DSLRs have two advantages - one currently, one always Currently: You can get a bargain as people switch to Mirrorless Always: You get the "I'm a photographer" clicky shutter sound
I shoot professionally with a Canon 5D2 and while there's no doubt that mirrorless cameras have certain advantages over DSLRs the price difference is too much for me to justify buying one. Case in point, an R5 is $5000 in Canada, but the pictures coming out of the R5 aren't that much better than the ones from a 5D2. The difference isn't worth five grand.
I use a 5D Mk IV and 98% of what I shoot are product and portrait photos in studio with strobes, so mirrorless would not offer me much of a useful upgrade. If the R5 did not require all new lenses to take full advantage of it's abilities, I probably would have upgraded, but to replace my camera and EF lenses would be over $10,000 and I doubt I would notice any difference.
The main difference from what I understand is the weight issue mirrorless is smaller and lighter. I used to use a 5dmk2 and loved it except for the size and weight.
I'm a retired professional photographer from 1976-2007. Obviously all film. Near the end of that run I was doing some shooting for a website with early digital so I did use that a lot near the end of that professional photography (paid full time). I did get an early DSLR in 2008. It exceeded my expectations. My career shifted to I.T. in 2007 so I made the transition. This past year I updated my 6 megapixel DSLR to 24.2. Doing a 4x resolution upgrade was nice. The camera was from 2012 so I get it for $150. I had all the tools to refurbish it myself and I did. Mirrorless wasn't what I wanted because I had an 18-200mm lens I wanted to keep using. Were there drawbacks? Not for an old retired photographer (2018). Funny thing is the old camera still can be used for stuff online, so I probably didn''t need it but at least I can do a decent enlargement now.
I get that. I’ve been a little conflicted about using mirrorless. For the price of my full frame mirrorless body, I could’ve gotten a whole rig consisting of two Nikon D750 and a bunch of fantastic primes. It does get you thinking... and for me because I wear glasses, close focusing strains my eyes. That is a factor with EVFs, but not OVFs.
There is a lot to like about dslrs! Especially the battery life :-). After all it is all about personal preferences. I enjoy the old cameras more and because it‘s not that easy with dslrs I put more efforts into my shots resulting in better images. And if the results matter there is no need to go all in into latest and greatest for me. And if I miss a shot - so what. I also don’t want spend a fortune on new glass.
@@diegodiversTrue. If I hired a photographer and knew from their portfolio that they deliver great results, and they show up with an older Canon or Nikon, I’d be like "oh, I didn’t expect that, but cool!"
I'm hesitating between mirrorless and DSLR. I find mirrorless almost feels like those midlevel cameras that were always mirrorless such as the Fuji S7000 that I changed for a Nikon D70 and that I enjoyed very much. Now I'm having NikonD5300 and z50. A difficult decision as I hesitate between a z 24-200mm lens or a nikkor af-p 70-300mm FX. This will decide my future direction, including when upgrading my camera.
A good time to buy a DSLR if you're new to photography, and want to find out if it's something you enjoy. Grab a great used DSLR at a fraction of the original price. If you end up disliking it, can resell without taking a hit like you probably would with a mirrorless.
I shot professionally from 1976-2007. Film DSLRs, including 6x6. It's always been kind of cool the use DSLRs since my career pivoted a bit. So I'm "old" to photography but I find DSLRs feel more like "home".
The same works with mirrorless too mostly. You still have be careful though not to switch from APS-C to full frame because then that might be true and you could take a hit.
I use a DSLR since it was a cheaper option and I just started my photography journey a year ago. When I used my friends mirrorless camera, it wasn’t as overwhelming as it probably would have been if I just started on it immediately. Definitely shooting in Manuel mode on the dslr, has helped me improve within a year since I have to adjust things constantly for landscapes.
I am like you, when shooting with a DSLR camera it makes me think more about the parameters, because when looking through the OVF viewfinder I cannot know the exact results after shooting like when looking through the EVF viewfinder. That makes me more inspired to take photos.
I have been a photographer since 2011, and have owned many different cameras. The latest are Canon R5 R6 and R10. Although the latest and greatest cameras are good and have extra features many of my favorite shots were taken with anything from micro four thirds to Sony rx100. When I look over the years there’s not a big difference in the real world between cameras. It’s more about the subject, lighting, and the emotion involved.
I am a photography beginner and I've been using a point and shoot (Canon PowerShot S110) for half a year now. I'm honestly fine with it. The resolution is quite limited at 3000×4000 but I don't make money off those photos. What's far more valuable to me is the compact form factor and the fact that I got it used for 80€. I think that if you're a beginner, having a camera be cheap and portable so you'll always have it with you (while it still allows you to learn all the important things) is the most important thing. If you have a really good phone, a camera like the S110 might not make sense to you but I don't care about spending more than 150€ on a phone so I wanted to have a camera in order to be able to capture dark stuff. Because it is so cheap and portable, I've been able to capture many things in situations where I would have never had an expensive, heavy camera on me.
I’ve owned a D700 since 2010. It’s reliable, I understand it’s workings and it produces great images. More recently I supplemented the D700 with a D850. Very similar button layout, wonderful images, plus I already own a very nice compliment of lenses… With the hype of mirrorless some photographers are jumping ship on their completely usable DSLR’s and lenses thus a good selection of used equipment is available to those that could probably never afford as new. Some people just have to own the latest technology to be happy… Just remember, images are created by the person behind the camera, not the camera alone.
This is true of course, but people want new stuff and this is a completely valid point. Just think about it this way, we all spend our money on certain things that are making us happy, some people drink alcohol, others buy cigarettes, people travel, or have an expensive car, musical instruments, so like with anything else you can not look at it only from this perspective, although I look at it the same as you.
Yes you should. I bought a 5D MK1 with a 50mm F1.4 for $150USD! In fact, I have used it for a couple paid gigs despite having a whole kit of pro mirrorless at home 😂
I shoot pentax k1 and k3 both dslr for professional use, I do have their mirroless that I use for vacation travel. When I do astro photography it is much easier to focus and compose on stars using the dslr because it can be difficult and near impossible to see dim stars and nebula on a evf or live screen. Also mirror less is constantly using the sensor so it introduces a lot of heat which leads to noise in astrophotog
Dead? Well, no. I'll still shoot my DSLR as long as it keeps working. Not against mirrorless it's just that they are out of my price range. At 73, I really do not need to upgrade.... I won't live long enough to justify it.
What an awesome video!! Great to hear you don't think DSLRs are totally dead! I shoot on both but have been thinking about upgrading my daily shooter from a DSLR to a mirrorless so this was super helpful! Thank you.
The man said the 5D3’s screen is trash yes. Wow. Funny cause I had a Sony A7iii and when doing engagement shoots I was always ashamed to show my clients the back of that camera. I once showed a couple the a7iii and the 5D 3 during a session and they instantly gravitated towards the photo on the 5D. Literally the first time I’ve heard someone trash the 5D3’s screen.
As an event photographer, DSLR is still my choice for most jobs where absolute silence is not required. Nothing beats the tactile feel of a full mechanical shutter. And the battery life on mirrorless is yet to catch up. As for studio shooting with flash, I turn off 'Apply settings to live view' anyway. So the advantages of mirrorless are highly minimized.
This is great video for people that are hesitant about switching or overall just getting a camera to start their journey. I like how you have been posting really relevant but surprising videos lately, like, I wouldn't have thought of this, but it sure is amazing to be able to share it with someone who might ask!
I've had my R6 for almost 2 years and I'm still not as into it as I was my 5D Mark 3. It takes great images. But the autofocus is still not as consistent as a DSLR. It's nicer for focusing on eyeballs with like an 85. But it just feels like a computer trying to figure out focus instead of actually focusing. The 5D Mark 3 feels like an actual tool. For the R6 feels like it's an extension of the iPhone with a nicer lens. Shooting action is way easier on a DSLR. There's lag with an electronic viewfinder and the shutter is way harder to control when shooting action on mirrorless. It may not seem like it. But the lag and delay of the electronic viewfinder is significant with fast action.
6:55 Don't forget DSLR's do have an exposure meter in the viewfinder to help with dialing in exposure, but of course it's not always completely accurate.
Correct. The exposure meter does a great job usually but for those that like to expose by eye and dial it in perfectly the mirrorless cameras (especially with features like zebras) do it efficiently.
You're splitting hairs if you think a mirrorless camera is better than a DSLR. The new lenses and absolute silent shooting are the only reasons I'd buy one.
I use my gear extensively for casual shoots, so the biggest plus of mirrorless to me is the small size and weight of the body and lenses. My Fuji XT30 is about ½ the size and weight of a DSLR with similar capabilities, and so I bring out very often, pairing it with the 18-55 kit or the 27 f2.8. It allows me to capture many memories with splendid photographic quality which no smartphone can match. When I go to event shoots, I pair it with a telephoto or a 16-55 f2.8 as well. Used Fuji lenses are quite affordable but their popular bodies unfortunately do not go down much in price.
When switching from a DSLR (Canon 7D) to a mirrorless (Canon R6 Mark II), one thing I was worried about was the EVF, after all the talk about lagging and unnatural look etc. Now I have to say the technology made a lot of progress since the early days; now it's perfectly fine for me and the "exposure simulation" mode is in fact very useful in low light conditions (extremely so when shooting night sky). The only problem for me so far is that it's harder to recognize the right position of a polarizing filter as the EVF compensates for the brightness changes caused by rotating the filter so I have to focus on contrast changes which is a bit harder. On the other hand, the option to have a level indicator and histogram in EVF before taking the shot is something I something I would really miss at times if I had to switch back.
I think about some of the greatest photos ever taken by photographers who knew how to setup the camera to get the proper exposure without all things a camera has today.
Crazy to think DSLR is that old we have new photographers who never used one.. I see 5D4 for bargain prices but will continue to reminisce for now about how good it was looking through the mirror box.
I shoot with both, and I can say that mirrorless is like playing with cheats on in a video game. I shot with the R6 for quite a while, and while the results are good (great autofocus), it didn't make me want to actively pick up the camera to go out and do a shoot with. Compared to the backbreaker DSLR Canon 1DX (that I got for crazy cheap used when the mirrorless boom started) as a daily before getting the R6, it felt rewarding to get a good shot in a DSLR vs in a mirrorless for me. when I got my fuji x100s, it kind of rekindled my passion for photography. I exclusively use the rangefinder on the fuji and rarely use the evf on it. It's so much fun shooting with a camera that lets you F up (of course not in a professional setting, I'd use the R6 all day with paid shoots) than with something that just holds your hand the entire shoot. edit: x100S not V.
Creativity first, lenses and lastly camera. Obviously mirrorless is the present and future. But just talking about photography, in my opinion, a dslr with good optics will always be a good option. Thanks for the video. Greetings
Coming from the canon 5Dsr and moving to the R5. I found my rate of improvement increased so much by being able to see exactly what my photo would look like before I took it. at the time of the 5Dsr I only been professional for about a year or so... so I was still learning many things. But going mirrorless is a great option for anyone learning the trade. Also the FV mode which I still use for many of my high paying fashion shoots which is basically manual with selective auto in my opinion... has been a great tool for me with the R5 and R6.
They're cheap partly because 2nd hand gadgets tend to be cheaper the older they are. It's also worth noting though that camera companies offer repair services for their cameras for a limited number of years, and official support becomes less reliable as the stock of spare parts is depleted. Probably not a big deal for hobbyists, but longer repair times can be a concern to those who shoot professionally.
Got a steal of a deal for a pentax k-50. Dslr im using vintage lenses free or cheap. First day out shooting my niece and nephew's bday. 90% success on photos. Also picked up 2 35mm as well the k1000 and me super. This camera has outperformed for me sofar.
*In a nutshell* DSLR reached it's perfection over genrations. Mirrorless added a few bells and wistles at a cripling cost. Canon sales has per unit plumitted against second hand DSLR sales. Canon has created a mega rich clientel, let's see how that works out?
Shooting weddings on DSLRs led me to carpel tunnel 😂 BUT I am honestly so glad I learned on a DSLR just for the simple fact that I really had to hone in on how to create a beautiful image in manual mode with no help from the camera. I think that’s really valuable as a photographer and I feel like the next generation of photographers will find the new technology to be a bit of a crutch-just my opinion. I’ve never shot on a mirrorless, but I am thrilled about the idea of great autofocus!! I have a Canon 6D and am getting back into photography after an extended break… it’s a whole new world. And deciding what to upgrade to has been so hard. lol This video was really helpful, though!!
Balanced comparison, Mitch. Started digital w/point and shoot “rangefinder” after long time w/film rangefinder and SLR as well as Twin Lens Reflex. Each type has its own strengths and limitations. “What you see is what you get” of mirrorless is what sold me on that style. Minor point about depth of field. Don’t most DSLRs have a DoF “preview” button that you must press to invoke DoF? DoF also an optional view on mirrorless (e.g., effects on/off). Very small text in vid addresses DoF. BTW, talking head segment much improved w/microphone “out of hand” and out of frame.😊 Cheers!
Always was on the "bigger is better" side, ended in mold inside my decade-lasting Canon L-class lenses in the end, because with age and different priorities I was just getting too lazy, especially travelling around, to take them out of the bag and bring all this weight around... I loved the "raw" feeling a lot prior. But took this sign of getting stripped away my lenses to give Fuji XT5 with f2 primes a try and oh man - even though the ISO noise is something that concerns me a bit, coming from full-frame.... this new approach of light weight, always having a camera at hand when going for a hike, sunset or city, in combination with just out of the cam great colour style of Fuji-JPGs, is really sparking up my love for photography again - and this without the need to spend days end on the computer for post-processing. So it took me a while, and there will always be some nostalgia towards DSLR, but the new generation of mirrorless just is too jummy to look away for me.
If you cant find the right exposure with the exposure setting through the OVF just.m putnthe DSLR away and use the newer RF camera body. DSLR will never die.
Pros, surprisingly and for the most part, don't tend to change gear as often as they change their underwear, like many hobbiests. Hobbiests often crave the latest and the greatest, some thinking that new gear will breathe new life into their photography, while others crave bragging rights. Pros, on the other hand, constantly have the bottom line in mind. Constantly buying new gear cuts into that dramatically. DSLR or mirrorless will each produce fantastic results in the right hands.
A small detail, which bothers me on OVF, although I do like OVF more: you typically DON'T see the actual depth of field. Or thinnest, as the DSLRs usually open the aperture fully. Common OVF screen is made with microlenses which make it even brighter, the tradeoff is that you see the DOF at max about f/2.8 even if faster lens is mounted. For some cameras, replacement "darker, but more faithful" screens are available. EVF doesn't have this, you see the f/1.2 DOF straight in the viewfinder.
@@MitchLally That's not what I said. Put on some nice fast glass, say f/1.2, and try that button from wide open to smaller apertures, and typically you'd see the DOF effect of that preview button past f/2.8. Unless of course you have one of those less common screens, like "Super Precision Matte" for Canon 1/5/xxD series (other brands may have other, I only know Canon).
APS-C users have the most to gain with significantly better focusing. I went from a Nikon D5300 to a Z fc (still using my F Mount lenses). It's a no contest for performance.
Not true, it depends on your processor and AF technology... your comment kind of makes no sense when you say APS-C users are better of in its focusing while comparing two crop sensor cameras,
@@abfutrell we need more info, like what specific cameras are you talking about and basing this opinion off of? because I have FF, Crop and MFT systems and I see no difference in focusing with any of them unless they are of the older tech (close to a decade or so) variety. It kind of sounds like user error could be at play, this is why you need to include more context.
@@abfutrell did you read my first reply/question? Read it again.... you claim that APS-C shooters have an advantage in focusing. You then say you went from the D5300 to the Zfc {Those are BOTH APS-C cameras you know}. It sounds like you're making a claim that APS-C are better in focusing than other formats. Either you mis-spoke or made a typo somewhere, either way you made NO sense.
To me the mirrorless cameras are good but new are not better is getting g the shot. I have been shooting for 50 years and getting the shot is more important.
I almost almost pulled the trigger on a Nikon DF but it’s 10 years old and I wasn’t sure if Nikon would even service it if necessary. Thankfully the ZF is here!
I shoot mirrorless (apart from my film cameras, haha). But there is one single thing I prefer about SLRs: because of the glasses I wear, close focusing strains my eyes. That makes using an EVF less comfortable to use than an OVF. I don’t notice it a whole lot during a shoot because I’m so focused on shooting, but every time I pick up an SLR, I can’t help but notice that I feel more connected to the scene in front of me by looking through the OVF. In the end though, the advantages of mirrorless cameras outweigh my personal eye situation. The way I focus (track & recompose) simply doesn’t exist on SLRs and for anything semi fast paced, I would miss shots a lot more by either moving around the focus point and using AF-C or focusing and recomposing using AF-S. It’s just a different world of focusing.
@@rickbiessman6084 I think it depends on the implementation? It does work for me on my Fuji XT-20. I can adjust the diopter when I wear my glasses (slight myopia so I can choose not to wear them) and have a higher eyepoint by adjusting the diopter.
The d850 is a dslr and no mirrorless FF camera has yet to beat its dynamic range..So when you refer to dynamic range I think you should emphasize 'Canon dslrs'.. Nikon dslrs have very good dynamic range from d600, d750, d800/810/800e and the best of all in terms of DR is the d850...
one thing that i find interesting is that because the viewfinder on a mirrorless is a screen theres aalways gonna be a few miliseconds of delay, which coming from a dslr it feels a bit janky. im sure this is something youd get used to but for me has put me off using my friends' mirrorless cameras over my own old dslr
Second hand DSLR bodies are a steal now, you can get a 1DXII for around 1000 euros now, its a brick, almost a weapon and its reliable enough for any pro job. I'm not spending tons more money for any mirrorless 😅
There's one more thing you should consider. Mirrorless cameras focus with their sensor. DSLRs only focus with the sensor in live view. Sometimes, a lens will back or front focus on a body. The pro dslrs have focus adjustments but many of prosumer and entry levels don't so avoid those. My d5500 would back focus with my 35mm 1.8 so I could never get eyes in focus below 2.8. Its fine in live view but it's a much slower focus system than the ovf. Keep that in mind if you pick up a used DSLR.
fell in love with photography on a 5D3 back in 2015. Have since owned an a7iv, z72/z9, and R5. Left those systems behind and currently waiting on another 5D3 to arrive in the mail. It's a hugely capable camera that delivers files I have yet to find replicable from the modern mirrorless systems. There is a gentleness, color/tonal quality, and mechanical vignette that really makes the resulting images feel like "photographs". And no, you can't simply mimic those things in post.
i'm just a casual and shoot with Sony a200 and Nikon D60, it takes an okay photos (according to my friend) until when i try to take lowlight photos. but i tried ZV-E10 that i borrow from my workplace for a day and i don't wanna go back to my old DSLR, it's so easy to take a okay pic with that ZV-E10 with fast autofocus, fast burst, and seeing the picture change the moment you change the settings makes everything easier. on my old DSLR i can only use the Viewfinder, and really need to focus to the light meter and it's kinda hard to take a okay photos with it.. but man, i'm glad that i started with DSLR since it kinda improve my sense as a casual photographer!
Jeez, people already talk about DSLRs as if they're some 100-year-old technology that's been out of fashion for at least 20 years. I just bought a D750 and guys, you know what? I'm happy with it... In fact, i'm so happy, i can make money with it, and my clients are fully satisfied. DSLRs won't be dead, for the next 15-20 years, at least, manufacturers making people think, that they are dead, by stopping the support and advertising their new stuff, like crazy, that's it.
One of the biggest drawbacks to mirrorless cameras is the sensor can be easily damaged when shooting laser light shows an occasionally images with the sun in the image.
I got a 5D IV and while it took fantastic photos the af felt like a dinosaur compared to the modern eye af/af/tracking systems. I sold it within a couple months and stuck with the latest and greatest af system. It is literally a gamer changer.
I did the way back, from mirrorless to 5d mk4. Cheap, tough, image quality is the same for 99% of the viewers, lenses are now very cheap. I still have a 5D classic which takes great pictures almost 20 years later. We were already taking great pictures 10 years ago at sports events with average AF on 5D mk2 and mk3. No need for more honestly, this is just consumerism.
I’m a newer photographer (18 months) and have a Nikon d3500, I do lots of photography for indoor figure roller skating, and I’m now doing lots of photography for the landscaping company I’m with. I need telephoto zoom lens with f4 or better for the indoor lights. The landscaping company I’m with wants to buy me the lens, they gave me a $3,000 budget, I do all their photography for free. That’s a expensive investment and worry about investing that much into a dslr, do I make the switch to mirrorless? I will upgrade the Nikon to a d500 or maybe a d850, if I stay with dslr. I’m at a crossroad and could use some advice.
When I’m in public, most people i see taking photos are using cellphones. We are back to when I first began shooting part time professionally. I have heard that some wedding families rely on the goofy shots taken by guests and some try to hire pros afterward to “fix” the problems.
My use case isn't that usual, but I like to take extreme macro photographs, tethered to a computer, on a tripod, using a fully manual lens (no focusing motor, no electronic aperture). I shoot focus stacked images by moving the camera forward tiny increments by using a focusing rail. Light at very high magnifications is scarce, to say the least, so I illuminate the subject (the face of a ladybug, for instance, which could fill the frame) by using flash. But obviously I can't see to focus using flash, so I have used secondary continuous light to assist in focusing. DSLR users might not realize this, but when focusing a conventionally automated lens, the aperture only stops down when the shot is taken; it's fully open when focusing. In extreme macro, even bright continuous light isn't enough for focusing easily, and without flash the exposure times are measured in seconds. Vibration can make images shot at such long exposure times a blurry mess (never mind impossible to process as a focus stack). Mirrorless shooting has made this all MUCH easier. I can see to focus on the computer screen, which is hugely brightened by the camera. I set my aperture, take a few shots to adjust the exposure time and flash strength (leaving ISO fixed at 100), then shoot the stack. So for me, mirrorless is a huge advantage over DSLR. That said, I still have and love my old cameras.
I do like the feel of dslr. I currently use mirrorless apsc and the body feels a bit dinky and full frame is out of my budget. But I do a lot of video more than photo so I'll just stick with it
Mirrorless have abysmal electronic viewfinders compared to say, OLED smartphone screens or DSLR prism finder images. While I may appreciate that EVF images dim or brighten with settings changes, that matters little with camera sensors now routinely having 13+ stops of dynamic range. Where EVFs have a distinct advantage is in having no blackout at higher frame rates and video.
SLR and DSLR cameras have been taking amazing photos for more years than you have been alive. When you look through a mirrorless camera viewfinder, you see what the processor has decided for you. This is a fantastic thing for the smartphone photographer and the people that must have the latest kit. When I take a photograph with one of my DSLR's the image I get, is from 50 years experience. That's 50 years of horrendous mistakes and learning from them. Some of my lenses have vibration reduction, it is never switched on. I learnt to use shutter and aperture, I used a tripod, a monopod, a fence post and on one occasion my daughters shoulder. If you want the latest camera (superceded in 12 months) and all of the electronic shortcuts, that's okay enjoy them. But please stop telling us we need to switch our brains off and buy mirrorless.
Biggest bang for potrait buck is still powerful flash (as opposed to continuous lighting). The more power the more options and versatility creating the actual scene. So.... mirrorless vs DSLR is meaningless with flash in terms of seeing what you're doing. If someone is "natural light only" then probably go with mirrorless and also use every possible Auto setting available on the camera and use a subscription based AI post-production with built-in filters to browse through. For me, DSLR and mirrorless are equally great. Because they both do a wonderful job capturing beautiful light... and at the end of the day LIGHT is the key. LIGHT is where to spend more money. (Hint!) MIrrorless and DSLR are both still wonderful once someone understands _that_ . The biggest advantage of mirrorless to me is that it is drastically more QUIET. Not that it is more "foolproof". Although, yes, I understand that is the direction the world travels in. Always.
The limited DR of a "DSLR" is mainly and notoriously a Canon thing. I own both Canon and Nikon DSLR systems and my Nikons blow my Canon out of the water in DR and recovery.
If you’re shooting super fast action and want Autofocus to just hit, without thinking, then yes spend the 5k to upgrade. Otherwise just learn how to shoot.
The technological differentiation is more pronounced in wildlife, especially birds and sports photography… eye recognition, 20fps continuous shots have enabled capturing movements better than previous generation’s DSLRs. Weight of cameras have drastically reduced with the prism going off and helpful when you are outdoors especially in the wild. Does it really impact indoor studio work or even street photography… the answer is perhaps no, and hence not justified for a large number of professionals who remain happy and content with DSLRs and EF/F series lens.
I really think that if you don't earn money as a photographer, you are amateur, DSLR is your best option, specifically Canon and Nikon. The first time I bought a lens immediately i relised this is what makes me want to do more photos, gives me more ideas and eventually this is the biggest concern in terms of money. So Canon EF and Nikon F mount is the way to go, adapters really suck, just stick to one of those mounts and you have multiple of great lens, RF or ZF lens are too expensive anyway and will be too expensive years to come.
These days, used flagship mirrorless on relatifely affordable price are pretty common. I prefer mirorless camera because it's lighter. That said, if you are looking for a more compact setup, don't just think in term of "DSLR vs mirrorless". Consider picking smaller format, like APSC or M43. The weight/size difference between a FF DSLR and mirrorless equipped with a 24-70 is... negligible. But if you are willing to pick smaller-sensor cameras, definitely the difference will be much noticable. I think DSLR is a logical choice if you still also shoot with 35mm SLR. If not, then probably just get a mirrorless. Or hey, just get whatever you can afford.
Good video and thanks for it. I'm new to Mirrorless so I'm looking for as much info about Mirrorless cameras and the differences between Mirrorless & DSLR cameras as I can find. So I appreciate your input. Thank you again, and my journey continues!😎
Took my 5D Mark IV and EOS RP with me to Japan recently. On trips to , Lake Kawaguchi, Matsushima Bay and Yamadera I had both of them with me. I was amazed at how much better the DSLR performed in terms of the quality of photos. Maybe it wasn't a fair comparison but I felt like the added weight (the 5D MkIV is a backbreaker!) was totally worth it
Dang, Really? Well the 5d IV has one of the best image sensors, it comparable to the R5 today. (I personally own one) But I didn't know the EOS RP would suck that 😭
same with dslr actually via live view what are you talking a about? aside from that, when you shoot raw it really differs because the image view from your camera is based on jpeg.
I use a DSLR. They are durable. The low cost high end lenses are fantastic. Also my DSLR has the same sensor as the equivalent mirrorless camera, but is easier to hold onto with a big lens. I plan to stay with this.
One of the main advantages to have learned photography on a DSLR is how to meter your grays properly without relying solely on the realtime exposure of the screen to get the right exposure.
I look at cameras, by looking at what lenses are available, and it makes more sense to buy DSLRs because the lenses are cheap now….I’ve bought 3 DSLRs recently, and I’m not interested in a full frame mirrorless….long live the DSLR
I am still utilizing the Nikon D810 camera 😅 May I inquire if there are any individuals here who also still using D810? If so I would greatly appreciate your candid feedback regarding your experience with this camera and modern mirrorless?
I am a Pro Photographer, I own a 5D Mark IV and a Mirrorless counter part. I cannot find that a mirrorless is better than a DSLR and I have to give the quality of my images to my 5D4. The mirrorless is great for locking on the eyes for auto focus, but that's it. I hope that camera companies have at least one pro and one beginner DSLR in their arsenal being made for the future.
I may just be the last person on earth to buy a brand new Canon 5D MARK IV on 23/4/2024 and for the second time!! 😮 Let me explain. I had the 5Dmk4 with EF 50 mm f/1.2 and EF 70-200 f/2.8 mkll for 7 years and after selling everything around 5 months ago to switch to mirrorles again🤦🏻♂️I came across my all time favourite Canon lens the chunky EF 24-70 f/2.8 L USM on gumtree in its original box in brand new condition “and yes I know what you’re thinking” I bought it straight away thinking it’ll go great with the R6 Mark ll stabilised body🙂 well what do you know, the EVF was the biggest disappointment once again.
I started with DSLRs when I was a teenager, I still think it's a good choice for beginners. But mirrorless is better in terms of size and weight once that starts to matter.
Working behind a screen everyday I enjoy the OVF view finder of DSLRs and rangefinders. I’ve heard some say for wildlife with rapid shots most evfs don’t draw the screen quick enough
Good, balanced assessment. I shoot DSLRs and have never owned a mirrorless. The only times i've had mirrorless cameras in my hands has been when i've offered to take a shot for tourists at some beauty-spot so they could have a group portrait. My only impression, aside from my aversion to having a screen between me and the world, is that all these cameras felt somehow fragile. I'm sure there must be mirrorless that are built like tanks (?), but for the variety of shooting i do, and the environments i'm shooting in, being able to take a physical beating in all weather conditions is a high priority that my lumps deliver on. One thing i'll mention re having to chimp exposures... i do take test shots, but usually that's just to get my eye in for the day. Once i've got the light sussed i find that i can make the necessary adjustments as lighting conditions change - not a remarkable faculty, just a bit of experience in estimating and paying attention to transitions. Cheers from NZ.
If ;you are trying to start up a photography service cheaply, using cheaper DSLR equipment will get you into the game more quickly. I can't tell you how many "pro" photographers start out with APS-C DSLRs. As Ken Rockwell says, "Camera doesn't matter." Ergonomics and ease of use will eventually triumph as you go through the journey. You'll likely need to change hardware as you become more particular with your equipment, at some point. I feel that I really understood my Nikon D750 the best. I must say that I don't understand my Canon RP near as well. Too many menu options!
So the pros are that DSLRs are cheaper, they don't have many features and that they "feel" better? All mirrorless aren't super expensive, many feel really nice and you can learn all those extra features so I really can't see why one would choose DSLR over mirrorless. If you think a mirrorless is too small and light just buy a cage an get a heavy lens.
it wasn't a fair comparison because he compared a new Mirrorless to a used DSLR from 2012. I'm curious of what extra features you mean because newer models are actually pretty similar. The main differences are the size/weight, the battery life (which is better on most DSLRs) and that you're looking through the actual lens on a DSLR which I personally prefer. I don't mind not being able to immediately see how the settings affect the final image. (It can be an advantage for astro photography/long exposure photography too)
I like the instant responsiveness of a DSLR, also battery life as I never turned off my DSLR and it was always ready to shoot. After owning a mirrorless camera there is really no going back to that optical viewfinder. I know we all used to how a mirrored camera works, but it is really not intuitive.
Despite having my new Nikon Z8 mirrorless, I also own my Canon 90D DSLR, 32.5 megapixels, crop sensor with Sigma 100-400mm permanently attached lens for wildlife photography. Now I just got a my second 90D with permanently attached 10-18 wide angle lens for Street and landscape photograpahy. I still love my DSLRs
Personally it shouldn't matter whether it's a DSLR or a mirrorless. Shoot with whatever works FOR YOU. Don't let people tell you that unless you shoot with a DSLR, you're not a professional, because that's total garbage and unfair. If you have mobility issues like me, and you can only handle a mirrorless camera, WHO CARES!!!!!!!!?????? Yeah okay, by some it could be viewed as 'cheating' with a mirrorless camera, but if the result is the same and you learn from the fundamentals from a mirrorless, why wouldn't you shoot with it? Like I said, don't let people intimidate you by saying 'unless you shoot with a DSLR, you're not a professional'.
The debate between DSLR and mirrorless cameras remains a relevant and nuanced discussion in the world of photography. Both formats offer distinct advantages, and the choice between them depends on individual preferences, shooting styles, and specific needs. DSLR cameras, with their traditional design and internal mirrors, have a long-standing history and established user base. They excel in optical viewfinders, larger bodies, and an extensive selection of lenses. On the other hand, mirrorless cameras, with their compact and lighter bodies, offer benefits such as silent shooting, in-body stabilization, and fast autofocus systems. Both formats are capable of capturing high-quality images and videos, and the decision between them often comes down to personal preference and specific shooting requirements. For many photographers, especially those who do not shoot sports or other high-speed subjects, the choice between DSLR and mirrorless cameras may not hinge solely on the number of frames per second. The ability to produce great images and meet individual artistic goals is often more important than the technical capabilities of the camera. It's essential to remember that the choice of equipment should align with the photographer's artistic vision and the intended use of the images. While technological advancements and the rise of AI in photography may impact the landscape of camera technology in the future, the decision to upgrade to a new camera should be based on individual needs and the satisfaction with the current camera's performance. It's important to realize that camera manufacturers may prioritize sales and marketing, but the value of a camera lies in its ability to fulfill a photographer's creative potential. Therefore, the decision to upgrade to a new camera should be driven by the desire for new capabilities and features that align with a photographer's artistic vision, rather than solely by the urge to acquire the latest technology. In essence, the discussion around DSLR and mirrorless cameras should focus on individual preferences, artistic goals, and the specific requirements of the photographer, rather than being solely influenced by the marketing strategies of camera manufacturers. This message invites photographers to consider the creative aspects of photography and emphasizes the importance of choosing a camera based on its ability to fulfill their artistic vision and specific needs.
The main difference between DSLR's and mirrorless cameras is that DSLR's actually have something that can be qualified as "battery life". Actually, they have lots of it, as compared to mirrorless. Also, what is the advantage you get from being able to see a WYSIWYG image in the viewfinder, if you can see the same just 2 seconds later on the back LCD-screen of the DSLR? Also, i truly prefer to see reality in the viewfinder of a DSLR rather than a fuzzy, altered reality in mirrorless. Lastly, if you buy a DSLR you can get a great range of 2nd hand lenses these days at very good prices.
learning on a DSLR is the way to go in my opinion. And analogy I use often is like learning to drive on an automatic car vs a manual transmission car. The DSLR will not hold your hand. It can do auto exposure, but you still need to be mindful of your light meter, your exposure correction, the metering type you're using. It also doesn't hold your hand when it comes to autofocus. Yes DSLR have tracking focus modes when they are recent or highly specced enough, but you still decide where to put your tracking / focus point. In a way, you do the subject recognition and tracking yourself. On some older models, the lower dynamic range and lower high ISO noise performance means that it's less forgiving when you're processing the images in post and you need to be more careful about your exposure. All of that is largely gone on most moredn mirrorless cameras. You have live exposure, so you just adjust the picture until it looks great. You have subject recognition features that will automatically see an eye, a face, a car, a bird,... and you don;t have anything else to do except keeping those in the frame and press the shutter. When it comest to the exposure, not only do you have a "what you see is what you get" view in the viewfinder and the screen, but you also have (generally) higher dynamic range and better high ISO noise performance so that mean that it's a lot more forgiving in post. You could mess up your exposure by 2 stops and still be able to completely recover your file and not loose any detail (of course that is also a thing with some DSLRs, as the mentionned Nikon D800 (and most full frame Nikons now that I think about it), but it wasn't really the case for Canon DSLRs, especially with APS-C models). I learned photography on a DSLR camera. I am now shooting with a Nikon Z6, and I am of course I love the convinience of the eye tracking, live exposure view and overall better autofocus and DR than what I was getting with my DSLRs. But at the same time, that DSLR training allowed me to be able to use professionally cameras like the X-T2 and the X-H1 for sport and action for more than 2 years without any issues, despite the autofocus system being really lacking compared to other mirrorless stuff, especially on the subject detection features (there's basically none). That DSLR training also comes handy when using my Z6, in case of emergency I can always switch back to a classic zone focus mode and get perfectly fine results with it, if somehow the camera can't see the subject, I can. And in my opinion, getting handy around all camera systems is a huge benefit even in the age of mirrorless cameras. On top of that that also allows to use cheaper equipment while getting the same results. Positives all around
Nikon D700 used, 7 out of 10, low shutter count can be had for $400 or less. Then you can pickup a sigma 35mm 1.4 Art for $300 maybe a 85mm 1.8g for $300. You have a event or wedding starter FX setup for $1k. Throw in a few CF cards a decent camera bag to carry it all around, you are still $1200 in and a killer setup for being a savvy buyer. Ok so you don't like the D700 because 12MP feels like not enough, well the Nikon D800 used is going for around $500 in 8 out of 10 condition again low shutter count. So we are still around the $1200 mark for a 36MP FX pro level camera and two fast primes. For a beginner there couldn't be a better time to grab a good used pro level DSLR and a few fast primes and start making some amazing photos. Mirrorless is great, but you don't have to go $4k into this hobby to get a great setup.
DSLRs have two advantages - one currently, one always
Currently: You can get a bargain as people switch to Mirrorless
Always: You get the "I'm a photographer" clicky shutter sound
I shoot professionally with a Canon 5D2 and while there's no doubt that mirrorless cameras have certain advantages over DSLRs the price difference is too much for me to justify buying one. Case in point, an R5 is $5000 in Canada, but the pictures coming out of the R5 aren't that much better than the ones from a 5D2. The difference isn't worth five grand.
Exactly. I shoot with a 5d mk iv, and comparing the sensor stats on DXOmark and the R5 isn't that far off, in fact very similar to the 5d4's sensor.
@@blanked3 5D mk iv is still a really good camera even by today standard. it already has the dual pixel AF so can be used as video too if necessary.
I use a 5D Mk IV and 98% of what I shoot are product and portrait photos in studio with strobes, so mirrorless would not offer me much of a useful upgrade. If the R5 did not require all new lenses to take full advantage of it's abilities, I probably would have upgraded, but to replace my camera and EF lenses would be over $10,000 and I doubt I would notice any difference.
The vast majority of people who look at portraits or ads would never tell if they were taken with a DSLR or with a mirrorless.@@Jdikmen
The main difference from what I understand is the weight issue mirrorless is smaller and lighter. I used to use a 5dmk2 and loved it except for the size and weight.
I'm a retired professional photographer from 1976-2007. Obviously all film. Near the end of that run I was doing some shooting for a website with early digital so I did use that a lot near the end of that professional photography (paid full time). I did get an early DSLR in 2008. It exceeded my expectations. My career shifted to I.T. in 2007 so I made the transition. This past year I updated my 6 megapixel DSLR to 24.2. Doing a 4x resolution upgrade was nice. The camera was from 2012 so I get it for $150. I had all the tools to refurbish it myself and I did. Mirrorless wasn't what I wanted because I had an 18-200mm lens I wanted to keep using. Were there drawbacks? Not for an old retired photographer (2018). Funny thing is the old camera still can be used for stuff online, so I probably didn''t need it but at least I can do a decent enlargement now.
I love mirrorless cameras because they have made DSLRs and their accessories much cheaper 😂
Yes , exactly lol
Same I’m still shooting on my 6d I brought when it came out. Does the job well. Now a 5D4 upgrade will be cheap as!
@nicholaswirth1011 I still use my Rebel Xsi (circa 2008)! No need to upgrade, not in this economy 😆
that s a good one :)))
😂 I shoot my RUclips vlog on a Nikon D7000 & D7100.
Despite all benefits of mirrorless I went back to the DSLRs. I enjoy It more just makes more sense to me. And battery life is epic.
I get that. I’ve been a little conflicted about using mirrorless. For the price of my full frame mirrorless body, I could’ve gotten a whole rig consisting of two Nikon D750 and a bunch of fantastic primes. It does get you thinking... and for me because I wear glasses, close focusing strains my eyes. That is a factor with EVFs, but not OVFs.
There is a lot to like about dslrs! Especially the battery life :-). After all it is all about personal preferences. I enjoy the old cameras more and because it‘s not that easy with dslrs I put more efforts into my shots resulting in better images. And if the results matter there is no need to go all in into latest and greatest for me. And if I miss a shot - so what. I also don’t want spend a fortune on new glass.
@@diegodiversTrue. If I hired a photographer and knew from their portfolio that they deliver great results, and they show up with an older Canon or Nikon, I’d be like "oh, I didn’t expect that, but cool!"
Same. I think Ill stick with DSLR for now until they stop making them. I’ll buy a D850 right before the end and have my F glass last another 10 years.
I'm hesitating between mirrorless and DSLR. I find mirrorless almost feels like those midlevel cameras that were always mirrorless such as the Fuji S7000 that I changed for a Nikon D70 and that I enjoyed very much. Now I'm having NikonD5300 and z50.
A difficult decision as I hesitate between a z 24-200mm lens or a nikkor af-p 70-300mm FX. This will decide my future direction, including when upgrading my camera.
A good time to buy a DSLR if you're new to photography, and want to find out if it's something you enjoy. Grab a great used DSLR at a fraction of the original price. If you end up disliking it, can resell without taking a hit like you probably would with a mirrorless.
If you buy a used mirrorless you aren't going to take much of a hit on resale either
I shot professionally from 1976-2007. Film DSLRs, including 6x6. It's always been kind of cool the use DSLRs since my career pivoted a bit. So I'm "old" to photography but I find DSLRs feel more like "home".
@@bd048 I hear ya' @bd048! I'm an "Ole Goat" too, but I love the equipment challenges that come along also. It makes photography fun and exciting.
The same works with mirrorless too mostly. You still have be careful though not to switch from APS-C to full frame because then that might be true and you could take a hit.
I use a DSLR since it was a cheaper option and I just started my photography journey a year ago. When I used my friends mirrorless camera, it wasn’t as overwhelming as it probably would have been if I just started on it immediately. Definitely shooting in Manuel mode on the dslr, has helped me improve within a year since I have to adjust things constantly for landscapes.
I am like you, when shooting with a DSLR camera it makes me think more about the parameters, because when looking through the OVF viewfinder I cannot know the exact results after shooting like when looking through the EVF viewfinder. That makes me more inspired to take photos.
I have been a photographer since 2011, and have owned many different cameras. The latest are Canon R5 R6 and R10. Although the latest and greatest cameras are good and have extra features many of my favorite shots were taken with anything from micro four thirds to Sony rx100. When I look over the years there’s not a big difference in the real world between cameras. It’s more about the subject, lighting, and the emotion involved.
I am a photography beginner and I've been using a point and shoot (Canon PowerShot S110) for half a year now. I'm honestly fine with it. The resolution is quite limited at 3000×4000 but I don't make money off those photos. What's far more valuable to me is the compact form factor and the fact that I got it used for 80€. I think that if you're a beginner, having a camera be cheap and portable so you'll always have it with you (while it still allows you to learn all the important things) is the most important thing. If you have a really good phone, a camera like the S110 might not make sense to you but I don't care about spending more than 150€ on a phone so I wanted to have a camera in order to be able to capture dark stuff. Because it is so cheap and portable, I've been able to capture many things in situations where I would have never had an expensive, heavy camera on me.
I’ve owned a D700 since 2010. It’s reliable, I understand it’s workings and it produces great images. More recently I supplemented the D700 with a D850. Very similar button layout, wonderful images, plus I already own a very nice compliment of lenses…
With the hype of mirrorless some photographers are jumping ship on their completely usable DSLR’s and lenses thus a good selection of used equipment is available to those that could probably never afford as new. Some people just have to own the latest technology to be happy…
Just remember, images are created by the person behind the camera, not the camera alone.
This is true of course, but people want new stuff and this is a completely valid point. Just think about it this way, we all spend our money on certain things that are making us happy, some people drink alcohol, others buy cigarettes, people travel, or have an expensive car, musical instruments, so like with anything else you can not look at it only from this perspective, although I look at it the same as you.
Yes you should. I bought a 5D MK1 with a 50mm F1.4 for $150USD! In fact, I have used it for a couple paid gigs despite having a whole kit of pro mirrorless at home 😂
I shoot pentax k1 and k3 both dslr for professional use, I do have their mirroless that I use for vacation travel. When I do astro photography it is much easier to focus and compose on stars using the dslr because it can be difficult and near impossible to see dim stars and nebula on a evf or live screen. Also mirror less is constantly using the sensor so it introduces a lot of heat which leads to noise in astrophotog
Dead? Well, no. I'll still shoot my DSLR as long as it keeps working. Not against mirrorless it's just that they are out of my price range. At 73, I really do not need to upgrade.... I won't live long enough to justify it.
But you lived long enough to be talented and speak above most 🤝💯
Never say that man. You still got a few decades ahead of you. However any camera works
I absolutely agree with you Mark 76yr old still use my first camera Pentax Spotmatic film 1967 plus Nikon D7000
What an awesome video!! Great to hear you don't think DSLRs are totally dead! I shoot on both but have been thinking about upgrading my daily shooter from a DSLR to a mirrorless so this was super helpful! Thank you.
The man said the 5D3’s screen is trash yes. Wow. Funny cause I had a Sony A7iii and when doing engagement shoots I was always ashamed to show my clients the back of that camera. I once showed a couple the a7iii and the 5D 3 during a session and they instantly gravitated towards the photo on the 5D. Literally the first time I’ve heard someone trash the 5D3’s screen.
As an event photographer, DSLR is still my choice for most jobs where absolute silence is not required. Nothing beats the tactile feel of a full mechanical shutter. And the battery life on mirrorless is yet to catch up. As for studio shooting with flash, I turn off 'Apply settings to live view' anyway. So the advantages of mirrorless are highly minimized.
Most mirrorless cameras have full mechanical shutters. Of course you can turn it off to shoot slower shutterspeeds handheld.
Mirrorless have mechanical shutter.
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@@troll2637 Yes. But not the same tactile feel of a DSLR.
This is great video for people that are hesitant about switching or overall just getting a camera to start their journey. I like how you have been posting really relevant but surprising videos lately, like, I wouldn't have thought of this, but it sure is amazing to be able to share it with someone who might ask!
I've had my R6 for almost 2 years and I'm still not as into it as I was my 5D Mark 3. It takes great images. But the autofocus is still not as consistent as a DSLR. It's nicer for focusing on eyeballs with like an 85. But it just feels like a computer trying to figure out focus instead of actually focusing. The 5D Mark 3 feels like an actual tool. For the R6 feels like it's an extension of the iPhone with a nicer lens. Shooting action is way easier on a DSLR. There's lag with an electronic viewfinder and the shutter is way harder to control when shooting action on mirrorless. It may not seem like it. But the lag and delay of the electronic viewfinder is significant with fast action.
I would rather focus on taking great photos rather than trying to operate an antiquated camera.
6:55 Don't forget DSLR's do have an exposure meter in the viewfinder to help with dialing in exposure, but of course it's not always completely accurate.
Correct. The exposure meter does a great job usually but for those that like to expose by eye and dial it in perfectly the mirrorless cameras (especially with features like zebras) do it efficiently.
You're splitting hairs if you think a mirrorless camera is better than a DSLR. The new lenses and absolute silent shooting are the only reasons I'd buy one.
I use my gear extensively for casual shoots, so the biggest plus of mirrorless to me is the small size and weight of the body and lenses. My Fuji XT30 is about ½ the size and weight of a DSLR with similar capabilities, and so I bring out very often, pairing it with the 18-55 kit or the 27 f2.8. It allows me to capture many memories with splendid photographic quality which no smartphone can match. When I go to event shoots, I pair it with a telephoto or a 16-55 f2.8 as well. Used Fuji lenses are quite affordable but their popular bodies unfortunately do not go down much in price.
When switching from a DSLR (Canon 7D) to a mirrorless (Canon R6 Mark II), one thing I was worried about was the EVF, after all the talk about lagging and unnatural look etc. Now I have to say the technology made a lot of progress since the early days; now it's perfectly fine for me and the "exposure simulation" mode is in fact very useful in low light conditions (extremely so when shooting night sky). The only problem for me so far is that it's harder to recognize the right position of a polarizing filter as the EVF compensates for the brightness changes caused by rotating the filter so I have to focus on contrast changes which is a bit harder. On the other hand, the option to have a level indicator and histogram in EVF before taking the shot is something I something I would really miss at times if I had to switch back.
I appreciate how informative this is for beginner photographers
I think about some of the greatest photos ever taken by photographers who knew how to setup the camera to get the proper exposure without all things a camera has today.
BTW I didn’t know how to say DLSR till Mitch taught me ahahaha. But the 5D slaps, should of got that before my fancy over priced Sony when I started.
5d mk4 costed just as much for like 2-3 years ago
6:51 5D MKIII (DLLR) do have "exposure simulation" in live-view that can be turned on.
Crazy to think DSLR is that old we have new photographers who never used one.. I see 5D4 for bargain prices but will continue to reminisce for now about how good it was looking through the mirror box.
Makes me feel old too 😂 just picked up an RZ67 and boy is that ground glass pure magic to look through.
God damn this makes me feel old
I shoot with both, and I can say that mirrorless is like playing with cheats on in a video game. I shot with the R6 for quite a while, and while the results are good (great autofocus), it didn't make me want to actively pick up the camera to go out and do a shoot with. Compared to the backbreaker DSLR Canon 1DX (that I got for crazy cheap used when the mirrorless boom started) as a daily before getting the R6, it felt rewarding to get a good shot in a DSLR vs in a mirrorless for me.
when I got my fuji x100s, it kind of rekindled my passion for photography. I exclusively use the rangefinder on the fuji and rarely use the evf on it. It's so much fun shooting with a camera that lets you F up (of course not in a professional setting, I'd use the R6 all day with paid shoots) than with something that just holds your hand the entire shoot.
edit: x100S not V.
Creativity first, lenses and lastly camera. Obviously mirrorless is the present and future. But just talking about photography, in my opinion, a dslr with good optics will always be a good option. Thanks for the video. Greetings
Coming from the canon 5Dsr and moving to the R5. I found my rate of improvement increased so much by being able to see exactly what my photo would look like before I took it. at the time of the 5Dsr I only been professional for about a year or so... so I was still learning many things. But going mirrorless is a great option for anyone learning the trade. Also the FV mode which I still use for many of my high paying fashion shoots which is basically manual with selective auto in my opinion... has been a great tool for me with the R5 and R6.
DSLR and dslr lenses are way cheaper so the mirrorless equivalents are not worth paying 30 - 40% more at this point regardless of the pros
False. Mirrorless cameras can also be really cheap.
@@muzlee7479 LENSES
They're cheap partly because 2nd hand gadgets tend to be cheaper the older they are.
It's also worth noting though that camera companies offer repair services for their cameras for a limited number of years, and official support becomes less reliable as the stock of spare parts is depleted. Probably not a big deal for hobbyists, but longer repair times can be a concern to those who shoot professionally.
@@seaworth3382 What's funny about this lol
Got a steal of a deal for a pentax k-50. Dslr im using vintage lenses free or cheap. First day out shooting my niece and nephew's bday. 90% success on photos. Also picked up 2 35mm as well the k1000 and me super. This camera has outperformed for me sofar.
DSLR here too, 5D Mark III, the reason being it does whatever I want to obtain the best pictures.
*In a nutshell* DSLR reached it's perfection over genrations. Mirrorless added a few bells and wistles at a cripling cost. Canon sales has per unit plumitted against second hand DSLR sales. Canon has created a mega rich clientel, let's see how that works out?
Shooting weddings on DSLRs led me to carpel tunnel 😂 BUT I am honestly so glad I learned on a DSLR just for the simple fact that I really had to hone in on how to create a beautiful image in manual mode with no help from the camera. I think that’s really valuable as a photographer and I feel like the next generation of photographers will find the new technology to be a bit of a crutch-just my opinion. I’ve never shot on a mirrorless, but I am thrilled about the idea of great autofocus!!
I have a Canon 6D and am getting back into photography after an extended break… it’s a whole new world. And deciding what to upgrade to has been so hard. lol This video was really helpful, though!!
Balanced comparison, Mitch. Started digital w/point and shoot “rangefinder” after long time w/film rangefinder and SLR as well as Twin Lens Reflex. Each type has its own strengths and limitations. “What you see is what you get” of mirrorless is what sold me on that style.
Minor point about depth of field. Don’t most DSLRs have a DoF “preview” button that you must press to invoke DoF? DoF also an optional view on mirrorless (e.g., effects on/off). Very small text in vid addresses DoF.
BTW, talking head segment much improved w/microphone “out of hand” and out of frame.😊 Cheers!
I gave up photography all together. Boy did save a lot of money. 📷📷📷
sounds like a personal problem
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Always was on the "bigger is better" side, ended in mold inside my decade-lasting Canon L-class lenses in the end, because with age and different priorities I was just getting too lazy, especially travelling around, to take them out of the bag and bring all this weight around... I loved the "raw" feeling a lot prior. But took this sign of getting stripped away my lenses to give Fuji XT5 with f2 primes a try and oh man - even though the ISO noise is something that concerns me a bit, coming from full-frame.... this new approach of light weight, always having a camera at hand when going for a hike, sunset or city, in combination with just out of the cam great colour style of Fuji-JPGs, is really sparking up my love for photography again - and this without the need to spend days end on the computer for post-processing.
So it took me a while, and there will always be some nostalgia towards DSLR, but the new generation of mirrorless just is too jummy to look away for me.
If you cant find the right exposure with the exposure setting through the OVF just.m putnthe DSLR away and use the newer RF camera body. DSLR will never die.
They all do the same thing ultimately. Personally I don't like EVF so decided to stick with my DSLR camera bodies.
Select your tools and go shoot.
DSLR til I’m dead!
For shooting stills, a DSLR is a more enjoyable experience for me as ergonomics is very important.
Mirrorless cameras excel at video recording.
Pros, surprisingly and for the most part, don't tend to change gear as often as they change their underwear, like many hobbiests. Hobbiests often crave the latest and the greatest, some thinking that new gear will breathe new life into their photography, while others crave bragging rights. Pros, on the other hand, constantly have the bottom line in mind. Constantly buying new gear cuts into that dramatically. DSLR or mirrorless will each produce fantastic results in the right hands.
A small detail, which bothers me on OVF, although I do like OVF more: you typically DON'T see the actual depth of field. Or thinnest, as the DSLRs usually open the aperture fully. Common OVF screen is made with microlenses which make it even brighter, the tradeoff is that you see the DOF at max about f/2.8 even if faster lens is mounted. For some cameras, replacement "darker, but more faithful" screens are available. EVF doesn't have this, you see the f/1.2 DOF straight in the viewfinder.
Most DSLRs have depth of field preview button :)
@@MitchLally That's not what I said. Put on some nice fast glass, say f/1.2, and try that button from wide open to smaller apertures, and typically you'd see the DOF effect of that preview button past f/2.8. Unless of course you have one of those less common screens, like "Super Precision Matte" for Canon 1/5/xxD series (other brands may have other, I only know Canon).
APS-C users have the most to gain with significantly better focusing. I went from a Nikon D5300 to a Z fc (still using my F Mount lenses). It's a no contest for performance.
Not true, it depends on your processor and AF technology... your comment kind of makes no sense when you say APS-C users are better of in its focusing while comparing two crop sensor cameras,
@@artsilva then why why have my usable photos increased 10 fold? I'm using the same lenses (which are now 10 years old).
@@abfutrell we need more info, like what specific cameras are you talking about and basing this opinion off of? because I have FF, Crop and MFT systems and I see no difference in focusing with any of them unless they are of the older tech (close to a decade or so) variety.
It kind of sounds like user error could be at play, this is why you need to include more context.
@@artsilva Did you read my original comment? I stated my camera bodies.
@@abfutrell did you read my first reply/question? Read it again.... you claim that APS-C shooters have an advantage in focusing. You then say you went from the D5300 to the Zfc {Those are BOTH APS-C cameras you know}. It sounds like you're making a claim that APS-C are better in focusing than other formats. Either you mis-spoke or made a typo somewhere, either way you made NO sense.
To me the mirrorless cameras are good but new are not better is getting g the shot. I have been shooting for 50 years and getting the shot is more important.
I almost almost pulled the trigger on a Nikon DF but it’s 10 years old and I wasn’t sure if Nikon would even service it if necessary. Thankfully the ZF is here!
I shoot mirrorless (apart from my film cameras, haha). But there is one single thing I prefer about SLRs: because of the glasses I wear, close focusing strains my eyes. That makes using an EVF less comfortable to use than an OVF. I don’t notice it a whole lot during a shoot because I’m so focused on shooting, but every time I pick up an SLR, I can’t help but notice that I feel more connected to the scene in front of me by looking through the OVF. In the end though, the advantages of mirrorless cameras outweigh my personal eye situation.
The way I focus (track & recompose) simply doesn’t exist on SLRs and for anything semi fast paced, I would miss shots a lot more by either moving around the focus point and using AF-C or focusing and recomposing using AF-S. It’s just a different world of focusing.
I'm not sure if it helps but have you tried adjusting the diopter on the EVF to increase the eyepoint?
@@BigBenAdvThat doesn’t really work since the diopter adjustment changes sharpness. Not sure it even changes the eyepoint significantly.
@@rickbiessman6084 I think it depends on the implementation? It does work for me on my Fuji XT-20. I can adjust the diopter when I wear my glasses (slight myopia so I can choose not to wear them) and have a higher eyepoint by adjusting the diopter.
@@BigBenAdvWow, you’re right! I just tried it and it does help a little bit! Not perfect, but better, and still sharp enough for me. Thanks man. =)
@@rickbiessman6084 Glad to be of help. Happy snapping!
The d850 is a dslr and no mirrorless FF camera has yet to beat its dynamic range..So when you refer to dynamic range I think you should emphasize 'Canon dslrs'.. Nikon dslrs have very good dynamic range from d600, d750, d800/810/800e and the best of all in terms of DR is the d850...
I don’t think the mirrorless camera have matched the operational speed or feeling that dslrs give you
one thing that i find interesting is that because the viewfinder on a mirrorless is a screen theres aalways gonna be a few miliseconds of delay, which coming from a dslr it feels a bit janky. im sure this is something youd get used to but for me has put me off using my friends' mirrorless cameras over my own old dslr
Second hand DSLR bodies are a steal now, you can get a 1DXII for around 1000 euros now, its a brick, almost a weapon and its reliable enough for any pro job. I'm not spending tons more money for any mirrorless 😅
You’ll get a rough 1DXII for that price, best off getting the original 1DX and getting a really good one
@@Racing_Fox yeah that's actually what I did get in the end..and I'm very happy with my MK1 body
There's one more thing you should consider. Mirrorless cameras focus with their sensor. DSLRs only focus with the sensor in live view.
Sometimes, a lens will back or front focus on a body. The pro dslrs have focus adjustments but many of prosumer and entry levels don't so avoid those. My d5500 would back focus with my 35mm 1.8 so I could never get eyes in focus below 2.8. Its fine in live view but it's a much slower focus system than the ovf. Keep that in mind if you pick up a used DSLR.
fell in love with photography on a 5D3 back in 2015. Have since owned an a7iv, z72/z9, and R5. Left those systems behind and currently waiting on another 5D3 to arrive in the mail. It's a hugely capable camera that delivers files I have yet to find replicable from the modern mirrorless systems. There is a gentleness, color/tonal quality, and mechanical vignette that really makes the resulting images feel like "photographs". And no, you can't simply mimic those things in post.
i'm just a casual and shoot with Sony a200 and Nikon D60, it takes an okay photos (according to my friend) until when i try to take lowlight photos. but i tried ZV-E10 that i borrow from my workplace for a day and i don't wanna go back to my old DSLR, it's so easy to take a okay pic with that ZV-E10 with fast autofocus, fast burst, and seeing the picture change the moment you change the settings makes everything easier. on my old DSLR i can only use the Viewfinder, and really need to focus to the light meter and it's kinda hard to take a okay photos with it.. but man, i'm glad that i started with DSLR since it kinda improve my sense as a casual photographer!
Jeez, people already talk about DSLRs as if they're some 100-year-old technology that's been out of fashion for at least 20 years. I just bought a D750 and guys, you know what? I'm happy with it... In fact, i'm so happy, i can make money with it, and my clients are fully satisfied.
DSLRs won't be dead, for the next 15-20 years, at least, manufacturers making people think, that they are dead, by stopping the support and advertising their new stuff, like crazy, that's it.
One of the biggest drawbacks to mirrorless cameras is the sensor can be easily damaged when shooting laser light shows an occasionally images with the sun in the image.
I went from the 5DIII to the R6 and it's a huge improvement ! On my 5DIII I didn't dare to go above Iso 2500, on the R6 I use iso 10.000 when needed.
I got a 5D IV and while it took fantastic photos the af felt like a dinosaur compared to the modern eye af/af/tracking systems. I sold it within a couple months and stuck with the latest and greatest af system. It is literally a gamer changer.
I did the way back, from mirrorless to 5d mk4. Cheap, tough, image quality is the same for 99% of the viewers, lenses are now very cheap. I still have a 5D classic which takes great pictures almost 20 years later.
We were already taking great pictures 10 years ago at sports events with average AF on 5D mk2 and mk3. No need for more honestly, this is just consumerism.
I’m a newer photographer (18 months) and have a Nikon d3500, I do lots of photography for indoor figure roller skating, and I’m now doing lots of photography for the landscaping company I’m with. I need telephoto zoom lens with f4 or better for the indoor lights. The landscaping company I’m with wants to buy me the lens, they gave me a $3,000 budget, I do all their photography for free. That’s a expensive investment and worry about investing that much into a dslr, do I make the switch to mirrorless? I will upgrade the Nikon to a d500 or maybe a d850, if I stay with dslr. I’m at a crossroad and could use some advice.
When I’m in public, most people i see taking photos are using cellphones. We are back to when I first began shooting part time professionally. I have heard that some wedding families rely on the goofy shots taken by guests and some try to hire pros afterward to “fix” the problems.
My use case isn't that usual, but I like to take extreme macro photographs, tethered to a computer, on a tripod, using a fully manual lens (no focusing motor, no electronic aperture). I shoot focus stacked images by moving the camera forward tiny increments by using a focusing rail.
Light at very high magnifications is scarce, to say the least, so I illuminate the subject (the face of a ladybug, for instance, which could fill the frame) by using flash. But obviously I can't see to focus using flash, so I have used secondary continuous light to assist in focusing.
DSLR users might not realize this, but when focusing a conventionally automated lens, the aperture only stops down when the shot is taken; it's fully open when focusing. In extreme macro, even bright continuous light isn't enough for focusing easily, and without flash the exposure times are measured in seconds. Vibration can make images shot at such long exposure times a blurry mess (never mind impossible to process as a focus stack).
Mirrorless shooting has made this all MUCH easier. I can see to focus on the computer screen, which is hugely brightened by the camera. I set my aperture, take a few shots to adjust the exposure time and flash strength (leaving ISO fixed at 100), then shoot the stack.
So for me, mirrorless is a huge advantage over DSLR. That said, I still have and love my old cameras.
Here in, L.A. C.A at community colleges they still ask for dslr with the 18-55 kit for photography classes
I do like the feel of dslr. I currently use mirrorless apsc and the body feels a bit dinky and full frame is out of my budget. But I do a lot of video more than photo so I'll just stick with it
I like'd my Canon 6D more then Canon RP , but on mirrorless cameras you can wind up (with adapter) rangefinder lens's: Jupiter ; Konica;Minolta..🤔🤷♂
I use both. 5DIII and R5 - the R5 is the work horseI but I will usually put a fast prime on the 5DIII and give myself options.
Mirrorless have abysmal electronic viewfinders compared to say, OLED smartphone screens or DSLR prism finder images. While I may appreciate that EVF images dim or brighten with settings changes, that matters little with camera sensors now routinely having 13+ stops of dynamic range. Where EVFs have a distinct advantage is in having no blackout at higher frame rates and video.
SLR and DSLR cameras have been taking amazing photos for more years than you have been alive. When you look through a mirrorless camera viewfinder, you see what the processor has decided for you. This is a fantastic thing for the smartphone photographer and the people that must have the latest kit. When I take a photograph with one of my DSLR's the image I get, is from 50 years experience. That's 50 years of horrendous mistakes and learning from them. Some of my lenses have vibration reduction, it is never switched on. I learnt to use shutter and aperture, I used a tripod, a monopod, a fence post and on one occasion my daughters shoulder. If you want the latest camera (superceded in 12 months) and all of the electronic shortcuts, that's okay enjoy them. But please stop telling us we need to switch our brains off and buy mirrorless.
Biggest bang for potrait buck is still powerful flash (as opposed to continuous lighting). The more power the more options and versatility creating the actual scene.
So.... mirrorless vs DSLR is meaningless with flash in terms of seeing what you're doing.
If someone is "natural light only" then probably go with mirrorless and also use every possible Auto setting available on the camera and use a subscription based AI post-production with built-in filters to browse through.
For me, DSLR and mirrorless are equally great. Because they both do a wonderful job capturing beautiful light... and at the end of the day LIGHT is the key. LIGHT is where to spend more money. (Hint!) MIrrorless and DSLR are both still wonderful once someone understands _that_ .
The biggest advantage of mirrorless to me is that it is drastically more QUIET. Not that it is more "foolproof". Although, yes, I understand that is the direction the world travels in. Always.
The limited DR of a "DSLR" is mainly and notoriously a Canon thing. I own both Canon and Nikon DSLR systems and my Nikons blow my Canon out of the water in DR and recovery.
Indeed. I have used Nikon and Pentax APSC cameras, which had better DR than a full frame Canon.
If you’re shooting super fast action and want Autofocus to just hit, without thinking, then yes spend the 5k to upgrade. Otherwise just learn how to shoot.
The technological differentiation is more pronounced in wildlife, especially birds and sports photography… eye recognition, 20fps continuous shots have enabled capturing movements better than previous generation’s DSLRs. Weight of cameras have drastically reduced with the prism going off and helpful when you are outdoors especially in the wild. Does it really impact indoor studio work or even street photography… the answer is perhaps no, and hence not justified for a large number of professionals who remain happy and content with DSLRs and EF/F series lens.
I really think that if you don't earn money as a photographer, you are amateur, DSLR is your best option, specifically Canon and Nikon. The first time I bought a lens immediately i relised this is what makes me want to do more photos, gives me more ideas and eventually this is the biggest concern in terms of money. So Canon EF and Nikon F mount is the way to go, adapters really suck, just stick to one of those mounts and you have multiple of great lens, RF or ZF lens are too expensive anyway and will be too expensive years to come.
You can stick your mirrorless cameras where the Sun don't shine (though I do sometimes use a compact LX100) DSLR all the way for me.
I can set a histogram in the viewfinder to check exposure before taking the picture. Nikon Z6 2 and Z7 2
These days, used flagship mirrorless on relatifely affordable price are pretty common. I prefer mirorless camera because it's lighter.
That said, if you are looking for a more compact setup, don't just think in term of "DSLR vs mirrorless". Consider picking smaller format, like APSC or M43. The weight/size difference between a FF DSLR and mirrorless equipped with a 24-70 is... negligible. But if you are willing to pick smaller-sensor cameras, definitely the difference will be much noticable.
I think DSLR is a logical choice if you still also shoot with 35mm SLR. If not, then probably just get a mirrorless. Or hey, just get whatever you can afford.
Good video and thanks for it. I'm new to Mirrorless so I'm looking for as much info about Mirrorless cameras and the differences between Mirrorless & DSLR cameras as I can find. So I appreciate your input. Thank you again, and my journey continues!😎
Took my 5D Mark IV and EOS RP with me to Japan recently. On trips to , Lake Kawaguchi, Matsushima Bay and Yamadera I had both of them with me. I was amazed at how much better the DSLR performed in terms of the quality of photos. Maybe it wasn't a fair comparison but I felt like the added weight (the 5D MkIV is a backbreaker!) was totally worth it
lol, you traveled to Japan. So embarrassing
Dang, Really? Well the 5d IV has one of the best image sensors, it comparable to the R5 today. (I personally own one) But I didn't know the EOS RP would suck that 😭
The real reasons are
1 weight
2 size
3 never missing or out focus again in photo mode
mirrorless plastic crap cost a fortune and they have 6 months life
same with dslr actually via live view
what are you talking a
about? aside from that, when you shoot raw it really differs because the image view from your camera is based on jpeg.
I use a DSLR. They are durable. The low cost high end lenses are fantastic. Also my DSLR has the same sensor as the equivalent mirrorless camera, but is easier to hold onto with a big lens. I plan to stay with this.
One of the main advantages to have learned photography on a DSLR is how to meter your grays properly without relying solely on the realtime exposure of the screen to get the right exposure.
I look at cameras, by looking at what lenses are available, and it makes more sense to buy DSLRs because the lenses are cheap now….I’ve bought 3 DSLRs recently, and I’m not interested in a full frame mirrorless….long live the DSLR
I am still utilizing the Nikon D810 camera 😅
May I inquire if there are any individuals here who also still using D810? If so I would greatly appreciate your candid feedback regarding your experience with this camera and modern mirrorless?
I am a Pro Photographer, I own a 5D Mark IV and a Mirrorless counter part. I cannot find that a mirrorless is better than a DSLR and I have to give the quality of my images to my 5D4. The mirrorless is great for locking on the eyes for auto focus, but that's it. I hope that camera companies have at least one pro and one beginner DSLR in their arsenal being made for the future.
I may just be the last person on earth to buy a brand new Canon 5D MARK IV on 23/4/2024 and for the second time!! 😮 Let me explain. I had the 5Dmk4 with EF 50 mm f/1.2 and EF 70-200 f/2.8 mkll for 7 years and after selling everything around 5 months ago to switch to mirrorles again🤦🏻♂️I came across my all time favourite Canon lens the chunky EF 24-70 f/2.8 L USM on gumtree in its original box in brand new condition “and yes I know what you’re thinking” I bought it straight away thinking it’ll go great with the R6 Mark ll stabilised body🙂 well what do you know, the EVF was the biggest disappointment once again.
I started with DSLRs when I was a teenager, I still think it's a good choice for beginners. But mirrorless is better in terms of size and weight once that starts to matter.
Honestly, a mirrorless camera where you can ser the exposure in the viewfinder is way more beginner friendly
Working behind a screen everyday I enjoy the OVF view finder of DSLRs and rangefinders. I’ve heard some say for wildlife with rapid shots most evfs don’t draw the screen quick enough
Good, balanced assessment. I shoot DSLRs and have never owned a mirrorless. The only times i've had mirrorless cameras in my hands has been when i've offered to take a shot for tourists at some beauty-spot so they could have a group portrait. My only impression, aside from my aversion to having a screen between me and the world, is that all these cameras felt somehow fragile. I'm sure there must be mirrorless that are built like tanks (?), but for the variety of shooting i do, and the environments i'm shooting in, being able to take a physical beating in all weather conditions is a high priority that my lumps deliver on. One thing i'll mention re having to chimp exposures... i do take test shots, but usually that's just to get my eye in for the day. Once i've got the light sussed i find that i can make the necessary adjustments as lighting conditions change - not a remarkable faculty, just a bit of experience in estimating and paying attention to transitions. Cheers from NZ.
There are but I think you would have to buy a Z8 or something heavier. I don’t baby my cameras either but I do take good care of them.
If ;you are trying to start up a photography service cheaply, using cheaper DSLR equipment will get you into the game more quickly. I can't tell you how many "pro" photographers start out with APS-C DSLRs. As Ken Rockwell says, "Camera doesn't matter." Ergonomics and ease of use will eventually triumph as you go through the journey. You'll likely need to change hardware as you become more particular with your equipment, at some point.
I feel that I really understood my Nikon D750 the best. I must say that I don't understand my Canon RP near as well. Too many menu options!
So the pros are that DSLRs are cheaper, they don't have many features and that they "feel" better?
All mirrorless aren't super expensive, many feel really nice and you can learn all those extra features so I really can't see why one would choose DSLR over mirrorless.
If you think a mirrorless is too small and light just buy a cage an get a heavy lens.
it wasn't a fair comparison because he compared a new Mirrorless to a used DSLR from 2012. I'm curious of what extra features you mean because newer models are actually pretty similar. The main differences are the size/weight, the battery life (which is better on most DSLRs) and that you're looking through the actual lens on a DSLR which I personally prefer. I don't mind not being able to immediately see how the settings affect the final image. (It can be an advantage for astro photography/long exposure photography too)
I like the instant responsiveness of a DSLR, also battery life as I never turned off my DSLR and it was always ready to shoot. After owning a mirrorless camera there is really no going back to that optical viewfinder. I know we all used to how a mirrored camera works, but it is really not intuitive.
Despite having my new Nikon Z8 mirrorless, I also own my Canon 90D DSLR, 32.5 megapixels, crop sensor with Sigma 100-400mm permanently attached lens for wildlife photography. Now I just got a my second 90D with permanently attached 10-18 wide angle lens for Street and landscape photograpahy. I still love my DSLRs
Personally it shouldn't matter whether it's a DSLR or a mirrorless. Shoot with whatever works FOR YOU. Don't let people tell you that unless you shoot with a DSLR, you're not a professional, because that's total garbage and unfair. If you have mobility issues like me, and you can only handle a mirrorless camera, WHO CARES!!!!!!!!?????? Yeah okay, by some it could be viewed as 'cheating' with a mirrorless camera, but if the result is the same and you learn from the fundamentals from a mirrorless, why wouldn't you shoot with it? Like I said, don't let people intimidate you by saying 'unless you shoot with a DSLR, you're not a professional'.
The debate between DSLR and mirrorless cameras remains a relevant and nuanced discussion in the world of photography. Both formats offer distinct advantages, and the choice between them depends on individual preferences, shooting styles, and specific needs.
DSLR cameras, with their traditional design and internal mirrors, have a long-standing history and established user base. They excel in optical viewfinders, larger bodies, and an extensive selection of lenses. On the other hand, mirrorless cameras, with their compact and lighter bodies, offer benefits such as silent shooting, in-body stabilization, and fast autofocus systems. Both formats are capable of capturing high-quality images and videos, and the decision between them often comes down to personal preference and specific shooting requirements.
For many photographers, especially those who do not shoot sports or other high-speed subjects, the choice between DSLR and mirrorless cameras may not hinge solely on the number of frames per second. The ability to produce great images and meet individual artistic goals is often more important than the technical capabilities of the camera. It's essential to remember that the choice of equipment should align with the photographer's artistic vision and the intended use of the images.
While technological advancements and the rise of AI in photography may impact the landscape of camera technology in the future, the decision to upgrade to a new camera should be based on individual needs and the satisfaction with the current camera's performance. It's important to realize that camera manufacturers may prioritize sales and marketing, but the value of a camera lies in its ability to fulfill a photographer's creative potential. Therefore, the decision to upgrade to a new camera should be driven by the desire for new capabilities and features that align with a photographer's artistic vision, rather than solely by the urge to acquire the latest technology.
In essence, the discussion around DSLR and mirrorless cameras should focus on individual preferences, artistic goals, and the specific requirements of the photographer, rather than being solely influenced by the marketing strategies of camera manufacturers.
This message invites photographers to consider the creative aspects of photography and emphasizes the importance of choosing a camera based on its ability to fulfill their artistic vision and specific needs.
The main difference between DSLR's and mirrorless cameras is that DSLR's actually have something that can be qualified as "battery life". Actually, they have lots of it, as compared to mirrorless. Also, what is the advantage you get from being able to see a WYSIWYG image in the viewfinder, if you can see the same just 2 seconds later on the back LCD-screen of the DSLR? Also, i truly prefer to see reality in the viewfinder of a DSLR rather than a fuzzy, altered reality in mirrorless. Lastly, if you buy a DSLR you can get a great range of 2nd hand lenses these days at very good prices.
learning on a DSLR is the way to go in my opinion.
And analogy I use often is like learning to drive on an automatic car vs a manual transmission car. The DSLR will not hold your hand. It can do auto exposure, but you still need to be mindful of your light meter, your exposure correction, the metering type you're using. It also doesn't hold your hand when it comes to autofocus. Yes DSLR have tracking focus modes when they are recent or highly specced enough, but you still decide where to put your tracking / focus point. In a way, you do the subject recognition and tracking yourself. On some older models, the lower dynamic range and lower high ISO noise performance means that it's less forgiving when you're processing the images in post and you need to be more careful about your exposure.
All of that is largely gone on most moredn mirrorless cameras. You have live exposure, so you just adjust the picture until it looks great. You have subject recognition features that will automatically see an eye, a face, a car, a bird,... and you don;t have anything else to do except keeping those in the frame and press the shutter. When it comest to the exposure, not only do you have a "what you see is what you get" view in the viewfinder and the screen, but you also have (generally) higher dynamic range and better high ISO noise performance so that mean that it's a lot more forgiving in post. You could mess up your exposure by 2 stops and still be able to completely recover your file and not loose any detail (of course that is also a thing with some DSLRs, as the mentionned Nikon D800 (and most full frame Nikons now that I think about it), but it wasn't really the case for Canon DSLRs, especially with APS-C models).
I learned photography on a DSLR camera. I am now shooting with a Nikon Z6, and I am of course I love the convinience of the eye tracking, live exposure view and overall better autofocus and DR than what I was getting with my DSLRs. But at the same time, that DSLR training allowed me to be able to use professionally cameras like the X-T2 and the X-H1 for sport and action for more than 2 years without any issues, despite the autofocus system being really lacking compared to other mirrorless stuff, especially on the subject detection features (there's basically none). That DSLR training also comes handy when using my Z6, in case of emergency I can always switch back to a classic zone focus mode and get perfectly fine results with it, if somehow the camera can't see the subject, I can.
And in my opinion, getting handy around all camera systems is a huge benefit even in the age of mirrorless cameras. On top of that that also allows to use cheaper equipment while getting the same results.
Positives all around
Nikon D700 used, 7 out of 10, low shutter count can be had for $400 or less. Then you can pickup a sigma 35mm 1.4 Art for $300 maybe a 85mm 1.8g for $300. You have a event or wedding starter FX setup for $1k. Throw in a few CF cards a decent camera bag to carry it all around, you are still $1200 in and a killer setup for being a savvy buyer.
Ok so you don't like the D700 because 12MP feels like not enough, well the Nikon D800 used is going for around $500 in 8 out of 10 condition again low shutter count. So we are still around the $1200 mark for a 36MP FX pro level camera and two fast primes.
For a beginner there couldn't be a better time to grab a good used pro level DSLR and a few fast primes and start making some amazing photos. Mirrorless is great, but you don't have to go $4k into this hobby to get a great setup.
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Picked up a 5dsr dirt cheap to live behind some ef tse glass…total steal for a great screwdriver.
I want ro get into video but my Canon Eos4000D just doesn!t cut it... so in this sense tje camera does kind off matter