Yes, here is the ADVANCED VERSION: ruclips.net/video/h0xhoytCOuY/видео.html That is a great question! Essentially, the hands/arms need to work to square the club, but I use an advanced version of this pattern where it seems like no hands/arms. In the advanced version linked above the golfer squares the club much earlier in the downswing by flexing the lead writs and rotating the forearm. This enables us to keep the right arm bent and be more rotated with the body at impact. I still think that the basic circle drill demonstrated in this video is valid for most golfers.
@@GolfCoachDrNoel Thanks for helpful reply. You don't incorporate inertial forces into your model? Someone I've leant on is C. B. Daish's double pendulum model.
@@ubute Is that the Tutleman website? I love it and I think that is incorporated into the advanced model even if it isn't referenced. (Please correct me if I am wrong) As I am learning, you can't make a video for RUclips and call it 'golf made easy' and then discuss inertial forces.🙂 As I am learning, that content leads to only 3 people watching the video.
@@GolfCoachDrNoel Good point. C.B. Daish published The Physics of Ball Games around 1970. He liked the golf swing to cracking a whip and claimed the double pendulum model was close to capturing the golf swing. Some say that's been repudiated but the swing has changed since his day. Tutleman's stuff is good but haven't looked for a while.
This drill has really helped me. Whenever I overcomplicate the swing, I bring things to chest height and imagine a rounders swing. The sequencing, pressure shift etc seems to happen naturally.
Thanks Drew. There is so much in this drill but as you say, it all happens fairly naturally. There is not a week that goes by that I don't use the circle drill with someone. The big thing it doesn't have though is arm lift so I am always weary of that as the student transitions down to ball level.
I started learning golf about a year ago and was struggling with coming over the top. I saw a similar tip from Padraig Harrington that simulating a baseball swing can really help with it, and its certainly helped. I also find this horizontal swing is helpful as a dynamic warmup and getting a sense for good tempo.
👍Glad you connect with it. Stage 2 of the drill became my pre-shot routine for years. It gives me a great sense of swing plane and awareness of where the club face it at impact.
I’ve tried this drill after watching Leadbetter’s drill years ago. I like the simplicity but…It ends up making me swing with my shoulders too flat . I feel like I’m missing the lifting of the arms part of my swing. Any thoughts?
You are absolutely right. It’s a great drill for certain aspects but it misses that vertical component. As you say, the main thing is the arms lifting in backswing. There’s also too much arm rotation so it is not an accurate model. I use it mainly with high hdp players to build a general concept of the swing. I do add arm lift arrange 2 though
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Very useful demo/drill. Can you get the clubhead to square through the hitting zone without actively using your hands?
Yes, here is the ADVANCED VERSION: ruclips.net/video/h0xhoytCOuY/видео.html
That is a great question! Essentially, the hands/arms need to work to square the club, but I use an advanced version of this pattern where it seems like no hands/arms. In the advanced version linked above the golfer squares the club much earlier in the downswing by flexing the lead writs and rotating the forearm. This enables us to keep the right arm bent and be more rotated with the body at impact.
I still think that the basic circle drill demonstrated in this video is valid for most golfers.
@@GolfCoachDrNoel Thanks for helpful reply. You don't incorporate inertial forces into your model? Someone I've leant on is C. B. Daish's double pendulum model.
@@ubute Is that the Tutleman website? I love it and I think that is incorporated into the advanced model even if it isn't referenced. (Please correct me if I am wrong)
As I am learning, you can't make a video for RUclips and call it 'golf made easy' and then discuss inertial forces.🙂 As I am learning, that content leads to only 3 people watching the video.
@@GolfCoachDrNoel Good point. C.B. Daish published The Physics of Ball Games around 1970. He liked the golf swing to cracking a whip and claimed the double pendulum model was close to capturing the golf swing. Some say that's been repudiated but the swing has changed since his day. Tutleman's stuff is good but haven't looked for a while.
Excellent drill. Makes more sense than trying to start on the ground.
Game changer!!! I have been guilty of over analysing the golf swing for the best part of 50 years
Thanks so much!!!
Absolutely. Good luck.
This advice, given my many teachers, is still valid. A good reminder!
That’s great to hear. It’s a really simple concept but works a number of important aspects of the swing.
This drill has really helped me. Whenever I overcomplicate the swing, I bring things to chest height and imagine a rounders swing. The sequencing, pressure shift etc seems to happen naturally.
Thanks Drew. There is so much in this drill but as you say, it all happens fairly naturally. There is not a week that goes by that I don't use the circle drill with someone. The big thing it doesn't have though is arm lift so I am always weary of that as the student transitions down to ball level.
I started learning golf about a year ago and was struggling with coming over the top. I saw a similar tip from Padraig Harrington that simulating a baseball swing can really help with it, and its certainly helped. I also find this horizontal swing is helpful as a dynamic warmup and getting a sense for good tempo.
👍Glad you connect with it. Stage 2 of the drill became my pre-shot routine for years. It gives me a great sense of swing plane and awareness of where the club face it at impact.
I like it! Now I need a 3 foot tee, lol! Looking forward to trying this, it makes a lot of sense!
Good luck. Hope it helps.
I’ve tried this drill after watching Leadbetter’s drill years ago. I like the simplicity but…It ends up making me swing with my shoulders too flat . I feel like I’m missing the lifting of the arms part of my swing. Any thoughts?
You are absolutely right. It’s a great drill for certain aspects but it misses that vertical component. As you say, the main thing is the arms lifting in backswing. There’s also too much arm rotation so it is not an accurate model. I use it mainly with high hdp players to build a general concept of the swing. I do add arm lift arrange 2 though
@@GolfCoachDrNoel Thanks for clarifying 👍
Pretty close
Ive tried this before, the key was having my hands at hip height NOT IN line with the club head thats where i got confused
Floors are found inside buildings. Outside it is called the ground.
Well, I've never made that connection. You learn something everyday.
So, what is it in a driving range?
Golf isn't easy.
You’re right. Dreadful messaging on my part. I feel bad for even suggesting it. This is simpler approach though for high handicap and novice players.