003 and 2016
@@anthonydexter3527 no they don’t that rule took place during bill and wilts time MJ would cake walk and have an even better career in this era
as a rookie 28.2 ppg . gtfohwtbs
That’s what I love Gilbert, he tells it like it is, he doesn’t care what anybody else says.
Kareem had great foot work, he had the drop step and he had great pivot work. You have to look at the Milwaukee highlights and how he had a what we call the Dirk Nowitzki signature Shot lifting the knee fade away. There was no 3 point line for him to develop until 1980 at 32 years old. He did not grow up with the 3 point line being a factor in his game. So to say what other skill did he have other than the sky hook is ridiculous.
Along with being a dominant rebounder and shot blocker ppl gotta remember first 4 years of his career they DID NOT count blocks or steals he's most likely the real block leader and close to 4 assists
What other skill ? Ugh well the guy is 3rd all time in Rebounds and BiLK's also #1 in field goals made. 19 All Star 11 all defense. Had 7 seasons in a row of at least 3+ B,lk's and 1 stl. The first 4 years they didn't track blks or stls
Sooooooooooooo what? the average player wasn't as skilled as today's average player
@@geekgrem yeah buddy heild is sooooo skilled
Also on the sky hook : The man shot a ONE-HANDED fadeaway shot for the majority of his career....and shot over 55%! If that's not skill, I don't know what is!
(Also, it seems that he took to heart one of Bruce Lee's teachings : "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.").
I grew up watching Jordan. And honestly MJ was a cultural icon! I agree that the way MJ did was magical. But the shoe and brand explosion was essentially the social media of his day. Lebron, hands down is the GOAT. He never got the love for scoring...nor his passing. LBJs consistent ability has been his AVAILABILITY! He changed the game!
Nonsense. 🤦🏼♂️
😂😂😂
@@acason4 And he said he saw both play 😂😂😂😂😂
You do understand the definition of the word "availability" right 😂😂😂😂😂😂 lebron is the total opposite of availability
Well if he's the "opposite" then that makes all his records even that more incredible! Cmon bro, more minutes played. More games played...do some research. Availability! Now AD...complete opposite lol
Man I just gained a whole lot of more respect for this gentleman talkin Agent Zero. Penny Hardaway is definitely in that category. This young man know his stuff
what has he done in his career? im live in DC. Arenas was the best player on a bad team? his game diddnt inpack winning. he OD off pussy and killed his career.
100 percent.If penny doesnt battle injuries he most definitely is in the top 5 convo
GOAT Criteria: MJ✅🥱
Championships: MJ - 6/6 LBJ - 4/10
FMVPs: MJ - 6 LBJ - 4
MVPs: MJ - 5 LBJ - 4
scoring titles: MJ - 10 LBJ - 1
DPOY: MJ - 1 LBJ - 0
Stls/Assi. titles: MJ - 3 LBJ - 1
Defense: MJ✅🥱
MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x stls champ, 1 of 4 players to have 200+stls and 100+blks in a season (MJ did it twice), NBA Record for the most blocks in a season by any guard (131), Top 3 in NBA History for stls and blks for guards
LeBron: 6 All-Defensive teams, 3rd in voting behind KG and Dwight Howard in the 2011-12 season, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in the 2012-13 season
Advanced Stats: MJ✅🥱
PER: MJ (highest in NBA History both regular season and playoffs)
OBPM: MJ (contributed more on offense)
DBPM: MJ (contributed more on defense)
VORP: MJ (highest in NBA History on a per game basis)
WS/48: MJ (contributed more to winning)
TS%: LeBron (60-65% of career pts within 0-3ft from the basket - BasketballReference.com)
LeBron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history
35% 10-16ft (mid-range)
34% 16ft+ on 6 3pta per game
72%FT line
= Can't shoot
Perimeter Defense: F
Reading passing lanes: C
Stealing the ball: D
Help defense: F
Interior Defense: B
Hasn't made an All-Defensive team in 10+yrs
Led the league in pts let up on defensive 1on1 situations (2012-13 - interestingly one of the same seasons he almost won a DPOY proving how overrated the man is)
= Can't play defense
On shots with 1min. or less to tie or to win the game LeBron James in the regular season is 19/94 (19%), in the playoffs is 9/25 (36%), and in the finals is 0/7 (0%) ... and to add insult to injury the majority of those shots didn't even win the game. They either tied, went into OT and they won or lost. Now he has the most buzzer beaters in the playoffs, but they aren't game winners so is it really clutch?
= Isn't clutch
= No handles/finesse
When properly evaluating LeBrons career the man realistically isn't even a Top 5 player All-Time
And if playing for 20 years accumulating stats makes you the GOAT then thered be no reason to win nor perfect your craft. Seeing how it is LeBron is below mediocre in the categories that matter, it makes his fans had to add longevity to the criteria in order to propel their man in a debate he doesn't belong in
@@FrokuBabayy you say all this, but at the end of the day outside of steals and points mj aint a top 50 player. Bron is in all the major categories
@@eatshityoutube3271 If the man averages more stls and ppg then what does having more accumulated points and steals mean? Absolutely nothing. Bron is Top 10 in most categories after having played for for 20 years milking stats
Just think how many great careers started and ended since Kareem broke that record in 1984..
Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem, etc etc etc..
Yet no one ever considered Kareem the goat... odd
@@tatemessmer4936 6 rings doesn't make an NBA player a GOAT
The absolute best breakdown and explanation. Been saying it for years without the marketing and the shoes, a ton of people would not be so hard pressed to say LBJ is the GOAT.
Before someone thinks that is me in the pic it isn’t it’s my son so come correct thank you.
1d1ot
What? Michael Jordan was pushed more than any other athlete in history. The Last Dance was pure propaganda put out but Jordan himself cause he knew LeBron was gonna be breaking records soon.
Shit my bad. I read what you wrote wrong. Good point.
Jordan is 6-0 in the finals, 2 three peats, more finals mvp and league mvp, more points,steals,fg%,ft%,less turnovers. Their accomplishments don't even compare.
@@blankshadow2050LeBron has a higher field goal percentage
@rodneyjones5401 it's 50.1%, and jordans is 49%. What shots does lebron what shots does jordan take. Lebron is a horrible shooter, and 91% of his shots aren't shots they are layup, dunks, and putbacks. Outside of 3 feet from the basketball lebron shooting percentage are in the low 30s. Please use context and common sense
Kick hat knowledge Gilbert! It's so refreshing to hear from a player that's not stuck in that old Dinosaur mentality always talking about the past and forgetting that everything evolves and gets better!
1d1ot
Evolution doesn't happen in 20 years it takes way longer than that
Jordan 🐐
The past is what gave these youngsters their future have a little more respect for that reason.
People still stuck the past we are witnessing history with Lebron
MJ was the first great player for most people. Why not Kareem or Wilt or Russell? Few people really saw them play. The popularity of the game really started with Magic and Bird, but the game's popularity started in the Jordan era. That is why subjectively people like MJ. He was the first global player.
MJ was proclaimed GOAT after his 1st 3peat btw. Isiah Zeke Thomas , Magic , Barkley etc said it publicly while he was still playing
So when LeBron peers says he's the goat it don't matter?????? Ishah Thomas saiidnthat about Jordan.,but since LeBron had been here ishah Thomas changed his mind and said LEBRON is the goat. ..Shaq also siad it ..but y'all only listen to players that side with Jordan....sellout MFs thays why he got his daddy killed...fuck Jordan and his garbage ass sons
@@reginaldwilliams6241 Shaq is on record saying MJ then Kobe then Bron. He will change his mind again. Isaih hates that MJ got a statue in his hometown of Chicago and is a jealous queer and Dr J is jealous that MJ got credit for the flashy playstyle instead of him CONTEXT
@@reginaldwilliams6241 oh and BTW the NBA announced MJ as goat with MVP trophy and he wins all polls by a landslide. Not even a debate
@@bx979 and your mom is dead .mine is alive...I win younlose again.... mother's day is coming so don't start crying 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@bx979 so if people pick lbj over mj they are jealous of mike lmao ight
I also feel like Westbrook didn’t get his full love when he averaged a triple double. Another record that people thought would never happen. And he did it more than once.
Go and watch those games. While people criticize lebron for stat padding what westbrook did was blatantly obvious. Missing shots so he could get his 10th rebound and bs like that. He was great in his prime but when he realized he blew his chance at being a multiple time champion with kd he went the stat route.
Right! Westbrook will always be one of my fav players ever. All energy and effort all the time. That Stat padding convo is so lame, ppl act like averaging a triple double is something a normal thing to do against nba players.
@@thisnewnamesystemisdumbWestbrook and Bron weren't stat padding. Mike led the league in shot attempts for 9 seasons grabbing scoring titles NOBODY cared about 😂
20:30 what Gil says here is 100% the nba is at a point where if u even wanna be in the league you have to grind and have talent. Like as the league grows the amount of people playing it grows to, thus increasing the amount of competition there is, which in turn increases the overall talent/athletic ability of all the players
Like this comment. Everything has changed since the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and even the 2000s. Like Gilbert said the dedication to the league wasn’t what it is today. 4 5 6 hours in the gym.. DAILY. Not including the off-season. Medicine, and the way we live is so much different. Stronger bigger guys moving faster. No way they hold up in todays league. 40 years from now it just might be the same conversation we’re having now. 🤷🏽♂️
@@ThynBlueSlym ya exactly
What i don't understand about the GOAT discussion is, nobody was caring about Kareem record to put him as the best. And now that the number one argument for LBJ. Makes that makes sense, for me the best is not about record but skill, talent, killer instinct. In the NFL we are already putting Mahomes as the best ever and he is far away from TB12 regarding record.
Bron is gonna be top 5 in 3 major stat categories, top in overall and reg season scoring. Top 10 in stls and blocks. MJ numbers aren't like that. 6 titles is a team accomplishment. As a individual player still playing at the level he's playing 20 yrs in is nuts. But ppl tend to ignore that
Bill Russell had 11 rings and nobody put him as the goat at the moment and yet the 6 rings is the ultimate argument that people make for MJ as the goat
@@Sn00pE23 let's talk individual....MJ has my re scoreing tittles more MVPs more defense player of the year more all team defense selections..if you go look up the who has the most acculades of any nba player it's MJ ..it's not even close
The guy with less killer instinct passed up a guy taking 1,000 less shots. Well damn!
Then that same guy with less killer instinct stands alone at the top of all time scorers. And I'm willing to bet Bron breaks the all time scoring record again hahahaha
@@pvray1865 lebron a pass first player and still passed jordan in points with 1600 less shot😂
Must say I been missing this show like crazy.
Except that they should have brought up how Bron has not even passed Kobe in the GOAT discussion. Kobe embarrassed BRON in the 2013 All Star Game man on man. Beat him in the team game judged only by championships with 5.
@@awwwsy LeBron has a winning record against Kobe lmao. LeBron has more MVPs, more finals MVPs, more points, rebounds, more assists, better career averages in the playoffs and regular season, etc. Kobe got passed after 2016
@@jeremiahsmith7706 bruh really brought up All star game where there is the lowest game intensity in all games in the NBA lmaooo
Thank you for the amazing content y'all
All I know is nobody wears lebrons shoes! Kids wear jordan's and they never seen him play.
Crazy how KG and Pierce have also said LeBron’s the GOAT.
Both are Jordan fans and friends who notoriously disliked LeBron.
when they say that? i doubt that
@@DFlowetry So my guy Mo, is just spouting nonsense or have you heard for ya self yet ?
@@DFlowetrythey did say it, and they looked hurt while saying it lol. It's on RUclips
They said it on their podcast.
It's not just that he has more points...he did it in less shots
And he's a pass first player goat shit haha
@@stephentyler6290 cause he can't shoot.🤷🏾♂️not to mention they don't guard.🤦🏾♂️
Now go look at their 3s comparisons
@@MegaJordan323 the 3 wasn’t emphasized until Steph. You think Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than Reggie Miller and ray allen too ?
@@stephentyler6290 Casual he also has the highest on ball usage ever🤷🏾♂️ You do know Jordan and players like Kobe played off the basketball right
LeBron being 1st in scoring as a pass-first player is the equivalent of Jordan being top 5 in assist of which he is 47th. LeBron on the other hand is actually top 5 in assist. Just let that sink in..
Is everyone in the world so dumb they don't understand the difference between averages and aggregate numbers? Actually learn statistics first before talking about it please.
Top 5 in points and assists, top 10 in steals, top 50 in blocks.
yep and if your son and mine play I rather see them play with lebron they will get the ball for a shot not with jordan or kobe
Bron is the best player ever. Jordan’s run was just so iconic & it came at perfect timing for the league’s popularity.
Watch the film. Lebron built Superteams and still lost. It’s all on film. He lost to ordinary teams like the 2011 Mavs, the young 2015 warriors , and the old 2014 spurs
None of those teams were ordinary.. ur just bron hater
That same ordinary mavs team swept kobe, the 2015 warriors were a 60+ win team, and the spurs was still very much a dynasty
@@prince-bm4xt Heat we’re favored over the Mavs and had home court in the finals. 3 all-stars vs the Mavs 1 all-star. They should have won.
@@prince-bm4xt Duncan was 38 and Manu was 36. They were past their prime. And GSW were young just like OKC was when LBJ beat them.
Thank you Gil most NBA players current or former be hating on the GOAT it’s pathetic actually💯
They still going hate🔥
Lebron not the goat the fuck you on
I thought the game was about winning
This is the same guy who brought guns into a locker room. His opinion is trash
@@vokedhefty2922 yeah as a TEAM but there’s still individual accolades
Pretending Lebron breaking the record isn't a big deal is an even bigger disrespect to Kareem than it is Lebron
It is a big deal. Just doesn't make him the GOAT.
Was Kareem The GOAT till the time LeBron didn't break his record?
True but the media has been disrespecting Kareem & Bill Russell
@@HoopsTalk123 Kareem was my goat. And best believe EVERYBODY don't pick Jordan or run out to buy his shoes. The pole done last year of a measly 2k people picked Jordan But they Also answered Jordan to the 2nd question. Who had the Best college career of all time? Voters said Michael Jeffery Jordan 🤣😂 NOT
@@teresa-oj9rq I can respect this take. It is logically consistent. Lebron can't be the goat over Jordan if Kareem wasn't the goat over Jordan.
@@tommydashed4205 Kareem is the goat to many people Besides the 1st ballot hofers that pick Kareem & LeBron over Jordan. You do realize there's a pole Right? I wonder why the media won't showcase that pole 🤔 anyway your goat is your opinion cool but don't get it twisted Mj is not the goat to Everybody
Being a 29 year old and hearing how that record would never get touched I remember watching all these greats come and go and asking my dad you think that record gonna get broken and when he would say no I believed him and witnessing that night on TV that it actually happened it was like this wasn't supposed to happen so the disbelief overrides the acceptance of we just witness. For me lbj is my 🐐 but thats just me but man you can't say that wasn't probably the greatest record to ever break
It's a longevity record.that is all he played 20 years if MJ played as long as lebron he would of had broke the record but he only played really consistently 11 full years Jordan had 10 NBA scoring titles .bron had 1
Mj played 15 season dont fool that kid. Stop the if argument 🤣
@@jeremybellow9211 that’s what’s makes part of longevity great. not every player has/had the ability to play for that long
@@jeremybellow9211 jordan had 10 scoring titles right ? But yet lead the league in shot attempts and bricks not 1x not 2x not 3x but 8x the most of all time also shot 3500+ more shots then the next top scorer in the league and 3473 more shots then the #2 ppg yk lbj has lead the league zero times in bricks and shot attempts right ? You do realize mj had the luxury of leading the league in freebies to right ?
@@dylansmiley9953 lol you funny my guy lebron leads the league in miss free throws lol it's literally a free shot lol lowest 3 point shot also and all done in a era were you actually can get hella of a lot of free throw shots and just free shots in general in this none defensive league lol boi stop I can go all they with bron bron bad attributes. He played 20 years and Michael basically played 12 years and accomplished way more in less time play guy you don't want to argue this topic cause you will not win. It's nothing you can say that will make bron bron better. He is a top 10 but this era my guy lol
Lebron is the most skilled basketball player ever. Jordan was amazing. He also played on better teams for much longer during his prime.
I always enjoy Gil takes on ball. That cocaine story got me crying.😂
I agree. Hurting people on defense doesn’t equate to good defense. And these old school think cause they destroyed people it was better defense. Doesn’t make sense. If anything that’s technically lazy defense instead of guarding someone properly
Watch those two videos. It explains exactly what ur talking about. Defense was not better in the 90s. Jordan stats were inflated cause they spammed iso
The arguments against lebron's greatness have gotten out of hand from media. Nice to know the fans and players give him his due
Bruh fans don't give him his flowers
GOAT Criteria: MJ✅🥱
Championships: MJ - 6/6 LBJ - 4/10
FMVPs: MJ - 6 LBJ - 4
MVPs: MJ - 5 LBJ - 4
scoring titles: MJ - 10 LBJ - 1
DPOY: MJ - 1 LBJ - 0
Stls/Assi. titles: MJ - 3 LBJ - 1
Defense: MJ✅🥱
MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x stls champ, 1 of 4 players to have 200+stls and 100+blks in a season (MJ did it twice), NBA Record for the most blocks in a season by any guard (131), Top 3 in NBA History for stls and blks for guards
LeBron: 6 All-Defensive teams, 3rd in voting behind KG and Dwight Howard in the 2011-12 season, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in the 2012-13 season
Advanced Stats: MJ✅🥱
PER: MJ (highest in NBA History both regular season and playoffs)
OBPM: MJ (contributed more on offense)
DBPM: MJ (contributed more on defense)
VORP: MJ (highest in NBA History on a per game basis)
WS/48: MJ (contributed more to winning)
TS%: LeBron (60-65% of career pts within 0-3ft from the basket - BasketballReference.com)
LeBron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history
35% 10-16ft (mid-range)
34% 16ft+ on 6 3pta per game
72%FT line
= Can't shoot
Perimeter Defense: F
Reading passing lanes: C
Stealing the ball: D
Help defense: F
Interior Defense: B
Hasn't made an All-Defensive team in 10+yrs
Led the league in pts let up on defensive 1on1 situations (2012-13 - interestingly one of the same seasons he almost won a DPOY proving how overrated the man is)
= Can't play defense
On shots with 1min. or less to tie or to win the game LeBron James in the regular season is 19/94 (19%), in the playoffs is 9/25 (36%), and in the finals is 0/7 (0%) ... and to add insult to injury the majority of those shots didn't even win the game. They either tied, went into OT and they won or lost. Now he has the most buzzer beaters in the playoffs, but they aren't game winners so is it really clutch?
= Isn't clutch
= No handles/finesse
When properly evaluating LeBrons career the man realistically isn't even a Top 5 player All-Time
And if playing for 20 years accumulating stats makes you the GOAT then thered be no reason to win nor perfect your craft. Seeing how it is LeBron is below mediocre in the categories that matter, it makes his fans had to add longevity to the criteria in order to propel their man in a debate he doesn't belong in
All the media has done his entire career it nut hug him, expedite everything he does, and use longevity as a way to propel him into a debate he doesn't belong in. Wtf do yall smoke?
@@FrokuBabayy my boy u proving the the point I'm not saying lebron the goat but as a FAN he gets my respect u can't argue what he's done
@@kingtriga410 Thats cool. He gets a level of respect from me for what hes accomplished and its why I have him as one of the 10 greatest players to ever play the game
IM SAYING that to say fans and/or the media doesn't give him his flowers when 99% of NBA fans below the age of 18 anyway are on his nut sack all day everyday about him being the King or GOAT, is just wild
When you look at MJ, he was the best player in the 90s, won 6 titles and it wasn't even close. LeBron has had competition from multiple players that passed him as the greatest player for a number of years. LeBron lost the debate when he formed a big 3 with Wade and Bosh and lost in the Finals. You are an all time great, make that move and lose in the Finals imo. If Jordan would have joined Olajuwon and Barley on a team people would have destroyed him for being weak but we praise LeBron? No imo that is crazy.
He said Saleem Stoudamire. That opened up something in the back my brain
I've been saying this exact shit for a while now. Nobody from the past wants to admit to what Gil is saying
8 straight finals
4 rings with 3 different teams
All time leading scorer & not good at 3 pointers
& Free throws
38 yrs old.
GOAT PERIOD 💯🔥
Lebron is NBA all time turnover leader and 5th all time most miss free throws. Bron CHOKED lost 6 finals. LeBron isn't a top ten player all time
8 straight finals in the weak ass Eastern Conference. And ppl question the comp Jordan played against? FOH. You think Lebron's going to 8 straight if he's in the Western conference?
4 rings with these super teams he put together. Jordan never played with another All Star besides Scottie.
Need help 😂
You forgetting his losses and his chokes and his quitting. LeBron don't have it. They try to give it to him
The amount of irrational hate LeBron gets is a strong argument for him actually being the GOAT. People only hate the very best like that.
How Gilbert hears the 80s players is how we hear him now. Underappreciate by eras is stupid.. Talking about rodman going to the club but still grabbin 20 rebounds the next day.. Jordan gambling till 4 am but still dropping 40 in your ass. Surprised a nba player had that terrible take. Lebron is great, i feel like him and Jordan are separated from everyone else. Jordan still the best tho, but lebron is close second.
- bang!
How did he under appreciate he literally just said they fouled hard and couldn’t actually play defense which is a fact and his point about that mindset back then is that the skill level has changed you can get away with that shit back then but now you can’t have a day cuz players today are very elite you’re under appreciating todays game by yo logic lol
Jordan is Dad and Bron is Mom. 2 GOTES. Did it their own way. Jordan did it all and more in a shorter span. Bron did it all and in a way no one has done it before. This is the most recent argument and probly the greatest ever cus I’m sure Kareem didn’t have this much of a fight when Jordan took the Crown
It's like he wants a job from lebron or something
Kareem?Magic?Tim Duncan?Kobe?
This was the best I've ever seen it broken down!! Salute to Gilber arenas bro
Greatest story ever told!!!! Thank you agent zero, cause of this video right here there should be no debate anymore you are an NBA player actually was really nice in your words mean something
You have not heard many stories, then.
@@shaft9000 Learn to READ WITH UNDERSTANDING BEFORE MAKING IDIOTIC COMMENTS.....
Dont believe a guy who brings guns in the locker room
@@ianazura7915 Don't call someone the GOAT who was accused of getting his father killed.....
@@teamgreats4084 using the word accused makes your comment better..lol
Opinions are one thing, but if you can’t contextualize or relativize stats, stop using them in your arguments. Stats are objective, they’re a record of what has occurred, a lot of the people in the comments are using objective history to infer subjective hypotheticals.
MJ fans always want to throw the narrative "well LBJ played more games than MJ" like if LBJ didn't pass MJ with less shot attempts and more assists 🤷
130 something plus more games/5000 minutes on the floor.
@@acs79 and mj still took more shots
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yall look desperate when yall try to make cases for bron...it's almost like the jv squad trying to out work the varsity team..like just stop while yall ahead..
@@Sangfroid.keep trying lol.
Lebron 3 point attempts 6499
And Jordan had 1778 lmao
Shouts out to Agent zero for this take had me cracking up
Love how most of this is rooted in common sense. Which makes it funny and more real than ppl will admit
Ah yes common sense. This "common sense" you speak of would mean that since Kareem had the biggest NBA record for the last 40 years that he was undeniably the goat right? We dont want to consider all of these other "invisible" stats right? So common sense would dictate that Kareem was the goat all along? Weird no one ever saying that...
Agent zero for President 😂😂😂. This man literally had me in tears!!! He never disappoints!!!
Yeah
He's delusional and idiotic
Dont believe a guy who brings guns in the locker room
I love Gil’s take 💯💯
he has no brains
That take on 80s basketball was facts!! Bro was cooking lol 😂
Your joking right? If top points in the league was all you needed to be the goat then why wasnt Kareem undeniably considered the goat for the last 40 years? Ill wait
@@tatemessmer4936because MJ existed and stormed the league he was am extremely good volume shooter and also that's not what you need to become the goat you need to be the best in every category so tell ME which one could play all 5 positions at a high level MJ or lebron
😂😂😂😂😂😂 facts
Also, when you’re discussing the greatest player I think you should incorporate from the time that the player began formal organized competition, until retirement.
I say that to say, while Jordan was being cut from his high school team, Lebron was winning state championships, while being the 1st high school player to ever garner national recognition and have his games televised on ESPN.
The whole Jordan got cut thing is said he just didn’t wanna play jv so Instead he tried for varsity and got cut then came back a year later and was on the team(Coulda just played at a lower level) but that just adds to his story somehow nobody realized that he was way smaller not as strong and a year or 2 younger than everyone on that team but people make it seem like a come back story when he was on the team a year later when he was older bigger and stronger and had a year to work on his game cuz he refused to think he could play at a lower level mean while bron got picked to be on a team by coach that was watching him play football( Bron primarily played football when he was younger)
I always ask you guys. MJ played 15 years ,won 6 Titles. What happened to the other 9?
@@FruNgang-by3eo Lebron has play 20 years and won 4 rings… what happen to the other 16???
And from being cut in HIGH SCHOOL that made MJ that dude
@@giancarlocuevas2535 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Statistically LeBron is the best, he played for 2+ decades but he has never had a chance at passing Jordan as the GOAT. As soon as he joined in Miami it was over.
MJ is the quintessential basketball player that's why. Not just his stats, how he did it, his movements, his personality It's also his physical appearance, the way his name sounds and looks. Michael Jordan. Very cool name. Even his initials are iconic in look and sound. M.J. Even his theme songs and brand "AIR" and "Be Like Mike". He was the perfect superstar. Almost mythical in a sense.
That’s just being biased to personal preferences tbh
Gilbert is the realest person I've heard talk about the NBA. He just keeps shit a buck with ya and goes into great detail and storytelling on all his questions
GOAT Criteria: MJ✅🥱
Championships: MJ - 6/6 LBJ - 4/10
FMVPs: MJ - 6 LBJ - 4
MVPs: MJ - 5 LBJ - 4
scoring titles: MJ - 10 LBJ - 1
DPOY: MJ - 1 LBJ - 0
Stls/Assi. titles: MJ - 3 LBJ - 1
Defense: MJ✅🥱
MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x stls champ, 1 of 4 players to have 200+stls and 100+blks in a season (MJ did it twice), NBA Record for the most blocks in a season by any guard (131), Top 3 in NBA History for stls and blks for guards
LeBron: 6 All-Defensive teams, 3rd in voting behind KG and Dwight Howard in the 2011-12 season, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in the 2012-13 season
Advanced Stats: MJ✅🥱
PER: MJ (highest in NBA History both regular season and playoffs)
OBPM: MJ (contributed more on offense)
DBPM: MJ (contributed more on defense)
VORP: MJ (highest in NBA History on a per game basis)
WS/48: MJ (contributed more to winning)
TS%: LeBron (60-65% of career pts within 0-3ft from the basket - BasketballReference.com)
LeBron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history
35% 10-16ft (mid-range)
34% 16ft+ on 6 3pta per game
72%FT line
= Can't shoot
Perimeter Defense: F
Reading passing lanes: C
Stealing the ball: D
Help defense: F
Interior Defense: B
Hasn't made an All-Defensive team in 10+yrs
Led the league in pts let up on defensive 1on1 situations (2012-13 - interestingly one of the same seasons he almost won a DPOY proving how overrated the man is)
= Can't play defense
On shots with 1min. or less to tie or to win the game LeBron James in the regular season is 19/94 (19%), in the playoffs is 9/25 (36%), and in the finals is 0/7 (0%) ... and to add insult to injury the majority of those shots didn't even win the game. They either tied, went into OT and they won or lost. Now he has the most buzzer beaters in the playoffs, but they aren't game winners so is it really clutch?
= Isn't clutch
= No handles/finesse
When properly evaluating LeBrons career the man realistically isn't even a Top 5 player All-Time
And if playing for 20 years accumulating stats makes you the GOAT then thered be no reason to win nor perfect your craft. Seeing how it is LeBron is below mediocre in the categories that matter, it makes his fans had to add longevity to the criteria in order to propel their man in a debate he doesn't belong in
Real? He didn't make one point in this video or one point that was thought out or coherent. Just disrespecting the greats that came before him to uplift his man crush
Bruh he’s talking crazy, you must be smoking the same garbage he’s smoking.
9:51 "Jordan's not number one in any of the categories".
He's #1 in scoring titles, PPG for both regular season and playoffs. Also #1 in number of Finals MVPs 😑
@@yourbedsidelotion1358 bron wit to team up wit a guy who won before him gtf
@@yourbedsidelotion1358 Doesn't take away from the fact that he is actually number one in categories
Ppg, is probably Wilt 🤷🏾♂️
@@CenCity Michael Jordan*30.12
Wilt Chamberlain*30.07
Elgin Baylor*27.36
Kevin Durant27.28
LeBron James27.22
Jerry West*27.03
@@yourbedsidelotion1358 facts bro
Be a fan , enjoy lebrons greatness ,just don't be silly !" Lebron has to justify his own ego tripping ,not his fans !" Its not an unforgivable sin for him to say that . He just opened a can of worms for those of us who saw greater players to give our rebuttals !" Bill Russell has a lot to say , bird ,magic , and jordans resume also have rebuttals!" Kobe won more championships !" Really?" ,lebron ,really ?" Why taint your own legacy by making this about you verses the history of the NBA ?" We should be celebrating his obvious incredible legacy instead of arguing this idoicy!"""
Without Michael the NBA isnt where it is today. Lebron and Mike didnt play each other so there's no discussion. It's about who's best of their respective era.
You crazy as hell 😂 league would’ve been the same
@@lilshawtync4673 You def slow
@@lilshawtync4673 Dumb statement.
Nah I got mike over lebron easy.
@@AppleJacksCereal you saying easy like lebron darko or something. Even if jordan is better in your eyes this notion that jordan on level 100 and lebron on level 43 gotta stop no matter who you got they neck and neck
“Yellow-eyed bandits!” Is insane 😭
Myself and Gil have the same mindset Mike's my favorite player but I know what I've watched the last 20+ years and the LeBrons the best player I've seen in my 43 years m.
💯
what did you see to determine this?
Facts 🎉
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yall tell yall selves anything
@S Willy don't even ask cuz niggas eyesight shot to hell
Bill Russell 11 rings to 6 lmao when is the mj cap gon stop just between them 2 rings dont matter but when its come to lbj it matters the cap is strong with mj fans its out of this world
I remember when he was in HS and some of the boys were saying he was the best they have ever seen.
Noone breaks this stuff down better than Agent 0 and I agree with his decision
Yeah and he backed it up with facts
This why I like agent zero. Genius basketball mind
FAXXXX‼️
To those who don't know basketball,,,
He said nothing about basketball just narratives and hating on the older players
hes dumb
@@pep2st8p64 😆 So true.
MJ is the Goat, One thing I dislike about LBJ is if you have to call yourself the goat, You aren't the goat, If you look up Jordan accolades, his stats, his championships , His MVPs, and of course the eye test Jordan wins them all but rebounds and Assists, Not like LBJ Is even that much it's like by 1, LBJ doesn't have defensive player of the year, doesn't have 10 Scoring titles, And sorry but Kobe Bryant is #2 , LBJ might not even be better than Larry Bird, Just saying at the small forward
@@howsittastes actually no that's false or a lie, MJ didn't call himself the Goat and that's a fact ,Wilt was just jealous people where calling MJ the Goat, Any way were is your source or did you just come up with this lie on your own ?
I love this show lol these guys play off each other so well .. and talk basketball without sensationalizm
They both played.
Jesus Loves you and wants you to accept him as your Lord and saviour
@@akeemMagic01 Jesus Loves you and wants you to accept him as your Lord and saviour
You would've thought that Ole Gilbert Boy would've learned his lesson getting schooled on his own show by Vernon Maxwell! Gilbert kept the Pie Face all show! 😂
@@kentagious1246 Vernon Max low Iq ball player boss .. Take the so called best defender at that time ( Rodman ) and put him in todays nba he wouldnt be the best defender over guys like Kwahi / Gianns / Jrue Holiday / Jaylen brown etc .. Nba isnt a combat sport league like back in the day its High IQ and High performance basketball
As a sneakerhead, it's the shoes. MJ has the best shoes and marketing. Game is way more technical now.
Shooting 3's is not technical
@@kmpowe183 pick, catch, shoot. very technical lol. Not like we allow carry and gather steps in this gen (aka travel lol).
More technical with no defense? Absurd.
Love to see him in First Take!
We need this to happen ! 😂
Say it how it is.. Bron was hiding in the east, beating 40 win teams and only managed 4 from 20! 90% of his points come off uncontested lay ups and dunks and the rest off illegal offence!
Glorifying brons Legecy with "he dabs his girl" or "unstoppable" is comedy!
Bron aint even top 5. That's the reality
He’s spitting facts but he’s also diminishing Jordan’s achievements. He’s saying using all these other factors to eliminate Lebron from #1 but he’s using all the same factors to promote Lebron.
I’m a huge Lebron fan as well as Mj. But all the scoring champs had 20 yrs and counting to do it. Doing what if’s only creates another argument but we know what’s up with that.
Lebron is definitely Top3 and arguably the best overall player in the history but MJ still to this day has more individual accolades (not including chips) than Lebron. So most of lebrons wins are attributed to longevity. MJ’s wins are attributed to his dominance. And this can be expounded upon but it’s unnecessary. If you know you know. The debate was who’s #2 til Bron took the title.
MJ-Bron-Kareem
LONGEVITY SHOULDN'T BE A PENALTY LOL IN THE REGULAR WORLD YOU GET PRAISED FOR HIGH QUALITY LONGEVITY
@@Truthtruth144thank you. Discrediting lebron for longevity is a casual narrative that makes no sense
@@Truthtruth144 yea but if you played alot longer than me and have lesss accomplishments are you still better?
If you give me Lebron best Overall , i give you MJ the greatest.
Kobe couldn't be considered #2? Peace and love from the Book Man of QB! Go get'em!!🏃🏃♀️
He doesn't like MJ from the Wizard days 🤡
He never played with MJ on the Wizards thou. So what's your point?
Gil said 2-peat like “repeat” doesn’t exist already 😂
Hahaha not even close. People that argue MJ don’t have to try this hard to explain why MJ is the goat.
They did Mike, but they did Bird the worse. They folded Bird with a close line 🤣
People keep saying that if MJ played for stats, he would have broken Kareem's record. But people forget, that we really didn't think lebron was playing for that scoring record until he was very near it.
In fact anyone who think that he was after Kareem's record would look like a fool since Lebron is a pass first guy
When he was close though, should he have chosen not to score points just to make it look like he wasn't chasing it
Just like last year's scoring title, people keep saying that he was after it so he was stat padding, but the moment that it was clear, they weren't getting in to the play in, he stopped playing.
Yeah man the imbeciles just create rubbish narratives to try and discredit lebron James somehow😂😂they’ve done it his whole career. They’ll find something to say.
That part
Facts mj scoring titles don’t impress me at all 😂
But when you look at it his fga went up drastically in 2022 and this year when he was in striking distance
Yes we did. He joined the lakers and started load managing to extend his career. Everyone has been saying he's stat padding for years and it's true. If you believe he wasn't going for that record I have a bridge in New York to sell you.
LeBron touched Gil on that faithful day he chocked on the free throw line like how Jesus touched his apostles to tell his story and glorify him for the rest of their lives. Now Gil will forever hate previous greats and tell the future generations about that holiness of LeBron.
🤣 I'm a Bullets/Wizards fan. I was salty at that series against the Cavs. But that was funny as hell when Nick Young said LeBron double tapped Gil.
Bruh that was beautiful lol
😂😂😂
LeBron is a pass 1st player that surpassed Jordan career scoring with LESS SHOTS!!! ….and after LeBron passed Kobe in career scoring…. It would take another 2 seasons before he would catch up with the amount/volume of shots that Kobe took to even score the amount that LeBron surpassed. The 3pt % of Jordan verse LeBron is unfair based on the volume of 3pt shots attempted. It’s deeper than 6 Finals-6 Rings.
Ouuu u spitting fire 🔥 cuz 😂💯💪🏾I need more facts about jordan being overrated 😂
Salim Stoudamire was that dude at Arizona… my favorite college hoops scorer ever…
I need to see Gil argue this with Stephen A.
Karl Malone is top 3 where do we put him all time? Westbrook all time triple doubles where do we put him? The GOAT is a combination of all things BUT winning matters bro. I’m tired of people acting like winning doesn’t matter. That’s why they play to WIN. It’s a HUGE part
The only way to knock Jordan off the throne is to change the narrative
U mention 2 ppl who ain’t got a ring
How many of them have rings and final mvps ???? Thought so foh
try again. I would have lebron number 1 if he stayed in cleveland and did it. He had to go to miami to beat boston, then when wade was too injured, went back to cleveland to a young kyrie, then when that was done, went to la to build another team. All that got him 4 rings. mj got 6 with one team who were built. you can say second 3 peat they got rodman and kukoc but they did lose grant
I appreciate Josiah's respect for Kareem! Indeed!
Gill woke up and chose violence 🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯
Thank you for mentioning Salim Stoudemire! In today's game without the injury history he is such a great "what if" story. Was it against Oklahoma state in the elite eight ? Holy sh...
Kareem led the league in scoring twice compared to Jordan's 10 and Kareem only has 2 or 3 finals MVPS compared to Jordan's 6 so Kareem doesn't have the best resume.
Wow a minute in and he already lost me 😂 “f that game” 💀 bruh that’s the problem right there - why is winning the actual basketball game secondary to this generation?
And I agree with you - the notion of "f that game" is ridiculous. No wonder the Lakers have struggled so bad, the team is about one player
Absolute non sense Jordan would’ve never gave a F about stats he lost
Lakers been trash all year that one game not gone change shit lmao
The accomplishment is bigger than the random regular season game it was achieved in.
This generation cares more about highlights, individual stuff, etc while everything else comes second
No LOGICAL, REASONABLE or FACT-BASED argument for LBJ over Jordan.
He just now got to the point we can compare him to Kareem.
At this point LBJ vs MJ speaks more to an generational attitude than truth… there’s no argument, it’s MJ
Exactly 💯
gil was really embracing the no chill on this day 💀🤣 “first of all ya smell like gin”
Jordan played in the 80s, just not in the Finals😂
It’s not that people don’t give Bron his props the media does enough to try and convince us already
That’s facts bro it’s like they forcing it on us but bro bron didn’t need that scoring title to change my mind mj jus did so much in less time
Mj played against who? I’m 48 and I seen how he dominated nobodies.
@@michaelcarlock5817 Those Detroit Pistons weren't nobodies they were stacked.The 92 Blazers were great. Ever heard of Magic Johnson and the Lakers?
Early 90s Knicks led by Riley were great.
Penny and Shaq in 96 followed by Payton, Kemp and co...
I could go on but Ima need you to wake up 1st
Who Bron beat Demar and Lowry Raptors them highly overrated Wizards with Gilbert another Overrated talent I mean bro who did Bron beat before joining the Heat and only team was tough with the Heat was the C’s but they was well over 30 by time they faced off with Bron with Paul as the exception cause they was in the same conference
@@michaelcarlock5817 honestly it dnt make sense comparing eras it ain’t his fault God created him in the 90s we keep saying who Jordan played against but lebron could’ve done wat he did lebron join a big three and was the best team by a lot but then y’all want say or who Jordan played against??!! And jus how lebron get 4 rings so do curry and I am a curry fan but if curry was around with Jordan time curry wasn’t beaten jordan or atleast have the same amount of rings like I say you see wat Jordan do in less time I dnt care who he played against he did it lebron playing in a league now when they dnt play no defense and expect me to think he had it harder??
Yo this is the realist goat conversation I ever heard 😂
I respectfully disagree. Lebron's biggest achievement is longevity in a league with inflated points per game and NBA rules that help players play longer due to lack of physicality like in the 80's and 90's. Lebron is GREAT but there are things out of his control as the NBA rules. But he does have to be held accountable for his NBA performances and record. He has 4 championship but lost way more than he won. The point of playing is to win championships and then individual accolades and individual accolades is subjective to ERA'S. The point is taken about the glorification of the violent fouls. The point is that those rules or plays prevented lots of players from being better in their individual achievements. And STILL JORDAN stood on top. If Jordan was playing Lebron's era he would have destroyed the league.
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You really think your opinion stands next to a great player like arenas lmao gtfoh
Lebron has faced more competition. Spurs team, Celtics team, warriors team.. and there’s way more scoring dominant superstars than in the 90’s. Who was KD like in MJ’s era? Who was curry like ?
Averaged the same amount of points as they did in the 80s. Do some research please.
defense back then has became the most overrated thing in the history of sports. defense in nfl i could agree with the physicality but defense back then there are defenders today with there skill set would lock down so many people
Lebron is the greatest player of all time. The first thing people go to is the 6 chips Jordan got. What they don't address is chips are team accomplishments, not individual accomplishments. As far as career degree of difficulty. Winning a championship for three different franchises is way harder than winning with a team you are very familiarwith. To beat a team with a better record than the 72-10 bulls and win a title. To make 10 finals appearances and holds the all-time scoring record. Yes, Lebron is the G.O.A.T.
MJ took the league to a trillion dollar industry and that makes him the goat. It has nothing to do with skill, rings or none of that.
Agent Zero spitting facts today. My Gawd.
Delusional. My Gawd.
Complete nonsense
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There's a reason why 90% of Earth knows MJ the GOAT by far... MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.
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LeBron being the GOAT is laughable. Does he deserve his flowers for breaking the scoring record? Absolutely. Incredible accomplishment. But Kareem held the record for 40 years. Has more MVPs than LeBron, has more defensive team selections than LeBron, and more championships. And only a small percentage of hardcore NBA fans had Kareem as the GOAT. So how does LeBron who hasn’t accomplished as much as even Kareem, let alone Jordan, and obviously Jordan accomplished more in less time than Bron. How does LeBron having the scoring record make him the GOAT? Doesn’t make sense.
I been saying this. Lebron can only be number 2 at best and he's only number 2 if you put MJ at 3 which is obviously ridiculous.
6-0 is better than 4-6. Easy math! In my Herm voice "HELLO, WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! MJ SHOT 50+% FOR HIS CAREER(1ST), MJ IS 50+% IN CLUTCH MOMENTS(1ST)30+ppg (1st)most blks for SGs, Sold more shoes than anyone😆 and there is more.