What Is Ryobi Edge? New Ryobi High Performance Batteries EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Ryobi just announced Edge, their newest line of high performance tabless batteries. I gathered all of the information, and got my hands on some testing footage of the brand new battery packs to share with you guys here. We'll know more about the High Performance Edge battery packs in the coming months, so stay tuned!
In the meantime, we've left some key points we took from Ryobi's press release in the description below. Don't forget to like this video, and subscribe to Pro Tool Reviews for more tool news, reviews, and head to heads!
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Tabless Cell Advantage: Utilizing upgraded tabless 21700 lithium cells, this all-new ONE+ battery provides more power and longer runtime while running cooler and living longer than other ONE+ batteries in a more compact size. With a re-designed cell structure, tabless cell technology enhances energy transfer efficiency, leading to increased power output and cooler operation in demanding scenarios. This results in extended runtime and an overall longer lifespan for the battery pack. These HIGH PERFORMANCE EDGE batteries will elevate the performance of over 300 cordless products in the RYOBI 18V ONE+ System.
18V ONE+ Compatibility: This all-new battery is forward and backward compatible with all RYOBI 18V ONE+ tools, giving users the Power To Do EVEN More.
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This is why I love Ryobi. They may not be “pro class” tools, but I have +20 year old blue “one kit” tools that I very rarely use, but they aren’t obsolete because of their battery standardization. You feel comfortable investing in a tool even for one job.
That's great insight! If it gets the job done, it gets the job done!
I LOVE their newest brushless handheld vac; easily the most versatile at home & sure it may not have motorized rollers.. But when there's a pack of THREE batteries + charger + bag & the vac is discounted too? No brainer imho lol
I love how Ryobi does this, always keeping true to its customers who have purchased their products and making it so they get battery upgrades and never have to change to a newer system.
Will definitely be interested in seeing these tested by 3rd parties like @TorqueTestChannel measuring power output. Without a connector change, it seems like the main advantage is matching 8/9aH battery output in half the package size/weight. Great to see!
We plan on testing them as soon as we get them in house. We'll let you know what we find!
I'm just trying to figure out how the 4ah edge is beating the 8ah. The 21700 cells must be significantly better to perform better than 2 in parallel.
@@Brandon_Neil I think it's because Ryobi can't really do stacked lithium cells/forge, due to the stem and/or keeping that Milwaukee only. This is probably just them pushing 21700 tech a step up, which was/is overlooked by the other players.
I'm stoned and this is pure speculation lol
I'd like to see _any_ channel put the new 8 and 12Ah batteries up against the 9Ah. This seems like an obvious comparison, yet _nobody_ is doing it. It's like they're afraid the results won't be good and they'll anger Ryobi or something.
@@Brandon_NeilThey're using a different connection system, internally. Instead of the cells being connected by paper thin strips of metal, the "tabless" system is notably thicker and as such, creates less internal resistance in the battery pack.
Wasn't the Makita 40v 4ah BL4040F the first tab-less battery?
Jw, r they only supposed to b making the edges in 4aH batteries or r they also making bigger and smaller sizes?
They haven’t released any details of when these are expected to be for sale yet that I’ve seen
I wonder if there's a way for Ryobi to make the physical size of their batteries just a bit smaller towards the front edge but still fit within all existing tools. And then also release new tools that are a bit smaller on the front edge, but still fit all old and newer, shorter batteries. And then over time, all 18v One+ tools will eventually shift to that shorter, less clown shoe look, while still retaining compatibility. One can dream
What capacities and price? When?
On temu they sell the Ryobi battery adapter $20 to every brand so you can use Ryobi batteries in all your tools !
Why on earth would you want to do that? They're one of the only brands left with the stem sticking out the top which makes them stick much further out the bottom of tools when using an adapter.
When are we getting the new Edge performance batteries?
looks like these edge batteries are still using cylindrical 21700 cells. so they will perform just a bit better than the previous generation high output packs using 21700s. i was considering grabbing another p195 pack, since it is one of my favorites as far as weight vs performance. however, i expect that ryobi will come out with pouch type cell stacked battery packs over the next few years like milwaukee, dewalt, etc.. and i would rather wait and go with these types of packs. they will have a much longer life with their ability to endure over 1000 charge cycles. and they will have better output, and faster charging.
More power will be useful for the 40 V line my leaf blower sucks power down like it needs more power however I would like to see a overall runtime increase more than more power instead of a 12 amp hour battery being the maximum you need to come out with something much bigger like a 20 amp hour battery if the cells are smaller and lighter you should easily be able to accomplish this I have so many of the old blue Wyomi tools and so many of the yellow that when it comes to 18 V I have just over 300 although the 40 V tools I only have the yellow ones but I’ve always wanted you to come out with a powerful vacuum that works with the 40 Volt batteries now maybe you can this was a great video thank you very much
Thanks for watching!
The cells aren't smaller/lighter. They're the same 21700 cells being used in many other batteries. They're actually larger/heavier that the 18650 cells in your 40v batteries.
Also, Ryobi doesn't make yellow tools. They're green. You suffer from a partial color blindness, that is somewhat common in men.
@@TheCharleseye
Ryobi "Hyper green" is actually almost exactly in between yellow and green on the colour wheel, maybe even a little closer to yellow. So it's totally reasonable to call it yellow, or fluoro yellow. If you pull out a "yellow"highlighter pen you'll see it's basically the same colour.
Whether you call it yellow or green has more to do with the background and lighting conditions. It's called green because that's what Ryobi has decided. But you can't say it's the same colour as a hikoki.
@@vijilant "almost, basically, maybe." It's called green because it's green. A yellow highlighter is more yellow than Ryobi green. Why? Because it's yellow. This isn't the big deal you're making it. A lot of men have a very hard time distinguishing certain shades of green from yellow. I assume you fall into that category, as well. It's not a big deal and it's not really worth arguing over.
@@TheCharleseye Then why did you bother to point it out in the first place? Take a pill.
be interesting to see how this does with their One+ mowers.... ya know
Why? You're much better off with the higher capacity batteries for something like that.
I’m hoping Ridgid releases stacked lithium batteries soon.
That's not out of the realm of possibility! We'll keep our eyes peeled for it.
@@Protoolreviews Since Milwaukee released the forge battery this year, most people think that Ridgid will have stacked lithium by the end of this year or next year.
And ryobi too
@@bobbystewart2605 hopefully all of the brands will catch up with the times.
Should of just made it stacked lithium
Yeah bro hard
Stacked lithium definitely is the superior battery format, but that would likely push the price point much higher than what a manufacturer like Ryobi is trying to target.
Pouch cell technology is an older technology it’s just new to the power tool industry and reformatted into stacked lithium. Tabless cell batteries are a newer technology designed for the automotive industry and has better heat management with a higher discharge rate. There’s a reason why Milwaukee went with tabless cell batteries in their new MX fuel batteries and their new M18 12.0 that’s releasing later this year.
I honestly don’t trust results like that. If you watch the chainsaw test with the standard 4ah battery, he’s barely rocking the saw. Test like these could be manipulated through the user. When these batteries get hooked up and put under load and we can monitor the discharge rate in voltage drop and compare that to the other batteries, then we’ll have a better idea of its true performance.
Correct standing closer to the log and farther from putting different amount of pressure against different density parts of the tree blades can get dull can pinch blade or go on a angle
I don’t see this on their website
The problem with this is I own so many hp batteries and with this new battery I wanna purchase it amd if I'm more satisfied with it than the older version then what am I gonna do with my old batteries
You could resell 'em on Ebay if you really wanted to, but hey, can never have enough batteries, am I right? 🤣
@Protoolreviews true but It's crazy when you love tools and when something new is out like more power more more more it attracts you.
This is why i'm stuck with over a dozen dewalt XR batteries. Love the power stacks. Slowly replaced them all. Now i've got all these xr batteries nearly new, going to waste.
@@ProToolsApprovednot quite going to waste, can never have too many batteries. Once they go out then ig u can recycle it but might as well keep them ones u have.
This isn't a problem. Batteries wear out through charge/discharge cycles. The more batteries you have, the more work you can do with fewer cycles on the batteries. If you see batteries you want and you can afford them, get them.
At last count, I have 27 Ryobi batteries. This includes two of the elusive 3Ah and four of the 9Ah...and pretty much everything in between. I have so many Ryobi batteries that I started buying connector plates and doing things like building charger boxes for camping trips, and wiring up my Green Mountain tailgate grill to run off of Ryobi batteries (that setup turns some heads).
More batteries is never a problem. The problem is when you're in the middle of a job/project, and have to stop to wait for a battery to charge. I can't remember the last time that happened to me.
So they killed the P195 and brought it back years later when 21700s are somewhat old hat and we're supposed to be impressed?
I'll be interested to see how this does against the P195. I have two of them and they're great, little batteries. This Edge series is supposed to be even better, in that they use thicker connectors between the cells, for less internal resistance in the pack (more output, less heat). Plus, these look to be running two rows of cells instead of one, which means up to twice the amps of the P195.
Honestly, I don't really care that 21700 cells aren't novel any more. All I care about is bang for the buck. I have four P194s that I got when they were doing the 2-for-1 deal at Home Depot. Those are running 18650 cells but there are three rows of them at 30A/row. At $100 a piece for 9Ah batteries - that blow the doors off every other battery in the lineup - I'm good with the purchase.
Well I bought all dewalt XR sooooo
This should of been what the hp batteries were from the boot. There should of never been 18500 hp batteries. The old 3ah was a 21700, this should of been the same or they should of kept the 3ah until they could produce this. The 8 and 12ah should also of been on this tabless architecture, but im sure we will see an 8 and 12ah edge refresh by the end of 2024 calendar year, with a price jump
Meh, no. Most people buy Ryobi because it costs less and accept less performance than contractor grade tools. They aren't so much looking to spend more, still to end up with less performance than contractor grade tools.
So this BATTERY is STACKED LITHIUM just like the FORGE
No.
This battery is built on 21700 tabless cells
Oh thanks Ryobi. I went from 0 power tools to like $10k worth of Ryobi tools I don't need last year and now they come out with a way better battery??? Also, has anyone else never seen the 8aH battery cuz I'm really confused....
I have two of the 8ah. Like them, only thing is, one of them got water in it recently and now it’s dead. Trying to figure out how to warranty it.
@turbot_ Look on the bright side-it should make at least some your tools even better! 😀
@bobbystewart2605 Ah I only have 1.5/2/4/6. I've seen different sizes from Europe when I watch channels based there. Confirmed HD has 8ah but 6 seem to be enough for my uses (vacuum).
@@turbot_ah, ok. And I mostly got the 8 for the vacuum (pet stick vac) and the chainsaws I have
New batteries don't diminish your old ones. Those still work fine. If you want the new hotness, get it. Your old ones will _still_ work just as well tomorrow as they did yesterday. I have 27 Ryobi batteries, from 1.5 to 9Ah (I haven't hit the button on the new 8 or 12Ah...yet). The lower output batteries get used on lower draw tools. The higher output batteries get used on higher draw tools. No biggie. If you've got $10k worth of Ryobi tools, you have plenty of reasons to get a higher performance battery and still find uses for all the others.
Meh, no. If I want ultimate performance then I'm buying contractor grade tools, not spending a lot more for Ryobi's special batteries to use on homeower grade tools. The thing I like about Ryobi is how inexpensive their regular (non-special, lol) batteries are. I have several of their tools and batteries and no desire to pay a premium for batteries.
So the battery is not sold on the market yet and no consumers have tried it in real world tests ...ok.
We plan on testing it as soon as we can get our hands on it, but yes, still waiting for it to hit shelves.
they are trying to blur the line between Ridgid and Ryobi. TTi is probably the only company I know that emphasizes battery boosting, which it's a pretty dick move when I think about it.
Yeah, right. Dewalt totally doesn't have a Powerstack line _and_ a FlexVolt line, right? They definitely don't advertise both as offering more performance than their XR line, right? GTFOH.
@@TheCharleseyeyou kinda missed the point. Dewalt and Flex can do fine even with regular batteries. My issue with TTi is that it relies heavily on high performance batteries to see a noticeable boost. Once it gets down to 2 bars, the tool starts to switch to low gears just to prevent the tool or battery from overheating
@@ProxyFinal Which vague "TTI tool" are you referencing?
@@TheCharleseye Milwaukee and Ryobi
@@ProxyFinal Not Ridgid or Hart? Weird. So, are you making a blanket statement about every Ryobi and Milwaukee tool, or did you have any actual examples?
Up until about 2018 Ryobi batteries were really good they held a great charge then the quality and durability diminished considerably and now they're introducing these edge batteries which is basically bringing them back up to the same battery they had before 2018 it's all a big scam
If you think the old P108 batteries come anywhere close to what 21700 cells can deliver, I've got a bridge to sell you. When the P195 (3Ah 21700 cell) came out, it blew the doors off every other battery in Ryobi's entire history, _except_ the P194 (9Ah 18650 cell). It did so with a single row of 21700 cells. The only reason it couldn't match the P194 in performance was because that had _three rows_ of cells, which just created a ton of output for what it was.
You're right that Ryobi changed to cheaper cells in or around 2019 but the HP (Gen 1 & 2) batteries have long since returned to quality cells, as well as improving power output. These new Edge packs are looking to improve on batteries that already embarrass the old P108, P192, etc.
I am done with Ryobi tools, tools were good for the price but they pissed me off,3 out of 4 4amp hour battery s bought brand new would not charge. I went to Bauer and Hercules tools and giving Ryobi away as i replace them, I really got sick of green tools anyway.and Ryobi got too expensive for me, might as well buy DeWalt , Way better tools,..Me I like my Harbor freight tools, I can walk in with out a receipt and get my money back or another tool, I don't like kissing peoples ass trying to get home Depot to stand behind what they sold me, if you want treated right go to Harbor freight just give them your cell phone number and they keep track of your purchases no paper receipts needed!
When some government institutes a standard conection then I will care
Never will happen
@@james2042 probably not but hope springs eternal
@2fuzy why would you want that anyways? The competition between brands is what drives the progress forward. If a gov stepped in and demanded all tools use x connector then most the tool brands would likely just stop selling in that country.
@@james2042 for the same reason a 10mm bolt has a 1.5 or1.25 thread pitch
However lets take your competition drives innovation point
For most of my life you could buy a truck be it a peterbilt or a freightliner with whatever engine or transmission you chose in the last 10 years they have been moving to proprietary pieces and software and that has not lead to better products it has led to more captive customers and worse products and service
I am also just sick of the fact that I have 5 different chargers and batteries going on my tool box at any given time for what are basically the same batteries surround by different plastic
@2fuzy and the reason for this software is government regulations on emissions. High efficiency electronic controls and emissions treatments aren't going to be off the shelf mechanical parts.
Thats why I just have ryobi stuff because they have a tool for everything that share batteries. Drill to self propelled lawnmower to stick vacuum to car battery jumper, all on one battery. There's nothing stopping kobalt from making a car battery jumper or stopping milwaukee from making a stick vac or flex from making a push mower. Makita is another one that makes all sorts of odds and end tools on their platforms like the coffee maker and kettle.
These brands have to be motivated to capture you as a customer. Or you could have a wall of chargers for 8 different brands because you only buy good tools or good deals, and that's also your prerogative as a consumer. The choice is yours and that's the beautiful thing
Wtf terrible testing. Doesnt prove anything that you cut something 0,5second (half a second is well within margin for error in test
Still... you show up on my site wielding Ryobi, I won't take you seriously, no-one will.
Sounds like a you problem
Nonsense. I worked as a contractor back in the day, sporting a 7.2V Craftsman drill made by TTI. What did people think? It annoyed them that they paid over twice as much for their Makitas with nothing to show for it except a blow molded case.
Как дуракам продать тот же товар по новой цене!? )) Кто-нибудь разбирал уже новую/старую сравнивал? Замерял? Все эти тесты с секундами - это измерение в попугаях. Какая разница на сколько секунд быстрее сверлится отверстие если батарея будет ограничена в ресурсе использования на 50%...