30+ years on boxers, from an r65 to 1200 gs and all in between. They are so much better now, young fella, roll on the next 30 years! Another amazing flick from tmf.......thanks!
I really admire your channel sir. You are living the life, riding bikes without worrying about going to work or anything else. Riding bikes and talking to people about it is one of the best line of work. 👍
Thanks Mr flyer. Recently bought one of these on your recommendation. However, have had to make a few mods notably bar risers and clutch line extension. But now I love it. Keep up the good work can't wait for part 2 of wing rescuing the wings!
I just realized that to me....you are the coolest person I know of! Definitely the coolest motorcyclist I know of and someone who I feel is the ideal motorcyclist! You seem to experience and share those experiences in your wonderful videos what motorcycling could be on any of the wonderful bikes you have reviewed. To someone like myself who has and could only as of yet dreamed of such a lifestyle! You dear sir are awesome! Thank you for sharing with us such wonderful content! I appreciate your honesty! Cheers to you!
Another thing about it's handling, is that nothing upsets the chassis. Hit a bump in the middle of a corner? Not a problem, it doesn't even notice uneven surfaces. It tracks and holds the line beautifully. It's truly gotta be witchcraft.
TMF - I have a 2020 1250RS. I have had it for about 2 months and I split riding time between my RS, Street Scrambler and SUV. That being said, I have about 1600 miles on it. What a fantastic bike it is. When I bought my bike it had the low seat, which was replaced with a Sargent Seat and I added the Helibar risers. Those two changes have increased the comfort on the bike. I think you hit all the top 5 points on the bike. The power is so smooth. I love this bike.
You're getting very good at making these vids. Love the intro and the use of the rear facing view. Almost like watching an on the move talk show done from the seat of the bike.
I saw this bike "in the flesh" for the first time today. As someone looking for that "unicorn" one bike to rule them all, I'm delighted that the Missenden Flyer had reviewed this. This saves me a bunch of time. Thank you for your dedicated and professional review
Just got mine after a year after ordering, it’s well worth it. Did have the R1200RS to keep me company whilst I was waiting though. My number one is it looks good and goes quick, rides smoothly, choice of riding modes, self levelling suspension, can be forgiving, brakes well, very comfortable, hill start assist.........
Ordered when ‘launched’ last year. As the GS is en vogue and made on the same line it put production back a full 12 months. BMW launched to many bikes at the same time. Due to this plenty of folk of stepped off the RS on to the GS but now want to go back to the RS. The machine is a riders bike. This is now my fourth RS since launch in ‘15. It’s a bike that chooses you.
I'm shocked I was expecting No1 and comfort to be in the list you don't like as you are a GS man. A good top 5. I love the Boxxer engine for the looks as much as the smoothness it looks so damn cool sticking out like that certainly better than some engine that's tuck away you can hardly see. I can make 5 things I don't like. 1. Screen. 2. Non illuminated controls 3. Gearbox can be clunky 4.price 5. Sound
My top five: 1.Screen (Why can't they make a decent scree, and take into account wind noise?) 2.Price 3. Sound. 4. Switches appear to be crappy plastic 5. Build quality (going from the two GSs I owned)
@@Roger101Watson not got any experience with KTM, but the BMWs don't last well unless you pay a lot of attention to the cleaning. My last GS had rust on some parts of the silencer within a year, and they are buggers to clean.
I enjoyed this video particularly as I’m seriously thinking of getting an RS next spring. I’m looking forward to your long term view, which I believe will be posted shortly.
On strength of your first review of the BMW 1250RS I test rode a new one in September. My bike is a Honda Crossrunner (800cc V4) and I have to say I could not see or feel what all the RS fuss is about. The boxer engine is a lump compared to my Honda’s; its build quality wasn’t as good; why are the RS’s body panel attachment screws exposed?; quick shift I could take it or leave it. All very underwhelming. However I agree about the comfy seat, low centre of gravity and the TFT. I will give it a second chance next year because I’m sure it deserves it, I was just so disappointed by my first BMW experience.
That is an amazing motor bike. Would truly love to spin that one up and down and back around the Great Smoky Mountains 🏔. And just for fun, do it again. I can see your point......hard to say 5 best, then find faults. Price would be hard to handle. Thanks for bringing that one to us, one can always dream.👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸
I’ve watched countless videos of you and can’t, for the life of me, understand driving laws over there! Especially when you pass a very long line of cars into seemingly oncoming traffic! I had to watch this video twice because the first time I was just watching the roads and not paying attention to anything you said!! Lol 😂 Keep up the great work! I love it!
Great review and like the zip tie safety measures in case you loose the GoPro😊. Just replaced my GS for one of these. No regrets so far. Just that bit easier to handle being a bit lower. Keep the reviews coming👍🏽
Thank you for the review, in 2 weeks I’ll be changing my 2019GS to a 2022RS and I’m so nervous as I love my GS… I might regret it but your video is giving me confidence to proceed with the deal… 😅
They have good electrics good looking good engine but they still haven’t built a DCT engine which a lot of people would now prefer and some even require to carry on riding with disabilities.
Maybe it was just a setting but I found the clutch on the RS to be very heavy. I also felt quite a bit of pressure on the wrists but that might be because I ride a Multistrada i.e upright position.
Spent the day sitting on bikes I can't afford at the bike show, deffo need to test ride an s1000r if I pass my mod2 next week. BMW seem to make some wonderful machinery!
My first bike was the R1150RS a much underrated bike and not that popular in the UK (The RT was the bigger seller) but were very popular in the States. Love the looks of the new RS and will probably be my next bike.
Seriously looking at this bike for next spring. Only issue really is whether it’s a bit of a waste as most of my riding is a relatively short commute, but it does seem to do everything 🧐
Great video as usual. They just released the new info on the Yamaha FJR. 2020 will be the last year for the Euro 4 standard FJR’s, according to motorcyclenews.com. I told you that I was waiting to see if they did a color change from the matte phantom blue and if they added anything new. Well they changed the color to what looks like a dark metallic grey. They did not continue with the base model A. I am going to my dealer here in the states next week to put a deposit down for my 2020 model which will be released in March of next year. Needless to say, I cannot wait, but hate that I have to. 😂😔 If it was not for the boxer engine on the RT, I would have probably gone for it. But I just cannot stand the sides sticking out like that. Thanks again for another great video and keep up the great work. Keep pushing Mrs. Flyer to ride and she will become “One of us, one of us.” 😎😂
I currently have a VFR800vtec and a 1200 GS and love them both. I wonder if this could be the perfect blend of both. I might take one for a test ride next spring.
@@majordelays4909 yes, took one for a test ride and loved it. Perfect bike. I wanted to spec it out to be a bit special with some of the option 719 packs and wheels, but there was a shortage of stock. All they could offer was a standard TE, so I went to KTM and got blown away by the GT.
I sure loved my R1100S. Always thought the non GS bikes were a bit overlooked. I am bracing for the onslaught of NEC posts, not that I’m complaining, cos I live for this stuff 😇 - hope you’re headed for the Midlands! Yes I’m American but I have an overwhelming love for Mother England, motorbikes and UK moto journalism ❤️ Mind those sleeping ladies pushing prams straight into traffic! 🤭😥
I'm a fan of twins in general and quite tempted by the new RS (except for the price!), but as I'm more lanky than your good self at 6' tall and 33" leg I do wonder if the riding position might be a bit cramped? The pegs certainly felt a tad high when I sat on one, and there's no sign of lowered pegs as far as I can see. I do wish Moto Guzzi would do a road going version of their V85...
Peter Livermore there is a high seat option whichever should help a bit. I believe it's about 1" taller than the standard seat. And I believe the RS also has a Sport seat option, which oddly is even taller than the high seat.
I'm 6'2 and I recently test rode this bike and I know what you mean, but there is a lowered footpeg kit now on the options lists, it's about £500 but it looks good ! Btw, I own an R1250R, and I was thinking of PX'ing my R for this bike because of it's better wind protection, but I can't help thinking that the R fits me better. (I've got a +30mm seat on mine btw)
tbh, I think a high seat on an RS might make the forward lean a bit too much ?? I'm beginning to think that an R with a high seat is a better option for taller riders..I think I need another test ride on an RS and this time i'll stick my +30mm Wunderlich seat on it, that would be a good test, and if I do that I'll report back :)
They had a low peg option for the '17 1200 although it wasn't much. I've not seen it as an option but will be enquiring when I place my order. Lost my RS to wildlife more than a year ago and am itching to get back on and feeling the new engine.
I agree with you, and liked your first review of the bike, the 1250rs in my view is a better looking bike with a much improved front end, not quite so sure about the bigger silencer though. Having owned a R1200Rs which was unfortunately written off in a SMIDSY U turn, I have just purchased a new R1250Rs sport. I notice a few improvements over the older model; 1, The side stand is less ‘upright’ so is more stable when parked, 2 LED headlights are much brighter and a better spread of beam, 3, gearbox is improved and slicker, 4, TFT is brilliant meaning I can actually read the speedo now, 5, Engine is smoother at low speed and no engine surging that I used to notice on the 1200. So would is it worth upgrading from a 1200? The performance difference is not significant, however the improvements make it a nicer place to be but only if you have cash burning a hole in your pocket.
Me and the wife would have jumped at one of these instead of the 1250GS Exclusive we eventually bought when we traded our FJR in. Our problem with the bike was it was very cramped two up. Lovely bike though all the same.
I have its great great great..(continue for 26 iterations) grandfather/mother in my garage. Still ride it as often as possible and still going strong. The upgrades are I know the de rigueur of modern motorcycles but the heart of the machine is still a derivation of the gem of an engine that still beats in my "Scooter". 1993 R1100RS with 240,000+ kms and many more to come. Very hard to choose between the RS and GS for touring, even two up (as may be in your future) as they are both superb at it. Good video, great shots again and Oh look, a white van. Keep the reviews and ride videos coming. Hope your winter isn't too bad such that it precludes all riding, although you still have Spain and the Azores, not to mention NZ (it is summer).
@@TheMissendenFlyer Way to go. Have fun and stay safe mate. If you got to Thailand you are almost here, just have to cross the equator and head south a bit. A BIG bit :-)
I agree that the symetric headlights on all the recent beemers are a 100% improvement, after a test ride in 2012 I loved the S1000RR and was on the verge of buying one but every time I seen the cockeyed look it put me off to the extent that I opted for the Fireblade, though TBH the S1000RR was probably a better bike but IMO looks really matter.
I completely disagree. This new symmetrical headlamp look is the epitome of bland. A little bit Fazer, a little bit Versys (neither of which appeal to me)and now lost its uniqueness. ( I know the XR has the same look).The change could've been justified to me if BMW had cured the wind buffeting problem but by all accounts that hasn't happened. I like the idea of more power and especially more torque compared to the 1200RS but a combination of those headlights and dull colour schemes has put me off.
Another great video. I've had two R1200RS's and now a R1200GS and they are both great bikes but I'm the same as you; it's the price that put me off! My R1200RS with keyless was £14.3k the top spec new one is over £16k! I don't like the NAV posn on the RS but at least you can use the TFT on the 1250. I'm more interested now in the new 2020 S1000XR.
I'm also looking forward to trying the new S1000XR. I did try a new "old" model, and the riding position was spot on, perfect for a taller rider. But after living with an R1250R for a while there's no way I could live with the S1000XR's engine. Just felt like it had no torque, and I kept trying to change up even though I was already in 6th :), but be interesting to see if the new engine in the 2020 is more torquey because if is that could be a contender :)
Nice review TMF, “in the mix” certainly for next bike. I think my RT just has the edge on two up riding though but I’m sure the RS would ride better solo.
Best bike that BMW make in my opinion, (the only thing I’d buy with a beak on it is a duck for the pond). Specced-up it is about 20k which makes it a tad expensive but definitely tempting! Might have to go down the local BM garage in Albi for a test next week. Thanks for that Andy. Great review as always and have a good weekend.
TheMissendenFlyer you’re welcome to call in for a glass of red when you’re around! And it’s good wine.....the ‘dragon’ was in charge at one of the local vineyards! 👍🍷🍷🍷
I rode the 1200 version a few years ago. I found it a hoot to ride but as far a sport touring, it's sporty but only tourish. Touring could be done but a little cramped up position for cross country style riding. Cheers!
The boxer twin has been BMWs unique selling point for many years and continues to do so. Interestingly they are now building an 1800 boxer cruiser engine that looks good in the concept bike I've seen pictures of. Hope you are enjoying Thailand
Love this model. A sensible alternative to the full on sport bike or the full blown tourer R1200RT. Would love to take one for a romp. Is a shame they ditched the weird front suspension setup when they went with the water cooled Boxer. The forks on this thing look awfully raked for what it is and purpose.
BMW do make some excellent bikes, I just don't get on with their pricing strategies. In this day and age you should be able to buy the bike you'd like, without having to go to the options list. Always feel like their just trying to rip you off and squeeze more money out of you.
Ive got an R and was thinking PX'ing for RS. It's a tough choice, I'd say for generally riding around, the R is nicer and easier, and more fun. And the riding position of the R is prob better for taller riders. If you test ride an R, you really to somehow try it with a higher seat as it makes a hell of a difference...
drw1926 sold my RS (‘15) for the R (‘17) - loved it (RS) but just a bit too much of a reach for my short arms, even with risers. Problem solved with the R with the standard seat. Both great bikes tho, no losing either way.
I’m in the market for a “pipe ‘n slippers” sport touring bike, so I may be a tad picky with your review. You say the gearbox is amazing; my experience is that the Boxer’s gear box is decent, but hardly as refined as other manufacturers, and even not as good as BMW’s own R1000’s. That said, most recently I’ve only tapped through the 2019 RnineT’s gearbox, not the newest RS. Relative to other bikes you’ve tested, is the RS’s gearbox really that refined? Is it better than the air cooled RnineT? Does the up/down quick shifter (absent on the RnineT) work as seamlessly as other manufacturers?
I found the R1200RS (a year ago) to be very smooth both up and down provided technique is correct; unforgiving (clunky) if you get it wrong. You must have throttle open when changing up; completely closed when changing down. You're right, though, the S1000RR was silky smooth, next level. I did ask but BMW mechanic was unable to explain why the boxer gearbox was not as smooth as the "S".
PT -Thanks for sharing your experience; most of my (extensive) experience is with the older “half NASA half Massey-Ferguson” Boxers. Compared to the dry clutch days, the newer Boxer’s gearboxes are better but, I also wonder why the new models don’t meet the same standard as their four and six cylinder Beemers (the newer R1000 is butter smooth as is the up/down quick shifter). A mystery, I guess, yet to be explained by the BMW wizards!
I am trying to thin the herd a bit and have had trouble finding a sport tourer that fits my needs. Currently I have a 2017 SDGT but I also have a 2019 MT10. I was hoping to get one bike to replace both. The GT is just too raw, I love the bike but it is unruly around town and not quite comfortable enough for long distance. The MT10 is an amazing handling bike but not quite there for any kind of touring, mostly due to the gas mileage. Does this bike handle well enough to compensate for the MT10 sportiness? It appears to be comfortable for long distance based on everything I have seen or read but will I be disappointed in the power coming off of these other two bikes? Sorry for the questions but these are few and far between right now in the states so I can't test ride one. Cheers!
Well the power delivery is very different on this bike but ultimately it is a very enjoyable machine to ride and comfortable as a tourer I imagine - but it will feel substantially less quick than both the MT10 and SDGT
Test ride one a few weeks ago. First boxer I’d ridden. Sounded like a tractor and think that if ever quick shifters are fitted to tractors, that’s how they’d operate. Very agricultural! Wasn’t impressed and even less so by BMW’s pricing strategy. Think it will be totally eclipsed by the 1000XR.
3 cheers for the Transit connect...haha I had Sprint ST and it was a cracking bike, I was so disappointed when Triumph replaced it with the GT. They then quite rightly pulled the plug. I wish they would bring out a updated version of the ST. Anyway that Beemer looks good but as you say a wee bit pricey.
You must have incredible eyesight with both dark visor and dark glasses in the UK, I am most envious. Anyway the question ... how do you keep your spectacles from misting over? I've tried various methods but most are pretty rubbish.
Have the Air vents open and/or have the visor lifted slightly and not fully closed. I've found some helmets better than others and also bikes with a screen like RS can more problematic because of reduced airflow around the helmet.
Great review many thanks, I personally hate the new iPad style dashes. They look so cheap, like a phone strapped to your bike. I prefer a mix of real dials and a TFT display (like the K1600)
@@markgatward8765 Well I can't vouch for them but in my "first ride" reviews I always do a walk around....this is intended as a slightly different take on the review.
Yep what's not to love about this magnificent machine! Imagine so looking forward to the ride every single day, and then the pleasure of the bike never fails to impress Even years after purchase Like my 1200GS Does this mean I am biased? No, just sheer riding pleasure No, I am not a motoraad salesman! Enjoyed the so-brief mini blast with you this morning Andy
Bike in front before you turned off was a silver st1300.I THINK.Nice bike. BMW gearboxes still sound two clunky.to me.ST1300 probably just as good ,and cheaper.
I have a 1200 GS and the wife says she is very comfy on the back. Is the RS as comfy for a pillion? Also how did you find the different positioning of the Sat nav? Thanks
The RS is a great machine full of modern technology, I have ridden one and everything you say is true, well almost, if offered the choice of BMWs to go touring on I would prefer the GS R1250 shift cam or my R1200 GS, the RS is just a tad towards sports machine than tourer, for me anyway, as they say you pays your money and makes your choice, well done.
I've owned the Exclusive version for nearly 2 months now. Has about 3,500 km on it. Knees are a little cramped at 6'2, but I can still ride all day even though I am old with a dodgy knee.. Rear brake lever is not long enough - have to have ankle at a sharp angle to hit it which has caused me to miss it racing down hills a few times. Now has a Wunderlich extender but that seems a little too long - a work in progress Slight vibration everywhere above about 4500 rpm. Nothing to worry about in Australia as that is way over the speed limit. Ended up putting a set of bar back risers on it - much better, more relaxed arms. Screen is crap. BMW crap Bluetooth system in the TFT & crippled firmware in the Nav VI. Can't have DRL & Low Beam on at the same time - I figure more light must be better. Can't fit more than a postage stamp under the seats. NAV holder should have more adjustment built in - another Wunderlich accessory to fix that. Apart from the above, I love every thing else about it. I traded a VFR1200X Crosstourer for it & couldn't be happier.
Thanks for the real world feedback - as it happens I have my review of the cross tourer coming in a few days and my in depth review of this one - let’s see if you agree with my findings! Cheers...
Quite like the look at these...fancied a sport tourer, but as you say, sport tourers are out of vogue/ fashion....Decided to give a K1300S a try. The same segment, more power, IL4 engine. They just don’t make them anymore, but they do still pop up in the BMW dealer network now and again. Nice top 5. And as ever great video. So key question...would you take this or your GS across Europe?
Great review as always, and thank you. Well, if you never ride off road... and are finding it very comfortable and a delight to ride, that says an awful lot. All BMW's bikes offer various configurations and setups to more or less suit different intended end uses, marketing, and personal preference. From what I can see of it, there isn't a 'bad' bike amongst any of them. Could you take an RS or RT down an unmade road for a short distance if you had to? By unmade, I mean a non tar sealed road, usually dirt surface covered with stones/gravel etc. Because if that is all you might ever do as regards 'off road' then it becomes harder to justify the GS/GSA in my opinion, unless you are really tall and like the extra distance twixt seat and pegs; need a large 25 or 30 litre fuel tank; prefer the top opening aluminium cases, or are simply sold on the looks over and above anything else in BMW's range. But the price you pay, is that the suspension and overall setup will always be a compromise to suit both on and off road, so if you never went off road, as in green lanes, mud, grass, fire trails, etc, your time spent on tarmac would be better utilised handling wise on a bike that's setup for tarmac use, and without the handling and suspension compromises inherent in a dual purpose machine. For me, if an RS or RT could handle short distances on an unmade road, say down to a campsite, that would be all I would ever need; meantime I'd enjoy the superior road riding and handling characteristics for the 95% of the time I was on tar seal, versus compromising that to suit the 10% of the time I might go down an unmade road on a GS/GSA dual purpose bike. Of course personal preference will always come into it, and neither is right or wrong - but I admit I'm more taken with the looks of the R1250RS over most of the other boxer engine bikes in the BMW range - and possibly the best looking of the entire range to my jaded eyes.. Cheers and thanks again for the review - I think you should buy one.. :-)
Perfect timing--picking up my new RS this morning. Thanks for the follow up review.
Ooh congratulations!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Coincidentally to you, I also have a 2014 R1200GS. Red, like yours. Bought it new in Oct 2013. Great bike.
I also have a 2018 S1000XR. Love it.
Top thing I like about this video. The safety strap for the GoPro on the windscreen!
30+ years on boxers, from an r65 to 1200 gs and all in between.
They are so much better now, young fella, roll on the next 30 years!
Another amazing flick from tmf.......thanks!
Thank you Mr. Flyer. Another front runner for the strong possibility of a new motorcycle in 2020.
This looks like the perfect bike for when I'm getting older! Thanks for the video Andy!
I really admire your channel sir. You are living the life, riding bikes without worrying about going to work or anything else. Riding bikes and talking to people about it is one of the best line of work. 👍
It’s certainly the best I’ve found so far!
Thanks Mr flyer. Recently bought one of these on your recommendation. However, have had to make a few mods notably bar risers and clutch line extension. But now I love it. Keep up the good work can't wait for part 2 of wing rescuing the wings!
I just realized that to me....you are the coolest person I know of! Definitely the coolest motorcyclist I know of and someone who I feel is the ideal motorcyclist! You seem to experience and share those experiences in your wonderful videos what motorcycling could be on any of the wonderful bikes you have reviewed. To someone like myself who has and could only as of yet dreamed of such a lifestyle! You dear sir are awesome! Thank you for sharing with us such wonderful content! I appreciate your honesty! Cheers to you!
Blimey....
@@TheMissendenFlyer keep your back to the wall I think.
Another thing about it's handling, is that nothing upsets the chassis. Hit a bump in the middle of a corner? Not a problem, it doesn't even notice uneven surfaces. It tracks and holds the line beautifully. It's truly gotta be witchcraft.
Great bike pity triumph don’t currently make anything you could compare it with 👍
TMF - I have a 2020 1250RS. I have had it for about 2 months and I split riding time between my RS, Street Scrambler and SUV. That being said, I have about 1600 miles on it. What a fantastic bike it is. When I bought my bike it had the low seat, which was replaced with a Sargent Seat and I added the Helibar risers. Those two changes have increased the comfort on the bike. I think you hit all the top 5 points on the bike. The power is so smooth. I love this bike.
Lovely review of a top bike. Looking forward to a review of all the white vans also as a follow up.
Have to say I'm impressed with the TFT's ability to show the speed in KPH !!
Yes. Very remiss of you TMF
You're getting very good at making these vids. Love the intro and the use of the rear facing view. Almost like watching an on the move talk show done from the seat of the bike.
Thanks for the kind comment - appreciated!
I saw this bike "in the flesh" for the first time today. As someone looking for that "unicorn" one bike to rule them all, I'm delighted that the Missenden Flyer had reviewed this. This saves me a bunch of time. Thank you for your dedicated and professional review
My pleasure!
I like your new multi cam production value. Well done.
Yes l own one great bikes agree with your comments. I have had 5 fireblades and it's a good all rounder.
I know twins at work. One was born feet first, the other head first..does that mean they're horizontally opposed twins?
Could mean that they both end up with huge asses and a low centre of gravity! 😉😱
Very good!
Touche’ 👍🏼
The mirrors look like Mr crabs from spongebob 😁👍
It means their mother was walking like John Wayne for a few months.
Just got mine after a year after ordering, it’s well worth it. Did have the R1200RS to keep me company whilst I was waiting though. My number one is it looks good and goes quick, rides smoothly, choice of riding modes, self levelling suspension, can be forgiving, brakes well, very comfortable, hill start assist.........
Yes a lovely bike - why such a long wait I wonder?
Ordered when ‘launched’ last year. As the GS is en vogue and made on the same line it put production back a full 12 months. BMW launched to many bikes at the same time. Due to this plenty of folk of stepped off the RS on to the GS but now want to go back to the RS. The machine is a riders bike. This is now my fourth RS since launch in ‘15. It’s a bike that chooses you.
That screen does a fair bit of wibbling and wobbling at standstill. Lovely bike, thanks again TMF.
I'm enjoying the white van of the day reviews.
He should make it a staple on every episode he goes out for a ride.😁👌
I'm shocked I was expecting No1 and comfort to be in the list you don't like as you are a GS man. A good top 5. I love the Boxxer engine for the looks as much as the smoothness it looks so damn cool sticking out like that certainly better than some engine that's tuck away you can hardly see. I can make 5 things I don't like. 1. Screen. 2. Non illuminated controls 3. Gearbox can be clunky 4.price 5. Sound
My top five: 1.Screen (Why can't they make a decent scree, and take into account wind noise?) 2.Price 3. Sound. 4. Switches appear to be crappy plastic 5. Build quality (going from the two GSs I owned)
@@alanbriggs7177 Coming from a KTM I've been very impressed with the build quality
@@Roger101Watson not got any experience with KTM, but the BMWs don't last well unless you pay a lot of attention to the cleaning. My last GS had rust on some parts of the silencer within a year, and they are buggers to clean.
@@alanbriggs7177 Yeah must admit cleaning around the shock is a pain. I've ACF50 mine so should be better protected as I ride every day all year.
"Dutchman on stilts" LOL, I've been there and that's a hilarious way to describe what you don't need to be to mount the RS! 🤣
I enjoyed this video particularly as I’m seriously thinking of getting an RS next spring. I’m looking forward to your long term view, which I believe will be posted shortly.
Stay tuned Peter - Coming first thing on Thursday morning!
On strength of your first review of the BMW 1250RS I test rode a new one in September. My bike is a Honda Crossrunner (800cc V4) and I have to say I could not see or feel what all the RS fuss is about. The boxer engine is a lump compared to my Honda’s; its build quality wasn’t as good; why are the RS’s body panel attachment screws exposed?; quick shift I could take it or leave it. All very underwhelming.
However I agree about the comfy seat, low centre of gravity and the TFT. I will give it a second chance next year because I’m sure it deserves it, I was just so disappointed by my first BMW experience.
Fair enough!
Yes lovely bike have to say... maybe when I'm old.. 😁
I’ve got news for you buddy....
That is an amazing motor bike. Would truly love to spin that one up and down and back around the Great Smoky Mountains 🏔. And just for fun, do it again. I can see your point......hard to say 5 best, then find faults. Price would be hard to handle. Thanks for bringing that one to us, one can always dream.👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸
Really enjoyed your video you should have your own TV show. Thanks for all your hard work I always look forward to seeing every new video.
Very kind of you Philip! Lots more to come....
I’ve watched countless videos of you and can’t, for the life of me, understand driving laws over there! Especially when you pass a very long line of cars into seemingly oncoming traffic! I had to watch this video twice because the first time I was just watching the roads and not paying attention to anything you said!! Lol 😂
Keep up the great work! I love it!
Thanks!
Thank you very much for your review....might buy one!
Great review and like the zip tie safety measures in case you loose the GoPro😊. Just replaced my GS for one of these. No regrets so far. Just that bit easier to handle being a bit lower. Keep the reviews coming👍🏽
Yes never let it be said I didn’t learn my lesson on the GoPro front!
Thank you for the review, in 2 weeks I’ll be changing my 2019GS to a 2022RS and I’m so nervous as I love my GS… I might regret it but your video is giving me confidence to proceed with the deal… 😅
Go for it!
I've had GS, GSA and now own RS1250. RS for the road is by far the best for roads. Hope to see you at NEC on 24th Andy? Nice one. Cheers, Jon.
Yes would be great to meet you Jon - I’m there from midday, hope I can stay awake! (Will be heavily jet lagged)....
They have good electrics good looking good engine but they still haven’t built a DCT engine which a lot of people would now prefer and some even require to carry on riding with disabilities.
Nice. Surprised value for money wasn’t in there 😜. That camera looks well secured on the windshield. Great stabilisation.
A great bike! Looks amazing! Have fun!
Seriously considering for my next bike. Thanks TMF.
Thank you for posting. Can't wait for you to review the new baby RS from BMW and how it will compare to the 1250 RS. Good riding.
What baby RS? A 900?
Maybe it was just a setting but I found the clutch on the RS to be very heavy.
I also felt quite a bit of pressure on the wrists but that might be because I ride a Multistrada i.e upright position.
Couldn’t agree more with your top 5. Great video. Cheers!
Cheers!
Spent the day sitting on bikes I can't afford at the bike show, deffo need to test ride an s1000r if I pass my mod2 next week. BMW seem to make some wonderful machinery!
Good luck with the mod 2!
My first bike was the R1150RS a much underrated bike and not that popular in the UK (The RT was the bigger seller) but were very popular in the States. Love the looks of the new RS and will probably be my next bike.
Seriously looking at this bike for next spring. Only issue really is whether it’s a bit of a waste as most of my riding is a relatively short commute, but it does seem to do everything 🧐
Great video, seems like a fantastic update!
Cheers Pete!
Great video as usual. They just released the new info on the Yamaha FJR. 2020 will be the last year for the Euro 4 standard FJR’s, according to motorcyclenews.com. I told you that I was waiting to see if they did a color change from the matte phantom blue and if they added anything new. Well they changed the color to what looks like a dark metallic grey. They did not continue with the base model A. I am going to my dealer here in the states next week to put a deposit down for my 2020 model which will be released in March of next year. Needless to say, I cannot wait, but hate that I have to. 😂😔
If it was not for the boxer engine on the RT, I would have probably gone for it. But I just cannot stand the sides sticking out like that. Thanks again for another great video and keep up the great work. Keep pushing Mrs. Flyer to ride and she will become “One of us, one of us.” 😎😂
Just put in my order, you convinced me!
Yes tmf lovely bike looking cold on this ride good review thanks from Danny
It was!
I currently have a VFR800vtec and a 1200 GS and love them both. I wonder if this could be the perfect blend of both. I might take one for a test ride next spring.
Any conclusions???
@@majordelays4909 yes, took one for a test ride and loved it. Perfect bike. I wanted to spec it out to be a bit special with some of the option 719 packs and wheels, but there was a shortage of stock. All they could offer was a standard TE, so I went to KTM and got blown away by the GT.
My friend just bought one so I thought I would check the bike out before it gets delivered Hope I get to have a go on it :)
I sure loved my R1100S. Always thought the non GS bikes were a bit overlooked.
I am bracing for the onslaught of NEC posts, not that I’m complaining, cos I live for this stuff 😇 - hope you’re headed for the Midlands!
Yes I’m American but I have an overwhelming love for Mother England, motorbikes and UK moto journalism ❤️
Mind those sleeping ladies pushing prams straight into traffic! 🤭😥
I’m somewhere much better than Birmingham at the moment! ....so no onslaught of NEC posts from me...
I'm a fan of twins in general and quite tempted by the new RS (except for the price!), but as I'm more lanky than your good self at 6' tall and 33" leg I do wonder if the riding position might be a bit cramped? The pegs certainly felt a tad high when I sat on one, and there's no sign of lowered pegs as far as I can see.
I do wish Moto Guzzi would do a road going version of their V85...
Peter Livermore there is a high seat option whichever should help a bit. I believe it's about 1" taller than the standard seat. And I believe the RS also has a Sport seat option, which oddly is even taller than the high seat.
I'm 6'2 and I recently test rode this bike and I know what you mean, but there is a lowered footpeg kit now on the options lists, it's about £500 but it looks good ! Btw, I own an R1250R, and I was thinking of PX'ing my R for this bike because of it's better wind protection, but I can't help thinking that the R fits me better. (I've got a +30mm seat on mine btw)
tbh, I think a high seat on an RS might make the forward lean a bit too much ?? I'm beginning to think that an R with a high seat is a better option for taller riders..I think I need another test ride on an RS and this time i'll stick my +30mm Wunderlich seat on it, that would be a good test, and if I do that I'll report back :)
They had a low peg option for the '17 1200 although it wasn't much. I've not seen it as an option but will be enquiring when I place my order. Lost my RS to wildlife more than a year ago and am itching to get back on and feeling the new engine.
On my second RS now, both 1200’s cannot fault the concept. May have a sniff at the 1250 on your recommendation.
Good video, really enjoyed it.
Thank you!
I agree with you, and liked your first review of the bike, the 1250rs in my view is a better looking bike with a much improved front end, not quite so sure about the bigger silencer though. Having owned a R1200Rs which was unfortunately written off in a SMIDSY U turn, I have just purchased a new R1250Rs sport. I notice a few improvements over the older model; 1, The side stand is less ‘upright’ so is more stable when parked, 2 LED headlights are much brighter and a better spread of beam, 3, gearbox is improved and slicker, 4, TFT is brilliant meaning I can actually read the speedo now, 5, Engine is smoother at low speed and no engine surging that I used to notice on the 1200.
So would is it worth upgrading from a 1200? The performance difference is not significant, however the improvements make it a nicer place to be but only if you have cash burning a hole in your pocket.
Me and the wife would have jumped at one of these instead of the 1250GS Exclusive we eventually bought when we traded our FJR in. Our problem with the bike was it was very cramped two up. Lovely bike though all the same.
I have its great great great..(continue for 26 iterations) grandfather/mother in my garage. Still ride it as often as possible and still going strong. The upgrades are I know the de rigueur of modern motorcycles but the heart of the machine is still a derivation of the gem of an engine that still beats in my "Scooter". 1993 R1100RS with 240,000+ kms and many more to come.
Very hard to choose between the RS and GS for touring, even two up (as may be in your future) as they are both superb at it.
Good video, great shots again and Oh look, a white van. Keep the reviews and ride videos coming. Hope your winter isn't too bad such that it precludes all riding, although you still have Spain and the Azores, not to mention NZ (it is summer).
Well I'm in Thailand typing this to you and I can tell you the weather is great for riding here (7 hours in the saddle today)....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Way to go. Have fun and stay safe mate. If you got to Thailand you are almost here, just have to cross the equator and head south a bit. A BIG bit :-)
Yes I checked - still a few thousand miles to go...!!
I agree that the symetric headlights on all the recent beemers are a 100% improvement, after a test ride in 2012 I loved the S1000RR and was on the verge of buying one but every time I seen the cockeyed look it put me off to the extent that I opted for the Fireblade, though TBH the S1000RR was probably a better bike but IMO looks really matter.
Agreed
I completely disagree. This new symmetrical headlamp look is the epitome of bland. A little bit Fazer, a little bit Versys (neither of which appeal to me)and now lost its uniqueness. ( I know the XR has the same look).The change could've been justified to me if BMW had cured the wind buffeting problem but by all accounts that hasn't happened. I like the idea of more power and especially more torque compared to the 1200RS but a combination of those headlights and dull colour schemes has put me off.
@@ed.barker7069 It's a matter of opinion ,it'd be boring if everyone was of the same taste.
Another great video. I've had two R1200RS's and now a R1200GS and they are both great bikes but I'm the same as you; it's the price that put me off! My R1200RS with keyless was £14.3k the top spec new one is over £16k! I don't like the NAV posn on the RS but at least you can use the TFT on the 1250. I'm more interested now in the new 2020 S1000XR.
Yes looking forward to seeing and trying one of those...
I'm also looking forward to trying the new S1000XR. I did try a new "old" model, and the riding position was spot on, perfect for a taller rider. But after living with an R1250R for a while there's no way I could live with the S1000XR's engine. Just felt like it had no torque, and I kept trying to change up even though I was already in 6th :), but be interesting to see if the new engine in the 2020 is more torquey because if is that could be a contender :)
If I win the lottery I'll definitely consider one.
Great top 5, Thanks for sharing.
Does the SOS light flash when Carol wants you back home?
😀
Nice review TMF, “in the mix” certainly for next bike. I think my RT just has the edge on two up riding though but I’m sure the RS would ride better solo.
Yes I’d agree with that....
Best bike that BMW make in my opinion, (the only thing I’d buy with a beak on it is a duck for the pond). Specced-up it is about 20k which makes it a tad expensive but definitely tempting! Might have to go down the local BM garage in Albi for a test next week. Thanks for that Andy. Great review as always and have a good weekend.
Cheers Steve (forgot you’re near Albi, love it there....)
TheMissendenFlyer you’re welcome to call in for a glass of red when you’re around! And it’s good wine.....the ‘dragon’ was in charge at one of the local vineyards! 👍🍷🍷🍷
I rode the 1200 version a few years ago. I found it a hoot to ride but as far a sport touring, it's sporty but only tourish. Touring could be done but a little cramped up position for cross country style riding. Cheers!
My local dealer has a relook one with the white frame.... a color you’d have to really love to buy it
The boxer twin has been BMWs unique selling point for many years and continues to do so. Interestingly they are now building an 1800 boxer cruiser engine that looks good in the concept bike I've seen pictures of. Hope you are enjoying Thailand
What I hate about it is the GPS location. I couldn’t imagine a worse spot to choose to mount it.
The BMW innovative design and engineering is exceeded only by your innovative use of a cable tie to hold the camera in place :)
I’ve learned through experience Phil!
Love this model. A sensible alternative to the full on sport bike or the full blown tourer R1200RT.
Would love to take one for a romp.
Is a shame they ditched the weird front suspension setup when they went with the water cooled Boxer. The forks on this thing look awfully raked for what it is and purpose.
BMW do make some excellent bikes, I just don't get on with their pricing strategies. In this day and age you should be able to buy the bike you'd like, without having to go to the options list. Always feel like their just trying to rip you off and squeeze more money out of you.
If BMW could get away with it they’d charge you extra for the ‘rotating forward motion Pro’ package.
Wheels.
Well if u ever decide to buy a bmw car, that experience will feel very familiar too as far as options to get what u want
Foot pegs a bit high for tall dudes or if you have bad knees
Anybody know why the 'K' series engine fell out off flavour?
The SOS button that doesn’t work. Mine shows continual faults.
'Hello Andy, now I'm just waiting for the RS vs. R vid to help me finalise my decision. Cheers!
Ive got an R and was thinking PX'ing for RS. It's a tough choice, I'd say for generally riding around, the R is nicer and easier, and more fun. And the riding position of the R is prob better for taller riders. If you test ride an R, you really to somehow try it with a higher seat as it makes a hell of a difference...
drw1926 sold my RS (‘15) for the R (‘17) - loved it (RS) but just a bit too much of a reach for my short arms, even with risers. Problem solved with the R with the standard seat. Both great bikes tho, no losing either way.
@@gregcnz3301 Thanks for the input. May I ask your height? I'm 6'1"/186cm.
drw1926 I’m a giant .. 5’7” (170cm) 😂😂😂
BMW are making a great range of bikes at the moment.
Is there a lot of glare on the satnav in the position it's in? It looks like an awkward position. What's your top 5 worst things about it?
Nice,good bike as you say.
I’m in the market for a “pipe ‘n slippers” sport touring bike, so I may be a tad picky with your review. You say the gearbox is amazing; my experience is that the Boxer’s gear box is decent, but hardly as refined as other manufacturers, and even not as good as BMW’s own R1000’s. That said, most recently I’ve only tapped through the 2019 RnineT’s gearbox, not the newest RS. Relative to other bikes you’ve tested, is the RS’s gearbox really that refined? Is it better than the air cooled RnineT? Does the up/down quick shifter (absent on the RnineT) work as seamlessly as other manufacturers?
I found the R1200RS (a year ago) to be very smooth both up and down provided technique is correct; unforgiving (clunky) if you get it wrong. You must have throttle open when changing up; completely closed when changing down. You're right, though, the S1000RR was silky smooth, next level. I did ask but BMW mechanic was unable to explain why the boxer gearbox was not as smooth as the "S".
PT -Thanks for sharing your experience; most of my (extensive) experience is with the older “half NASA half Massey-Ferguson” Boxers. Compared to the dry clutch days, the newer Boxer’s gearboxes are better but, I also wonder why the new models don’t meet the same standard as their four and six cylinder Beemers (the newer R1000 is butter smooth as is the up/down quick shifter). A mystery, I guess, yet to be explained by the BMW wizards!
Waaay better than the air cooled r9t gearbox wise imo....
That’s going to be my next BMW 👍👍
Think you should widen your scope and do a van demo, new Vauxhall Vivaro is good, I work for them sure can set a demo up
Send me a mail!
I am trying to thin the herd a bit and have had trouble finding a sport tourer that fits my needs. Currently I have a 2017 SDGT but I also have a 2019 MT10. I was hoping to get one bike to replace both. The GT is just too raw, I love the bike but it is unruly around town and not quite comfortable enough for long distance. The MT10 is an amazing handling bike but not quite there for any kind of touring, mostly due to the gas mileage. Does this bike handle well enough to compensate for the MT10 sportiness? It appears to be comfortable for long distance based on everything I have seen or read but will I be disappointed in the power coming off of these other two bikes? Sorry for the questions but these are few and far between right now in the states so I can't test ride one. Cheers!
Well the power delivery is very different on this bike but ultimately it is a very enjoyable machine to ride and comfortable as a tourer I imagine - but it will feel substantially less quick than both the MT10 and SDGT
Test ride one a few weeks ago. First boxer I’d ridden. Sounded like a tractor and think that if ever quick shifters are fitted to tractors, that’s how they’d operate. Very agricultural! Wasn’t impressed and even less so by BMW’s pricing strategy. Think it will be totally eclipsed by the 1000XR.
Fair enough!
I looked over one in the dealer this week. In Australia, $28,000 ride away. That is an awful lot of cash.
3 cheers for the Transit connect...haha
I had Sprint ST and it was a cracking bike, I was so disappointed when Triumph replaced it with the GT. They then quite rightly pulled the plug. I wish they would bring out a updated version of the ST.
Anyway that Beemer looks good but as you say a wee bit pricey.
Yes I loved the ST I must say....
You must have incredible eyesight with both dark visor and dark glasses in the UK, I am most envious.
Anyway the question ... how do you keep your spectacles from misting over?
I've tried various methods but most are pretty rubbish.
Have the Air vents open and/or have the visor lifted slightly and not fully closed. I've found some helmets better than others and also bikes with a screen like RS can more problematic because of reduced airflow around the helmet.
I use a pin lock and make sure any helmet chin curtains are removed....not breathing also helps!
Great review many thanks, I personally hate the new iPad style dashes. They look so cheap, like a phone strapped to your bike. I prefer a mix of real dials and a TFT display (like the K1600)
I tend to agree! .....but if you must have a TFT, the BMW one is pretty darn good.....
A look around the bike before the ride would be nice !
If you checked out my previous "first ride" video on the bike you can see a full walk around and overview of the spec etc....
@@TheMissendenFlyer i watch all your vids, I find most vids do not show the bikes, and I am talking about Richy, Teapotone, and lambchoprides ect...
@@markgatward8765 Well I can't vouch for them but in my "first ride" reviews I always do a walk around....this is intended as a slightly different take on the review.
The two bikes in Old Amersham were a Triumph Sprint ST and a Honda ST1300 Pan European. How do I know? It was me!
Nice one!
Yep what's not to love about this magnificent machine! Imagine so looking forward to the ride every single day, and then the pleasure of the bike never fails to impress Even years after purchase Like my 1200GS Does this mean I am biased? No, just sheer riding pleasure No, I am not a motoraad salesman! Enjoyed the so-brief mini blast with you this morning Andy
Cheers Robert!
Bike in front before you turned off was a silver st1300.I THINK.Nice bike.
BMW gearboxes still sound two clunky.to me.ST1300 probably just as good ,and cheaper.
Compared to the 2021 Hayabusa? I’m planning to replace my GSX-1000 s next winter
That is nothing like the Ford Galaxy that we had stateside at one time. 😁
Same thoughts. 🤔
love the bike hate the price, nice review
I have a 1200 GS and the wife says she is very comfy on the back. Is the RS as comfy for a pillion?
Also how did you find the different positioning of the Sat nav?
Thanks
The RS is a great machine full of modern technology, I have ridden one and everything you say is true, well almost, if offered the choice of BMWs to go touring on I would prefer the GS R1250 shift cam or my R1200 GS, the RS is just a tad towards sports machine than tourer, for me anyway, as they say you pays your money and makes your choice, well done.
Cheers Derek....
I've owned the Exclusive version for nearly 2 months now. Has about 3,500 km on it.
Knees are a little cramped at 6'2, but I can still ride all day even though I am old with a dodgy knee..
Rear brake lever is not long enough - have to have ankle at a sharp angle to hit it which has caused me to miss it racing down hills a few times. Now has a Wunderlich extender but that seems a little too long - a work in progress
Slight vibration everywhere above about 4500 rpm. Nothing to worry about in Australia as that is way over the speed limit.
Ended up putting a set of bar back risers on it - much better, more relaxed arms.
Screen is crap.
BMW crap Bluetooth system in the TFT & crippled firmware in the Nav VI.
Can't have DRL & Low Beam on at the same time - I figure more light must be better.
Can't fit more than a postage stamp under the seats.
NAV holder should have more adjustment built in - another Wunderlich accessory to fix that.
Apart from the above, I love every thing else about it.
I traded a VFR1200X Crosstourer for it & couldn't be happier.
Thanks for the real world feedback - as it happens I have my review of the cross tourer coming in a few days and my in depth review of this one - let’s see if you agree with my findings! Cheers...
Wait for the 1800 boxer. Hope all goes well. John from Sooke
Quite like the look at these...fancied a sport tourer, but as you say, sport tourers are out of vogue/ fashion....Decided to give a K1300S a try. The same segment, more power, IL4 engine. They just don’t make them anymore, but they do still pop up in the BMW dealer network now and again. Nice top 5. And as ever great video. So key question...would you take this or your GS across Europe?
Great review as always, and thank you.
Well, if you never ride off road... and are finding it very comfortable and a delight to ride, that says an awful lot.
All BMW's bikes offer various configurations and setups to more or less suit different intended end uses, marketing, and personal preference. From what I can see of it, there isn't a 'bad' bike amongst any of them.
Could you take an RS or RT down an unmade road for a short distance if you had to?
By unmade, I mean a non tar sealed road, usually dirt surface covered with stones/gravel etc. Because if that is all you might ever do as regards 'off road' then it becomes harder to justify the GS/GSA in my opinion, unless you are really tall and like the extra distance twixt seat and pegs; need a large 25 or 30 litre fuel tank; prefer the top opening aluminium cases, or are simply sold on the looks over and above anything else in BMW's range.
But the price you pay, is that the suspension and overall setup will always be a compromise to suit both on and off road, so if you never went off road, as in green lanes, mud, grass, fire trails, etc, your time spent on tarmac would be better utilised handling wise on a bike that's setup for tarmac use, and without the handling and suspension compromises inherent in a dual purpose machine.
For me, if an RS or RT could handle short distances on an unmade road, say down to a campsite, that would be all I would ever need; meantime I'd enjoy the superior road riding and handling characteristics for the 95% of the time I was on tar seal, versus compromising that to suit the 10% of the time I might go down an unmade road on a GS/GSA dual purpose bike.
Of course personal preference will always come into it, and neither is right or wrong - but I admit I'm more taken with the looks of the R1250RS over most of the other boxer engine bikes in the BMW range - and possibly the best looking of the entire range to my jaded eyes..
Cheers and thanks again for the review - I think you should buy one.. :-)
Thank you for taking the time to write that lot!
Do you prefer the bmw 1200GS or the Tiger Triumph 1200 explorer? Why? Thanks
BMW - Feels so much lighter and agile both when riding and when moving around on the driveway....1200 Explorer feels very top heavy to me....
The windshield is shaking, but the video is stable. Good job, gopro!
Yes great the gopro stabilisation isnt it...