Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Milwaukee XC: amzn.to/3Ij3Hxz Milwaukee High Output CP: amzn.to/3Q92lau Ridgid Max Output: amzn.to/3IfjFJb Ridgid: amzn.to/3ChGyb9 Ryobi High Performance: amzn.to/3WI3Xug Ryobi One+: amzn.to/3IiPWik Knockoff Milwaukee 9AH: amzn.to/3Q6SxxT Milwaukee 8 AH: amzn.to/3VH74l4 Kobalt Extended Run: amzn.to/3GaRSqC Kobalt Ultimate Output: Available at Lowes
Indeed, I'm in the UK to often a fair few of the tools featured aren't available over here. But I still find myself interested and watching this channel! (Joking aside, I think this says it all about the quality of this channel). Keep up the good work!
I really appreciate how concise you keep the presentations and the charts/graphs at the end of each testing group. It makes your channel one of the top ones I use when examining any product you have covered. Yours is so much better than those other channels where the person is in love with just hearing themselves talk without anything worthwhile. Keep up the excellent work.
Agreed...too many RUclipsrs are Narcissists who only wanna hear their own voice....and it can take you 4/5 minutes to get to the Content and by that time, they have lost me. PF gets it all right!
Yeah that Ryobi chainsaw isn't an "HP" chainsaw. I don't think it takes advantage of the better batteries. With Rigid, all the Octane stuff was discontinued and I think the "Max Output" batteries should work with all the newer brushless tools.
Yes and also along with all the other batteries certain tools take advantage of the high output just as Milwaukee for example if he would have tested it with an impact driver the high output would have blew away the regular batteries but no channels perfect
@@slylockfox85 Yea, which is messed up, because Torque Test confirmed the circuits worked very well in the Octane tools... But maybe TTI was trying to get away from "fuel" and "octane" naming scheme. It makes me wonder if the Max Output stuff is the same as Octane.
I watch a lot of youtube videos week to week, but the absolute highlight every time is when I see the latest project farm video show up every Sunday. I'm not even entirely sure why I enjoy this channel so much...I think it's just Todd. Thanks for the videos Todd. Wishing you a happy and productive New year.
You've probably been suggested this before, but a good cheap yet useful video idea would be to test waterproofing sprays. I need some and feel blind when I don't have a Project Farm video to guide me! Best waterproofing spray, whether for boots or tarps or just overall any fabric would be great!
I was just about to comment about this when I saw your comment! Some specific brands for me would be Revivex, Nikwax, Kiwi, Scotch and Grangers. It would also be nice to see the spray on ones compared to wash in DWR for comparison. Hopefully we'll see a video on this in the future.
You sir will forever be a RUclips genius! I love all the handy stuff you come up with for testing! I bet you’d be fun to sit around and brainstorm with. Keep the kick ass videos coming!
@@ProjectFarm anytime sir! Anytime I’m about to make a purchase i come right to your page and make sure to check and see if you did a video about it first! Your videos have helped me purchase several things!
@@theSkavenger84 You bet your ass I do exactly the same thing. I don't make any Big Tool purchase without referring back to Todd and project Farm. He has saved me hundreds and hundreds of dollars on not buying sh!tty tools.
This was a very valuable comparison. Especially the Milwaukee vs the Knock-off batteries, since most of my tools are Milwaukee. Thanks PF! You're the best!
I bought the same exact knock offs and was trying to compare over here with much simpler tests and it was vague - seemed like the 8amp knock offs were equal to the 6 amp M's (at 1/2 the price) . . . project farm is the best
@@zanderday4466 I never bought the knock-offs but I have a friend who did. He said their performance seem to equal to the lower rated Milwaukee. The 6.0 knock-offs were about = to a 3.0 Milwaukee.
Another great video. One thing I've found with the High Output Batteries, how well they perform can be based on what tool they're put in. If I have to drive a lot of long ledger locks, you can bet I'm putting a High Output Battery in my Milwaukee impact. A standard 5.0 might get it 95% of the way into the wood, but when you need a flush-set surface, the 6.0 High Output is able to put down the last inch reliably. Where as if I'm using my blower, the only real benefit I might see, is a slightly longer run time. All in all, it is really nice to have them when you need them, hot summers in particular are a pain when it comes to long periods of drilling. To me it seems like the HOBs keep the drill from burning up under heavy load in hot conditions.
Motors can only draw so many amps, a battery that can supply more amps than the motor can use means the motor will not perform any better. This is why its very tool specific. Also many high discharge rate high amp batteries (im talking single cells from the manufacturers) give up capacity to be able to discharge faster (though this is being improved quickly which is nice) So yeah, unless you have the right tool, the only benefit will be how it performs in the cold.
I can only speak for the Ryobi ones, not for the rest, but on the Ryobi tools, you do have additional terminals on the battery socket that either communicates or consumes the additional power from the HD batteries. That's why also the HD batteries should have this additional contact pad on them. Not sure if either of the tools used here are using it
Hey project farm! I love the critical data analysis you do on all your videos, and would love to see you review air purifiers in the future! Thanks again for all the effort you put into your vids.
@@ProjectFarm would also love to see an air purifier video, specifically the Govee air purifiers since i have one. i don’t know if it’s doing anything 😂
Yet another excellent product testing video PF! It always amazes me at how much time & effort you put into making these videos. Thanks & keep up the great work! 👍👍
I think others have mentioned it already, but the Milwaukee XC or High Output batteries only make a difference in the tools that can leverage them, they are usually the "Fuel" branded ones.
High output batteries or 21700 cells offer more amp discharge due to larger cells. These batteries with higher amp current are ideal for power tools that regular 18650 cells just can't fully satisfy. Things like chain saws, circular saws, impact wrenches, high powered drills. They will not make any difference in tools where the tool has already peaked in its possible power output with lower amp current batteries. Things like Vacuums, lights, and other light duty tools. Ryobi high output battery ran 18650 cells so my guess is it's some kind of scam on their part, although they do have additional leads so maybe it helps a tiny bit in tools that can take advantage of those, I don't know, most of my stuff is Milwaukee and DeWalt. But with Ridgid saw we clearly saw it made a decent difference. Also, in my Milwaukee fuel table saw and 10" miter saw, I can easily tell difference in power when I put in a regular battery. Current draw is so huge on those tools that if you try to use them extensively with regular battery, a battery protection will kick in and cut power to save battery. I'm not electric so it's just theory, but I think it's due to current draw exceeding what battery can provide and it starts to overheat with a lot of use.
From experience with the HO Milwaukee and the HP Ryobi, they last a little longer but that’s not the reason to buy. In the correct tools they have a fair bit more power (no difference in blower or chainsaw). My tests were with the Ryobi brushless 7 1/4” circular saw and the Milwaukee Fuel 6 1/2” circular saw. The rpm increase and power bump are noticeable in both applications with the HP and HO batteries. My M18 fuel hammer drill also gets more rpm for longer on a 8ah HO than a 5ah XC-same with the fuel 4 1/2” angle grinder. Love your videos!
Thanks for another great video PF. I can't tell you how gratifying it is to see someone put thought into applying ways to eliminate variables and potential bias from testing. Keep up the good work!
I would love to see you do coolers! Maybe include tests about shade vs no shade, drain the water vs don't, frozen water bottles vs ice. Ice packs vs regular ice. And, of course, different brands. There are lots of good American made options. Thanks!
I buy RTIC an blue cooler ice chestsvroto mould and best value free shipping an beats that expensive one from ace hardware I think it's darn can't remember name , at 66 yrs old , it's not igloo but. ohh yes Yeti, the soft side insulated RTIC travel cooler doesn't preform well at all
About halfway through the video, I was starting to agree with your final assessment that the high output batteries are more suitable for the cold. So that’s a good data point for me. Thank you for taking time to do this test.
Those high performance batteries are made for tools that take advantage of them. For Ryobi for example it has to say "One+HP" which none of the tested tools did. Would have been interesting to see how much the batteries would have made a difference if tested in tools designed for them. I think on those tools the voltage doubles using the pins that you can see at 0:37.
Thanks for all that you do, the videos you make are amazing and save money/ improve the lives of people who make a living with tools. Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated.
Great video as always. One advantage of the High Output Milwaukee is weight reduction. Fewer cells makes for a smaller and lighter package. Great for lower torque/less current hungry tools like 1/4” impact drivers.
Ryobi HP batteries have 2 additional contacts at the base of the stem which take advantage of certain types of Ryobi tools, mostly Ryobi HP brushless branded tools.
2:00 does anyone else have immense anxiety at see the free floating chainsaw with his hand to catch it? You’re really smart and I’m a dummy who owns few tools and does very little manual labor. I hope you did this safely or will in the future. I might trust myself to do something like that but, like I said, I’m a dummy. We need you to keep producing this awesome content. Don’t want to lose you to an injury. God bless you. Happy New Year.
Would love to see you test levels Could do 2’ and 4’ levels. Could Test for accuracy, durability, magnetic strength, weight, etc Absolutely love the reviews! Most of my purchases are decided in these reviews. Keep up the great work!
I see a lot of comments on here about not testing HP tools with the HP batteries or not using impact guns for torque testing or so on. However I still found the test useful as it served to see what sort of impact high performance batteries have on tools that don’t necessarily use them. Great work and awesome video.
Another excellent video. So on the Milwaukee knock off, you get almost the same performance at regular temps (99%-100%) and about 75% the use per charge. However, it only costs 20% of the Milwaukee brand. That’s certainly math to consider! Thanks again for all these videos
Dont do it. There is a reason you pay what you do. Much better materials that last longer. It matters in a crunch or repetion of charging and lackluster performance.
Motorcycling season will soon be upon us. Could you and Cousin Eddy test some helmets, full-face and open-face, with and without communication capabilities, drop test, abrasion resistance, impact resistance (like getting hit with a small stone), and all the goodies you can dream up? That would be awesome. We love all you do, even if we have no need for the product. Thanks Todd.
I don't even know that motorcycling has season. We ride all the time from blazing summer sun to highest flood in monsoon. But i will definitely watch this for PA. Same helmet, same series, same brand, different type (full/half) and test in Project Farm's style
@@kesaranpasaran2630 … that’s because we are in Arizona where we have 365.25 days a year of outdoor activities. If 117 degrees is too hot, go to the next county and enjoy the 30 degrees cooler weather in as little as 2 hour ride.
@@kesaranpasaran2630 I have a home in Bellefonte, PA right in the middle of PA. I also live in Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada. There, it's either motorcycling weather or snowmobiling weather. I suppose I could put snow chains on my motorcycle. And maybe some Biden-inspired outriggers so I don't fall over. You are invited to come up in a month or so and go motorcycle riding with me. Wear Long Johns. Let's go out to Peggy's Cove. Cool ride! Thanks for the reply.
This will probably be one of your most important videos. Most people aren't leaving their tool family because batteries are so expensive, but buying better batteries is something a lot of people will be interested in.
This PF video shows exactly what I expected. Nice to have it proven--again by Project Farm. This could be among the most valuable channels I watch regularly. I buy nothing without checking out PF to see if they have a review. The most honest testing available to the public, and I truly appreciate them.
But do you buy things you don't need, like air speed velocity meters, and tachometers, and air particle measurement meters?? LOL. I think a couple of us go that far....
GREAT VIDEO AND TESTING .. MY SON MAX 7YR.S OLD AND I LEARN ALOT ON YOUR VIDEO''S AND WHAT TO BUY.. YOUR SPEED TALK,, GETS THE VIDEO GOING AND YOU KNOW MORE TESTING ITEMS .. THANK''S..
Good stuff as always. I have seen some other tests where certain tools benefit from a better battery. It wasn't a massive difference but probably enough to notice. I have a bunch of ryobi tools so I just got their special buy two pack of 4amp high output for $99. I couldn't resist since they are normally $110 each.
No point of that test. Read reviews, aftermarket batteries are pure junk. On other hand my first Makita 18V I bought in 2006 would simply kill any new high output new batteries. And those were just 3Ah.
Dude I just watched a video you did on hose clamps lmao. You test anything, this had become my favorite youtube channel. Retest low end knives and various AA & AAA batteries. I like that you state facts with no extra crap, straight to the point.
Hey! Absolutely love your content. Looks forward to it every week. Just have a future suggestion. Test out some of the high weight gear oils. I'd love to know how Mobile One, Valvoline, Amsoil, and even Motorcraft stack up! Could be interesting to test the high weight oils vs conventional
I love the channel! I think your tests did a great job showing that (for packs with the same capacity) "high output" really doesn't mean much under normal use (The total watt hours are the same). However, I feel there was a missed opportunity here. Both the Milwaukee and the Kobalt uses the larger 21700 cells in their 'upgraded' packs. Which to me directly implies they wanted the upgrade to provide better *peak current* output. But the both the blower & vacuum would have a cap on current draw to prevent damage to the fans. The chainsaw could peak more, but I suspect that since the motor drives a chain, they too have artificial current limits to ensure safety if extreme torque is applied to the chain. Only the circular saw (conceptually) seems like it would be able to continually draw more and more (since the motor is directly coupled to the blade and transferring it's torque directly to the wood). ---- I would love to know how much the better the 'upgraded' batteries are at handling 'extremes' where the torque (and current) are much higher than normal. ---- I think running each pair on a circular saw as it tries to cut increasingly tough material would show if the 'upgraded battery' is a cash grab or an actual benefit for the few who are the most demanding of their tools. That said I am no expert on the EE behind power tools. Perhaps every tool has an artificial current cap set well below what the normal battery could provide, which is entirely possible. In which case the upgraded battery of the same capacity is totally a cash grab (aside from some limited cold weather benefits). So I feel like that was a missed opportunity, but no hard criticism here... Your video still does an excellent job showing their behavior the way most people would use it. I love your work Todd! Thanks for putting these videos out there.
The timing for this video is spot on as I was just looking at these batteries the other day in the store, and wondering if the price difference was really worth it. Thanks for doing some testing so we can make informed purchases!
It largely depends on what you will use them for and what brand. Milwaukee: the HO batteries make more power in their impact tools and drills. TorqueTestChannel showed how the CP3.0 HO battery in an impact wrench made the same torque as the XC5.0 battery. It obviously didn't last as long, but it made the same power with a *lighter and smaller* battery pack. The XC6.0 HO battery was more powerful than the regular xc6.0 battery.
ryobi fanboy here. The Ryobi 1+ HP batteries make a huge difference in the high end HP tools. Especially in the Brushless models. They have an additional contact on the base of the battery, just at the beginning of the stem. My angle grinder often stalls using a regular battery, never with the HP battery. I would loved to have seen a comparison of a Fake Ryobi battery. But I can't assume it would be the same as the Fake Mil. Awesome testing. Thanks Todd.
@@promo130 Hate to burst your tool snob bubble but you do realize Ryobi is owned by TTI, the same company that makes Milwaukee… and some of their brushless tools have tested quite favorably. Not everybody cares what color the case is, as long as it works. I have their high torque impact doing commercial trailer service and rebuilds and it just flat out works, even being abused. Has rarely ever failed to get a rusted lug nut off. And if it did, it took a 1” air impact to do it. Ditto the Ryobi grease gun, just flat out works. And in case you missed it ih the video…Todd KEPT the vacuum.
@@SoManyDogs 😂😂 clown, ryobi even stated themself , if you use it professional you will void the warranty😂😂😂 call that high end Read the box einstein Ryobi is for diy Not pro’s
@@SoManyDogs #1 Ryobi is not owned by TTI. #2 TTI makes tools for several market tiers, ryobi is one of the lower end ones. Just like S, B&D makes dewalt.
Thorough testing as usual! Surprised the results were so close... But in a heavy load application I'd want my battery to run as cool as possible for longevity, so the high performance packs are all ahead there.
Thank you so much for these tests. I like that you put a lot of thought into the tests and go through an explanation. Way more than just giving a statistic.
Hey Todd, love your channel. Could you add parallel clamps and bar clamps (probably separate) to your long list of things to test? I think a lot of woodworkers would appreciate it greatly. It's hard to tell sometimes whether to pay a premium or if middle of the road is adequate. Thanks!
From personal experience, cheaper versions are decently accurate, what you gain with "Pro" brands, is repeatability(subjective because of operator ofc), better quality, specially in frame, rigidity of frame, smoother feel, being more dust and coolant resistant, etc. Some models you'll gain extra decimal point on read out for what's that worth. After having multiple brands and versions, my personal preference are the coolant proof Mitutoyo's, I've had Brown & Sharp, Starrett, Fowler, and etc other brands, and none are as nice as genuine Mitutoyo's(there are plenty of knockoff, specially of non coolant proof ones).
@@dfsmachinist5941 - I'd heard that knockoff Mitutoyo calipers hold battery charge around for a month, in compare to a genuine with over a year battery lifespan. Didn't buy it yet.
Because of your honest reviews I was able to buy the best car jumper ever. It has saved me and my friends many times. Occasionally some extrangers as well. Happy to see people doing all this work to help people like me that can't afford to spend Money on garbage. Thank you so much Sr.
I love his reviews too but unfortunately, and it happens to everyone he missed the mark on this one. Don’t feel bad about buying the HP batteries they were a good investment. Certain tools are designed to take advantage of that HP architecture and extra power and other tools are not capable of drawing that extra power. Your HP Ryobi tools should be paired with your Ryobi HP batteries. I run Milwaukee tools and you won’t see much of a difference if any at all, on things like vacuums but impacts, drills, saws, etc you will. but more so with Ryobi tools there’s actually an extra contact on the Ryobi HP tools just for the HP batteries.
Hey fyi I've watched your channel for a long time. You're one of the last channels that I look forward to videos from. Everyone else has watered down their videos, or gone super fancy with big productions and such. You've stayed true to your original format which I at least appreciate. Thank you for the fantastic content.
@@ProjectFarm I hope you still have some fun making these. Other channels are all burnt out or they've sunk millions into a production facility, yada yada, and are in debt up to their eyeballs. Don't go that route :)
I think the Max output batteries will become the new entry level behind Stacked batteries. Would love to see the MO vs the Stacked, I know you lose Amp hours but the power they are showing coming out of the Flex tools is pretty insane.
Torque test channel did many tests and showed how good higher capacity and high performance batteries do in comparison to regular versions. I def wish Harbor freight made a series for their Bauer like they do for the Hercules line, but it seems like they're tryna further differemtiate the two brands by giving Hercules all the premium features
@@codygooch510 The Baur motors don't stand up to pro use and will smoke out on you. Similar to masterforce tools from Menards. I have a masterforce 7inch grinder and have cut lots of concrete with it but you have to be careful to not overload the motor or you can smell it. By babying it a little I've kept it alive so far but not on the quality level of major brands.
Todd, Hello from Delaware! I’ve been watching you since your first video 5 years ago religiously and I look forward to your weekly video more than I did “The Office” with Steve Carrell. This is easily the most valuable channel on RUclips in my opinion and you should consider mirroring all of these videos over to the Rumble platform as well to pick up that audience. You are great!
It's interesting how the higher outputs often draw the amps down quicker even if it started with a higher capacity. Good application of algebra lol Also quick note, I love your multiple trails of the same tests. I can see how it'd be hard to present that without putting people to sleep but you might have figured it out 🤠
Motors can only draw so many amps, a battery that can supply more amps than the motor can use means the motor will not perform any better. This is why its very tool specific. Also many high discharge rate high amp batteries (im talking single cells from the manufacturers) give up capacity to be able to discharge faster (though this is being improved quickly which is nice) So yeah, unless you have the right tool, the only benefit will be how it performs in the cold.
You would enjoy the Torque Test channel along with Todd and PF. TT really plays with batteries and beans as well. I enjoy these channels and in Todd I trust. 🇺🇸👍🏻💪😎
Hey Todd, awesome video as always. I've been watching since you started, and finally have a few suggestions! I wonder if you could bust some "building envelope" myths. Maybe test different brands building paper/tar paper. Do they really allow moisture out? How tough are they when left on walls for long periods of time? I have just always wanted to get to the bottom of this one. Insulation would be a good one to test too, sprayfoam vs roxul vs fibreglass vs styrofoam etc... Did you test Oscillating Multitool blades? I forget. I swear, they're all trash, but maybe I'm using the wrong ones! Re: other user comment about doing coolers. Try the canyon cooler! They claim it's better than a yeti and cheaper. you should test that. A few other more popular ones make similar claims. What makes Yeti's so expensive? Are they worth it? Ever think of testing other auto parts? It would be cool to see house brands vs name brands for things like brakes and ball joints. With all the new online parts dealers, it's so hard to know if I should spring for the good ones or stick with the cheapo's. Thanks for all your hard work. We're all better off for it
Just started this video but something that comes to mind is a REALLY good channel that compares tools and batteries in the process is torque test channel. Those guys do a great job. They even do flashlights and some other non torque things.
Impressive! Seeing these stats shows how well the standard batteries are vs the high output batteries, not very worth it unless like you said, the cold temp. Just gonna stick to the normal ones then on most occasions. You should try the HP vs normal of some of the ryobi tools though and see the differences, and also try the high preformance 4ah batteries vs the 9ah batteries and see how much more the 9ah improves speed, endurance, and power.
As far as performance goes, here are your answers: The 9Ah is superior across the board. The closest you can get to it is the 6Ah HP and it's not that close. The 3Ah HP Compact and higher batteries will spank any of the standard batteries when used in brushless tools with the extra contact points. The 3Ah compact runs 21700 cells instead of 18650, so it has a lot of power for its size (it's actually a touch more powerful than the 4Ah HP). The 1.5 and 2Ah HP batteries will beat the 1.5 and 2Ah standard batteries and will nearly compete with the 4Ah standard batteries.
Great review! Thank you again, Todd, for such an amazing and applicable review. I still can't wait for the round 2 of ratchet comparisons. I put ratchet purchases on hold until your review comes out. Hope it is soon! Haha.
I know channels like TorqueTestChannel have shown that high output batteries can increase performance on some high torque impact guns. So in really high amp draw situations like with high torques or grinders it might matter more. But I also think it has a lot to do with whether the pack is using 18650s or 21700s, the latter being able to supply more amps. Would have been interesting to see full size chainsaws cutting 12in of hardwood. Would put a much bigger load on the saw and maybe they would take advantage of high output batteries.
Motors can only draw so many amps, a battery that can supply more amps than the motor can use means the motor will not perform any better. This is why its very tool specific. Also many high discharge rate high amp batteries (im talking single cells from the manufacturers) give up capacity to be able to discharge faster (though this is being improved quickly which is nice) So yeah, unless you have the right tool, the only benefit will be how it performs in the cold.
@@alexdrockhound9497 The HP batteries have extra contacts that match extra contacts on the HP line of tools. When the battery senses these contacts on the tool it will allow more amps to the tool via the main contacts.(the extra contacts are only to sense the tool type and not conduct power) The non-hp tools don't have these so the battery will not output more amps because their motors and wires can't handle the extra amps. HP tools can pull more amps than non HP but only with a supporting battery.
You are my new Consumer Reports. They used to test things, now not so much. Your testing is excellent, and we get to see you run the tests as well. Excellent content all around.
I use milwaukee m12 and m18 tools for work and in my opinion the high output batteries make more of a difference in the m12 tools. However with both m12 and m18 the high output batteries can often make the tool remove bolts the standard ones cannot. Your videos are always awesome and I don't think your tests are flawed but I do think that these tests don't tell the whole story. When a high output battery is the difference between getting a job done or not, they are well worth the extra cost for me.
The Milwaukee you have to use a tool that can take advantage of the HD circuit.. The batteries are definitely worth it in that case, you can night and day hear and see the difference if you use it in Milwaukee impacts, especially the larger 1/2 and 3/8 impacts.
I can only speak on the dewalt power stack batteries (their HO version) they do work and give a better discharge rate however, they are proud of em because the price hurts...
This has been really educational and will save me lots of money with my future decisions, I appreciate your accuracy and complete honesty with your tests/reviews
LiPo HV has similar benefits in hobby-grade R/C cars and other vehicles. Cool it's in the mainstream now! (I am guessing that's what this is...they just charge to 4.35v instead of like 4.20v)
Interesting results. 💥What if you used those battery adapter devices for each brand of battery, and then connect the output wires to to a common load (like a higher draw device like a saw). This type of test would put all batteries 🔋 on the same playing field being compared with each other. BUT I guess the other factor to consider is the advertised amp hour of one battery compared to a slightly different amp hour battery. It would be a telling comparison of just how similar batteries compare to each brand. By the way, the name Ryobi is actually pronounced, Ree-o-be. I discovered this on the company website years ago when they first came out.
I own Milwaukee tools and there’s definitely a difference the high amp/hour you go. You can hear the speed of any tool increase substantially if you pop in say a 8.0 vs a 5.0
I really appreciate your dedication. I always come to your channel when need information about something. I have one critique, I would use Kobalt xtr tools, Ryobi hp tools etc... for the demonstration. But great job!
You should redo this test and use the batteries on tools that can take advantage of the extra juice the High output batteries can provide. (Context, i can tell a huge difference when using my circular saw/coorless vaccum with a high output vs a regular battery.)
This a great analysis of the batteries and good real world test. I have genuine dewalt batteries and a handful of knockoffs. The knockoffs don't perform the same, but they are so much cheaper that there are definite real world scenarios for having some on hand. Like a flashlight or orbital sander (doesn't take as much draw). Thanks for the testing!
Very interesting to see the differences in power and power draw in different temp settings as well. I love your videos, at this point in time you have tested so many things that every time I am looking for reviews for something from DIY to pro tool needs, you have a video for it and I will not chose a product without your testing and input. A big thank you for what you do!
I LOVE YOUR CONTENT!! If you saw my tools you would know I value your testing You're slipping lately though, no Blendtec in the blender review and now testing the HP batteries with non HP tools. They are intended for HP tools that allow for higher amp discharging. This entire video was like putting Formula One tires on your Prius and then concluding they aren't as good as standard tires because your MPG went down and the Prius performs the same or worse. We love your content, no rush to make videos, take your time, do your research and we'll watch what you post!
My experience with the knock-off batteries (Hitachi 14.4v & Bosch 18v) are that over the long term the Knock-offs are not worth it. I have two Hitachi 14.4v batteries that I bought with my impact driver in June of 2011, they still work great to this day, but I have had knock-off 14.4v batteries for the Hitachi that only lasted about 18 months before they would not take a charge, basically the same experience with the Bosch 18v batteries. I have yet to have a genuine Bosch or Hitachi battery die on me, but I have a stack of both knock-off for each brand that are dead as a doornail. I'll spend the extra money and buy the genuine batteries as I need them to work and not leave on on a job stranded with a dead battery. Great video as usual. Cheers from Tokyo!
I only use Milwaukee OEM batteries, but I only pick them up when I can get them around half price on sales and hacks. Thank you for doing this test, I always wondered about those knock offs because the cheap price gets everyones attention. Its always tempting. I hope using the knock offs do not void any warranties. Thanks again for doing the test.
Hey Project Farm, long time benefactor of your amazing videos here...my viewer suggested video is that you test something that you personally use/want to use, are curious about, and/or enjoy. Thanks for all you do for us! 👍🤙🇺🇲
You’ve nearly tested every tool, besides jigsaws, been waiting for one for a while! Wanna know who’s got the best! Hope to see it soon. Great stuff man!
I don't understand how you can be understood while speaking so fast without ever stumbling over your own tongue. I'm also impressed with your thoroughness and jig making.
Project farm replies to nearly every commit on every video. Always great content well planned tests. Keep up the great work Thanks for all the great videos
Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
Milwaukee XC: amzn.to/3Ij3Hxz
Milwaukee High Output CP: amzn.to/3Q92lau
Ridgid Max Output: amzn.to/3IfjFJb
Ridgid: amzn.to/3ChGyb9
Ryobi High Performance: amzn.to/3WI3Xug
Ryobi One+: amzn.to/3IiPWik
Knockoff Milwaukee 9AH: amzn.to/3Q6SxxT
Milwaukee 8 AH: amzn.to/3VH74l4
Kobalt Extended Run: amzn.to/3GaRSqC
Kobalt Ultimate Output: Available at Lowes
31K views in first hour.... goes to show how many people trust in you and enjoy your product reviews.
We appreciate you!
Thanks so much!
Indeed, I'm in the UK to often a fair few of the tools featured aren't available over here. But I still find myself interested and watching this channel! (Joking aside, I think this says it all about the quality of this channel).
Keep up the good work!
In a world full of nothing but lies. There will be more people coming out like this. This guy is just the original.
@@teamdada2194 Indeed, these days it never seems to be very long before someone decides to copy i.e. rip off, someone else's USP.
Great video 😎
I really appreciate how concise you keep the presentations and the charts/graphs at the end of each testing group. It makes your channel one of the top ones I use when examining any product you have covered. Yours is so much better than those other channels where the person is in love with just hearing themselves talk without anything worthwhile. Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you!
Agreed...too many RUclipsrs are Narcissists who only wanna hear their own voice....and it can take you 4/5 minutes to get to the Content and by that time, they have lost me. PF gets it all right!
Same I switched to bulk buy Amazon brand batteries after watching his battery one.
Agreed.
I have actually shut off videos as soon as it is obvious the guy is gonna blab and blab away worse than any woman I ever heard of.
Not much but if it helps you stay clear concise and unbiased I am happy to help, really appreciate your videos they give me REAL buying information!
Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!
Hey, just as constructive feedback, those HP batteries from Ryobi are made to take advantage of the extra contacts on some hp tools
Great feedback! Thank you
Yeah that Ryobi chainsaw isn't an "HP" chainsaw. I don't think it takes advantage of the better batteries. With Rigid, all the Octane stuff was discontinued and I think the "Max Output" batteries should work with all the newer brushless tools.
Yes and also along with all the other batteries certain tools take advantage of the high output just as Milwaukee for example if he would have tested it with an impact driver the high output would have blew away the regular batteries but no channels perfect
@@slylockfox85 Yea, which is messed up, because Torque Test confirmed the circuits worked very well in the Octane tools... But maybe TTI was trying to get away from "fuel" and "octane" naming scheme. It makes me wonder if the Max Output stuff is the same as Octane.
Yea, looks like the chainsaw used is a non-HP one.
I watch a lot of youtube videos week to week, but the absolute highlight every time is when I see the latest project farm video show up every Sunday. I'm not even entirely sure why I enjoy this channel so much...I think it's just Todd. Thanks for the videos Todd. Wishing you a happy and productive New year.
Thanks so much and the same to you!
You've probably been suggested this before, but a good cheap yet useful video idea would be to test waterproofing sprays. I need some and feel blind when I don't have a Project Farm video to guide me! Best waterproofing spray, whether for boots or tarps or just overall any fabric would be great!
Seconded!
Thirded! That’s actually a great suggestion!
Thanks for the suggestion.
I was just about to comment about this when I saw your comment! Some specific brands for me would be Revivex, Nikwax, Kiwi, Scotch and Grangers. It would also be nice to see the spray on ones compared to wash in DWR for comparison. Hopefully we'll see a video on this in the future.
@@ProjectFarm anothe good relatively cheap one could be antifog spray/wipes for safety glasses
You sir will forever be a RUclips genius! I love all the handy stuff you come up with for testing! I bet you’d be fun to sit around and brainstorm with. Keep the kick ass videos coming!
Thank you!!
@@ProjectFarm anytime sir! Anytime I’m about to make a purchase i come right to your page and make sure to check and see if you did a video about it first! Your videos have helped me purchase several things!
@@theSkavenger84
You bet your ass I do exactly the same thing. I don't make any Big Tool purchase without referring back to Todd and project Farm. He has saved me hundreds and hundreds of dollars on not buying sh!tty tools.
@@jonny555ive 💯 same here! Always consult with a profession before making a big purchase!!
This was a very valuable comparison. Especially the Milwaukee vs the Knock-off batteries, since most of my tools are Milwaukee. Thanks PF! You're the best!
Thanks and you are welcome!
I bought the same exact knock offs and was trying to compare over here with much simpler tests and it was vague - seemed like the 8amp knock offs were equal to the 6 amp M's (at 1/2 the price) . . . project farm is the best
@@zanderday4466 I never bought the knock-offs but I have a friend who did. He said their performance seem to equal to the lower rated Milwaukee. The 6.0 knock-offs were about = to a 3.0 Milwaukee.
@Inquiring Mind for the price, i guess they could come In handy for very light duty tasks.
Milwaukee is now using the awesome Tesla cells (2170's). That is worth far more than any no name knock off.
A Project Farm video a week is a treat that never disappoints!
Thanks so much!
Another great video. One thing I've found with the High Output Batteries, how well they perform can be based on what tool they're put in. If I have to drive a lot of long ledger locks, you can bet I'm putting a High Output Battery in my Milwaukee impact. A standard 5.0 might get it 95% of the way into the wood, but when you need a flush-set surface, the 6.0 High Output is able to put down the last inch reliably.
Where as if I'm using my blower, the only real benefit I might see, is a slightly longer run time.
All in all, it is really nice to have them when you need them, hot summers in particular are a pain when it comes to long periods of drilling. To me it seems like the HOBs keep the drill from burning up under heavy load in hot conditions.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
Motors can only draw so many amps, a battery that can supply more amps than the motor can use means the motor will not perform any better. This is why its very tool specific.
Also many high discharge rate high amp batteries (im talking single cells from the manufacturers) give up capacity to be able to discharge faster (though this is being improved quickly which is nice)
So yeah, unless you have the right tool, the only benefit will be how it performs in the cold.
You may want to look into a FLEX impact.
I can only speak for the Ryobi ones, not for the rest, but on the Ryobi tools, you do have additional terminals on the battery socket that either communicates or consumes the additional power from the HD batteries. That's why also the HD batteries should have this additional contact pad on them. Not sure if either of the tools used here are using it
Hey project farm! I love the critical data analysis you do on all your videos, and would love to see you review air purifiers in the future! Thanks again for all the effort you put into your vids.
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm would also love to see an air purifier video, specifically the Govee air purifiers since i have one. i don’t know if it’s doing anything 😂
👍👍
Yesss I was going to ask this question as well!
Yeah test the IQ Air Swiss made purifier
Yet another excellent product testing video PF! It always amazes me at how much time & effort you put into making these videos. Thanks & keep up the great work! 👍👍
Thank you very much!
I think others have mentioned it already, but the Milwaukee XC or High Output batteries only make a difference in the tools that can leverage them, they are usually the "Fuel" branded ones.
Thanks for the feedback.
High output batteries or 21700 cells offer more amp discharge due to larger cells. These batteries with higher amp current are ideal for power tools that regular 18650 cells just can't fully satisfy. Things like chain saws, circular saws, impact wrenches, high powered drills. They will not make any difference in tools where the tool has already peaked in its possible power output with lower amp current batteries. Things like Vacuums, lights, and other light duty tools.
Ryobi high output battery ran 18650 cells so my guess is it's some kind of scam on their part, although they do have additional leads so maybe it helps a tiny bit in tools that can take advantage of those, I don't know, most of my stuff is Milwaukee and DeWalt. But with Ridgid saw we clearly saw it made a decent difference. Also, in my Milwaukee fuel table saw and 10" miter saw, I can easily tell difference in power when I put in a regular battery. Current draw is so huge on those tools that if you try to use them extensively with regular battery, a battery protection will kick in and cut power to save battery. I'm not electric so it's just theory, but I think it's due to current draw exceeding what battery can provide and it starts to overheat with a lot of use.
Yeah but it was a fuel leaf blower sooooo...
@@Fpsnut Many 18650 cells have different capacities and discharge rates. Milwaukee M12 high output batteries use 18650s as well.
Not for fuel, more for high amp draw power tools. Angle drill, concrete saw, cordless super sawzall.
From experience with the HO Milwaukee and the HP Ryobi, they last a little longer but that’s not the reason to buy. In the correct tools they have a fair bit more power (no difference in blower or chainsaw). My tests were with the Ryobi brushless 7 1/4” circular saw and the Milwaukee Fuel 6 1/2” circular saw. The rpm increase and power bump are noticeable in both applications with the HP and HO batteries. My M18 fuel hammer drill also gets more rpm for longer on a 8ah HO than a 5ah XC-same with the fuel 4 1/2” angle grinder. Love your videos!
Thanks!
Thanks for another great video PF. I can't tell you how gratifying it is to see someone put thought into applying ways to eliminate variables and potential bias from testing.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
I would love to see you do coolers! Maybe include tests about shade vs no shade, drain the water vs don't, frozen water bottles vs ice. Ice packs vs regular ice. And, of course, different brands. There are lots of good American made options. Thanks!
Great suggestion!
I buy RTIC an blue cooler ice chestsvroto mould and best value free shipping an beats that expensive one from ace hardware I think it's darn can't remember name , at 66 yrs old , it's not igloo but. ohh yes Yeti, the soft side insulated RTIC travel cooler doesn't preform well at all
Best comment I have seen
Please include Pelican if you do this.
@@ProjectFarm Be sure to include KONG coolers. Made in USA and under rated.
About halfway through the video, I was starting to agree with your final assessment that the high output batteries are more suitable for the cold. So that’s a good data point for me. Thank you for taking time to do this test.
Yep, a higher output is higher discharge when cold.
You are welcome!
Those high performance batteries are made for tools that take advantage of them. For Ryobi for example it has to say "One+HP" which none of the tested tools did. Would have been interesting to see how much the batteries would have made a difference if tested in tools designed for them. I think on those tools the voltage doubles using the pins that you can see at 0:37.
The amount of dedication in this channel never fails so amaze me. Never stop the good work.
Thanks!
Thanks for all that you do, the videos you make are amazing and save money/ improve the lives of people who make a living with tools. Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Another extremely thorough product testing video that was right up my alley. :-) A++
Thank you!
Great video as always. One advantage of the High Output Milwaukee is weight reduction. Fewer cells makes for a smaller and lighter package. Great for lower torque/less current hungry tools like 1/4” impact drivers.
Thanks!
Yeah that small high output battery is by far my favorite. It’s usually the one I keep fully charged and on my impact ready to go.
Love your videos, hats off to you sir for doing all this testing with your own money to save us time and money, much appreciated
Thanks and you are welcome!
Ryobi HP batteries have 2 additional contacts at the base of the stem which take advantage of certain types of Ryobi tools, mostly Ryobi HP brushless branded tools.
Thanks for the feedback.
2:00 does anyone else have immense anxiety at see the free floating chainsaw with his hand to catch it?
You’re really smart and I’m a dummy who owns few tools and does very little manual labor. I hope you did this safely or will in the future. I might trust myself to do something like that but, like I said, I’m a dummy.
We need you to keep producing this awesome content. Don’t want to lose you to an injury. God bless you. Happy New Year.
Would love to see you test levels
Could do 2’ and 4’ levels. Could Test for accuracy, durability, magnetic strength, weight, etc
Absolutely love the reviews! Most of my purchases are decided in these reviews. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the video idea.
I see a lot of comments on here about not testing HP tools with the HP batteries or not using impact guns for torque testing or so on. However I still found the test useful as it served to see what sort of impact high performance batteries have on tools that don’t necessarily use them. Great work and awesome video.
Thanks!
Thank you for this fantastic video presentation & public service!
You are welcome!
Another excellent video. So on the Milwaukee knock off, you get almost the same performance at regular temps (99%-100%) and about 75% the use per charge. However, it only costs 20% of the Milwaukee brand. That’s certainly math to consider!
Thanks again for all these videos
Thanks and you are welcome!
Dont do it. There is a reason you pay what you do. Much better materials that last longer. It matters in a crunch or repetion of charging and lackluster performance.
Motorcycling season will soon be upon us. Could you and Cousin Eddy test some helmets, full-face and open-face, with and without communication capabilities, drop test, abrasion resistance, impact resistance (like getting hit with a small stone), and all the goodies you can dream up? That would be awesome. We love all you do, even if we have no need for the product. Thanks Todd.
Thank you for the video idea!
I don't even know that motorcycling has season. We ride all the time from blazing summer sun to highest flood in monsoon. But i will definitely watch this for PA. Same helmet, same series, same brand, different type (full/half) and test in Project Farm's style
@@kesaranpasaran2630 … that’s because we are in Arizona where we have 365.25 days a year of outdoor activities. If 117 degrees is too hot, go to the next county and enjoy the 30 degrees cooler weather in as little as 2 hour ride.
@@kesaranpasaran2630 I have a home in Bellefonte, PA right in the middle of PA. I also live in Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada. There, it's either motorcycling weather or snowmobiling weather. I suppose I could put snow chains on my motorcycle. And maybe some Biden-inspired outriggers so I don't fall over. You are invited to come up in a month or so and go motorcycle riding with me. Wear Long Johns. Let's go out to Peggy's Cove. Cool ride! Thanks for the reply.
Helmet isn't supposed to survive a hammer hit, it's supposed to save your brain from injuries
Another!!! Well done, comprehensive test. Thank you again.👍👍
Thanks and you are welcome!
This will probably be one of your most important videos. Most people aren't leaving their tool family because batteries are so expensive, but buying better batteries is something a lot of people will be interested in.
Anything with the Tesla 2170 cells would be an improvement
Great feedback. Thanks!
This PF video shows exactly what I expected. Nice to have it proven--again by Project Farm. This could be among the most valuable channels I watch regularly. I buy nothing without checking out PF to see if they have a review. The most honest testing available to the public, and I truly appreciate them.
Thank you!
But do you buy things you don't need, like air speed velocity meters, and tachometers, and air particle measurement meters?? LOL. I think a couple of us go that far....
GREAT VIDEO AND TESTING .. MY SON MAX 7YR.S OLD AND I LEARN ALOT ON YOUR VIDEO''S AND WHAT TO BUY.. YOUR SPEED TALK,, GETS THE VIDEO GOING AND YOU KNOW MORE TESTING ITEMS .. THANK''S..
Thanks and you are welcome! Glad to hear you and your 7 year old son enjoy watching and are learning a lot!
Good stuff as always. I have seen some other tests where certain tools benefit from a better battery. It wasn't a massive difference but probably enough to notice. I have a bunch of ryobi tools so I just got their special buy two pack of 4amp high output for $99. I couldn't resist since they are normally $110 each.
Thanks for sharing!
Same here. I got about a million Ryobi tools laying around and never seem to have a fully charged battery
Should do a test of OEM vs aftermarket batteries also! That would be very interesting.
Great suggestion! Thank you
true , I'm curious aboht the FCA/ Mopar ones , I have one as a replacement and works fine
No point of that test. Read reviews, aftermarket batteries are pure junk.
On other hand my first Makita 18V I bought in 2006 would simply kill any new high output new batteries. And those were just 3Ah.
Agree. I’ve found some good knockoff 5ah batteries I use in my Dewalt tools. Especially my Dewalt chainsaw
@@jpjr6757 Pure luck I bet. Mostly those are junk
Thank you for your no-nonsense testing and videos. I often have to watch other videos at 1.5x speed, but yours are always 'no fluff' and informative.
Thanks so much!
Thank you for the effort you put in these videos! The are really enjoyable to watch and very Handy. Keep it up
Thank you very much! This means a lot to me!
Awesome video! Looking forward to the stacked lithium version down the road. Thank you very much for this!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Dude I just watched a video you did on hose clamps lmao.
You test anything, this had become my favorite youtube channel.
Retest low end knives and various AA & AAA batteries.
I like that you state facts with no extra crap, straight to the point.
Thanks!
Hey! Absolutely love your content. Looks forward to it every week. Just have a future suggestion. Test out some of the high weight gear oils. I'd love to know how Mobile One, Valvoline, Amsoil, and even Motorcraft stack up! Could be interesting to test the high weight oils vs conventional
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Nice work 👏
Thank you very much!
The quality of your videos and the time that you take to present it are awesome. Thank you for your time and your devotion
Awesome tests Todd. Question: when you cooled the batteries down to around 0F how long were they in the freezer on average?
15 hours
@@ProjectFarm awesome, a good representation of the batteries left overnight in an unheated work truck, garage or shed.
I love the channel! I think your tests did a great job showing that (for packs with the same capacity) "high output" really doesn't mean much under normal use (The total watt hours are the same). However, I feel there was a missed opportunity here. Both the Milwaukee and the Kobalt uses the larger 21700 cells in their 'upgraded' packs. Which to me directly implies they wanted the upgrade to provide better *peak current* output. But the both the blower & vacuum would have a cap on current draw to prevent damage to the fans. The chainsaw could peak more, but I suspect that since the motor drives a chain, they too have artificial current limits to ensure safety if extreme torque is applied to the chain. Only the circular saw (conceptually) seems like it would be able to continually draw more and more (since the motor is directly coupled to the blade and transferring it's torque directly to the wood). ---- I would love to know how much the better the 'upgraded' batteries are at handling 'extremes' where the torque (and current) are much higher than normal. ---- I think running each pair on a circular saw as it tries to cut increasingly tough material would show if the 'upgraded battery' is a cash grab or an actual benefit for the few who are the most demanding of their tools.
That said I am no expert on the EE behind power tools. Perhaps every tool has an artificial current cap set well below what the normal battery could provide, which is entirely possible. In which case the upgraded battery of the same capacity is totally a cash grab (aside from some limited cold weather benefits).
So I feel like that was a missed opportunity, but no hard criticism here... Your video still does an excellent job showing their behavior the way most people would use it. I love your work Todd! Thanks for putting these videos out there.
Thanks and you are welcome!
The timing for this video is spot on as I was just looking at these batteries the other day in the store, and wondering if the price difference was really worth it. Thanks for doing some testing so we can make informed purchases!
You are welcome! Great to hear!
It largely depends on what you will use them for and what brand. Milwaukee: the HO batteries make more power in their impact tools and drills. TorqueTestChannel showed how the CP3.0 HO battery in an impact wrench made the same torque as the XC5.0 battery. It obviously didn't last as long, but it made the same power with a *lighter and smaller* battery pack. The XC6.0 HO battery was more powerful than the regular xc6.0 battery.
ryobi fanboy here. The Ryobi 1+ HP batteries make a huge difference in the high end HP tools. Especially in the Brushless models. They have an additional contact on the base of the battery, just at the beginning of the stem. My angle grinder often stalls using a regular battery, never with the HP battery. I would loved to have seen a comparison of a Fake Ryobi battery. But I can't assume it would be the same as the Fake Mil. Awesome testing. Thanks Todd.
ryobi and high end hahahaahaahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahhaahhahhahaahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahah
Thanks and you are welcome!
@@promo130 Hate to burst your tool snob bubble but you do realize Ryobi is owned by TTI, the same company that makes Milwaukee… and some of their brushless tools have tested quite favorably. Not everybody cares what color the case is, as long as it works.
I have their high torque impact doing commercial trailer service and rebuilds and it just flat out works, even being abused. Has rarely ever failed to get a rusted lug nut off. And if it did, it took a 1” air impact to do it.
Ditto the Ryobi grease gun, just flat out works. And in case you missed it ih the video…Todd KEPT the vacuum.
@@SoManyDogs 😂😂 clown,
ryobi even stated themself , if you use it professional you will void the warranty😂😂😂 call that high end
Read the box einstein
Ryobi is for diy
Not pro’s
@@SoManyDogs #1 Ryobi is not owned by TTI.
#2 TTI makes tools for several market tiers, ryobi is one of the lower end ones. Just like S, B&D makes dewalt.
Great work as usual! One question: you mentioned that you kept the Ryobi for this test. What do you normally do with all the tools you test?
Thanks! What I don't save for future episodes I donate in my community.
He sends them to the orphanage down the street.
The local high school, community colleges, and tool libraries must love PF.
If PF ever had a yard sale it would be legendary.
So would that mean since this is your business that it is a tax write off when you buy it and you could write it off a second time when you donate it?
@@alexanderfehr2047 shhhhhhhhhhhhh
I love this whole channel is just an elaborate excuse to have ALL the tools. Thanks for the dedication to unbiased results though every video.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Thorough testing as usual!
Surprised the results were so close... But in a heavy load application I'd want my battery to run as cool as possible for longevity, so the high performance packs are all ahead there.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Not the milwaukee though
then you need to store them in freezer
I was thinking the same although how much longer would they last?
I really like the comparison within the same brands. I would love to see some changes comparisons between tools within the same brand.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Thank you so much for these tests. I like that you put a lot of thought into the tests and go through an explanation. Way more than just giving a statistic.
You are welcome!
Hey Todd, love your channel. Could you add parallel clamps and bar clamps (probably separate) to your long list of things to test? I think a lot of woodworkers would appreciate it greatly. It's hard to tell sometimes whether to pay a premium or if middle of the road is adequate. Thanks!
Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.
Would love to see you test measuring calipers. I wonder how accurate my cheap husky digital calipers are compared to more expensive calipers
Thanks for the suggestion.
From personal experience, cheaper versions are decently accurate, what you gain with "Pro" brands, is repeatability(subjective because of operator ofc), better quality, specially in frame, rigidity of frame, smoother feel, being more dust and coolant resistant, etc. Some models you'll gain extra decimal point on read out for what's that worth. After having multiple brands and versions, my personal preference are the coolant proof Mitutoyo's, I've had Brown & Sharp, Starrett, Fowler, and etc other brands, and none are as nice as genuine Mitutoyo's(there are plenty of knockoff, specially of non coolant proof ones).
@@dfsmachinist5941 - I'd heard that knockoff Mitutoyo calipers hold battery charge around for a month, in compare to a genuine with over a year battery lifespan. Didn't buy it yet.
@@hztn Yep, sounds about right, one of guys in shop had a knock off.
Because of your honest reviews I was able to buy the best car jumper ever.
It has saved me and my friends many times. Occasionally some extrangers as well.
Happy to see people doing all this work to help people like me that can't afford to spend Money on garbage.
Thank you so much Sr.
You are welcome! Glad I could help!
Speaking of batteries. Testing UPS back up batteries would be interesting to test.
Thank you for the video idea!
Love your reviews! I make purchases based upon your objective test results. Unfortunately, I purchased a bunch of Ryobi hp batteries before this test😞
Thanks!
I love his reviews too but unfortunately, and it happens to everyone he missed the mark on this one. Don’t feel bad about buying the HP batteries they were a good investment. Certain tools are designed to take advantage of that HP architecture and extra power and other tools are not capable of drawing that extra power. Your HP Ryobi tools should be paired with your Ryobi HP batteries. I run Milwaukee tools and you won’t see much of a difference if any at all, on things like vacuums but impacts, drills, saws, etc you will. but more so with Ryobi tools there’s actually an extra contact on the Ryobi HP tools just for the HP batteries.
Hey fyi I've watched your channel for a long time.
You're one of the last channels that I look forward to videos from. Everyone else has watered down their videos, or gone super fancy with big productions and such. You've stayed true to your original format which I at least appreciate. Thank you for the fantastic content.
Wow, thank you!
@@ProjectFarm I hope you still have some fun making these. Other channels are all burnt out or they've sunk millions into a production facility, yada yada, and are in debt up to their eyeballs. Don't go that route :)
I think the Max output batteries will become the new entry level behind Stacked batteries. Would love to see the MO vs the Stacked, I know you lose Amp hours but the power they are showing coming out of the Flex tools is pretty insane.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Torque test channel did many tests and showed how good higher capacity and high performance batteries do in comparison to regular versions. I def wish Harbor freight made a series for their Bauer like they do for the Hercules line, but it seems like they're tryna further differemtiate the two brands by giving Hercules all the premium features
You use the harbor freight power tools? You a pro or just a diy’er? If you are a pro How are they?
Your wish is granted lol They're coming out with 8ah bauer batteries now. My local store already has them.
@@codygooch510 The Baur motors don't stand up to pro use and will smoke out on you. Similar to masterforce tools from Menards. I have a masterforce 7inch grinder and have cut lots of concrete with it but you have to be careful to not overload the motor or you can smell it. By babying it a little I've kept it alive so far but not on the quality level of major brands.
Todd, Hello from Delaware! I’ve been watching you since your first video 5 years ago religiously and I look forward to your weekly video more than I did “The Office” with Steve Carrell. This is easily the most valuable channel on RUclips in my opinion and you should consider mirroring all of these videos over to the Rumble platform as well to pick up that audience. You are great!
It's interesting how the higher outputs often draw the amps down quicker even if it started with a higher capacity. Good application of algebra lol
Also quick note, I love your multiple trails of the same tests. I can see how it'd be hard to present that without putting people to sleep but you might have figured it out 🤠
Thanks!
Motors can only draw so many amps, a battery that can supply more amps than the motor can use means the motor will not perform any better. This is why its very tool specific.
Also many high discharge rate high amp batteries (im talking single cells from the manufacturers) give up capacity to be able to discharge faster (though this is being improved quickly which is nice)
So yeah, unless you have the right tool, the only benefit will be how it performs in the cold.
Huh, we did use algebra when we are older.
I fell asleep during this video but not because it was boring lol
You would enjoy the Torque Test channel along with Todd and PF. TT really plays with batteries and beans as well. I enjoy these channels and in Todd I trust. 🇺🇸👍🏻💪😎
Hey Todd, awesome video as always. I've been watching since you started, and finally have a few suggestions!
I wonder if you could bust some "building envelope" myths. Maybe test different brands building paper/tar paper. Do they really allow moisture out? How tough are they when left on walls for long periods of time? I have just always wanted to get to the bottom of this one.
Insulation would be a good one to test too, sprayfoam vs roxul vs fibreglass vs styrofoam etc...
Did you test Oscillating Multitool blades? I forget. I swear, they're all trash, but maybe I'm using the wrong ones!
Re: other user comment about doing coolers. Try the canyon cooler! They claim it's better than a yeti and cheaper. you should test that. A few other more popular ones make similar claims. What makes Yeti's so expensive? Are they worth it?
Ever think of testing other auto parts? It would be cool to see house brands vs name brands for things like brakes and ball joints. With all the new online parts dealers, it's so hard to know if I should spring for the good ones or stick with the cheapo's.
Thanks for all your hard work. We're all better off for it
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestions.
Just started this video but something that comes to mind is a REALLY good channel that compares tools and batteries in the process is torque test channel. Those guys do a great job. They even do flashlights and some other non torque things.
I was waiting for your video! Thank you Todd & Happy new year!
Happy new year!
Impressive! Seeing these stats shows how well the standard batteries are vs the high output batteries, not very worth it unless like you said, the cold temp. Just gonna stick to the normal ones then on most occasions. You should try the HP vs normal of some of the ryobi tools though and see the differences, and also try the high preformance 4ah batteries vs the 9ah batteries and see how much more the 9ah improves speed, endurance, and power.
To be fair those aren’t HP tools so they don’t have the extra contacts to take advantage of the higher power in the HP batteries
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
As far as performance goes, here are your answers: The 9Ah is superior across the board. The closest you can get to it is the 6Ah HP and it's not that close. The 3Ah HP Compact and higher batteries will spank any of the standard batteries when used in brushless tools with the extra contact points. The 3Ah compact runs 21700 cells instead of 18650, so it has a lot of power for its size (it's actually a touch more powerful than the 4Ah HP). The 1.5 and 2Ah HP batteries will beat the 1.5 and 2Ah standard batteries and will nearly compete with the 4Ah standard batteries.
Thank you for spending your time testing 👍🏻
My pleasure!
Great review! Thank you again, Todd, for such an amazing and applicable review. I still can't wait for the round 2 of ratchet comparisons. I put ratchet purchases on hold until your review comes out. Hope it is soon! Haha.
Thank you very much!
I know channels like TorqueTestChannel have shown that high output batteries can increase performance on some high torque impact guns. So in really high amp draw situations like with high torques or grinders it might matter more. But I also think it has a lot to do with whether the pack is using 18650s or 21700s, the latter being able to supply more amps.
Would have been interesting to see full size chainsaws cutting 12in of hardwood. Would put a much bigger load on the saw and maybe they would take advantage of high output batteries.
Motors can only draw so many amps, a battery that can supply more amps than the motor can use means the motor will not perform any better. This is why its very tool specific.
Also many high discharge rate high amp batteries (im talking single cells from the manufacturers) give up capacity to be able to discharge faster (though this is being improved quickly which is nice)
So yeah, unless you have the right tool, the only benefit will be how it performs in the cold.
@@alexdrockhound9497 The HP batteries have extra contacts that match extra contacts on the HP line of tools. When the battery senses these contacts on the tool it will allow more amps to the tool via the main contacts.(the extra contacts are only to sense the tool type and not conduct power) The non-hp tools don't have these so the battery will not output more amps because their motors and wires can't handle the extra amps. HP tools can pull more amps than non HP but only with a supporting battery.
You are my new Consumer Reports. They used to test things, now not so much. Your testing is excellent, and we get to see you run the tests as well. Excellent content all around.
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Just remember you need a ryobi tool with the HP contacts to see a difference
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Love your videos!
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THE VIDEO EVERYONE WAS WAITING FOR! THANK YOU!!!
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just like the best batteries, hope your channel last longer. a good year to you and thank you as always for the reviews
Thank you very much! I'm hoping I can keep going a lot longer too!
I use milwaukee m12 and m18 tools for work and in my opinion the high output batteries make more of a difference in the m12 tools. However with both m12 and m18 the high output batteries can often make the tool remove bolts the standard ones cannot. Your videos are always awesome and I don't think your tests are flawed but I do think that these tests don't tell the whole story. When a high output battery is the difference between getting a job done or not, they are well worth the extra cost for me.
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I love how much care goes into your videos . Great content as always .
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The Milwaukee you have to use a tool that can take advantage of the HD circuit.. The batteries are definitely worth it in that case, you can night and day hear and see the difference if you use it in Milwaukee impacts, especially the larger 1/2 and 3/8 impacts.
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I can only speak on the dewalt power stack batteries (their HO version) they do work and give a better discharge rate however, they are proud of em because the price hurts...
Great feedback on the powerstack!
This has been really educational and will save me lots of money with my future decisions, I appreciate your accuracy and complete honesty with your tests/reviews
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LiPo HV has similar benefits in hobby-grade R/C cars and other vehicles. Cool it's in the mainstream now! (I am guessing that's what this is...they just charge to 4.35v instead of like 4.20v)
Great point on the top-off voltage!
What kind of rcs do you mess with?
Interesting results.
💥What if you used those battery adapter devices for each brand of battery, and then connect the output wires to to a common load (like a higher draw device like a saw).
This type of test would put all batteries 🔋 on the same playing field being compared with each other.
BUT I guess the other factor to consider is the advertised amp hour of one battery compared to a slightly different amp hour battery.
It would be a telling comparison of just how similar batteries compare to each brand.
By the way, the name Ryobi is actually pronounced, Ree-o-be.
I discovered this on the company website years ago when they first came out.
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Another very smart and helpful test. And very impressive. Thanks for the test!
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I own Milwaukee tools and there’s definitely a difference the high amp/hour you go. You can hear the speed of any tool increase substantially if you pop in say a 8.0 vs a 5.0
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I notice a big difference when using HO Milwaukee batteries compared to their XO.
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I really appreciate your dedication. I always come to your channel when need information about something. I have one critique, I would use Kobalt xtr tools, Ryobi hp tools etc... for the demonstration. But great job!
You should redo this test and use the batteries on tools that can take advantage of the extra juice the High output batteries can provide. (Context, i can tell a huge difference when using my circular saw/coorless vaccum with a high output vs a regular battery.)
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Hey Mason, what cordless vacuum do you have and what improvements have you noticed with H.O battery vs a regular battery? Asking for a friend! Thanks
@@notmyhandle88 it has more sucking power. And just overall you can feel a difference.
This a great analysis of the batteries and good real world test. I have genuine dewalt batteries and a handful of knockoffs. The knockoffs don't perform the same, but they are so much cheaper that there are definite real world scenarios for having some on hand. Like a flashlight or orbital sander (doesn't take as much draw). Thanks for the testing!
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Very interesting to see the differences in power and power draw in different temp settings as well.
I love your videos, at this point in time you have tested so many things that every time I am looking for reviews for something from DIY to pro tool needs, you have a video for it and I will not chose a product without your testing and input.
A big thank you for what you do!
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Thank you for doing this test!
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I did not expect those results. Interesting. Thanks!
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I LOVE YOUR CONTENT!! If you saw my tools you would know I value your testing You're slipping lately though, no Blendtec in the blender review and now testing the HP batteries with non HP tools. They are intended for HP tools that allow for higher amp discharging. This entire video was like putting Formula One tires on your Prius and then concluding they aren't as good as standard tires because your MPG went down and the Prius performs the same or worse. We love your content, no rush to make videos, take your time, do your research and we'll watch what you post!
My experience with the knock-off batteries (Hitachi 14.4v & Bosch 18v) are that over the long term the Knock-offs are not worth it. I have two Hitachi 14.4v batteries that I bought with my impact driver in June of 2011, they still work great to this day, but I have had knock-off 14.4v batteries for the Hitachi that only lasted about 18 months before they would not take a charge, basically the same experience with the Bosch 18v batteries. I have yet to have a genuine Bosch or Hitachi battery die on me, but I have a stack of both knock-off for each brand that are dead as a doornail.
I'll spend the extra money and buy the genuine batteries as I need them to work and not leave on on a job stranded with a dead battery.
Great video as usual.
Cheers from Tokyo!
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I only use Milwaukee OEM batteries, but I only pick them up when I can get them around half price on sales and hacks. Thank you for doing this test, I always wondered about those knock offs because the cheap price gets everyones attention. Its always tempting. I hope using the knock offs do not void any warranties. Thanks again for doing the test.
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Hey Project Farm, long time benefactor of your amazing videos here...my viewer suggested video is that you test something that you personally use/want to use, are curious about, and/or enjoy.
Thanks for all you do for us! 👍🤙🇺🇲
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You’ve nearly tested every tool, besides jigsaws, been waiting for one for a while! Wanna know who’s got the best! Hope to see it soon. Great stuff man!
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Those results are surprising, thanks for testing so thoroughly!
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Solid video!! The torque test channel have done a good battery output test!
I don't understand how you can be understood while speaking so fast without ever stumbling over your own tongue. I'm also impressed with your thoroughness and jig making.
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Project farm replies to nearly every commit on every video. Always great content well planned tests. Keep up the great work Thanks for all the great videos
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Guaranteed these results can be taken to the bank, another very nicely done review. I purchase no tools or equipment without checking with you first.
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